Actually, forget my comment to you. I don't like being forced into your kind of sensorship. An open debate would atleast land you a mental thumbs up. Turning off ratings and open discussions doesn't give you credit.
@theoldbat40 Just a SPAM control, and a way to weed out hateful comments, because I have found that some gays and lesbians can be pretty hurtful in trying to get their one-sided points across, and resort to all kinds of creative PROFANITY.
I am not the least bit afraid of this whole debate, because we keep winning it on logic alone, let alone the Bible. Logic says its a crime against nature that humans would forsake the procreative process for "pleaasure?" That's just wrong.
Theyr'e not more selfish than anyone wanting to marry their partner. The world is not a constant - dictionaries have been changed all the time, but I guess the previous changes didn't affect you or your religion? All of your arguments are based on a view colored by your religion. I've yet to see anyone come up with a rational argument based on facts to support your personal (and selfish) reasons to not allow gays to have a legal marriage.
Religion should NEVER be a basis for changing the law considering there are multiple religions with different views and some people with no religion at all.
@TheAnnoyingThing1915 You're right, but the Bill of Rights means something in the USA. No one can change the definitions of what religion stands for, and that's why marriage should be OFF the table. Its like government is unconstitutionally trying to INFRINGE on the rights of Americans in some states to practice their religion, and the government is trying to redefine, BY LAWS, what is a sin or not. That's just plain wrong. Get OUT of the morality definitions business. It belongs to RELIGION
@hroark91 #LOL we would not even be having this discussion if gays were not so bent on trying to destroy religion. They are seeking to change marriage into something abominable. I am not obsessed with gays, gays are obsessed with ruining marriage, and as a US citizen and I am standing up for my 1st Amendment rights of religion, and to protect it, and to protect marriage.
I don't even want to THINK about what it means to be a homosexual. It truly disgusts me. I do not accept it.
@mormonanswerman Can you establish any way, any way at all, in which same-sex marriage would be deleterious to heterosexual marriage? Until you can do that, you aren't "protecting" marriage. And what of religions that believe that homosexual couples in love SHOULD be married? Why do they not have the same right?
@TatouSolitaire Simply, those religions ARE of the devil, and I truly mean that. An EVIL religion that says gay marriage is OK. For one, its immoral. Two, it is not supported by the Bible in any sense of even the imagination. It is entirely a made up FAD of the 21st century.
@hroark91 If you guys wouldn't write to me so much, I could stop thinking about it. But you keep making comments and false statements. I am bound to respond to much of this nonsense. Why don't you just stop sinning and mocking God, and that would be a good start.
@mormonanswerman Yes, because NFL players are our leading sources of accurate political predictions. He also showed a startling lack of knowledge of the history of marriage, asserting that it hasn't changed in thousands of years, if I remember correctly.
@TatouSolitaire You absolutely know nothing of the history of marriage. Until you begin to believe in God and in the truth of the Bible, and of Adam and Eve, and God starting all that, you are going to be deceived by emotional pleas towards embracing debauchery.
@mormonanswerman Sorry, I choose instead to believe in archeological evidence that shows marriage-like institutions existing in societies older than the bible. Of course, your pride will not let you accept those as being true, so let me put it this way: Even if the earth is only as old as 6,000 years, and the bible always existed, it was not always in circulation - there was the period where it was being written, as well as societies where its influence had not spread.
@TatouSolitaire Archaeology! In bed with the evolutionists. Marriage was started by God in the beginning of this world, with a man and a woman he named Adam and Eve, whom he placed here. I am not going to believe any other story, especially if its just some THEORY from a scientist or an archaeologist who got the dates wrong, because their dating system is flawed. Its obviously flawed, because they are always talking about the movements of people BEFORE there were any people. Not buying that
@mormonanswerman I mean, mainland Africa had no christian influence whatsoever until Dutch conquerers came, and that's more than 5,000 years of the earth's life, according to your calendar. And yet, marriage has been observed in some of those areas. Same thing with areas of mainland Asia.
@mormonanswerman And once again, you missed the entire point of the post. Let's say for the sake of argument that the bible is the only reason marriage exists; well, marriage has STILL changed, in countless ways. They are in some cases legal changes, such as miscegenation or the no-fault divorce law, fluid changes such as the rising divorce rate, and less-definable changes in the character of the marriage and the interaction between spouses. It changes all the time.
@TatouSolitaire I don't even care about government "marriage" licensing. I really don't. They also made abortion legal. That does not change my position that abortion is murder and people who do it are going to be sent to hell unless they repent, IF they can repent of it. God will be the judge. But there is no way that I accept abortion even though the government or supreme court rules on it. They will go to hell for that, it was a wicked ruling. Same with gay marriage.
(6) It's not like by preventing gays from marrying, you are preventing them from "being gay". If anything, gay marriage will reduce the spread of AIDS because it will reinforce monogamous sexual relations (seeing as having multiple partners is the biggest factor of contracting AIDS). And ALL this notwithstanding, you have STILL not addressed the fact that you cannot logically or legally impede same-sex marriage. You have put up a lot of objections but not a case.
@TatouSolitaire I am not interested in trying to stop AIDS, I am only pointing out the obvious connections of gay men to AIDS and the cause is there because of the overwhelming 80% + of cases being associated with gay sex. There you go. It is a fact, and you should familiarize yourself with the websites publishing these facts, because it seems that you are missing the point. Gay sex is BAD for America, for the world. There are DISEASES directly associated with it, because of it.
@mormonanswerman There is a concept that you seem to really struggle with. Let me break it down for you:
STI's are spread by sexual contact with an INFECTED PARTNER. The gender of the infected partner does not matter, nor does the gender of the uninfected partner. If neither partner is infected, no amount of sexual contact between the two IN THEIR LIFETIME will cause an STI. Mutual lifetime monogamy means that even a gay male, "causing" so much disease as you say, will remain healthy.
@TatouSolitaire It all started with GAYS and bath houses and RAMPANT immorality and addiction to sex, even sex on demand by MEN. They started it and spread it. Even still, they account for over 80% of the problem of its current spreading... and that is a fact that I have looked up and researched, so I do know its still the gay men who are doing this. They are addicted.
@mormonanswerman You sir, are so misinformed it is hilarious. HIV/AIDS does not come about as a result of gay sex, but as a result of UNPROTECTED SEX BETWEEN ANY TWO INDIVIDUALS (given that one of the sexual partners is a already carrier and enough bodily fluids are exchanged). You are right that young gay men are particularly affected by it (in the UK/USA that is), but is not because gay sex is "associated" (whatever the hell you mean by that) with HIV/AIDS....
@PenguinOfDestiny duh, but it is being SPREAD in 80% of all cases by GAY MEN today. That's a fact, and it is a fact that they are having condomless sex, but even with a condom it is not protected, not if you are going to hell for sins its not.
@TatouSolitaire I am not trying to prevent a man from being gay. I am interested, in putting up this video, in preserving and protecting marriage from the assault that is now upon it, to try and get government to change it, to corrupt it, from its long standing sacred and biblical installment to the earth. Marriage started as a commandment from GOD, and it is in the first chapters of the Bible in Genesis. Read that.
@mormonanswerman I am restraining myself from swearing because I understand that you find that offensive, as well as the fact that it may give you an irrational reason to discount my arguments. But goodness, this is ridiculous. Stop ignoring my arguments. It's like you only read the first two lines of any given post. Once again, your BELIEF that marriage started as a commandment from god is not sufficient legal justification to bar marriage. Once again you present NO CASE.
@TatouSolitaire The facts are that 80% of the AIDS cases in the USA are caused and spread currently by GAY MEN. You can DISTRACT from this by saying things such as "it is spread by an infected partner" as if to make it mainstream and a heterosexual problem. No, it is not. Please study. Please research. I did. The facts are in, and this is one health reason why gay sex should be OUTLAWED since there is so much problem with it and people are dying all over because of it.
@mermaidsareppl222 I don't believe ANY of the polls that say things are swinging your way with gay marriage being accepted. Not in my world, I do not see it. Even the President as liberal as he is will not own up to it to please many of his constituents, BECAUSE they too know that the majority is NOT with that idea. Why should they be? Religion does take precedence over your preferences, the preferences of a MINORITY, because we have the 1st Amendment protection for exercise of religion.
(4) Furthermore, the claim that the AIDS epidemic is proof of homosexuality being "sinful" is not a logical conclusion. Let's break it down:
Disease A is bad. Disease A tends to affect group A over others. Therefore, group A is sinful.
Malaria is bad. Malaria tends to affect Africans over others - does that imply to you that being African is inherently sinful? If it doesn't, I would hope you recognize that it doesn't make sense in your claims either. If it does, something is very wrong.
So your sense of what is right is simply "what the bible says"? Do you realize that even the leaders of the LDS Church have stated that we should never follow blindly? And now I pose another question: Are the things in the bible moral because god commands them? Or does he command them because they are moral?
@TatouSolitaire I am not following blindly. I do know that God is real, He does exist, and He does answer prayers. Once people get to this point in their lives, they don't question everything God says through His prophets and Jesus Christ as well, but they learn to embrace it and strive to get line with that. There are more people in the world trying to do this than those who don't. Many more.
@mormonanswerman (5) Now your claim that heterosexual females contracting the virus are getting it from homosexual partners is preposterous. There is absolutely no way you can support that claim with any data, and it doesn't make sense. But let's say, for the sake of argument, that it's true. How would legalizing gay marriage have a negative impact? Theoretically, it would draw those "secret gays" out into the open and they would no longer be transmitting the virus to females.
If women, who are heterosexual, are getting AIDS, and they are not taking drugs by needle, then they are getting it from the partner, who is obviously infected by an outside source, which is obviously another GAY man... it is common sense, easy logical deduction. Its like a simple math problem which you refuse to solve, because you are biased, looking for an out, but there is no out. Gay men are spreading this disease. PERIOD.
@mormonanswerman Why are you trying? You've already sinned and fallen short of the righteousness of God. There's no point in continuing to fuel your pride with the false hope that "you can do it." You can't. By Christ came grace by faith. In the end, God does not care if you're gay or straight, white or black, male female or other. All He cares about is whether we have received the free gift of the Gospel of Christ. I am gay, I am a sinner... Buy, by God, I am saved!
@908381stud So yours is the gospel of anything goes?
God does care. That's why there is a judgment day. You are right that He does not care if we are black, white, male or female when it comes to judgment day, but you mix that gay stuff in there. That's like saying God does not care if we are black, white, prostitute, adulterers, fornicators, liars, cheats, or thieves. And it is very very wrong. You are not saved in your sins. You are saved FROM your sins and that requires REPENTANCE.
