Cool stuff. And with the touchpads/touchscreens/"wii-controllers" that we have nowadays, even navigating such complex structures should be quite easy.
Dude, he worked on this for 60 years! I've had the same ideas just by-the-way thinking about such stuff. I hope he has loads more, because if not, he wasted his life on an ego trip. God, don't let me do that.
This has interesting "futential" (that's future plus potential), but development may be hampered by a collective mindset of Fear-Activated, Progression-ORiented WARinEss (we call this "faporware") and ultimately could find itself user-less (or, "useless"). :-O (that's :-( plus :-))
Seems perfectly logical, however the issue is going to still be the same as it always has been.
Which is navigating a multi-dimentianal space in 2D.
Once you start to follow the links beyond the first few tens of pages, you will be in a situation of information overload,
Ultimately no matter what you do, such systems are doomed to failure, because currently they all rely on the paper paradigm (Video screen, hand eye co-ordination, overlaying etc)
I think Ted Nelson tends over complicate this idea with his vocabulary, but I don't think this is intentional. I like the fact that through this system the roots of media are retained despite being used in several different contexts. This is an idea that Google+ has integrated whenever a person reposts an item on their stream. I agree with Ted, we should retain the roots to information, otherwise, these roots and their history will be lost forever.
@jdkforchrist revolutionary concepts are always hard to push through, its the very nature of humankind to fear the new ant cling to the already trusted and known. isn't that omnipresent? politics, religion, notion of nourishment... the majority likes to stick with their four wall prision it seems... i feel like he's trying to use pretty common language so it's understandable, he jost throws in some precise words. when developers talk to each other it's far worse :-)
Great, but I doubt the majority of today's "Reality TV crowd" (90% of anyone under age 35 and a good number above) is even remotely intelligent enough to understand the concept. of Xspace or ZZ...I bet the first thing they ask is "How will this affect Facebook and texting while I drive?"
Part of the problem we’re having is the implementation is so bad, and the explanation of the benefits, that we really can't usefully judge the utility of the idea, were it implemented competently.
I have a hard time thinking up situations where this would solve any important problem.
Looks like a mess. I kind of feel sorry for the guy. He's been tilting at windmills for 47 years he said? When I'm reading a Wikipedia page on a subject I'm somewhat familiar with, I don't need to click on all the links to sub-pages. I don't need to see big source sections in the document. I want something that has the sources abstracted out into links to those sources (just like the way it works now). Sorry, I just don't want what he's selling.
I like this guy and I like his idea. To make all you haters like it, all Nelson et al. needs to do is to whip up an Apple Time Machine kind of interface and the media would be all over it.
Movies that "branch and branch and branch forever"? No thank you. Movies (like books) have a beginning, a middle, and an end- FOR A REASON. That's the way we think. I don't want infinite choices and paths. It sounds good at first (well, to some people), but the *reality* is much less palatable.
@mikefromwa: Uh, we don't think linearly. It is easier to understand other people's thoughts when delivered in a semi-linear fashion but even then we often want to skip certain sections and possibly get more depth in others.
@locketine: Actually, much of our thinking *is* done linearly, which is why nearly all instructional materials are presented in "Step 1, Step 2, Step x..." fashion. Branching is good, but there's a reason why interfaces like Xanadu Space haven't caught on- most people don't process information in that kind of paradigm. If someone wants to use a Xanadu interface, that's fine, but most people really prefer a more linearly structured format.
@mikefromwa: I think the reason why instructional materials are linear is because you can't accomplish a task non-linearly. Many people would love it if they could though.
"1. Steal underpants, 2. ???, 3. PROFIT!" -Under pants Gnomes business model on South Park.
I definitely don't process things linearly but I'm a programmer so maybe that's just something I've trained myself to do?
@locketine: I'd guess that most (but not all) thinking is done in a fuzzy but still linear way. Like you, I'm a programmer and much of what I code *has* to be done linearly (processing the results from a previous operation, for example). People can multitask, but when examined closely it's still doing one thing at a time, even though many processes (tasks) may be underway at once. We can't *really* make a sandwich and do laundry at the same time, we just switch back and forth between the tasks.
@mikefromwa: I think you're confusing tasks with thoughts. These things are separate but related. While you're coding a linear function aren't you thinking about how it will impact other code in your application, what result you want, other ways to code it, external dependencies, etc. Code is usually linear but coding most definitely is not. While you do the laundry or make a sandwhich I'll bet your mind wonders about other things. Maybe about some past experience that's somehow related.
