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And the problem is people tend to focus on a little bit of evil, and ignore the myriads of good that is far far more, and they just take it for granted since they are used to it.
They ask why is this child sick? And forget the thousands of healthy children. They wonder why they have a problem, and forget their wealth, health, family, and countless blessings.
And even the evil, is there for a reason, and can turn to a great good for those who pass the test.
God knows the outcome because He is outside of time. But he did not force you, the key is in the free will you casually dismissed - which makes no sense for an agnostic, since we are just the product of our genes for you.
And of course it has to be challenging. What is the point of a test that has no challenge, that everyone passes effortlessly? What is the point of giving a first grade test to a bunch of college students?
You are being tested on patience, good deeds, trust in God.
Your commence sounds like you have seen some other video and replied here.
Come on man, start thinking out side the box. Look at Islam and other religions like a person looking for the truth based on facts, and not based what you were conditioned. (By the way you were trained to think by your family and society you lived among.)
@xMaafiax You should read his history and look into what he did for a living. I think then you'll take back your words about him knowing nothing about Islam.
He was a devout Muslim for many years, but he has finally discovered the truth. Perhaps you should wake up and realize that there is no thing as the "devil".
A warning on the graphic images would have been nice....that photo of the child in the dirt will haunt me now....as a mother I am horrified that you'd use this as an example to prove whatever point you tried to make.
"If God is the super powerful force that engenders things to exist, then God is the crux of existence itself, not a spatial being. That will always the central theme of all pursuits." Sounds like the lyrics from one of your heavy metal favourites. A marriage of Islamic mysticism heavy metal and physics. Could be Spinal Tap. I remain unconvinced. other lyrics; " Who you jivin with that cosmic debris"..
to DiscussIslam: Interesting Piece and of course an Appeal to Emotion; which isn't in itself bad, but when you ask a question of "what is being tested?" you answered your own question with all your examples; our honesty to ourselves to maintain what's under our responsibility regardless of the circumstances.
May as well appeal to the emotions since there is no intellectual engagement possible in Islam. Islam is a system of belief not truth. Truth and belief are different things. Truth is based on empirical evidence whereas belief rests on simple faith and denies reason and intellect. Faith appeals to the emotions; the heart is tricked into accepting faith as truth and the intellect or 'reason' is disengaged. Faith is an illness. Islam the darkest illness of them all. Its a 'test' for the irrational
some extent, everything is determined on some degree of empiricism, but even in the most rigorous levels of empiricism, the use of axioms demonstrates that even there not everything we know as true can be "observably proven". Which means not all aspect of Truth is proveable.
Even the use of your terms "darkest" , what empirical evidence do you have for that? Have scientists shown visible spectrum of radiation for Islam ? Your own words recognize truth is not purely empirical
which empirical effects? can you demonstrate empirically how you can determine something as "dark" under strict scientific standards, like which radiation spectrum it falls under?
"bronze age" you sound like you're quoting a Samuel Huntington speech, come up with your own ideas
So you don't do metaphor then? It seems like most muslims you can't bear any criticism of the darkest of all religions. The pedant in you can dance away all day with the spectrum. Everybody reading this understands. I don't care whether Bronze age as a chronological reference is a cliche. Its useful for placing the darkest religion in the dark period from when it was invented. Why don't YOU come up with your own religion. If Mo can do it why can't you?
I do do metaphors, but metaphor aren't strictly empirical are they?
You can criticize, propaganda is not a critique, it's merely
when you use phrases like "darkest" it's like you're telling boogey man stories,
yes bronze age is a cliche but that's not the problem, it's also a variation of Appeal to Novelty and Disappeal to Antiquity, both forms of what's called LOGICAL FALLACIES.
"it is useful", so right there you admit this is merely a RHETORICAL tactic, for propagandizing
You mean boogey man stories like burning in hell for not praising the all merciful alter ego of the lunatic Mohammed? Islam is full of non sequiters. How about religion of peace, just for one?
Islam is truly the most balanced universal religion, free of petty human impulses or distortions, I doubt anyone except Muhammad has in my eyes demonstrated that . As long as I find those characteristics within Islam, I will be a Muslim
Unless you can "prove", empirically that none of my opinions about Islam are valid.
