@Mike2020able Visit you with what, Jihad bone smoke? You people are so full of shit. Islamic Jihad wants to kill us while you kiss Osama's peoples asses to go against the American and Israeli government. Fucking cult you people. You moved up 2012 to 2020? lol. Colleen is full of shit.
Furthermore, I don't believe the Pakistani ISI story. It looks like the US government released that info to lead people away from the truth. I look at independent photo evidence and I look at the lack of evidence. I am aware when the government tries to lead me in a new direction and bog me down with fake evidence, hoping I will waste my time on it. I don't trust a damn thing the US government says about 9/11.
This is a garbage interview. If this lady made it to the front page of Time, she is no whistleblower. She spends the entire interview trying to substantiate the official government version of 9/11 except that maybe the government should have picked up on a fake terror threat earlier. A real whistle blower would talk about Building Seven, the alleged crash site in Shanksville and the alleged crash site at the Pentagon. There is way too much physical evidence that refutes the government version.
I swear that M.I complex stooges are paid to make anti 911 truth postings on all these 911 vids. Maybe in their lunchbreaks, but maybe they go for walks, take a shit, have a smoke, or maybe even eat in their lunchbreaks, know what I mean? Youtube is a CIA front!! This is how theyre doing it!! Its the honey we're the bees!!! Its bait!! Its a trap!! AAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!! Boom!!!!!!
Sduderstadt refered to me being eighty sixed in a post shortly after I was tombstoned. ONLY A MODERATOR has this info.
At the very least he has a "special relationship" with the mods which of course is not really news to any of you posting on DUs 911 forum. Just wanted to let you know this info. It was fun sharing info with fellow truth advocates and I will hopefully see you on other forums. Democratic Underground is far from the open forum it likes to claim it is.
Sduderstand on democratic underground is really a moderator pretending to be a regular poster to control the debate on 911 in democratic underground. He is a lying fraud,
You're right! The 'official conspiracy theory' has become a religion among the bush impaired right wing. And there is not a scrap, a shred, a scintilla of admissible and/or credible evidence to support let alone prove it.
lennhart don't waste your time with HORSEY cuz he's an asshole who is trying to insult your intelligence and get under your skin like this ASSHOLE named " JonathonMoseley ' who's doing the same shit and spreading all the lies that they think we will believe!!
Bush KISS UPS have in fact, admitted that there was no wreckage when they came up with yet another LUDICROUS THEORY.
The fuselage of 77, they say, VAPORIZED. Clue: AL vaporizes at 11000 degrees F which NASA sez is 1000 degrees hotter than the surface of the sun.
Now --the SAME folk claim victims were DNA identified. But the denaturation ('melting point) of DNA varies but is almost always WELL under 500 degrees F.
So ---WHICH IS IT? Did the fuselage VAP? OR ---were the VICTIMS ID'd?
And I don't mean prove that they armed and supported Islamist elements through the ISI which are connected to al-Qaeda (this is true ... I mean, support your claim that al-Qaeda was a creation of the CIA in Afghanistan.
al-Qaeda was formed in Pakistan out of elements of MAK.
Wow. We're done. Considering the veritable army of Truthers hanging around YouTube pages, I really do not need to waste my time with you, who clearly has anger management issues and an inflated sense of importance.
As Truthers go, you do you do not even know your stuff. Pixarian at least sounded like he had a brain in his skull and could manage a post with hammering his meaty fists on his keyboard like a petulant imbecile.
You cannot even PUT the flight in the air that day and you want me to BELIEVE that they ID the hijackers whose names DO NOT show up on the ONLY ADMISSIBLE PIECE of evidence relating to the victims ???
OCCAM SAID: "Multiplicity ought not to be posited without necessity"
Nor is BUSH'S OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY the 'simplest'. In fact, the BUSH theory complicates things for the LIARS who profess to believe it. They have to keep going back to the drawing board to come up with SHIT that 'might' pull Bush's FAT out of a mass murder rap.
IF an airliner had crashed the PENT, two LARGE TITANIUM/STEEL ALLOW engine rotors would have been found.
Where are they?
SHOW ME THE ROTORS !!!
911 LIARS have never been able to explain HOW a 757 could crash into a bldg and leave 1) NO FUSELAGE
2) NO ROTORS traceable to an airliner of ANY sort.
3) EXPLAIN how Arab bodies were DNA id when there are NO ARAB NAMES on the ONLY OFFICIAL, ADMISSIBLE piece of evidence to have surfaced with regard to the Pentagon: THE OFFICIAL AUTOPSY REPORT!
1) You cannot confirm that it was not scheduled to fly and you possess no evidence that it did not fly. We do have missing passengers, plane debris, audio recordings, DNA evidence and hours of footage of those plans impacting the WTC from every conceivable angle.
2-4) There is wreckage. Google "moussaoui exhibits" and go to the Prosecution Trial Exhibits on the USCD Eastern District of Virginia page.
RE: "However there are some truthers out there that think 9/11 was allowed to happen at the hands of Bush to give us reason to attempt his "liberation" of the middle east. "
The OPPOSITE of 911 TRUTHER is 911 LIAR!
So, you self-confessed goddamned liar, if you think Bush's OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY is true PROVE IT.
Did you just learn this today? Why are you telling me?
"It was a creation of the US CIA during the Afghan war"
Uh, no it wasn't. It appears that you know about as much about al-Qaeda and Afghanistan as one would expect from someone who is convinced all history and geopolitcs stem from a small cabal of evildoers.
The CIA in Afghan. worked with elements of what would later become known as "al-Qaeda" in the muj.'s war an subsequent civil war. ISI has more to
ISI and CIA has more to do with the Taliban than specifically al-Qaeda (though there are reports that the CIA is now backing an AQ-related group in its proxy war with Iran. Jundullah was reportedly once fronted by KSM, who is custody for masterminding 9/11).
As AWFUL as this all is, there is nothing spectacularly unusual about it. The US also backed the CONTRAS and numerous other proxy terrorist groups all around the world. The Islamist struggle has been carrying on since the 50s.
Now --MOST Bush ass kissers and liars CONCEDE that NO AIRILINER FUSELAGE was recovered at the Pent but explain it with another ASSAULT of Occam's Razor. They claim that it VAPORIZED lol lol lol lol
Clue: AL does not vap at temps less than 11000 degrees F which NASA sez is 1000 degrees F HOTTER than the surface of the FRICKIN' SUN.
Meanwhile, they claim bodies were DNA IDd. I don't think so --DNA 'melts' at temps well under 500 degrees F.
Are you six years old? Get a grip, you insipid troglodyte.
I don't care what "Bush ass kissers" claim, especially seeing as I spent the last seven years in activism opposed to him and his war "on terror", and especially because I did not claim that it was vaporized and pointed to evidence below.
Also, the DNA testing was spotty precisely because of the fire damage to many of the bodies.
Yeah, sure, when you PROVE that the Second World War happened. Go, show me your evidence...starting NOW!
Why do so many Truthers completely avoid responding to my questions? Instead they ANGRILY demand that I either answer their questions or go fuck off and die or suck Bush's evil cock or whatever.
BTW, they identified the remains of three of the ten WTC hijackers back in 2006. Of course, faking all ten was beyond the abilities of the conspirators... so is fudging autopsy reports, for some reason I am sure you will explain.
Wait. didn't you just argue that there were no planes?
"Why was it blown up in an OBVIOUS CONTROLLED DEMOLITION."
So you agree that what you claim is irrational to suggest? Interesting.
What Truthers suggest almost makes it sound like the Moloch-worshipping Zionist Freemanson International Banker Illuminati CFR PNACers wanted to get caught.
I was merely pointing out that, if Truthers are correct in their assessment that WTC was destroyed in order to excuse the Invasion of Iraq, etc., why was it necessary to "CD" the building (in what you people claim is SO OBVIOUS)? Would it not have been sufficient for the top of the building to eventually collapse and break off (decapitating it) as the 3rd lawers seem to believe is more plausible.
Dear god, pixal was a more dignified opponent than you. Who is insulting who here?
If you believe that I support Bush's version of events, or Bush himself (or even Obama for that matter), or the "war on terror" or any of that, you are way off base.
pixarian72 would say that you are guilty of an association fallacy, and he would be right in this instance.
So, to recap: the NWO thought it was wise to frame citizens of ALLIED NATIONS with DELICATE AND UNPOPULAR RELATIONS with the US to excuse the invasion of two OTHER UNRELATED nations. In order to maximize public support for these wars which they plan to cast as "in defense of everyday Americans", and not in pursuit of empire, the decide to attack their own MONEY and THE MILITARY, and imply that the third plane was aimed at the leadership of that empire?
The conspirators, instead of limiting the complexity of the staged event so as to assure their continued rule and safety, opt for an incredible and (according to Truthers) PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE attack in the midst of an urban ocean of cameras and eye witnesses? Why the easily identifiable "squibs"? Planes decapitating the WTC buildings would not have been sufficient to elicit the support for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein...why was it imperative that they fall?
Again: why blow up WTC7 even though it wasn't hit by a plane? Why would they expect that the public would buy that story? Particularly when Larry Silverstein couldn't even manage a short appearance in a PBS special without admitting to their grand conspiracy? How did they plan for the North Tower to fall into WTC7 so as to excuse the collapse of seven?
And so...why did the NWO cabal choose to blow the WTC in such a way that high school teachers could easily expose them (and lead to their being put to death for mass murder, war crimes and treason)? Why blow the wtc AT ALL? (Oh, Chandler believes it was because Silverstein did not want to pay for asbestos removal - what a sharp mind you've latched onto - this guy is not only a signatory, but a "AE911Truth researcher"). What did they gain from the specifics on 9/11, other than "an attack"?
I mean, could they not have planned something more plausible than what you people claim is so obviously a "controlled demolition" which left mountains of evidence?
Why two trade towers...home to so many unsavory corporations which effectively "run" the gov't? Why attack the den of the great bloated imperial military machine? Why crash a plane in the middle of fucking nowhere?
Oh, even that detail was needlessly faked by the NWO. Because the NWO loves conspiracy within conspiracy, of course.
Two planes struck the WTC ...we have that on tape, but you can't see INSIDE the plane, so some CTers coined consp. for what was really in those planes (drones, holograms, mossad, etc.)
A plane struck the Pentagon... but we have not seen clear footage of the attack so...CTers coined consp. relating to other things (namely anything but what the official story claimed) that might of hit it.
A plane was driven into a field in the middle of nowhere...
...and there is no film of this crash at all. So, CTers claimed that it never happened at all. That's right: NO PLANE CRASHED AT ALL. And the STUPID NWO didn't even bother to fake a crash site. There is NO EVIDENCE OF A PLANE! The NWO RUNS THE WORLD BUT CAN'T FAKE A PLANE CRASH (other than the three others caught on film earlier in the day) to corroborate the claims of its vast and unwieldy conspiracy.