@mormonanswerman My friend, you do not understand the Gospel of Christ. We are all condemned under the Law (Romans 3). Adam was condemned for eating a fruit... and he was no better than his son Cain for sin. The justification that comes through Christ by faith in Him reaches us as sinners. No one has ever earned or been worthy of salvation (save Jesus). I have been saved from death by Grace... who cares about sins when Jesus has cast them away?
@908381stud 2 Nephi 28:9 Yea, and there shall be many which shall teach after this manner, false and vain and foolish doctrines, and shall be puffed up in their hearts, and shall seek deep to hide their counsels from the Lord; and their works shall be in the dark.
@mermaidsareppl222 Mormon 9: 2 Behold, will ye believe in the day of your visitation—behold, when the Lord shall come, yea, even that great day when the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, yea, in that great day when ye shall be brought to stand before the Lamb of God—then will ye say that there is no God?
According to your own scriptures, Christ presented his gospel but offered all men the choice - he did not force his beliefs or lifestyle on any person. So how is it that you feel justified doing just that - enforcing your code of morality? Remember, two plans were presented in heaven, and forcing everybody to be righteous was not the chosen one.
@TatouSolitaire In a free society we have the freedom to make rules for decency. I consider homosexuality a very real moral problem in our country. I put it right up there with prostitution, adultery, and fornication. I don't know why we need to make a law to make marriage of it legal. Is legitimizing adultery making any sense either? People usually call that cheating and it is FROWNED upon. No one is going to give special benefit to adulterers. Why gays? Why any fornicators then?
@mormonanswerman Of course, I know you will immediately disagree, claiming that SSM indeed has a negative effect. But that is 100% subjective. The key here is measurable. Allowing gays to marry establishes no quantitative or qualitative difference in yours, or any heterosexual marriages - claims of "protecting" marriage abound but there's no threat being made. On a side note, I apologize for my response being made out of order - but you should be able to piece together the train of thought.
@TatouSolitaire Marriage aside, the idea that homosexuality is without very negative and real consequences is denial. Let's not talk of marriage. Let's talk of the AIDS epidemic and where that problem originates. 80% of all cases of AIDS for males in the USA are related to male on male homosexual sex. Women who have AIDS in the USA account for only 20% of the total, and they are 95% heterosexual, indicating that they have unfaithful and GAY practicing male partners who GAVE it to them.
@mormonanswerman (1) Thank you for once again completely ignoring my deconstruction of your argument. Bringing up AIDS is a nice little straw-man argument. But I'll address it anyway. There are several reasons for the over-representation of gay males in AIDS cases. First off, gay sex does not "cause" AIDS. Sexual contact with an infected partner does. Gender of either partner has nothing to do with it. The first major transmissions of the virus started with homosexual partners.
@TatouSolitaire If gay sex does not CAUSE the disease of AIDS (are you playing semantics here? yes), then why would it be primarily and dominantly associated with gay sex? It is.
I am fully aware that AIDS can be introduced into the heterosexual community. It starts with a gay man doing that. Some people think it was done on purpose to female prostitutes, giving it then to hetero adulterers, to gain a wider spread sympathy. But the percentages STILL point to gay sex, 80%.
@TatouSolitaire Forget marriage... allowing gays to perpetuate the AIDS virus without acknowledging that there is a problem with that form of anal sex, etc., and instead focusing on the emotional aspect of marriage for such things, is to ignore that its not only unnatural, but dangerous as well to be a man and to have sex with a man. Its by far a male homosexual problem. There really ought to be a law against willfully spreading that disease around. That's how it seems it should be.
@mormonanswerman (2) Now this does not mean that homosexuality is evil, it just so happens that that's where the transmission started. It could just as easily been transmitted by heterosexual couples. Now, because of this, the disease has had more time to circulate through the homosexual community and grow than it has in the heterosexual community. Secondly, because pregnancy is not a risk with same-sex interactions, homosexual couples are less likely to use protection, contributing to spread.
I also notice that in your channel description, you express a deep admiration for the "American dream of freedom" which you are able to live. With this appreciation for what liberties you have, why is it that you so fiercely advocate to prevent others from enjoying? "No man can serve two masters" - So which will you choose? Christ-like love? Or a showy, impositional religiosity reminiscent of a Rameumptom, approaching the hypocrisy of the Pharisees and Sadducees?
@TatouSolitaire Freedom has bounds. Your freedom to rob my bank is not within the bounds. When immoral people act immoral in public or in a way to improperly influence children, like Anthony Weiner does, that's when people take note and say he does not have the freedom to do that and still be a congressman. A step further is prostitution. We have that as illegal in California, but Nevada is BACKWARDS from the USA on this and make it legal. States have rights to do what they want.
Marriage was traditionally about claiming a man's property (read: wife). And though I disagree that hetero couples are any better than gay parents; we're not talking about taking children out of straight homes... we're talking about taking kids out of foster care, out of orphanages, and off of the streets.
@908381stud I hear that a lot. That very shallow argument that women are all about property. Well, NO, that is not the case. The Bible established marriage in the first place. In that Bible it is clear that God intended marriage to be an equal partnership and that the man and the woman would support each other and cleave to one another and none else. It was intended to be that they would help each other.
Property?? Maybe in some LOWLY cultures now and then. Don't be ridiculous.
@mermaidsareppl222 Marriage before the Bible? Uh, no. That's like saying there were humans before Adam and Eve, and I do not believe it. Evolution is false. Science got it all wrong with that backwards theory that can NOT be proven, but only postulated based on a relatively FEW weird bones dug up, and then to not even show any "inbetweeners", you know, the half chip/half man, and every other variation. They are just not there. But we have the Chimp STILL. Its all false. Like your theory.
@mermaidsareppl222 Bible is MUCH older than that, and I can see your are guessing now. Prophets have been keeping records since the beginning of man 6000+ years ago.
@mormonanswerman I hold to my point... the definition of marriage has never been consistent across times and cultures. Traditional marriage is non-existent; but the trend in the past has been rather misogynistic. The Lord had a progressive idea of what a marriage should be. But Jesus himself never said a word against loving gay couples. Nor did Paul.
@mormonanswerman You know what, I give up... you got me. I'm a sinner. What's a poor sinner to do?
Seriously though... Even if homosexuality is a sin (though I persist that it is not), Jesus died for sinners. Even without the orientation that you disapprove of, I would still rank among the worst of sinners. I praise God daily for the gift of his Son. Because through him I have been saved.
@mormonanswerman So the argument is that Homosexuality is sinful because it's outside of marriage, but they can't get married because it's sinful? That makes a whole lot of sense.
@mormonanswerman You say that homosexuality is corrupt... Prove it.
Also, with kids growing up with male parents or female parents... what is that supposed to do to them? It doesn't increase their likelihood of being gay... only the chance that if they are, they will be better adjusted.
@908381stud Your theory only holds if people are BORN gay, but they are not. This is a choice as much as adultery is a choice, as much as fornication is a choice. You can't say that people are BORN to commit adultery, that's just a cop out. So why do some people say gay acting people are not accountable for their choices, and given them a "born this way" pass? I don't get it. Its bogus.
When a man cheats on his wife, no one ever says "aw give him a break, he was born that way."
@mormonanswerman I need no theory because I have experience... I was born gay. You can't say I wasn't against the facts just because it doesn't fit with your religion. It would be like denying evolution or the big-bang just because... oh wait, sorry ;) What you might not understand is that you were (I assume) born straight.
And, by the way, I do say that about the man who cheats... we were born into sin, it's in our nature. I can't do anything to get rid of my sin. That's why I need Jesus.
@908381stud The fact that you BELIEVE evolution and the "big bang" has prepared you to also be deceived on the matter of homosexuals being born that way. No. Just because Lady GAGA sings this does not make it true. BTW, have you seen what a CREATURE and tool of the adversary she has become as she, like a pied piper, leads many souls down the downward path to sin and extreme debauchery? In other words, the road to hell?
Yeah, she's in your camp. That is not good company.
@908381stud I have experience too. I had a very close friend who TURNED gay, but was doing just fine until he started up his masturbation escapades with himself and from what he said, even with other guys. He studied it, embraced it, and was overtaken by it.... kind of like Anthony Weiner was overtaken by his sins too. Falling into addictions. It always leads to the downfall of people who let sex become their addiction.
Repentance gets RID of your sins. You know nothing of this?
You can talk about taking those kids out of orphanages and into a homosexual house, but that's no better than placing orphans in the home of Anthony Weener and letting him corrupt those kids. Two bad choices. We are talking about will corruption here. Homosexuals now have the right to do what they want with each other, although sodomy USED to be against the law. No one is in favor of purposely corrupting children... and so they try and preach that homosexuality is not corrupt. Oh YES IT IS!
@mermaidsareppl222 Are you kidding me? That's like saying "what's wrong with what Weiner did?" in the scandalous adulterous virtual affairs of that congressman. Do you have any moral foundation, or what is your life like?
By the way why are the comments sections that contain radical right wing agendas to hurt gays always need comments "approved" or simply don't allow comments at all like the shameful and lying prop 8 ads. Yet liberals allow comments far more often? And tell me how my getting married to another man affects you. At all.
@elfred1980 Liberals generally don't have much moral purpose, and I don't like F BOMBS on the comments on my vids, and things like that. If someone is extremely rude or forceful or immoral, etc., they are going to get a block. I don't think that liberals care much about it. ? But I do.
You are premising your arguments so heavily on "marriage comes from the bible", which is actually not even remotely correct - marriage or marriage-like institutions have been recorded in pre-biblical societies, so that's not a valid argument.
"Gays can't do that. Unnatural." Do you also oppose the right of the infertile to marry? Are you actually mormon? Because I was raised mormon and there is nothing to indicate that you are anything but hell-bound.
@TatouSolitaire It is usually the Mormon apostates who are the most appproving and supportive of gay marriage and homosexuality in general. This has been an anecdotal observation of mine when it comes to those who respond to these videos and make comments. It seems the Mormons and those who have quit it are at both ends of the spectrum on this issue, but the Bible is clear, it is an abomination. It is a sinful practice, much like adultery.
@mermaidsareppl222 This really is NOT about homosexuality at all. Its really about people in the world who do NOT respect or believe the Bible, and call it things like buybull, etc. You played your card. Now respect the 1st Amendment and allow religions and adherents of the same to have their rights. The Bible is to be respected MORE, much much MORE, than say homosexuality. At least we have a Bill of Rights that does that. But there is no written right to be a homosexual sinner.