That would require a great deal more than silly appeals like "Darkest" and "Bronze Age" though, Since I can see past that stuff
And the gullible are easily fooled. You may indeed feel Islam is all the things you say. Unfortunately there are lots of other self proclaimed experts upon Islam and Islam is not what Islam says, Islam is as Islam does, and everybody knows what Islam does. It hasn't changed since the murdering raping child molesting thieving thug of a charismatic epileptic psychopath invented it. Surely you can do better why don't you invent one? Can it be that difficult. Lets all bend over to your version.
This is all inflammatory rhetoric lacking any credibility behind them, even the alleged "epilepsy" does not meet the standard criteria associated with it. Which makes all of this merely another futile attempt at propaganda.
From what I understand about the balances of existence/the universe etc. Islam seems to match those completely; so unless you can show me something that does that while Islam doesn't, then there's nothing "better"; My answer still arrives at Islam
Well, happy for you. Why don't your turn your critical faculties upon Islam itself and if you can be detached and objective enough you may discover more than you know now. This guy did
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You may find researching epilepsy and religious experience interesting. I can't see none but a psycho lopping off six hundred or more heads -as for Islam and the balance of the universe, pure rhetoric. Seems you prefer rhetoric to science. Back to gullibility
I don't think you've been reading a word I've said; The reason I am Muslim is because of my critical values; I went examining what appears to meet certain criteria which reflects the things I observe are true about existence, particularly human ones, even if I weren't Muslim, I'd still retain most of the aspects of Islam individuals like you are afraid of anyways, because part of the reason I was drawn to Islam is because I find most aspects of contemporary society as incorrect
I really don't care what your critical values suggest to you. Catholics Buddhists Hindus, all make the grade for 'certain' criteria as far as certain human experience is concerned. So which aspects of contemporary society do you find incorrect and what do you think I'm afraid of. Is this where we go down the morality road? PS as matter of interest, looking at your channel you seem to enjoy lots of aspects of contemporary entertainment. Lastly do you really accept the koran is the word of a god?
However, Im not trying to sway you to be Muslim, youre trying to sway me not to be. What those religions say are irrelevant, but based on my readings, they certainly dont say that. Morality is not merely an idea, but the fruit of our natural evolution, making much of contemporary society against our natural drives, which makes them just self destructive artificial pacifiers. Yes I do believe the Quran is the word of God, it reflects what I found in my own search
Well we seem to be making progress in that you agree morality has evolved from from group living. Can you not also see other basic notions that the threat, say of hell, for not returning the adulation Mo's alter ego demands, along with the similar threat of enforced good behaviour is nothing other than an extension of a parent's threat to a naughty child. Mohammed was abandoned. He craved love, demanded it. (Are you a direct fan of Lovecraft or is it only by proxy of Shub Niggurath)
See I thought about that, and I don't really see the difference because things in nature have "checks and balances"; and if there's another dimension to existence than just a material aspect, then hell/heaven seems to be a manifestation of this order of checks and balances; seems logically compatible with that understanding, And you're actually factually incorrect, He's from a tribal society, therefore your psychological profile took shape n the Post Industrial era, and wouldnt really apply
Checks and balances? Nature doesn't have Checks and balances- nature just is. You are anthropomorphising. Just because quantum physics, at present, seems to suggest other dimensions it doesn't mean there are any-
non material or otherwise. Wouldn't apply? If Islam is good for all time psychology is too even if only theorized. Theory being a tool. Lunatics are timeless too. We're all tribal to an extent. Mohammed used a great deal of psychology to prosper, delude and gain power.