Like all shills who cannot refute the basic physics they try to assert that complex maths is required when it is very simply and logically described in layman's terms.
"hide behind science..." Yes we know that the science is inconvenient to supporters of the official theory as it proves controlled demolition. Physics is a bitch huh?
I am awaiting your email where you explain you own personal calculations (given that this is such simple math) and how you arrived at this conclusion. But I expect that you will not because you never made any calculations (despite their apparent simplicity) and are merely repeating something you read. Am I wrong? Prove me wrong. I await your detailed explanation of how you arrived at "64/34". It is simple, correct? Even a sheeple/shill like me can comprehend? I cannot wait to read it.
You know, as well as I do, that there exist plenty of explanations of the physics of the collapse of the WTC. Should I bore you by repeating them? Why bother? I am not a physicist, and I am not going to embarrass myself like you are doing.
I say "hiding behind" because you are clearly just another Truther with a catch phrase you believe makes you APPEAR knowledgeable.
"ad hom.", "shills", "gate keepers", "false flag", "disinformation" are some other popular buzz words of the CT set.
I provided you with the basic logical evidence. It neither requires to be reduced or complicated further as it concisely and succinctly represents the facts.
It's a 'pissing match' as you term it on your end because you're not interested in addressing facts. The acceleration has been precisely plotted by David Chandler and is undisputed due to the fact that it's from video evidence. watch?v=xG2y50Wyys4&feature=PlayList&p=935054B6F2EAAC12&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13
This is precisely what I believed you were regurgitating ad nauseum. Oy.
Yes, David Chandler, the high school physics teacher and previous author of "A Home Study Companion - Algebra 1" (his bio, often sexed-up with alleged expertise, omits this contribution to the arts).
Chandler's own website mentions that he was convinced of the inside job by Truther DVDs his sister brought home from a 9-11 Truth conference. Judging from the revelations they contained, it may well have been Loose Change.
There is no doubt that he understands more about physics than you and I, but this does not mean that he is infallible.
Among the Truther DVD's sticking points for him were the BBC's reporting of the WTC7 collapsing before it did ), the alleged squibs, and even Larry Silverstein admitting on television that he was involved in a the mass murder of around 3,000 people, terrorism and massive fraud.
For good measure he throws in a complete misunderstanding of the PNAC and the neocons.
Regardless of his BS and high school teaching experience, it was 9/11 conspiracy theory videos, themselves brimming with incredible distortions (while claiming to be seeking the truth) and easily verifiable irrelevancies, that convinced Chandler of the inside job ...not his calculations years later, that propelled him to seek out these "proofs".
And why does he believe 911 was carried out? The usual ignorant assumptions: to invade Iraq and Afghanistan and the domestic suspension of civil libs
Truthers are the only people I have ever encountered that are convinced that America is such a peace-loving nation that its citizens could only ever be convinced to invade/attack another nation if they witnessed a cataclysmic terrorist attack on television and subsequent building collapse.
Truth: The US had invaded Iraq only 12.5 years earlier and had been in a sustained war with them since. The US had also helped destroy Afghan. in the previous decade. Neither required any attack.
The US inherited what was close to a unipolar world following WWII and has been on a march for empire (which included millions of deaths, many assassinations and coups, aerial bombing, terrorism and invasion) for five and a half decades. No "9-11s" were necessary. The 9/11 attack did not even yield a major war (not even one that necessitated a draft) and was exploited to knock over the weakest tinpot dictator in the region the support for whom had expired following the Cold War.
The US had been actively romancing the Taliban and had few issues with them holding down the strategically crucial nation for them while they made their regional maneuvers. 9/11 likely made a mess of some of the neocons immediate plans for Afg.
Yet Truthers are convinced that the neocons (who were actually concerned with big ticket military technology) were desperate to immerse the imperial army in an intractable guerilla war similar to the one that helped bring about civil disorder 40yrs ago
Why? To fight ethnic Pashtuns in Afghanistan, a country they already had the keys to anyway? To overthrow the sanction-paralyzed Hussein? An overthrow that Clinton and Congress had already paved the way for years earlier?
And why was the NWO Cabal unable to convince nations like Canada (which participated in the orig. Gulf War and are apparent members of the NWO) to join the invasion of Iraq? They couldn't even get Turkey involved. Why is the New World Order worse than the old one?
To clamp down on civil liberties? 9/11 would hardly be necessary. It is my opinion that all forms of government lead necessarily in the direction of authoritarianism, while all individuals strive for freedom. Civil liberties being curtailed is hardly that momentous; govt is always pursuing greater power. PATRIOT Act was largely a collection of old ideas and legislation that more or less extended Clinton's Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act. It was hardly sudden or shocking.
Even though we have devolved into a pissing match, I am actually not above listening to your explanation, and hope that you do email me with some form of one. Walk me through "64/36" just to make sure I understand your argument as posted.
I do, however, take offense that you, as the one who started us down the road to ad homs (really, you insulted me first, if you have already forgotten - you continue to refer to me as a shill), continues to act as if it is only I who has engaged in this way.
And those are the things I could think off of the top of my head. I took courses in engineering materials and have worked as a quality control technician testing mechanical properties of metals, so I know a little bit about steel, aluminum, heat treating, etc. So the big thing for me is the assertion that jet fuel and office fire caused total building failure. The WTC towers were as over built as you could reasonably get. Collapsing into pyroclastic dust flows is very suspicious!
- what orders did Cheney allow to stand (while running US Defenses from the Pentagon) as per Norm Manetta's testimony?
- How could 4 passenger jets be hijacked veer of course in some of the most sensitive and monitored airspace in the world and not one of those jets were intercepted by an incredible air force that had a previous 100% intercept rate before and after Sept 11 (Remember Payne Stewart)?
- why has Osama Bin Laden not been criminally charged for Sept 11/01 in any way by the FBI? On his FBI Most Wanted webpage, Sept 11/01 isn't even mentioned.
- Why did Building 7 fall at all, never mind straight into its basement in like 9 seconds without hurting buildings on either side?
- What is the thing underneath the wing of the second plane and is it related to the anomalous flash seen from multiple angles?
- How does gravity driven collapse explain pulverized concrete ejected as pyroclastic flows and DUCTILE steel beans weighing many tens of thousands of pounds hundreds of feet outwards?
- how does oxygen starved kerosene, office furniture, and paper fire melt steel? You mean I can ditch my Oxy/Acetylene torches and just mix a bit of oxygen and some lamp oil and weld steel that instead?! That darn acetylene gas is expensive, unstable, and according to the official conspiracy theory unnecessary!
So many tried to warn Rumsfeld, Rice and their bunch. They didnt want to do anything to stop it. Of course there is always that possibility that they were just incompetent. Glad to be rid of them.
checkout arron russo on 9/11 on you tube. Also checkout mike ruppert tears 9/11 apart on you tube. ALso checkout profiting from 9/11 on you tube and barry jennings on 9/11 on you tube. Also checkout profiting from 9/11 on you tube and sybel edmunds bombshell also on you tube.
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The 9/11 Doomsday Cult will never go away, there is no real reason to debate them other than an effort to release the incredible frustration that their distortion, lack of logic and ignorance evokes.
"9/11 Truth" is a religion, plain and simple. To them Chomsky, Zinn et al. are apostates and heretics (they refer to them as "gatekeepers") and need to be destroyed. They now appeal to authority and pseudoscience with "Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth", their own form of intelligent design.
Ahh yes horseytown another shill predictably not arguing the facts and resorting to argumentum ad hominem. He also misuses the amateur 'association' fallacy trying to claim ae911truth promote 'intelligent design' when there is absolutely no connection.
Let me use his logic....Horseytown, you used the term 'Doomsday'. Cultists use that term therfore you're a crazy nutjob cultist!
Please you lack the intellect to debate this topic, please return your mum's house and put your tin foil hat back on.
"He also misuses the amateur 'association' fallacy trying to claim ae911truth promote 'intelligent design' when there is absolutely no connection."
Actually, no. You simply failed to grasp my likening of ae911truth to I.D., which is merely one aspect of my "9/11 Truth = Religion" (specifically: eschatology) comparison.
I can explain it in detail if it remains beyond your comprehension.
Wrong. you're still using the association fallacy, as 911 truth as nothing to do with ID or religion or the end of the world as you imply, and everything to do with facts.
In fact supporters of the official story have much more to do with ID and religion as they have no logical basis or scientific proof of their theory!
We do, if that remain beneath your pitiful intellect I'd be a happy to explain it for you.
Wrong again. I am not "associating" 911 Truth to Religion, I am LITERALLY REFERRING TO 9/11 TRUTH AS A RELIGION. The gibbering, logic-denying, self-perpetuating faithful are an impressive breed of religious zealot.
" if that remain beneath your pitiful intellect I'd be a happy to explain it for you"
This is precisely the sort of attitude that I referred to in my previous posts: Truthers are an apocalyptic cult (look up the definition, ignoramus). You believe yourselves to be the possessors of
"secret knowledge" with which you can bring to the unbelievers.
A quick search reveals another example that you yourself posted on another YouTube video:
"No, it's only in the minds of objective people with High IQ and keen powers of observation. It's called the New World Order, research it."
Only the TRUTHERS (and assorted CTers), which their unmatched cerebral prowess know the TRUE face of SATAN ...only they can show you THE TRUTH about what is really happening around us.
Truthers deal in science and facts, supporters of the nut-job official conspiracy story that requires a religious miracle that contravenes physics, don't.
If you like I can provide scientific proof of controlled demolition.
Yeah, try and write only substantive posts with cogent arguments... you can spare the adults the flailing schoolyard insults each and every time you cannot manage a rebuttal.
Yay! Actual proof of controlled demolition from a Truther! FINALLY! After YEARS of waiting.
I assume that you mean ACTUAL PROOF of ACTUAL BOMBS in the building and not just the usual points of contention concerning the specific physics of the collapse followed by the automatic NWO consp. theorist assumption that the Illuminati/NWO was responsible.
I await this evidence. I also hope that it is logically sound, and not the mere repetition of people's interpretations of sounds, etc.
Because I noticed that you are a bona fide NWO paranoiac who interprets (like all good CTers) all negative or cataclysmic events (again APOC. CULT) as the "inside job" perpetrated by a cabal of powerful evildoers. Even earthquakes, bad storms and viruses are their doing.
Yes, you would certainly be a reliable source for "the facts" (well, ones that you can pull from CT websites, anyway).
I love that you recently became friends with a Truther named "InTheEndIWasRight "
horseytown, enough of the ad hominem. Truthers deal in science, fact and probability. People who oppose truthers deal merely in ad hominem and a baseless unscientific, cultish denial.
It would be good if you could prove that stereotype wrong. I've offered some scientific proof, perhaps we could address that and skip the name-calling?
Hey horseytown...i just read your comments and replies to pixarian72. Why do you feel the need to resort to name calling? Why don't you address the facts instead of attacking the person verbally?