@mormonanswerman Okay, you didn't actually address a single point I made, but whatever, argumentation isn't a necessary component of argument if you approach things from a Biblical standpoint. And you know what I've observed anecdotally? The most approving and supportive are those who have actually had close interaction with homosexual individuals. And that's not just an anecdotal observation, there's data to support it. The Bible is clear on a lot of things. Is shellfish an abomination?
@TatouSolitaire So you are attacking the Law of Moses now? Its done. Its through, and if the Lord commanded it then, what is that to you, now? Its not commanded anymore. It was a test of obedience. So much of this is a test of obedience, and there are many, the homosexual and friends community the most, who do fail these tests from God. You will all see at judgment day, when all people will be judged based on how they did on God's word.
@mormonanswerman And once you declare aspects of the Bible irrelevant, you can no longer credibly use that as a source for argument. See how easy it is to turn the argument back on you? "So you are supporting commandments against homosexuality now? It's done. It's through, and if the Lord commanded it then, what is that to you, now?" When you pick and choose which parts of the bible you support, your credibility falls to pieces.
@TatouSolitaire No, there are only CERTAIN parts of the Old Testament that are no longer in force, because Jesus came along and fulfilled the Law of Moses. So we no longer sacrifice lambs on an alter. Aren't you glad?
But the 10 commandments still stand, and Jesus preached them, for example. Only the Law of Moses, which is very specific, was discontinued as Jesus was the great and last sacrifice. That was the whole reason for the Law of Moses, to point people's worship forward to Christ.
@mormonanswerman Furthermore, the types of "immorality" that can be legally impeded are those which have a distinctly measurable negative effect on society. Robbing a bank has the effect of depriving people of their money - a measurable negative effect. The only definition of morality that the state or federal government can legally act upon is this: "Moral" has a positive effect on society, or mitigates harm, and "immoral" has a negative effect. Same-sex marriage has only a positive effect.
@TatouSolitaire Your anecdotal does not match mine then. I GREW UP with a best friend who turned homosexual after we parted ways. We did date girls together, etc., for a couple of years, and it was all fun, excepting his MANIPULATION and guilt trips. Always trying to make me feel guilty because I did not want to HUG him. He wanted to hug. I didn't understand what it was, but now that he is gay... He wanted to take things farther, so yes, I do know FIRST HAND how manipulative they can be.
@mormonanswerman You also mention having "moral foundation" many times in your argumentation. Now this is an honest question - what is your definition of morality? That is to say, what makes an action morally right or morally wrong?
@TatouSolitaire The worst thing that this friend did in the end was to try and take out his frustrations on me and threw a first punch hard into my chest. That ignited a fire that ended up in him getting the worst of it. You talk about your manipulative BULLIES. He was one. He berated me. He guilt tripped me. He lied repeatedly to me, and in the end, when all of that did not work, he tried to FORCE me into it with fisticuffs.
Yes, I know how it is, and how they have a one track mind.
@mormonanswerman I am slightly astounded at how childish you are. Newsflash: people are imperfect. I know manipulative gays. I know manipulative straights. But I don't categorize all straights as being manipulative because I had one bad experience. You are employing the logical fallacy known as dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter, where you take a special case and apply it to the whole. However, this is only one example of many logical errors in your "arguments".
@TatouSolitaire You remind me of him, even 35 years later. You are being manipulative as well, trying to make all of this gay sin look like my fault. Hint, this 52 year old "child" does not fall for it anymore. No guilt here.
@mormonanswerman I don't think you quite understand what manipulation is, and your accusation that I am trying to make "gay sin" look like "your fault" is senseless and bizarre.
@TatouSolitaire No, I know what manipulation IS, and the gay community is rife with manipulative and insincere and deceptive tactics. Gay Girl In Damascus comes to mind. Just another example in the long long list of dishonest manipulations.
We know you don't REALLY want marriage. You don't care about it. It comes from the Bible anyway. What you want is for others to shut up about talking about gay sex as a sin, and the only (manipulative) way you can "achieve" that is to HIJACK marriage.
@TatouSolitaire My experience has repeated. Putting up this video is a magnet for all I ever thought was true about all this. TRULY, gays employ a TYRANNY of TOLERANCE. They want everyone to be tolerant of their immoral and repugnant behavior, but they don't allow that others will be offended by their behavior and not embrace it. I will never embrace it. I have experienced, many times, that tyranny of tolerance in hate speech that never makes the comments section. You have no idea.
@mormonanswerman @mormonanswerman You don't have to accept homosexuality. You are perfectly entitled to your personal beliefs. However, those beliefs do not provide significant justification for legislation. There is absolutely no evidence to support any claims you make in this video - no real data suggests that legalizing gay marriage will have any effect but a positive one. To make a law barring one group from rights, you need facts.
@TatouSolitaire The biggest FACT that manipulators gloss over is AIDS. There is STILL a huge huge problem with AIDS in the gay community, male on male sex, and they ignore it. But it is a HUGE social problem, and a huge expense on society. 70% of AIDS cases are male homosexuals. 20% are because of drug needles. 10% are heterosexuals. ONLY 10%, and they are probably BI and like to identify as hetero for social acceptance. So you see, its ALL the gay community for the most part. AIDS!!
@elfred1980 Gay people are not happy. You are ignoring the AIDS epidemic and the hundreds of thousands of people that are dieing. Nearly 80% of AIDS cases for men are homosexual. They are the vast majority of the problem. Vast majority. Source for facts on this is AVERT ORG.
MALES, GAY MALES, are the problem. They are FOUR to ONE more cases. The females are vast majority HETEROsexual, indicating that their male partners are GAY. Gay men ARE the problem. Stop the "happiness." It's bad
@mormonanswerman That is completely false. HIV is largely a hetrosexual disease and has been for years. Besides, thats irrelevant anyway- leave gay people alone, and stop trying to slander them.
I read the charts. I read the graphs. These are the conclusions you get from that. 80% of all AIDS cases in the USA for males is because of male on male homosexuality. THAT IS A FACT and I encourage you to go to that website AVERT ORG and look it all up.
You have got to be kidding. You don't have to accept gay people as being born gay in order for it to be proven true. Gay marriage doesn't hurt anyones marriage.
@elfred1980 Since when was marriage about LOVE? Love is about love. But people can get married without being in love. I am sure it happens all the time in arranged marriages world wide. Marriage is NOT about love per se, but it is a binding agreement. So an agreement for what?
Well, in a civilized society it is to establish some legal format for what takes place when a man and a woman have sex and make a baby. What legal relationship is there then, etc. Gays can't do that. Make a baby.
@elfred1980 If gay people say they love each other, then let them be happy with that, if they can. Love doesn't mean that you get married LOL. I love my sons and daughters, and I sure have no intention of ever marrying them. Love isn't about marriage. Marriage is an agreement, a bond, a contract, a promise of what commitment a man and a woman have with each other, and more especially as it relates to the family tree that they will create together BY NATURE.
S0rry Homosexuality are not the same no matter how many times you compare them. All of the prop 8 ads areabout the "gay agenda" (which really doesnt exist)We certainly have seen that there is an anti gay agenda, to spread lies and defamation about gay people so that I will have one less right. How sad. Does the thought of gay people wining their rights make you think of sad music like that video? Almost fell out my chair when i saw that part. You actually feel that way....wow crazy.
@elfred1980 There is TOO a gay agenda. Listen to one of your own who says on QUEERTY website:
“Can We Please Just Start Admitting That We Do Actually Want To Indoctrinate Kids?” “Recruiting children? You bet we are,” writes Villareal.
“Why would we push anti-bullying programs or social studies classes that teach children about the historical contributions of famous queers unless we wanted to deliberately educate children to accept queer sexuality as normal?”
@mormonanswerman You found a "gay website"? THATS Your "proof"?! Come on! Your the one starting a fight because gay people bother you without actually bothering you.
@elfred1980 No, I made this little video to expose the obvious gay agenda trying to change marriage, and guess what, a lot of gays don't like this video and they are the ones starting fights with their words, so what is up with that? Marriage should be able to continue to stand without interference from gays.
@mormonanswerman There is only the anti- gay agenda to limit my rights because of prejudice. You and others started the fight, not us. If you can't take some negative remarks then perhaps you shouldn't have made a lying video in the first place? What you expect to take away my rights- and im not allowed to say anything about it? And marriage shouldn't take any interference from tax free hate organizations. Gays getting married does not interfere with one other persons marriage at all. Fact.
@elfred1980 You don't have rights, man on man, to get married. That is being decided whether the majority want to change the definition of marriage. The religious who believe in the Bible are faithful to God's word and what was revealed in the Bible text on marriage. A man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife and NONE else. That's what it says.
Now how can gays think to change all of that? Its boggling how inconsiderate they are to the religions of mankind.
@mormonanswerman The gays are inconsiderate? Their marriage doesn't change anything about yours. If it does, then you are a completely self centered bitch. Your religion lives onwards even if they allow gay marriage. Our gov is a secular one and it should start acting like it. The bible is a false piece of shit used to control the masses. Stop being retard and feeling like your religion is hurt just because gays can get married. If it does get hurt, then it was weak and useless either way.
@MMaeidlilniAW When does society step in to correct things that it deems are wrong in it? Not race or religion mind you, but moral matters. When does a city council disallow a porn shop next to a school? And for what purpose would they do that? When do schools step in and disallow drugs and smoking? Why don't they allow conjugal visits on campus in private or in public? All these are related to a morality. The kind of morality that homosexuals preach is not there. Oh YES it is!
“And I would very much like for many of these young boys to grow up and start [having sex with] men. I want lots of young ladies to develop into young women who voraciously [have oral sex with women].”
So don't tell me that the comparisons are wrong, or that my arguments are not sound. Yes they are, and we have QUEERTY driving home my point. Stop faking like this is normal. Its not normal, is wrong, and you have people PUSHING this gay AGENDA all over.
@mormonanswerman Thats just insane. Sorry but the only agenda here is the anti-gay agenda to hurt gay people, and using random nonsense like that quote.
God is putting more and more gay people on the earth to show you fuckers that you are all wrong. Love knows no gender. You people say that you aren't hating on the gays, well um actually you are showing hate towards them. Only enemies would try and stop the love we share in our hearts, no matter if it is towards a man or a woman. You mormans just sugar coat it like you do with everything. WE ARE SICK OF IT.
I don't hate people, but I sure do hate bad attitudes, and there is no way that I am going to accept that gay people are "born" that way and can't help themselves, any more than I am going to believe the prostitute in Vegas was born to prostitute and make her money that way... or that an adulterous man just can't help himself because he was "born" to have an excentric libido and over-sexed life.
