in the book of revelation, jesus spoke to the 7 churches of asia minor, turkey, Ephesus Smyrna Pergamon Thyatira Sardis Philadelphia and Laodicea, these were the churches of the apostles.
now these are the 7 churches of the antichrist paul that are in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Colosse, Phillipi, and Thessalonika
and what proves this is the parable in genesis 41' 20 - 25
the Christianity of paul is the mark of the beast.
my favorite part of the bible is wen the two daughters take turns getting their dad drunk in the cave after their mom died and have sex with him... thats totally what i want my kids reading religiously... NOT
Doesn't place the crucifixion of resurrection on a physical plain? He does completely.
1 Corinthians 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. It's just a skewed interpretation.
I'm curious on how they got a time line for books whose original copy has never been found.
I'd research into this more if you like it so you aren't just blindly believing one someone says the Bible says instead of what it actually does.
@lion49nfl no proof or evidence? THE ENTIRE VIDEO IS PROOF AND EVIDENCE YOU IGNORANT CHRISTIAN. he constantly says "based on biblical scholars" and also support those statements with his own facts. you call it faith...i call it blind worship. the proof is everywhere. yet christians refuse to even look at it...which is why they are christians. they dont know. so they dont get it. ITS ALL LIES!
@lion49nfl now i see there is no point in arguing with you. your terrible grammar says it all! you are too stupid to spell right which is obviously why you worship jesus in the first place. i will say it again. the proof is everywhere but you are too busy having blind faith and shouting his name to delve deeper into the conflict and controversy to realize the REAL truth.
@phunkyfresh22 if you actualy had brains...the real truth would be simple. there is no god, no heaven, and no hell, we are born, grow up and then do the same routine every single day for the rest of our lives, and then die. no afterlife, and no before-life. we exist in the small timespan we are alive and nothing more. no soul, no spirit. christianity was simply made because people are afraid of death. they dont want to end. they want to live forever. they are spineless cowards.
@TheFrozenfart ill tell u what i tell a lot of people, before u can say jesus is fake have some proof, and also we don't really care what u think we know where were going but do you know where ur going to go?
@lion49nfl now i dont understand why you support this fool. because by simply writing that comment he made a fool of himself. now if you would read the comment i wrote back to him you shall see why. and it is for this reason that in turn, you also become a fool,for supporting a fools words. ignorance really seems to be bliss in the christain community.
@TheFrozenfart brother if you disbelive go test the book really study it yourselve read pray about but dont hate on christians cause they know the truth and all we want to do is to get people to heaven soulwinnging
@lion49nfl i have already tested it. i have read it twice over cover to cover. and that is why i became an atheist, the more i read. the more it sounded like hot air and less like miracles. and you christians run around calling our ideas bull when in fact its the same scenario with you, you ask us for proof, we give it to you in cold hard facts, you say its lies, but when we ask you to give us proof, you either point to your book or say its all around us, and that is ridiculus.
@lion49nfl so what im trying to say is we give you proof. you ignore it, we ask you for proof, you point to a book. and as with all the other christians ive talked to here, your grammar is terrible. every christian here spells like they are twelve. observation? you are idiots and fools with no true education which is why you believe in such foolishness to begin with. and again this conversation ends the same way with all the others. me leaving you looking more and more foolish.
@TheFrozenfart peace and grace be with you i hope that he spirit of God opens your eyes and i hope you truly test it and pray about it the Most High asnwers those who call upon him
@lion49nfl and that little speech right there is why i think so lowly of you. the same mistakes have been made even though i clearly pointed them out to you. yet you made the same mistake again. its a pity. even after all the the things i did to prove you and your little community wrong. you still blindly follow a magical old wizard that lives in the clouds, shoots lightining, and grants wishes. and you still have terrible grammar! some people are just too dumb to change.
@lion49nfl and the one with blind faith will quote something from the fools book, and he shall attempt at making himself look less foolish. but how can he look less foolish when he believes in a fairy tale, and believes the rubbish in its entire context?
@lion49nfl That doesn't work. the bible actually deconverted me from christianity when I read it. How do you explain that ? Before I was a believer. After, I was not. The bible helped slowly wean me off of christianity as I discovered more and more about what it actually said. There I discovered there's nothing holy about that book. People said so much good about it to me, and I belived all their glowing reports, but study showed it was not, that it was rather profane, twisted. Evil.
@zxHUTTZYxz if you actualy paid any attention to my comments u wouldnt have asked such a stupid question. this is why i think christians are so oblivious and stupid. i will say it again, the facts and REAL truth are all over the place, because in my most recent comment here the answer to your question is answered in black and white. had you actualy read it. you would have not put yourself into such a foolish position. that comment if yours does nothing but prove my point, IGNORANCE!
It's hilarious how this video references what "many researchers" say, without ever giving attributions. Reminds me of how Pravda would introduce a blad-faced lie, "It has often been said..." Try finding modern Biblical scholars who deny Jesus' historicity... good luck!
it's hard to believe that people in modern times, still believe what the primitive., bronze-age, desert dwelling, goat herders wrote. Christians are an embarrassment to the USA
@monkeypeopleofearth It's hard to believe that people accept the kind of bogus scholarship contained in videos like these uncritically, and parrot language like "bronze-age goat-herders" because they think it makes them sound smart.
Saying "Jesus is crap" only annoys people,and brings nothing to the equation,even proving non-realism of Jesus has no affect has well.
Simply because faith has more power then the truth for many...
Better is-to prove that the words of Jesus and the Bible LACK a lot of important things,Show that not only this religion,but many others,actually are no longer relevant due to changes in society,changes in human growth...and change in human/nature relationship.
FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY, AS THE DIVINE PROPHETS HAD FORETOLD THESE AND THEN THOUSAND OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day." The biography of Alexander the Great was not wrote until about 500 years after his death by only two men, for many things were passed on orally at that time. But with Jesus we have a wealth of many other writings and documents out of the Bible.
"But with Jesus we have a wealth of many other writings and documents out of the Bible."
There is no writings outside of the bible. No historian is writing until 200 years plus about a jesus and again this is had me downs orally that changed over time
The bible is the main source, but this is unreliable as it is written in the 3rd person [non eyewitnesses]
Your trust is in mortal primitive men [who never met jesus] that not even you have met
Josephus the Historian wrote in the late 90's a.d "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES. HE WAS THE CHRIST. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him...
Finally someone who has it right!Absolutelty the masons have the cornerstone and the capstone in their ceromonies! Jesus is the best hand satan has to control our minds! why would satan allow jesus to steal his glory in churchs everyday unless he had something to gain from it! satan controls all the 501c3 churchs so he could make the silent about jesus in a fly's second! Jesus is control of the mind with the least resistence and would ensure a smooth reign in the millinium! jesus is lucif-us !
@wachnathan Islam is the one n only religion sent from God Almighty since Adam! Islam means to submit to the will of Almighty God the one n only Creator! All Prophets/Messengers are Muslims(submit to the will of God) from Adam to Muhammad the restorer n completer of the One n only religion/message from God! Christianity(Named after those who supposedly follow Christ) n Judaism(Named after the tribe of Judah) are cults! Abraham did not practice/follow Judaism but was a Muslim n Practiced Islam!!!
@moeazysgc If god wants us to be servents then why even create us can't this prime being do anything it wants with out our help? why doesn't god just make us animals they obviously don't ask questions they just do am mean come on whats the point of giving men a brain and ability if we are just to waste our talents on being slaves? i would rather not exist at all if am just born a servent god can take my soul back i don't wanna bow down to him. God made me this way don't blame me for his fails.
@moeazysgc islam is a fraud created by charlatan muhammad and his insane fanatic followers,abraham and moses never existed,they r fake myths,no prophets were ever sent they were all made up,if god wanted us to be slaves then y create humans with free will ask them to be doing things knowing dat they r incapable of doing it and then punish them for dat well for eternity,it seems ur allah is an idiot with no brains,quran is a fraud fake copy of the holy shit called the bible,fuck islam
@thescorpionking2020 You said "if God wanted us to be slaves then y create humans with free will ask them to be doing things knowing dat they r incapable of doing it"! U claim you are not capable of abstaining from sin/sins n following the laws of God n repenting 5 times daily n keeping the peace n loving your neighbor but are capable of denying n refusing the ways n Laws of God n causing Chaos n not Loving your neighbor because if you are then you are a ignorant miserable stubborn imbecile!!!!
@thone2008 "The Real name of "Paul" was "Pliny the Younger" - Josephus Flavius[Arrius Piso] was Jesus - Simon Peter was "Flavius Simonides Agrippa [Proculus], Joseph was [Gaius Piso]"..... and just who told you this? Do you have proof to back up these claims?
I can understand that a person can debate the deity of Christ, but to say that Jesus didn't existed, leave out ALL of the evidence, and to twist the evidence is messed up dude. Paul is the most misunderstood figure in the Bible.
I can prove Jesus's existence if you want to be logical about it. Much extra-biblical evidence, even by those that hated Jesus. Many people such as Cornelius Tacitus, Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, Flavius Josephus, Pliny the Younger, Emporer Hadrian, and many more. The Jewish Talmud and the "Apocrypha" text. Also Gnostic text. 40+ Bible authors! Prophecy! Also the Shroud of Turin and it's has not been "debunked." There are many more relics. Constantine used the Holy Nails. He wasn't a myth.
The Real name of "Paul" was "Pliny the Younger" - Josephus Flavius[Arrius Piso] was Jesus - Simon Peter was "Flavius Simonides Agrippa [Proculus], Joseph was [Gaius Piso]
The video is absolutely correct. To say there were other authors before Paul who wrote early versions of Mark, is based on WHAT?
there are no copies, there are no references to earlier versions or texts, and Constantine did not start to compile the bible until 300 years after jesus was dead , cooked and eaten by his disciples.
This is not quite correct , it not all down to paul even he did have a big role in setup of with the other roman councilers how Constantine's catholism was to be , there are the unknown authors and scholars before paul who wrote different variations of the old text of mark which was mainly an oral tradiation finally written down by other scholars , the scholars embelish the stories of jesus ressurect and the other gospels tieing them to myths of the greek and jew and other mythologies
Ill tell you better. You dont have plausible arguments and are lacking insights, you do not wish to learn anything outside that mental box youve put yourself inside. You are making attempts to insult me and put my family over this. Yet you claim to be the enlighthend one and me the person with an ego? Would any of this make sense? Again I dont want you to believe in anything. I tried to show you. You consider mehas this image of a religious people you have on your mind which I am not.