NIST still cant explain the reason why building 7 collapsed even after they have had 3 or more attempts and have to keep changing their reports. How can a fire destroy every single core beam within the wtc7 at the same time...it cant, its never happened before or since 9/11..AND THATS A FACT!
"i just read your comments and replies to pixarian72. Why do you feel the need to resort to name calling?"
Biased, perhaps? Why did you feel the need to castigate me for "name calling" when I originally wrote a free-standing post that had nothing to do with pixarian that was IMMEDIATELY responded to WITH NAME-CALLING from him.
"another shill...Please you lack the intellect to debate this topic, please return your mum's house and put your tin foil hat back on"
Truthers seem entirely unaware of how condescending and arrogant they are... they can blast away for days and the moment you respond with even a hint of sarcasm they become fragile, delicate flowers and call "foul".
I wouldn't be generalizing if I had not experienced this PRECISE scenario time and time again.
the top section of the north tower accelerates through the lower section uniformly at 64% freefall speed. This means the lower section provided resistance equivalent to 36% the weight of the top section. Newton's 3rd law of equal and opposing forces shows that the top section thus exerted 36% of it's weight,much less than when at rest. Thus the resistance was removed by explosives.
First of all, your assumptions are wrong. Secondly, the collapse was considerably slower than is claimed by CTers, and was not even remotely "symmetrical" (or, that it "looked like a CD"), a claim made by an overwhelming number of Truthers.
The collapses were very messy and the debris falling away from the core structure falls IN ACTUAL FREE-FALL SPEED because it is ACTUALLY meeting no resistance.
But I am not a physicist, and neither are you, nor are any of the other Truthers here.
And so let us address matters of LOGIC, something that all should acquainted with.
Why do you believe that 9/11 was an inside job? Was it the physics that struck you immediately? Or have you been on the NWO conspiracy wagon for some time, and did you automatically attribute the attack to the Illuminati... as you do earthquakes and disease?
This is why I referred to ae911 as "intelligent design" ...it is an attempt by irrational people to tie their folly to a scientific star.
Why such a convoluted plot, given that every single person and agency involved, every day that passed, every little wrinkle (like WTC7) would further risk the lives of the conspirators, who would surely face death if discovered?
Why detonate the buildings? Particularly if it is so utterly impossible for the collapse to occur, and that this is (apparently) so easy to prove with nothing more than a YouTube account?
What, precisely, do you believe the Illuminati/Evil Cabal/New World Order/Bilderberg Group/Council on Foreign Relations/Elders of Zion/Lizard Overlords gain from this attack on its own imperial military apparatus (The Pentagon - an target consistently downplayed in the years since 9/11 because it hardly fits the characterization of the US as "innocent victim") and neoliberal command post (the WTC) and some field in Somerset County, PA?
The top section of the North tower accelerates through the lower section uniformly at 64% freefall speed. This means he lower section provided resistance equivalent to 36% the weight of the top section. Newton's law of equal and opposing forces shows that the top section thus exerted 36% of it's weight, much less than at rest. Thus the resistance was removed by explosives.
You can't refute it can you? Physics is a bitch huh?
You need to show "your" work for me to take "your" claim seriously. You can email the details of your bitchy physics to horseytown at hotmail com.
Given that it is unlikely that you know anything beyond a handful of punchy gotchas you gleaned from assorted truther sites, I will not be holding my breath.
I will say that the top portion of the building, once the walls of the floors below burst outward (visible in the video of at least one of the collapses), did not merely strike the entire building as a whole, but stripped off floors individually as it plummeted in an explosive mess, the tops of the buildings tipping, the collapse churning out large masses of debris which rained down on nearby buildings.
You have no grasp of physics. The fact that it disintegrated as it hit, proves most of the downward force was absorbed as it requires energy to pulverise concrete and steel, half the mass was also expelled laterally.
The top accelerated at 64% freefall which means that the lower section provided resistance = 36% weight of top section. According to newton's third law the top section thus exerted 36% of it's rest weight. If you can't understand basic physics you should go away and learn.
You are the one who has posted almost only ad hominem. The only time you have attempted to post anything other than ad hominem has been your childish regurgitation of this 64%/36% line that you gleaned from CT websites and YouTube videos.
And, in a veritable confirmation of my "ID" comparison, you have chosen to hide behind it, hoping that you can hide behind "science" (which you believe sounds intellectually intimidating) until the rational non-NWO paranoiac people leave.
And seeing as YOU DO have a grasp of physics, surely there will be no problem emailing YOUR PHYSICS WORK which lead to your 64-34 conclusion. Show the math and perhaps I will take you more seriously.
Until then, you are just another Truther masquerading as an armchair physicist hanging onto whatever scienc-y stuff that corroborates your belief that a dastardly cabal of evil is responsible for all of the world's ills.
You repeated something you do not understand at all. Send your own mathematical calculations to my email address. Until then I am not going to respond to this line of argument.
"Refute or fuck off and stop wasting our time."
Why, because you lack the ability to discuss 9/11 beyond your mindlessly copied and pasted 36/64 line?
I am not going to shed any tears if your time is too precious to dedicate to me. Go, live your self-important terrified little life, hiding from your NWO bogeymen ...I will learn to move on.
Send your math to my email address and consider it done.
"lol!"
See, this is a good indication of your maturity level and your scientific knowledge concerning physics. You learned the 34/64 thing from other Truthers (yes, I have seen it before, it is NOT YOUR OWN DOING) and condensed it to an easily applicable couple of lines you could post endlessly on YouTube... after which you can write, "REFUTE IT, BITCH! LOL PWNED!"
You believe that it makes you sound "smart" just like ae911 makes...
just like ae911 makes NWO paranoiacs feel like their "inside job" conclusion was a rational and even provable one, and that science is on their side.
Only scientists and physicists that agree, of course. The others are all in on it and anyone who criticizes the conspiracy theory is a "shill" or "gatekeeper" or whatever.
I could easily post scientific refutations from physicists who disagree with Truthers...but then I would guilty of the same intellectual posturing as you.
You are not a physicist, nor do you possess a working understanding of physics.
Given that you also believe HAARP conspiracy (how about chemtrails?) and, generally and broadly, NWO conspiracy... physics is but a mask for your paranoia and ignorance.
You are just spouting baseless ad hominem drivel to avoid addressing the question. You cannot refute simple facts. Your remark "physics is but a mask for your..."shows that shills like yourself are irrational kooks that have no case based in facts or science.
The physics I have provided is very basic and you can't refute it. Go on, keep avoiding the science and keep throwing insults. You're just digging yourself a deeper hole.
I'm afraid that unless you can present a rational, logical, scientific refutation to the physical explanation I provided, you're not adding anything to the discussion by ad hominem.
The assumption you made that I referred to above is that you assume that Newton's 3rd Law is relevant at all to a building that is in the midst of collapse. A pillar only exerts equal resistance until that pillar is compromised and the yield strength is exceeded. The reality of the building changed dramatically with the shift from static to dynamic.
Watch any of a number of vérinage demolitions on YouTube if you need further examples that a building can collapse in this manner.
Incorrect. The collapse through the resistance can only continue to ACCELERATE through the resistance if the weight above is greater than the resistance. If the resistance is greater than the above weight which it is, and is designed to be then the mass will decelerate. The 64% freefall proves that the top section exerted 36% of it's weight as the rest was converted to gravitational kinetic energy. The verinage cable demolition of a flimsy plaster building slows down visibly after a few stories
Completely wrong. You are nothing more than a liar. The ONLY way it can meet no resistance is if it's removed by explosives, after all the building was still intact.
It was entirely symmetric also.
I notice you avoid addressing the physical PROOF I offered. You name call and make blatantly wrong assertions.
Also if it's qualifications you're after, as like all shills you either lack the intellect to understand the issue or can't refute the physics so you just lie, then , many top physicists, engineers and architects share the same views.
"many top physicists, engineers and architects share the same views."
Many top "physicists, engineers and architects" share an opposing view... in fact, they are more numerous than the population of ae911 (most members of which, by their own admission, are merely people who at some time possessed an architecture license or degree, and have no real knowledge of physics or even skyscrapers. Many of them admit alongside their signatures that they were convinced by YouTube videos and CT films.)
THE VAST MAJORITY of the signatories merely support a full and independent investigation into the collapse and attacks, something THAT I ALSO SUPPORT.
The number of full on NWO paranoiacs is quite small. But then, the number of signatories is pretty insignificant regardless.
But they are described by Truthers as "numerous" or a reflection of a "scientific consensus". The truth is that Truthers are EXPLOITING their signatures and claiming that they share identical views of the NWO as them.
Regardless of how many believe this or that, the fact is that Truthers reject ALL SCIENTIFIC WORK that does not support their NWO CABAL INSIDE JOB THEORY as the work of "shills" and "neocons" "nazis" and "gate keepers".
Unfortunately the science and evidence PROVES controlled demolition.
Truthers want an investigation and are not concerned with speculation as to the perpetrators. Shills by the way are merely people of low intelligence who are paid to troll youtube all day posting inane, illogical replies to truthers, they did not have anything to do with 911. As for Nazis, your fantasies are quite out there Mr Tin foil hat.
I am already aware that the NWO has a large retinue of paid interns that try to keep the denizens of YouTube from learning the Truth about 9/11. I know because I have been told by many a Truther that I am one of them (or a CIA agent, or a disinformation agent, etc.).
The truth is that conspiracy is actually ENCOURAGED by those in power because it is a fruitless distraction that absorbs what could otherwise be mobilized as meaningful activism.
Why is someone like Alex Jones on CNN and Fox (appearing in 20th Cent. Fox movies, as well) and treated like high-rolling celebrity, while "shills" and "gatekeepers" like Chomsky and Zinn, are entirely blacked out of the mainstream media, and have been for decades since they became activists during the Vietnam/Civil Rights era?
YouTube is a veritable arm of the US gov't (did you notice the relationship during the Iranian elections?) ... and yet it is brimming with these incredible revelations.
wrong. NIST admits freefall for 2.5 seconds in WTC7 which PROVES that the resistance was removed as even a structurally compromised building would offer resistance negating freefall.
Demolition? It would take at least six months to prep a building the size of WTC for a demolition.
So...
Hundreds of ninja demolition experts worked undercover for a lot longer than six months without anyone noticing them while they tore away the walls to get to the columns, planted the explosives and put the walls back again every single day.
Wrong. There was a massive elevator system overhaul before 911. The elevator shafts are adjacent to the core columns and all structural support points are accessible from there.
The elevator renovation that was done on the buildings by Ace Elevator Co. took 9 months by the way, significantly longer than your 6 months estimate.
Yes, that six month estimate was if you have complete freedom in prepping up building, optimal conditions that is. In this case they had to do it ninja style, most likely during nights, constantly worrying about noise, smell, being detected etc. Also I presume they would've had to renovate the elevators at the same time in order to not raise suspicions after the renovation ended.
