Superman strengths never increases thats only if he's weaken and gets hit by the sun and he gets the same amount of strength that he had before you guys are crazy the speed of goku has always been faster than his.
jejeje, Ok, English is not my native language,actually i am in this discusion to pratice my english, I never argue with Gt Goku, in fact i hate it, Superman and Goku are faster than light, Superman and Goku are powerful, Superman has the advantage that is a comic that going to run forever, Dragonball is finish and if Fox not do the movie(They bought the copyrights) the people is going to forget about it.
I dont denie that superman flight faster that the speed of light, Superman prime show that, also when he race Flash, my point is that Goku also moves at that speed, not when he flights, at least he didnt show that, but when he figths.(when he turns the gravity machine off, inside the space ship he trough a piece of metal and cacht it in that little space, without Kaio ken )
and if the speed of Goku is like that, his mass also increase due this speed, so he is in the same terms with superman. Plus every Saiyan transformation is a increase of mass, speed and strengt
Superman increases strength also so when he expends solar enegry reserves in his body that increase his strength. Thing is supes travels FASTER than the speed of light. He has moved so fast that he accidentally broke through the barriers of time and space.
my point was from the begining that Goku has the same speed as superman, due the gravity training, gravity speed and time relate but it would take me like ten post to explain Einsten theory. Butha said in the English manga that he is faster than light, in the Japanese original he just said he is the faster, the beam from freeza´s finger was a speed of light, it shows when he atack Piccolo with millions of them, and Goku dodge it.
Does it say the beam from freeza's finger was the speed of light though because Krillin was able to dodge some attacks and he cant move at the speed of light.
and that mean that his mass increase also at the same rate of his speed, but is not like Goku flight at speed of light, but in short distance and in fight he moves at that speed or more, if child Goku dodge bullets means he was then faster than speed of sound, so to me he is in same terms with superman in speed and mass increase due speed. (hope i made sense, i like this debate)
Yes i know mass increases towards infinity once you reach the speed but that isnt because of gravity, thats because of velocity and the increase in force of an object. For example in space there is little gravity but objects will increase in mass as they move through space at an increasing speed, it's not gravity at all.
Ok,we are debating,science is more complex that fiction,like you said in other thread that superman escape a black hole when in reality not even light can escape it.Returning to fiction if Goku adapt his body to superior gravity, for him we move like the matrix, in slow motion, in the battle against Gyniu force, Butha said:"How do you get behind me? i am the faster in the Universe, i am faster than light" Goku: " know you are the 2nd". meaning Freeza move faster than light.
No Butta Fancies himself the fastest in the universe, but it's never been proven that he moves at the speed of light. If he did move at the speed of light then the fight would have been over much sooner.
Albert Einstein theorized that time and gravity are a close link. He also said if you travel at the speed of light your body will age slower than people that are not. If you travel at the speed of light for 10 years, came back to earth, you'll be 10,000 years into the future (or something like that).
Goku is able to adapt to lets say 450 times gravity. To him, normal now is 450 times gravity. Everything in the normal gravity world just seems slow when he's charged up. Sure, there are other ways of become ungodly powerful in DBZ without gravity training, but this is concrete evidence. Goku in which now mastered time a gravity himself because earth's gravity is no longer an obstacle.
What are you talking about, just because you can adapt to a specific amount of force does not mean you have Masterd time and gravity, it means that he is more resistant to a change in it. The gravity training is supposed to build up muscle mass since your increasing the weight of objects you also increasing your speed but thats it, you cant control gravity or time.
Well, if you see in the manga and more clear, when Goku or other characters, charge, the earth crack and big rocks coming out from the floor until he is finish, yeah, is not that he control the Earth gravity, its like he become the gravity.