FRom the book "Antiquity Unveiled" "Christianity is not from the Jews, but from the Greeks. It is a combination of the Platonic and Alexandrian doctrines, with the doctrines of Apollonius of Tyana...." (Cyrillus Luchar)
People are so ignorant. History can not be relied on for the simple fact that humans make things up according to what they believe and call it History..Read the Bible you might learn something..
all atheists pease see this, please!: "watch?v=a_wIKiOgk10", "watch?v=8vj0qKthCgg", "watch?v=dBdQyjPh4AM", "watch?v=_K2I5P36-Z8", "watch?v=5HbtoX3Q5OI", "watch?v=w6UYe4v0-po", "watch?v=h0qiB2hbFwo", "watch?v=oXZCXIeg1hY", "watch?v=O6A11fqBFrU", "watch?v=6AbVOdRigOA". Then you will believe in God, or YOU WILL BE TOTAL IGNORANT.
you really think the entire earth was flooded in 2500BC, like the bible claims?!
Ask a native american why they didnt all drown like the bible says they were suppose to, and why all the millions of species on this DETACHED CONTINENT didnt drown.
Jesus' teachings in the sermon on the mount contains the same knowledge of Jewish Kabbalah, from the ancient gods like Hermes in Greece and from the Indian religions:
GENESIS 4:
15 Whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
= Matthew 7: 1-16
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged....
Matthew 5:
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God....
@Liebhabaer1974 Most religions share these points or variations thereof. Fun thought: Even though every religion disagrees with the others, each seem to revolve around the same few points. Even people without religion seem to come back to the same few points. Score one for evidence supporting the existence of the human conscience, right?
Jesus didn't come to bring a new religion to be worshipped. He taught cosmic laws, natural laws like the force of gravity which cannot be changed for own interests.
/watch?v=oiSkrxINkHA
Sense of life is not to follow a religion to worship gods, it's the life itself to collect life-experiences, which allows us to sin.
Actually the Jewish Talmud writes about Jesus although it mentions that he was not crucified but hanged, accused of witchcraft, apostasy whatever (although they dont believe in Jesus as a prophet). Additionally they said that this criminal was of the lineage of David... One thing you did got right and that is that the gospels are methaphors, symbolic in nature. Its episodes are meaningfull for those who understand what they mean.
@JohnyNotebO0k symbolic of WHAT?! the jewish people had 360 laws and regulations they had to follow, and everytime they broke one they had to give money and/or animals to the priests, who sacrificed (cooked) and then ate them.
It was a scam from the beginning, the bible has NOTHING to do with the reality of the nature of the universe, or the nature of life.
@MrHobiecat I see that you hate Christians and truth. I gave proof in the discovery of the ark on the top arath - where it should be. I gave a lot of other evidence. I do not care that you hate and do not want to believe in God. Your case. But wake up because you truth has nothing to do with reality.
what are you, twelve?! Columbus proved the earth was not flooded as the bible claims when he discovered two complete detached continents, TEAMING with life. Dont give me that 'the continents split apart in 2499BC "kwrap.
And whats more, jesus referred to the flood as history, proving that JESUS WAS NOT A GOD, because he was dead wrong.
NO major christian demomination still teaches genesis as history.
@MrHobiecat No point in showing your anger towards religion. I am not religious myself, though I am firmly convinced of the existence of a superior inteligence. The point is both atheists and biblists (loved that therm) have both become zealots of their own cause. Critical thinking is always the key. I am talking about simbolism because there is an evident second meaning to what is told in the bible. It doesnt matter if it was true or not, once you found it. It is knowlefdge.
@JohnyNotebO0k what second meaning? the bible is based on a self appointed priesthood that used animal sacrifice and tribal mythology to obtain an easy living.
The new testiment is based on human sacrifice commemorated by pretend cannibalism and drinking human blood. Jesus said you must love your enemies and hate your own parents.
Jesus was psychotic - what can you learn from a psycho?!
@MrHobiecat All shall be revealed, no worries... Mary Magdalene was about to be stoned. Here came Jesus and told the mob: Those who have never err to throw the first stone. By showing them their own imperfections they felt ashamed and left. - Mary Magdalene is a prostitute, a night dewler, that his someone that was in darkness (ignorance). Jesus saved her from condmemnation, redeems her and brings her back to the light (knowledge).
@JohnyNotebO0k the old testiment penalty for adultry was death by stoning. In the time of jesus, the romans had taken authority away from the jewish people, and only ROMAN laws applied, so the jews had no legal right to stone the woman to death.
Besides, as you said, the stories are not true, they never happened, and most likey jesus never existed at all.
So some ancient goat farmer is writing your morals for you? Whats the matter, cant you figure things out for yourself?!
The ones that wanted to stone, represent the followers of the law of Moses, that is the local powers or the ruling powers of the universe. Yet Jesus says unto them: Are you perfect so that you have the right to condemn and judge her? The rulling powers of the universe realize their own limitations, felt ashamed and left. Jesus was not with the Law of Moses, but proclaimed to be above it. Where the Law of Moses said death, he clearly stand up and said Forgive.
@MrHobiecat That is the point my dear zealot. I am not religious. And in the same way that ignorance can lead unto religious mindslaves, the same ignorance may lead to other types of beliefs mind slaves such as your own. Atheism in certain aspects that were described here and there have became a religion. I am not asking you to believe in nothing. All that I am saying is that the episodes of the bible have hidden knowledge. If you find that knowledge useful or non useful I leave it up to you
@JohnyNotebO0k Atheism is NOT a religion, its a rejection of claims other people have made regarding their interaction with a creator/god, based on their total lack of proof, and on statements these people have made that have been proven to be not EVEN wrong, the bible is totallly absurd
@MrHobiecat Man your mind is inside a box because you cannot think out of it. First you ideintify me as a religous person. I am not. Second you identify loads of people has "christians", which you probably are referening too Chatolics and other orthodox churches. Thirdly, when I say Atheism is a religion, and that you are a follower it is because you have engaged in a set of pre-conceive thinking that does not allow you to break out of it - Êxactly in the same way has religious mind slaves
@MrHobiecat Finnaly and hopefully this will be able to enlighten your mind to what I have tryed several times to share with you: you spend you all time searching the bilbe, trying to see if one passage says 300 horses and the other says 400 horses. Then you claim that the bilbe is incoherent and therefore it is not true. Ridicolous. Read what I said: Instead of trying to prove if the bible is historical right or not, try to understand and dechiper its message, Then you may talk to me.
@MrHobiecat Ans I almost forgot a rejection of claims is a belief that you have found the ultimate truth.That is a type of religion, with your priest Richard Dawkins. I am a scientis and what you are saying is refutable. Science is not the truth. It just gets closer and closer to the truth. Science can never and should never ever proclaim itself as truth. In fact Scientificly proven is one of the most misused terms ever and it contradict what science stands for.
@MrHobiecat And to prove (lol you gotta love these insights) you that science cant either proof or disproof the existence of God, unless he proves himself into existence, you should consider an analogy to Errors type 4: These errors state that when making an experiment there will be unknowns that you unknown off and that you wont take into account although they actually are affecting your experiment.
@JohnyNotebO0k I dont have to disprove ANY generic concept of god that any person might imagine in their mind, because things you imagine in your mind have nothing to do with reality.
ALL I have to do is prove that any specific claims a person has made when they say they speak on behalf of a creator/god are false, and I have proven the GOD THEY ARE DESCRIBING does not exist....
@MrHobiecat The only thing you have proven is your inahibility to think outside your own mindset prejudice. As for things you imagine in your mind have nothing to do with reality, guess what, wrong again. Einstein imagine to run himself at the speed of light alongside a beam of light and by looking at the beam of light it would be frozen. How could that be? That is impossible. This imagined things in his mind helped him divise the hypthesis that Light speed was a terminal velocity.
@MrHobiecat You have not proven that any specific claims are wrong, The only thing you have proven is your inability or disposition to even try to understand the message and what it has being said. That in science is called bias. Do you know that in science, most scientists already know the result of an exepriment before it is done? This leads to a trend in the scientific method. Same happens to you because you made an experiment which lead exactly to the results you wanted in the first place.
@JohnyNotebO0k wrote "most scientists already know the result of an exepriment before it is done."
Let's be a bit more precise here, and not cast undue confusion on the scientific method. There are too many on youtube who are already ignorant of the process.
I think it's incorrect to say scientists "know" the result. Better to say they "correctly predict" the result. This is because the hypothesis they are testing is based on previously observed data.
@JohnyNotebO0k A scientist who takes objectively observed data, sees an interesting question about it, predicts an answer by forming a hypothesis, then tests it with carefully designed controls that try to limit the variables being tested so the experiment is more precise, is most certainly NOT using bias in making "an experiment which lead exactly to the results you wanted in the first place."
Don't argue against the scientific method if you don't properly understand it yourself.
@rmcdaniel423 Men you are the one who doesnt understand at all. The thing that I talked about the scientific method is well known for a long time. Ideally it would be expected that the scientist would draw his conclusion about that data. The reality is that the scientist thinks of an experiment with an objective, creates the data and then confirms his first conclusions. I am not arguing agains the utility of the scientific method. I am arguing against people who think that science if flawless.
@JohnyNotebO0k My apologies. I responded to a single comment you made, rather than taking the time to read all the way back in the prior history of comments. That put your comment out of context. Thank you for correcting me without insulting me. :-)
@rmcdaniel423 Sorry myself if I was harsh. I do not want to make people belief or not belief in anything. I like the idea of people having many choices, and they are not always wrong or right, not black or white. All that I intended to say is that the gospels in the bible carry a hidden message (beyond literal meaning), and to achieve what it is said one must reflect and research these ancient meanings - And that is interesting, at least, to understand part of our ancient legacy
@rmcdaniel423 In case you are interested, the gospels of the bible could be interpreted upon understanding gnostic beliefs. These beliefs are quite different from the ones that most modern "christianity" talks about. In fact many suspect that they were the original movement, which was overpassed by the establishment of the Roman Catholic church (politics). It was a way of ancient misteries to be transmited between people that knew what they mean in secrecy.
@rmcdaniel423 Even further on Dawkings. He made a crucial mistake as a scientist. A scientist needs to be sceptical about what he knowns and to give heartly a reasonable doubt before conducting an experiment. He did not do anything of this. He was convinced before the experiment that God didnt exist (be it truth or not) and that he would be there, spend some time and in the end he would say: Ok I didnt felt a thing, God is a lie.
@JohnyNotebO0k Do bad scientists, doing poorly designed experiments, often with bias, exist? Of course. And the good scientists view them with the same disrespect that you do. Probably even more so, because they give the good ones an unfairly bad image. When people read stories about these crappy scientists and their crappy work, it's not because science is a crappy process. It's because it works RIGHT, by weeding out the crap and showing it for the world to see.