@locketine: I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree. I just don't think the Xanadu model translates well into real-world activity. If people prefer that kind of interface or work-flow model then they're welcome to have at it. I personally don't find it compelling, but maybe that's just me. My guess is that it'll never gain any real traction among users. Time will tell.
@mikefromwa: I don't like his interface but I do very much like the concept. What I find puzzling is that this paradigm could be implemented using current web standards so why did he make this new program with an interface that's entirely foreign to us.
I don't think Xanadu will catch on but everything he demonstrated will eventually make it into browsers and websites, but at a much slower pace than Mr. Nelson is comfortable with.
This youtube page itself is a good candidate - and Google, search engines, bots, crawlers, and dynamic web pages all do parts of these things. Google wave did more than just linked documents - but people just could not figure out the super ease of the power tool that Google Wave was. Xanadu would risk a similar fate - awesome , but tiresome for people to use daily. Facebook updates is the standard attention span and linear is the habit made by written word itself.
I'm not sure how many of the complex words are necessary here, but I really like the concept. It needs to be integrated with a distributed revision control system like git; I imagine a document where you can trace back sections as with the "blame" function, or choose to pull updates from the sources; probably coupled with a DHT style map to find how a source has been further developed by others. We'll still need to render down to simpler formats for things like streaming or compilers. Thanks!
@grable0: "This is how the web should have been! all the haters just dont understand it."
I don't hate it- I just don't want it. Like salmon-flavored ice cream...if you want it, great. Feel free, have at it, etc etc etc. But I don't want it. That's my choice, and it's not based on "hate".
Stupidest thing I've seen in ages. Thanks for linking me here Slashdot!
I'd love a bloated weirdly formatted application, which requires me to download more than I necessarily want to, while providing an interface which seems more like a game, and less about communicating the information.
I'd also love to develop for this shitty format, which would require me to do a LOT more work, unless it somehow generates all the extra "flinks".
Interesting ideas, but hopelessly convoluted. “Sworph?” Seriously? Inventing such terms to describe seems like a sure sign of something seriously messed up with one’s approach.
Can this be done in a simple, understandable (i.e. NOT gimmicky 3D!), cross-compatible (with ALL forms of media) way that solves the problems people identify with (has obvious use cases)? These should be the goals. If they are not achievable, the exercise is pointless, no matter what the putative theoretical advantages.
@greenliquidlight This wouldn't do shit. How would it render copyright enforcement trivial? Are these links automatically generated? If not, then why would it?
That's like saying "HREF tags make copyright enforcement trivial, because if they decide to link to you, and someone decides to browse that, then BAM! You've got 'em!"
@uriahsw um... go the other way. Out instead of in. If someone were to pirate data and scrub the links, they become original source and are easier to prosecute. If they don't scrub the links then they are a pass through and source can find where incoming references are coming through. It would show as data bottlenecks.
@greenliquidlight Yes... if source links are ubiquitous. Nice imposed condition there. I might as well say I'm a billionaire, if money is ubiquitous.
Hrmmm... seems you removed your original content.
Well, this entire idea is predicated on this information being available. Do you know how hard it is to know when two things are alike, programmatically? If you've got a good way to do this, you'll make more money at Google.
@greenliquidlight What you just said there, suggests to me that you think I'm a moron, and don't see how it would work, given the constraints of your idea.
In reality, you don't have that. Hell, I just searched for "Xanadu Space" and "Ted Nelson Xanadu Space" and there was so much content that I saw reproduced, and so many extra terms used, and guess what, almost NONE of it was linked. The ones which were, the link would be hard to infer.
For this to work, this data would need to be EVERYWHERE
@greenliquidlight When he mentioned video, music, and similar, it instantly reminded me of one particular artist. So, here's an exercise:
Search for Girl Talk - Feed the Animals - Music Video (3 of 14)
I just need you to, link to the artists official clip, and web page. Then LINK each of the individual sources, the sources sources, the source of the clip, and the source of the source of the clip. (Most of these works are very derivative)
@uriahsw What you are asking for is a simple spider browser with linked overlays projected onto layers. I did this already about a decade ago and it was awesome ( it did a bit-wise diff to save space). It ran well on my Palm m30. Since net connection at the time was still periodic, I ran the spider on my net-connected machine, synched it with my Palm, then away I went. To get around the space issues the spider depth was variable.
I'm temped to try rewriting it to work on my android phone.
