I am delighted to learn that there are Atheists in Ireland. Years ago we were told that there were only Catholics and Protestants, although now I understand that there is quite a Muslim presence as well. And trust me, THOSE folks know a thing or two about the detection of the crime of blasphemy. Personally, I am a Pastafarian and I invite you fellow Athiests to embrace His holy noodles as well. It might actually aid your cause, giving your belief system a title. Learn more at venganza[dot]org
@WilliamTheFriar lol, I remember waaaaay back when myspace was "it" and if you even clicked on that religion on someones profile it would automatically set your religion as the same and w/e the book was called went under your fav. books haha, thought it was so funny as a kid, and still today lol
can anyone explain the planets and there origin along with the various galoxies and how they came into existance? if you go the big bang route please explain what ever caused it came from? I am very curious how you would explain it. ppl
@chepat57 The short answer is that we don't know where the universe came from - what "caused" it. But I'm guessing that you are explaining the origin of the cosmos with "magic" and accepting that, so the question is: do you actually want to try to understand the answer to your question (because it is right here on YT if you want it), or are you stuck in a belief that the-magic-man-made-it is an acceptable answer?
@chepat57 Sure. Planets are composed on either rock with molten centers (due to the gravitational pull from their home star) or primarily made of gas, which coalesced much in the same way stars do: massively heavy amounts of gas and dust collapsing in on itself due to gravity. If you take a gas giant like Jupiter, the only between that and our sun is the Sun is MUCH more massive. EVERYTHING is a product of element dispursion via ever repeating supernovae over billions of years. Yourself too
@TheLaunchingPad I never had a previous life. It's just this contrary to popular belief. And I would honestly rather go to hell than worship and asshole and be forced to spend eternity with his annoying worshipers. That would be hell.
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12
Hm, I think I should actually read the Bible and the Koran once. I'm an atheist myself, but at least I'll be able to criticize other people's religions with a clear mind.
you do realize that jesus was a jew right? jesus was racist against himself? use your brain man, seriously. and your taking things so out of context it's incredibly stupid. if you added the stuff before those verses you would realize he was saying they were the sons of the devil because of their refusal to believe in him. it was those specific people, not the entire jewish population you dumbshit.
@YngwieAteMe I'm sorry "the second comment" means nothing to me. Sorry, but just quote my words and we can both see what I said.Then I will happily discuss whichever point you would like.
it was clear to anyone who didnt have their head in their arse that Jesus was the son of God.
The reason why Jesus said that Satan stood among his accusers: they knew he was a man to listen to, yet they were too proud to submit and have faith. They unjustly tried and crucified him. Strange thing is, God knew that was going to happen all the time and sent the prophets to write about it.
Wide is the pathway to hell and many are those who walk it. Do not count yourself among them!
@noctemaeternus0 "may you feel his wrath before mine eyes..." What would suffice your oh-so-motherly Christmas blood-lust? I could get hit by a car? Or the old stand-by: I could get struck by lightning? Come on over, and I give you permission to convene with your god and have It smite me in any way you see fit.
@TheLaunchingPad WhaT?! Are you kidding !! Noah Ark has not been identified. The Dead Sea Scroll's don't prove anything...other than there were a lot of other "scared writings" that aren't included in any canon. Where's this stone from Moses? And what proof is there that it's from a bible story. Where are the chariots in the sea...and how is this proof of anything? Where is Jesus' blood on the Ark? Give us references of evidence.
@ninjamojo711 -- If these things were proven true and you were convinced in the evidence, you would still throw it out because it proves you wrong. See, it is more important for you to be right, than for you to be righteos - which is the calling of the prophets - to become advanced in moral character and act on Earth as honorable demigods, scientists and great leaders of men. Your leaders speak the wisdom of Solomon, but fail to walk the talk. The Bible speaks about a real God.
@TheLaunchingPad No, evidence is evidence, but it has to be real evidence. The problem with certain biblical scholars is that they start with their doctrinal agenda and try to find evidence that fits their belief system and seems to meet their predetermined conclusion. Real science comes to conclusions by researching the evidence. Not the other way around.
There is no evidence Jesus of Nazareth from the gospels ever existed.
The bible is a book of iron age myths and ancient superstition.
@ninjamojo711 Science cannot study what is not made clear to them for testing. Just like you can't replicate, in front of your mechanic, the way your car chugged out on the freeway. So the mechanic cannot find a problem. Scientists study supernatural phenomenon every day and have significant data to prove their claims. Twelve devout Jews staked their lives on a story of a physically risen man from the dead and it has become the most powerful religion on Earth. Disprove this fact.
@TheLaunchingPad Christianity has become the "most powerful religion on earth" because the powerful Roman Empire at the time adapted it and synthesized it with the other pagan religions of the time for the very reason of making a universal religion. Pax Romana.
The church has since grown, survived and fabricated it's own history,destroyed other religious texts because it became a great political power, not because some 12 (or more, the bible can't decide how many) characters followed a myth.
@ninjamojo711 Christianity is unstoppable and has become the law of the land - they couldn't stop it from spreading so they adapted and took it over, big deal, proves nothing. They killed the real Christians, they burned bibles so the truth got out before their takeover. What they forgot was that we would have history, archaeology and science to prove Christ's claims. Christ is a body of evidence and prophecy confirms him. People believe after looking into it objectively.
@TheLaunchingPad But did the people writing these stories about Jesus have access to these supposed prophecies? They did. And we have reason to believe that, if they were early Christians, it could help the legitimacy of their Jesus claims to make parts of his story (THEIR story) fit with well-known Jewish prophecies.
The simpler explanation is that they wrote parts of the stories to fit with the prophecies. THAT is where an objective exploration will get you.
@TheLaunchingPad continued: devout followers of all kinds of religions stake their lives on their beliefs, Christianity is no exception.
The gospels are allegorical narrative full of mythical symbolism. It's Greek mystery religion (pagan) and Jewish messiah midrash blended together. It was written by Jews living in a Greek world. They are not written as witness accounts as they are not meant to be historical.
Read Paul's letters. He knows of no Jesus of Nazareth that was recently on earth.
@TheLaunchingPad continued: The supernatural is only what the superstitious believe in, what science has yet to explain. Science isn't finished, but look at some of what we've learned:
Mentally handicapped people aren't possessed by the devil.
@TheLaunchingPad ...cont: but the mechanic can observe, research, run diagnostics, come to a conclusion and attempt to fix what is perceived to be the issue. If the problem persists, the testing and diagnostics continues until the problem is correctly identified and fixed if applicable.
How does your inability to personally replicate the a mechanical issue in any way help your argument for proof of god? Are you saying god is only "clear" to you and others but not to science? Weak and pathetic!
@ninjamojo711 - Wow, it is amazing how you cannot even understand what my simple words were saying. Read again - I was saying that the reason you can't test the supernatural is because it cannot be replicated. The Mechanics (scientists) are not going to fix what may prove to be supernatural because 1.they haven't got the brain power or 2.significant (lots of) data to test it. It is beyond their little minds to understand, like yours - a weaker, more pathetic genetic glitch in DNA.
@TheLaunchingPad If the "supernatural" cannot be tested because it cannot be replicated...how do you know it's supernatural and how do you know it exists?
@ninjamojo711 - When a home-made Ouija Board spells out letters by itself without any person touching it or using trickery, it's fucking supernatural. When you feel people sitting on your bed and nobody's there, it's supernatural. When you see human figures in a photograph of an empty room, it's supernatural. Science is scared shitless because it breaks all of their little rules, acquired through years of testing and regularly denying the supernatural. This is always the case.
@JPO1618 - LoL, do you think there will ever be evidence? The Saudi Government literally guards these sites and never permits more than a walk through, if that. Grant money will never go to anything relating to the bible, no matter how amazing it is. A 10 story rock that looks like the ten commandment tablets and has obvious water erosion from the middle outward in a dry desert will only prove God, and create the rebellion our Christian fathers had when they fought against oppression.
@JPO1618 - What is evidence anyway? Columbus 'wrote' about a glowing light that shot up out of the water and flew away, hundreds of pilots have seen UFOs and recorded it in their flight logs - even before the UFO craze. This stuff goes so deep that you can literally cut your flesh and see demons.
Give God what is his and you will have words with angels - I am a witness to these things and it is very real. He says "Why would I show myself to a coward?" Seek Christ relentlessly!
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign:
3. Law . data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.
So you believe in Alien Space Crafts and God incarnating on Earth? How does that work...Space Jesus? ;-)
@JPO1618 - It's Old, but it is still valid as evidence...
1. Prophecy and it's fulfillment in detail and miraculous events.
2. Archaeological evidence. The sign of the Messiah's birth, death and resurrection.
3. Historically sound testimony of the existence of a deity on Earth with a Roman court procedure and witnesses. Plus a cohesive pattern of understanding that leads to wisdom.
Believing in UFOs because I saw a video would be foolish, but believing because I saw a UFO myself - wise.
@TheLaunchingPad I saw Penn and Teller shoot each other with guns and catch the bullets in their teeth too, should I believe my senses then as well?
I would be interested (though I fear I know) what some of this historical and archaeological evidence is.
As for prophecy, unless you can show me that the writers of the later stories couldn't have had access to the earlier prophecies, then I will use Occam's Razor and disregard it.
@JPO1618 - Jee, let's use an archaic "rule of thumb" from the 1300's to help us prove all unusual phenomenon wrong without any real science. This is why you will never SEE or HEAR the truth, because you are cut from the same fabric as men who denied women to testify in courtrooms. You agree with what appears to be truth but have no basis for your belief. Jesus, his words, the bible's historicity, and archaeology are a very solid basis for believing in the deity of Christ on Earth.
@JPO1618 - If you saw a dinosaur hatch from an egg and you cut it up and ate it and it tasted like chicken, you could tell your friends, put it in a jar and show them and they would still doubt you. This is why Jesus said, "You believe I am the Messiah because you have seen my miracles, but blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." He is saying that the mind who finds truth with little to go on is not a fool, but a genius. To believe is to HAVE evidence not hearsay.