@mormonanswerman Yeah that's exactly how it is. YOU ARE HATING. You expect us to have a good attitude when you are taking our rights away because of a STUPID book? the bible is just a book. A fictional book that controdicts itself. I don't know why there are so many idiots out ther who believe it. If I could choose to be straight, I would. Do you know how stupid you sound when you say that? we are the gay people! we would know! people like you make me so angry. Idiot.
@Tacoflavoredkiss1 I didn't take away rights you NEVER HAD. You keep saying that, but marriage has ALWAYS been between a man and a woman, because according to nature, when a man and a woman have sex, they make a baby. Marriage is all about the family and what happens when a man and a woman come together and make babies BY NATURE, its natural, and so there is an agreement, a commitment to handle this.
Gays can't make babies, so why do they need this binding agreement, naturally?
@mormonanswerman MARRIAGE IS A HUMAN RIGHT. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR GENDER IS! Yeah it's always been between a man and a woman, but it shouldn't have. This is 2011, it's supposed to be a free country. If I love someone, then I should be able to marry them. Your right, it is about family, but family doesn't always have to include children. Dozens of married couples don't even have children. And yes, gay people can have children. There's adoption, sperm donation, and cerragate mothers. FAMILY.
@ZeMaschinenmensch Yes, I did flunk that. Let me rephrasen it for you and any other scholars of English out there so's it can be understooden.
"Yes, an obvious handicap or birth defect going on there... what's the 2 gay-guys' excuse then? (seeing how they keep saying they are BORN not to be able to have kids)"
Protect marriage from what?! If there will be same-sex marriages it doesn't mean that heterosexual marriages will cease to exist!
And you do not have a monopoly on God and on what he thinks about equal marriage for everyone! It's all about choosing whether you want to be more like Europe or more like Iran. The choice is yours.
Religion has no place in law. The law of this land is secular, America was formed upon the ideal that all are equal.
While I respect your right to believe in any way you wish, I will not respect the attempt of religion to dictate the rights of other citizens who do not hold those same tenants of faith.
Homosexuals do indeed have children, and their families deserve the same protections as those of heterosexuals.
@sabboth42 No religion has its place, and it has influenced just about all laws in one way or another. Even marriage, the idea of it, came from God, as recorded in the BIBLE. You refuse to believe this fact, that marriage originates in the BIBLE and it is thousands of years old and is defined in that book of its ORIGIN as being a binding contract of family between a man and a woman, because they will be one flesh and will MULTIPLY and bring forth children.
@mormonanswerman Marriages were being performed before the bible existed. Sorry, but pagans were performing marriage ceremonies before before christians existed. Egyptians were performing marriages before the bible was dreamed up.
Secondly, your mormon church has a horrid history of civil rights violations and racism. How long ago was it that you started ALLOWING african americans to join the LDS church?
@sabboth42 You know, I know you say that, but there is NO way that you know that, and the Bible record goes back to Adam and Eve, who the majority of people in this world think are the very first humans on the face of this earth. So you are talking about 6000 years ago for them. Marriage was not before that, because there were no humans before that, despite what the evolution bones theories say, they got something extremely wrong in all that, they have botched the science in all of that.
@mormonanswerman And I agree that religion has it's place. But it is not in the law. The law of the United States of America is secular. This country was formed by those seeking to escape religious dictatorship in order to worship freely.
@mormonanswerman Marriage as recognized by the United States is not religious. It is a secular contract that entitles a couple to certain rights, protections, and responsibilities. One need never enter a church or have a personal religion to marry in this country. Stop trying to force your religion onto others.
@mermaidsareppl222 Long before the Bible? The only people who believe that are the people who do NOT believe the Bible or who do not believe in God. They are the godless who think we all descended magically from monkeys, but the evolution theory is so flawed and bogus as to not even be taken seriously except by those who profit in some way by the deception. School books are big business, getting grants is big business, and so is a belief that science has all the answers, which it doesn't.
@mormonanswerman science knows it doesn't have all the answers otherwise it wouldn't need to exist. And the Mormon church is "big business" too, the difference is your big business is tax exempt and has it out for gay people.
@elfred1980 Why is science to dogmatic then? Why does science exclude scientists of alternative thought and viewpoints, even to the BLACK LISTING of scientists that dare to adhere to the very reasonable tenet of intelligent design, even creationism?
The Mormon church spends money on charitable causes, that's all. We also run our churches and pay the electric bills, etc. You got a problem with that? Its all donations. Freely given. Leave it alone. 1st Amendment protects religion dude.
@elfred1980 If I pay my taxes and then give to a church, the church should never have to pay taxes again, since the money was donated. That would be a double tax. That's why churches don't pay taxes, even churches that teach the TRUTH that gay sex is immoral and wrong. we will always teach that because it is biblical and the scriptures are true. We have 1st Amendment rights that say you can't do a thing to INFRINGE on the free exercise of religion. Thank God for smart Founding Fathers.
@mormonanswerman Guess what? I pay my taxes too so does every other gay person we are citizens too. And saying gay sex is wrong in capital letters doesn't make you right- its not wrong at all and its also none of your business. And no, religious organizations are tax exempt since they are religious and for no other reason. A pro gay rights (read: pro decency) rights group can't use the argument that its members individually pay taxes otherwise they are double taxed...
@mormonanswerman Founding fathers were mainly deist and exercise of free religion protects all religions. It is to give people a choice, but not to protect a religion. The gov. is also secular so your religious teaching shouldn't be a part of it you retarded bible bitch. Prove to me that the bible is true. Prove to me god is real. You have no evidence, so it makes your teachings completely false and hurtful to the intelligence level of mankind.
@mermaidsareppl222 The Bible says PLAINLY that no man knows the hour or the day, etc. that Jesus will come again, or in other words, the end of the world. The scriptures say that. 99.9999990% of all Christians know this New Testament declaration of Jesus Christ, so you bringing up this ANOMALY guy trying to calculate it and getting it wrong, he is an anomaly and goes against the scripture of Jesus Christ to even try to do what he did. No wonder he failed and qualifies as a false prophet.
@mermaidsareppl222 I did. I didn't think it a big deal since the Bible is clear on the fact that NO ONE knows the day of the end. It says that. Why this guy is trying to predict it, is only a testimony that he does NOT believe the Bible and what Jesus said on that one. No man knows the day, ONLY the Father.
Don't bring god into this. How do you know I'm not athiest? And besides, you can't say that GOD told you to do this, GOD teaches that everyone be nice to eachother, and courteous of eachother's decisions, there's nothing in the ten commandments that says gay people cannot marry. And no, they can't have children, but they can adopt children that people who could didn't want.By the way, though I'm NOT atheist, I am unitarian, so I respect your religious beliefs enough to not tell you you're wrong.
I'm disappointed in anyone who calls themselves an ADULT that voted yes on this. I am a kid, and I know this is wrong. You know the message you're sending to kids? That they can discriminate against those who do not have the same ideas of things as they do. What about the children of gay couples? You're telling them 'oh, I'm so sorry, but you don't have what you need. This isn't a real family.' What are you going to do next? Take all of them out of those families?
@msgnome98 The message I send to all people, not just kids, is that there is a God above, He is our Father in Heaven, and He set up this earth to test us and gave commandments. Among those commandments is the charge to multiply and replenish the earth through marriage. He started marriage between a man and a woman. You can read Genesis in the Bible for that, as well as Jesus later on in the New Testament as He addressed it too.
Gays can't have kids, its against nature, against God.
@mormonanswerman If you're going to talk about religion, at least make a reasonable argument. What about black people? The Bible says whites are above them... So why are we persecuting gays and not blacks? Hmmm...
@mermaidsareppl222 No, that you even think that is the truth. God doesn't force Himself on you because of His love for our free agency. What is sad is your close mindedness that keeps you from discovering the truth that He does exist and answers prayers and gives the peace that we all seek in life. You are missing this, and focusing on animals. That makes the animals your false god.
@mermaidsareppl222 The Bible records that Jesus said that no man knows the last day, the day of the coming of Jesus Christ. So why was this man predicting it? He was an ANOMALY.
I am not sure you ever believed as I do one time in your life. If you did, you would still be like me then, because I REALLY DO believe in God. I know He exists and He does answer prayers and gives peace and assurance. It is just a great thing, and makes life much more worth it.
Actually, forget my comment to you. I don't like being forced into your kind of sensorship. An open debate would atleast land you a mental thumbs up. Turning off ratings and open discussions doesn't give you credit.
theoldbat40 6 months ago
@theoldbat40 Just a SPAM control, and a way to weed out hateful comments, because I have found that some gays and lesbians can be pretty hurtful in trying to get their one-sided points across, and resort to all kinds of creative PROFANITY.
I am not the least bit afraid of this whole debate, because we keep winning it on logic alone, let alone the Bible. Logic says its a crime against nature that humans would forsake the procreative process for "pleaasure?" That's just wrong.
mormonanswerman 6 months ago
Theyr'e not more selfish than anyone wanting to marry their partner. The world is not a constant - dictionaries have been changed all the time, but I guess the previous changes didn't affect you or your religion? All of your arguments are based on a view colored by your religion. I've yet to see anyone come up with a rational argument based on facts to support your personal (and selfish) reasons to not allow gays to have a legal marriage.
theoldbat40 6 months ago
Religion should NEVER be a basis for changing the law considering there are multiple religions with different views and some people with no religion at all.
TheAnnoyingThing1915 6 months ago
@TheAnnoyingThing1915 You're right, but the Bill of Rights means something in the USA. No one can change the definitions of what religion stands for, and that's why marriage should be OFF the table. Its like government is unconstitutionally trying to INFRINGE on the rights of Americans in some states to practice their religion, and the government is trying to redefine, BY LAWS, what is a sin or not. That's just plain wrong. Get OUT of the morality definitions business. It belongs to RELIGION
mormonanswerman 6 months ago
Stop thinking about gays so much, you closet homo.
hroark91 7 months ago 2
@hroark91 #LOL we would not even be having this discussion if gays were not so bent on trying to destroy religion. They are seeking to change marriage into something abominable. I am not obsessed with gays, gays are obsessed with ruining marriage, and as a US citizen and I am standing up for my 1st Amendment rights of religion, and to protect it, and to protect marriage.
I don't even want to THINK about what it means to be a homosexual. It truly disgusts me. I do not accept it.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman Can you establish any way, any way at all, in which same-sex marriage would be deleterious to heterosexual marriage? Until you can do that, you aren't "protecting" marriage. And what of religions that believe that homosexual couples in love SHOULD be married? Why do they not have the same right?