@greenliquidlight Awesome. In which case, since this is such a simple task, and apparently one with a finite depth, then I guess you've already finished the Girl Talk exercise I asked. Where's the result? I can't wait!
You haven't? But I thought... Oh, you were imposing even more constraints now, and suggesting that this could be extrapolated out to the size of "the internet"?
Remember, processing a finite and small amount of shit, and putting it on your Palm, does not constitute proving this.
Ok, so he's finding commonality between documents and using a bit of 3D to link the common parts together. I'm sorry , but thats it after 47 years?? Jesus H....
Has he bothered asking himself whether people actually WANT to do that very often?
@boltar2003 Hey man, back off. I find accessing all my web pages as if they were FPS's, in a clumbsy navigation format, which cares more about how cool it looks, than delivering the content, to be the HAHAHAHAHA... LOL, Okay, sorry, couldn't keep a straight face.
I hear Id software is going to create a competitor to this, why not they already have an engine, now all they need is the opening a page next to another page technology. I think, given 50 years of research, they should be able to do it
very interesting! It really makes you realize what a revolution the computer was. Our thoughts themselves might be different if they followed different structures.
once there was a garden where people lived ..it was a beautiful garden and the people had every thing that wanted ..as long ago they created it but had fogotten ..anyway these people wanted more and built citys and discovered technology and the answers of the universe but on the way the garden was forgotten ,,,there was so many people and the had the answers to every thing ,,,and have every possible power ,,,they wanted more ..now they wanted somthing very special ..to get lost in a garden :)
This is good for Wikipedia type documentation, research work, historians, etc.
However, there is something to be said for limiting a document. A good book has a finite story, told in a convincing way as the writer chooses, hiding information where necessary as to reveal events timely and entertain the reader. Same with a movie. An essay/paper has to end, or the reader/writer's work would never end.
It's nice to see he got around to coding what he "meant" 40 years after the fact though...
Which other videos specifically? And still, I do think the difference is essentially aesthetic and/or so that authors can get royalties easier.....which may be ideal, but doesn't acknowledge that the nature of intellectual property has changed and will continue to change.
Interesting idea, but can someone tell me how this is actually any different than say, wikipedia or even youtube? To me it seems like representing the links "in 3-D" is just an aesthetic difference/improvement and not functionally or fundamentally any different than the way hyperlinks work in html.
Cool stuff. And with the touchpads/touchscreens/"wii-controllers" that we have nowadays, even navigating such complex structures should be quite easy.
GGShinobi77 1 month ago
the web was my child, it was born a retard
deamer44 1 month ago
would it be historical to point this out as B*llsh*t?
mrfmrf 2 months ago
swoop+morph = sworph
mrfmrf 2 months ago
quote: "If you fight the existing paradigm, its tough."
poetfravia 3 months ago
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poetfravia 3 months ago
I really hope that this guy goes down in history as a revolutionary...
The only current application I see now that makes sense is the history lines, like he said.
And possibly genealogy. Family trees don't always like 2D.
rjpope42 3 months ago
Dude, he worked on this for 60 years! I've had the same ideas just by-the-way thinking about such stuff. I hope he has loads more, because if not, he wasted his life on an ego trip. God, don't let me do that.
someman7 3 months ago
This has interesting "futential" (that's future plus potential), but development may be hampered by a collective mindset of Fear-Activated, Progression-ORiented WARinEss (we call this "faporware") and ultimately could find itself user-less (or, "useless"). :-O (that's :-( plus :-))
DoggoneNexus 4 months ago 3
Seems perfectly logical, however the issue is going to still be the same as it always has been.
Which is navigating a multi-dimentianal space in 2D.
Once you start to follow the links beyond the first few tens of pages, you will be in a situation of information overload,
Ultimately no matter what you do, such systems are doomed to failure, because currently they all rely on the paper paradigm (Video screen, hand eye co-ordination, overlaying etc)
hardcoreforensics 7 months ago
I think Ted Nelson tends over complicate this idea with his vocabulary, but I don't think this is intentional. I like the fact that through this system the roots of media are retained despite being used in several different contexts. This is an idea that Google+ has integrated whenever a person reposts an item on their stream. I agree with Ted, we should retain the roots to information, otherwise, these roots and their history will be lost forever.
jdkforchrist 7 months ago
@jdkforchrist revolutionary concepts are always hard to push through, its the very nature of humankind to fear the new ant cling to the already trusted and known. isn't that omnipresent? politics, religion, notion of nourishment... the majority likes to stick with their four wall prision it seems... i feel like he's trying to use pretty common language so it's understandable, he jost throws in some precise words. when developers talk to each other it's far worse :-)
bluegirlflying92 7 months ago
Great, but I doubt the majority of today's "Reality TV crowd" (90% of anyone under age 35 and a good number above) is even remotely intelligent enough to understand the concept. of Xspace or ZZ...I bet the first thing they ask is "How will this affect Facebook and texting while I drive?"