@TheLaunchingPad "To believe is to HAVE evidence not hearsay" Wrong. Look up belief anywhere and find something close to that. Religious faith is belief WITHOUT evidence - and often, as you are exemplifying, IN THE FACE OF evidence. And evidence is not proof anyway; just because you interpret some piece of evidence as proof of divinity does not make it necessarily so.
@JPO1618 - Wrong, Paul clarified this saying "faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen." He is not saying that one should believe without evidence, rather evidence results in faith. If I give you a rock and say this is a rock, with little examination you agree. The apostles were given a Rock, and after he rose from death, there was no reason to doubt him, however Thomas doubted, Jesus said "here feel my wounds". He established his words on EVIDENCE.
@artsmith100 - It is not ephemeral, it happens often enough to be tested and validated. I guess the Vatican scientists aren't real scientists right? They just pretend to test and make up results. Have you ever seen a real excorsism? Have you seen or felt ghosts? Until you do, you think it is ephemeral, afterward, you see it everywhere. Even science keeps finding issues with photons, are they particles or waves? Scientists have followed this fringe stuff for ages. There is evidence!
@JPO1618 - I admit, people believe without facts, but my point is that the facts are hidden in the unseen. You are not talking to a religious person as you believe, I am something completely different. Before I found the truth, I was like you, dismissive. You cannot deny the texts, they clearly outline the interaction between deity and man. They have found minor contradictions by translation but no scholar would deny their historicity. The truth is hidden from plain sight, but it's real
@artsmith100 - Dude, I have and they have little weight. Show me a source, I probably read it but I am open to reading it all. See arguing with God is like arguing against a true statement. The burden of proof is on you, I already believe. You question, so prove something. If something isn't proven wrong it doesn't mean it's right but if the words are true, like the proverbs, then what is your argument, that you don't believe Jesus words were true or Solomon's proverbs, where?
@JPO1618 - The origin of the universe was described by Paul when he said "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."
Is not this the case? Is not a big bang the movement from nothing to something of substance? If God appeared to you, you might still doubt, but if you scientifically discover him, you will believe. So Thomas, go forth and stick your probes into my universe, or come quicker, by Christ.
@artsmith100 - The slow way is fine except that there is a disastrous end to the Earth coming before you ever figure anything out and a complete destruction of the universe after that. All within a pretty short period of time. Do you think the Star Wars project ended? It was & is an observation system for the return of the messiah. They aren't going to throw out a book that they know is credible. War was made against them in that book, it's foolish to doubt it after seeing aliens.
@JPO1618 - I have evidence because I have seen and talked to intelligences who are at a level of skill & knowledge far surpassing our comprehension. We forget that this God of ours can recreate what is lost. We also forget that the Earth is under another intelligent control and this is why God does not physically attack. There is an appropriate process in place, this was NOT God's plan - to deceive Eve or to kill his own son. These were mishaps that are allowed in a freewill creation.
@JPO1618 There is a prophecy by a man named Daniel. He was forced to tell the king what his dream was. He was given no clues and was told he would be killed as the seers before him were. He prayed to God and was told the king's entire dream, and it was a dream of the history of all earthly kingdoms, it has been fulfilled up to the last part, our current state of existence. That's an entire list of world kingdoms - fulfilled. Let alone the messiah who proved the prophets were true.
@TheLaunchingPad That's it? I should believe the stories about Jesus just 'cuz? And Daniel, which the NT writers could and almost certainly did have access to? Why shouldn't the Razor work here without better evidence?
Option A: People made up false stories about a magic man (much documented throughout history)
Option B: A magic man existed (other than the bible, let's say) no other evidence for this exists)
It seems likely, though not definite, that people made up stories then
@JPO1618 here's an interesting rebuttal to your narrow options:
option A: Christianity just happened to rise to the top all across Europe because of mass delusion based on false stories from a widely circulated book.
option B: The Bible documents remote-yet-historical facts of a man who was sent by God to save humanity. Many people perished in the promulgation of his message in the early years, but thru zealous sacrifice and the grace of God, his disciples have helped his Word thrive.
@JPO1618 that's what the Catholic church is concerned with. I consign my issues in that regard to people whose life is devoted to that (just like any other specialized profession)
@JPO1618 Option C - Christ was the Messiah and his followers died spreading his message but the movement of the underground churches overtook the region to the point where fighting them became costly and so they joined the movement and guided it into a world religion.
Tell me this - why would they go around and push a book that exposes them as hypocrites and thieves. Why wouldn't they rewrite it? They couldn't rewrite what was commonly known through the region or it would be obvious.
@JPO1618 - see, we have truth not because we are blind but because it is OBVIOUS that Jesus (Yeshuah) did exactly what these people said he did - or at least they believed it so much that they were willing to die for him. They committed their lives to sainthood and poverty which we have evidence of, so where is their gain in faking a dead God? You fool, you have no idea what you don't know, and u will never study the new testament as evidence, you see a myth and look further. Foolish!
@kowalityjesus - this is further proof of your black & white thinking - it must be this or that - nonsense. You cannot prove that Christ did not exist, even after 2000 years of Jesus hatred. This is more evidence that it stood the test and can never be refuted. You can refute everyone in the world, except this "invisible" man. No argument holds water - this guy was alive and was a prophet and his words are coming true right now and you still refuse to see it.
@JPO1618 The Razor of Christ is the only way to discern between truth and lies. You don't have this ability because you refuse to consider the possibility that you are wrong. I don't argue saying the sky is not blue, but you do. To me you are a fool of fools, not because you refuse to believe without evidence, but that you refuse to even look at the evidence. I have evidence for what I believe and all men are fools without the knowledge of this being within them. They are fools.
oh, and for the record, i noticed that you mentioned in an argument that healers still exist today. yes, there are plenty of non-christian healers that heal people today, but most, if not all of it is based off of voodoo in which a spirit (most likely demonic) possesses somebody to cast out the other spirit. i could easily argue they exercise themselves for the sake of deceiving one into believing a false higher power. Jesus proved he stood out from the rest by rising again.
you're missing what i meant by voodoo, but many cases of african healings i hear actually come from christian missionaries (no, i'm not making that up), and people that are just naturally great at medicine (there is a man in africa that that can remove tumors with a simple cutting tool and nothing else). several people saw him rise at once, he was buried under a massive rock, there 2 guards constantly guarding that rock, women discovered it empty, no body etc. plenty evidence.
continuing: my mother has a friend that had dislexia. she went to a christian spiritual healer and she was healed. i'm not sure if you know this, but you CANNOT fake not having dislexia anymore. i was also healed, but i won't get into that (too complicated), my dad went through some instant and gradual changes after he was healed, there is a christian man that goes around the world rising people from the dead, holes in hearts disappearing after prayer etc. do you want anymore?
@YngwieAteMe There are plenty of Christian "healers", too, but they don't really heal anybody, and they sometimes hasten peoples deaths by convincing them they're healed when they aren't.
i was healed, my dad was healed, my mom's friend was healed, neal morse's daughter had a hole in her heart and requires surgery, but after attending a church service where they all prayed the hole disappeared and morse was converted as a result etc. this is stuff that you can't fake and there is no scientific explanation for a hole in somebody's heart disappearing. that also seems pretty symbolic as well.
@YngwieAteMe Actually the hole being covered was the body's fixing, not a bunch of people telepathically communicating to a 2,000 year old Jewish carpenter zombie who then somehow took control of the cells in her heart. It was the body's heart tissue rebuilding its own tissue. It would have happened if she attended church or not.
@ladtheman1360 - Are you listening. It was a fucking hole. Do you get holes in your heart that come and go? What a dismissive prick! Even if a fucking leg grew out in front of your eyes you would deny. Jesus spoke of men like you saying "Seeing they see NOT, hearing they hear not" Apparently He had the same problem with you back then LOL. You deny because the idea of God seems ridiculous to you. That's your basis for dismissal, that makes you a fool. Sorry.
@TheLaunchingPad I'm the fool? You believe that you can telepathically communicate to a 2,000 year old dead Jewish carpenter and he does his invisible magic on what ever you ask for. Riiigghhtt. Have fun with your invisible man.
@ladtheman1360 - A dead Jewish carpenter that they couldn't find the body of or we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. You don't get it because you didn't read the part where he explains that he did this to make the blind see - and those who claim to see (you) blind. He died and returned to life and now the entire would argues it. The people who refuse to believe will consider it crazy, while the open-minded are given EVIDENCE of his presence and existence. You're out!
@TheLaunchingPad All possible evidence of his body not being there are contained in a book called the bible. Again, one piece of propaganda is not enough to say that it is true. I am taking all your arguments into close consideration and reviewing them, then refuting them. That is not closed mindedness. If I totally rejected your arguments then that would be an acceptable statement.
@TheLaunchingPad From what you say God is a monster. If he gave us the ability to use logic and reason. the ability to seek answers and find truths, but expected us to believe in something without any evidence. Intentionally confusing us so that a large portion of people go to the worst place imaginable. He supposedly armed us with a weapon that we're never to use, our mind. We're never to understand him, we're only to take our punishment as dumb, blind slaves. To love something that hates us so
actually, a number of professional surgeons don't claim a heart needs an operation if it doesn't and she was healed almost immediately. tissue doesn't rebuild itself that fast, namekians are fictional characters. stop watching so much dragon ball z and keep your head down on the actual earth.
@YngwieAteMe Alright I will just give you that one. Lets just say you are correct. You say that an invisible man fixed it? How did he do that? Magic? You cant even see him in the first place. There is also ZERO evidence for his existence. You cant just make up stories if you don't know how it grew back.
"There is also ZERO evidence for his existence" yet you "gave me" the fact that a miracle just happened. there is plenty of evidence, try reading some books like the case for creation and the case for christ. core facts that books like these are based on have not been disproven and honestly just can't be disproven. oh, and the definition of god omnipotent and omniscent. i don't see the point in asking how he can perform a miracle.
@YngwieAteMe There actually is ZERO factual evidence for a god's existence, and the same goes for Amen Re, Buddha, and the thousands of other gods out there. Miracles are hallucination, in reality they are miraculous and spontaneous acts of nature. You can't disprove something that doesn't exist. For example I cannot prove unicorns or Bigfoot do not exist. I couldn't even if I tried. How does god go about preforming a miracle? If prayer worked there would be no hunger, tsunamis, and destruction.
