I know it's a "what if", but Gretzky for one had Kurri, Messier, Coffey, Anderson, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on. Lemieux had...Rissling, Loney, oh, and Warren Young...lol. On top of that, over his career he missed some 300+ games. Had he even been remotely healthy, he certainly would've given Gretzky a run for his money without question.
@jetdog13 uhhhhhhhh.......please take another look at the penguins roster from 89-92 his cup years , I count 7 hall of famers? not to mention 2 all time great coaches!
please take another look at the penguins "roster" from 84-90. You can count all the hall of famers you want, and no arguement here, there were a few. My point is that in the lean years prior to the cup years, Lemieux was basically a one man band in pittsburgh and made wingers like Warren Young wealthy men in their next contract, who then went on to do zero. My arguement is that given the same circumstances and health as Gretzky, Lemieux would've at least equaled Gretzky.
@jetdog13 to all the murphy's,francis,stevens,trottier,rechii,jagrs,coffy's,mullens................stop getting rings clinging to coat tails ya slackers..................do something already! and bowmen shut up your coaching is overrated! who cares about a dozen rings!
None of those players were with Lemieux in his beginning years unlike Gretzky who had a HUGE supporting cast in his first few years. You're missing the point of my argument. Did anyone hear from Rob Brown after he left Lemieux's side? One on one, sorry, Lemieux was unstoppable. Figure in the 300 plus games missed due to injury, cancer, etc. Anyone could put up a legitimate argument that Mario could've caught Gretzky. But we'll never know.
@jetdog13 what we DO know is that Gretzky can't coach for shit, and Lemieux can be a team's owner, as much as I hate the Penguins, Mario is doing right by the team.
@jetdog13 Bud I gotta set you straight, I'm getting tired of telling poeple this too. All those Oilers players you mentioned aside from Messier's careers were made by Gretzky, those players never had anywhere near as big success on another team. When the Pens won the cup in '92 their top 6 forwards were Lemieux, Jagr, Francis, Joe Mullen, Kevin Stevens, & Rick Tocchet. All were multiple all-stars & 4 are hall-of-famers & some of those guy's best years were without Lemieux on their team.
So you're gonna compare Glenn Anderson, Jari Kurri, Esa Tikanen and the like to Lemieux's supporting cast when he first entered the league? Seriously?? Mention ANY PLAYER from when Lemieux first entered the league up until he won the cup that did ANYTHING, PERIOD. Warren Young? Terry Riskowski? Gary Rissling? I'm not arguing teams, I'm arguing Lemieux versus Gretzky and who they made as players. Lemieux had ZERO support early on and still dominated as a player.
as far as pure goal scoring ability....nobody is even close to mario,had he stayed healthy he would have set goal records...even wayne admits this fact!!!!
@T16Remix Howe won the league MVP 6 times & has more records than anyone except for Gretzky, saying he wasnt that good shows you know nothing about hockey. NO ONE was better than Gretzky, Period!
You're crazy, let's be real! Gretzky has just about every record there is in hockey, has well over 1,000 points more than 2nd place all-time (1,000 points is a milestone itself if you can score that much in your career!) & has more assists than anyone else has points! (Howe & Messier played 20+ seasons & still couldnt match Gretzky's assists with pts!). I know everyone has the right to their own opinion, but I think anyone who doesnt think Gretzky is the best ever has something wrong with them!!
& you even have Howe ahead of Gretzky & have Gretzky as 3rd??!?!?!?!!!!! That's nothing more than an insult to the game of hockey! It figures you're an American!
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goalies were not as good back then as they are now lol
21Rushisaband12 3 months ago
its all about bobby orr! but i i love lemieux
hockeylou14 10 months ago
any goalie nowadays can save that
DBZJohnny123 1 year ago
I know it's a "what if", but Gretzky for one had Kurri, Messier, Coffey, Anderson, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on. Lemieux had...Rissling, Loney, oh, and Warren Young...lol. On top of that, over his career he missed some 300+ games. Had he even been remotely healthy, he certainly would've given Gretzky a run for his money without question.
jetdog13 1 year ago
@jetdog13 uhhhhhhhh.......please take another look at the penguins roster from 89-92 his cup years , I count 7 hall of famers? not to mention 2 all time great coaches!
BIGRED224FOREVER 8 months ago
@BIGRED224FOREVER
please take another look at the penguins "roster" from 84-90. You can count all the hall of famers you want, and no arguement here, there were a few. My point is that in the lean years prior to the cup years, Lemieux was basically a one man band in pittsburgh and made wingers like Warren Young wealthy men in their next contract, who then went on to do zero. My arguement is that given the same circumstances and health as Gretzky, Lemieux would've at least equaled Gretzky.
jetdog13 8 months ago
@jetdog13 to all the murphy's,francis,stevens,trottier,rechii,jagrs,coffy's,mullens................stop getting rings clinging to coat tails ya slackers..................do something already! and bowmen shut up your coaching is overrated! who cares about a dozen rings!