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire Simply, those religions ARE of the devil, and I truly mean that. An EVIL religion that says gay marriage is OK. For one, its immoral. Two, it is not supported by the Bible in any sense of even the imagination. It is entirely a made up FAD of the 21st century.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman they arent trying to destroy your religion
or trying to turn marriage into something "abominable"
nor are they trying to ruin marriage
and where does it say you have the right to "protect marriage"?
mermaidsareppl222 7 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 I disagree.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@hroark91 If you guys wouldn't write to me so much, I could stop thinking about it. But you keep making comments and false statements. I am bound to respond to much of this nonsense. Why don't you just stop sinning and mocking God, and that would be a good start.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
Ex-NY Giant David Tyree Says Gay Marriage Could Lead U.S. Down Path Toward ‘Anarchy’
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman Yes, because NFL players are our leading sources of accurate political predictions. He also showed a startling lack of knowledge of the history of marriage, asserting that it hasn't changed in thousands of years, if I remember correctly.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire You absolutely know nothing of the history of marriage. Until you begin to believe in God and in the truth of the Bible, and of Adam and Eve, and God starting all that, you are going to be deceived by emotional pleas towards embracing debauchery.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman Sorry, I choose instead to believe in archeological evidence that shows marriage-like institutions existing in societies older than the bible. Of course, your pride will not let you accept those as being true, so let me put it this way: Even if the earth is only as old as 6,000 years, and the bible always existed, it was not always in circulation - there was the period where it was being written, as well as societies where its influence had not spread.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire Archaeology! In bed with the evolutionists. Marriage was started by God in the beginning of this world, with a man and a woman he named Adam and Eve, whom he placed here. I am not going to believe any other story, especially if its just some THEORY from a scientist or an archaeologist who got the dates wrong, because their dating system is flawed. Its obviously flawed, because they are always talking about the movements of people BEFORE there were any people. Not buying that
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman I mean, mainland Africa had no christian influence whatsoever until Dutch conquerers came, and that's more than 5,000 years of the earth's life, according to your calendar. And yet, marriage has been observed in some of those areas. Same thing with areas of mainland Asia.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire All just THEORIES. How do you possibly know if they are true are not? Its just a wishful think.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman And once again, you missed the entire point of the post. Let's say for the sake of argument that the bible is the only reason marriage exists; well, marriage has STILL changed, in countless ways. They are in some cases legal changes, such as miscegenation or the no-fault divorce law, fluid changes such as the rising divorce rate, and less-definable changes in the character of the marriage and the interaction between spouses. It changes all the time.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire I don't even care about government "marriage" licensing. I really don't. They also made abortion legal. That does not change my position that abortion is murder and people who do it are going to be sent to hell unless they repent, IF they can repent of it. God will be the judge. But there is no way that I accept abortion even though the government or supreme court rules on it. They will go to hell for that, it was a wicked ruling. Same with gay marriage.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman the truth of the bible is that the bible is not truthful
and that there is no god
once you realize that youll realize how wrong religion si
mermaidsareppl222 7 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 You are all atheists, aren't you? That explains the confusion on your side of the argument.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
(6) It's not like by preventing gays from marrying, you are preventing them from "being gay". If anything, gay marriage will reduce the spread of AIDS because it will reinforce monogamous sexual relations (seeing as having multiple partners is the biggest factor of contracting AIDS). And ALL this notwithstanding, you have STILL not addressed the fact that you cannot logically or legally impede same-sex marriage. You have put up a lot of objections but not a case.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire I am not interested in trying to stop AIDS, I am only pointing out the obvious connections of gay men to AIDS and the cause is there because of the overwhelming 80% + of cases being associated with gay sex. There you go. It is a fact, and you should familiarize yourself with the websites publishing these facts, because it seems that you are missing the point. Gay sex is BAD for America, for the world. There are DISEASES directly associated with it, because of it.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman There is a concept that you seem to really struggle with. Let me break it down for you:
STI's are spread by sexual contact with an INFECTED PARTNER. The gender of the infected partner does not matter, nor does the gender of the uninfected partner. If neither partner is infected, no amount of sexual contact between the two IN THEIR LIFETIME will cause an STI. Mutual lifetime monogamy means that even a gay male, "causing" so much disease as you say, will remain healthy.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire It all started with GAYS and bath houses and RAMPANT immorality and addiction to sex, even sex on demand by MEN. They started it and spread it. Even still, they account for over 80% of the problem of its current spreading... and that is a fact that I have looked up and researched, so I do know its still the gay men who are doing this. They are addicted.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman You sir, are so misinformed it is hilarious. HIV/AIDS does not come about as a result of gay sex, but as a result of UNPROTECTED SEX BETWEEN ANY TWO INDIVIDUALS (given that one of the sexual partners is a already carrier and enough bodily fluids are exchanged). You are right that young gay men are particularly affected by it (in the UK/USA that is), but is not because gay sex is "associated" (whatever the hell you mean by that) with HIV/AIDS....
PenguinOfDestiny 7 months ago
@PenguinOfDestiny duh, but it is being SPREAD in 80% of all cases by GAY MEN today. That's a fact, and it is a fact that they are having condomless sex, but even with a condom it is not protected, not if you are going to hell for sins its not.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire I am not trying to prevent a man from being gay. I am interested, in putting up this video, in preserving and protecting marriage from the assault that is now upon it, to try and get government to change it, to corrupt it, from its long standing sacred and biblical installment to the earth. Marriage started as a commandment from GOD, and it is in the first chapters of the Bible in Genesis. Read that.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman I am restraining myself from swearing because I understand that you find that offensive, as well as the fact that it may give you an irrational reason to discount my arguments. But goodness, this is ridiculous. Stop ignoring my arguments. It's like you only read the first two lines of any given post. Once again, your BELIEF that marriage started as a commandment from god is not sufficient legal justification to bar marriage. Once again you present NO CASE.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire The facts are that 80% of the AIDS cases in the USA are caused and spread currently by GAY MEN. You can DISTRACT from this by saying things such as "it is spread by an infected partner" as if to make it mainstream and a heterosexual problem. No, it is not. Please study. Please research. I did. The facts are in, and this is one health reason why gay sex should be OUTLAWED since there is so much problem with it and people are dying all over because of it.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman marriage was not started by your fraud
or the book written by man about said fraud
marriage came along long before religion, and religion seems to think they own it, when they dont
mermaidsareppl222 7 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 I don't believe ANY of the polls that say things are swinging your way with gay marriage being accepted. Not in my world, I do not see it. Even the President as liberal as he is will not own up to it to please many of his constituents, BECAUSE they too know that the majority is NOT with that idea. Why should they be? Religion does take precedence over your preferences, the preferences of a MINORITY, because we have the 1st Amendment protection for exercise of religion.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
(4) Furthermore, the claim that the AIDS epidemic is proof of homosexuality being "sinful" is not a logical conclusion. Let's break it down:
Disease A is bad. Disease A tends to affect group A over others. Therefore, group A is sinful.
Malaria is bad. Malaria tends to affect Africans over others - does that imply to you that being African is inherently sinful? If it doesn't, I would hope you recognize that it doesn't make sense in your claims either. If it does, something is very wrong.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire I never said that AIDS is God's punishment to Gays. I never said that. I only said it is being SPREAD by Gays, and that is the truth.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman If that's the case, why do you bring it up in an argument concerning same-sex marriage?
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
So your sense of what is right is simply "what the bible says"? Do you realize that even the leaders of the LDS Church have stated that we should never follow blindly? And now I pose another question: Are the things in the bible moral because god commands them? Or does he command them because they are moral?
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire I am not following blindly. I do know that God is real, He does exist, and He does answer prayers. Once people get to this point in their lives, they don't question everything God says through His prophets and Jesus Christ as well, but they learn to embrace it and strive to get line with that. There are more people in the world trying to do this than those who don't. Many more.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman (5) Now your claim that heterosexual females contracting the virus are getting it from homosexual partners is preposterous. There is absolutely no way you can support that claim with any data, and it doesn't make sense. But let's say, for the sake of argument, that it's true. How would legalizing gay marriage have a negative impact? Theoretically, it would draw those "secret gays" out into the open and they would no longer be transmitting the virus to females.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire It is common sense.
If women, who are heterosexual, are getting AIDS, and they are not taking drugs by needle, then they are getting it from the partner, who is obviously infected by an outside source, which is obviously another GAY man... it is common sense, easy logical deduction. Its like a simple math problem which you refuse to solve, because you are biased, looking for an out, but there is no out. Gay men are spreading this disease. PERIOD.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman Why are you trying? You've already sinned and fallen short of the righteousness of God. There's no point in continuing to fuel your pride with the false hope that "you can do it." You can't. By Christ came grace by faith. In the end, God does not care if you're gay or straight, white or black, male female or other. All He cares about is whether we have received the free gift of the Gospel of Christ. I am gay, I am a sinner... Buy, by God, I am saved!
908381stud 7 months ago
@908381stud So yours is the gospel of anything goes?
God does care. That's why there is a judgment day. You are right that He does not care if we are black, white, male or female when it comes to judgment day, but you mix that gay stuff in there. That's like saying God does not care if we are black, white, prostitute, adulterers, fornicators, liars, cheats, or thieves. And it is very very wrong. You are not saved in your sins. You are saved FROM your sins and that requires REPENTANCE.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman My friend, you do not understand the Gospel of Christ. We are all condemned under the Law (Romans 3). Adam was condemned for eating a fruit... and he was no better than his son Cain for sin. The justification that comes through Christ by faith in Him reaches us as sinners. No one has ever earned or been worthy of salvation (save Jesus). I have been saved from death by Grace... who cares about sins when Jesus has cast them away?
908381stud 7 months ago
@908381stud 2 Nephi 28:9 Yea, and there shall be many which shall teach after this manner, false and vain and foolish doctrines, and shall be puffed up in their hearts, and shall seek deep to hide their counsels from the Lord; and their works shall be in the dark.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman you think he is real
and what other fictional creatures do you "know" are real?
mermaidsareppl222 7 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 Mormon 9: 2 Behold, will ye believe in the day of your visitation—behold, when the Lord shall come, yea, even that great day when the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, yea, in that great day when ye shall be brought to stand before the Lamb of God—then will ye say that there is no God?
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
According to your own scriptures, Christ presented his gospel but offered all men the choice - he did not force his beliefs or lifestyle on any person. So how is it that you feel justified doing just that - enforcing your code of morality? Remember, two plans were presented in heaven, and forcing everybody to be righteous was not the chosen one.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire In a free society we have the freedom to make rules for decency. I consider homosexuality a very real moral problem in our country. I put it right up there with prostitution, adultery, and fornication. I don't know why we need to make a law to make marriage of it legal. Is legitimizing adultery making any sense either? People usually call that cheating and it is FROWNED upon. No one is going to give special benefit to adulterers. Why gays? Why any fornicators then?