@TheLaunchingPad What if you seek Christ relentlessly and come up finding nothing? At what point do you have to decide between lowering your standard of evidence and giving up the "relentless" search? If you TRULY search with an open heart you will not find Jesus there - it is only your prior belief that finds Jesus there.
What do you mean about cutting you flesh and seeing demons - "literally" is a strong word and I question its veracity.
@JPO1618 - Cut your fucking arms and see what I meant. Pussy!
Seeking Christ is not letting him ignore you. I came to him directly as an Atheist and tried to talk to demons as well, by the end of the night I was damned and truth was revealed. Why study the crumbs that fall when you can go directly to the Master. Science is a toy for us to play with until we find God and see what angels do in their spare time - without machines. You're a baby, blind and poopy. Grow up and see the truth.
@JPO1618 - Christianity wasn't started because someone said a space Jesus came, they healed the sick and performed miracles that no man could disprove. This hurled Christianity into the giant it is to this day. That is well worth investigating. First Contact already happened, and we killed him. That is not a fake story. The details pass all critical analysis of false manuscripts. Furthermore, the Bible is the only book that exposes "Religion" and dark powers. It is a proof not theory.
@TheLaunchingPad Healing the sick and making the lame walk? Those same claims are being made by people today - some have thousands that would attest to their powers - and yet many of them contradict Jesus' story. Who should we believe? Or should be skeptical of all claims? Especially those claims that are contradicted by other, perhaps more well established, claims.
Using the Gospels as evidence is dangerous given their often mutually contradictory tales.
@TheLaunchingPad yeah you but you can tell your mechanic the symptoms and i can fix it that way instead..as far as religion goes,id rather not base my life on what ignorant goatherders thousands of years ago thought
@ninjamojo711 - Noah's ark was identified by an archaeologist. The dead sea scrolls have perfect copies of the bible proving it was not rewritten by Rome. The rock Moses split is brand new and obvious as shit. The chariots are brand new and need to be explored further. Jesus blood was supposedly found in a cave under Golgotha, it was tested and had 23 chromosomes... a virgin birth. What if you are wrong? Watch this: watch?v=e9WAYEj9Is0 @9:40
@TheLaunchingPad Noah's ark has not been identified. Christians found a shape on Mt Ararat and conclude that it has to be Noah's Ark.
Ancient stone tablets found in Sumer that predate the bible and the Hebrew religion tell of a similar story of a flood and a man who built a boat for the animals. That myth exists in other older cultures as well.
The story is not original and there is absolutely no evidence it's "Noah Ark" on Ararat.
Charlatans have sold petrified wood claiming it be form the Ark.
@TheLaunchingPad There is no statement in the Bible or any other ancient source that places Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia by whatever ancient name (in this case Midian).
Mt. Sinai is clearly placed outside of Saudi Arabia and right on the Sinai Peninsula.
Exodus: while the Israelites were camped near Mt. Sinai, Moses sent his Midianite (Saudi Arabian) father-in-law Jethro back to "his own country" of Midian Clearly, Mt. Sinai and northwestern Saudi Arabia (Midian) were in two different locations.
@ninjamojo711 - fair enough, you're so perfectly right! Your dismissal based on some Google searches is so well thought out. Why do you think Saudis put up gates and protect the area with guns? They really don't want us on that desert area with nothing in it at all? Yes, they just randomly guard every one of these sites for the fucking hell of it! Grow a rational brain cell, you are not rational you are narrow-minded, you couldn't even see the obvious. WOW is all I have to say. WOW
There are many teachings that seem to contradict the other in religion, I understand that, and much violence in the name of one's own religion. However, it should not be looked upon as a waste of time, or the sole cause of all of humanity's troubles. Many values, and moral lessons were directly connected with religion, and thanks to that, we have good people in this world (as well as bad). Religion isn't required for these teachings, but were taught this way thousands of years ago. (continued>>>
(continued) If you look at religion, you will see that there were many good hearted people that genuinely were good people; then you have those that do not except any deviation, and attempt to control others through lies, bringing chaos. Though it may pain me to say this personally, how is this different from a corrupt government? Or the irreligious using religion to sway others for self-interest? All in alll, "constitution of a country"=bible/torah/etc, God=Gov. (ran out of space)
@BigMGSBoss - The very first sentence of the constitution refers to God as a creator who made us in equality. That is government, the rest is corruption... amendments and acts should never compromise our sovereignty. We became the US through battles with big brother, now the kids watch the pretty kaleidoscope of lies and the congressmen read the first few pages of a six inch pile of papers and sign our lives away. TIME to REVOLT!!!
Look, if you're religious, instead of posting random shite on YouTube, read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins and "God Is Not Great" by Christopher Hitchens. If you're not religious then there's probably no point in arguing with religious people because they've almost definitely been raised from childhood to belive in that stuff and no amount of comments will help. Also, even though I think religion is silly, calling people morons won't help your case.
@yogione - These Popes work for the NWO and are Luciferian. I can't wait until you all see the one world religion of the Illuminati and say WTF? I will laugh at you and have no mercy because we tried to warn you but no, you wouldn't listen so now you will be handed over to the Fascists to be processed and chipped before the great day of the Lord's return, which they hide evidence for - also hiding all the alien shit until you see it and go WTF, is this for real? and you deny the Masons?
@TheLaunchingPad You're projecting what you think I think. You don't know what I think. In the words of Ambrose Bierce: Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum (I think I think, therefore I think I am).
When YOU condemn Your very own CREATOR. Creator of everything, If He didn't create It. It doesn't exist. Just because You don't believe in Satan the Devil. Won't protect You from him. Now who's the fool. When you follow A fool, Your A Bigger fool than he is.
@LuluRosenkrantz Lou Reed's heroin use has made it possible for him to stand his own out-of-tune band that has always played just a bit off. This isn't to say he isn't soulful in his own way or that he has no good tunes or that he isn't worth listening to. But Frank Zappa actually knew musical notation, how to conduct an orchestra and as to concluding who is more musical (sic) between them, Zappa is the one. Composition majors at Oberlin sing his praises (and in tune,
@LuluRosenkrantz A little known fact is that Frank Zappa wrote the theme for the Batman television series. I think my favorite Lou Reed tune is probably Walk on the Wild Side, or I'm Waiting for my Man from the Velvet Underground Banana Album. Favorite Zappa tunes: Jesus Thinks You're an Asshole (appropriate for this thread); No way to delay that trouble comin' every day; Don't Eat the Yellow Snow; What's the Ugliest Part of Your Body? Help I'm a Rock. Concentration Moon. So very many hits.
@kowalityjesus cavemen created god to explain what they did not understand, only an ignorant moron would believe it is still a viable answer in today's world of amassed knowledge.
Gospels do not even qualify as 'hearsay', can you say pathetic?
@mechanicmike69 "God" is a name, a name for something that exists and you cannot deny and you cannot explain, and you hate it. Give up. Jesus has a plan for us to live as the higher power of creation wants us to live. You have no foot to stand on that denies the power of Christian tradition.
@kowalityjesus God is a fucking myth created by ignorant cavemen to explain what they did not understand (just like you). Nothing you can type will change that fact, you are an ignorant delusional fucking moron.
Gospels/Jesus do not even qualify as hearsay you ignorant fucking moron.
also note you ignorant twit it is impossible to hate something that does not exist. God does not exist, in fact you are proof that IGNORANCE = GOD.
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christ was put on this earth to warn people like you that you are continuing down a path that grates against your own deep-seated will. Return to God and unload that burden which you are incapable of carrying, He will provide one which you can support, for he created you and knows your very thoughts.
yes, but it is metaphysical evidence under my own scrutiny. I can assure you at least the last clause of that statement beyond the shadow of a doubt. you would think I am insane, but if you spent enough time around me, I am sure I could show you evidence which would prove that it is true beyond all measure of probability. It is an honor to be shown this all the time, and I feel bad for everyone that cannot have a rational basis for their faith, but it is unswervingly obvious to me.
@kowalityjesus That is not what scrutiny means. Can others look at your evidence independently and come to the same conclusion? Are you talking about hearing a voice? or unlikely events (miracles)? Or what?
How do you know that what you are experiencing is supernatural and not natural - other than you opinion?
@JPO1618 not quite, it is called augury which is a form of divination, an idea with origins in ancient Greece and I am sure elsewhere in the world. Its primary manifestation is the apparition, the call, and the flight of birds. I acquired the burden/blessing of augury in my life during my early 20s, and have used it as a tool to gauge the anger/blessing of God ever since. I know it is not the 'spirit' or 'god' of the birds, and it is not paranoia. I am not sure if other people have this happen
@kowalityjesus - All anyone has to do is see an animal react to noise or movement in the woods and watch it assume something is there, something invisible to be wary of. Some unusual invisible force that must be respected and scared of, and how easily this assumption can be extrapolated into an all mighty invisible being at the cause of all things unknown by sentient beings. Belief in god is more proof of evolution.
@kowalityjesus Actually, perhaps you could tell me the difference between your purported sanity, when you think your god is communicating with you, and when the bum on the streets think the bush is talking to them? is the difference here, the manifestation of the deity in the bush? or do deities not manifest as bushes any more...?
@mechanicmike69 funny you should say that because at one time in my life I was so spiritually active that a divine form appeared in bushes a few times, among many other things. I am happy that I was so nuts, because it gave me a very solid grounding to have faith that my life is not meaningless. I am sorry for everyone that doesn't assuringly know that.
Sanity is very subjective, but yeah you're probably right that most hobos are in their own world on their own spiritual mission or crazy, idk.
@kowalityjesus meaningless? are you kidding me? * Life is pointless when you live for imaginary invisible beings and imaginary lands. You theists are the one wasting your time, not us. We atheists live for Family, friends, and community, and they will always be more important than any religion's invisible beings and superstitions. Stick your fairy tales up your ignorant asses, Pussies.