Have you ever seen what it takes to prep a building for demoliton? It's an extremely disruptive process.
Wrong. OBVIOUSLY if they were doing it under the guise of elevator maintenance they would not have to do it ninja stye. In which case they had complete freedom.
It is not a disruptive process because as I have already told you,all structural points are accessible from the elevator shafts without disrupting office activities.
TheJ. L. Hudson Department was the tallest skyscraper ever taken down in a controlled demolition. 16 storeys smaller than WTC7, its demolition required three months and twenty-four days prepping for implosion.
And yet Truthers have never even attempted to explain how 262 floors of three busy office buildings in the midst of Manhattan were prepped for controlled demolition without even a hiccup.
"Elevator repair" is not a sufficient explanation,
I have to say that the idea of bombs in the building has always stumped me too, because of the time it would take to do the job, and also, the incredible precision required to time the charges correctly.
But I still signed up with the Architects and Engineers for an independent investigation.
Many who believed the fuselage vaporized also believe that passengers (Arabs included) were DNA ID'd. Well, that's not possible since DNA literally 'melts' at temps well under 500 degree F.
If the fuselage 'vapped', then NO DNA id was possible. If the fuselage, then, did NOT vaporize, where is it?
Occam's razor! There is, simply, no fuselage because NO AIRLINER crashed the Pent.
Dude I swear this woman SOUNDS JUST LIKE Sarah Palin
StraightEdgeReviews 1 year ago
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@Mike2020able Visit you with what, Jihad bone smoke? You people are so full of shit. Islamic Jihad wants to kill us while you kiss Osama's peoples asses to go against the American and Israeli government. Fucking cult you people. You moved up 2012 to 2020? lol. Colleen is full of shit.
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AS OF 09/04/2010 NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED FOR THE ATTACKS ON 911, THAT'S BECAUSE 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!....SO ?911!
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UCJIMBO 1 year ago
Furthermore, I don't believe the Pakistani ISI story. It looks like the US government released that info to lead people away from the truth. I look at independent photo evidence and I look at the lack of evidence. I am aware when the government tries to lead me in a new direction and bog me down with fake evidence, hoping I will waste my time on it. I don't trust a damn thing the US government says about 9/11.
tshirtfaction 1 year ago
This is a garbage interview. If this lady made it to the front page of Time, she is no whistleblower. She spends the entire interview trying to substantiate the official government version of 9/11 except that maybe the government should have picked up on a fake terror threat earlier. A real whistle blower would talk about Building Seven, the alleged crash site in Shanksville and the alleged crash site at the Pentagon. There is way too much physical evidence that refutes the government version.
tshirtfaction 1 year ago
I swear that M.I complex stooges are paid to make anti 911 truth postings on all these 911 vids. Maybe in their lunchbreaks, but maybe they go for walks, take a shit, have a smoke, or maybe even eat in their lunchbreaks, know what I mean? Youtube is a CIA front!! This is how theyre doing it!! Its the honey we're the bees!!! Its bait!! Its a trap!! AAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!! Boom!!!!!!
quarkmuffin37 1 year ago
Sduderstadt refered to me being eighty sixed in a post shortly after I was tombstoned. ONLY A MODERATOR has this info.
At the very least he has a "special relationship" with the mods which of course is not really news to any of you posting on DUs 911 forum. Just wanted to let you know this info. It was fun sharing info with fellow truth advocates and I will hopefully see you on other forums. Democratic Underground is far from the open forum it likes to claim it is.
lovepg 2 years ago 2
Sduderstand on democratic underground is really a moderator pretending to be a regular poster to control the debate on 911 in democratic underground. He is a lying fraud,
lovepg 2 years ago
As FBI Director Robert Mueller had said, there is no evidence to connect the 'said' 19 'hijackers' with the events of 911.
That's 'no' as in 'none', 'nada' and 'zip'! And there is STILL no evidence to connect the 'Arab hijackers' with the crime of mass murder called '911'.
Mueller is RIGHT about that. There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to support Bush's official BULLSHIT OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY OF 911.
And anyone who believes any part of it is 1) a LIAR or 2) an IDIOT!
lennhart 2 years ago
Re: "don't waste your time with HORSEY"
You're right! The 'official conspiracy theory' has become a religion among the bush impaired right wing. And there is not a scrap, a shred, a scintilla of admissible and/or credible evidence to support let alone prove it.
lennhart 2 years ago
HEY HORSEY ---YOU NUMBNUTS !!!
TELL ME ---WHICH TERRORIST BROUGHT DOWN WTC 7....
Was it binny?
Since you think you know so fuckin' much, TELL ME WHICH TERRORIST BROUGHT DOWN WTC 7
Stop stalling and put up or shut up!!!!
lennhart 2 years ago
lennhart don't waste your time with HORSEY cuz he's an asshole who is trying to insult your intelligence and get under your skin like this ASSHOLE named " JonathonMoseley ' who's doing the same shit and spreading all the lies that they think we will believe!!
jtrish23 2 years ago
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Anyone who believes OBVIOUS BULLSHIT upon no evidence whatsoever --let alone PROOF --is a blithering idiot.
The 911 LIAR MOVEMENT is a movement of dipshits, morons, extremists and other idiots, liars, dropouts, and extremist screwballs.
lennhart 2 years ago
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lennhart 2 years ago
Now ---horsey I repeat my challenge:
I will PROVE that CIA created Al Qaeda when YOU:
1) show me a FUSELAGE at the Pentagon
2) show me TWO TITANIUM/STEEL ALLOY ROTORS.
3) show me an OFFICIAL AUTOPSY REPORT with Arab names on it.
4) Show me DNA id's of DEAD HIJACKERS, the bodies of which were recovered at the Pentagon!
Stop stalling !! Stop HOSEYING AROUND, YOU IDIOT.
You and you slimy ilk are what's wrong with this country, you fuck head!
lennhart 2 years ago
Frankly ---horsey, I don't give a SHIT WHAT YOU THINK OF ALL CAPS!!!
lennhart 2 years ago
Bush KISS UPS have in fact, admitted that there was no wreckage when they came up with yet another LUDICROUS THEORY.
The fuselage of 77, they say, VAPORIZED. Clue: AL vaporizes at 11000 degrees F which NASA sez is 1000 degrees hotter than the surface of the sun.
Now --the SAME folk claim victims were DNA identified. But the denaturation ('melting point) of DNA varies but is almost always WELL under 500 degrees F.
So ---WHICH IS IT? Did the fuselage VAP? OR ---were the VICTIMS ID'd?
lennhart 2 years ago
'Re: " Again, prove that the "CIA created al-Qaeda". "
I'll make you a deal, I will POST reams of proof of that when you:
1) show me the wreckage of a 757 at the Pent.
2) show me an OFFICIAL AUTOPSY REPORT of pent victims with ARAB NAMES on it.
3) show me TWO TITANIUM STEEL ROTORS traceable to a 757 or, better, to fl 77.
4) show me a SCRAP of bona fide, proven airliner wreckage recovered from the BACK HOE ditch in PA.
DEAL?
lennhart 2 years ago
Now ---back to basics:
1) NO WRECKAGE of an airliner
2) NO ARAB NAMES on an OFFICIAL AUTOPSY REPORT.
3) NO DNA ids of ANYONE said to have been on Fl 77.
4) No evidence, in fact, that ANY ALLEGED hijacker EVER got on board Flt 77
5) There is REASONABLE DOUBT that Flt 77 was even in the air that day.
6) NTSB data ---released under an FOIA --indicates that what was later called Fl 77 was some 77 feet ABOVE the Pentagon at the instant of impact.
lennhart 2 years ago
Re: " ISI and CIA has more to do with the Taliban than specifically al-Qaeda"
NOPE ---the Taliban is of much more recent vintage.
How old are you? 12?
lennhart 2 years ago
"recent vintage"
I did not specify a time period. Please refer to the post that I just made.
Again, prove that the "CIA created al-Qaeda".
horseytown 2 years ago
Re: "Uh, no it wasn't. "
Uh ...yes it was.
lennhart 2 years ago
"yes it was"
Aha! Prove it.
And I don't mean prove that they armed and supported Islamist elements through the ISI which are connected to al-Qaeda (this is true ... I mean, support your claim that al-Qaeda was a creation of the CIA in Afghanistan.
al-Qaeda was formed in Pakistan out of elements of MAK.
horseytown 2 years ago
I am outta here...FED UP with You Tube's suck ass servers.
I'll be back ....
waiting for an explanation of HOW the FUSELAGE of a 757 managed to VANISH without help from DAVID COPPERFIELD.
lennhart 2 years ago
"I'll be back"
Oh, don't do it on my account. You with your urges for me to "PUKE IT UP" hardly makes you the cream of the Truther crop.
horseytown 2 years ago
PEOPLE who believe BULLSHIT are either
1) DELUSIONAL AND INSANE
2) STUPID
3) CRIMINALS COVER UP A CRIME
4) Combinations of all of the above
5) all of the above
Now --which one are you?
lennhart 2 years ago
Wow. We're done. Considering the veritable army of Truthers hanging around YouTube pages, I really do not need to waste my time with you, who clearly has anger management issues and an inflated sense of importance.
As Truthers go, you do you do not even know your stuff. Pixarian at least sounded like he had a brain in his skull and could manage a post with hammering his meaty fists on his keyboard like a petulant imbecile.
This angry child ALL CAPS nonsense is tiresome.
horseytown 2 years ago
HORSEY ---look up BURDEN OF PROOF.
If I say that you sucked Bush's prick, I have to PROVE it.
If Bush sez, Ali baba and his 40 thieves, did yada yada and hijacked yada yada, BUSH HAS TO PROVE IT.
If you agree with Bush, you have to PROVE IT or cite EVIDENCE to support it.
You have done NONE of that.
Again --there is NO EVIDENCE, let alone proof, that anything said by Bush re: 911 is true.
There is NO EVIDENCE to support the Bush official conspiracy theory.
lennhart 2 years ago
HORSEY ---I've made this SIMPLE for you. But you will NOT pay attention.
There is NO FORENSIC EVIDENCE in support of Bush's OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY of 911.
I have challenged you to PUKE IT UP...but you can't because there is none.
lennhart 2 years ago
CLUE: without that OFFICIAL AUTOPSY report, you have NOTHING that a judge would allow in court.
911 was a CRIME ergo, the rules of evidence apply.
lennhart 2 years ago
You cannot even PUT the flight in the air that day and you want me to BELIEVE that they ID the hijackers whose names DO NOT show up on the ONLY ADMISSIBLE PIECE of evidence relating to the victims ???
lennhart 2 years ago
RE: "they identified the remains of three of the ten WTC hijackers back in 2006. "
Uh huh ...like I believe that when there is --in fact --NO evidence they ever got on board,
I cannot believe 'intelligent' people fall for this CRAP!
lennhart 2 years ago
It 's CURIOUS that BUSH pukes up or shits a CONSPIRACY THEORY involving 19 Arab Hijakckers and NO ONE calls Bush a CONSPIRACY THEORIST!