@rmcdaniel423 Thank you for your comments Daniel. I am a scientist too and I can tell that I enjoy Dawkings moove in trying to expose charlatans and false beliefs. Again both you and this other guy, seem not to read my coment at all. For several times I have stated I AM NOT RELIGIOUS. Dawkings makes a crucial mistake as a scientis that is he wants to say: God does not exist. Science only allows him to say: God is unlikely to exist. (period and if you know science you know this).
@JohnyNotebO0k ...ALL of the important claims and actions the bible makes towards a creator/god HAVE BEEN PROVEN to be false, indisputably. The major demoninations acknowledge the genesis stories are nothing but parables, but the bible as a whole is self dependant. There was no adam who sinned against god, causing the whole race to fall, therefore there is no need to be saved by a human sacrifice nailed to a stick.
The bible is nothing but a crude tribal religion, it has NO redeeming value.
@MrHobiecat Again the point has been made. "The genesis stories are nothing but parables" Your own words man! Parables are stories with hidden knowledge. This hidden knowledge is available to the ones that can read and understand them. Your visions of the bible are related to what you have had many say, it has nothing to do with my own vision of it. You just tried to put me on a sack, among a huge bunch of people who have nothing to do with my opinion and my thoughts. Mind prejudice.
@JohnyNotebO0k in spite of your personal definition of what a parable is, the people who wrote the bible did not know or understand ANYTHING about the nature of the universe, or the nature of life, and any stories they made up about people and gods that do not exist have NO insight and NO value.
Einsteins thought experiments were based on his lifelong knowledge and observations of the universe, he did not pull them out of his ass, like you and the authors of the bible.
@MrHobiecat The people that wrote the gospels understood much more than you could think of. The problem is that you want to interpret things of the past thinking like it was today. Even more to make you realise (hopefully your brain can still function outside of your little box) tell me what is moral of the story of Red Riding Hood?
@JohnyNotebO0k The moral of the story of red riding hood is you dont leave your helpless mother living alone in the woods in a shack, and you dont sent children out to tend to your mothers needs when there are wolves lurking about.
@MrHobiecat Great man. Now that you dont know what the story is all about, maybe if you let me show you... The story of Little Red Riding Hood is about a young girl who meats a man which is more of a wolf (a beast). This men tricks her into taking bad paths, arrests her granny in the closet. When she arrives at the grannys home hes disguised. He tells red riding hood to take out her clothes and join him in bed. He then has the famous dialog where he eats her up (rapes the shit out of her).
@MrHobiecat Well man. I will leave you to reflect on what I said. You can also search the net for the original story of red riding hood, read it, think about what I have said and then calm, and with an open mind, if you want you can talk back to me. Mary Magdalene - for the 1001th time already, I couldnt care less if it is historically accurate or not, that is irrelevant to my point- The story is hidden knowledge, it is a methaphor and above all - YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IT, worst -you prefer not to
@JohnyNotebO0k scroll down and read the rest of the replies.
The only thing I wonder about you is who is the person in your circle jerk that told you how gifted you are, and that you have mystical insight into things that most people cannot perceive
because they really rubbed one out of your ego but good, and here you are oozing your bullkwrap all over the internet after...? How long have you had this ego complex going? Mr Scientist?
@JohnyNotebO0k and let me know when I can come over and rape your sister, beat her to death, and take her life savings, so we can see what YOU REALLY THINK about all this cast-the-first-stone and forgiveness bullshit you keep spewing?
@MrHobiecat So behave like a grown up man. Talk to people just about what Ive said in relation to red riding hood. Maybe you will know someone who knows this meaning too. Search the internet, I am not the only people who know this. Even better, try women, most of them know what the story is about.
@JohnyNotebO0k Grow and and lets discuss the merit of grimms fairy tails together with the new testiment?!
You sure dont want to touch the cast-the-first-stone forgiveness nonense you brought up, do you?
Mr scienceJohn, please show us all the data you have collected that supports your mystical insight that not punishing someone who is guilty of a capital crime, and also forgiving them as if they have done nothing wrong, is the best choice for individuals and society to make?
@MrHobiecat Ive come with the simple example of a fairy tale just to show you that you dont even know the meaning of a common fable story, evenless you would be able to interpret the gospels... Ive come here not to bring upon you to believe in anything, not to follow anything. I have stated and I will say it again: The gospels have hidden disguised knowledge that you are anware off. The problem here is your mind prejudice.
@MrHobiecat Just think of your attitude, know yourself. You are trying to say to people that the bilbe is npt a science book...Duh! Your personal attitude is not just alongside fanatics like when a leader of the muslim armed movement arrived at Alexandria and asked the wise men of his time (his scientists) that if there was more knowledge in the Kuran (their science books) then in the whole Alexandria library. They said no, they burnt all the "old books" in favor of the new one.
@MrHobiecat Even more worryng is that you are so eager to try to disproof me in any way possible that you aren t even capable of seeing what you are defending. Supposedly there was this guy named Jesus, who, at his time of little information and ignorance, was able to see that the barbaric costume of stoning a woman to death was wrong (2000 years ago). Today, with all the knowledge you have, the internet, the science books, you are not able to do the same, This barbaric costumes still exist.
@MrHobiecat Finnaly, and if you for once develop the reasonable doubt (which is something anyone who knows science must have) you are trying to interpret an old writen book like it was written in modern days. In order to undestand what the bilbe says, you need to firstly become awhare of how people tought at their times where science didnt exist. You need to understand symbology. You need to understan historical context. You need to be able to put yourself in their view of the world.
@JohnyNotebO0k there simply is no value in the thoughts or beliefs or ideas of ancient goat farmer tribes who based their lives on mythology.
And to THEM the bible stories were literally true, they observed 360 difficult laws supposively handed down to a character named moses by a creator/god, so THEY were not writing and reading symbology, THEY THOUGHT THAT SHIT WAS REAL, and did what it said to the letter.
So much for your mystical insight, you dont know anything about 1st century jews.
@MrHobiecat You are so inside your mental box, that you havent even notice that your arguments have no relevance to anything that I argued you about. And that is because of your mind prejudice. Have I ever told you that the bible or even better the catholic bible has not been altered through time? Think not. What I told you and once again I claim, is that there is hidden knowledge in the gospels, and even further that you are ignorant of it. The reason why you are ignorant of it is quite obivous
@MrHobiecat Again you seem to be assuming that I am a follower of forgiveness,that forgiveness is the law. Again I tell you that the episode is much more deep than that, again I tell that the reason of your inability to read it is only due to your mind prejudice. Anyone who follows science would have to at least consider the hypothesis of what I am saying. By denying it outright,you are proving that you are a negacionist of the same level as a biblist denies science.
@MrHobiecat And relating the bible being written and revised several times - So is science. So are science books. And I am a scientist, who understands, works with science and is absolutly passionate about its elegance and methods to help lead humanity into enlighthemnt. What I am not is a fundamentalist who is not able to consider other views out of arrogance and in the basis that science is the ultimate truth, when in fact that is corrupting sciences value and elegance.
@MrHobiecat Furthermore and just to make you understand the fool you are, the knowledge that I know off is known of the scientific community. In fact historical researchers of the Nag Haddami texts can tell you all about it. You can even look it up on the web under the name of Gnosis. It was a phylosophical/esoteric system known by a selected few. It is well documented and related to the gospels that are present in the bible. John the evangelist was a known gnostic.
@MrHobiecat So the reason I waited this long is again just to prove that how ignorant you are, how flawed is your way of thinking. You are narrow minded. And such a narrow minded fool that besides having little hability to argue anything whatsoever, you even try to be uneducated in your arguments and try to bring up familiy into this. Such an elegant scientist are you, wouldnt you say?
@MrHobiecat There is no value to his people. Think again. Apperantly you are absolutly ignorant to the philosophical origins of science. Plato, Socrates, Descartes - they all learned how to master the realm of thought.They had manytimes not more than these huge complex writings that most people, like you, were not able to dechiper. They had no labs, they used their brain without prejudice. PhD means philosophy doctor - an individual that has mastered the realm of critical thinking
@MrHobiecat Fundamentalists in science like you are the same people that when Darwin came up with the theory of evolution put his face on top of a monkey body and made fun of him. It is against that mind prejudice that you must fight, because like I said, the youtube atheists and these youtube theists are both sects with beliefs, and which have more in common thant actually the things that makes them being appart.
@MrHobiecat Biblists say that they must not read a science book, as what is said there is nonesense. Youtube atheists say that you should not read a bible because what is there is nonensene. Biblists come to have found the ultimate truth in the origins of the universe and the existence of God. Youtube Atheists belief they have found the ultimat truth in the origins of the universe and the existence of God. Biblists live according to their beliefs and views of the universe. Atheists the same.
@MrHobiecat "There is simply no value in the thought or beliefs or ideas of ancient goat farmer tribe who based their lives on mythology" You want so much to be right, that you dont even think about the barbaric meaning of your claims. That would be the equivelant of scientists arriving to prehistoric cave paintings and say - These people were pimitive, their ideas are unimportant, just wash it out. The same for Egypt hieroghyps. The same for Sumerion writtings. RIDICOULOUS!
@MrHobiecat As for strawman falicy, look unto yourself. You have constantly denied everything Ive said, not even once considering to listen and think to what I was saying. And guess what? What I am saying exists and it exists among the scientific community knowledge. Again I tell you, you cant even decipher a childs tale like red riding hood... You thought it was to warn kids about forest wolves!eheheheheheh
@JohnyNotebOOk your assertion that somehow the meaning you attach to a childs fairy tale is important or relavant or an indication of ANYTHING is (guess what?)
ANOTHER strawman argument.
You really suck at this. the problem is you have no grasp of how bad you suck at this.
and are not even entertaining anymore in your absurdity.
@MrHobiecat A strawman argument is to say that what I am saying exists and is within the scientific community? How about you take on the time to understand why your attitude was wrong since the very beggining? That would sure make thinks easier...
@MrHobiecat Science books have been writend and re-writend several times. Ideas have been abandonned, renewed, desbilief, reconsidered, desrigarded, seen has irrefutable and then disproofed. Does this takes any value of an older scientific book? Ridicoulous. For freeing your mind, I advise you not to read any religious texts, but the work of someone who like the supposed Jesus died for his beliefs: Socrates. His ideas have remained until today (though he is generally consider dangerous)
@MrHobiecat As for the data you are asking: These books, either you like or not, are data! Any historian, archeologist that would have listen to your comments that these books are to be ignored would look at you would disregard. They are our legacy of other times. I even go further, there are more books being found, archeological findings like the dead sea scrolls and the Nag Hadami library documents. Inform yourself about these findings. This is the DATA you have to work upon.
@JohnyNotebO0k the bible was written by unknown authors at unknown dates, and has been edited and altered many times, and YOU equate it with scientific data.