When you get waken up every morning by crows that only stop cawing when you finally stir THEN you can suppose you understand. Or when you listen to a crow in the distance that only stops when you figure out you have to call your grandparents (it will be the last time you exchange words with your step-grandfather) THEN tell me I am imagining things. My gf at the time heard me think out loud and remarked that it was strange that it would stop when I finally realized what it was I was meant to do
sorry to imply that you think your life is meaningless, I really don't know what you live for, tho I have a very good idea of what you believe (I would probably think the same thing if I werent excplicity shown otherwise), and it sound like you have what I would call good Christian values. I am an artist, you are a mechanic (so I infer). Perhaps my sensitivity and capacity for subtlety which contributes to my pursuits has bearing on my capacity to infer omen and the necessity to acknowledge God.
@kowalityjesus Any loud noise or startling occurrence MAY be a threatening predator, so we (i.e. animals) are geared to "put a face to natural phenomena". And end up putting a face on what ever what do not know or can not explain:
Hence Jesus, Satan, demons, God, angels, Bigfoot, etc. Belief in god is more proof of evolution.
@mechanicmike69 dude sasquatch is real. it has been real for a very long time. your assurance as you rest in ignorance is the only thing that you mentioned that is not real. You want me to give you videos for evidence that would convince anyone that is not hellbent on having their head up their asses, let me know.
@kowalityjesus As humans become more sophisticated, these traits have fallen by the wayside. Except in religious fuckwits who remain in a primitive frozen state of bronze age concepts and ignorance.
@rage1331 no. everyone's relationship with God is unique and individual. I do not know what kind of clear signs, if any, God gives you to let you know that He is watching and understands. I would venture to say that if you can't think of anything in your life that cannot be assigned to a statistically probable explanation, you aren't thinking hard enough.
@rage1331 I was saying, "if you already look at everything in a rational manner, what events if any cannot use an explanation conforming with this rational framework."
Coincidental meetings with people, my tendency to sometimes be in situations that are just perfectly what I needed, distinct feelings that lead me in the correct direction, or a feeling like I am being tested and when I pass I am rewarded. These are what I see to be sure signs of God, a higher being with my concerns in mind.
@kowalityjesus I get what you're saying, but you said "I would venture to say that if you can't think of anything in your life that cannot be assigned to a statistically probable explanation, you aren't thinking hard enough." which to me does nt make any sense.
@rage1331 like, a week ago I went out on a walk and happened to run into a person I was hoping to have a relationship with. I didn't intend to do that, and if I were to rely on my better senses there is a very minute chance that I would have crossed her path at the exact moment she was there, while she was walking a perpendicular direction.
Either this doesn't happen to atheists or they are ignorant of God's blessing, or I am completely paranoid schizophrenic, or someone above is guiding me.
@kowalityjesus You should look into brain sciences, there's alot of evidence about our brain waves, positive thinking, and how we can subconsciously effect our thinking or paths we take.
@kowalityjesus i understand you were probably raised in a very religion based, probably superstitious family, but you can't support a divine claim on meeting someone at a certain place at a certain time. the odds are against you. if god has a plan for us all, or a path we must follow, then why would he consciously let horrible things happen to thousands of people. and do you think he would want his followers being so vain they use there faith to wish for monetary or personal gain?
@daver72420 The intricacy of the relationship each of us has with God transcends our ability to comprehend. That is why the Catholics call it "the mystery of faith," because only God knows what his aims are and how he will obtain them, but we get signs.
It is our duty as human creations to try as hard as we can to live as He created us to (that's why He sent Jesus). Also, your hunch was off. I am in the process of inculcation into Catholicism after being raised quite secularly.
@kowalityjesus if each persons relationship with god transcends an ability of comprehension than why would you subject yourself to mass religion? wouldn't he want you to have your own spiritual experience, instead of going to what is now the biggest corporation in the world? I believe that the greatest thing you can do with your time on this earth isn't to devote yourself to appeasing god, but to live life like its the only one you have, treat everyone with love and understanding, instead of...
@daver72420 the reason why it the bible is allegorical and sometimes vague is because if God told us WHY we were really created and the full truth of what surrounds us, we would be scared and distracted out of our minds. God wants us to go about our business, but He doesn't want us to hate each other and He doesn't want us to abuse our bodies and other beings. Those are the primary tenements of Christianity.
The Church is there to educate and build a community so that these...
@kowalityjesus this is my last argument, because i could see this going on forever. why would god create us incapable of comprehending our roles? or why would he create us with things like fear and hate. if he truly is omnipotent than why would he create so many contradictions flaws and gaps. have you ever considered that religion might be the devils work. what would be the easiest way to condemn people? to make them feel they are doing gods work. my biggest argument though is the period known
@daver72420 can proliferate. As I said, I was not raised Christian. I came to the church because it was obvious that God was giving me signs and I wanted to consult with some people who are in the business of showing people how God wants them to live and how God likes to be worshiped and appreciated (btw it's not so much "how God wants us to live" as it is "how we really would want to live if we understood our best interests and not the Devil's"). Fear of God is a wise thing to own.
@kowalityjesus as the christian dark ages. it was no doubt the darkest time in the last 1000 years, and all due to holy wars, killing in the name of the lord. why would he create religion if he knew this would be the outcome, because afterall, he is all knowing.
@daver72420 I forgive you for talking nonsense, for you know not what you do. May the light of Christ come into your heart.
There are libraries of books written about these "why"s and I have neither the mental capacity nor the text space to respond to them. I am glad that you acknowledge the REALITY of the work of the Devil, and would like to thank you for not being openly disrespectful. Talk to a priest; the Catholics have filled in A LOT of the holes in Man's knowledge of God.:)
@daver72420 - There you are. The person of interest, I have been waiting for this... chiming in on a random post. The clarification of the biggest questions on Earth and beyond. Ask me anything and I will guide you to the One you doubt. I am his prophet, touched by angels and able to reduce the loud flurry of irrational thought to a calm swell of discernment. I have challenged the Most High and have been given light.
Christ's plan was altered and his mission was cut shor
@daver72420 - To understand God one must walk in His shoes...this is easy - Originally, there was a Garden... but a sneaky snake ruined that. This resulted in anarchy throughout the world and enacted the reactive plan of the Messiah.
Next the Messiah was rejected by His people, which resulted in the Christian movement and sneaky snakes made religion of it.
So He did NOT PLAN any of this. And He refuses to force His hand on you because He knows all He has to do is RETURN and prove it.
HOW FUCKING FAST O YOU WANT ME TO READ?!
WhItEcHaPeL95 2 weeks ago
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WilliamTheFriar 2 weeks ago
@WilliamTheFriar lol, I remember waaaaay back when myspace was "it" and if you even clicked on that religion on someones profile it would automatically set your religion as the same and w/e the book was called went under your fav. books haha, thought it was so funny as a kid, and still today lol
BigBrothersWatching2 2 weeks ago
@WilliamTheFriar
I would love to be touched by his noodly appendages as well
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zioband 2 weeks ago
can anyone explain the planets and there origin along with the various galoxies and how they came into existance? if you go the big bang route please explain what ever caused it came from? I am very curious how you would explain it. ppl
chepat57 1 month ago
@chepat57 The short answer is that we don't know where the universe came from - what "caused" it. But I'm guessing that you are explaining the origin of the cosmos with "magic" and accepting that, so the question is: do you actually want to try to understand the answer to your question (because it is right here on YT if you want it), or are you stuck in a belief that the-magic-man-made-it is an acceptable answer?
JPO1618 1 month ago 8
@chepat57 Sure. Planets are composed on either rock with molten centers (due to the gravitational pull from their home star) or primarily made of gas, which coalesced much in the same way stars do: massively heavy amounts of gas and dust collapsing in on itself due to gravity. If you take a gas giant like Jupiter, the only between that and our sun is the Sun is MUCH more massive. EVERYTHING is a product of element dispursion via ever repeating supernovae over billions of years. Yourself too
rhcpdave 2 weeks ago
@YngwieAteMe
chepat57 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad I never had a previous life. It's just this contrary to popular belief. And I would honestly rather go to hell than worship and asshole and be forced to spend eternity with his annoying worshipers. That would be hell.
johnnyboy2537 1 month ago
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12
What a nice guy.
johnnyboy2537 1 month ago
@johnnyboy2537 Yeah, right and everyone else lives forever. Consider yourself compost.
yogione 1 month ago
@johnnyboy2537 LoL DudeYourOntoMe 17:12.
closed-minded
narrow-minded, narrow - lacking tolerance or flexibility or breadth of view; "a brilliant but narrow-minded judge"; "narrow opinions"
In a past life, you were an asshole, seems you'll never learn Johnny Boy.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
Tripe/
toetapper04 1 month ago
oh shit was that a picture of mohammed? you better hide my friend
coolbuddykermit 1 month ago
There is no god, Get over it.
PREDAL1ENWARRIOR 1 month ago
Hm, I think I should actually read the Bible and the Koran once. I'm an atheist myself, but at least I'll be able to criticize other people's religions with a clear mind.
kfijatass 2 months ago
@kfijatass A very prudent idea
JPO1618 2 months ago
@JPO1618
you do realize that jesus was a jew right? jesus was racist against himself? use your brain man, seriously. and your taking things so out of context it's incredibly stupid. if you added the stuff before those verses you would realize he was saying they were the sons of the devil because of their refusal to believe in him. it was those specific people, not the entire jewish population you dumbshit.
YngwieAteMe 2 months ago
@YngwieAteMe I'm confused; to what comment are you referring? I don't think it was me...
JPO1618 2 months ago
@JPO1618
the second comment. you basically said that jesus was racist against himself which is more illogical than saying lil wayne is a good guitar player.
YngwieAteMe 1 month ago
@YngwieAteMe I'm sorry "the second comment" means nothing to me. Sorry, but just quote my words and we can both see what I said.Then I will happily discuss whichever point you would like.
JPO1618 1 month ago
@YngwieAteMe - Well put!
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
it was clear to anyone who didnt have their head in their arse that Jesus was the son of God.