FaradayToRemember 8 months ago
Part of the problem we’re having is the implementation is so bad, and the explanation of the benefits, that we really can't usefully judge the utility of the idea, were it implemented competently.
I have a hard time thinking up situations where this would solve any important problem.
bennieee 10 months ago
very good! I would customize this system a little bit, but the basic principles would remain the same.
bocskai98 11 months ago
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Earth calling ted. Some generations have difficulties working with the web as is, with that xanadu they would quit and go back to paper books,
fragfoo 11 months ago
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Earth calling ted. Some generations have difficulties working with the web as is, with that xanadu they would quit and go back to paper books,
fragfoo 11 months ago
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Earth calling ted. Some generations have difficulties working with the web as is, with that xanadu they would quit and go back to paper books,
fragfoo 11 months ago
Earth calling ted. Some generations have difficulties working with the web as is, with that xanadu they would quit and go back to paper books,
fragfoo 11 months ago
Earth calling ted. Some generations have difficulties working with the web as is, with that xanadu they would quit and go back to paper books,
fragfoo 11 months ago
Looks like a mess. I kind of feel sorry for the guy. He's been tilting at windmills for 47 years he said? When I'm reading a Wikipedia page on a subject I'm somewhat familiar with, I don't need to click on all the links to sub-pages. I don't need to see big source sections in the document. I want something that has the sources abstracted out into links to those sources (just like the way it works now). Sorry, I just don't want what he's selling.
osgeek 11 months ago
I like this guy and I like his idea. To make all you haters like it, all Nelson et al. needs to do is to whip up an Apple Time Machine kind of interface and the media would be all over it.
Hypocrites.
thinc 11 months ago
Movies that "branch and branch and branch forever"? No thank you. Movies (like books) have a beginning, a middle, and an end- FOR A REASON. That's the way we think. I don't want infinite choices and paths. It sounds good at first (well, to some people), but the *reality* is much less palatable.
mikefromwa 11 months ago
@mikefromwa: Uh, we don't think linearly. It is easier to understand other people's thoughts when delivered in a semi-linear fashion but even then we often want to skip certain sections and possibly get more depth in others.
locketine 11 months ago
@locketine: Actually, much of our thinking *is* done linearly, which is why nearly all instructional materials are presented in "Step 1, Step 2, Step x..." fashion. Branching is good, but there's a reason why interfaces like Xanadu Space haven't caught on- most people don't process information in that kind of paradigm. If someone wants to use a Xanadu interface, that's fine, but most people really prefer a more linearly structured format.
mikefromwa 11 months ago
@mikefromwa: I think the reason why instructional materials are linear is because you can't accomplish a task non-linearly. Many people would love it if they could though.
"1. Steal underpants, 2. ???, 3. PROFIT!" -Under pants Gnomes business model on South Park.
I definitely don't process things linearly but I'm a programmer so maybe that's just something I've trained myself to do?
locketine 10 months ago
@locketine: I'd guess that most (but not all) thinking is done in a fuzzy but still linear way. Like you, I'm a programmer and much of what I code *has* to be done linearly (processing the results from a previous operation, for example). People can multitask, but when examined closely it's still doing one thing at a time, even though many processes (tasks) may be underway at once. We can't *really* make a sandwich and do laundry at the same time, we just switch back and forth between the tasks.
mikefromwa 10 months ago
@mikefromwa: I think you're confusing tasks with thoughts. These things are separate but related. While you're coding a linear function aren't you thinking about how it will impact other code in your application, what result you want, other ways to code it, external dependencies, etc. Code is usually linear but coding most definitely is not. While you do the laundry or make a sandwhich I'll bet your mind wonders about other things. Maybe about some past experience that's somehow related.
locketine 10 months ago
@locketine: I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree. I just don't think the Xanadu model translates well into real-world activity. If people prefer that kind of interface or work-flow model then they're welcome to have at it. I personally don't find it compelling, but maybe that's just me. My guess is that it'll never gain any real traction among users. Time will tell.
mikefromwa 10 months ago
@mikefromwa: I don't like his interface but I do very much like the concept. What I find puzzling is that this paradigm could be implemented using current web standards so why did he make this new program with an interface that's entirely foreign to us.
