Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Gitmo Detainees

[1Waddup]

devil islam

[flashoftruth]

@1Waddup

yeah, "islam" is the "devil". a president got elected promising to close this house of horrors...& yet it still remains. who gives a rat's ass if some in there are terrorists anymore? the fact that many are just kids & many, MANY are there that are 'guilty' of nothing more than being muslim, & you are calling them the "devil"? tell me, would you throw a grenade into a classroom of children to kill one terrorist? the true 'devil' is religion in general, hypocrites, & men in suits.

[juv0022]

@1Waddup FUCK U JUST BECAUSE 1 OUT OF MAYBE 50000 BOMB SHIT MEANS ALL OF THEM DO YOU DUM ASS FUCK O SHIT 1 WHITE FAT ASS BOY O LOOK THAT MEANS THEY ARE ALL FAT FUCKS U ASS FUCK

[1Waddup]

@juv0022 pls get sum education, u dont even have a lifestyle with ur filthy language

[937irish]

Look at my privious comment and you will see that i already said that so that is why i didnt repeat it a second time. I figured you would read before you shot off your mouth,i was wrong. See how they like being locked up for all but an hour a day for the rest of their lives. But wait ,they arent closing Gitmo after all. Ha ha ha. You libs got shut down didnt ya.The govt saw through all your crap.Good day dummy

[937irish]

I know i wouldnt want to be in a max u.s. prison would you?,but you clowns sent them there to die. I couldnt be happier. You stupid libs get what you want instead what is best. They was in sunny cuba under the scrutiny of all the press and now they go to a dundgeon to be murdered by the aryan gangs. See how well they blend in and lay low as not to get slaughtered. Good day shitbags

[937irish]

Well gitmo is being closed and you have nothing more to worry about..except for the well being of the detainees when they hit general population. They are taken away from their fellow terrorists and place into a hellhole with killers who have no chance of getting out and qualms about killing as many of them as they can. If they are placed in protective custody,have fun being locked down 23 hrs a day . Waterboarding will sound like heaven to them after 1 week. you fools got what you wanted.

[sjvietboy408]

the elitists planned the 911th attacks, which resulted in over 3000 American deaths. Americans were fooled into thinking that Muslims were responsible which later resulted in 2 wars that have costs thousands of additional American lives (US Soldiers), and millions of innocent Afghan and Iraqis lives. And now they are putting the blames on the detainees in which they forced them to give false confession through torturing methods. Time to kill some illuminati NWO scums, who's with me?

[chibangin007]

9/11 was an inside job!

[chibangin007]

these detainees are innocent. they should be given a fair trial! 9/11 was an inside job. these people are stupid for confessing to a crime they had nothing to do with.

[sjvietboy408]

They were all tortured into false-confession. There was a detainee that got water-boarded 83 times, and there was another guy that got water-boarded 183 times. The US is torturing innocent alleged suspects of 911 attacks randomly hoping at least one of them couldn't take it anymore and decided to falsely confess that he is the mastermind of 911 "terror attacks". I thought Osama Bin Laden was the mastermind that plotted the 911 attacks???? 911 was an inside job!!

[tatoforever]

The sep 11th attacks was completely done by US gouv. This has nothing to do with Ben Laden or Islamic terrorism. This is US gouv terrorism.

The press made a nice covert on 11th 2001 attacks.

For god sake people, open your eyes and look for real answers!!!

[sugarpuddin88]

Gitmo = no habeas corpus & many died during torture

New book by Former Gitmo Sec Off writes that our torturing at Gitmo is not only a heinous & useless abomination; it is in fact the direct cause of the deaths of over 3000 US Soldiers!

Why is there torture by Americans?

Likely these abominations of war & torture are merely an extension of the typical Americans brutal mind; a mind corrupted by a pathological disassociation of compassion that is inherent to the corporate working stiff

[pcyr123456]

Buddy ther isn't any tourture going on, thats just what those human rights people want you to belive. Tourture = painful interrogation. Ask Andy McNab What tourture is he will Tell you there is alot of kicking punching ect. Sleep Deprivation is not torture its SOP for interrogations Law enforcment uses it. If any member was harmed by these crazies I would want the person to spill his or her guts of all of the intel that they have in there brains so Spec ops can do ther thing and take action.

