Melbourne deepening / dredging of shipping channel

[Wallabytrack]

This will come back and bite us in the arse.I can remember when there used to be fish in port phillip bay,a sugar bag full of mussels and perriwinkles on a sunday for tea that night. I can also remember where the toxic chemicals were dumped along willy road on the city side,the toxic ponds with paint,printers inks,oil and all manner of garbage,

The Vic market used to dump the glut of fruit down there to keep the prices high,I remember alright I remember lots of things,and it is all leeching out!

[Peacima]

I can't believe they are actually doing this dredging! I can't believe it! It poses so many risks towards the health and well-being of all our bay's marine life! (._.)

[jessgrace1305]

Does anyone know the date that this was aired? I have do to a speech for year 12 English, where I have to "support" the PPB dredging. If anyone has additional information it would be much appreciated. Thanks

[jaymes61]

Jess, it's been around for well over a year. I don't think it appeared on any TV news. Instead, it was probably more of a propoganda / PR short doco for one of the green groups. Treat it as comment / background and it should be okay, but if you're a VCE student hoping to find something published after September 09, this is outside the time-frame. Good background though, as I said.

Jim

[jessgrace1305]

Thanks, that helped a lot. I just thought it may have been aired because of the little "ABC" logo on the bottom right. Yeah, my character is someone from the government giving a speech to convice the audience that it should go ahead - obviously my classmates will understand that this is meant to be set before the dredging actually happened

[jaymes61]

Hold it, Jess! My apologies. I'm thinking of the "desalination" video I put up on the Echo site. The one we're talking about is, indeed an ABC news segment. Unsure what date. I'll check and get back in a minute or so. Sorry. I think it's Alzheimer's at last!

[jaymes61]

I meant, of course, September 08

[warlec]

Fuck off and root a tree you hippies dredge the fucking bay if all you people dont want it dredged then best you leave the city and go and become self sufficient cause everything you idiots buy is from these ships

[officejet09]

everything we buy is from ships that can already get through our channels, and its been fine. ur a fuckhead for saying that, u obviously hav no life and hav never swam in the bay b4

[Andrewkafp]

Used to live in Melbourne... Too much of a dictatorship these days... high stamp duty.. pay for boat launch.. pay for fishing licence.. pay for doing 4km over the speed limit...Dredge the only decent place that anglers can fish.. Here in Queensland.. everything is fairer (ATM) and Hope it stays that way at til I die.

[buteux]

Currently, ships carrying 4200 containers cannot enter Melbourne's port, even at high tide. The Channel Deepening Project will dredge Melbourne's shipping channels to a depth of 14 metres, meaning ships carryingup to 8000 containers will be able to enter.

[m00gercake]

Huh??? people support this dredging ???

[sarcasm] wellwhy don't we dredge great barrier, as it has less marine diversity than PPB[/sarcasm]

morons... no doubt the same morons supporting this that think Terror is real.

Asswipes... I hope your ass bleeds onto Andrew Bolt you wankers.

-m00g

[hazelbank2007]

I love mornington and the bay and I hope some one sinks that ugly looking dredger

Go away brumby and stick ur nose somewere else

[MRMILO57]

yippy the dredging is starting, bout dam time!

[chikkychak]

rahcoby, maybe you will ask yourself when the dredging is complete "what the hell were we on about?" when you see that there has been little to no damage done and the bay has not changed since before dredging started!

[Titanium59]

Anyone who supports this project simply hasn't read (or understood) the economics of it. There is NO evidence that we need larger ships in Melbourne, and the goverment has arrogantly dismissed criticism from economists, industry experts, scientists, environmentalists and the community at large. Why were the options not considered in as much detail as this destructive project? Why was the SEES assessment rushed through? Why has the ACF said Garrett's EMP is totally inadequate?

[rahcoby]

Good post now Lets hope the morons promoting the dredging on this web site can answer the questions without their idiotic nonsense.

