funny stuff, thanks for the "grass in the wind". Being a real investigator people like this "person" shows how ghost research has failed from the 70s to now. Oh, if emp caused ghosts, all the houses near high power lines would be haunted, lol
Its just a piece of old spiderwebb condenced with mornigdew filmed with a 2,50 dollar fisherprice cellphone. The webb is coming loose by the wind , and takes it away
Self forfilling prophessy is a comon problem about paranormal items on u-tube
@sydonabike Faked what though? Unless you were the one filming and/or faking this video then all you have is what we have; a video to look at and speculation as to what it is.
this can easily be done by laying a picture over the filming, dont know if this is what these guys done but it looks planted over the top of the footage
@ghostbear1969 Interesting video. Not sure what it is but it's there! Ghost is one possible answer. A small piece of web on lens being blown off is another answer. Who knows?
If its real, than... I don;t know it still isn't anything to convincing. This type of video is just to easy to "fake." I am not accusing anyone of anything, but with the amount of nutjobs on Youtube, it is hard to look at something like this and say OH IT'S REAL! By the way, Ghostbear makes a good point, the glass he would have to carry around to make that video the way they say it was faked would be ENORMOUS.
Does anyone know or have the photo of the ghost girl named Laura Arroyo that would appear at night in a billboard along time ago in 1991 in Chula Vista in Broadway street? I want to see the photo or video of her ghost that would appear in the billboard at night.
It looks real to me. I don't see any glass between you and the trees or wherever. The glass explanation isn't convincing to me at all. What i see is a spirit dissipating into thin air. Very good video!
Some people have a need to see for themselves in the real. . When I saw for myself I became paranormal investigator.. I don't do it any longer but I tell you I have seen, heard, felt ghosts. They ARE real. You have a unique video here. I believe this video genuine and an awesome capture. I have an EVP of a little girl saying "are you my mother". Only two of us in a bedroom of a haunted house. We didn't hear a thing until we played the tape back to see if we captured anything.
It's an interessting lesson in human psychology to read all the comments on both sides here. Each side presents a reasonable argument and jumps to the conclusion that their argument has proven something factual. Neither side has proven anything.
And you, gabbyuberpwn, what science do you refer to when you say that a " it takes a lot of energy for a spirit or ghost to" show itself? That may be the prevailing belief, but it is NOT a proven fact.
And another thing... why is it ghost hunters that claim to have a ghost on camera always have the shittyst video quality? i can record a better clip with a $75 flip...and i see glass also...and dont blame the vid quality on Youtube or the upload cause there are 10yo kids on here doing a better job than you...
My question is why do you guys get to capture the ghost/spirit when no one else can... im sorry but im going to go with Samantaperezfly on this one...
the moon landing is fake: jfk was killed cause he was going to spill the beans on how fake it was. americants couldnt have the russians beat them,so they faked it. its funny how over 50y later & no one has ever walked another planet. even to this day the closest anyone has come to being on another planet, is a robot on mars. get alife non believers. u know what.i hate americants. they are fake wannabes. these comments are fake.
video.and i invit u for feb/10/2010 in youtube real ghosts picter footeg that we had hard time to collecting those and evry buddy welcome to see those picters by that time
I don't think that they usually intend to be seen...some of them maybe do intentionally try to make themselves known, but I think the majority of ghosts that we are fortunate enough to capture on film are the one's called, I think, redundant hauntings. They are just going about their business and not even really noticing us.
But who knows. I just enjoy looking for them and am terribly curious as to why they are here.
oh god....its not a ghost.......its jus very thin branch.......1-5 secs its jus still.....fter tht its changing pos probably cause of very light breeze....
I dont think its fake because of how fast the thing moved from one point to the other. however, I just wonder why most times when a ghost is caught on tape the tape seems so damn grainey and unclear. also although it requires a lot of energy for a ghost to do this, I believe that if the atomosphere creates the right set of circumstances it is possible for them to use that energy to come in and show themselves. this is why we dont see them too often. the atomosphere is not right. or energy
I love how these idiots look at this something I think could be very real, but see the full body apparition, with a full face, hair in color (clearly someone photoshopped into a video to look creepy) and its real. Don't they understand it takes a lot of energy for a spirit or ghost to do that? As a matter of fact I don't think any ghost can, I think only a demon can. obviously none of these commenters know much of anything. I think this is good... but really bad video quality hard to tell.