The reason why Jesus said that Satan stood among his accusers: they knew he was a man to listen to, yet they were too proud to submit and have faith. They unjustly tried and crucified him. Strange thing is, God knew that was going to happen all the time and sent the prophets to write about it.
Wide is the pathway to hell and many are those who walk it. Do not count yourself among them!
kowalityjesus 1 month ago
@kfijatass
the fact that you have only now decided to actually know what you're criticizing sickens me.
YngwieAteMe 2 months ago
@YngwieAteMe Well, not like a great majority of christians "actually know" what they're worshipping either.
kfijatass 2 months ago
may you feel his wrath before mine eyes i guess you created this existance and got reincarnated huh go BIG BANG YOURSELF
noctemaeternus0 2 months ago
@noctemaeternus0 "may you feel his wrath before mine eyes..." What would suffice your oh-so-motherly Christmas blood-lust? I could get hit by a car? Or the old stand-by: I could get struck by lightning? Come on over, and I give you permission to convene with your god and have It smite me in any way you see fit.
Why do I feel so much hatred from you nocte?
JPO1618 2 months ago
@noctemaeternus0 idiots believe in god. you are an idiot.
iliveon 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad WhaT?! Are you kidding !! Noah Ark has not been identified. The Dead Sea Scroll's don't prove anything...other than there were a lot of other "scared writings" that aren't included in any canon. Where's this stone from Moses? And what proof is there that it's from a bible story. Where are the chariots in the sea...and how is this proof of anything? Where is Jesus' blood on the Ark? Give us references of evidence.
You're a gullible fool.
ninjamojo711 2 months ago
@ninjamojo711 -- If these things were proven true and you were convinced in the evidence, you would still throw it out because it proves you wrong. See, it is more important for you to be right, than for you to be righteos - which is the calling of the prophets - to become advanced in moral character and act on Earth as honorable demigods, scientists and great leaders of men. Your leaders speak the wisdom of Solomon, but fail to walk the talk. The Bible speaks about a real God.
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad No, evidence is evidence, but it has to be real evidence. The problem with certain biblical scholars is that they start with their doctrinal agenda and try to find evidence that fits their belief system and seems to meet their predetermined conclusion. Real science comes to conclusions by researching the evidence. Not the other way around.
There is no evidence Jesus of Nazareth from the gospels ever existed.
The bible is a book of iron age myths and ancient superstition.
ninjamojo711 2 months ago
@ninjamojo711 Science cannot study what is not made clear to them for testing. Just like you can't replicate, in front of your mechanic, the way your car chugged out on the freeway. So the mechanic cannot find a problem. Scientists study supernatural phenomenon every day and have significant data to prove their claims. Twelve devout Jews staked their lives on a story of a physically risen man from the dead and it has become the most powerful religion on Earth. Disprove this fact.
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad Christianity has become the "most powerful religion on earth" because the powerful Roman Empire at the time adapted it and synthesized it with the other pagan religions of the time for the very reason of making a universal religion. Pax Romana.
The church has since grown, survived and fabricated it's own history,destroyed other religious texts because it became a great political power, not because some 12 (or more, the bible can't decide how many) characters followed a myth.
ninjamojo711 2 months ago
@ninjamojo711 Christianity is unstoppable and has become the law of the land - they couldn't stop it from spreading so they adapted and took it over, big deal, proves nothing. They killed the real Christians, they burned bibles so the truth got out before their takeover. What they forgot was that we would have history, archaeology and science to prove Christ's claims. Christ is a body of evidence and prophecy confirms him. People believe after looking into it objectively.
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad But did the people writing these stories about Jesus have access to these supposed prophecies? They did. And we have reason to believe that, if they were early Christians, it could help the legitimacy of their Jesus claims to make parts of his story (THEIR story) fit with well-known Jewish prophecies.
The simpler explanation is that they wrote parts of the stories to fit with the prophecies. THAT is where an objective exploration will get you.
JPO1618 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad continued: devout followers of all kinds of religions stake their lives on their beliefs, Christianity is no exception.
The gospels are allegorical narrative full of mythical symbolism. It's Greek mystery religion (pagan) and Jewish messiah midrash blended together. It was written by Jews living in a Greek world. They are not written as witness accounts as they are not meant to be historical.
Read Paul's letters. He knows of no Jesus of Nazareth that was recently on earth.
ninjamojo711 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad continued: where is your proof 12 disciples staked their lives on anything? All you have is legend and fables.
ninjamojo711 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad continued: The supernatural is only what the superstitious believe in, what science has yet to explain. Science isn't finished, but look at some of what we've learned:
Mentally handicapped people aren't possessed by the devil.
Disease is caused by bacteria, not a curse.
Thunder isn't a god's anger.
Lightning isn't thrown down from god.
The earth isn't flat.
Rain doesn't come from windows in the heavens.
Earth is older that 6000 years old.
As Science expands, god shrinks. Easy.
ninjamojo711 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad ...cont: but the mechanic can observe, research, run diagnostics, come to a conclusion and attempt to fix what is perceived to be the issue. If the problem persists, the testing and diagnostics continues until the problem is correctly identified and fixed if applicable.
How does your inability to personally replicate the a mechanical issue in any way help your argument for proof of god? Are you saying god is only "clear" to you and others but not to science? Weak and pathetic!
ninjamojo711 2 months ago
@ninjamojo711 - Wow, it is amazing how you cannot even understand what my simple words were saying. Read again - I was saying that the reason you can't test the supernatural is because it cannot be replicated. The Mechanics (scientists) are not going to fix what may prove to be supernatural because 1.they haven't got the brain power or 2.significant (lots of) data to test it. It is beyond their little minds to understand, like yours - a weaker, more pathetic genetic glitch in DNA.
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad If the "supernatural" cannot be tested because it cannot be replicated...how do you know it's supernatural and how do you know it exists?
ninjamojo711 2 months ago
@ninjamojo711 - When a home-made Ouija Board spells out letters by itself without any person touching it or using trickery, it's fucking supernatural. When you feel people sitting on your bed and nobody's there, it's supernatural. When you see human figures in a photograph of an empty room, it's supernatural. Science is scared shitless because it breaks all of their little rules, acquired through years of testing and regularly denying the supernatural. This is always the case.
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad Can you show that any of those things happened in reality? Any of those things would be very interesting to get good evidence for.
JPO1618 2 months ago
@JPO1618 - LoL, do you think there will ever be evidence? The Saudi Government literally guards these sites and never permits more than a walk through, if that. Grant money will never go to anything relating to the bible, no matter how amazing it is. A 10 story rock that looks like the ten commandment tablets and has obvious water erosion from the middle outward in a dry desert will only prove God, and create the rebellion our Christian fathers had when they fought against oppression.
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@JPO1618 - What is evidence anyway? Columbus 'wrote' about a glowing light that shot up out of the water and flew away, hundreds of pilots have seen UFOs and recorded it in their flight logs - even before the UFO craze. This stuff goes so deep that you can literally cut your flesh and see demons.
Give God what is his and you will have words with angels - I am a witness to these things and it is very real. He says "Why would I show myself to a coward?" Seek Christ relentlessly!
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad "What is evidence anyway?"
ev·i·dence [ev-i-duhns] noun
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign:
3. Law . data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.
So you believe in Alien Space Crafts and God incarnating on Earth? How does that work...Space Jesus? ;-)
JPO1618 2 months ago
@JPO1618 - It's Old, but it is still valid as evidence...
1. Prophecy and it's fulfillment in detail and miraculous events.
2. Archaeological evidence. The sign of the Messiah's birth, death and resurrection.
3. Historically sound testimony of the existence of a deity on Earth with a Roman court procedure and witnesses. Plus a cohesive pattern of understanding that leads to wisdom.
Believing in UFOs because I saw a video would be foolish, but believing because I saw a UFO myself - wise.
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad I saw Penn and Teller shoot each other with guns and catch the bullets in their teeth too, should I believe my senses then as well?
I would be interested (though I fear I know) what some of this historical and archaeological evidence is.
As for prophecy, unless you can show me that the writers of the later stories couldn't have had access to the earlier prophecies, then I will use Occam's Razor and disregard it.
What evidence of ancient miracles exists? none
JPO1618 2 months ago
@JPO1618 - Jee, let's use an archaic "rule of thumb" from the 1300's to help us prove all unusual phenomenon wrong without any real science. This is why you will never SEE or HEAR the truth, because you are cut from the same fabric as men who denied women to testify in courtrooms. You agree with what appears to be truth but have no basis for your belief. Jesus, his words, the bible's historicity, and archaeology are a very solid basis for believing in the deity of Christ on Earth.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@JPO1618 - If you saw a dinosaur hatch from an egg and you cut it up and ate it and it tasted like chicken, you could tell your friends, put it in a jar and show them and they would still doubt you. This is why Jesus said, "You believe I am the Messiah because you have seen my miracles, but blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." He is saying that the mind who finds truth with little to go on is not a fool, but a genius. To believe is to HAVE evidence not hearsay.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad "To believe is to HAVE evidence not hearsay" Wrong. Look up belief anywhere and find something close to that. Religious faith is belief WITHOUT evidence - and often, as you are exemplifying, IN THE FACE OF evidence. And evidence is not proof anyway; just because you interpret some piece of evidence as proof of divinity does not make it necessarily so.
JPO1618 1 month ago
@JPO1618 - Wrong, Paul clarified this saying "faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen." He is not saying that one should believe without evidence, rather evidence results in faith. If I give you a rock and say this is a rock, with little examination you agree. The apostles were given a Rock, and after he rose from death, there was no reason to doubt him, however Thomas doubted, Jesus said "here feel my wounds". He established his words on EVIDENCE.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad Kind of a shame the evidence was ephemeral. If it were concrete and available, nobody would have a question about it.
artsmith100 1 month ago
@artsmith100 - It is not ephemeral, it happens often enough to be tested and validated. I guess the Vatican scientists aren't real scientists right? They just pretend to test and make up results. Have you ever seen a real excorsism? Have you seen or felt ghosts? Until you do, you think it is ephemeral, afterward, you see it everywhere. Even science keeps finding issues with photons, are they particles or waves? Scientists have followed this fringe stuff for ages. There is evidence!