No thats the energy their dispersing when they power up it's not gravity the energy is pushing the earth away from them their not controlling gravity, there is no point to increasing the gravity around them. and Seriously when in battle have they ever used gravity based attacks.
i dont denie that Sups is Powerful,but so is Goku, he can control the gravity around him,that is why the earth shake when he is powering up,and the explanation of his huge increase of power in short time is evolution and adaptation,Toriyama is smart. Kripton is said that have hight gravity, superman was a baby for adaptation, and at most could be 10 times G, same as the saiyan planet. imaging us in 2 times g, i am 80 kilos, i would be 160, imposible to move. :) feel free to debate me
I never said Goku isn't powerful, but how exactly does he control the gravity around him? he isnt controling gravity to make the earth shake it's the energy he is releasing, their minor shockwaves but it isnt gravity control. the depressions they get from the powering up is the energy pushing against the earth, not actual manipulation of gravity.
Goku meet Bulma, look for the dragon balls, Goku turns Oozaru, He meet and train with Kame senin, fight the stronger under the heavens, fight the Red Ribbon Army, Fight Dracula,Mummy,Demons,his dead Grandfather,2nd tournament,Demon kingPiccolo,training with the Guardian of earth fighting Piccolo, 3er tournament finally he is the strongest being in Earth,copyrights violation,somebody call DC, Toriyama to Jail :Þ lol
Goku is only the strongest in the DB universe ONLY not outside the confines. Superman has again for the uptinth time Beaten Gods for christ sakes. and Superman pushed the earth out of orbit when a meteor threatened to hit, thats far more weight than anything Goku has ever lifted. and supes has pushed planets around the same size across galaxies in a matter of weeks which means he's traveling at light speed pushing an incredible amount of weight.
I did this before but I will do it again:It says in Wikipedia that SSJ1 is X50 normal goku, as SSJ 2 is 50 times SSJ 1(transcending)that is 2000 tons, then SSj3 is 50 times SSj2 is 100000 tons, He can Box and move at superspeed with this weight. The other explanation Vegeta train daily in 450G, if he weights 70 kilos, his body moves at superspeed at 31500 tons at his normal, Vegeta SSJ 2 is 50*50 31500 tons, Goku is 50*50*50.
But who set the standard it's never been said in the show, for all we know it could be made on a basis.Havent your teachers ever told you wikipedia isn't a viable resource because people can come up and change it whenever they want. Has Toriyama officially come out saying a transformation of SSJ1 increases the power by set amount, no these are estimates made by fans not by the DBZ universe.
Ja,Ok, forget wikipedia, lets go with manga facts, in the beginning of Dragon ball Goku run 8,5 seconds in 100 meters, before training with Roshi, if he keep that speed(you know that he progres) until he train in 100 G, so this gravity become his normal, then in normal Earth Gravity that would be 0.086 fraccion of second in 100 meters, same with his strengh, something og 100 kilos is equivalent to 1 kilo
you know that those numbers are only an example, Goku in DB allready is invisible in front of Human eyes before training in 100g, you see, same with his strengh, not other comic or manga have comparison, i mean if Goku adapt his 70 kilos to 100 g, thats mean in Earth G he is like 0,7 grams, and if he move a bulder of let say 1 ton in front of Roshi, then for him this ton would be 10 kilos, notice this is DB and beggining DBZ, Vegeta train in 450 G, Goku is allways to levels ahead of him
Actually Goku's Origin is a combination of both Superman and Journey to the west. Superman is no less than a 100 ton lifter so i dont see how 40 tons makes any difference.
There is no interview or any statement from Bird studios/Toriyama when he mention that he uses Superman for inspiration,thought they have similitudes in DBZ. I can lift 120 kilos, but put 30 kilos in my arms and legs and i can barely move, Goku was boxing and kicking at superspeed when he was Training, and it was not his strongest transformation.