Not so, the four fundamental forces are checks and balances, and the forces derived from that is also. That's why we find the attributes of matter consistent through out matter; nowhere in the universe does gravity cause objects to move away from each other, neither does nuclear reactions cause things to become cold. So it isn't "just is" there are functions, and from functions checks and balances. Thought is non-material, , even most of "matter" is non-material, it only "appears" material
You may want to blend the empty space in the illusion of matter into your mystical beliefs. I really don't care. Believers will always attempt to insert their god into as yet unclear areas of science. Whatever turns up in the the search for truth in the endeavour for knowledge and understanding, the religious mindset will always be ready to insert its holy father in the sky into the equations somewhere or other. And your allah is in charge of these checks and balances? Its such a joke. Goodbye
There's no conflict with the search for cosmic knowledge and spiritual knowledge, they're really one in the same. The concept of "empty" spaces was only to show that Matter is not the sum total of existence; And God is not in any placement, sky or otherwise, If God is the super powerful force that engenders things to exist, then God is the crux of existence itself, not a spatial being. That will always the central theme of all pursuits,
...And you really believe the koran came from a god. Its astounding. A bang on the empty spaces in the head with a hammer, also mostly empty space itself will still hurt. It almost been fun.
Muhammad did use psychology, but if it was aimed for personal exploitation, he could have chosen many other options. The Pagan Meccans offered to make him king, and give him abundance of wealth, and women, more so than just 12. If he worked with them. But really reflective of any of those alleged accusations; We're not using the Abstract meaning of Tribal, but the Anthropological meaning, and in that sense the whole idea of "abandonment" wouldnt apply,
Mohammed was mad. He wasn't going to be content with being a mere king. He wanted to be perceived to be a messenger of god. Much more kudos than simple tribal royalty. He always referred to 'allah and his messenger' emphasising the company he kept, such was his divine madness and ability for con tricks.
Not having a mother is not having a mother. No dancing with the word 'tribal' compensates for being abandoned, rejected, ignored or turned away by your mother. No wonder he demanded attention
A "mere" King, if that's the case, he wouldn't have chosen a simple lifestyle for himself. I mean if he couldn't handle being a "mere" king then that wouldn't suffice. Just for the luxury of being called "Messenger of God", wouldn't make much unless it was facilitated with personal luxuries as well. So even here the presentation is inaccurate and inconsistent with his character. Tribal cultures are communal, therefore the concept of abandonment doesn't exist. You're grasping for straws
You have no more idea about Mo's character than anyone else. How could you know? Don't say the Koran, the Hadith. Both are unverifiable. Luxuries are irrelevant. It's likely he was irrational. (6oo beheadings possessed by Jinn, the satanic epoisodes ) Tribal cultures are indeed communal - just as well if a child is rejected by its mother and left to be nurtured by the community. Don't care what you say. You don't have children and don't know. Grasping at straws? You have chosen the short one.
Well then other than the fact you have an outset bias against things which are not fully under the script of experimentally derived information; what is the basis for your critiques? You're determining it based on whatever amount of information you have referring to Muhammad(saw)'s life and you've added your own spin which comes from that notion to discredit the man anyways. The child rejection scenario in tribal societies hasn't been observed as here. You're basing it on your own acculturation
"balance of the universe" isn't "rhetoric,; that required a great deal of reading/studying science, as well as philosophy, sociology, for me to arrive at. where as you've just used false appeals and inflammatory statements.
As for Epilepsy so far, when I compare the trends of epilepsy, Muhammad's life doesn't relegate to them. Remember epilepsy is more than having a "seizure" or "trance"
ExMuslims site, nothing new, he's just rehashing old already debunked debates you can find on the web
What makes you think the universe is balanced ? the Koran? You live a life span of seconds relative to the age of the universe The balance you perceive is 'momentary' Descriptions of Mo when he 'was receiving a new directive' from his alter ego are classic symptoms. We won't even go into his fears of madness Jinns and the 'satanic bits' You hang onto your delusions, its not as though your on your own. Ex Muslims are gaining ground. One eye in the darks ages and the other in a computer screen?
the forces that engender the universe's properties is it's balance. the Quran correctly addresses that. the issue. the universe developed in way that iit supports our existence in it and allows for a range of scales. it's "relative" time span is irrelevant
The claim you makeis not a symptom of epilepsy, and 'alter ego" is merely an inflammatory statement, not a defacto one
Ex Muslims are just products of European colonialism indoctrinating an inferiority complex, they only gain self hatred
cont: in other words, all you're doing right now is merely propagandizing, raping and bastardizing the lofty rhetoric of empiricsm and rationality, for a pathetic attempt at emotional comfort because of your inability to handle the challenges that face you, in this case Islam and Muslims.