What gives?
19 Arab hijackers !!!! What the fuck !!!
Bush might as well had claimed it was all the work of ALI BABA and his 40 THIEVES !!
lennhart 2 years ago
Re: ""Yeah, sure, when you PROVE that the Second World War happened. Go, show me your evidence...starting NOW! "
Obviously --you have NEVER debated or argue a case in court.
BURDEN OF PROOF
You are defending a THEORY for which there is not truth and how you WHINE when I demand you prove your BULLSHIT.
If you cannot prove it, then shut the fuck up!
lennhart 2 years ago
RE: "Yeah, sure, when you PROVE that the Second World War happened. Go, show me your evidence...starting NOW! "
So --you ADMIT you have no case.
But that hasn't kept you from using IDIOT terms like truther.
And as long as you do that, I will call you what you are: 911 LIAR.
lennhart 2 years ago
And ANOTHER thing that pisses me off is FUCKIN YOU TUBE....
About two thirds of the tijme, my posts are NOT POSTED...they just dissapear.
i know other people have this problem as well.
YOU TUBE, if you are listening ---fix your fucking server.
lennhart 2 years ago
SHOW ME AN OFFICIAL AUTOPSY REPORT WITH ARAB NAMES ON IT.....
and while you're at it, PLEASE explain to this board HOW they were IDd IF the MISSING FUSELAGE 'vaporized' as 911 LIARS say it did.
lennhart 2 years ago
911 liars ...L
1) PROVE THE ALLEGED PLANES FLEW
2) PROVE THEY DID WHAT BUSH ASS KISSERS SAY THEY DID
3) show me the wreckage or shut the fuck up!
lennhart 2 years ago
RE: " You mean that the BTS data, which is updated only monthly, is incomplete for 911? This proves what..no planes? Sure."
I don't have to prove shit!
YOU have to prove that the planes --in fact --fuckin flew at all, dip wad.
IF you think they flew, then you should have no frickin trouble PROVING IT.
You say they flew---PROVE IT!
lennhart 2 years ago
Now --it has been my experience covering murder trials for major market broadcast outlets that ONLY the guilty are MOTIVATED TO COVER UP A CRIME.
Only the guilty are motivated to lie about it. i.e, TRY TO FLOAT a fuckin cover story like Bush has, in fact, done with 911.
The GUILTY are MOTIVATED destroy steel at NT and destroy MISSILE WRECKAGE at the Pentagon.
An INNOCENT PERSON would be OUT OF HIS MIND to ORDER the destruction of the evidence that might clear him of all charges.
lennhart 2 years ago
Now ---let's review some basic law and logic.
OCCAM SAID: "Multiplicity ought not to be posited without necessity"
Nor is BUSH'S OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY the 'simplest'. In fact, the BUSH theory complicates things for the LIARS who profess to believe it. They have to keep going back to the drawing board to come up with SHIT that 'might' pull Bush's FAT out of a mass murder rap.
lennhart 2 years ago
IF an airliner had crashed the PENT, two LARGE TITANIUM/STEEL ALLOW engine rotors would have been found.
Where are they?
SHOW ME THE ROTORS !!!
911 LIARS have never been able to explain HOW a 757 could crash into a bldg and leave 1) NO FUSELAGE
2) NO ROTORS traceable to an airliner of ANY sort.
3) EXPLAIN how Arab bodies were DNA id when there are NO ARAB NAMES on the ONLY OFFICIAL, ADMISSIBLE piece of evidence to have surfaced with regard to the Pentagon: THE OFFICIAL AUTOPSY REPORT!
lennhart 2 years ago
Let's review some FACTS which I know are despited by 911 LIARS..
1) NO ALLEDGED FLIGHT WAS SKED TO FLY THAT DAY (SRC: BTS and AA) If you disagrees, then PROVE that it flew or shut up.
2) NO WRECKAGE traceable to an airliner of ANY sort at PA. If you disagrees, THEN PROVE IT or shut the fuck up!
3) NO WRECKAGE AT PENT. If you disagree, prove and trace it to a FLIGHT that BTS sez was NOT EVEN sked to fly that day.
4) WHY is there no fuselage at PENT? No fuselage --no plane!
lennhart 2 years ago
By "despited" did you mean "disputed"?
1) You cannot confirm that it was not scheduled to fly and you possess no evidence that it did not fly. We do have missing passengers, plane debris, audio recordings, DNA evidence and hours of footage of those plans impacting the WTC from every conceivable angle.
2-4) There is wreckage. Google "moussaoui exhibits" and go to the Prosecution Trial Exhibits on the USCD Eastern District of Virginia page.
horseytown 2 years ago
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Now:
1) Prove that there were absolutely bombs in the WTC and that they are traceable to Bush and the other neocons.
horseytown 2 years ago
I don't propose theories ---that's the job of the OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.
you obviously believe everything is due to TERRORISTS. Then ---tell me --WHICH TERRORIST BROUGHT DOWN WTC7?
Tell me..! Who did it? Bin Laden? Hani Hanjour? Ooga boogah?
WHICH TERRORIST BROUGHT DOWN WTC7
STOP STALLING AND PROVE YOUR SHIT!
lennhart 2 years ago
RE: "However there are some truthers out there that think 9/11 was allowed to happen at the hands of Bush to give us reason to attempt his "liberation" of the middle east. "
The OPPOSITE of 911 TRUTHER is 911 LIAR!
So, you self-confessed goddamned liar, if you think Bush's OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY is true PROVE IT.
PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!
lennhart 2 years ago
Al Qaeda
It means THE BASE, literally.
It was a creation of the US CIA during the Afghan war.
WHEN did the CIA| stop being AL QAEDA?
lennhart 2 years ago
"It means THE BASE, literally. "
Did you just learn this today? Why are you telling me?
"It was a creation of the US CIA during the Afghan war"
Uh, no it wasn't. It appears that you know about as much about al-Qaeda and Afghanistan as one would expect from someone who is convinced all history and geopolitcs stem from a small cabal of evildoers.
The CIA in Afghan. worked with elements of what would later become known as "al-Qaeda" in the muj.'s war an subsequent civil war. ISI has more to
horseytown 2 years ago
ISI and CIA has more to do with the Taliban than specifically al-Qaeda (though there are reports that the CIA is now backing an AQ-related group in its proxy war with Iran. Jundullah was reportedly once fronted by KSM, who is custody for masterminding 9/11).
As AWFUL as this all is, there is nothing spectacularly unusual about it. The US also backed the CONTRAS and numerous other proxy terrorist groups all around the world. The Islamist struggle has been carrying on since the 50s.
horseytown 2 years ago
Now --MOST Bush ass kissers and liars CONCEDE that NO AIRILINER FUSELAGE was recovered at the Pent but explain it with another ASSAULT of Occam's Razor. They claim that it VAPORIZED lol lol lol lol
Clue: AL does not vap at temps less than 11000 degrees F which NASA sez is 1000 degrees F HOTTER than the surface of the FRICKIN' SUN.
Meanwhile, they claim bodies were DNA IDd. I don't think so --DNA 'melts' at temps well under 500 degrees F.
I cannot be both ways!
lennhart 2 years ago
"MOST Bush ass kissers"
Are you six years old? Get a grip, you insipid troglodyte.
I don't care what "Bush ass kissers" claim, especially seeing as I spent the last seven years in activism opposed to him and his war "on terror", and especially because I did not claim that it was vaporized and pointed to evidence below.
Also, the DNA testing was spotty precisely because of the fire damage to many of the bodies.
horseytown 2 years ago
There is NO EVIDENCE to support the Bush THEORY that 19 arab hijackers board and hijacked ANY of the said flights that day.
NONE! If you think so, post and PROVE it.
For examp: no arab bodies were recovered in NY. If you think so, PROVE IT. 1
Secondly, there are NO ARAB NAMES on the OFFICIAL AUTOPSY REPORT re: Fl 77 released to Dr. Olmsted in response to his FOIA request.
A passenger list --btw --is NOT evidence. has no BONA FIDES, is NOT admissible in court.
lennhart 2 years ago
"NO EVIDENCE"
"NONE"
"PROVE it."
Yeah, sure, when you PROVE that the Second World War happened. Go, show me your evidence...starting NOW!
Why do so many Truthers completely avoid responding to my questions? Instead they ANGRILY demand that I either answer their questions or go fuck off and die or suck Bush's evil cock or whatever.
horseytown 2 years ago
BTW, they identified the remains of three of the ten WTC hijackers back in 2006. Of course, faking all ten was beyond the abilities of the conspirators... so is fudging autopsy reports, for some reason I am sure you will explain.
Wait. didn't you just argue that there were no planes?
horseytown 2 years ago
Re: "Again: why blow up WTC7 even though it wasn't hit by a plane? "
Indeed! Why was it blown up in an OBVIOUS CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
Reminder: it was NOT hit by a plane. Explosion the controlled demolition and the SATELLITE INFRA RED photos of hot spots.
Now --if the Bush official theory were correct, it would EXPLAIN WTC 7 ...
Guess what. It doesn't.
lennhart 2 years ago
"Why was it blown up in an OBVIOUS CONTROLLED DEMOLITION."
So you agree that what you claim is irrational to suggest? Interesting.
What Truthers suggest almost makes it sound like the Moloch-worshipping Zionist Freemanson International Banker Illuminati CFR PNACers wanted to get caught.
horseytown 2 years ago
Re: "Planes decapitating the WTC buildings "
That does not even DESCRIBE the 'video' that has been shown repeatedly.
No plane is seen decapitating ANYTHING.
lennhart 2 years ago
"No plane is seen decapitating ANYTHING."
I was merely pointing out that, if Truthers are correct in their assessment that WTC was destroyed in order to excuse the Invasion of Iraq, etc., why was it necessary to "CD" the building (in what you people claim is SO OBVIOUS)? Would it not have been sufficient for the top of the building to eventually collapse and break off (decapitating it) as the 3rd lawers seem to believe is more plausible.
horseytown 2 years ago
Re: "Worst of all, it is not only the "truth about 9/11" that they claim to possess. "
No wonder the nation is fucked up. NO ONE can think logically.
First of all --the 'truther' position is that BUSH OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY theorists CANNOT prove their OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY.
If you think they can, then PROVE IT ---or shut the fuck up!
Cite a single scrap that can be traced to ANY airliner and PROVE IT!
You insults just prove how stupid your are. They do NOT prove your case.
lennhart 2 years ago
"You insults just prove how stupid your are."
Dear god, pixal was a more dignified opponent than you. Who is insulting who here?
If you believe that I support Bush's version of events, or Bush himself (or even Obama for that matter), or the "war on terror" or any of that, you are way off base.
pixarian72 would say that you are guilty of an association fallacy, and he would be right in this instance.
horseytown 2 years ago
Bullshit....just show me the wreckage and prove it came from said flight.