[quote: obviously none of these commenters know much of anything.]
like you know anything....that little comment right there just shows how much of a butthole you are to people. its fine to think this video is fake, i do so myself, but you still dont need to bash people just because apparently you "know more than any of these commenters on here"
gohsts are not real but the haunting is. demonds take shape of earthly things but are not what they seem. what you think is a human spirit is not that but is in fact a spirit creature.
know what'd be funny to do? get a video of a real (or darn convincing) ghost on video....and then right at the last few seconds , insert a screamer pop up. people would be all tense waiting for it, then they'd see the real ghost...and then be like "wheeew thank god!" RAAWRRWRWRWR!!! XD
weird how people are less afraid of a "Real ghost" than a screamer.
a glass between camera lens and first trees, and a person walking behind cameraman and reflets on the glass, then we can see your ghost FAKE FAKE FAKE, not convincent...
Sorry....... but still NO. Like I said just simply wouldn't take the time to do such an elaborate "scheme" just to try and fool people. I (We) have to much integrity, we are a serious and REAL paranormal group. Granted there is a lot of bullshit on youtube saying "real ghost" and isn't, but I don't like wasting peoples time, not to mention the credibility of the group. Sorry not a risk I'm willing to take. Lastly,someone would have to be behind the camera, it was turned on then we left.
@ghostbear1969 Not to mention I totally see loads of ghost videos all youtube, most were fake. Only a certain number of videos were real, and I can tell that. I see this as a NO JOKE video. Thanks for the time
Well I have to say that was original thinking, but I'm sorry I had to laugh. A piece of glass that big would be very heavy and I'll be damned if I take the trouble to carry something like that, into the woods mind you, and take the chance of breaking it have to back buy another piece, and so on......Sorry not fake, but nice try though.
@ghostbear1969 - Actually it can be done with a Piece of plexi-glass. Just search this title on youtube - How to FAKE a Ghost video!!!
The plexi would be lighter.
Why would you just randomly be videoing out in the middle of the woods? No house, no building. Just some woods? Like you all just knew that a ghost would appear there. Also, I dont know many people who would just leave a Video camera just running alone in the woods....
Actually we had the camera in all directions, at some point. What is on here is just what we happenend to catch that day. That 14 seconds of footage was out of probably a total of 3hrs worth of tape that we had filmed that day.
But why, that certain point, and if you guys know that there is a spirit there, van you guys so show me a longer video, and if possible an explanation.
Cheers,
P.S my intelligence has notthin to do with this, im not a ghost haunter but I would love to learn more about it, and investigation is nessarry
yeah me too man... I just saw a video in which I was hoping to see something interesting but... you can guess what I saw and my reaction!!! (I almost got a heart attack!!!) Wanna see it? :P
LOL, I read the comments before watching the video. I hate screamers, I don't understand why it's fun for the person who posted it. They don't see a reaction.
funny stuff, thanks for the "grass in the wind". Being a real investigator people like this "person" shows how ghost research has failed from the 70s to now. Oh, if emp caused ghosts, all the houses near high power lines would be haunted, lol
goldgrif 3 months ago
I saw the ghost but you need better video quality =)
queentab25 5 months ago
Its just a piece of old spiderwebb condenced with mornigdew filmed with a 2,50 dollar fisherprice cellphone. The webb is coming loose by the wind , and takes it away
Self forfilling prophessy is a comon problem about paranormal items on u-tube
schuur10 5 months ago
LOOK CLOSE, my opinion it's a reed or piece of long grass slowly blowing sideways in the wind.
majorREALITYseeker 5 months ago
*sarcascm voice* i just love how you put the dramatic music when you saw the "ghost"
mjlover4lifeful 7 months ago
that's just someone smokin a dube behind the tree
basslightning1 7 months ago
beautiful .....
vikasgoluvikas 7 months ago
OMG, IT'S THE ALLERGY GHOST, GET SOME ALLEGRA!!!!
dallased25 8 months ago
to be honest, would like to know where this was filmed at and do abit of investigating myself
Ghosthunter3708 9 months ago
sexy
TheIRONMANPRO 9 months ago
UHHH, why were you even recording?
nalani005 9 months ago
where were you in ARkansas?
swatson1190 9 months ago
Can't just one of these ghost videos be in HD for once
YoungFlannel 9 months ago
fake but it looks like a dinasaur
stephy072770 9 months ago
What movie making software was used to make this?
carcano38 10 months ago
@sydonabike Faked what though? Unless you were the one filming and/or faking this video then all you have is what we have; a video to look at and speculation as to what it is.