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@JPO1618 - I admit, people believe without facts, but my point is that the facts are hidden in the unseen. You are not talking to a religious person as you believe, I am something completely different. Before I found the truth, I was like you, dismissive. You cannot deny the texts, they clearly outline the interaction between deity and man. They have found minor contradictions by translation but no scholar would deny their historicity. The truth is hidden from plain sight, but it's real
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad Dude, you need to do some literary criticism (study of the history) of your own texts.
artsmith100 1 month ago
@artsmith100 - Dude, I have and they have little weight. Show me a source, I probably read it but I am open to reading it all. See arguing with God is like arguing against a true statement. The burden of proof is on you, I already believe. You question, so prove something. If something isn't proven wrong it doesn't mean it's right but if the words are true, like the proverbs, then what is your argument, that you don't believe Jesus words were true or Solomon's proverbs, where?
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@JPO1618 - The origin of the universe was described by Paul when he said "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."
Is not this the case? Is not a big bang the movement from nothing to something of substance? If God appeared to you, you might still doubt, but if you scientifically discover him, you will believe. So Thomas, go forth and stick your probes into my universe, or come quicker, by Christ.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad We'll take the slow way, thanks.
artsmith100 1 month ago
@artsmith100 - The slow way is fine except that there is a disastrous end to the Earth coming before you ever figure anything out and a complete destruction of the universe after that. All within a pretty short period of time. Do you think the Star Wars project ended? It was & is an observation system for the return of the messiah. They aren't going to throw out a book that they know is credible. War was made against them in that book, it's foolish to doubt it after seeing aliens.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@JPO1618 - I have evidence because I have seen and talked to intelligences who are at a level of skill & knowledge far surpassing our comprehension. We forget that this God of ours can recreate what is lost. We also forget that the Earth is under another intelligent control and this is why God does not physically attack. There is an appropriate process in place, this was NOT God's plan - to deceive Eve or to kill his own son. These were mishaps that are allowed in a freewill creation.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad "Mishaps" can't happen with an omniscient god. If they could, he wouldn't be omniscient.
artsmith100 1 month ago
@JPO1618 There is a prophecy by a man named Daniel. He was forced to tell the king what his dream was. He was given no clues and was told he would be killed as the seers before him were. He prayed to God and was told the king's entire dream, and it was a dream of the history of all earthly kingdoms, it has been fulfilled up to the last part, our current state of existence. That's an entire list of world kingdoms - fulfilled. Let alone the messiah who proved the prophets were true.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad That's it? I should believe the stories about Jesus just 'cuz? And Daniel, which the NT writers could and almost certainly did have access to? Why shouldn't the Razor work here without better evidence?
Option A: People made up false stories about a magic man (much documented throughout history)
Option B: A magic man existed (other than the bible, let's say) no other evidence for this exists)
It seems likely, though not definite, that people made up stories then
JPO1618 1 month ago
@JPO1618 here's an interesting rebuttal to your narrow options:
option A: Christianity just happened to rise to the top all across Europe because of mass delusion based on false stories from a widely circulated book.
option B: The Bible documents remote-yet-historical facts of a man who was sent by God to save humanity. Many people perished in the promulgation of his message in the early years, but thru zealous sacrifice and the grace of God, his disciples have helped his Word thrive.
kowalityjesus 1 month ago
@kowalityjesus which part of the Option B stories do we believe when they contradict each other?
JPO1618 1 month ago
@JPO1618 that's what the Catholic church is concerned with. I consign my issues in that regard to people whose life is devoted to that (just like any other specialized profession)
kowalityjesus 1 month ago
@JPO1618 Option C - Christ was the Messiah and his followers died spreading his message but the movement of the underground churches overtook the region to the point where fighting them became costly and so they joined the movement and guided it into a world religion.
Tell me this - why would they go around and push a book that exposes them as hypocrites and thieves. Why wouldn't they rewrite it? They couldn't rewrite what was commonly known through the region or it would be obvious.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@JPO1618 - see, we have truth not because we are blind but because it is OBVIOUS that Jesus (Yeshuah) did exactly what these people said he did - or at least they believed it so much that they were willing to die for him. They committed their lives to sainthood and poverty which we have evidence of, so where is their gain in faking a dead God? You fool, you have no idea what you don't know, and u will never study the new testament as evidence, you see a myth and look further. Foolish!
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@kowalityjesus - this is further proof of your black & white thinking - it must be this or that - nonsense. You cannot prove that Christ did not exist, even after 2000 years of Jesus hatred. This is more evidence that it stood the test and can never be refuted. You can refute everyone in the world, except this "invisible" man. No argument holds water - this guy was alive and was a prophet and his words are coming true right now and you still refuse to see it.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@JPO1618 The Razor of Christ is the only way to discern between truth and lies. You don't have this ability because you refuse to consider the possibility that you are wrong. I don't argue saying the sky is not blue, but you do. To me you are a fool of fools, not because you refuse to believe without evidence, but that you refuse to even look at the evidence. I have evidence for what I believe and all men are fools without the knowledge of this being within them. They are fools.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@JPO1618
oh, and for the record, i noticed that you mentioned in an argument that healers still exist today. yes, there are plenty of non-christian healers that heal people today, but most, if not all of it is based off of voodoo in which a spirit (most likely demonic) possesses somebody to cast out the other spirit. i could easily argue they exercise themselves for the sake of deceiving one into believing a false higher power. Jesus proved he stood out from the rest by rising again.
YngwieAteMe 1 month ago
@YngwieAteMe MOST healers are NOT voodoo practitioners. Many 'healers' exist in India and other Asian and African counntries - far from voodoo.
Where (other than the Bible) is your proof of Jesus rising again? Jesus' claims exactly mirror the claims of many people today and throughout history.
JPO1618 1 month ago
@JPO1618 And don't forget Christian "healers".
artsmith100 1 month ago
@JPO1618
you're missing what i meant by voodoo, but many cases of african healings i hear actually come from christian missionaries (no, i'm not making that up), and people that are just naturally great at medicine (there is a man in africa that that can remove tumors with a simple cutting tool and nothing else). several people saw him rise at once, he was buried under a massive rock, there 2 guards constantly guarding that rock, women discovered it empty, no body etc. plenty evidence.
YngwieAteMe 1 month ago
@JPO1618
continuing: my mother has a friend that had dislexia. she went to a christian spiritual healer and she was healed. i'm not sure if you know this, but you CANNOT fake not having dislexia anymore. i was also healed, but i won't get into that (too complicated), my dad went through some instant and gradual changes after he was healed, there is a christian man that goes around the world rising people from the dead, holes in hearts disappearing after prayer etc. do you want anymore?
YngwieAteMe 1 month ago
@YngwieAteMe There are plenty of Christian "healers", too, but they don't really heal anybody, and they sometimes hasten peoples deaths by convincing them they're healed when they aren't.
artsmith100 1 month ago
@artsmith100
i was healed, my dad was healed, my mom's friend was healed, neal morse's daughter had a hole in her heart and requires surgery, but after attending a church service where they all prayed the hole disappeared and morse was converted as a result etc. this is stuff that you can't fake and there is no scientific explanation for a hole in somebody's heart disappearing. that also seems pretty symbolic as well.
YngwieAteMe 1 month ago
@YngwieAteMe Actually the hole being covered was the body's fixing, not a bunch of people telepathically communicating to a 2,000 year old Jewish carpenter zombie who then somehow took control of the cells in her heart. It was the body's heart tissue rebuilding its own tissue. It would have happened if she attended church or not.
ladtheman1360 1 month ago
@ladtheman1360 - Are you listening. It was a fucking hole. Do you get holes in your heart that come and go? What a dismissive prick! Even if a fucking leg grew out in front of your eyes you would deny. Jesus spoke of men like you saying "Seeing they see NOT, hearing they hear not" Apparently He had the same problem with you back then LOL. You deny because the idea of God seems ridiculous to you. That's your basis for dismissal, that makes you a fool. Sorry.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad I'm the fool? You believe that you can telepathically communicate to a 2,000 year old dead Jewish carpenter and he does his invisible magic on what ever you ask for. Riiigghhtt. Have fun with your invisible man.
ladtheman1360 1 month ago
@ladtheman1360 - A dead Jewish carpenter that they couldn't find the body of or we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. You don't get it because you didn't read the part where he explains that he did this to make the blind see - and those who claim to see (you) blind. He died and returned to life and now the entire would argues it. The people who refuse to believe will consider it crazy, while the open-minded are given EVIDENCE of his presence and existence. You're out!
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad All possible evidence of his body not being there are contained in a book called the bible. Again, one piece of propaganda is not enough to say that it is true. I am taking all your arguments into close consideration and reviewing them, then refuting them. That is not closed mindedness. If I totally rejected your arguments then that would be an acceptable statement.
ladtheman1360 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad From what you say God is a monster. If he gave us the ability to use logic and reason. the ability to seek answers and find truths, but expected us to believe in something without any evidence. Intentionally confusing us so that a large portion of people go to the worst place imaginable. He supposedly armed us with a weapon that we're never to use, our mind. We're never to understand him, we're only to take our punishment as dumb, blind slaves. To love something that hates us so
TheMadFedje 2 weeks ago
@ladtheman1360
actually, a number of professional surgeons don't claim a heart needs an operation if it doesn't and she was healed almost immediately. tissue doesn't rebuild itself that fast, namekians are fictional characters. stop watching so much dragon ball z and keep your head down on the actual earth.
YngwieAteMe 1 month ago
@YngwieAteMe Alright I will just give you that one. Lets just say you are correct. You say that an invisible man fixed it? How did he do that? Magic? You cant even see him in the first place. There is also ZERO evidence for his existence. You cant just make up stories if you don't know how it grew back.
ladtheman1360 1 month ago
@ladtheman1360
"There is also ZERO evidence for his existence" yet you "gave me" the fact that a miracle just happened. there is plenty of evidence, try reading some books like the case for creation and the case for christ. core facts that books like these are based on have not been disproven and honestly just can't be disproven. oh, and the definition of god omnipotent and omniscent. i don't see the point in asking how he can perform a miracle.