They are ignorant of issues with this dredging and have a destroy anything for profit mentality, one day they will listen to the other half of the story and maybe realise they were wrong and feel they should be more dillegent in finding the truth, but pigs don't fly do they

[chikkychak]

Personally I don't want to see Melbourne lose it's status as Australia's main port but thanks to these tofu-eating boneheads it may come into fruition.

Blue Wedges have to face the fact that Melbourne is the freight and shipping company of Ausralia, just like WA is the resource capital, NSW the finance capital etc.

[rahcoby]

In world export, Australia is insignificant in the amount we import. Melbourne could be what ever you think it is in terms of shipping, but at what cost to the environment? There are no superships being built for use in Australia, they don't need them. There are other ways, cheaper and less destructive solutions to the shipping/cargo needs, all rejected. You do believe everything you read without question, a bonehead example

[MRMILO57]

Jenny Warfe your making the city of Melbourne look like it's full of trouble makers, John Willis very few Vitorians give a dam about the bay, you bloddy conservationist annoy me, you think things will be around forever, jesus christ nothing last forever! One more thing, I think it's best if you concentrate on inhibiting the human race from breeding, thats the real issue!

[rahcoby]

So nothing last forever, maybe you are right, but to deliberately destroy what the Bracks government claimed to be the Jewel in Victoria's crown is legalised vandalism.

You obviously have very little knowledge about the dredging, you seemed to have not taken any time to seek out what is the truth and what is political propaganda.

So you believe that the importers will pass on "the savings", so you think that a "contaminated site" in water should be managed different if it was on land.

[uni000ver000sal]

Bracks? Bracks who?

[rahcoby]

The same Bracks government the current non elected premier Brumby was a minister in. I see intelligent conversation gets your brain into overload, whatever. Please let me know if this messaging is all too much for you. Did you know rats can only do 1 task at a time or they have a brain melt down.

[uni000ver000sal]

Jane Simon.....my kids will miss out!!!

Who fucking cares!

[rahcoby]

I have read your comments and you are nothing but a confused physco that is unable to use intelligent words to reply to informative comments by genuine concerned people.

You have shown you know very little if anything about the dredging issue, you have no idea of the effects this dredging will have on the bay, but you seem to be a mindless fan of the big shipping companies that will destroy our bay for profit, not to fools like you but to shareholders

[MRMILO57]

rahcoby...I don't give a dam about the dredging and you protesters are costing us honest tax payers money everytime you delay the dredging. Your protests have been rejected, you've had your say and now its time to shut up!

[rahcoby]

So you think the tax payers should pay for the shipping companies plan to expand their private business at the expense of many businesses that will fail due to the dredging. You think Patricks, P&O, Toll should be allowed to dredge our bay and destroy just for profit when other options are available.

There are morons that don't give a dam about anything unless it affects them, the are ill informed people that don't give a dam, and there are stupid people that have no idea about anything.

[uni000ver000sal]

Whatever!

[uni000ver000sal]

Whatever!

[MRMILO57]

rahcoby ....how bout you send me the money I pay in my taxes through your malicious delaying of the inevitable. Every day you and your trouble making friends delay the dredging, tax payers money is wasted, your one of the ones I hold responsible!

[rahcoby]

Dumb and even dumber. Dredging of the bay is going to cost many small businesses, it is going to create unemployment, especially on the Mornington Peninsula, it will not save you or me any money with cheap imports in fact it will end up costing you more, there are no bulk cargo ships being built for Chinese export companies that we buy most of our goods from.

It is people like you that give up with out a whimper and believe in all propaganda governments tell you,and cannot try and find the truth

[MRMILO57]

rahcoby ...Your so anti-corporate/global, obiviously you want to see Australia as back water, this county has to have developments like this to survive economically! Dredging the bay is needed for the depth the superfreighter cargo ships will need. You are aware there making cargo ships much larger these days?,money well spent. But one thing I would like to add , Hasting should be developed with such infastructure to cater for such ships as well.