That pretty much drives the last nail into your claims of being a 'scientist'.
and once more from the top, at the time portrayed in the cast-the-first stone story, the jewish people did NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO STONE ANYONE FOR ANY REASON. So whatever spin you want to put on the story past that is just as meaningless as the story itself.
@MrHobiecat Your are such a foolv that you actually belief that in those times there was a Roman police station that would make sure that people obey the law. You are such a fool that in those texts there is no reference to where that episode has taken palce. . Even in my country there are people who make law by their own hand in little obscure villages. Nevertheless, your point is irrelevant to my arguments, neither it is of any importance to me if that episode happened historically or not
@MrHobiecat The secret knowledge of that episode (and it doesnt even matter if it was Mary Magdalene or not) can only be understood if you have the proper background knowledge.It has nothing to do with what you think of, like it being a rule that we must follow. In order for you to understand a bioquemistry book you need first to understand concepts of chemistry, physics, thermodinamics and biology. The same way here in order to understand the knowledge you have to think like they did.
@MrHobiecat Person has postion X - Johny says there is hidden knowledge in the gospels and that hobbie cat is ignorant. Hobbie cat claims there is no hidden knowlegdge in the gospels and claims that where is that data and that data does not exist. Johny Says that data existis and is confirmed by historical researchers of humanity past among other philosophical personalities. Hobbie Cat answers - there is your mystical ego again. Who did... -You are a strawman, an ignorant and vain one
@JohnyNotebO0k ... or as the title of this video says "Chritianity is CRAP!'
after days of babbling nonsense you have said nothing to refute that. All you've done is spew more crap, without a shred of real world knowledge or evidence or data to support your position.
@MrHobiecat Fortunatly most people, and scientists do not consider philosophy to be crap, but deeply rooted not only within science but also within the whole human experience. There is only one problem here, and that is that you are so unwinlingly able to understand that you were wrong your comments in your first place, that you are able to continue to try to win where your mind had already lost from the beggining.
@MrHobiecat Your problem thus resides on the preconceived idea of what I was to say, that is, you expect me, in the same way that a primitve man does, to bring out a miracle and make the red sea open in order to prove that I am this vision that you have of me "a mystic". Have I promissed you that? What did I told you from the beggining? There is hidden knowledge in the gospels. Period. What was the problem? Why did we started a discussion? Because you deny it.
@MrHobiecat You deny what I said, dispite subsequent evidence of that there is knowledge which you are ignorant off. Red riding hood is one example. Mary Magdalene stoning is another. The dead sea scrolls Nad Haddami texts remainments of that knowledge. But, instead of facing the facts, you prefer out of sheer vanity, think that you know everything. Youre ignorance is so great that you beleive that by disproofing the bilbe you would even disproof the existence of god - be he real or not
@MrHobiecat Furthermore, and you can scroll back to my first comments. I told you that if you would find that knowledge usefull or not it would be up to you. Still it would never stop to be knowledge. You are a limited person that believes that knowledge is either right or wrong. Again I advise you to consider to read about Socrates the philosophers work. If you think he was dumb and ignorant and a farmer, I must utterly remind you that Descarte, Laplace, Newton, Einstein were all philosophers.
@MrHobiecat In order to understand christianity you need to know its origins. And that there are actually two version of christianity, and that is the reason why most people when say christianity are referring to the orthodoxs. You cannot read the gospels and arrogantly say that they are nonsense, when this derives of your lack of backgrond knowledge. It would be as stupid as someone who does not know mathematical numbers or symbology to read a book of maths and say - this is utterly nonsense.
@MrHobiecat So in other words I asked you between taken the blue pill and the red pill. If you prefert the blue I must respect that. But even so it wont even change anything to everything I presented to you. And just to make you know how ignorant you are, even about many things who are right before your eyes, I just found an amazingly interesting film on you tube- called Phylosophy and the Matrix: Return to the source.
@MrHobiecat This film is NO EVIDENCE of whatsoever. It is just to make you understand, that in the day, that you are able to understand the concepts that all these professors of philosophy are talking about, you will probably be ready to understand what I have said to you. And the funny thing is, that this documentary talks about the gnostic principles present in the fim: The matrix. These knowledge is hidden from you, is cast in front of you, and still you are not able to understand it.
@MrHobiecat A video that could help educate your mind, on how at various time in history, great leading man of science where opposed by science fundamentalists who cannot think outside their mental square and deny things out of lack of personality than actually due to what his being proposed - Dangerous Knowledge (Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics) -BBC Besides this examples you will have of course Darwin and Einstein (he was set to shaken the established god of science, Newton, thoughts)
@JohnyNotebO0k quit hogging all the comment space.... im no bible thumper and dont blindly believe in any ancient zombie.. but maybe u should write to him by clicking his name instead of wasting space on this page... i wanna read all the dumb christian comments talking about how the devil made this video...lol
@neoanderson34 I already stopped everything no worries. Do not confuse christians with catholics please. It is quie a different concept. But good luck about devil coments hunting. And may he never cross your path, unless he promises you riches and the world! ;)
@MrHobiecat In order to think like they did you need to become versed in their comprehension of the universe, being it truth or not it does not matter. Another books that you can find with secret knowledge are alchemical texts. You read litteraly through it and you will think nonesense - in the same way that someone who does not know advanced maths looks at a complex engineering equation. This knowledge was not shared by the religious mind slaves, it was known by a selected few.
The moral of the story is "Dont talk to Strangers", "Stay on the right road, watch out the paths that you take" (life choices. Above all this girl meets a wolf (man) who talks to her and she is not scared of him. That is because she has no concept of the dangers that wolves (men) present to her. It is thus a very ingenious work to transmit to young women precious knowledge about the world they are about to get into. Beware beware man you dont know, they want the honey you carry in the basket.
@MrHobiecat Your being such a fanatic about your atheist beliefs that you havent even consider about why your personal atitude is ridiculous. Your way of thinking would have been the equivelent of archeologistis arriving at Egypt, seing those hierogliphs, and saying: "Wait they believe in God. lets not read this" ehheheeheheheh
@MrHobiecat "All the important claims...have been proven to be false, indisputably" There is nothing indisputably in science. There will never be. Anyone who makes such a claim is not a scientist but a fundamentalist, has good of a Taliban as any Taliban.
@MrHobiecat I didnt ignored your chalenge. I immediatly posted one thing that you didnt understand at all. That was the episode of Mary Magdalene. You saw it, saw me describe it and still you didnt get anything out of what I said because you are only interested in disproofing. And this happens because you condmen a book, and in the same of the Nazis that burned books in the public square, or one of the Islam readers who decided to burn the library in Alexandria.
@JohnyNotebO0k on,.y took you what? 12 posts to play the nazi card? HAHHAHHAHAAA.
The woman in the stories you are confusing into nonsense was not MM, it was a woman caught in the act of adultry, which was a capital crime under the law of moses, but again, the romans had upsurpted their authority, and they could NOT stone her like moses demanded. If they, or jesus had stoned her, they would be arrested by the romans and executed for murder....
@JohnyNotebO0k but mystic you reads into the confused/combined stories that its really all about a universal concept of forgiveness, and mutual guilt on everyones head, so that no person has the right to judge or punish another.
So lets put Mr Tire on Mr Road. Do you have a mother, sister? (I doubt you have a wife or daughter). How bout I come over and rape one of them, and then beat them to death, and take their life savings. By what possibly nonsense of thinking are YOU going to say...
@JohnyNotebO0k ..the proper thing for YOU to do is to forgive me, and send me on my happy way? Be honest, that is PURE BULL SHIT and you know it.
Humanity has evolved in a social group. If one or more people becomes destructive and damages the group as a whole, there is NO redeeming value in simply forgiving that person, and allowing him to continue his rampage.
and there is no universal karma or god or afterlife in which all things will be made right.
@JohnyNotebO0k If you are going to keep saying the bible has deep hidden messages that only your mystic self can reveal, why dont you tell us what they are, so we can shoot them down and get this nonsense of yours over with?
The authors of the old testiment claim to be speaking on behalf of a creator/god, which has been proven to be a false claim, so anything else they have to say did NOT come from any god.
Jesus claimed to be god, also proven to be a false claim.
in the book of revelation, jesus spoke to the 7 churches of asia minor, turkey, Ephesus Smyrna Pergamon Thyatira Sardis Philadelphia and Laodicea, these were the churches of the apostles.
now these are the 7 churches of the antichrist paul that are in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Colosse, Phillipi, and Thessalonika
and what proves this is the parable in genesis 41' 20 - 25
the Christianity of paul is the mark of the beast.
messiiironaldo 14 hours ago
my favorite part of the bible is wen the two daughters take turns getting their dad drunk in the cave after their mom died and have sex with him... thats totally what i want my kids reading religiously... NOT
St1cKnGoJuGgAlO 4 days ago
Gotta love them Christians and their fake religion. xD Keep causing a riot, 'cause I'm happily laughing at your stupidity. :)
Irudiar 1 month ago
Doesn't place the crucifixion of resurrection on a physical plain? He does completely.
1 Corinthians 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. It's just a skewed interpretation.
I'm curious on how they got a time line for books whose original copy has never been found.
I'd research into this more if you like it so you aren't just blindly believing one someone says the Bible says instead of what it actually does.
q28s1 1 month ago
no proof or evdance to support his lies JESUS IS LORD PRAISE HIM FOREVER
lion49nfl 1 month ago
@lion49nfl no proof or evidence? THE ENTIRE VIDEO IS PROOF AND EVIDENCE YOU IGNORANT CHRISTIAN. he constantly says "based on biblical scholars" and also support those statements with his own facts. you call it faith...i call it blind worship. the proof is everywhere. yet christians refuse to even look at it...which is why they are christians. they dont know. so they dont get it. ITS ALL LIES!
TheFrozenfart 1 month ago
@TheFrozenfart no all the things is the vid are based off hertics and lairs with misunderstandings there no solid proof no where in the vid
lion49nfl 1 month ago
@lion49nfl now i see there is no point in arguing with you. your terrible grammar says it all! you are too stupid to spell right which is obviously why you worship jesus in the first place. i will say it again. the proof is everywhere but you are too busy having blind faith and shouting his name to delve deeper into the conflict and controversy to realize the REAL truth.
TheFrozenfart 1 month ago
@TheFrozenfart lol, ok, then tell us what is the "REAL" truth?
phunkyfresh22 1 month ago
@phunkyfresh22 if you actualy had brains...the real truth would be simple. there is no god, no heaven, and no hell, we are born, grow up and then do the same routine every single day for the rest of our lives, and then die. no afterlife, and no before-life. we exist in the small timespan we are alive and nothing more. no soul, no spirit. christianity was simply made because people are afraid of death. they dont want to end. they want to live forever. they are spineless cowards.