YngwieAteMe 1 month ago
@YngwieAteMe There actually is ZERO factual evidence for a god's existence, and the same goes for Amen Re, Buddha, and the thousands of other gods out there. Miracles are hallucination, in reality they are miraculous and spontaneous acts of nature. You can't disprove something that doesn't exist. For example I cannot prove unicorns or Bigfoot do not exist. I couldn't even if I tried. How does god go about preforming a miracle? If prayer worked there would be no hunger, tsunamis, and destruction.
ladtheman1360 1 month ago
@ladtheman1360
the fact that you think buddha is considered a god just goes to show how little you know of the things you like to criticize. what a joke.
YngwieAteMe 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad What if you seek Christ relentlessly and come up finding nothing? At what point do you have to decide between lowering your standard of evidence and giving up the "relentless" search? If you TRULY search with an open heart you will not find Jesus there - it is only your prior belief that finds Jesus there.
What do you mean about cutting you flesh and seeing demons - "literally" is a strong word and I question its veracity.
JPO1618 2 months ago
@JPO1618 - Cut your fucking arms and see what I meant. Pussy!
Seeking Christ is not letting him ignore you. I came to him directly as an Atheist and tried to talk to demons as well, by the end of the night I was damned and truth was revealed. Why study the crumbs that fall when you can go directly to the Master. Science is a toy for us to play with until we find God and see what angels do in their spare time - without machines. You're a baby, blind and poopy. Grow up and see the truth.
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@JPO1618 - Christianity wasn't started because someone said a space Jesus came, they healed the sick and performed miracles that no man could disprove. This hurled Christianity into the giant it is to this day. That is well worth investigating. First Contact already happened, and we killed him. That is not a fake story. The details pass all critical analysis of false manuscripts. Furthermore, the Bible is the only book that exposes "Religion" and dark powers. It is a proof not theory.
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad Healing the sick and making the lame walk? Those same claims are being made by people today - some have thousands that would attest to their powers - and yet many of them contradict Jesus' story. Who should we believe? Or should be skeptical of all claims? Especially those claims that are contradicted by other, perhaps more well established, claims.
Using the Gospels as evidence is dangerous given their often mutually contradictory tales.
JPO1618 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad yeah you but you can tell your mechanic the symptoms and i can fix it that way instead..as far as religion goes,id rather not base my life on what ignorant goatherders thousands of years ago thought
sabreyow 2 months ago
@ninjamojo711 - Noah's ark was identified by an archaeologist. The dead sea scrolls have perfect copies of the bible proving it was not rewritten by Rome. The rock Moses split is brand new and obvious as shit. The chariots are brand new and need to be explored further. Jesus blood was supposedly found in a cave under Golgotha, it was tested and had 23 chromosomes... a virgin birth. What if you are wrong? Watch this: watch?v=e9WAYEj9Is0 @9:40
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad Noah's ark has not been identified. Christians found a shape on Mt Ararat and conclude that it has to be Noah's Ark.
Ancient stone tablets found in Sumer that predate the bible and the Hebrew religion tell of a similar story of a flood and a man who built a boat for the animals. That myth exists in other older cultures as well.
The story is not original and there is absolutely no evidence it's "Noah Ark" on Ararat.
Charlatans have sold petrified wood claiming it be form the Ark.
ninjamojo711 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"
That pseudo-archeology by Christians dressed up in "archeologist attire" is laughable.
Big deal, a rock with a split down the middle proves nothing. There isn't even any archeological evidence that the Exodus happened.
Perhaps some real scientists should look at it instead of preachers from Texas wearing Crocodile Dundee outfits.
ninjamojo711 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad There is no statement in the Bible or any other ancient source that places Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia by whatever ancient name (in this case Midian).
Mt. Sinai is clearly placed outside of Saudi Arabia and right on the Sinai Peninsula.
Exodus: while the Israelites were camped near Mt. Sinai, Moses sent his Midianite (Saudi Arabian) father-in-law Jethro back to "his own country" of Midian Clearly, Mt. Sinai and northwestern Saudi Arabia (Midian) were in two different locations.
ninjamojo711 2 months ago
@ninjamojo711 - fair enough, you're so perfectly right! Your dismissal based on some Google searches is so well thought out. Why do you think Saudis put up gates and protect the area with guns? They really don't want us on that desert area with nothing in it at all? Yes, they just randomly guard every one of these sites for the fucking hell of it! Grow a rational brain cell, you are not rational you are narrow-minded, you couldn't even see the obvious. WOW is all I have to say. WOW
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
There are many teachings that seem to contradict the other in religion, I understand that, and much violence in the name of one's own religion. However, it should not be looked upon as a waste of time, or the sole cause of all of humanity's troubles. Many values, and moral lessons were directly connected with religion, and thanks to that, we have good people in this world (as well as bad). Religion isn't required for these teachings, but were taught this way thousands of years ago. (continued>>>
BigMGSBoss 2 months ago
@BigMGSBoss
(continued) If you look at religion, you will see that there were many good hearted people that genuinely were good people; then you have those that do not except any deviation, and attempt to control others through lies, bringing chaos. Though it may pain me to say this personally, how is this different from a corrupt government? Or the irreligious using religion to sway others for self-interest? All in alll, "constitution of a country"=bible/torah/etc, God=Gov. (ran out of space)
BigMGSBoss 2 months ago
@BigMGSBoss - The very first sentence of the constitution refers to God as a creator who made us in equality. That is government, the rest is corruption... amendments and acts should never compromise our sovereignty. We became the US through battles with big brother, now the kids watch the pretty kaleidoscope of lies and the congressmen read the first few pages of a six inch pile of papers and sign our lives away. TIME to REVOLT!!!
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
Islam and Mormonism Are one in the same. It's Just a matter of who got out of the fucking cave first!?
joshanator1 2 months ago
But got to admit, it IS fun to fuck'm!
joshanator1 2 months ago
FRY THAT FUCKING JEW BASTARD!
joshanator1 2 months ago
I love you Bjork!
offwithurhead 2 months ago
Look, if you're religious, instead of posting random shite on YouTube, read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins and "God Is Not Great" by Christopher Hitchens. If you're not religious then there's probably no point in arguing with religious people because they've almost definitely been raised from childhood to belive in that stuff and no amount of comments will help. Also, even though I think religion is silly, calling people morons won't help your case.
MegaYoshitsune 3 months ago
Richard Dawkins is a cranky old man. Even if he were right, which I am quite sure he isnt, I wouldn't want to be like him.
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
@MegaYoshitsune - Yeah why don't you read the rebuttals to those books yourself. They are out there too.
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
November 25th 2011:
Pope Benedict XVI reiterated that the Jewish people are not responsible for Jesus' death in a new book released on Wednesday.
The Pope also denies the Gospel writers' claim that Jews working in the Temple collaborated with the Roman authorities, leading to Jesus' exectution.
yogione 3 months ago 2
@yogione - These Popes work for the NWO and are Luciferian. I can't wait until you all see the one world religion of the Illuminati and say WTF? I will laugh at you and have no mercy because we tried to warn you but no, you wouldn't listen so now you will be handed over to the Fascists to be processed and chipped before the great day of the Lord's return, which they hide evidence for - also hiding all the alien shit until you see it and go WTF, is this for real? and you deny the Masons?
TheLaunchingPad 1 month ago
@TheLaunchingPad You're projecting what you think I think. You don't know what I think. In the words of Ambrose Bierce: Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum (I think I think, therefore I think I am).
yogione 1 month ago
When YOU condemn Your very own CREATOR. Creator of everything, If He didn't create It. It doesn't exist. Just because You don't believe in Satan the Devil. Won't protect You from him. Now who's the fool. When you follow A fool, Your A Bigger fool than he is.
MrTommyjack 3 months ago
@MrTommyjack
Thanks mr. tommy jack.
mellamosean 3 months ago
Frank Zappa wears funny clothes to make up for his lack of musicle talent . Lou Reed .
LuluRosenkrantz 3 months ago
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yogione 3 months ago
@LuluRosenkrantz Lou Reed's heroin use has made it possible for him to stand his own out-of-tune band that has always played just a bit off. This isn't to say he isn't soulful in his own way or that he has no good tunes or that he isn't worth listening to. But Frank Zappa actually knew musical notation, how to conduct an orchestra and as to concluding who is more musical (sic) between them, Zappa is the one. Composition majors at Oberlin sing his praises (and in tune,
yogione 3 months ago
@yogione Frankly , I cannot remember one Zappa song . Maybe it was just too much rock & roll and drug abuse on my part .
Lou Reed songs ; I remember a few .
LuluRosenkrantz 3 months ago
@LuluRosenkrantz A little known fact is that Frank Zappa wrote the theme for the Batman television series. I think my favorite Lou Reed tune is probably Walk on the Wild Side, or I'm Waiting for my Man from the Velvet Underground Banana Album. Favorite Zappa tunes: Jesus Thinks You're an Asshole (appropriate for this thread); No way to delay that trouble comin' every day; Don't Eat the Yellow Snow; What's the Ugliest Part of Your Body? Help I'm a Rock. Concentration Moon. So very many hits.
yogione 3 months ago
Religion is the mother of wars.
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@kowalityjesus cavemen created god to explain what they did not understand, only an ignorant moron would believe it is still a viable answer in today's world of amassed knowledge.
Gospels do not even qualify as 'hearsay', can you say pathetic?
mechanicmike69 3 months ago 4
@mechanicmike69 "God" is a name, a name for something that exists and you cannot deny and you cannot explain, and you hate it. Give up. Jesus has a plan for us to live as the higher power of creation wants us to live. You have no foot to stand on that denies the power of Christian tradition.
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus God is a fucking myth created by ignorant cavemen to explain what they did not understand (just like you). Nothing you can type will change that fact, you are an ignorant delusional fucking moron.