[rahcoby]

You sound like a spokesperson for the the shipping companies. Tell me what ship builders or export shipping companies are building these super freighters for Australia. Your suggestion for Hastings is a clear demonstration you do not know anything and repeat what the papers report.

[rahcoby]

Just to inform you, there are at several options they could have done instead of destroying the bay, and you believing you know everything about this issue why don't you tell me why they did not use them, pick one you know what they are, don't you?

people with little knowledge who do not do research and find the real truth will always be at the mercy of governments, unions and big businesses, by the way, as a anti corporate person, own my own business importing, cheaper cost bigger profits

[MRMILO57]

rahcoby ...gee I'm getting you stirred up, tourism is false industry! The law says your wrong and I as a tax payer are correct. When the dredging has stopped and the bay has settled, you people are proven wrong, It would give me great pleasure to see the state government takes legal action against you protester and recuperate the complete legal cost on behalf of us honest tax payers. I will feel no shame in seeing protesters kicked out of them own homes, even children put out in the street!

[rahcoby]

don't get too egotistic about your lack of facts.I was worried that fools were on the decline but you have proven that they are alive and still being fools. So if the bay does not recover as all the evidence says so, if the tidal flow increases and causes the channels to fill in and will require constant dredging, if the extra ebb and flood tides that will increase by 20 billion litres, then maybe you will be available to have the same done to you. do you know the truth about dredging

[MRMILO57]

rahcoby...the law says you protesters are wrong, it will be nice to see larger ships come to Melbourne, you sound like the type that wants see Australia go backwards, at your age you should know better. P.S. your insults are not working, I can smell religion in you!

[rahcoby]

I am sorry for thinking you a fool and very dumb, you are a wanker.

So we destroy a bay and the marine life so you can watch big ships, sound like you have nothing better to do in between collecting your government hand out.

You are so naive about the dredging and the implications to the bay, compared to other proposals which were more sound fin ever aspect Now let gets it straight, the law says you cannot go near the dredge for 200m around it and that is all.

[rahcoby]

What the law does say both federal and state is that a contaminated site has a criteria that determines if it is a contaminated site and the top end of the bay falls into that without any trouble. Once determined a contaminated site then the whole area is shut down and very costly methods are used to remove the contaminated soil. Just because it is in water does not alter, yet in this case they can dredge it up, spill it and dump it back in the bay, ever heard of wind and ebb and flow of tides?

[MRMILO57]

rahcoby... you assume I am stupid or ignorant. All I want to get across is, you're had your chance to be heard and the law courts disagree with you, out of all the conversation on these threads you and I have had I don't dislike you as an individual, but I have to disagree with the protesting you do. I'm not the one that is looking bad here.

[MRMILO57]

rahcoby ...so tell me what jobs along the Mornington Peninsula will be lost, I wanna hear this?

[rahcoby]

Are you really this stupid. The whole peninsular relies on tourism, you know what that is, people who visit or holiday on the peninsular.

Small businesses like, diving, dolphin swims/watching, recreational fishing plus all the businesses related to that, seal watching, charter fishing, hotels, motels, restaurants, petrol, food etc etc. When a community revolves around tourism and you take away the most important part of why tourists come then their is no tourism. economic benefit to who

[uni000ver000sal]

Whatever!

[chikkychak]

Can't you greenie, anti-progress do-gooders understand? The project will not be going ahead thanks to the Blue Wedges who will save the day in court!

Be happy now but no one will care when we have to pay through the nose for foreign goods to come via Brisbane thanks to these lot.

[uni000ver000sal]

At last someone who is preapred to see the common sense in all this!

They are only dredging the shipping channel and not the whole fucking Bay, dickwits!

[UnleadedPetrol]

I've spent 20 years swimming in Port Phillip Bay and 99% of people have no idea about the unutterable beauty that lies beneath the water's surface. Many parts of the bay are an underwater paradise and their future is now unknown. Vacuous supporters of the dredging (i.e., Andrew Bolt) should be forced to swim in the water near the dredger, just to check if it's safe.