When goku, can push a planet across a galaxy in the span of a week, then we'll talk about power. And if Toriyama really just made that origin off the top of his head without it as a homage, then Siegel and Shuster have the rights to sue, because the basis to Superman's origin to is very similar.
if they want to see a fight of broly vs it ties of the justice they put in their searching broly vs superman there is parte1,2,3 it lets him to be loaded well so that they enjoy it better
Goku origins is from Chinesse mitology as a son of a god,he train all kind of martial arts,DbZ as his creator wanted, Should had ended when he beat freza,the manga was so popular, that he continuos the saga,Goku was training with 2tons in each one of his arm and legs,in his normal stage, and 40 tons as a SSJ 1, and Finish the saga training with the reencarnation of boo (Toriyama didnt wroted GT)
Superman strengths never increases thats only if he's weaken and gets hit by the sun and he gets the same amount of strength that he had before you guys are crazy the speed of goku has always been faster than his.
XBoxLiveissoboring 4 years ago
goku would own superman, cuz superman is weck and sorry.
ninjagaidenx7 4 years ago
how can make every one happy hmm.. Goku rules superman sucks balls and hulk is green shit!
stingdash055 4 years ago
different i admit but certinely entertaining.
vega3000 4 years ago
Superman source is the Sun and Goku´s is evolution, so Superman has an advantage there.
ykkifenix 4 years ago
jejeje, Ok, English is not my native language,actually i am in this discusion to pratice my english, I never argue with Gt Goku, in fact i hate it, Superman and Goku are faster than light, Superman and Goku are powerful, Superman has the advantage that is a comic that going to run forever, Dragonball is finish and if Fox not do the movie(They bought the copyrights) the people is going to forget about it.
ykkifenix 4 years ago
I dont denie that superman flight faster that the speed of light, Superman prime show that, also when he race Flash, my point is that Goku also moves at that speed, not when he flights, at least he didnt show that, but when he figths.(when he turns the gravity machine off, inside the space ship he trough a piece of metal and cacht it in that little space, without Kaio ken )
ykkifenix 4 years ago
Wait what, your a little convoluted in your explanation I can't understand.
Wolv150 4 years ago
Kuririn didnt dodge any Freeza atack, it was way over his league, not Vegeta either, that beam is a Ray, same like the heat vision from superman
ykkifenix 4 years ago
and if the speed of Goku is like that, his mass also increase due this speed, so he is in the same terms with superman. Plus every Saiyan transformation is a increase of mass, speed and strengt
ykkifenix 4 years ago
Superman increases strength also so when he expends solar enegry reserves in his body that increase his strength. Thing is supes travels FASTER than the speed of light. He has moved so fast that he accidentally broke through the barriers of time and space.
Wolv150 4 years ago
He had trouble holding up a building during his fight with Bebi and that was ssj4
Wolv150 4 years ago
my point was from the begining that Goku has the same speed as superman, due the gravity training, gravity speed and time relate but it would take me like ten post to explain Einsten theory. Butha said in the English manga that he is faster than light, in the Japanese original he just said he is the faster, the beam from freeza´s finger was a speed of light, it shows when he atack Piccolo with millions of them, and Goku dodge it.
ykkifenix 4 years ago
Does it say the beam from freeza's finger was the speed of light though because Krillin was able to dodge some attacks and he cant move at the speed of light.
Wolv150 4 years ago
and that mean that his mass increase also at the same rate of his speed, but is not like Goku flight at speed of light, but in short distance and in fight he moves at that speed or more, if child Goku dodge bullets means he was then faster than speed of sound, so to me he is in same terms with superman in speed and mass increase due speed. (hope i made sense, i like this debate)
ykkifenix 4 years ago
Yes i know mass increases towards infinity once you reach the speed but that isnt because of gravity, thats because of velocity and the increase in force of an object. For example in space there is little gravity but objects will increase in mass as they move through space at an increasing speed, it's not gravity at all.