Gospels/Jesus do not even qualify as hearsay you ignorant fucking moron.
also note you ignorant twit it is impossible to hate something that does not exist. God does not exist, in fact you are proof that IGNORANCE = GOD.
mechanicmike69 3 months ago 2
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christ was put on this earth to warn people like you that you are continuing down a path that grates against your own deep-seated will. Return to God and unload that burden which you are incapable of carrying, He will provide one which you can support, for he created you and knows your very thoughts.
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus Do you have any evidence that supports your claims that hold up to scrutiny?
JPO1618 3 months ago 10
@JPO1618
yes, but it is metaphysical evidence under my own scrutiny. I can assure you at least the last clause of that statement beyond the shadow of a doubt. you would think I am insane, but if you spent enough time around me, I am sure I could show you evidence which would prove that it is true beyond all measure of probability. It is an honor to be shown this all the time, and I feel bad for everyone that cannot have a rational basis for their faith, but it is unswervingly obvious to me.
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus That is not what scrutiny means. Can others look at your evidence independently and come to the same conclusion? Are you talking about hearing a voice? or unlikely events (miracles)? Or what?
How do you know that what you are experiencing is supernatural and not natural - other than you opinion?
JPO1618 3 months ago 15
@JPO1618 not quite, it is called augury which is a form of divination, an idea with origins in ancient Greece and I am sure elsewhere in the world. Its primary manifestation is the apparition, the call, and the flight of birds. I acquired the burden/blessing of augury in my life during my early 20s, and have used it as a tool to gauge the anger/blessing of God ever since. I know it is not the 'spirit' or 'god' of the birds, and it is not paranoia. I am not sure if other people have this happen
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus - All anyone has to do is see an animal react to noise or movement in the woods and watch it assume something is there, something invisible to be wary of. Some unusual invisible force that must be respected and scared of, and how easily this assumption can be extrapolated into an all mighty invisible being at the cause of all things unknown by sentient beings. Belief in god is more proof of evolution.
mechanicmike69 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus Actually, perhaps you could tell me the difference between your purported sanity, when you think your god is communicating with you, and when the bum on the streets think the bush is talking to them? is the difference here, the manifestation of the deity in the bush? or do deities not manifest as bushes any more...?
mechanicmike69 3 months ago
@mechanicmike69 funny you should say that because at one time in my life I was so spiritually active that a divine form appeared in bushes a few times, among many other things. I am happy that I was so nuts, because it gave me a very solid grounding to have faith that my life is not meaningless. I am sorry for everyone that doesn't assuringly know that.
Sanity is very subjective, but yeah you're probably right that most hobos are in their own world on their own spiritual mission or crazy, idk.
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus meaningless? are you kidding me? * Life is pointless when you live for imaginary invisible beings and imaginary lands. You theists are the one wasting your time, not us. We atheists live for Family, friends, and community, and they will always be more important than any religion's invisible beings and superstitions. Stick your fairy tales up your ignorant asses, Pussies.
mechanicmike69 3 months ago
When you get waken up every morning by crows that only stop cawing when you finally stir THEN you can suppose you understand. Or when you listen to a crow in the distance that only stops when you figure out you have to call your grandparents (it will be the last time you exchange words with your step-grandfather) THEN tell me I am imagining things. My gf at the time heard me think out loud and remarked that it was strange that it would stop when I finally realized what it was I was meant to do
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
sorry to imply that you think your life is meaningless, I really don't know what you live for, tho I have a very good idea of what you believe (I would probably think the same thing if I werent excplicity shown otherwise), and it sound like you have what I would call good Christian values. I am an artist, you are a mechanic (so I infer). Perhaps my sensitivity and capacity for subtlety which contributes to my pursuits has bearing on my capacity to infer omen and the necessity to acknowledge God.
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus IGNORANCE = GOD, you are proof. God is a myth, you myth spreading moron. Go Fish...
mechanicmike69 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus Any loud noise or startling occurrence MAY be a threatening predator, so we (i.e. animals) are geared to "put a face to natural phenomena". And end up putting a face on what ever what do not know or can not explain:
Hence Jesus, Satan, demons, God, angels, Bigfoot, etc. Belief in god is more proof of evolution.
mechanicmike69 3 months ago
@mechanicmike69 dude sasquatch is real. it has been real for a very long time. your assurance as you rest in ignorance is the only thing that you mentioned that is not real. You want me to give you videos for evidence that would convince anyone that is not hellbent on having their head up their asses, let me know.
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus <--- delusional fucking moron.
mechanicmike69 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus As humans become more sophisticated, these traits have fallen by the wayside. Except in religious fuckwits who remain in a primitive frozen state of bronze age concepts and ignorance.
mechanicmike69 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus Hard evidence mothafucka!!! Do you have it?!
rage1331 3 months ago
@rage1331 no. everyone's relationship with God is unique and individual. I do not know what kind of clear signs, if any, God gives you to let you know that He is watching and understands. I would venture to say that if you can't think of anything in your life that cannot be assigned to a statistically probable explanation, you aren't thinking hard enough.
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus Quite the opposite actually, I would say someone who tries to explain everything statistically and rationally thinks quite a bit.
rage1331 3 months ago
@rage1331 I was saying, "if you already look at everything in a rational manner, what events if any cannot use an explanation conforming with this rational framework."
Coincidental meetings with people, my tendency to sometimes be in situations that are just perfectly what I needed, distinct feelings that lead me in the correct direction, or a feeling like I am being tested and when I pass I am rewarded. These are what I see to be sure signs of God, a higher being with my concerns in mind.
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus I get what you're saying, but you said "I would venture to say that if you can't think of anything in your life that cannot be assigned to a statistically probable explanation, you aren't thinking hard enough." which to me does nt make any sense.
rage1331 3 months ago
@rage1331 like, a week ago I went out on a walk and happened to run into a person I was hoping to have a relationship with. I didn't intend to do that, and if I were to rely on my better senses there is a very minute chance that I would have crossed her path at the exact moment she was there, while she was walking a perpendicular direction.
Either this doesn't happen to atheists or they are ignorant of God's blessing, or I am completely paranoid schizophrenic, or someone above is guiding me.
kowalityjesus 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus You should look into brain sciences, there's alot of evidence about our brain waves, positive thinking, and how we can subconsciously effect our thinking or paths we take.
rage1331 3 months ago
@kowalityjesus i understand you were probably raised in a very religion based, probably superstitious family, but you can't support a divine claim on meeting someone at a certain place at a certain time. the odds are against you. if god has a plan for us all, or a path we must follow, then why would he consciously let horrible things happen to thousands of people. and do you think he would want his followers being so vain they use there faith to wish for monetary or personal gain?
daver72420 2 months ago
@daver72420 The intricacy of the relationship each of us has with God transcends our ability to comprehend. That is why the Catholics call it "the mystery of faith," because only God knows what his aims are and how he will obtain them, but we get signs.
It is our duty as human creations to try as hard as we can to live as He created us to (that's why He sent Jesus). Also, your hunch was off. I am in the process of inculcation into Catholicism after being raised quite secularly.
kowalityjesus 2 months ago
@kowalityjesus if each persons relationship with god transcends an ability of comprehension than why would you subject yourself to mass religion? wouldn't he want you to have your own spiritual experience, instead of going to what is now the biggest corporation in the world? I believe that the greatest thing you can do with your time on this earth isn't to devote yourself to appeasing god, but to live life like its the only one you have, treat everyone with love and understanding, instead of...
daver72420 2 months ago
@daver72420 the reason why it the bible is allegorical and sometimes vague is because if God told us WHY we were really created and the full truth of what surrounds us, we would be scared and distracted out of our minds. God wants us to go about our business, but He doesn't want us to hate each other and He doesn't want us to abuse our bodies and other beings. Those are the primary tenements of Christianity.
The Church is there to educate and build a community so that these...
kowalityjesus 2 months ago
@kowalityjesus this is my last argument, because i could see this going on forever. why would god create us incapable of comprehending our roles? or why would he create us with things like fear and hate. if he truly is omnipotent than why would he create so many contradictions flaws and gaps. have you ever considered that religion might be the devils work. what would be the easiest way to condemn people? to make them feel they are doing gods work. my biggest argument though is the period known
daver72420 2 months ago
@daver72420 can proliferate. As I said, I was not raised Christian. I came to the church because it was obvious that God was giving me signs and I wanted to consult with some people who are in the business of showing people how God wants them to live and how God likes to be worshiped and appreciated (btw it's not so much "how God wants us to live" as it is "how we really would want to live if we understood our best interests and not the Devil's"). Fear of God is a wise thing to own.
kowalityjesus 2 months ago
@kowalityjesus as the christian dark ages. it was no doubt the darkest time in the last 1000 years, and all due to holy wars, killing in the name of the lord. why would he create religion if he knew this would be the outcome, because afterall, he is all knowing.
daver72420 2 months ago
@daver72420 I forgive you for talking nonsense, for you know not what you do. May the light of Christ come into your heart.
There are libraries of books written about these "why"s and I have neither the mental capacity nor the text space to respond to them. I am glad that you acknowledge the REALITY of the work of the Devil, and would like to thank you for not being openly disrespectful. Talk to a priest; the Catholics have filled in A LOT of the holes in Man's knowledge of God.:)
kowalityjesus 2 months ago
@kowalityjesus Filled in holes? Catholic priests? Call the police.
zivkovicable 2 months ago
@daver72420 - There you are. The person of interest, I have been waiting for this... chiming in on a random post. The clarification of the biggest questions on Earth and beyond. Ask me anything and I will guide you to the One you doubt. I am his prophet, touched by angels and able to reduce the loud flurry of irrational thought to a calm swell of discernment. I have challenged the Most High and have been given light.
Christ's plan was altered and his mission was cut shor
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@daver72420 - To understand God one must walk in His shoes...this is easy - Originally, there was a Garden... but a sneaky snake ruined that. This resulted in anarchy throughout the world and enacted the reactive plan of the Messiah.
Next the Messiah was rejected by His people, which resulted in the Christian movement and sneaky snakes made religion of it.
So He did NOT PLAN any of this. And He refuses to force His hand on you because He knows all He has to do is RETURN and prove it.
TheLaunchingPad 2 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad You believe in talking snakes? Enough said.
ninjamojo711 2 months ago