[uni000ver000sal]

Sounds like we are going to dredge the whole bay rather than the shipping channel!

I suppose you will bitch about Melbourne next, it needs to be relocatedas it is damaging the Bay!

If Peter Garret has given the approval, then it is ok!

[UnleadedPetrol]

If you think your willfully antagonistic comments are going to upset me, you're wrong. 'Weed plants,' 'relocating Melbourne,' 'Peter Garrett.' Your hilarious. Seriously. Are you considered the, 'funny one', at work? Your semi-retarded presumptions couldn't be further from the truth. By the way, your spelling needs serious attention. Ahahahahahahaha.

[uni000ver000sal]

Next time you go diving, please ensure you have a full CO2 bottle!

[rahcoby]

This will be the greatest eccological disaster in Australias history. Dredging material that is too toxic to dump on land but Ok to dump in our bay! Temperate waters need sunlight, the turbid dense plume from this ship of doom will stop all sunlight, the seagrass dies, the initial food chain habitat will be lost, break any food chain and the end result is catostophic

[uni000ver000sal]

Sounds like you area really paranoid about this?

I wish you would get passionated and rational about his issue! And not EMOTIONAL!

P.S. How is the prostate! Or are you menopausal?

[uni000ver000sal]

Why are we worrying about the sponges?

Haven't we made the tasy tiger extinct!

Get used to it! You want cheap chinese goodies, unfortunately the bay will pay the cost!

[rahcoby]

Don't for one minute think this dredging of the bay will provide anyone one with cheap imports. The shareholders of these import retail companies will want the savings placed in their pockets not yours or mine.

[uni000ver000sal]

Ooops I forgot yo elaborate who will benefit from cheap imported goodies!

Your are absolutely right!

The goverment is keen on dredging only because it has to keep it's political sponsors happy!

Why do you think the Federal Environmental Minister done a back flip?

Did you donate any money to the ALP for their political campaing?

If the is NO, then you will benefit FUCK ALL.

[rahcoby]

The shipping companies, P&O, Patricks, Toll etc have invested millions into the port of Melbourne they must get a return on the investment so shareholders benifit, they did a deal with the Unions, better wages, conditions more jobs. The result is big business tackles the Liberal party for support, the unions tackle the Labour party for support,result both political parties support, what is missing the green party, not a whimper from Bob Brown

[uni000ver000sal]

I agree with you people but have you ever thought why they want to deepen the channel?

Bigger ships, more cargo, less transportation cost!

Just another NAIL on the MANUFACTURING indutry coffin in Victoria!

Thanks for buying Australian hypocriiiites!

[jaymes61]

Thanks for the comment. However, I don't think the already-deepened Westernport, which also doesn't have toxic Yarra sediment, has been fully considered. A rail link from W/port to Melbourne would also help traffic congestion

[uni000ver000sal]

I don't have a problem with that but who is going to pay for the extra costs?

I think you missed my point!

[jaymes61]

Probably the same people who would pay for the (ongoing and permanent) dredging, the taxpayers.

What point was that?

[rahcoby]

Just too inform you about westernport, they would have to dredge areas that are too shallow. they are looking at Tyabb, to shallow and a fragile Ramsar site. Westernport is too fragile, dredging any part would destroy weed beds the stuff that holds the sand together

[Changeling9au]

Stop the insanity!

savethebay.inf0

[DxsPro]

thanks for the vid

[sgtkicker111]

once again the world suffers just that little more so that men with money can make even more money.

[uni000ver000sal]

Who do you think helps finance polical candidates?

This called payback time!

[fsfer]

peter "midnight oil" garret is a tosser and he is full of shite.

[uni000ver000sal]

No he is not, he is a 2 cent rocker that made into politics!

What do you think politicians are full of?

That is why there is no difference between politicians and nappies!