PS, have you grown a straggly beard, adopted 'Islamic' dress and stopped talking to your parents yet? Don't worry - you will. Why don't you smoke a little dope, go to a rave, take an E chill out and find a girl/boy friend? Well even if you can't find a girl/ boy friend with whom you can mutually express your sexuality in a healthy, hormonal, loving fashion, don't worry there's lots of sex it in Heaven. No rules up there. If you can wait. MAJNOON
PS FYI no I haven't. I dress like a normal person, I look into whatever I am told, and I am known by those around me to be a skeptical person. Don't for once assume that you actually know me or my lifestyle, for I find that rather rude.
Most 'relationships' in the State's usually end in a divorce. From what I've seen most love marriages don't last long, although it isn't impossible. How many partners does an average person have over there?
That makes sense , dont be muslim, just go do self destructive acts to keep yourself pacified
yes doing disassociative drugs is a very healthy way to express sexuality and love. Chemically Synthesized emotions, the mark of healthy people , I guess that's pretty healthy in the eyes of the dysfunctional
You are 22 years old you have studied a book you have been lead to believe is a miracle in itself. That it contains the word of a god, whatever a god is and was delivered by his 'messenger'. You are further led to believe that this book contains all their is to know and is full of miraculous proof of the miracle it claims itself to be. ----continued below:
Your insights are based on the crazed ramblings and stories of Mo's escapades written down years later. Escapades of a murdering raping child molesting thieving psychopathic thug? How do I know this? Because I have have read the same sources of his escapades as you. You seem to accept that because mad Mo says he was a prophet and spoke to an angel he is somehow part of a miraculous series of events. All I see is a manipulating self indulgent madman who conned almost everyone around him.
. And had those who weren't conned by him murdered. Islam has all the hallmarks of a cult. You can't even leave or you will be killed. Islam is riddled with rituals. Rituals for punishment, rituals verbal and physical, obsessed with sex and the fear and manipulation of women. Just because its a few hundred years old and has lots of followers don't imagine it is anything more than a cult for gullible obsessives who embrace it as a way of life, or have been force fed it since they left the womb
A cult? Yeah keep watching the ever so reliable CNN and tell me that. I possess more knowledge on the topic in one hand's length then you ever have. I have read his supposed 'criticisms' by many alike and most opinions of those who know little of the Prophet are synonymous with yours. Do some research.
ISMASHYOUBRO I think you should refer to some scientists who achieved far more than mad Mohammed ever could. Why not start with Charles Darwin. You are simply a deluded member of the CULT of Mohammed- a deranged epileptic psychopath whose alter ego Allah served his purposes perfectly. What is it like being a naive deluded believer in fairy tales
Ah someone who thought Muhammad was epileptic. Such assumptions clearly tell me you have no insight on the subject. An epileptic man who was additionally deranged could not have had the influence he has had. I am not really deluded you see. I optionally embraced Islam.
You imagine because you optionally embraced Islam you are not deluded?
I optionally embrace the flying spaghetti monster. Does that mean I am not deluded. The deluded are the last to know they are deluded. Its not as though you will disappointed when you die and don't get to heaven -since you will be dead and that's it. The flying spaghetti monster in his holy book which came through his prophet Ali Bolognese assures me there is only one life. Am I deluded because I optionally choose this?
You watch too much Dawkins, and have not really bothered in looking at the religion itself. Tell me one thing that will without a doubt convert me. I am open to revert from Islam. So far it hasn't happened. Not because I am deluded, rather the comments and criticisms I deal with such as yours are deluded. Please educate yourself you twit THEN come back and reply.
Have fun with your life and don't bother replying :)
You are simple naive deluded child in the youth of your delusions. You have a head full of the mystical hyperbolic ramblings of Hassanain Rajabali - and the avuncular 'wisdom' of a failed ex christian showbiz preacher . You'll be recomending videos by Dr. Naik next. Its hard to accept you are deluded, lost in faith and a cultist. All you so called knowledge about Islam is completely irrelevant since its all a sham, an invention, clearly you need that daddy in the sky.