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman Of course, I know you will immediately disagree, claiming that SSM indeed has a negative effect. But that is 100% subjective. The key here is measurable. Allowing gays to marry establishes no quantitative or qualitative difference in yours, or any heterosexual marriages - claims of "protecting" marriage abound but there's no threat being made. On a side note, I apologize for my response being made out of order - but you should be able to piece together the train of thought.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire Marriage aside, the idea that homosexuality is without very negative and real consequences is denial. Let's not talk of marriage. Let's talk of the AIDS epidemic and where that problem originates. 80% of all cases of AIDS for males in the USA are related to male on male homosexual sex. Women who have AIDS in the USA account for only 20% of the total, and they are 95% heterosexual, indicating that they have unfaithful and GAY practicing male partners who GAVE it to them.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman (1) Thank you for once again completely ignoring my deconstruction of your argument. Bringing up AIDS is a nice little straw-man argument. But I'll address it anyway. There are several reasons for the over-representation of gay males in AIDS cases. First off, gay sex does not "cause" AIDS. Sexual contact with an infected partner does. Gender of either partner has nothing to do with it. The first major transmissions of the virus started with homosexual partners.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire If gay sex does not CAUSE the disease of AIDS (are you playing semantics here? yes), then why would it be primarily and dominantly associated with gay sex? It is.
I am fully aware that AIDS can be introduced into the heterosexual community. It starts with a gay man doing that. Some people think it was done on purpose to female prostitutes, giving it then to hetero adulterers, to gain a wider spread sympathy. But the percentages STILL point to gay sex, 80%.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire Forget marriage... allowing gays to perpetuate the AIDS virus without acknowledging that there is a problem with that form of anal sex, etc., and instead focusing on the emotional aspect of marriage for such things, is to ignore that its not only unnatural, but dangerous as well to be a man and to have sex with a man. Its by far a male homosexual problem. There really ought to be a law against willfully spreading that disease around. That's how it seems it should be.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman (2) Now this does not mean that homosexuality is evil, it just so happens that that's where the transmission started. It could just as easily been transmitted by heterosexual couples. Now, because of this, the disease has had more time to circulate through the homosexual community and grow than it has in the heterosexual community. Secondly, because pregnancy is not a risk with same-sex interactions, homosexual couples are less likely to use protection, contributing to spread.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire No, homosexuality is definitely evil and spiritually destructive.
Any gay man who is trying to rationalize that being a homosexual is a good thing has to first dismiss and discount many commandments of God.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
I also notice that in your channel description, you express a deep admiration for the "American dream of freedom" which you are able to live. With this appreciation for what liberties you have, why is it that you so fiercely advocate to prevent others from enjoying? "No man can serve two masters" - So which will you choose? Christ-like love? Or a showy, impositional religiosity reminiscent of a Rameumptom, approaching the hypocrisy of the Pharisees and Sadducees?
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire Freedom has bounds. Your freedom to rob my bank is not within the bounds. When immoral people act immoral in public or in a way to improperly influence children, like Anthony Weiner does, that's when people take note and say he does not have the freedom to do that and still be a congressman. A step further is prostitution. We have that as illegal in California, but Nevada is BACKWARDS from the USA on this and make it legal. States have rights to do what they want.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
Marriage was traditionally about claiming a man's property (read: wife). And though I disagree that hetero couples are any better than gay parents; we're not talking about taking children out of straight homes... we're talking about taking kids out of foster care, out of orphanages, and off of the streets.
908381stud 8 months ago
@908381stud I hear that a lot. That very shallow argument that women are all about property. Well, NO, that is not the case. The Bible established marriage in the first place. In that Bible it is clear that God intended marriage to be an equal partnership and that the man and the woman would support each other and cleave to one another and none else. It was intended to be that they would help each other.
Property?? Maybe in some LOWLY cultures now and then. Don't be ridiculous.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman the concept (and the word) marriage came around long before the bible
so to claim otherwise is incorrect
mermaidsareppl222 7 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 Marriage before the Bible? Uh, no. That's like saying there were humans before Adam and Eve, and I do not believe it. Evolution is false. Science got it all wrong with that backwards theory that can NOT be proven, but only postulated based on a relatively FEW weird bones dug up, and then to not even show any "inbetweeners", you know, the half chip/half man, and every other variation. They are just not there. But we have the Chimp STILL. Its all false. Like your theory.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman bible came around 2000 years ago
marriage was around long before that
so i am correct
evolution is not a "backwards theory"
mermaidsareppl222 7 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 Bible is MUCH older than that, and I can see your are guessing now. Prophets have been keeping records since the beginning of man 6000+ years ago.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman I hold to my point... the definition of marriage has never been consistent across times and cultures. Traditional marriage is non-existent; but the trend in the past has been rather misogynistic. The Lord had a progressive idea of what a marriage should be. But Jesus himself never said a word against loving gay couples. Nor did Paul.
908381stud 7 months ago
@908381stud Jesus has revealed that sex outside marriage is SIN. Homosexuality fits right in with that.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman You know what, I give up... you got me. I'm a sinner. What's a poor sinner to do?
Seriously though... Even if homosexuality is a sin (though I persist that it is not), Jesus died for sinners. Even without the orientation that you disapprove of, I would still rank among the worst of sinners. I praise God daily for the gift of his Son. Because through him I have been saved.
908381stud 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman ... I'm afraid Jesus only talked about lusting after women. Dude, I'm safe! j/k... what is your reference?
908381stud 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman So the argument is that Homosexuality is sinful because it's outside of marriage, but they can't get married because it's sinful? That makes a whole lot of sense.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman You say that homosexuality is corrupt... Prove it.
Also, with kids growing up with male parents or female parents... what is that supposed to do to them? It doesn't increase their likelihood of being gay... only the chance that if they are, they will be better adjusted.
908381stud 7 months ago
@908381stud Your theory only holds if people are BORN gay, but they are not. This is a choice as much as adultery is a choice, as much as fornication is a choice. You can't say that people are BORN to commit adultery, that's just a cop out. So why do some people say gay acting people are not accountable for their choices, and given them a "born this way" pass? I don't get it. Its bogus.
When a man cheats on his wife, no one ever says "aw give him a break, he was born that way."
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman I need no theory because I have experience... I was born gay. You can't say I wasn't against the facts just because it doesn't fit with your religion. It would be like denying evolution or the big-bang just because... oh wait, sorry ;) What you might not understand is that you were (I assume) born straight.
And, by the way, I do say that about the man who cheats... we were born into sin, it's in our nature. I can't do anything to get rid of my sin. That's why I need Jesus.
908381stud 7 months ago
@908381stud The fact that you BELIEVE evolution and the "big bang" has prepared you to also be deceived on the matter of homosexuals being born that way. No. Just because Lady GAGA sings this does not make it true. BTW, have you seen what a CREATURE and tool of the adversary she has become as she, like a pied piper, leads many souls down the downward path to sin and extreme debauchery? In other words, the road to hell?
Yeah, she's in your camp. That is not good company.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@908381stud I have experience too. I had a very close friend who TURNED gay, but was doing just fine until he started up his masturbation escapades with himself and from what he said, even with other guys. He studied it, embraced it, and was overtaken by it.... kind of like Anthony Weiner was overtaken by his sins too. Falling into addictions. It always leads to the downfall of people who let sex become their addiction.
Repentance gets RID of your sins. You know nothing of this?
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman "masturbation escapades"??? You sir, are hilarious!! LOL
PenguinOfDestiny 7 months ago
@PenguinOfDestiny Yes it would be funny, sounds funny, but its not, if it weren't so true.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
You can talk about taking those kids out of orphanages and into a homosexual house, but that's no better than placing orphans in the home of Anthony Weener and letting him corrupt those kids. Two bad choices. We are talking about will corruption here. Homosexuals now have the right to do what they want with each other, although sodomy USED to be against the law. No one is in favor of purposely corrupting children... and so they try and preach that homosexuality is not corrupt. Oh YES IT IS!
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman how is homosexuality "corrupt"?
mermaidsareppl222 7 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 Are you kidding me? That's like saying "what's wrong with what Weiner did?" in the scandalous adulterous virtual affairs of that congressman. Do you have any moral foundation, or what is your life like?
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
By the way why are the comments sections that contain radical right wing agendas to hurt gays always need comments "approved" or simply don't allow comments at all like the shameful and lying prop 8 ads. Yet liberals allow comments far more often? And tell me how my getting married to another man affects you. At all.
elfred1980 8 months ago
@elfred1980 Liberals generally don't have much moral purpose, and I don't like F BOMBS on the comments on my vids, and things like that. If someone is extremely rude or forceful or immoral, etc., they are going to get a block. I don't think that liberals care much about it. ? But I do.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
You are premising your arguments so heavily on "marriage comes from the bible", which is actually not even remotely correct - marriage or marriage-like institutions have been recorded in pre-biblical societies, so that's not a valid argument.
"Gays can't do that. Unnatural." Do you also oppose the right of the infertile to marry? Are you actually mormon? Because I was raised mormon and there is nothing to indicate that you are anything but hell-bound.
TatouSolitaire 8 months ago
@TatouSolitaire It is usually the Mormon apostates who are the most appproving and supportive of gay marriage and homosexuality in general. This has been an anecdotal observation of mine when it comes to those who respond to these videos and make comments. It seems the Mormons and those who have quit it are at both ends of the spectrum on this issue, but the Bible is clear, it is an abomination. It is a sinful practice, much like adultery.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman the buybull also claims eating shellfish and pork is a sin
yet no one goes after them
because they are hypocrites
mermaidsareppl222 7 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 This really is NOT about homosexuality at all. Its really about people in the world who do NOT respect or believe the Bible, and call it things like buybull, etc. You played your card. Now respect the 1st Amendment and allow religions and adherents of the same to have their rights. The Bible is to be respected MORE, much much MORE, than say homosexuality. At least we have a Bill of Rights that does that. But there is no written right to be a homosexual sinner.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
I could show it the respect it deserves but I don't like using those words
last I checked you don't have the right to discriminate in the name of a god
mermaidsareppl222 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman Okay, you didn't actually address a single point I made, but whatever, argumentation isn't a necessary component of argument if you approach things from a Biblical standpoint. And you know what I've observed anecdotally? The most approving and supportive are those who have actually had close interaction with homosexual individuals. And that's not just an anecdotal observation, there's data to support it. The Bible is clear on a lot of things. Is shellfish an abomination?
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire So you are attacking the Law of Moses now? Its done. Its through, and if the Lord commanded it then, what is that to you, now? Its not commanded anymore. It was a test of obedience. So much of this is a test of obedience, and there are many, the homosexual and friends community the most, who do fail these tests from God. You will all see at judgment day, when all people will be judged based on how they did on God's word.