TheFrozenfart 1 month ago
@TheFrozenfart ill tell u what i tell a lot of people, before u can say jesus is fake have some proof, and also we don't really care what u think we know where were going but do you know where ur going to go?
zxHUTTZYxz 3 weeks ago
@zxHUTTZYxz there u go brother speak the truth say it with your chest JESUS IS LORD GOD KING AND SAVIOR
lion49nfl 3 weeks ago
@lion49nfl now i dont understand why you support this fool. because by simply writing that comment he made a fool of himself. now if you would read the comment i wrote back to him you shall see why. and it is for this reason that in turn, you also become a fool,for supporting a fools words. ignorance really seems to be bliss in the christain community.
TheFrozenfart 3 weeks ago
@TheFrozenfart brother before calling someone a fool we all must think bout oursleves and see who the real fool is
lion49nfl 2 weeks ago
@lion49nfl yes but what use is looking at your own foolishness if you are surrounded by bigger fools?
TheFrozenfart 2 weeks ago
@TheFrozenfart brother if you disbelive go test the book really study it yourselve read pray about but dont hate on christians cause they know the truth and all we want to do is to get people to heaven soulwinnging
lion49nfl 2 weeks ago
@lion49nfl i have already tested it. i have read it twice over cover to cover. and that is why i became an atheist, the more i read. the more it sounded like hot air and less like miracles. and you christians run around calling our ideas bull when in fact its the same scenario with you, you ask us for proof, we give it to you in cold hard facts, you say its lies, but when we ask you to give us proof, you either point to your book or say its all around us, and that is ridiculus.
TheFrozenfart 2 weeks ago
@lion49nfl so what im trying to say is we give you proof. you ignore it, we ask you for proof, you point to a book. and as with all the other christians ive talked to here, your grammar is terrible. every christian here spells like they are twelve. observation? you are idiots and fools with no true education which is why you believe in such foolishness to begin with. and again this conversation ends the same way with all the others. me leaving you looking more and more foolish.
TheFrozenfart 2 weeks ago
@TheFrozenfart peace and grace be with you i hope that he spirit of God opens your eyes and i hope you truly test it and pray about it the Most High asnwers those who call upon him
lion49nfl 2 weeks ago
@lion49nfl and that little speech right there is why i think so lowly of you. the same mistakes have been made even though i clearly pointed them out to you. yet you made the same mistake again. its a pity. even after all the the things i did to prove you and your little community wrong. you still blindly follow a magical old wizard that lives in the clouds, shoots lightining, and grants wishes. and you still have terrible grammar! some people are just too dumb to change.
TheFrozenfart 1 week ago
@lion49nfl and as a wise old man once told me. the saddest kind of people, are those that never learn.
TheFrozenfart 1 week ago
@TheFrozenfart and the Lord God the most high who made the heavens and the earth said the fool in his heart says there is no God
lion49nfl 1 week ago
@lion49nfl and the one with blind faith will quote something from the fools book, and he shall attempt at making himself look less foolish. but how can he look less foolish when he believes in a fairy tale, and believes the rubbish in its entire context?
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@lion49nfl That doesn't work. the bible actually deconverted me from christianity when I read it. How do you explain that ? Before I was a believer. After, I was not. The bible helped slowly wean me off of christianity as I discovered more and more about what it actually said. There I discovered there's nothing holy about that book. People said so much good about it to me, and I belived all their glowing reports, but study showed it was not, that it was rather profane, twisted. Evil.
winzo89 2 weeks ago
@zxHUTTZYxz if you actualy paid any attention to my comments u wouldnt have asked such a stupid question. this is why i think christians are so oblivious and stupid. i will say it again, the facts and REAL truth are all over the place, because in my most recent comment here the answer to your question is answered in black and white. had you actualy read it. you would have not put yourself into such a foolish position. that comment if yours does nothing but prove my point, IGNORANCE!
TheFrozenfart 3 weeks ago
@lion49nfl AGREED! :)
zxHUTTZYxz 3 weeks ago
PURE DIATRIBE
oneblueorange 2 months ago
It's hilarious how this video references what "many researchers" say, without ever giving attributions. Reminds me of how Pravda would introduce a blad-faced lie, "It has often been said..." Try finding modern Biblical scholars who deny Jesus' historicity... good luck!
stallion4life 2 months ago
it's hard to believe that people in modern times, still believe what the primitive., bronze-age, desert dwelling, goat herders wrote. Christians are an embarrassment to the USA
monkeypeopleofearth 2 months ago
@monkeypeopleofearth It's hard to believe that people accept the kind of bogus scholarship contained in videos like these uncritically, and parrot language like "bronze-age goat-herders" because they think it makes them sound smart.
stallion4life 2 months ago
nope, still no evidence
animaljp3 2 months ago
@animaljp3 its there in black and white...you simply cannot comprehend it because you were dumb enough to believe in jesus in the first place.
TheFrozenfart 1 month ago
Saying "Jesus is crap" only annoys people,and brings nothing to the equation,even proving non-realism of Jesus has no affect has well.
Simply because faith has more power then the truth for many...
Better is-to prove that the words of Jesus and the Bible LACK a lot of important things,Show that not only this religion,but many others,actually are no longer relevant due to changes in society,changes in human growth...and change in human/nature relationship.
Simply show where the path leads-Nowhere
Wharwulif 2 months ago
FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY, AS THE DIVINE PROPHETS HAD FORETOLD THESE AND THEN THOUSAND OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day." The biography of Alexander the Great was not wrote until about 500 years after his death by only two men, for many things were passed on orally at that time. But with Jesus we have a wealth of many other writings and documents out of the Bible.
studnubs 3 months ago
@studnubs
1. Josephus is a well known forgery
2. Josephus never met jesus, Josephus was not even born
3. The bible is written by non eyewitnesses 40 years or more after the so called events
4. Not even you met jesus
devante11 3 months ago
@studnubs
"But with Jesus we have a wealth of many other writings and documents out of the Bible."
There is no writings outside of the bible. No historian is writing until 200 years plus about a jesus and again this is had me downs orally that changed over time
The bible is the main source, but this is unreliable as it is written in the 3rd person [non eyewitnesses]
Your trust is in mortal primitive men [who never met jesus] that not even you have met
Your trust in in anonymous men LOL
devante11 3 months ago
Josephus the Historian wrote in the late 90's a.d "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES. HE WAS THE CHRIST. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him...
studnubs 3 months ago
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Finally someone who has it right!Absolutelty the masons have the cornerstone and the capstone in their ceromonies! Jesus is the best hand satan has to control our minds! why would satan allow jesus to steal his glory in churchs everyday unless he had something to gain from it! satan controls all the 501c3 churchs so he could make the silent about jesus in a fly's second! Jesus is control of the mind with the least resistence and would ensure a smooth reign in the millinium! jesus is lucif-us !
infonator1 3 months ago
What a LOSER that made this video. Hahaha! You are reaching sooo far hahaha. This doesn't even make any sense. GO TO BED!
mrcolbusmaximus 3 months ago
You walk down a Road and suddenly you fall down...
You see a blinding light. And feel a presence.
The first sings of brain cancer.
tilemacro 3 months ago
Because of christianaity we now have Islam and mormonsim on top of this garbage what the fuck else will it produce.
wachnathan 3 months ago
@wachnathan Islam is the one n only religion sent from God Almighty since Adam! Islam means to submit to the will of Almighty God the one n only Creator! All Prophets/Messengers are Muslims(submit to the will of God) from Adam to Muhammad the restorer n completer of the One n only religion/message from God! Christianity(Named after those who supposedly follow Christ) n Judaism(Named after the tribe of Judah) are cults! Abraham did not practice/follow Judaism but was a Muslim n Practiced Islam!!!
moeazysgc 2 months ago
@moeazysgc If god wants us to be servents then why even create us can't this prime being do anything it wants with out our help? why doesn't god just make us animals they obviously don't ask questions they just do am mean come on whats the point of giving men a brain and ability if we are just to waste our talents on being slaves? i would rather not exist at all if am just born a servent god can take my soul back i don't wanna bow down to him. God made me this way don't blame me for his fails.
wachnathan 2 months ago
@moeazysgc islam is a fraud created by charlatan muhammad and his insane fanatic followers,abraham and moses never existed,they r fake myths,no prophets were ever sent they were all made up,if god wanted us to be slaves then y create humans with free will ask them to be doing things knowing dat they r incapable of doing it and then punish them for dat well for eternity,it seems ur allah is an idiot with no brains,quran is a fraud fake copy of the holy shit called the bible,fuck islam
thescorpionking2020 2 months ago
@thescorpionking2020 You said "if God wanted us to be slaves then y create humans with free will ask them to be doing things knowing dat they r incapable of doing it"! U claim you are not capable of abstaining from sin/sins n following the laws of God n repenting 5 times daily n keeping the peace n loving your neighbor but are capable of denying n refusing the ways n Laws of God n causing Chaos n not Loving your neighbor because if you are then you are a ignorant miserable stubborn imbecile!!!!
moeazysgc 2 months ago
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so is islam and all the other man made religion/cults
serappia 3 months ago
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Christian?Do you believe in the Red Whore of Babylon?
Do you think god lives in a house?
Do you think Jesus was god?
Do you go every Sunday in the church to holy the antichrist?
Do you think Sunday ist the last day in the week?
Has Jesus said which religion to take?
What did Jesus wanted?That you believe in him or God?
If you really believe in God you have no Religion,only 1 Book.