Just show me an official autopsy report with ARAB names on it.
Show me TWO TITANIUM STEEL engine rotors.
lennhart 2 years ago
So, to recap: the NWO thought it was wise to frame citizens of ALLIED NATIONS with DELICATE AND UNPOPULAR RELATIONS with the US to excuse the invasion of two OTHER UNRELATED nations. In order to maximize public support for these wars which they plan to cast as "in defense of everyday Americans", and not in pursuit of empire, the decide to attack their own MONEY and THE MILITARY, and imply that the third plane was aimed at the leadership of that empire?
horseytown 2 years ago
The conspirators, instead of limiting the complexity of the staged event so as to assure their continued rule and safety, opt for an incredible and (according to Truthers) PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE attack in the midst of an urban ocean of cameras and eye witnesses? Why the easily identifiable "squibs"? Planes decapitating the WTC buildings would not have been sufficient to elicit the support for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein...why was it imperative that they fall?
horseytown 2 years ago
Again: why blow up WTC7 even though it wasn't hit by a plane? Why would they expect that the public would buy that story? Particularly when Larry Silverstein couldn't even manage a short appearance in a PBS special without admitting to their grand conspiracy? How did they plan for the North Tower to fall into WTC7 so as to excuse the collapse of seven?
horseytown 2 years ago
And so...why did the NWO cabal choose to blow the WTC in such a way that high school teachers could easily expose them (and lead to their being put to death for mass murder, war crimes and treason)? Why blow the wtc AT ALL? (Oh, Chandler believes it was because Silverstein did not want to pay for asbestos removal - what a sharp mind you've latched onto - this guy is not only a signatory, but a "AE911Truth researcher"). What did they gain from the specifics on 9/11, other than "an attack"?
horseytown 2 years ago
I mean, could they not have planned something more plausible than what you people claim is so obviously a "controlled demolition" which left mountains of evidence?
Why two trade towers...home to so many unsavory corporations which effectively "run" the gov't? Why attack the den of the great bloated imperial military machine? Why crash a plane in the middle of fucking nowhere?
Oh, even that detail was needlessly faked by the NWO. Because the NWO loves conspiracy within conspiracy, of course.
horseytown 2 years ago
CTers love to dream up what cannot be seen.
Two planes struck the WTC ...we have that on tape, but you can't see INSIDE the plane, so some CTers coined consp. for what was really in those planes (drones, holograms, mossad, etc.)
A plane struck the Pentagon... but we have not seen clear footage of the attack so...CTers coined consp. relating to other things (namely anything but what the official story claimed) that might of hit it.
A plane was driven into a field in the middle of nowhere...
horseytown 2 years ago
...and there is no film of this crash at all. So, CTers claimed that it never happened at all. That's right: NO PLANE CRASHED AT ALL. And the STUPID NWO didn't even bother to fake a crash site. There is NO EVIDENCE OF A PLANE! The NWO RUNS THE WORLD BUT CAN'T FAKE A PLANE CRASH (other than the three others caught on film earlier in the day) to corroborate the claims of its vast and unwieldy conspiracy.
horseytown 2 years ago
By avoiding the facts I presented, you are just embarrassing yourself.
I'm awaiting refutation
pixarian72 2 years ago
Like all shills who cannot refute the basic physics they try to assert that complex maths is required when it is very simply and logically described in layman's terms.
"hide behind science..." Yes we know that the science is inconvenient to supporters of the official theory as it proves controlled demolition. Physics is a bitch huh?
pixarian72 2 years ago
I am awaiting your email where you explain you own personal calculations (given that this is such simple math) and how you arrived at this conclusion. But I expect that you will not because you never made any calculations (despite their apparent simplicity) and are merely repeating something you read. Am I wrong? Prove me wrong. I await your detailed explanation of how you arrived at "64/34". It is simple, correct? Even a sheeple/shill like me can comprehend? I cannot wait to read it.
horseytown 2 years ago
You know, as well as I do, that there exist plenty of explanations of the physics of the collapse of the WTC. Should I bore you by repeating them? Why bother? I am not a physicist, and I am not going to embarrass myself like you are doing.
I say "hiding behind" because you are clearly just another Truther with a catch phrase you believe makes you APPEAR knowledgeable.
"ad hom.", "shills", "gate keepers", "false flag", "disinformation" are some other popular buzz words of the CT set.
horseytown 2 years ago
I provided you with the basic logical evidence. It neither requires to be reduced or complicated further as it concisely and succinctly represents the facts.
It's a 'pissing match' as you term it on your end because you're not interested in addressing facts. The acceleration has been precisely plotted by David Chandler and is undisputed due to the fact that it's from video evidence. watch?v=xG2y50Wyys4&feature=PlayList&p=935054B6F2EAAC12&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13
Please refute.
pixarian72 2 years ago
This is precisely what I believed you were regurgitating ad nauseum. Oy.
Yes, David Chandler, the high school physics teacher and previous author of "A Home Study Companion - Algebra 1" (his bio, often sexed-up with alleged expertise, omits this contribution to the arts).
Chandler's own website mentions that he was convinced of the inside job by Truther DVDs his sister brought home from a 9-11 Truth conference. Judging from the revelations they contained, it may well have been Loose Change.
horseytown 2 years ago
There is no doubt that he understands more about physics than you and I, but this does not mean that he is infallible.
Among the Truther DVD's sticking points for him were the BBC's reporting of the WTC7 collapsing before it did ), the alleged squibs, and even Larry Silverstein admitting on television that he was involved in a the mass murder of around 3,000 people, terrorism and massive fraud.
For good measure he throws in a complete misunderstanding of the PNAC and the neocons.
horseytown 2 years ago
Regardless of his BS and high school teaching experience, it was 9/11 conspiracy theory videos, themselves brimming with incredible distortions (while claiming to be seeking the truth) and easily verifiable irrelevancies, that convinced Chandler of the inside job ...not his calculations years later, that propelled him to seek out these "proofs".
And why does he believe 911 was carried out? The usual ignorant assumptions: to invade Iraq and Afghanistan and the domestic suspension of civil libs
horseytown 2 years ago
Truthers are the only people I have ever encountered that are convinced that America is such a peace-loving nation that its citizens could only ever be convinced to invade/attack another nation if they witnessed a cataclysmic terrorist attack on television and subsequent building collapse.
Truth: The US had invaded Iraq only 12.5 years earlier and had been in a sustained war with them since. The US had also helped destroy Afghan. in the previous decade. Neither required any attack.
horseytown 2 years ago
The US inherited what was close to a unipolar world following WWII and has been on a march for empire (which included millions of deaths, many assassinations and coups, aerial bombing, terrorism and invasion) for five and a half decades. No "9-11s" were necessary. The 9/11 attack did not even yield a major war (not even one that necessitated a draft) and was exploited to knock over the weakest tinpot dictator in the region the support for whom had expired following the Cold War.
horseytown 2 years ago
The US had been actively romancing the Taliban and had few issues with them holding down the strategically crucial nation for them while they made their regional maneuvers. 9/11 likely made a mess of some of the neocons immediate plans for Afg.
Yet Truthers are convinced that the neocons (who were actually concerned with big ticket military technology) were desperate to immerse the imperial army in an intractable guerilla war similar to the one that helped bring about civil disorder 40yrs ago
horseytown 2 years ago
Why? To fight ethnic Pashtuns in Afghanistan, a country they already had the keys to anyway? To overthrow the sanction-paralyzed Hussein? An overthrow that Clinton and Congress had already paved the way for years earlier?
And why was the NWO Cabal unable to convince nations like Canada (which participated in the orig. Gulf War and are apparent members of the NWO) to join the invasion of Iraq? They couldn't even get Turkey involved. Why is the New World Order worse than the old one?
horseytown 2 years ago
To clamp down on civil liberties? 9/11 would hardly be necessary. It is my opinion that all forms of government lead necessarily in the direction of authoritarianism, while all individuals strive for freedom. Civil liberties being curtailed is hardly that momentous; govt is always pursuing greater power. PATRIOT Act was largely a collection of old ideas and legislation that more or less extended Clinton's Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act. It was hardly sudden or shocking.
horseytown 2 years ago
Even though we have devolved into a pissing match, I am actually not above listening to your explanation, and hope that you do email me with some form of one. Walk me through "64/36" just to make sure I understand your argument as posted.
I do, however, take offense that you, as the one who started us down the road to ad homs (really, you insulted me first, if you have already forgotten - you continue to refer to me as a shill), continues to act as if it is only I who has engaged in this way.
horseytown 2 years ago
And those are the things I could think off of the top of my head. I took courses in engineering materials and have worked as a quality control technician testing mechanical properties of metals, so I know a little bit about steel, aluminum, heat treating, etc. So the big thing for me is the assertion that jet fuel and office fire caused total building failure. The WTC towers were as over built as you could reasonably get. Collapsing into pyroclastic dust flows is very suspicious!
SpeedMetal13 2 years ago
- what orders did Cheney allow to stand (while running US Defenses from the Pentagon) as per Norm Manetta's testimony?
- How could 4 passenger jets be hijacked veer of course in some of the most sensitive and monitored airspace in the world and not one of those jets were intercepted by an incredible air force that had a previous 100% intercept rate before and after Sept 11 (Remember Payne Stewart)?
SpeedMetal13 2 years ago
- what caused the flash (seen in the Naudet Bros film) just before the first plane hit?
-why no clear Pentagon impact footage, when there should be muliple shots, from multiple angles, from many different buildings?
- and how could a passenger jet hit the Pentagon, which has sophisticated defense mechanisms?
- What was that weird white military jet doing flying in restricted airspace during that time?
SpeedMetal13 2 years ago
- why has Osama Bin Laden not been criminally charged for Sept 11/01 in any way by the FBI? On his FBI Most Wanted webpage, Sept 11/01 isn't even mentioned.
- Why did Building 7 fall at all, never mind straight into its basement in like 9 seconds without hurting buildings on either side?
- What is the thing underneath the wing of the second plane and is it related to the anomalous flash seen from multiple angles?
SpeedMetal13 2 years ago
- How does gravity driven collapse explain pulverized concrete ejected as pyroclastic flows and DUCTILE steel beans weighing many tens of thousands of pounds hundreds of feet outwards?
- how does oxygen starved kerosene, office furniture, and paper fire melt steel? You mean I can ditch my Oxy/Acetylene torches and just mix a bit of oxygen and some lamp oil and weld steel that instead?! That darn acetylene gas is expensive, unstable, and according to the official conspiracy theory unnecessary!
SpeedMetal13 2 years ago
What happened to the gold in the vault's under the WTC ? Bozo the Bush knows !
alloypony02 2 years ago
they spent it bailing out the banks
siti1ca 2 years ago
The gold took a hike and no one is owning up ! But who had the authority to transfer so much so fast , and from where ?
alloypony02 2 years ago
THANKS! :D
PNACATTACKdotCOM 2 years ago
So many tried to warn Rumsfeld, Rice and their bunch. They didnt want to do anything to stop it. Of course there is always that possibility that they were just incompetent. Glad to be rid of them.