I don't think Xanadu will catch on but everything he demonstrated will eventually make it into browsers and websites, but at a much slower pace than Mr. Nelson is comfortable with.
locketine 10 months ago
"At last we can escape from the prison of paper." Like the room he's sitting in, for starters?
gregstumph 11 months ago
This youtube page itself is a good candidate - and Google, search engines, bots, crawlers, and dynamic web pages all do parts of these things. Google wave did more than just linked documents - but people just could not figure out the super ease of the power tool that Google Wave was. Xanadu would risk a similar fate - awesome , but tiresome for people to use daily. Facebook updates is the standard attention span and linear is the habit made by written word itself.
actsrv9 11 months ago
mind maps with embedded multimedia and linked nodes
actsrv9 11 months ago
I'm not sure how many of the complex words are necessary here, but I really like the concept. It needs to be integrated with a distributed revision control system like git; I imagine a document where you can trace back sections as with the "blame" function, or choose to pull updates from the sources; probably coupled with a DHT style map to find how a source has been further developed by others. We'll still need to render down to simpler formats for things like streaming or compilers. Thanks!
0LoneTech 11 months ago
This is how the web should have been! all the haters just dont understand it.
and to the ppl saying it looks like shit, that is an implementation issue, has nothing to do with the idea itself.
grable0 11 months ago
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@grable0: "This is how the web should have been! all the haters just dont understand it."
I don't hate it- I just don't want it. Like salmon-flavored ice cream...if you want it, great. Feel free, have at it, etc etc etc. But I don't want it. That's my choice, and it's not based on "hate".
mikefromwa 11 months ago 2
Stupidest thing I've seen in ages. Thanks for linking me here Slashdot!
I'd love a bloated weirdly formatted application, which requires me to download more than I necessarily want to, while providing an interface which seems more like a game, and less about communicating the information.
I'd also love to develop for this shitty format, which would require me to do a LOT more work, unless it somehow generates all the extra "flinks".
Stupidest thing ever. I'd never fund that turd.
uriahsw 11 months ago
Interesting ideas, but hopelessly convoluted. “Sworph?” Seriously? Inventing such terms to describe seems like a sure sign of something seriously messed up with one’s approach.
Can this be done in a simple, understandable (i.e. NOT gimmicky 3D!), cross-compatible (with ALL forms of media) way that solves the problems people identify with (has obvious use cases)? These should be the goals. If they are not achievable, the exercise is pointless, no matter what the putative theoretical advantages.
bennieee 11 months ago
@bennieee should have read "to describe simple actions..."
bennieee 11 months ago
This would render copyright enforcement Trivial. I'm amazed that publishing houses aren't jumping all over this.
greenliquidlight 11 months ago
@greenliquidlight This wouldn't do shit. How would it render copyright enforcement trivial? Are these links automatically generated? If not, then why would it?
That's like saying "HREF tags make copyright enforcement trivial, because if they decide to link to you, and someone decides to browse that, then BAM! You've got 'em!"
uriahsw 11 months ago
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greenliquidlight 11 months ago
@uriahsw um... go the other way. Out instead of in. If someone were to pirate data and scrub the links, they become original source and are easier to prosecute. If they don't scrub the links then they are a pass through and source can find where incoming references are coming through. It would show as data bottlenecks.
greenliquidlight 11 months ago
@greenliquidlight Yes... if source links are ubiquitous. Nice imposed condition there. I might as well say I'm a billionaire, if money is ubiquitous.
Hrmmm... seems you removed your original content.
Well, this entire idea is predicated on this information being available. Do you know how hard it is to know when two things are alike, programmatically? If you've got a good way to do this, you'll make more money at Google.
uriahsw 11 months ago
@greenliquidlight What you just said there, suggests to me that you think I'm a moron, and don't see how it would work, given the constraints of your idea.
In reality, you don't have that. Hell, I just searched for "Xanadu Space" and "Ted Nelson Xanadu Space" and there was so much content that I saw reproduced, and so many extra terms used, and guess what, almost NONE of it was linked. The ones which were, the link would be hard to infer.