Itsmeeman1 10 months ago
photo with a reflective surface over it and someone behind the camera moving.
sydonabike 10 months ago
Wow, its probably a car you fucking idiot. There just so happened to be something happen where you randomly put a camera down at.
8lllllIIIIID 10 months ago
why would there be a camera randomly set there unless u were expectingthat to happen
TheKingsp8d 10 months ago
this can easily be done by laying a picture over the filming, dont know if this is what these guys done but it looks planted over the top of the footage
FlairJunkies 11 months ago
Interesting!!!!
ghost4x3 11 months ago
the most convincing thing about this video is that you need a new camera :o
ailocin 11 months ago
@ghostbear1969 Interesting video. Not sure what it is but it's there! Ghost is one possible answer. A small piece of web on lens being blown off is another answer. Who knows?
Itsmeeman1 11 months ago
@Itsmeeman1
No its just fake.
sydonabike 10 months ago
what(who)ever that is, it vanishes out at the end in a very very strange way... Are you sure it is a ghost?
deimos2k6 11 months ago
Does any one else see the evil face in the back ground????????
Icedragoness11 11 months ago
@Icedragoness11
Yeah. its someone trying to deceive you into thinking this is something it isn't.
sydonabike 10 months ago
its just like an insect cross..
johnelleism 1 year ago
OMG!!!!! A BUTTERFLY!!!NOOOOOO!!!!
alphalis86 1 year ago
BS
paulmax71 1 year ago
Spooky
SuperPresidentDead 1 year ago
Fakeness.. :[
KittyKazooTV 1 year ago
fake but nicely done :D and a happy 2011 man :)
freshnaked 1 year ago
It looks like something (spider web maybe) is hanging there, and gets caught in a breeze. Sorry, no ghost here.
jstingray 1 year ago
thumbs up if you got freaked out by the scary music and fast forwarded to the end for a scary picture of the guuy in high school
stefay720 1 year ago
If its real, than... I don;t know it still isn't anything to convincing. This type of video is just to easy to "fake." I am not accusing anyone of anything, but with the amount of nutjobs on Youtube, it is hard to look at something like this and say OH IT'S REAL! By the way, Ghostbear makes a good point, the glass he would have to carry around to make that video the way they say it was faked would be ENORMOUS.
beruud 1 year ago
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Does anyone know or have the photo of the ghost girl named Laura Arroyo that would appear at night in a billboard along time ago in 1991 in Chula Vista in Broadway street? I want to see the photo or video of her ghost that would appear in the billboard at night.
SilverFina 1 year ago
ghosts are REAL!!
kasperlives 1 year ago
Even before you consider the apparent 'ghost' you have to ask yourself why would someone be recording this very static and boring part of a forest.
reidvfx 1 year ago
It looks real to me. I don't see any glass between you and the trees or wherever. The glass explanation isn't convincing to me at all. What i see is a spirit dissipating into thin air. Very good video!
trimas3 1 year ago
Honestly this just looks like a blurred video of a stick insect.
ShoshHardner 1 year ago
It's predator.
greedkiller 1 year ago
Yup, fake.
A bad, effortless one at that.
spymak7 1 year ago
looks interesting for sure...but the music makes it seem fake lol
Hailaciousable 1 year ago
Looks to me like something broke off the tree and blew away.
PanManVidz 1 year ago
hum interesting. why did you put up a camera on that spot? were there any claims?
I guess the quality of the vid is just too poor to convince...
it could be anything. Was it a new tape? is there a street behind the trees?
Nelalipe 1 year ago
this is faker than fakey fakertons fake moustache
likelytodye 1 year ago
@likelytodye Dont you dare question Fakey Fakertons fake moustache, it could be real.....