Riden0001 3 months ago
BUT THE DEVIL MADE ALL THIS UP TO FOOL THE UNFAITHFUL
(why this argument unfortunately won't work with most christians)
PirateMonkeyFilmz 3 months ago
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@thone2008 "The Real name of "Paul" was "Pliny the Younger" - Josephus Flavius[Arrius Piso] was Jesus - Simon Peter was "Flavius Simonides Agrippa [Proculus], Joseph was [Gaius Piso]"..... and just who told you this? Do you have proof to back up these claims?
dwhite1up 3 months ago
I can understand that a person can debate the deity of Christ, but to say that Jesus didn't existed, leave out ALL of the evidence, and to twist the evidence is messed up dude. Paul is the most misunderstood figure in the Bible.
watch?v=AxqWpIv-uRE
watch?v=Xiot2UXGWdY
dwhite1up 3 months ago
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I can prove Jesus's existence if you want to be logical about it. Much extra-biblical evidence, even by those that hated Jesus. Many people such as Cornelius Tacitus, Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, Flavius Josephus, Pliny the Younger, Emporer Hadrian, and many more. The Jewish Talmud and the "Apocrypha" text. Also Gnostic text. 40+ Bible authors! Prophecy! Also the Shroud of Turin and it's has not been "debunked." There are many more relics. Constantine used the Holy Nails. He wasn't a myth.
dwhite1up 3 months ago
The Real name of "Paul" was "Pliny the Younger" - Josephus Flavius[Arrius Piso] was Jesus - Simon Peter was "Flavius Simonides Agrippa [Proculus], Joseph was [Gaius Piso]
thone2008 3 months ago
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youneekk 4 months ago
Thank you . I have come to this, at the age of 17, in 1976.
greylock1959 4 months ago
The video is absolutely correct. To say there were other authors before Paul who wrote early versions of Mark, is based on WHAT?
there are no copies, there are no references to earlier versions or texts, and Constantine did not start to compile the bible until 300 years after jesus was dead , cooked and eaten by his disciples.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
This is not quite correct , it not all down to paul even he did have a big role in setup of with the other roman councilers how Constantine's catholism was to be , there are the unknown authors and scholars before paul who wrote different variations of the old text of mark which was mainly an oral tradiation finally written down by other scholars , the scholars embelish the stories of jesus ressurect and the other gospels tieing them to myths of the greek and jew and other mythologies
jmm1233 4 months ago
Ill tell you better. You dont have plausible arguments and are lacking insights, you do not wish to learn anything outside that mental box youve put yourself inside. You are making attempts to insult me and put my family over this. Yet you claim to be the enlighthend one and me the person with an ego? Would any of this make sense? Again I dont want you to believe in anything. I tried to show you. You consider mehas this image of a religious people you have on your mind which I am not.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
FRom the book "Antiquity Unveiled" "Christianity is not from the Jews, but from the Greeks. It is a combination of the Platonic and Alexandrian doctrines, with the doctrines of Apollonius of Tyana...." (Cyrillus Luchar)
k0smon 4 months ago
People are so ignorant. History can not be relied on for the simple fact that humans make things up according to what they believe and call it History..Read the Bible you might learn something..
TransitionsEnabled 4 months ago
You had me at Crap!
Two thumbs up!
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
all atheists pease see this, please!: "watch?v=a_wIKiOgk10", "watch?v=8vj0qKthCgg", "watch?v=dBdQyjPh4AM", "watch?v=_K2I5P36-Z8", "watch?v=5HbtoX3Q5OI", "watch?v=w6UYe4v0-po", "watch?v=h0qiB2hbFwo", "watch?v=oXZCXIeg1hY", "watch?v=O6A11fqBFrU", "watch?v=6AbVOdRigOA". Then you will believe in God, or YOU WILL BE TOTAL IGNORANT.
mobiledev 4 months ago
@mobiledev Noahs ark? Really?!
you really think the entire earth was flooded in 2500BC, like the bible claims?!
Ask a native american why they didnt all drown like the bible says they were suppose to, and why all the millions of species on this DETACHED CONTINENT didnt drown.
Christians are dumber than a sack of hammers.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
Jesus' teachings in the sermon on the mount contains the same knowledge of Jewish Kabbalah, from the ancient gods like Hermes in Greece and from the Indian religions:
GENESIS 4:
15 Whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
= Matthew 7: 1-16
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged....
Matthew 5:
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God....
Liebhabaer1974 4 months ago
@Liebhabaer1974 Most religions share these points or variations thereof. Fun thought: Even though every religion disagrees with the others, each seem to revolve around the same few points. Even people without religion seem to come back to the same few points. Score one for evidence supporting the existence of the human conscience, right?
Patience1138 4 months ago
@Patience1138
Religions are man-made.
Jesus didn't come to bring a new religion to be worshipped. He taught cosmic laws, natural laws like the force of gravity which cannot be changed for own interests.
/watch?v=oiSkrxINkHA
Sense of life is not to follow a religion to worship gods, it's the life itself to collect life-experiences, which allows us to sin.
/watch?v=PVAGjR5hP4o
Liebhabaer1974 4 months ago
Actually the Jewish Talmud writes about Jesus although it mentions that he was not crucified but hanged, accused of witchcraft, apostasy whatever (although they dont believe in Jesus as a prophet). Additionally they said that this criminal was of the lineage of David... One thing you did got right and that is that the gospels are methaphors, symbolic in nature. Its episodes are meaningfull for those who understand what they mean.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k symbolic of WHAT?! the jewish people had 360 laws and regulations they had to follow, and everytime they broke one they had to give money and/or animals to the priests, who sacrificed (cooked) and then ate them.
It was a scam from the beginning, the bible has NOTHING to do with the reality of the nature of the universe, or the nature of life.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat I see that you hate Christians and truth. I gave proof in the discovery of the ark on the top arath - where it should be. I gave a lot of other evidence. I do not care that you hate and do not want to believe in God. Your case. But wake up because you truth has nothing to do with reality.
mobiledev 4 months ago
@mobiledev A video on youtube is PROOF?!
what are you, twelve?! Columbus proved the earth was not flooded as the bible claims when he discovered two complete detached continents, TEAMING with life. Dont give me that 'the continents split apart in 2499BC "kwrap.
And whats more, jesus referred to the flood as history, proving that JESUS WAS NOT A GOD, because he was dead wrong.
NO major christian demomination still teaches genesis as history.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat No point in showing your anger towards religion. I am not religious myself, though I am firmly convinced of the existence of a superior inteligence. The point is both atheists and biblists (loved that therm) have both become zealots of their own cause. Critical thinking is always the key. I am talking about simbolism because there is an evident second meaning to what is told in the bible. It doesnt matter if it was true or not, once you found it. It is knowlefdge.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k what second meaning? the bible is based on a self appointed priesthood that used animal sacrifice and tribal mythology to obtain an easy living.
The new testiment is based on human sacrifice commemorated by pretend cannibalism and drinking human blood. Jesus said you must love your enemies and hate your own parents.
Jesus was psychotic - what can you learn from a psycho?!
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat All shall be revealed, no worries... Mary Magdalene was about to be stoned. Here came Jesus and told the mob: Those who have never err to throw the first stone. By showing them their own imperfections they felt ashamed and left. - Mary Magdalene is a prostitute, a night dewler, that his someone that was in darkness (ignorance). Jesus saved her from condmemnation, redeems her and brings her back to the light (knowledge).
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k the old testiment penalty for adultry was death by stoning. In the time of jesus, the romans had taken authority away from the jewish people, and only ROMAN laws applied, so the jews had no legal right to stone the woman to death.
Besides, as you said, the stories are not true, they never happened, and most likey jesus never existed at all.
So some ancient goat farmer is writing your morals for you? Whats the matter, cant you figure things out for yourself?!
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
The ones that wanted to stone, represent the followers of the law of Moses, that is the local powers or the ruling powers of the universe. Yet Jesus says unto them: Are you perfect so that you have the right to condemn and judge her? The rulling powers of the universe realize their own limitations, felt ashamed and left. Jesus was not with the Law of Moses, but proclaimed to be above it. Where the Law of Moses said death, he clearly stand up and said Forgive.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k are you gonna come back and play the mystic card now?
there is secret knowledge and wisdom in the bible that YOU have become privy to?
guess what, all you are doing is spinning your OWN religion.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat That is the point my dear zealot. I am not religious. And in the same way that ignorance can lead unto religious mindslaves, the same ignorance may lead to other types of beliefs mind slaves such as your own. Atheism in certain aspects that were described here and there have became a religion. I am not asking you to believe in nothing. All that I am saying is that the episodes of the bible have hidden knowledge. If you find that knowledge useful or non useful I leave it up to you
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k Atheism is NOT a religion, its a rejection of claims other people have made regarding their interaction with a creator/god, based on their total lack of proof, and on statements these people have made that have been proven to be not EVEN wrong, the bible is totallly absurd
on every level.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Man your mind is inside a box because you cannot think out of it. First you ideintify me as a religous person. I am not. Second you identify loads of people has "christians", which you probably are referening too Chatolics and other orthodox churches. Thirdly, when I say Atheism is a religion, and that you are a follower it is because you have engaged in a set of pre-conceive thinking that does not allow you to break out of it - Êxactly in the same way has religious mind slaves
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Finnaly and hopefully this will be able to enlighten your mind to what I have tryed several times to share with you: you spend you all time searching the bilbe, trying to see if one passage says 300 horses and the other says 400 horses. Then you claim that the bilbe is incoherent and therefore it is not true. Ridicolous. Read what I said: Instead of trying to prove if the bible is historical right or not, try to understand and dechiper its message, Then you may talk to me.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Ans I almost forgot a rejection of claims is a belief that you have found the ultimate truth.That is a type of religion, with your priest Richard Dawkins. I am a scientis and what you are saying is refutable. Science is not the truth. It just gets closer and closer to the truth. Science can never and should never ever proclaim itself as truth. In fact Scientificly proven is one of the most misused terms ever and it contradict what science stands for.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat And to prove (lol you gotta love these insights) you that science cant either proof or disproof the existence of God, unless he proves himself into existence, you should consider an analogy to Errors type 4: These errors state that when making an experiment there will be unknowns that you unknown off and that you wont take into account although they actually are affecting your experiment.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k I dont have to disprove ANY generic concept of god that any person might imagine in their mind, because things you imagine in your mind have nothing to do with reality.
ALL I have to do is prove that any specific claims a person has made when they say they speak on behalf of a creator/god are false, and I have proven the GOD THEY ARE DESCRIBING does not exist....
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat The only thing you have proven is your inahibility to think outside your own mindset prejudice. As for things you imagine in your mind have nothing to do with reality, guess what, wrong again. Einstein imagine to run himself at the speed of light alongside a beam of light and by looking at the beam of light it would be frozen. How could that be? That is impossible. This imagined things in his mind helped him divise the hypthesis that Light speed was a terminal velocity.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat You have not proven that any specific claims are wrong, The only thing you have proven is your inability or disposition to even try to understand the message and what it has being said. That in science is called bias. Do you know that in science, most scientists already know the result of an exepriment before it is done? This leads to a trend in the scientific method. Same happens to you because you made an experiment which lead exactly to the results you wanted in the first place.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k wrote "most scientists already know the result of an exepriment before it is done."
Let's be a bit more precise here, and not cast undue confusion on the scientific method. There are too many on youtube who are already ignorant of the process.
I think it's incorrect to say scientists "know" the result. Better to say they "correctly predict" the result. This is because the hypothesis they are testing is based on previously observed data.
rmcdaniel423 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k A scientist who takes objectively observed data, sees an interesting question about it, predicts an answer by forming a hypothesis, then tests it with carefully designed controls that try to limit the variables being tested so the experiment is more precise, is most certainly NOT using bias in making "an experiment which lead exactly to the results you wanted in the first place."