Wolv150 4 years ago
Ok,we are debating,science is more complex that fiction,like you said in other thread that superman escape a black hole when in reality not even light can escape it.Returning to fiction if Goku adapt his body to superior gravity, for him we move like the matrix, in slow motion, in the battle against Gyniu force, Butha said:"How do you get behind me? i am the faster in the Universe, i am faster than light" Goku: " know you are the 2nd". meaning Freeza move faster than light.
ykkifenix 4 years ago
No Butta Fancies himself the fastest in the universe, but it's never been proven that he moves at the speed of light. If he did move at the speed of light then the fight would have been over much sooner.
Wolv150 4 years ago
Albert Einstein theorized that time and gravity are a close link. He also said if you travel at the speed of light your body will age slower than people that are not. If you travel at the speed of light for 10 years, came back to earth, you'll be 10,000 years into the future (or something like that).
ykkifenix 4 years ago
Thats not Gravity thats time and speed.
Wolv150 4 years ago
Goku is able to adapt to lets say 450 times gravity. To him, normal now is 450 times gravity. Everything in the normal gravity world just seems slow when he's charged up. Sure, there are other ways of become ungodly powerful in DBZ without gravity training, but this is concrete evidence. Goku in which now mastered time a gravity himself because earth's gravity is no longer an obstacle.
ykkifenix 4 years ago
What are you talking about, just because you can adapt to a specific amount of force does not mean you have Masterd time and gravity, it means that he is more resistant to a change in it. The gravity training is supposed to build up muscle mass since your increasing the weight of objects you also increasing your speed but thats it, you cant control gravity or time.
Wolv150 4 years ago
Well, if you see in the manga and more clear, when Goku or other characters, charge, the earth crack and big rocks coming out from the floor until he is finish, yeah, is not that he control the Earth gravity, its like he become the gravity.
ykkifenix 4 years ago
No thats the energy their dispersing when they power up it's not gravity the energy is pushing the earth away from them their not controlling gravity, there is no point to increasing the gravity around them. and Seriously when in battle have they ever used gravity based attacks.
Wolv150 4 years ago
i dont denie that Sups is Powerful,but so is Goku, he can control the gravity around him,that is why the earth shake when he is powering up,and the explanation of his huge increase of power in short time is evolution and adaptation,Toriyama is smart. Kripton is said that have hight gravity, superman was a baby for adaptation, and at most could be 10 times G, same as the saiyan planet. imaging us in 2 times g, i am 80 kilos, i would be 160, imposible to move. :) feel free to debate me
ykkifenix 4 years ago
I never said Goku isn't powerful, but how exactly does he control the gravity around him? he isnt controling gravity to make the earth shake it's the energy he is releasing, their minor shockwaves but it isnt gravity control. the depressions they get from the powering up is the energy pushing against the earth, not actual manipulation of gravity.
Wolv150 4 years ago
Goku meet Bulma, look for the dragon balls, Goku turns Oozaru, He meet and train with Kame senin, fight the stronger under the heavens, fight the Red Ribbon Army, Fight Dracula,Mummy,Demons,his dead Grandfather,2nd tournament,Demon kingPiccolo,training with the Guardian of earth fighting Piccolo, 3er tournament finally he is the strongest being in Earth,copyrights violation,somebody call DC, Toriyama to Jail :Þ lol
ykkifenix 4 years ago
Goku is only the strongest in the DB universe ONLY not outside the confines. Superman has again for the uptinth time Beaten Gods for christ sakes. and Superman pushed the earth out of orbit when a meteor threatened to hit, thats far more weight than anything Goku has ever lifted. and supes has pushed planets around the same size across galaxies in a matter of weeks which means he's traveling at light speed pushing an incredible amount of weight.