BIGRED224FOREVER 8 months ago
@BIGRED224FOREVER
None of those players were with Lemieux in his beginning years unlike Gretzky who had a HUGE supporting cast in his first few years. You're missing the point of my argument. Did anyone hear from Rob Brown after he left Lemieux's side? One on one, sorry, Lemieux was unstoppable. Figure in the 300 plus games missed due to injury, cancer, etc. Anyone could put up a legitimate argument that Mario could've caught Gretzky. But we'll never know.
jetdog13 8 months ago
@jetdog13 Well said. I believe Lemieux had a better point/game ratio than Gretzky. That says it all.
mart775 4 months ago
@mart775 Nope, Gretzky has Lemieux beat in the points-per-game category
JaguarLexusCentral 3 weeks ago
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mikemyerz666 4 months ago
@jetdog13 what we DO know is that Gretzky can't coach for shit, and Lemieux can be a team's owner, as much as I hate the Penguins, Mario is doing right by the team.
mikemyerz666 4 months ago
@jetdog13 Bud I gotta set you straight, I'm getting tired of telling poeple this too. All those Oilers players you mentioned aside from Messier's careers were made by Gretzky, those players never had anywhere near as big success on another team. When the Pens won the cup in '92 their top 6 forwards were Lemieux, Jagr, Francis, Joe Mullen, Kevin Stevens, & Rick Tocchet. All were multiple all-stars & 4 are hall-of-famers & some of those guy's best years were without Lemieux on their team.
JaguarLexusCentral 8 months ago
@JaguarLexusCentral
So you're gonna compare Glenn Anderson, Jari Kurri, Esa Tikanen and the like to Lemieux's supporting cast when he first entered the league? Seriously?? Mention ANY PLAYER from when Lemieux first entered the league up until he won the cup that did ANYTHING, PERIOD. Warren Young? Terry Riskowski? Gary Rissling? I'm not arguing teams, I'm arguing Lemieux versus Gretzky and who they made as players. Lemieux had ZERO support early on and still dominated as a player.
jetdog13 8 months ago
Anyone who dosn't think Gretzky is the greatest player of all-time (so far) is confused and misguided. The record books basically belong to Gretzky.
jazzguitar2010 1 year ago
meh eberles was better
wolfboy97 1 year ago 3
as far as pure goal scoring ability....nobody is even close to mario,had he stayed healthy he would have set goal records...even wayne admits this fact!!!!
goog1967 1 year ago
Fuckin' sick fist pump.
nCorelli 1 year ago
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1-bobby orr
2-gordie howe
3-wayne gretzky
4-maurice richard
5-mario lemuix
hockeylou14 2 years ago
1. Gretzky
2. Lemieux
3. Orr
4. Howe
5. Richard
LeafsFlamesAndOilers 1 year ago 8
@LeafsFlamesAndOilers bobby orr
hockeylou14 1 year ago
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T16Remix 1 year ago
@T16Remix Howe won the league MVP 6 times & has more records than anyone except for Gretzky, saying he wasnt that good shows you know nothing about hockey. NO ONE was better than Gretzky, Period!
LeafsFlamesAndOilers 1 year ago
@LeafsFlamesAndOilers
Howe played until he was 86...lol.
jetdog13 8 months ago
@LeafsFlamesAndOilers
1. => 5. Lemieux
mise70 1 year ago
@LeafsFlamesAndOilers top 5 i agree, that order. nah lol
GeeTARnugget 4 months ago
@LeafsFlamesAndOilers 1.Howe 2.Gretzky 3.Hull 4.Lemieux 5.Orr Lets go pens
1timthekid 3 weeks ago
You're crazy, let's be real! Gretzky has just about every record there is in hockey, has well over 1,000 points more than 2nd place all-time (1,000 points is a milestone itself if you can score that much in your career!) & has more assists than anyone else has points! (Howe & Messier played 20+ seasons & still couldnt match Gretzky's assists with pts!). I know everyone has the right to their own opinion, but I think anyone who doesnt think Gretzky is the best ever has something wrong with them!!
LeafsFlamesAndOilers 1 year ago
& you even have Howe ahead of Gretzky & have Gretzky as 3rd??!?!?!?!!!!! That's nothing more than an insult to the game of hockey! It figures you're an American!
LeafsFlamesAndOilers 1 year ago
lemieux fuck the rest
swisskrelle 2 years ago
that was his first GAME alsow.
flygaia 3 years ago
I think it was his first shift and shot as well
VinceThePinch 3 years ago 12
1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Bobby Orr
3. Gordie Howe
4. Mario Lemiuex
ROBCRX 3 years ago
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1.wayne gretzky
2.Maurice richard
3.bobby Orr
4.Guy lafleur
5.Gordie Howe
6.Mario lemieux
mailly28 3 years ago
rob has the right order.
flygaia 3 years ago
1- Bobby Orr
2- Wayne Gretzky
3- Gordie Howe
4- Mario Lemieux
5- Maurice Richard
PhenomenalKing 3 years ago
rob has the right order.
flygaia 3 years ago
rob has the right order.
flygaia 3 years ago