VIPandalicious 1 year ago
@VIPandalicious Fakey is my best friend and he dont mind if i make fun of his moustache in fact i think he likes it,hes a kind of sad person really
likelytodye 1 year ago
Kinda looked like a deer at first, but then I watched again and could see it wasn't. lol. (I have eye sight issues. xD)
GorejussxPsycho 1 year ago
i can say one its a one big fake
DJO9393 1 year ago
It just stands there then moves away in a curve, do you think its a spiderweb that broke off a tree?
STFU149 1 year ago
thanks for sharing video actualy makes you think what the hell it is.
rshplumbing 1 year ago
Some people have a need to see for themselves in the real. . When I saw for myself I became paranormal investigator.. I don't do it any longer but I tell you I have seen, heard, felt ghosts. They ARE real. You have a unique video here. I believe this video genuine and an awesome capture. I have an EVP of a little girl saying "are you my mother". Only two of us in a bedroom of a haunted house. We didn't hear a thing until we played the tape back to see if we captured anything.
MaggieInNY 1 year ago
@MaggieInNY Why wont you do any paranormal investigating anymore? Its not all that bad. Plus, ghosts are far from the greatest thing to worry about.
VIPandalicious 1 year ago
It's an interessting lesson in human psychology to read all the comments on both sides here. Each side presents a reasonable argument and jumps to the conclusion that their argument has proven something factual. Neither side has proven anything.
And you, gabbyuberpwn, what science do you refer to when you say that a " it takes a lot of energy for a spirit or ghost to" show itself? That may be the prevailing belief, but it is NOT a proven fact.
changing3 1 year ago
At least it wasnt someone in a sheet! lol and no screamer at the end.
katmagoo1 1 year ago
It seemed to the below part of the human body was filmed in this video!
mspoorlife 1 year ago
I can tell is real, I know when it's real and fake, but this looks real
elcucuydesmadrugado 1 year ago
And another thing... why is it ghost hunters that claim to have a ghost on camera always have the shittyst video quality? i can record a better clip with a $75 flip...and i see glass also...and dont blame the vid quality on Youtube or the upload cause there are 10yo kids on here doing a better job than you...
ding0925 1 year ago 5
My question is why do you guys get to capture the ghost/spirit when no one else can... im sorry but im going to go with Samantaperezfly on this one...
tunicman 1 year ago
im not saying that this is fake but why would you be filming a space in between two trees
iamginge1 1 year ago 4
wtf
MizzAsukai 1 year ago
oh that was cool
battousaiblade 1 year ago
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the moon landing is fake: jfk was killed cause he was going to spill the beans on how fake it was. americants couldnt have the russians beat them,so they faked it. its funny how over 50y later & no one has ever walked another planet. even to this day the closest anyone has come to being on another planet, is a robot on mars. get alife non believers. u know what.i hate americants. they are fake wannabes. these comments are fake.
farmerricho 1 year ago
wow! That looks just like the ghosts I see.
yea it's real.....(where is this at in Arkansas?)
nathanip1 2 years ago
cool
RIOTfan08 2 years ago
hmmmm... looks real
xSmudgestickx 2 years ago
hmmm...
*ponders* yeah need to see the whole thing to form an opinion.
Mongodos 2 years ago
Fake glass behind the scene shit lol!! great dough
ERICINMYPOCKET 2 years ago
fake but creepy
hopndrop1 2 years ago
hmmm........ for paranormal activity i would i have to see it to believe it
criptinite8 2 years ago
@criptinite8 possilble by the way in might because it`s music really startle me
danielrobertramirez 2 years ago
This guy is recording a video screen, and the ghost is a person walking behind the camera leaving a reflection on the glass screen. Fake Fake Fake...
funkyplayer4212 2 years ago
video.and i invit u for feb/10/2010 in youtube real ghosts picter footeg that we had hard time to collecting those and evry buddy welcome to see those picters by that time
Ksapehr11 2 years ago
I don't think that they usually intend to be seen...some of them maybe do intentionally try to make themselves known, but I think the majority of ghosts that we are fortunate enough to capture on film are the one's called, I think, redundant hauntings. They are just going about their business and not even really noticing us.