Don't argue against the scientific method if you don't properly understand it yourself.
rmcdaniel423 4 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 Men you are the one who doesnt understand at all. The thing that I talked about the scientific method is well known for a long time. Ideally it would be expected that the scientist would draw his conclusion about that data. The reality is that the scientist thinks of an experiment with an objective, creates the data and then confirms his first conclusions. I am not arguing agains the utility of the scientific method. I am arguing against people who think that science if flawless.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k My apologies. I responded to a single comment you made, rather than taking the time to read all the way back in the prior history of comments. That put your comment out of context. Thank you for correcting me without insulting me. :-)
rmcdaniel423 4 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 Sorry myself if I was harsh. I do not want to make people belief or not belief in anything. I like the idea of people having many choices, and they are not always wrong or right, not black or white. All that I intended to say is that the gospels in the bible carry a hidden message (beyond literal meaning), and to achieve what it is said one must reflect and research these ancient meanings - And that is interesting, at least, to understand part of our ancient legacy
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 In case you are interested, the gospels of the bible could be interpreted upon understanding gnostic beliefs. These beliefs are quite different from the ones that most modern "christianity" talks about. In fact many suspect that they were the original movement, which was overpassed by the establishment of the Roman Catholic church (politics). It was a way of ancient misteries to be transmited between people that knew what they mean in secrecy.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 Even further on Dawkings. He made a crucial mistake as a scientist. A scientist needs to be sceptical about what he knowns and to give heartly a reasonable doubt before conducting an experiment. He did not do anything of this. He was convinced before the experiment that God didnt exist (be it truth or not) and that he would be there, spend some time and in the end he would say: Ok I didnt felt a thing, God is a lie.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k Do bad scientists, doing poorly designed experiments, often with bias, exist? Of course. And the good scientists view them with the same disrespect that you do. Probably even more so, because they give the good ones an unfairly bad image. When people read stories about these crappy scientists and their crappy work, it's not because science is a crappy process. It's because it works RIGHT, by weeding out the crap and showing it for the world to see.
Does religion do that?
rmcdaniel423 4 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 Thank you for your comments Daniel. I am a scientist too and I can tell that I enjoy Dawkings moove in trying to expose charlatans and false beliefs. Again both you and this other guy, seem not to read my coment at all. For several times I have stated I AM NOT RELIGIOUS. Dawkings makes a crucial mistake as a scientis that is he wants to say: God does not exist. Science only allows him to say: God is unlikely to exist. (period and if you know science you know this).
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k ...ALL of the important claims and actions the bible makes towards a creator/god HAVE BEEN PROVEN to be false, indisputably. The major demoninations acknowledge the genesis stories are nothing but parables, but the bible as a whole is self dependant. There was no adam who sinned against god, causing the whole race to fall, therefore there is no need to be saved by a human sacrifice nailed to a stick.
The bible is nothing but a crude tribal religion, it has NO redeeming value.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Again the point has been made. "The genesis stories are nothing but parables" Your own words man! Parables are stories with hidden knowledge. This hidden knowledge is available to the ones that can read and understand them. Your visions of the bible are related to what you have had many say, it has nothing to do with my own vision of it. You just tried to put me on a sack, among a huge bunch of people who have nothing to do with my opinion and my thoughts. Mind prejudice.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k in spite of your personal definition of what a parable is, the people who wrote the bible did not know or understand ANYTHING about the nature of the universe, or the nature of life, and any stories they made up about people and gods that do not exist have NO insight and NO value.
Einsteins thought experiments were based on his lifelong knowledge and observations of the universe, he did not pull them out of his ass, like you and the authors of the bible.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat The people that wrote the gospels understood much more than you could think of. The problem is that you want to interpret things of the past thinking like it was today. Even more to make you realise (hopefully your brain can still function outside of your little box) tell me what is moral of the story of Red Riding Hood?
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k The moral of the story of red riding hood is you dont leave your helpless mother living alone in the woods in a shack, and you dont sent children out to tend to your mothers needs when there are wolves lurking about.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Great man. Now that you dont know what the story is all about, maybe if you let me show you... The story of Little Red Riding Hood is about a young girl who meats a man which is more of a wolf (a beast). This men tricks her into taking bad paths, arrests her granny in the closet. When she arrives at the grannys home hes disguised. He tells red riding hood to take out her clothes and join him in bed. He then has the famous dialog where he eats her up (rapes the shit out of her).
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k You need to go back on your meds, this is not working for you at all.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Well man. I will leave you to reflect on what I said. You can also search the net for the original story of red riding hood, read it, think about what I have said and then calm, and with an open mind, if you want you can talk back to me. Mary Magdalene - for the 1001th time already, I couldnt care less if it is historically accurate or not, that is irrelevant to my point- The story is hidden knowledge, it is a methaphor and above all - YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IT, worst -you prefer not to
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k scroll down and read the rest of the replies.
The only thing I wonder about you is who is the person in your circle jerk that told you how gifted you are, and that you have mystical insight into things that most people cannot perceive
because they really rubbed one out of your ego but good, and here you are oozing your bullkwrap all over the internet after...? How long have you had this ego complex going? Mr Scientist?
HAHHAHAAA!
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k and let me know when I can come over and rape your sister, beat her to death, and take her life savings, so we can see what YOU REALLY THINK about all this cast-the-first-stone and forgiveness bullshit you keep spewing?
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat So behave like a grown up man. Talk to people just about what Ive said in relation to red riding hood. Maybe you will know someone who knows this meaning too. Search the internet, I am not the only people who know this. Even better, try women, most of them know what the story is about.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k Grow and and lets discuss the merit of grimms fairy tails together with the new testiment?!
You sure dont want to touch the cast-the-first-stone forgiveness nonense you brought up, do you?
Mr scienceJohn, please show us all the data you have collected that supports your mystical insight that not punishing someone who is guilty of a capital crime, and also forgiving them as if they have done nothing wrong, is the best choice for individuals and society to make?
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Ive come with the simple example of a fairy tale just to show you that you dont even know the meaning of a common fable story, evenless you would be able to interpret the gospels... Ive come here not to bring upon you to believe in anything, not to follow anything. I have stated and I will say it again: The gospels have hidden disguised knowledge that you are anware off. The problem here is your mind prejudice.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Just think of your attitude, know yourself. You are trying to say to people that the bilbe is npt a science book...Duh! Your personal attitude is not just alongside fanatics like when a leader of the muslim armed movement arrived at Alexandria and asked the wise men of his time (his scientists) that if there was more knowledge in the Kuran (their science books) then in the whole Alexandria library. They said no, they burnt all the "old books" in favor of the new one.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Even more worryng is that you are so eager to try to disproof me in any way possible that you aren t even capable of seeing what you are defending. Supposedly there was this guy named Jesus, who, at his time of little information and ignorance, was able to see that the barbaric costume of stoning a woman to death was wrong (2000 years ago). Today, with all the knowledge you have, the internet, the science books, you are not able to do the same, This barbaric costumes still exist.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Finnaly, and if you for once develop the reasonable doubt (which is something anyone who knows science must have) you are trying to interpret an old writen book like it was written in modern days. In order to undestand what the bilbe says, you need to firstly become awhare of how people tought at their times where science didnt exist. You need to understand symbology. You need to understan historical context. You need to be able to put yourself in their view of the world.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k there simply is no value in the thoughts or beliefs or ideas of ancient goat farmer tribes who based their lives on mythology.
And to THEM the bible stories were literally true, they observed 360 difficult laws supposively handed down to a character named moses by a creator/god, so THEY were not writing and reading symbology, THEY THOUGHT THAT SHIT WAS REAL, and did what it said to the letter.
So much for your mystical insight, you dont know anything about 1st century jews.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat You are so inside your mental box, that you havent even notice that your arguments have no relevance to anything that I argued you about. And that is because of your mind prejudice. Have I ever told you that the bible or even better the catholic bible has not been altered through time? Think not. What I told you and once again I claim, is that there is hidden knowledge in the gospels, and even further that you are ignorant of it. The reason why you are ignorant of it is quite obivous
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k the people who wrote the bible stories didnt HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE to hide in it.
You still have not responded to my offer to rape murder and rob you sister, so we can test your mystical insights on casting stones and forgiveness.
The nonsense that YOU are reading into the bible stories has NO VALUE.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Again you seem to be assuming that I am a follower of forgiveness,that forgiveness is the law. Again I tell you that the episode is much more deep than that, again I tell that the reason of your inability to read it is only due to your mind prejudice. Anyone who follows science would have to at least consider the hypothesis of what I am saying. By denying it outright,you are proving that you are a negacionist of the same level as a biblist denies science.
JohnyNotebOOk 4 months ago
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JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat And relating the bible being written and revised several times - So is science. So are science books. And I am a scientist, who understands, works with science and is absolutly passionate about its elegance and methods to help lead humanity into enlighthemnt. What I am not is a fundamentalist who is not able to consider other views out of arrogance and in the basis that science is the ultimate truth, when in fact that is corrupting sciences value and elegance.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k science books are updated and revised as NEW KNOWLEGE IS OBTAINED.
Religious books are altered to change the controlling influence they have over people, they dont contain ANY KNOWLEDGE and never will.
You keep saying you are a scientist, as if that means anything, and you keep proving that YOU ARE NOT.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Furthermore and just to make you understand the fool you are, the knowledge that I know off is known of the scientific community. In fact historical researchers of the Nag Haddami texts can tell you all about it. You can even look it up on the web under the name of Gnosis. It was a phylosophical/esoteric system known by a selected few. It is well documented and related to the gospels that are present in the bible. John the evangelist was a known gnostic.
JohnyNotebOOk 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat So the reason I waited this long is again just to prove that how ignorant you are, how flawed is your way of thinking. You are narrow minded. And such a narrow minded fool that besides having little hability to argue anything whatsoever, you even try to be uneducated in your arguments and try to bring up familiy into this. Such an elegant scientist are you, wouldnt you say?
JohnyNotebOOk 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat There is no value to his people. Think again. Apperantly you are absolutly ignorant to the philosophical origins of science. Plato, Socrates, Descartes - they all learned how to master the realm of thought.They had manytimes not more than these huge complex writings that most people, like you, were not able to dechiper. They had no labs, they used their brain without prejudice. PhD means philosophy doctor - an individual that has mastered the realm of critical thinking
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Fundamentalists in science like you are the same people that when Darwin came up with the theory of evolution put his face on top of a monkey body and made fun of him. It is against that mind prejudice that you must fight, because like I said, the youtube atheists and these youtube theists are both sects with beliefs, and which have more in common thant actually the things that makes them being appart.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Biblists say that they must not read a science book, as what is said there is nonesense. Youtube atheists say that you should not read a bible because what is there is nonensene. Biblists come to have found the ultimate truth in the origins of the universe and the existence of God. Youtube Atheists belief they have found the ultimat truth in the origins of the universe and the existence of God. Biblists live according to their beliefs and views of the universe. Atheists the same.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat "There is simply no value in the thought or beliefs or ideas of ancient goat farmer tribe who based their lives on mythology" You want so much to be right, that you dont even think about the barbaric meaning of your claims. That would be the equivelant of scientists arriving to prehistoric cave paintings and say - These people were pimitive, their ideas are unimportant, just wash it out. The same for Egypt hieroghyps. The same for Sumerion writtings. RIDICOULOUS!