[redfarts]

Why don't some of you liberals take these throat slitting bastards home to live with you and your families, since you love them so much?

[worldgruven]

Are you one of those blind Nationalist Bush followers that is still sucking on that "special" pudding?

[rollen01]

even though he sounds ignorant the way he presented himself, but if i were in jail for that long i would be mustering up a lot of hatred towards the country and try to get pay back. I would rather these guys stay in jail or atleast on 24/7 watch because no one would accept an apology for what they did to them.

[ClassicFIHD]

Did Obama just say he wants Bin Laden tried in the UC Courts?

[Minionuup]

We just have to wait for all of these baby-boomer commie scumbags to expire. The 60's hasn't died yet, but its getting very weezy.

[KARStarla]

Thank YOU supreme court!

[BitterSweetCracker]

We want energy independence! The candidate who comes out and says, "Look, I am going to solve the gas crisis my first day in office. We're going to drill in Alaska, off our coasts, develop nuclear power plants, and build smaller, more fuel-efficient cars." The economy will sky rocket! THAT'S what people want. DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW!

[lSeKToRl]

@BitterSweetCracker You do know Halliburton pretty much runs congress.

[BitterSweetCracker]

Sometimes I think the welfare riders have the right idea. I'm not a spring chicken; I ache all over. Maybe I should just quit my two jobs & live off the government for a while. God knows I've paid into the tax system. Medicaid & Food Stamps here I come!

[redfarts]

I agree with John McCain, this was the worse decision in US history. To give constitutional rights to enemy combatants? Even a shit for brains like shaire99 has to know that's wrong. These bastards were taken from the battle field where they were trying to kill American soldiers. Fuck em and feed them PORK and beans!

[BitterSweetCracker]

redfarts, "they were trying to kill American soldiers." Exacto! Why can't some of ya'll get that?

[Andrew5544]

They were NOT trying to kill American soldiers, the pentagon has made the pretty damn clear. Maybe you should read their briefs.

[redfarts]

andrew5544 please stay out of other men's briefs. I guess you are one of those fags that think the United States government is evil and we just go around locking people up for no reason. I think Canada likes gays - move north!

[Andrew5544]

There is nothing wrong with the U.S. government. I problem lies in the eclipse by business over society. John Dewey wrote an excellent book on the topic, enjoy.

[RubiconJohn]

your whole country is full of morons produced by years of propaganda and social programming. if afghans invaded your neighbourhood would you not stand and fight? or would be a bitch hiding in the basement? fuck, ignorants like you are why the usa will continue to be the most disrespected country on the planet. now that youve read my comment, why dont you go decal an eagle on the rear window of your car to show your "support" for your troops before you go to the local highschool football game.

[lgday]

do you make a habit of making nonsensical rantings?

[Minionuup]

Maybe you should read it since you have no fucking clue what you are typing.

[billheartyface]

crackers are so afraid of the law, aren't they?...it exposes so easily all the lies that their b.s. christian/ military values were based on. keep that gun, buddy...it's the only friend you have left.

[BitterSweetCracker]

bill, I'm not a buddy, I'm a lady. Please be a gentlemen in return. :)

[billheartyface]

well...i've got plenty of buddy-ladies. and Bush IS responsible for the war. And drilling in Alaska? How much more eco-damage can we stand?

[dixiechyc]

This ruling is the most idiot decision lately by the Supreme Court. I AM SO PISSED! I've been paying taxes in this country for 40 years! And now OUR tax dollars are now going to fund these Muslim radicals to be able to have attornies & use our judicial system. This is ludicrous! Why didn't they ask me first?! I would've said, "NO! If you're going to steal my money, at least give it to the VICTIMS families of the 3,000 INNOCENT people killed at the WT Ctrs. Or to the thousands of maimed soldiers.

[worldgruven]

dixiecchyc,

YOU are a good example of why the drafters of the constitution created the system we have. The court's duty at times is to protect the minority from the majority and to keep FEAR based policies & legal short cuts out of the laws of the land.

Your thinking is short sighted.

[Minionuup]

You are a good example of how long it takes shit to harden.  35 years in your case.