For this to work, this data would need to be EVERYWHERE
uriahsw 11 months ago
@greenliquidlight When he mentioned video, music, and similar, it instantly reminded me of one particular artist. So, here's an exercise:
Search for Girl Talk - Feed the Animals - Music Video (3 of 14)
I just need you to, link to the artists official clip, and web page. Then LINK each of the individual sources, the sources sources, the source of the clip, and the source of the source of the clip. (Most of these works are very derivative)
All this information is available already.
uriahsw 11 months ago
@uriahsw What you are asking for is a simple spider browser with linked overlays projected onto layers. I did this already about a decade ago and it was awesome ( it did a bit-wise diff to save space). It ran well on my Palm m30. Since net connection at the time was still periodic, I ran the spider on my net-connected machine, synched it with my Palm, then away I went. To get around the space issues the spider depth was variable.
I'm temped to try rewriting it to work on my android phone.
greenliquidlight 11 months ago
@greenliquidlight Awesome. In which case, since this is such a simple task, and apparently one with a finite depth, then I guess you've already finished the Girl Talk exercise I asked. Where's the result? I can't wait!
You haven't? But I thought... Oh, you were imposing even more constraints now, and suggesting that this could be extrapolated out to the size of "the internet"?
Remember, processing a finite and small amount of shit, and putting it on your Palm, does not constitute proving this.
uriahsw 11 months ago
Ok, so he's finding commonality between documents and using a bit of 3D to link the common parts together. I'm sorry , but thats it after 47 years?? Jesus H....
Has he bothered asking himself whether people actually WANT to do that very often?
boltar2003 11 months ago
@boltar2003 Hey man, back off. I find accessing all my web pages as if they were FPS's, in a clumbsy navigation format, which cares more about how cool it looks, than delivering the content, to be the HAHAHAHAHA... LOL, Okay, sorry, couldn't keep a straight face.
I hear Id software is going to create a competitor to this, why not they already have an engine, now all they need is the opening a page next to another page technology. I think, given 50 years of research, they should be able to do it
uriahsw 11 months ago
The downloadable version doesn t work under WineQ and Ubuntu
Aaricia69 1 year ago
Insane! He has no idea about literature!
besideremoteshalott 1 year ago
I don't get it. The downloadable version doesn't seem to have any of these controls. I guess he has a more advance version.
spenceisadork 1 year ago
I wonder if he'd like InDesign. Not document limits in dimensions, and you can dynamically link with quick and easy updates to other documents.
matoro1989 1 year ago
Such a smart guy and laws did he have a lot of bad luck over the years.
Thanks for this post.
faunflynn 1 year ago
all flowers must grow
oliviamulgrew 1 year ago
very interesting! It really makes you realize what a revolution the computer was. Our thoughts themselves might be different if they followed different structures.
DreamingLARP 1 year ago
Sounds complicated, I'm not sure how it's supposed to actually fit into the Internet practically.
cyborgtroy 2 years ago
Brilliant, and just!
eebeelive 2 years ago
Swoop + morph. This is awesome.
Magnetohydrodynamics 2 years ago
The only Xanadu that I know about is some crappy movie starring Olivia Newton John.
notjustanotherface 2 years ago
Tedddddddddd Nelson. Nelson Nelson...Nelson Nelson.
notjustanotherface 2 years ago
Sorry for the Xanadu and MST3K references, folks, but I really have no idea what a Xanaduy space is, anyway.
notjustanotherface 2 years ago
once there was a garden where people lived ..it was a beautiful garden and the people had every thing that wanted ..as long ago they created it but had fogotten ..anyway these people wanted more and built citys and discovered technology and the answers of the universe but on the way the garden was forgotten ,,,there was so many people and the had the answers to every thing ,,,and have every possible power ,,,they wanted more ..now they wanted somthing very special ..to get lost in a garden :)
oliviamulgrew 2 years ago
This is good for Wikipedia type documentation, research work, historians, etc.
However, there is something to be said for limiting a document. A good book has a finite story, told in a convincing way as the writer chooses, hiding information where necessary as to reveal events timely and entertain the reader. Same with a movie. An essay/paper has to end, or the reader/writer's work would never end.
It's nice to see he got around to coding what he "meant" 40 years after the fact though...
baldingeagle666 3 years ago
Which other videos specifically? And still, I do think the difference is essentially aesthetic and/or so that authors can get royalties easier.....which may be ideal, but doesn't acknowledge that the nature of intellectual property has changed and will continue to change.
LaoTzuEyeDaMi 3 years ago
Interesting idea, but can someone tell me how this is actually any different than say, wikipedia or even youtube? To me it seems like representing the links "in 3-D" is just an aesthetic difference/improvement and not functionally or fundamentally any different than the way hyperlinks work in html.
LaoTzuEyeDaMi 3 years ago