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k look up strawman fallicy, you are on the internet
and stop making a fool of yourself in front of the world.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat As for strawman falicy, look unto yourself. You have constantly denied everything Ive said, not even once considering to listen and think to what I was saying. And guess what? What I am saying exists and it exists among the scientific community knowledge. Again I tell you, you cant even decipher a childs tale like red riding hood... You thought it was to warn kids about forest wolves!eheheheheheh
JohnyNotebOOk 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebOOk your assertion that somehow the meaning you attach to a childs fairy tale is important or relavant or an indication of ANYTHING is (guess what?)
ANOTHER strawman argument.
You really suck at this. the problem is you have no grasp of how bad you suck at this.
and are not even entertaining anymore in your absurdity.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat A strawman argument is to say that what I am saying exists and is within the scientific community? How about you take on the time to understand why your attitude was wrong since the very beggining? That would sure make thinks easier...
JohnyNotebOOk 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Science books have been writend and re-writend several times. Ideas have been abandonned, renewed, desbilief, reconsidered, desrigarded, seen has irrefutable and then disproofed. Does this takes any value of an older scientific book? Ridicoulous. For freeing your mind, I advise you not to read any religious texts, but the work of someone who like the supposed Jesus died for his beliefs: Socrates. His ideas have remained until today (though he is generally consider dangerous)
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat As for the data you are asking: These books, either you like or not, are data! Any historian, archeologist that would have listen to your comments that these books are to be ignored would look at you would disregard. They are our legacy of other times. I even go further, there are more books being found, archeological findings like the dead sea scrolls and the Nag Hadami library documents. Inform yourself about these findings. This is the DATA you have to work upon.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k the bible was written by unknown authors at unknown dates, and has been edited and altered many times, and YOU equate it with scientific data.
That pretty much drives the last nail into your claims of being a 'scientist'.
and once more from the top, at the time portrayed in the cast-the-first stone story, the jewish people did NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO STONE ANYONE FOR ANY REASON. So whatever spin you want to put on the story past that is just as meaningless as the story itself.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Your are such a foolv that you actually belief that in those times there was a Roman police station that would make sure that people obey the law. You are such a fool that in those texts there is no reference to where that episode has taken palce. . Even in my country there are people who make law by their own hand in little obscure villages. Nevertheless, your point is irrelevant to my arguments, neither it is of any importance to me if that episode happened historically or not
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat The secret knowledge of that episode (and it doesnt even matter if it was Mary Magdalene or not) can only be understood if you have the proper background knowledge.It has nothing to do with what you think of, like it being a rule that we must follow. In order for you to understand a bioquemistry book you need first to understand concepts of chemistry, physics, thermodinamics and biology. The same way here in order to understand the knowledge you have to think like they did.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k there is your mystical ego again. Who did this number on your mind? It had to be someone you trusted?
If I have a headache & take an asprin, it makes NO difference what I believe about headaches and asprin, the pill will do its job anyway.
Science is the same way, it works no matter what you believe. Your assertions that I must THINK the same way you do is pointless nonsense.
If there were any applicable information in the bible, it would be useful to everyone.
Its NOT THERE
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Person has postion X - Johny says there is hidden knowledge in the gospels and that hobbie cat is ignorant. Hobbie cat claims there is no hidden knowlegdge in the gospels and claims that where is that data and that data does not exist. Johny Says that data existis and is confirmed by historical researchers of humanity past among other philosophical personalities. Hobbie Cat answers - there is your mystical ego again. Who did... -You are a strawman, an ignorant and vain one
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k ... or as the title of this video says "Chritianity is CRAP!'
after days of babbling nonsense you have said nothing to refute that. All you've done is spew more crap, without a shred of real world knowledge or evidence or data to support your position.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Fortunatly most people, and scientists do not consider philosophy to be crap, but deeply rooted not only within science but also within the whole human experience. There is only one problem here, and that is that you are so unwinlingly able to understand that you were wrong your comments in your first place, that you are able to continue to try to win where your mind had already lost from the beggining.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Your problem thus resides on the preconceived idea of what I was to say, that is, you expect me, in the same way that a primitve man does, to bring out a miracle and make the red sea open in order to prove that I am this vision that you have of me "a mystic". Have I promissed you that? What did I told you from the beggining? There is hidden knowledge in the gospels. Period. What was the problem? Why did we started a discussion? Because you deny it.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat You deny what I said, dispite subsequent evidence of that there is knowledge which you are ignorant off. Red riding hood is one example. Mary Magdalene stoning is another. The dead sea scrolls Nad Haddami texts remainments of that knowledge. But, instead of facing the facts, you prefer out of sheer vanity, think that you know everything. Youre ignorance is so great that you beleive that by disproofing the bilbe you would even disproof the existence of god - be he real or not
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Furthermore, and you can scroll back to my first comments. I told you that if you would find that knowledge usefull or not it would be up to you. Still it would never stop to be knowledge. You are a limited person that believes that knowledge is either right or wrong. Again I advise you to consider to read about Socrates the philosophers work. If you think he was dumb and ignorant and a farmer, I must utterly remind you that Descarte, Laplace, Newton, Einstein were all philosophers.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat In order to understand christianity you need to know its origins. And that there are actually two version of christianity, and that is the reason why most people when say christianity are referring to the orthodoxs. You cannot read the gospels and arrogantly say that they are nonsense, when this derives of your lack of backgrond knowledge. It would be as stupid as someone who does not know mathematical numbers or symbology to read a book of maths and say - this is utterly nonsense.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat So in other words I asked you between taken the blue pill and the red pill. If you prefert the blue I must respect that. But even so it wont even change anything to everything I presented to you. And just to make you know how ignorant you are, even about many things who are right before your eyes, I just found an amazingly interesting film on you tube- called Phylosophy and the Matrix: Return to the source.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat This film is NO EVIDENCE of whatsoever. It is just to make you understand, that in the day, that you are able to understand the concepts that all these professors of philosophy are talking about, you will probably be ready to understand what I have said to you. And the funny thing is, that this documentary talks about the gnostic principles present in the fim: The matrix. These knowledge is hidden from you, is cast in front of you, and still you are not able to understand it.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat A video that could help educate your mind, on how at various time in history, great leading man of science where opposed by science fundamentalists who cannot think outside their mental square and deny things out of lack of personality than actually due to what his being proposed - Dangerous Knowledge (Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics) -BBC Besides this examples you will have of course Darwin and Einstein (he was set to shaken the established god of science, Newton, thoughts)
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k quit hogging all the comment space.... im no bible thumper and dont blindly believe in any ancient zombie.. but maybe u should write to him by clicking his name instead of wasting space on this page... i wanna read all the dumb christian comments talking about how the devil made this video...lol
neoanderson34 4 months ago
@neoanderson34 I already stopped everything no worries. Do not confuse christians with catholics please. It is quie a different concept. But good luck about devil coments hunting. And may he never cross your path, unless he promises you riches and the world! ;)
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat In order to think like they did you need to become versed in their comprehension of the universe, being it truth or not it does not matter. Another books that you can find with secret knowledge are alchemical texts. You read litteraly through it and you will think nonesense - in the same way that someone who does not know advanced maths looks at a complex engineering equation. This knowledge was not shared by the religious mind slaves, it was known by a selected few.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
The moral of the story is "Dont talk to Strangers", "Stay on the right road, watch out the paths that you take" (life choices. Above all this girl meets a wolf (man) who talks to her and she is not scared of him. That is because she has no concept of the dangers that wolves (men) present to her. It is thus a very ingenious work to transmit to young women precious knowledge about the world they are about to get into. Beware beware man you dont know, they want the honey you carry in the basket.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat Your being such a fanatic about your atheist beliefs that you havent even consider about why your personal atitude is ridiculous. Your way of thinking would have been the equivelent of archeologistis arriving at Egypt, seing those hierogliphs, and saying: "Wait they believe in God. lets not read this" ehheheeheheheh
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat "All the important claims...have been proven to be false, indisputably" There is nothing indisputably in science. There will never be. Anyone who makes such a claim is not a scientist but a fundamentalist, has good of a Taliban as any Taliban.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k keep chanting your mantra, Mystical Johnboy5. You wouldnt know what science is if it bit you in the face
that is why your mind is so confused and full of kwrap and do it yourself mythology.
i see you ignored my challence to post ANY of the mystic knowledge you say the bible contains. No surprize there.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@MrHobiecat I didnt ignored your chalenge. I immediatly posted one thing that you didnt understand at all. That was the episode of Mary Magdalene. You saw it, saw me describe it and still you didnt get anything out of what I said because you are only interested in disproofing. And this happens because you condmen a book, and in the same of the Nazis that burned books in the public square, or one of the Islam readers who decided to burn the library in Alexandria.
JohnyNotebO0k 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k on,.y took you what? 12 posts to play the nazi card? HAHHAHHAHAAA.
The woman in the stories you are confusing into nonsense was not MM, it was a woman caught in the act of adultry, which was a capital crime under the law of moses, but again, the romans had upsurpted their authority, and they could NOT stone her like moses demanded. If they, or jesus had stoned her, they would be arrested by the romans and executed for murder....
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k but mystic you reads into the confused/combined stories that its really all about a universal concept of forgiveness, and mutual guilt on everyones head, so that no person has the right to judge or punish another.
So lets put Mr Tire on Mr Road. Do you have a mother, sister? (I doubt you have a wife or daughter). How bout I come over and rape one of them, and then beat them to death, and take their life savings. By what possibly nonsense of thinking are YOU going to say...
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k ..the proper thing for YOU to do is to forgive me, and send me on my happy way? Be honest, that is PURE BULL SHIT and you know it.
Humanity has evolved in a social group. If one or more people becomes destructive and damages the group as a whole, there is NO redeeming value in simply forgiving that person, and allowing him to continue his rampage.
and there is no universal karma or god or afterlife in which all things will be made right.
Your mystic wisdom is bullshit!
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
@JohnyNotebO0k If you are going to keep saying the bible has deep hidden messages that only your mystic self can reveal, why dont you tell us what they are, so we can shoot them down and get this nonsense of yours over with?
The authors of the old testiment claim to be speaking on behalf of a creator/god, which has been proven to be a false claim, so anything else they have to say did NOT come from any god.
Jesus claimed to be god, also proven to be a false claim.
MrHobiecat 4 months ago
Atheism is crap, too.
pmoyer50 5 months ago