I will address your other questions now...
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman And once you declare aspects of the Bible irrelevant, you can no longer credibly use that as a source for argument. See how easy it is to turn the argument back on you? "So you are supporting commandments against homosexuality now? It's done. It's through, and if the Lord commanded it then, what is that to you, now?" When you pick and choose which parts of the bible you support, your credibility falls to pieces.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire No, there are only CERTAIN parts of the Old Testament that are no longer in force, because Jesus came along and fulfilled the Law of Moses. So we no longer sacrifice lambs on an alter. Aren't you glad?
But the 10 commandments still stand, and Jesus preached them, for example. Only the Law of Moses, which is very specific, was discontinued as Jesus was the great and last sacrifice. That was the whole reason for the Law of Moses, to point people's worship forward to Christ.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman Furthermore, the types of "immorality" that can be legally impeded are those which have a distinctly measurable negative effect on society. Robbing a bank has the effect of depriving people of their money - a measurable negative effect. The only definition of morality that the state or federal government can legally act upon is this: "Moral" has a positive effect on society, or mitigates harm, and "immoral" has a negative effect. Same-sex marriage has only a positive effect.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire Your anecdotal does not match mine then. I GREW UP with a best friend who turned homosexual after we parted ways. We did date girls together, etc., for a couple of years, and it was all fun, excepting his MANIPULATION and guilt trips. Always trying to make me feel guilty because I did not want to HUG him. He wanted to hug. I didn't understand what it was, but now that he is gay... He wanted to take things farther, so yes, I do know FIRST HAND how manipulative they can be.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman You also mention having "moral foundation" many times in your argumentation. Now this is an honest question - what is your definition of morality? That is to say, what makes an action morally right or morally wrong?
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire What the Bible says.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire The worst thing that this friend did in the end was to try and take out his frustrations on me and threw a first punch hard into my chest. That ignited a fire that ended up in him getting the worst of it. You talk about your manipulative BULLIES. He was one. He berated me. He guilt tripped me. He lied repeatedly to me, and in the end, when all of that did not work, he tried to FORCE me into it with fisticuffs.
Yes, I know how it is, and how they have a one track mind.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman I am slightly astounded at how childish you are. Newsflash: people are imperfect. I know manipulative gays. I know manipulative straights. But I don't categorize all straights as being manipulative because I had one bad experience. You are employing the logical fallacy known as dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter, where you take a special case and apply it to the whole. However, this is only one example of many logical errors in your "arguments".
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire You remind me of him, even 35 years later. You are being manipulative as well, trying to make all of this gay sin look like my fault. Hint, this 52 year old "child" does not fall for it anymore. No guilt here.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman I don't think you quite understand what manipulation is, and your accusation that I am trying to make "gay sin" look like "your fault" is senseless and bizarre.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire No, I know what manipulation IS, and the gay community is rife with manipulative and insincere and deceptive tactics. Gay Girl In Damascus comes to mind. Just another example in the long long list of dishonest manipulations.
We know you don't REALLY want marriage. You don't care about it. It comes from the Bible anyway. What you want is for others to shut up about talking about gay sex as a sin, and the only (manipulative) way you can "achieve" that is to HIJACK marriage.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire My experience has repeated. Putting up this video is a magnet for all I ever thought was true about all this. TRULY, gays employ a TYRANNY of TOLERANCE. They want everyone to be tolerant of their immoral and repugnant behavior, but they don't allow that others will be offended by their behavior and not embrace it. I will never embrace it. I have experienced, many times, that tyranny of tolerance in hate speech that never makes the comments section. You have no idea.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman @mormonanswerman You don't have to accept homosexuality. You are perfectly entitled to your personal beliefs. However, those beliefs do not provide significant justification for legislation. There is absolutely no evidence to support any claims you make in this video - no real data suggests that legalizing gay marriage will have any effect but a positive one. To make a law barring one group from rights, you need facts.
TatouSolitaire 7 months ago
@TatouSolitaire The biggest FACT that manipulators gloss over is AIDS. There is STILL a huge huge problem with AIDS in the gay community, male on male sex, and they ignore it. But it is a HUGE social problem, and a huge expense on society. 70% of AIDS cases are male homosexuals. 20% are because of drug needles. 10% are heterosexuals. ONLY 10%, and they are probably BI and like to identify as hetero for social acceptance. So you see, its ALL the gay community for the most part. AIDS!!
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
The sad music is a nice touch too. oh no! Happy gay people! RUN!
elfred1980 8 months ago
@elfred1980 Gay people are not happy. You are ignoring the AIDS epidemic and the hundreds of thousands of people that are dieing. Nearly 80% of AIDS cases for men are homosexual. They are the vast majority of the problem. Vast majority. Source for facts on this is AVERT ORG.
MALES, GAY MALES, are the problem. They are FOUR to ONE more cases. The females are vast majority HETEROsexual, indicating that their male partners are GAY. Gay men ARE the problem. Stop the "happiness." It's bad
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman That is completely false. HIV is largely a hetrosexual disease and has been for years. Besides, thats irrelevant anyway- leave gay people alone, and stop trying to slander them.
elfred1980 7 months ago
@elfred1980 AVERT ORG
I read the charts. I read the graphs. These are the conclusions you get from that. 80% of all AIDS cases in the USA for males is because of male on male homosexuality. THAT IS A FACT and I encourage you to go to that website AVERT ORG and look it all up.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
You have got to be kidding. You don't have to accept gay people as being born gay in order for it to be proven true. Gay marriage doesn't hurt anyones marriage.
elfred1980 8 months ago
@elfred1980 Since when was marriage about LOVE? Love is about love. But people can get married without being in love. I am sure it happens all the time in arranged marriages world wide. Marriage is NOT about love per se, but it is a binding agreement. So an agreement for what?
Well, in a civilized society it is to establish some legal format for what takes place when a man and a woman have sex and make a baby. What legal relationship is there then, etc. Gays can't do that. Make a baby.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@elfred1980 If gay people say they love each other, then let them be happy with that, if they can. Love doesn't mean that you get married LOL. I love my sons and daughters, and I sure have no intention of ever marrying them. Love isn't about marriage. Marriage is an agreement, a bond, a contract, a promise of what commitment a man and a woman have with each other, and more especially as it relates to the family tree that they will create together BY NATURE.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
S0rry Homosexuality are not the same no matter how many times you compare them. All of the prop 8 ads areabout the "gay agenda" (which really doesnt exist)We certainly have seen that there is an anti gay agenda, to spread lies and defamation about gay people so that I will have one less right. How sad. Does the thought of gay people wining their rights make you think of sad music like that video? Almost fell out my chair when i saw that part. You actually feel that way....wow crazy.
elfred1980 8 months ago
@elfred1980 There is TOO a gay agenda. Listen to one of your own who says on QUEERTY website:
“Can We Please Just Start Admitting That We Do Actually Want To Indoctrinate Kids?” “Recruiting children? You bet we are,” writes Villareal.
“Why would we push anti-bullying programs or social studies classes that teach children about the historical contributions of famous queers unless we wanted to deliberately educate children to accept queer sexuality as normal?”
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman You found a "gay website"? THATS Your "proof"?! Come on! Your the one starting a fight because gay people bother you without actually bothering you.
elfred1980 8 months ago
@elfred1980 No, I made this little video to expose the obvious gay agenda trying to change marriage, and guess what, a lot of gays don't like this video and they are the ones starting fights with their words, so what is up with that? Marriage should be able to continue to stand without interference from gays.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman There is only the anti- gay agenda to limit my rights because of prejudice. You and others started the fight, not us. If you can't take some negative remarks then perhaps you shouldn't have made a lying video in the first place? What you expect to take away my rights- and im not allowed to say anything about it? And marriage shouldn't take any interference from tax free hate organizations. Gays getting married does not interfere with one other persons marriage at all. Fact.
elfred1980 8 months ago
@elfred1980 You don't have rights, man on man, to get married. That is being decided whether the majority want to change the definition of marriage. The religious who believe in the Bible are faithful to God's word and what was revealed in the Bible text on marriage. A man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife and NONE else. That's what it says.
Now how can gays think to change all of that? Its boggling how inconsiderate they are to the religions of mankind.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman The gays are inconsiderate? Their marriage doesn't change anything about yours. If it does, then you are a completely self centered bitch. Your religion lives onwards even if they allow gay marriage. Our gov is a secular one and it should start acting like it. The bible is a false piece of shit used to control the masses. Stop being retard and feeling like your religion is hurt just because gays can get married. If it does get hurt, then it was weak and useless either way.
MMaeidlilniAW 7 months ago
@MMaeidlilniAW When does society step in to correct things that it deems are wrong in it? Not race or religion mind you, but moral matters. When does a city council disallow a porn shop next to a school? And for what purpose would they do that? When do schools step in and disallow drugs and smoking? Why don't they allow conjugal visits on campus in private or in public? All these are related to a morality. The kind of morality that homosexuals preach is not there. Oh YES it is!
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@elfred1980 More from QUEERTY:
“And I would very much like for many of these young boys to grow up and start [having sex with] men. I want lots of young ladies to develop into young women who voraciously [have oral sex with women].”
So don't tell me that the comparisons are wrong, or that my arguments are not sound. Yes they are, and we have QUEERTY driving home my point. Stop faking like this is normal. Its not normal, is wrong, and you have people PUSHING this gay AGENDA all over.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman Thats just insane. Sorry but the only agenda here is the anti-gay agenda to hurt gay people, and using random nonsense like that quote.
elfred1980 8 months ago
@elfred1980 It came from a PRO GAY website, QUEERTY, and you are saying that it is "random nonsense" from an anti-gay agenda??? Your logic is warped.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
God is putting more and more gay people on the earth to show you fuckers that you are all wrong. Love knows no gender. You people say that you aren't hating on the gays, well um actually you are showing hate towards them. Only enemies would try and stop the love we share in our hearts, no matter if it is towards a man or a woman. You mormans just sugar coat it like you do with everything. WE ARE SICK OF IT.
Tacoflavoredkiss1 8 months ago
@Tacoflavoredkiss1 So that's how it is?
I don't hate people, but I sure do hate bad attitudes, and there is no way that I am going to accept that gay people are "born" that way and can't help themselves, any more than I am going to believe the prostitute in Vegas was born to prostitute and make her money that way... or that an adulterous man just can't help himself because he was "born" to have an excentric libido and over-sexed life.