[shaire99]

dixie,

I'm not at all sure you understand the basic precepts of the constitution. Most of these people have been charged with NOTHING whatsoever and denied any representation PERIOD. We already know there have been several erroneous incarcerations at Guano.

This very notion is anti-American from the word go. You only have to imagine yourself being jailed w/out representation or even charges in a foreign country.

[BitterSweetCracker]

shaire99, "I'm not at all sure you understand the basic precepts of the constitution." What I understand is that I, as a U.S. taxpaying citizen am tired of working my fingers to the bone with TWO jobs (yes, I have a college education), living in a mobile home, driving an old car & can barely make ends meet. I AM tired of politics as usual. However, Obama is not the answer - he's just gonna tax everybody to death (MORE taxes to help criminals, detainees, etc). I'm not a whiner, just TIRED.

[oroweight]

I am with you! I am tire also of all the

crap about B.Husein Obama. We will need more

jobs to pay for his programs. This is Communism.

Mc Cain is no good neither. We have no choices.

The court system is full of socialist also.

We Americans must take our nation back.

[billheartyface]

yes...lets take back america and give it to it's rightful owners...sheep like you and the corporations.

[BitterSweetCracker]

orowright, "We Americans must take our nation back." The question is, how do we do that? I honestly believe that John McCain is different than Bush. Besides, Bush does not hold sole responsibility for the condition of our country. He is the president, yes, but we also have a Congress & a Supreme Court that are not listening to the will of the people. The will of the people is to DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW!

[shaire99]

bitter, It is precisely people in your position that are overlooked and exploited by the Repube agenda. You are farrr to poor to be of interest to them, except for a vote.

Do you think it is even remotely possible to screw things up worse than what you've seen over the past 8 years?

foreclosures at all time high

deficit and debt at all time high

endless war AGAINST THE WRONG COUNTRY

Deprive YOUR kids of healthcare

dollar at all time low over 70 yrs

A sensible and concerned Obama IS correct.

[Minionuup]

Typical lawyer comment.

Get back in the kitchen Shannon.

[Joelomite]

LandoftheBrave01:

Have you any idea how Al-Qaeda tortures THEIR captives??? They use hot irons, gasoline, pliers, hammers and meat cleavers....and they DON'T GET FLAK FOR IT!! Do you remember when US Marines were punished for their torturing in Abu Ghraib? But you will ignore this and instead focus on what the USA does wrong. You seem to constantly apologize for the Islamic fundamentalists, ignoring their dirty deeds. without realizing they hate democracy and love death. Go move to Afghanistan.

[worldgruven]

Joelomite,

the problem with what you are saying is that you want a MODERN society to disregard the law.

The whole idea of a Modern civilized society is to uphold the law and maintain order. We expect this everyday from our LEO's and we should expect no less from our government at large. History has shown the moment we allow FEAR to control policy w/o any oversight by the courts it has always created a very messy situation with unavoidable social innocent damage. Trust the Courts, Justice works

[diverdan00]

At the ethos of those who cheer this decision is a deep ignorance of both the nature of the threat (and of the history of such threats) and of the utility of the methods used to combat such threats. Indeed they are also ignorant of the relative stature of American human rights practices and how they came to be.

[diverdan00]

All this has done is make life harder for intelligence assets. Instead of being transparent the executives who protect your right to rant on about human rights must now use offshore methods to preserve the ability to obtain life saving information. A little study in the global relativity of human rights could clear this in the minds of all but the most myopic, denial practicing ignoramus.

[Vikezupa]

Remember, some that were going to be tried on these tribunals are picked up on the battlefield. If they now have access to our federal courts and have the same protections as American citizens under the Constitution, what does this say to an American soldier who captures one of these terrorists on the battlefield and may still be being fired at in terms of collecting evidence, rights of the person that he's captured and all of these types of things?

[LandOfTheBrave01]

@Vikezupa

The problem is this. Bush has tried to characterized combatants picked up on the battle field as terrorist. Which is ridiculous if they are picked up on the battle field. They are conventionally referred to as POW's or prisoners of war. They are entitled to the rights of POW's as referred by the terms of the Geneva convention. However, Bush wants to torture them for some sadistic reason. So he labels them terrorist and brings them to Guantanamo. But has yet to convict anyone.