Igentenos 2 years ago
checkout arron russo on 9/11 on you tube. Also checkout mike ruppert tears 9/11 apart on you tube. ALso checkout profiting from 9/11 on you tube and barry jennings on 9/11 on you tube. Also checkout profiting from 9/11 on you tube and sybel edmunds bombshell also on you tube.
bob911truth 2 years ago
wait? so 9/11 wan't an inside job? bin laden was on the FBI most wanted list even before 9/11? (9:34)
shocked. absolutely shocked. (...that paul jay isn't peddling the nonsense conspiracy theories to which the majority of his youtube viewers subscribe)
nubbs 2 years ago
Building 7
Hierophant2 2 years ago 3
Fantastic interview.
burrdturgler 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The 9/11 Doomsday Cult will never go away, there is no real reason to debate them other than an effort to release the incredible frustration that their distortion, lack of logic and ignorance evokes.
"9/11 Truth" is a religion, plain and simple. To them Chomsky, Zinn et al. are apostates and heretics (they refer to them as "gatekeepers") and need to be destroyed. They now appeal to authority and pseudoscience with "Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth", their own form of intelligent design.
horseytown 2 years ago
Ahh yes horseytown another shill predictably not arguing the facts and resorting to argumentum ad hominem. He also misuses the amateur 'association' fallacy trying to claim ae911truth promote 'intelligent design' when there is absolutely no connection.
Let me use his logic....Horseytown, you used the term 'Doomsday'. Cultists use that term therfore you're a crazy nutjob cultist!
Please you lack the intellect to debate this topic, please return your mum's house and put your tin foil hat back on.
pixarian72 2 years ago 2
"another shill"
"argumentum ad hominem"
Brilliantly hypocritical.
"He also misuses the amateur 'association' fallacy trying to claim ae911truth promote 'intelligent design' when there is absolutely no connection."
Actually, no. You simply failed to grasp my likening of ae911truth to I.D., which is merely one aspect of my "9/11 Truth = Religion" (specifically: eschatology) comparison.
I can explain it in detail if it remains beyond your comprehension.
horseytown 2 years ago
the official story has the magical thinking of a religion.
adamaxiom 2 years ago
How so? Please explain what you mean by this.
horseytown 2 years ago
Wrong. you're still using the association fallacy, as 911 truth as nothing to do with ID or religion or the end of the world as you imply, and everything to do with facts.
In fact supporters of the official story have much more to do with ID and religion as they have no logical basis or scientific proof of their theory!
We do, if that remain beneath your pitiful intellect I'd be a happy to explain it for you.
lol
pixarian72 2 years ago
Wrong again. I am not "associating" 911 Truth to Religion, I am LITERALLY REFERRING TO 9/11 TRUTH AS A RELIGION. The gibbering, logic-denying, self-perpetuating faithful are an impressive breed of religious zealot.
" if that remain beneath your pitiful intellect I'd be a happy to explain it for you"
This is precisely the sort of attitude that I referred to in my previous posts: Truthers are an apocalyptic cult (look up the definition, ignoramus). You believe yourselves to be the possessors of
horseytown 2 years ago
"secret knowledge" with which you can bring to the unbelievers.
A quick search reveals another example that you yourself posted on another YouTube video:
"No, it's only in the minds of objective people with High IQ and keen powers of observation. It's called the New World Order, research it."
Only the TRUTHERS (and assorted CTers), which their unmatched cerebral prowess know the TRUE face of SATAN ...only they can show you THE TRUTH about what is really happening around us.
horseytown 2 years ago
Do you still fail to understand why I am referring to you as a member of an apocalyptic cult? Do you even know the meaning of the word "apocalypse"?
NWO CTers fit the definition nicely enough. I have been informed that I will be punished for my intransigence when (some form of) "the end" comes?
"Horseytown, you shills will be the first to go when your masters rape you in the mouth"
- those were the words of a Truther named dtoma555.
So much of what Truthers write has this character,
horseytown 2 years ago
I meant for that to read as:
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I have been informed that I will be punished for my intransigence when (some form of) "the end" comes?
Many NWO paranoiacs actually use some form of "you will realize the truth in the end" in their denunciation of the ignorant kafirs.
Anyway, for what reason do you believe that the WTC was detonated from within?
horseytown 2 years ago
Horseytown, thanks for revealing yourself as a cult-worshipping nutjob.
Lol! It's great when the work is done for you.
pixarian72 2 years ago
Truthers deal in science and facts, supporters of the nut-job official conspiracy story that requires a religious miracle that contravenes physics, don't.
If you like I can provide scientific proof of controlled demolition.
pixarian72 2 years ago
Translation of pixarian's post
"I know you are, but what am I."
Yeah, try and write only substantive posts with cogent arguments... you can spare the adults the flailing schoolyard insults each and every time you cannot manage a rebuttal.
horseytown 2 years ago
Yay! Actual proof of controlled demolition from a Truther! FINALLY! After YEARS of waiting.
I assume that you mean ACTUAL PROOF of ACTUAL BOMBS in the building and not just the usual points of contention concerning the specific physics of the collapse followed by the automatic NWO consp. theorist assumption that the Illuminati/NWO was responsible.
I await this evidence. I also hope that it is logically sound, and not the mere repetition of people's interpretations of sounds, etc.
horseytown 2 years ago
Because I noticed that you are a bona fide NWO paranoiac who interprets (like all good CTers) all negative or cataclysmic events (again APOC. CULT) as the "inside job" perpetrated by a cabal of powerful evildoers. Even earthquakes, bad storms and viruses are their doing.
Yes, you would certainly be a reliable source for "the facts" (well, ones that you can pull from CT websites, anyway).
I love that you recently became friends with a Truther named "InTheEndIWasRight "
IN THE END I WAS RIGHT
horseytown 2 years ago
Yep...IN THE END...you still don't "get" the apocalyptic cult thing?
horseytown 2 years ago
horseytown, enough of the ad hominem. Truthers deal in science, fact and probability. People who oppose truthers deal merely in ad hominem and a baseless unscientific, cultish denial.
It would be good if you could prove that stereotype wrong. I've offered some scientific proof, perhaps we could address that and skip the name-calling?
pixarian72 2 years ago
Hey horseytown...i just read your comments and replies to pixarian72. Why do you feel the need to resort to name calling? Why don't you address the facts instead of attacking the person verbally?
NIST still cant explain the reason why building 7 collapsed even after they have had 3 or more attempts and have to keep changing their reports. How can a fire destroy every single core beam within the wtc7 at the same time...it cant, its never happened before or since 9/11..AND THATS A FACT!
ousamadidndoit 2 years ago
"i just read your comments and replies to pixarian72. Why do you feel the need to resort to name calling?"
Biased, perhaps? Why did you feel the need to castigate me for "name calling" when I originally wrote a free-standing post that had nothing to do with pixarian that was IMMEDIATELY responded to WITH NAME-CALLING from him.
"another shill...Please you lack the intellect to debate this topic, please return your mum's house and put your tin foil hat back on"
Why didn't you criticize him?
horseytown 2 years ago
Truthers seem entirely unaware of how condescending and arrogant they are... they can blast away for days and the moment you respond with even a hint of sarcasm they become fragile, delicate flowers and call "foul".
I wouldn't be generalizing if I had not experienced this PRECISE scenario time and time again.
horseytown 2 years ago
Happy to oblige Horseytown, ahem....
the top section of the north tower accelerates through the lower section uniformly at 64% freefall speed. This means the lower section provided resistance equivalent to 36% the weight of the top section. Newton's 3rd law of equal and opposing forces shows that the top section thus exerted 36% of it's weight,much less than when at rest. Thus the resistance was removed by explosives.
pixarian72 2 years ago
Yeah, I read that bit of bogus armchair physics (which are posted all over the internet on Truther websites) when you posted it earlier.
I meant, post ACTUAL PROOF of a controlled demolition.
Again, try and come up with something remotely plausible.
horseytown 2 years ago
Bogus physics? How so?
pixarian72 2 years ago
First of all, your assumptions are wrong. Secondly, the collapse was considerably slower than is claimed by CTers, and was not even remotely "symmetrical" (or, that it "looked like a CD"), a claim made by an overwhelming number of Truthers.
The collapses were very messy and the debris falling away from the core structure falls IN ACTUAL FREE-FALL SPEED because it is ACTUALLY meeting no resistance.
But I am not a physicist, and neither are you, nor are any of the other Truthers here.
horseytown 2 years ago
And so let us address matters of LOGIC, something that all should acquainted with.
Why do you believe that 9/11 was an inside job? Was it the physics that struck you immediately? Or have you been on the NWO conspiracy wagon for some time, and did you automatically attribute the attack to the Illuminati... as you do earthquakes and disease?
This is why I referred to ae911 as "intelligent design" ...it is an attempt by irrational people to tie their folly to a scientific star.
horseytown 2 years ago
WHY do you believe:
911 was carried out and by whom?
Why such a convoluted plot, given that every single person and agency involved, every day that passed, every little wrinkle (like WTC7) would further risk the lives of the conspirators, who would surely face death if discovered?
Why detonate the buildings? Particularly if it is so utterly impossible for the collapse to occur, and that this is (apparently) so easy to prove with nothing more than a YouTube account?
Why the plane in PA?
horseytown 2 years ago
Why WTC7? How did the NWO plan for the debris from WTC2 to fall into WTC7 so as to excuse their planned controlled demolition?
Or was that merely good fortune? Was the NWO going to just blow up WTC7 even if no debris struck it? Why not a fifth plane?
Or a car bomb?
Why detonate the building in (what you claim) is SO OBVIOUSLY a controlled demolition?
Why hit the buildings with planes and the blow them up?
How did crews pack HUNDREDS of FLOORS with explosives and go undiscovered?
horseytown 2 years ago
What, precisely, do you believe the Illuminati/Evil Cabal/New World Order/Bilderberg Group/Council on Foreign Relations/Elders of Zion/Lizard Overlords gain from this attack on its own imperial military apparatus (The Pentagon - an target consistently downplayed in the years since 9/11 because it hardly fits the characterization of the US as "innocent victim") and neoliberal command post (the WTC) and some field in Somerset County, PA?
horseytown 2 years ago
Please refute the proof.
The top section of the North tower accelerates through the lower section uniformly at 64% freefall speed. This means he lower section provided resistance equivalent to 36% the weight of the top section. Newton's law of equal and opposing forces shows that the top section thus exerted 36% of it's weight, much less than at rest. Thus the resistance was removed by explosives.
You can't refute it can you? Physics is a bitch huh?
pixarian72 2 years ago
You need to show "your" work for me to take "your" claim seriously. You can email the details of your bitchy physics to horseytown at hotmail com.