But who knows. I just enjoy looking for them and am terribly curious as to why they are here.
patriotgyrl65 2 years ago
oh god....its not a ghost.......its jus very thin branch.......1-5 secs its jus still.....fter tht its changing pos probably cause of very light breeze....
fahg2h8 2 years ago
I dont think its fake because of how fast the thing moved from one point to the other. however, I just wonder why most times when a ghost is caught on tape the tape seems so damn grainey and unclear. also although it requires a lot of energy for a ghost to do this, I believe that if the atomosphere creates the right set of circumstances it is possible for them to use that energy to come in and show themselves. this is why we dont see them too often. the atomosphere is not right. or energy
spoilme40055 2 years ago
I love how these idiots look at this something I think could be very real, but see the full body apparition, with a full face, hair in color (clearly someone photoshopped into a video to look creepy) and its real. Don't they understand it takes a lot of energy for a spirit or ghost to do that? As a matter of fact I don't think any ghost can, I think only a demon can. obviously none of these commenters know much of anything. I think this is good... but really bad video quality hard to tell.
gabbyuberpwn 2 years ago 7
@gabbyuberpwn
[quote: obviously none of these commenters know much of anything.]
like you know anything....that little comment right there just shows how much of a butthole you are to people. its fine to think this video is fake, i do so myself, but you still dont need to bash people just because apparently you "know more than any of these commenters on here"
tylerd0723 1 year ago
could be possible?
722erodz 2 years ago
Shut up you fags!
goldenrod2 2 years ago
why fuckin bother
TheThevision 2 years ago
mm its a video of.........nothin
colsh1690 2 years ago
this ghost here is just a spider-web-thing
Garother 2 years ago
she wants her doll lol that bitch stole it so she said ima gona knock her da fuckz out biatch
Shaundi5 2 years ago
Oh god this is so faked.
eowynofrohan 2 years ago
umm ok
PIMPBOYBROOKLYN77 2 years ago
FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gizzlight 2 years ago 2
Please stop with the dumb ass music too! This makes it less credible right off the bat for me.
TheBobby73 2 years ago
This is fake. Why is there a spot on the tree that is blinking when the "ghost" comes out? It continues to blink afterword too.
TheBobby73 2 years ago
??????
supersailorS 2 years ago
A girl of 6-8 years old, chin-length medium brown hair. She spreads out her arms as she runs off (like many little kids do) and fades away.
Ryudenki 2 years ago
i jus wish theres someone who wouldnt run when they see a ghost so theres a strong evidence that ghosts r real so other ppl would believe it
ak47andgunnin 2 years ago
most of the time they dont see it until they look at the tapes later
calikk26 2 years ago 15
gohsts are not real but the haunting is. demonds take shape of earthly things but are not what they seem. what you think is a human spirit is not that but is in fact a spirit creature.
zigzag6841 2 years ago
I agree with you entirely on this. I take it you are a christian.
pjpless2 2 years ago
Then u NEVER seen a ghost in ur life before, lmaoo...
chrisbank2 2 years ago
know what'd be funny to do? get a video of a real (or darn convincing) ghost on video....and then right at the last few seconds , insert a screamer pop up. people would be all tense waiting for it, then they'd see the real ghost...and then be like "wheeew thank god!" RAAWRRWRWRWR!!! XD
weird how people are less afraid of a "Real ghost" than a screamer.
sydonabike 2 years ago
someday when you have an entity that attaches itself to you and takes every step you take you will regret chasing ghosts!
drunknblazed 2 years ago
I agree!!
flagooganhymer 2 years ago
Cool, looked like something invisible walking across.
Deanna4you 2 years ago
too grainy to really tell
kingrue69 3 years ago
it is someone hiding behind a tree and blowing smoke in the air but it did not scare me at all
BrknArrow518 3 years ago
it looks like a spider web falling or something really far from the camera
jjconfucius81 3 years ago 3
This video is so grainy, it's hard to tell anything...
ManiacBirdie 3 years ago
a glass between camera lens and first trees, and a person walking behind cameraman and reflets on the glass, then we can see your ghost FAKE FAKE FAKE, not convincent...
samantaperezfly 3 years ago 8
Sorry....... but still NO. Like I said just simply wouldn't take the time to do such an elaborate "scheme" just to try and fool people. I (We) have to much integrity, we are a serious and REAL paranormal group. Granted there is a lot of bullshit on youtube saying "real ghost" and isn't, but I don't like wasting peoples time, not to mention the credibility of the group. Sorry not a risk I'm willing to take. Lastly,someone would have to be behind the camera, it was turned on then we left.
ghostbear1969 3 years ago 11
@ghostbear1969 Not to mention I totally see loads of ghost videos all youtube, most were fake. Only a certain number of videos were real, and I can tell that. I see this as a NO JOKE video. Thanks for the time
Palkia792 1 year ago
@samantaperezfly It just looks like a top heavy weed turning in a breeze. Nothing spectacular there.