[LandOfTheBrave01]

@NOMUSCLE

Here you go. Enter this into the Youtube Search bar.

(Thermite used on WTC)

Just copy and paste it. Your search will come up with a video showing thermite dripping off the sides of the buildings, and also show you the 4 in thick center core beams cut at 45 degree angles.

Now if this shocks you or scares the shit out of you, don't worry. Millions of us out here already know the truth. Don't be afraid.

[Vikezupa]

Yeah, if Obama gets elected we'll have an inexperienced, done-nothing puppet who can't keep his own nose clean. He's got more criminals managing him than Bill Clinton.

Obama says he'll talk with our enemies but won't even talk to the General running the Iraq war. What a DA! Iran's president will have Barak Hussian over for lunch - literally.

[Funkbird]

your wrong but if you were right it would be infinitely better than that shitbag we have right now. Keep watching fox news, shopping at walmart, and driving your SUV. RON PAUL for President!

[worldgruven]

funkbird,

sorry but Ron Paul suspended his campaign today.

So you will need to find another NUT.

[Funkbird]

thats why I like him, you know like the saying"thats just crazy enough it might just work" everyone else is just feeding us those political one liners and telling us what we want to hear. I don't agree with a lot of what Paul believes but a least he is honest.

[LandOfTheBrave01]

@NOMUSCLE

Make sure you get back to me, once you have gathered some info. If I can enlighten one well intentioned American citizen, it will a damn good thing. So go forth on your journey NOMUSCLE. If it is truth you are searching for, well by golly I'll point you in the right direction. LOL!

Also Youtube search Jeffery King an engineer from MIT.

[xiola6969]

Bush response was he doesn't agree with the Supreme Court but will abide by what they have decided...New flash stupid ass bush if you don't we will throw your ass in prison. Obama 08 its over time o return to the good old Yankees that the world knows and loves, the neo-cons are getting there asses handed the election.

[Vikezupa]

Absolutely unbelieveable. kingcharlie is 100% correct. The (5) Supreme court jesters are products of old drugged out hippies from the 60's. This ruling is obviously the product of too much LSD. Never trust a hippy.

[chuggachuggawoowoo]

Absolutely. The 1960s assholes are now in positions of power. We now have a bunch of corrupt dope head douche bags running the country. They care more about making Bush look bad than they care about protecting the people of this country.

[worldgruven]

chugga,

no need to make Bush look bad, he does that all by himself.

Anyone dumb enough to still follow this Bullshit govt should keep drinking the special pudding.

This was and will be viewed historically as a good decision, because the Constitution won which means we all won from the Nationalist powers to be.

[chuggachuggawoowoo]

You're living in a dream world. Both parties are, and will continue to slowly take away your privacy and rights. If the world is still here in its present or similar form 10 or 20 years from now, your personal rights and privacy will be even less than they are now. It's just a matter of time. The political parties are different only in name. They have one purpose, which is to take and maintain power. Technology is only making it easier for them to do it. You mean nothing to either. Wake up.

[Minionuup]

yawn....

[Minionuup]

See what hippie parents will do to you? Oh and college?

[chuggachuggawoowoo]

What a stupid country. During wartime, known terrorists who are committed to the destruction of America, and some were even part of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washingtion DC that killed THOUSANDS, now have "rights" as if they were American citizens. I really believe the people responsible for this decision are enemies of America and are more interested in political gain than protecting the citizens of this country.

[LandOfTheBrave01]

@chuggachuggawoowoo

Please name one detainee at Guantanamo that has been convicted of anything. Please name one detainee at Guantanamo that has evidence against them that implicate them for the attacks on 9/11.

I really believe you are the enemy of America and perhaps participated in the crimes of 9/11. Were you one of the guys who planted the explosives? Were you the one who placed thermite onto the center structure at a 45 degree angle? Is that you? You son of a bitch!

[geargemartin]

another truther wacko.

[NCOMUSCLE]

LandOfTheBrave01--are you insane? Please give ME one scintilla of proof for your lunatic ravings about planted explosives. Get back on your meds.