Gays are sinners just like all the rest.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman Yeah that's exactly how it is. YOU ARE HATING. You expect us to have a good attitude when you are taking our rights away because of a STUPID book? the bible is just a book. A fictional book that controdicts itself. I don't know why there are so many idiots out ther who believe it. If I could choose to be straight, I would. Do you know how stupid you sound when you say that? we are the gay people! we would know! people like you make me so angry. Idiot.
Tacoflavoredkiss1 8 months ago
@Tacoflavoredkiss1 I didn't take away rights you NEVER HAD. You keep saying that, but marriage has ALWAYS been between a man and a woman, because according to nature, when a man and a woman have sex, they make a baby. Marriage is all about the family and what happens when a man and a woman come together and make babies BY NATURE, its natural, and so there is an agreement, a commitment to handle this.
Gays can't make babies, so why do they need this binding agreement, naturally?
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman MARRIAGE IS A HUMAN RIGHT. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR GENDER IS! Yeah it's always been between a man and a woman, but it shouldn't have. This is 2011, it's supposed to be a free country. If I love someone, then I should be able to marry them. Your right, it is about family, but family doesn't always have to include children. Dozens of married couples don't even have children. And yes, gay people can have children. There's adoption, sperm donation, and cerragate mothers. FAMILY.
Tacoflavoredkiss1 8 months ago
@ZeMaschinenmensch Yes, I did flunk that. Let me rephrasen it for you and any other scholars of English out there so's it can be understooden.
"Yes, an obvious handicap or birth defect going on there... what's the 2 gay-guys' excuse then? (seeing how they keep saying they are BORN not to be able to have kids)"
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@ZeMaschinenmensch Yes, an obvious handicap or birth defect going on there... what's the two gay guy's excuse?
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
You're promoting the message 'protect marriage'. Exactly how is allowing same sex couples to marry going to 'damage' marriage for straight couples?
JackAlexandrine 8 months ago
Protect marriage from what?! If there will be same-sex marriages it doesn't mean that heterosexual marriages will cease to exist!
And you do not have a monopoly on God and on what he thinks about equal marriage for everyone! It's all about choosing whether you want to be more like Europe or more like Iran. The choice is yours.
NeverSeenAsaskatoon 9 months ago
Religion has no place in law. The law of this land is secular, America was formed upon the ideal that all are equal.
While I respect your right to believe in any way you wish, I will not respect the attempt of religion to dictate the rights of other citizens who do not hold those same tenants of faith.
Homosexuals do indeed have children, and their families deserve the same protections as those of heterosexuals.
P.s. Religion has no copy right on marriage.
sabboth42 9 months ago
@sabboth42 No religion has its place, and it has influenced just about all laws in one way or another. Even marriage, the idea of it, came from God, as recorded in the BIBLE. You refuse to believe this fact, that marriage originates in the BIBLE and it is thousands of years old and is defined in that book of its ORIGIN as being a binding contract of family between a man and a woman, because they will be one flesh and will MULTIPLY and bring forth children.
Gays can't do that. Unnatural.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman Marriages were being performed before the bible existed. Sorry, but pagans were performing marriage ceremonies before before christians existed. Egyptians were performing marriages before the bible was dreamed up.
Secondly, your mormon church has a horrid history of civil rights violations and racism. How long ago was it that you started ALLOWING african americans to join the LDS church?
sabboth42 8 months ago
@sabboth42 You know, I know you say that, but there is NO way that you know that, and the Bible record goes back to Adam and Eve, who the majority of people in this world think are the very first humans on the face of this earth. So you are talking about 6000 years ago for them. Marriage was not before that, because there were no humans before that, despite what the evolution bones theories say, they got something extremely wrong in all that, they have botched the science in all of that.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman And I agree that religion has it's place. But it is not in the law. The law of the United States of America is secular. This country was formed by those seeking to escape religious dictatorship in order to worship freely.
sabboth42 8 months ago
@sabboth42 So let me worship freely, and STOP trying to change the very very religious definition of marriage.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman Marriage as recognized by the United States is not religious. It is a secular contract that entitles a couple to certain rights, protections, and responsibilities. One need never enter a church or have a personal religion to marry in this country. Stop trying to force your religion onto others.
sabboth42 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman So people who are unable or don't want to have kids shouldn't get married?
AlmightyGerbil 8 months ago
@AlmightyGerbil No, they should be able to and if possible, adopt to remedy the anomaly.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman that is not fact
marriage was in fact around LONG BEFORE the bible
homosexuality is seen in nature. therefore natural
how many animals have religon? NONE
therefore that is unnatural
mermaidsareppl222 8 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 Long before the Bible? The only people who believe that are the people who do NOT believe the Bible or who do not believe in God. They are the godless who think we all descended magically from monkeys, but the evolution theory is so flawed and bogus as to not even be taken seriously except by those who profit in some way by the deception. School books are big business, getting grants is big business, and so is a belief that science has all the answers, which it doesn't.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman science knows it doesn't have all the answers otherwise it wouldn't need to exist. And the Mormon church is "big business" too, the difference is your big business is tax exempt and has it out for gay people.
elfred1980 8 months ago
@elfred1980 Why is science to dogmatic then? Why does science exclude scientists of alternative thought and viewpoints, even to the BLACK LISTING of scientists that dare to adhere to the very reasonable tenet of intelligent design, even creationism?
The Mormon church spends money on charitable causes, that's all. We also run our churches and pay the electric bills, etc. You got a problem with that? Its all donations. Freely given. Leave it alone. 1st Amendment protects religion dude.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@elfred1980 If I pay my taxes and then give to a church, the church should never have to pay taxes again, since the money was donated. That would be a double tax. That's why churches don't pay taxes, even churches that teach the TRUTH that gay sex is immoral and wrong. we will always teach that because it is biblical and the scriptures are true. We have 1st Amendment rights that say you can't do a thing to INFRINGE on the free exercise of religion. Thank God for smart Founding Fathers.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman actually if they teach that, they do false teachings
but then again the teach that there is a god, which is false
mermaidsareppl222 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman Guess what? I pay my taxes too so does every other gay person we are citizens too. And saying gay sex is wrong in capital letters doesn't make you right- its not wrong at all and its also none of your business. And no, religious organizations are tax exempt since they are religious and for no other reason. A pro gay rights (read: pro decency) rights group can't use the argument that its members individually pay taxes otherwise they are double taxed...
elfred1980 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman Founding fathers were mainly deist and exercise of free religion protects all religions. It is to give people a choice, but not to protect a religion. The gov. is also secular so your religious teaching shouldn't be a part of it you retarded bible bitch. Prove to me that the bible is true. Prove to me god is real. You have no evidence, so it makes your teachings completely false and hurtful to the intelligence level of mankind.
MMaeidlilniAW 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman i like to call those people "realists"
evolution is not "bogus or flawed"
that would go to religion, as was proven last week, when that "man of god" was wrong (surprisingly)
mermaidsareppl222 8 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 The Bible says PLAINLY that no man knows the hour or the day, etc. that Jesus will come again, or in other words, the end of the world. The scriptures say that. 99.9999990% of all Christians know this New Testament declaration of Jesus Christ, so you bringing up this ANOMALY guy trying to calculate it and getting it wrong, he is an anomaly and goes against the scripture of Jesus Christ to even try to do what he did. No wonder he failed and qualifies as a false prophet.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman no one seemed to try and discredit him before his failed prediction
mermaidsareppl222 8 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 I did. I didn't think it a big deal since the Bible is clear on the fact that NO ONE knows the day of the end. It says that. Why this guy is trying to predict it, is only a testimony that he does NOT believe the Bible and what Jesus said on that one. No man knows the day, ONLY the Father.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
Don't bring god into this. How do you know I'm not athiest? And besides, you can't say that GOD told you to do this, GOD teaches that everyone be nice to eachother, and courteous of eachother's decisions, there's nothing in the ten commandments that says gay people cannot marry. And no, they can't have children, but they can adopt children that people who could didn't want.By the way, though I'm NOT atheist, I am unitarian, so I respect your religious beliefs enough to not tell you you're wrong.
msgnome98 9 months ago
I'm disappointed in anyone who calls themselves an ADULT that voted yes on this. I am a kid, and I know this is wrong. You know the message you're sending to kids? That they can discriminate against those who do not have the same ideas of things as they do. What about the children of gay couples? You're telling them 'oh, I'm so sorry, but you don't have what you need. This isn't a real family.' What are you going to do next? Take all of them out of those families?
msgnome98 9 months ago
@msgnome98 The message I send to all people, not just kids, is that there is a God above, He is our Father in Heaven, and He set up this earth to test us and gave commandments. Among those commandments is the charge to multiply and replenish the earth through marriage. He started marriage between a man and a woman. You can read Genesis in the Bible for that, as well as Jesus later on in the New Testament as He addressed it too.
Gays can't have kids, its against nature, against God.
mormonanswerman 9 months ago
@mormonanswerman If you're going to talk about religion, at least make a reasonable argument. What about black people? The Bible says whites are above them... So why are we persecuting gays and not blacks? Hmmm...
msgnome98 9 months ago
@msgnome98 The Bible does not say that.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman If only I had a bible with me, I would prove you wrong. However, I don't, so I'm not going to waste my time. Adults...
msgnome98 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman homosexuality is in nature, therefore it isnt against nature
and there is no god
religion is what is against nature
mermaidsareppl222 9 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222
a sad point of view
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman why do you say that? perhaps because its true
homosexuality has been seen in animals
how many animals have religion?
mermaidsareppl222 8 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 well that too, but I was thinking/referring to the statement that there is no God. That's the saddest thought of all.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman the truth is the saddest thought?
mermaidsareppl222 8 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 No, that you even think that is the truth. God doesn't force Himself on you because of His love for our free agency. What is sad is your close mindedness that keeps you from discovering the truth that He does exist and answers prayers and gives the peace that we all seek in life. You are missing this, and focusing on animals. That makes the animals your false god.
mormonanswerman 8 months ago
@mormonanswerman how was judgement day yesterday for you?
it came it passed and nothing happened
proving once again that religion is a sham
i was like you at one time, believing in god, then guess what? i grew up
mermaidsareppl222 8 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 The Bible records that Jesus said that no man knows the last day, the day of the coming of Jesus Christ. So why was this man predicting it? He was an ANOMALY.
I am not sure you ever believed as I do one time in your life. If you did, you would still be like me then, because I REALLY DO believe in God. I know He exists and He does answer prayers and gives peace and assurance. It is just a great thing, and makes life much more worth it.
mormonanswerman 7 months ago
@mormonanswerman wow just because i dont allow myself to be brainwashed by religion, like yourself, doesnt mean im closed minded
if he did exist, as you claim it is true, then there would be proof. but there is none
come up with a new argument
mermaidsareppl222 8 months ago