Wolv150 4 years ago
I did this before but I will do it again:It says in Wikipedia that SSJ1 is X50 normal goku, as SSJ 2 is 50 times SSJ 1(transcending)that is 2000 tons, then SSj3 is 50 times SSj2 is 100000 tons, He can Box and move at superspeed with this weight. The other explanation Vegeta train daily in 450G, if he weights 70 kilos, his body moves at superspeed at 31500 tons at his normal, Vegeta SSJ 2 is 50*50 31500 tons, Goku is 50*50*50.
ykkifenix 4 years ago
But who set the standard it's never been said in the show, for all we know it could be made on a basis.Havent your teachers ever told you wikipedia isn't a viable resource because people can come up and change it whenever they want. Has Toriyama officially come out saying a transformation of SSJ1 increases the power by set amount, no these are estimates made by fans not by the DBZ universe.
Wolv150 4 years ago
Ja,Ok, forget wikipedia, lets go with manga facts, in the beginning of Dragon ball Goku run 8,5 seconds in 100 meters, before training with Roshi, if he keep that speed(you know that he progres) until he train in 100 G, so this gravity become his normal, then in normal Earth Gravity that would be 0.086 fraccion of second in 100 meters, same with his strengh, something og 100 kilos is equivalent to 1 kilo
ykkifenix 4 years ago
you know that those numbers are only an example, Goku in DB allready is invisible in front of Human eyes before training in 100g, you see, same with his strengh, not other comic or manga have comparison, i mean if Goku adapt his 70 kilos to 100 g, thats mean in Earth G he is like 0,7 grams, and if he move a bulder of let say 1 ton in front of Roshi, then for him this ton would be 10 kilos, notice this is DB and beggining DBZ, Vegeta train in 450 G, Goku is allways to levels ahead of him
ykkifenix 4 years ago
Actually Goku's Origin is a combination of both Superman and Journey to the west. Superman is no less than a 100 ton lifter so i dont see how 40 tons makes any difference.
Wolv150 4 years ago
There is no interview or any statement from Bird studios/Toriyama when he mention that he uses Superman for inspiration,thought they have similitudes in DBZ. I can lift 120 kilos, but put 30 kilos in my arms and legs and i can barely move, Goku was boxing and kicking at superspeed when he was Training, and it was not his strongest transformation.
ykkifenix 4 years ago
When goku, can push a planet across a galaxy in the span of a week, then we'll talk about power. And if Toriyama really just made that origin off the top of his head without it as a homage, then Siegel and Shuster have the rights to sue, because the basis to Superman's origin to is very similar.
Wolv150 4 years ago
if they want to see a fight of broly vs it ties of the justice they put in their searching broly vs superman there is parte1,2,3 it lets him to be loaded well so that they enjoy it better
giAjoe23 5 years ago
Your comment on Goku's origin is wrong,learn the difference between origin and inspiration.
Vortex997 5 years ago
Your comment on Goku's origin is wrong,learn the difference between origin and inspiration.
Vortex997 5 years ago
goku was already stated to be stronger though.
supermegalegends 5 years ago
wtf
1. that was messed up
2. it was totally gay i dont know why i watched that
3. where did the hulk come from?
heat582 5 years ago
Goku origins is from Chinesse mitology as a son of a god,he train all kind of martial arts,DbZ as his creator wanted, Should had ended when he beat freza,the manga was so popular, that he continuos the saga,Goku was training with 2tons in each one of his arm and legs,in his normal stage, and 40 tons as a SSJ 1, and Finish the saga training with the reencarnation of boo (Toriyama didnt wroted GT)
ykkifenix 5 years ago
It's kinda cute. Although Goku seems to be keep kicking Superman's privates... cheater.
teoteous 5 years ago
no ive always loved superman hes just so cool
cybersaur 5 years ago
do i really? hulk can't crush superman but as for goku... infact im sick of goku
cybersaur 5 years ago
my comment only video is stupid XD
INDEXTWK 5 years ago
well hulk can obviously crush goku but superman.... no way
cybersaur 5 years ago
wtf?!
ultemed15red 5 years ago
nani?!?!
cool
chiissu 5 years ago
That was cool
lungyao2 5 years ago