[LandOfTheBrave01]

@NOMUSCLE

Actually, I wish I was insane. That would explain the past 8 years. However in regards to proof, please refer to the Physics from Brigham Young University, named

Professor Steven Jones. There are also clips on Youtube which show the thermite dripping from the side of the buildings before collapse. Also there is a pic of the center cores cut at 45 degree angles.

Youtube search for Professor Steven Jones. Or perhaps a Google Search. Either way, you will find the info.

[NCOMUSCLE]

Polish up yr crescent and swastikas and let the rest of us fight this war. You probably deny the holocaust too.

[chuggachuggawoowoo]

ha ha ha...more proof that this country is doomed. It's split into two, and BOTH sides are lunatic fanatics. The Bush haters would rather hurt him more than they care about protecting US citizens.

[maxx1000]

Chugga, Name ONE redeeming quality to TORTURE. Name ONE redeeming quality to LYING. Name ONE redeeming quality to FRAUD. Name ONE redeeming quality to MURDER. Name ONE redeeming quality, JUST ONE to any of this... R E M E M B E R: THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS... And so THEY(sic) legislated away our FREEDOMS. (MCA of 2006/R.I.P. Habeas Corpus Rights) ANY person, foreign OR domestic, is subjugated to this act, now overruled by the SCOTUS. This means you're Rights too!

[LandOfTheBrave01]

@Supreme Court

Also, if the Bush Administration tries to threaten you with retaliation, just tell Nancy Pelosi to allow them to be removed from office. Don't accept any bribes or fishing trips from the Bush Administration. No money or gifts. Hang up the phone, and call Nancy Pelosi. She is waiting for your phone call! There is enough evidence established to convict all of them for very high crimes, and outrageous misdemeanors. Just make the phone call, lets get the ball rolling!

[hiwaymanx]

Wasn't it the Bush Leaguer who called the Constitution and "Goddamned piece of paper", even though it was written on parchment. Funny how a jackass was entrusted to uphold the principles of a document he can't even read, let alone comprehend.

[LandOfTheBrave01]

@Supreme Court

Nice job guys! You guys do not have to ruin your lives and reputation along with the Bush Administration. You guys have an opportunity to be regarded as the greatest Supreme Court that ever existed. All you have to do is follow the Constitution. Sure you made a mistake in 2000. But you know what? Its never too late to get back on track, and uphold the Constitution. America will forgive you for 2000. Just follow the Constitution, thats all we ask. Ignore everything else!

[kingcharliemain]

Liberal Socialism the death of the western world. We are paying the price for all of those old Marxist dinosaurs from the 60,s that flooded into the education system and fed their poison to their students.

[kingcharliemain]

Terrorist will no longer fear the U.S.A. Why should they. They use Blow torches, drills and meat clevers on U.S. soldiers. Now they must be treated as honoured guests if captured. Will U.S. virgins be provided?

The a.c.l.u. "Al Caete liberation Union", Democrates and other assorted liberal pussey's must be happy. Horrible news for America great news for liberal Democrates. The U.S.A. a country that will be able to defend itself no more. Obama,Osama and Jane Fonda must be dancing in the streets.

[GeorgeWashingtonX]

the JOB of the Supreme court is to interpret how the Constitution applies to US citizens.. these prisoners are not US citizens, therefore the Constitution (and the privilege it extends) does not apply to them.. what's f*cked up (in my mind) about this decision is that the current Supreme Court believes they have power now, over everyone in the world?.. I hope at some point we'll return to the Founding Fathers belief in a Constitution for Americans, we're not the Court of the World ~

[worldgruven]

GeorgeWashingtonX,

sorry but you are WRONG, the Constitution actually serves all citizen or not. The constitution deals with govt. actions.

Read the Constitution you won't find a US Citizen requirement anywhere.

This is also a ruling that Congress can not restrict the court from its fundamental in nature.

[GeorgeWashingtonX]

hi... here ya' go brother..

US Constitution Preamble: "We THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES...secure the Blessings of Liberty to OURSELVES"

"Ourselves" implies the People of the United States exclusively.. if the US Constitution applied to everyone, the language would have read "secure the blessings of Liberty to everyone"...

peace.