NebraskaPhotog 1 year ago
@samantaperezfly What we have folks is a good-old fashioned...spider's web. It blows in and blows out.
1958debs 1 year ago
Great video.Its nice to see something new.
Thanks for posting!
aordwaya 3 years ago
there is a glass between cameraman and trees.. so imagem that we can see is a reflection...FAKE!!!
samantaperezfly 3 years ago
Well I have to say that was original thinking, but I'm sorry I had to laugh. A piece of glass that big would be very heavy and I'll be damned if I take the trouble to carry something like that, into the woods mind you, and take the chance of breaking it have to back buy another piece, and so on......Sorry not fake, but nice try though.
ghostbear1969 3 years ago
@ghostbear1969 - Actually it can be done with a Piece of plexi-glass. Just search this title on youtube - How to FAKE a Ghost video!!!
The plexi would be lighter.
Why would you just randomly be videoing out in the middle of the woods? No house, no building. Just some woods? Like you all just knew that a ghost would appear there. Also, I dont know many people who would just leave a Video camera just running alone in the woods....
purgury 1 year ago
AVP
roacholder 3 years ago
could of been a "Predator"
leeofbacup 3 years ago
haha nice one
guildcode 3 years ago
I live in Arkansas man where is this at any idea
skilletroks 3 years ago
We are based out of Newport. This video was taken in the Jacksonport area.
ghostbear1969 3 years ago
i read comments to make shure its not screamer too!
freeclimbhero 3 years ago
Why was the camera pointing towards the trees in the first place? Smells fishy.
TheVoidShallReap 3 years ago
Actually we had the camera in all directions, at some point. What is on here is just what we happenend to catch that day. That 14 seconds of footage was out of probably a total of 3hrs worth of tape that we had filmed that day.
ghostbear1969 3 years ago
Fair enough, but why that particular area then? Just curious, dont mean to sound rude.
TheVoidShallReap 3 years ago
real or not it made me jump lol
whieoehfeo 3 years ago
Ok, I might took wrong conclussions.
But why, that certain point, and if you guys know that there is a spirit there, van you guys so show me a longer video, and if possible an explanation.
Cheers,
P.S my intelligence has notthin to do with this, im not a ghost haunter but I would love to learn more about it, and investigation is nessarry
realistic5314 3 years ago
looks pretty real
hannahmontana76 3 years ago
Was any other footage captured? Looks very genuine to me. im curious about the story behind this haunting.
tabithaJuneway 3 years ago
I think it's only smoke
macmillantheman 3 years ago
hahaha, mee to i braced myself for a scary thing
XxSolarEclpisexX 3 years ago
wtf
ps3lover101 3 years ago
Thats what we said.
ghostbear1969 3 years ago
Hmmm.....
I thought it was going to be a screamer at first.
I was bracing myself
lol
gregorykeegan13 3 years ago 2
lol... so was I! I was close to the screen and when I heard the music I went back and put off the headphones!!! xD
stelios1993b 3 years ago 2
No I would'nt do that to anyone. To be honest that just pisses me off when someone does that.
ghostbear1969 3 years ago
yeah me too man... I just saw a video in which I was hoping to see something interesting but... you can guess what I saw and my reaction!!! (I almost got a heart attack!!!) Wanna see it? :P
stelios1993b 3 years ago
That's why I scan through the video to see if any "screamer" pops up.
It's a sad way to watch videos, but at least I'm not peeing all over myself 03248023 odd different times.
:/
Imaeatyourface 3 years ago
LOL, I read the comments before watching the video. I hate screamers, I don't understand why it's fun for the person who posted it. They don't see a reaction.
Any way, cool vid. Creepy.
Raych1974 3 years ago
lol i do same thing, but i pressed mute this time
megadrive08 3 years ago
That would have been cool if it didn't have such cheezy music lol
Psyco88JR 3 years ago 2
lol i love the music
zezmia3 3 years ago
nice touch with music lol
tk9753 3 years ago