Given that it is unlikely that you know anything beyond a handful of punchy gotchas you gleaned from assorted truther sites, I will not be holding my breath.
horseytown 2 years ago
I will say that the top portion of the building, once the walls of the floors below burst outward (visible in the video of at least one of the collapses), did not merely strike the entire building as a whole, but stripped off floors individually as it plummeted in an explosive mess, the tops of the buildings tipping, the collapse churning out large masses of debris which rained down on nearby buildings.
It was not exerting less weight than at rest.
Please now respond to my queries.
horseytown 2 years ago
You have no grasp of physics. The fact that it disintegrated as it hit, proves most of the downward force was absorbed as it requires energy to pulverise concrete and steel, half the mass was also expelled laterally.
The top accelerated at 64% freefall which means that the lower section provided resistance = 36% weight of top section. According to newton's third law the top section thus exerted 36% of it's rest weight. If you can't understand basic physics you should go away and learn.
pixarian72 2 years ago
Whoa tiger! Easy on the ad hominem! We are getting angry aren't we? lol!
I just provided you with the proof. Refute or fuck off and stop wasting our time.
pixarian72 2 years ago
You are the one who has posted almost only ad hominem. The only time you have attempted to post anything other than ad hominem has been your childish regurgitation of this 64%/36% line that you gleaned from CT websites and YouTube videos.
And, in a veritable confirmation of my "ID" comparison, you have chosen to hide behind it, hoping that you can hide behind "science" (which you believe sounds intellectually intimidating) until the rational non-NWO paranoiac people leave.
horseytown 2 years ago
"You have no grasp of physics."
And seeing as YOU DO have a grasp of physics, surely there will be no problem emailing YOUR PHYSICS WORK which lead to your 64-34 conclusion. Show the math and perhaps I will take you more seriously.
Until then, you are just another Truther masquerading as an armchair physicist hanging onto whatever scienc-y stuff that corroborates your belief that a dastardly cabal of evil is responsible for all of the world's ills.
horseytown 2 years ago
"We are getting angry aren't we?"
No, but simple minds are tiresome.
"I just provided you with the proof."
You repeated something you do not understand at all. Send your own mathematical calculations to my email address. Until then I am not going to respond to this line of argument.
"Refute or fuck off and stop wasting our time."
Why, because you lack the ability to discuss 9/11 beyond your mindlessly copied and pasted 36/64 line?
horseytown 2 years ago
I am not going to shed any tears if your time is too precious to dedicate to me. Go, live your self-important terrified little life, hiding from your NWO bogeymen ...I will learn to move on.
horseytown 2 years ago
Refutation please lol!
pixarian72 2 years ago
Send your math to my email address and consider it done.
"lol!"
See, this is a good indication of your maturity level and your scientific knowledge concerning physics. You learned the 34/64 thing from other Truthers (yes, I have seen it before, it is NOT YOUR OWN DOING) and condensed it to an easily applicable couple of lines you could post endlessly on YouTube... after which you can write, "REFUTE IT, BITCH! LOL PWNED!"
You believe that it makes you sound "smart" just like ae911 makes...
horseytown 2 years ago
just like ae911 makes NWO paranoiacs feel like their "inside job" conclusion was a rational and even provable one, and that science is on their side.
Only scientists and physicists that agree, of course. The others are all in on it and anyone who criticizes the conspiracy theory is a "shill" or "gatekeeper" or whatever.
I could easily post scientific refutations from physicists who disagree with Truthers...but then I would guilty of the same intellectual posturing as you.
horseytown 2 years ago
You are not a physicist, nor do you possess a working understanding of physics.
Given that you also believe HAARP conspiracy (how about chemtrails?) and, generally and broadly, NWO conspiracy... physics is but a mask for your paranoia and ignorance.
horseytown 2 years ago
You are just spouting baseless ad hominem drivel to avoid addressing the question. You cannot refute simple facts. Your remark "physics is but a mask for your..."shows that shills like yourself are irrational kooks that have no case based in facts or science.
The physics I have provided is very basic and you can't refute it. Go on, keep avoiding the science and keep throwing insults. You're just digging yourself a deeper hole.
pixarian72 2 years ago
I'm afraid that unless you can present a rational, logical, scientific refutation to the physical explanation I provided, you're not adding anything to the discussion by ad hominem.
pixarian72 2 years ago
The assumption you made that I referred to above is that you assume that Newton's 3rd Law is relevant at all to a building that is in the midst of collapse. A pillar only exerts equal resistance until that pillar is compromised and the yield strength is exceeded. The reality of the building changed dramatically with the shift from static to dynamic.
Watch any of a number of vérinage demolitions on YouTube if you need further examples that a building can collapse in this manner.
horseytown 2 years ago
Incorrect. The collapse through the resistance can only continue to ACCELERATE through the resistance if the weight above is greater than the resistance. If the resistance is greater than the above weight which it is, and is designed to be then the mass will decelerate. The 64% freefall proves that the top section exerted 36% of it's weight as the rest was converted to gravitational kinetic energy. The verinage cable demolition of a flimsy plaster building slows down visibly after a few stories
pixarian72 2 years ago
Completely wrong. You are nothing more than a liar. The ONLY way it can meet no resistance is if it's removed by explosives, after all the building was still intact.
It was entirely symmetric also.
I notice you avoid addressing the physical PROOF I offered. You name call and make blatantly wrong assertions.
You have yet to refute the proof
pixarian72 2 years ago
Also if it's qualifications you're after, as like all shills you either lack the intellect to understand the issue or can't refute the physics so you just lie, then , many top physicists, engineers and architects share the same views.
pixarian72 2 years ago
"many top physicists, engineers and architects share the same views."
Many top "physicists, engineers and architects" share an opposing view... in fact, they are more numerous than the population of ae911 (most members of which, by their own admission, are merely people who at some time possessed an architecture license or degree, and have no real knowledge of physics or even skyscrapers. Many of them admit alongside their signatures that they were convinced by YouTube videos and CT films.)
horseytown 2 years ago
They are top physicists and engineers, fact.
You once again state blatantly untrue facts.
All the members of ae911truth and myself know a lot more than you do about physics.
Please watch the video link I provided, I'm extremely interested to hear your refutation.
pixarian72 2 years ago
THE VAST MAJORITY of the signatories merely support a full and independent investigation into the collapse and attacks, something THAT I ALSO SUPPORT.
The number of full on NWO paranoiacs is quite small. But then, the number of signatories is pretty insignificant regardless.
But they are described by Truthers as "numerous" or a reflection of a "scientific consensus". The truth is that Truthers are EXPLOITING their signatures and claiming that they share identical views of the NWO as them.
horseytown 2 years ago
Regardless of how many believe this or that, the fact is that Truthers reject ALL SCIENTIFIC WORK that does not support their NWO CABAL INSIDE JOB THEORY as the work of "shills" and "neocons" "nazis" and "gate keepers".
horseytown 2 years ago
Unfortunately the science and evidence PROVES controlled demolition.
Truthers want an investigation and are not concerned with speculation as to the perpetrators. Shills by the way are merely people of low intelligence who are paid to troll youtube all day posting inane, illogical replies to truthers, they did not have anything to do with 911. As for Nazis, your fantasies are quite out there Mr Tin foil hat.
pixarian72 2 years ago
I am already aware that the NWO has a large retinue of paid interns that try to keep the denizens of YouTube from learning the Truth about 9/11. I know because I have been told by many a Truther that I am one of them (or a CIA agent, or a disinformation agent, etc.).
The truth is that conspiracy is actually ENCOURAGED by those in power because it is a fruitless distraction that absorbs what could otherwise be mobilized as meaningful activism.
horseytown 2 years ago
Why is someone like Alex Jones on CNN and Fox (appearing in 20th Cent. Fox movies, as well) and treated like high-rolling celebrity, while "shills" and "gatekeepers" like Chomsky and Zinn, are entirely blacked out of the mainstream media, and have been for decades since they became activists during the Vietnam/Civil Rights era?
YouTube is a veritable arm of the US gov't (did you notice the relationship during the Iranian elections?) ... and yet it is brimming with these incredible revelations.
horseytown 2 years ago
Yeah, not to mention you'd only have to search "wtc free fall debunked" in Youtube to see they didn't fall without resistance.
lornloxor 2 years ago
wrong. NIST admits freefall for 2.5 seconds in WTC7 which PROVES that the resistance was removed as even a structurally compromised building would offer resistance negating freefall.
There is no refutation, sorry
pixarian72 2 years ago 4
The Murrah building in Oklahoma City had a huge hole blown in it, and it didn't collapse.
WEREFEAT 2 years ago 3
Demolition? It would take at least six months to prep a building the size of WTC for a demolition.
So...
Hundreds of ninja demolition experts worked undercover for a lot longer than six months without anyone noticing them while they tore away the walls to get to the columns, planted the explosives and put the walls back again every single day.
Sounds more like 24 than real life.
lornloxor 2 years ago
Wrong. There was a massive elevator system overhaul before 911. The elevator shafts are adjacent to the core columns and all structural support points are accessible from there.
It's elementary really.
pixarian72 2 years ago
The elevator renovation that was done on the buildings by Ace Elevator Co. took 9 months by the way, significantly longer than your 6 months estimate.
pixarian72 2 years ago
Yes, that six month estimate was if you have complete freedom in prepping up building, optimal conditions that is. In this case they had to do it ninja style, most likely during nights, constantly worrying about noise, smell, being detected etc. Also I presume they would've had to renovate the elevators at the same time in order to not raise suspicions after the renovation ended.
Have you ever seen what it takes to prep a building for demoliton? It's an extremely disruptive process.
lornloxor 2 years ago
Wrong. OBVIOUSLY if they were doing it under the guise of elevator maintenance they would not have to do it ninja stye. In which case they had complete freedom.
It is not a disruptive process because as I have already told you,all structural points are accessible from the elevator shafts without disrupting office activities.
You've been debunked.
pixarian72 2 years ago 3
TheJ. L. Hudson Department was the tallest skyscraper ever taken down in a controlled demolition. 16 storeys smaller than WTC7, its demolition required three months and twenty-four days prepping for implosion.
And yet Truthers have never even attempted to explain how 262 floors of three busy office buildings in the midst of Manhattan were prepped for controlled demolition without even a hiccup.
"Elevator repair" is not a sufficient explanation,
horseytown 2 years ago
I have to say that the idea of bombs in the building has always stumped me too, because of the time it would take to do the job, and also, the incredible precision required to time the charges correctly.
But I still signed up with the Architects and Engineers for an independent investigation.
WEREFEAT 2 years ago
Many who believed the fuselage vaporized also believe that passengers (Arabs included) were DNA ID'd. Well, that's not possible since DNA literally 'melts' at temps well under 500 degree F.
If the fuselage 'vapped', then NO DNA id was possible. If the fuselage, then, did NOT vaporize, where is it?
Occam's razor! There is, simply, no fuselage because NO AIRLINER crashed the Pent.
lennhart 2 years ago