[maxx1000]

Yo Geaorge,

Cite where in the Constitution it specifies "Americans" only. Because each time I read it, it tells me "The People".

[GeorgeWashingtonX]

Maxx, hi... here ya' go brother..

US Constitution Preamble: "We the People OF THE UNITED STATES...secure the Blessings of Liberty to OURSELVES"

"Ourselves" implies the People of the United States exclusively.. if it applied to everyone, the language would have read "secure the blessings of Liberty to everyone"...

[Minionuup]

Yeah, the people of the united states you dumb bastard.

[geargemartin]

these terrorist now are going to benefit from the very system they want to destroy.

[TECHKLEC]

I thought this was a considered a conservative court?

[geargemartin]

the decision was split 5/4. kennedy though republican is more of a moderate. he often acts as a swing vote.

[TECHKLEC]

Thanks for the clarification. Well, that's just great...why don't we just release all these poor, innocent boys and fly them back to their homelands so they can pick up where they left off?

[worldgruven]

geargemartin,

GOOD.

Next step: Release the innocent that are falsely at Gitmo because of the illegal kidnapping policy of rendition.

Then: Arrest BUSH and charge him with War Crimes.

[geargemartin]

who  at gitmo has been falsely accused? and what war crimes has bush been accused of?

[worldgruven]

geargemartin,

with out having a fair trial that question would be hard to answer.

One example was of a German Citizen who got kidnapped by Pakistan, sold to the US, tortured in Afiganistan, then found NOT to have any terror ties, then shipped still to Gitmo, remained there for 3-years until a US Law Professor and the German Chancellor got him out.

Check 60-minutes for the story the aired several weeks ago.

[geargemartin]

yes that is a sad case. fortunately he was released and now the matter is being investigated by the senate armed forces committee.

[maxx1000]

America, the beacon of Justice, should NEVER sheild that Justice from ANYONE. Anything otherwise IS UNAMERICAN in both principle and theory. How can one parade themselves as being FOR Justice yet sheild real Justice from the "ACCUSED".

NONE of these prisoners hve been found guilty... or not.

.

[geargemartin]

i won't argue with that. these judges are alot smarter than i am. i just personally find it ironic that those terrorist should enjoy the benefits of a government they wish to destroy.

[maxx1000]

gear,

Why should they NOT enjoy their day in court?

Why should they NOT benefit from Justice?

Why should they NOT be treated humanly?

Why should they NOT be presumed innocent?

You're off calling them TERRORISTS as if presuming their guilt before their trial. In fact, many of these people you're collectively calling "TERRORISTS" may soon enough, NOT be found guilty...

The irony isn't in the deliverance of the Justice system, it's the American's gullibility to believe LIES their feed.

[maxx1000]

gear,

HOW IS THE CONSTITUTION WRONG?

[geargemartin]

only the most liberal interpretation could this decision be considered constitutional. in the history of america never has an non-citizen been granted the right of habeas corpus while on foreign soil.

[jeremy22227]

Are you calling Guantanamo foreign soil? It's OUR army base.

Give them POW status or give them Habeas Corpus. The vast majority of people held at Guantanamo have nothing to do with the terrorists. And it's wrong to hold people indefinitely without letting them know why they are being held.

It's a right that goes back hundreds of years before our country existed. And it's worth quite a few American lives. I certainly don't think it will lead to the destruction of our country.

[geargemartin]

guantanamo is foreign soil. just as all our overseas military bases are on foreign soils. there is no constitutional right for non-citizens on foreign soil to receive habeas corpus and there's nothing in english common law that does either. the supreme court, in this decision, "invented" new law, never before practiced.

[jeremy22227]

It's foreign soil that's unilaterally controlled by the United States.

And I can't believe that you don't see the problem with this. What if someone from another country came here and then captured you and took you away and held you off-sea on their base and didn't give you the rights offered to either a)combatants or b)civilians?

That's a problem.

[geargemartin]

american overseas military bases are on foreign soil. research it yourself. and at the risk of repeating myself. the right of habeas corpus has never been applied to a non-citizen on foreign soil. as to you hypothetical question. if i were under the authority of a foreign nation. i would be out of reach of american jurisprudence. rather i would only be afforded whatever rights said nation provides.

[jeremy22227]

But if you were forcefully taken from your country to another country you would fall under the Geneva convention. You would.

[lgday]

jeremy22227: no you wouldn't. the geneva convention only applies to POW's of legitimate nations and then only to the signatories of that convention. a prisoner i am bound only by the laws of whatever nation that incarcerated me.

[geargemartin]

lgday: i couldn't have said it better myself.

[jeremy22227]

Not true. The Fourth Geneva Convention is all about protecting civilians during a time of war.

Not that wikipedia is the end all be all but:

The Fourth Geneva Convention (or GCIV) relates to the protection of civilians during times of war "in the hands" of an enemy and under any occupation by a foreign power.

[lgday]

that refers only to citizens in occupied lands. not to individuals in custody in a foreign nation.

[worldgruven]

geargemartin,

using foreign soil in this issue is a sticky subject, because its a bit of a legal grey area. Gitmo is a US base and its location is not authorized by Cuba, but rather received via conflict, so its a territory or occupation. Either way if a child is born on a US base its considered still US soil. A US embassy is considered US soil. So the question then becomes is it US soil for a foreign prisoner held by a US official paid for by US tax dollars. The court held in the affirmative.

[geargemartin]

a legitimate argument. gitmo was aquired as a base by treaty with the pre castro government. but that doesn't negate the fact. as i stated over and over again. that the right of habeas corpus has never been applied to a non-citizen on foriegn soil. this includes foreign U.S. military bases. this is new law without any precedent.

[worldgruven]

geargemartin,

this is not a law its a ruling by the court of how the Constitution applies here.

And its still a FUZZY area of the law to try and say that Gitmo is outside of the Constitution and outside of the Geneva Convention.

Fuzzy lines historically have always come back with very negative consequences.

Gitmo & Military Tribunals are NOT necessary. The Federal Court System is very capable in handling these types of cases.

This Bush policy was trying to take a short cut nothing more.

[geargemartin]

a supreme court decision is indeed law. it does circumvent the legislative process but it is law nevertheless. it is also debatable whether the geneva convention applies in these cases. and i like to remind you this preccedent nullifies an agreement between bush and congress that allowed tribunals of the "detainees". so now a quick resolution of this dilemma is threatened.

[worldgruven]

geargemartin,

its not law, but whatever.

The mistake the Bush Admin. & the GOP Congress did here was trying to create a quick fix outside of the law.

What should have been done & will probaly occur from this ruling is incorporating these types of suspects into the Federal Criminal Law & to create the proper Crim. Proc.

By doing this it only legitimizes our actions more & creates a fair process that protects those that may have been falsely accused.

We need a longterm solution NOT a quick fix.

[geargemartin]

if it smells like a law and walks like a law and quacks like a law, it's a law. as to rest of your comment. you may be correct. i hope so. but if you're not the consequences could be dangerous.

[worldgruven]

geargemartin,

why dangerous?

Giving a branch of government too much power without checks & balances is far more dangerous.

[geargemartin]

worlgruven: you're intelligent and well informed. i shouldn't have to tell you the possible ramifications of this ruling.

[worldgruven]

geargemartin,

there are no guarantees in life and neither are there in law.

The war on terror is flawed, because you can't fight a war against an unknown enemy. Same flaw that has plagued the war of drugs.

War and military actions are only successful with specific enemies.

Terrorism will never end, it has always existed and will always exist.

The way you REDUCE terrorism is too truly change the perceptions the world has and to create real security not the joke we have today (ex. TSA).

[geargemartin]

i refer to my second to the last comment.

[maxx1000]

US law clearly states that ANY US base IS considered US soil, even if it is in a foreign land...

Why keep proving that one can not remove teh stupid...?

[geargemartin]

foreign bases are considered U.S. soil when there is an offence on that base and the offence is committed by a american citizen. if the offence is committed by a non-citizen in the employ of the military while on base the domestic laws of the host country applies.

[geargemartin]

whatever. and OJ was innocent too.

[maxx1000]

COWARD!

[geargemartin]

that was a rather immature comment.

[karinablack]

We're going to owe so much in reparations to the innocents we've sent over :(

6 years!!!!!! Without hearings or trials!!