Youth of my delusions? I embraced Islam on my own terms.
'It's hard to accept that you are deluded' Well excuse me sir. I thought it was easy for you to believe? Idiot you contradicted yourself.
You know nothing of Islam. Even if you did you would twist it to fit your own beliefs.
I prefer talking with agnostics rather than MOST atheists such as yourself. So full of arrogance, belittling 'creationists'. Atheists themselves are more ignorant than they could ever know.
You are also led to believe that this book is all you need to read. You have accepted all this and now you think you know a thing or two and are ready to take on the world. Hence your name: I SMASH YOU. Your'e just a kid full of shit. A deluded kid
Not exactly. Perhaps in close minded societies where Quran is the only book taught(Which I find rather ridiculous)
ISMASHYOUBRO was a pun on Super Smash Brother's Brawl a video game. I am a gamer, so I thought I would base the account on that. I don't see the problem in that now do I? Again making false and rather ridiculous assumptions.
Perhaps at heart I am a kid since I like to enjoy myself, but as far as I see it the shit is in you.
Well your on your own now kid, you can't expect me to guide you through the bullshit of religion for the rest of your life. And remember, Mohammed wasn't a prophet he was a very naughty boy. Never desert your scepticism and you may well see the light of reason one day. Happy days! Have a look at religious experience and epilepsy on youtube particularly VS RAMACHANDRAN. BYEE
You don't know the prophet. I am glad you are willing to leave this conversation because I, sure as hell don't intend on discussing such issues with someone who does nothing more than lay fraudulent assumptions on a religion.
So this insane god tests SOME of his 'created' people by making OTHER innocent people he 'created' whom they may love dearly, suffer or die. Why should other innocents have to die to 'TEST' someone else. Islam, the Koran, is complete nonsense for complete idiots. Absolute garbage. When will this insane religion disappear off the face of the earth. ISLAM is an insult to the universe. GOD? What kind of a god does this shit. The ISLAMIC god that's who. I would sooner die than submit to ISLAM....
How do you know what god is bound by and not bound by? How do you know god is controller of all things? How do yo know god is not a tyrant?
How do you know what god knows or doesn't know? You are nothing more than a pompous believer who thinks he knows the truth. When all you know is what you believe. Belief and truth are completely different things. One is based on empiricism and evidence. The other on simple naive faith. Faith doesn't even cure toothache. The pompous arrogance of believers !
You are very confused with the concept of free-will and pre-destination.
A Judge Knows that if a convict offends on his parole, he will go to prison. But whether the convict offends or not is his FREE-WILL, his bad actions are not the fault of the judge, he can only advise him and guide him to Good, and give him another chance if he wishes to avoid the punishment.
You base your opinions on your own views of morality as if you can question the way of life. Life itself is a trial and God or Allah knows it all. Sounds silly to you doesn't it?
Go see some debates regarding this. It's much more complicated than how you seem to view it. We are bringing God into a frame of reference.
First you have to look at how the food is taken away. How did Africa become so poverty-stricken? Was it God because he felt like it or was it what man has done? The British who looted them in the 19th century or perhaps before that?
Muhammad never looted anyone you fool. Do some more research please. Look at how he spent the last years of his life. He had the choice to be rich and live his life in wealth but he turned it all away. I suggest you do you your research properly.
The same can be said with all due respect to discussislam.
Yes the same unbiased sources that actually delve into Muhammad's personal life as well as books by non-biased non-Muslims who refute claims of his epilepsy, religious delusions and such.
You have embraced the rules and rituals of the cult of Mohammed because you believe you live a 'better' life that way and also because you accept the cult's myth of an afterlife. You have no idea about the true nature of mad MO as indeed you have no empirical truth of his status as a prophet. You have no empirical evidence of God yet in previous postings you tell us what god is bound by and not bound by etc You do not have any proof for your 'Knowledge' and this is why you are deluded..and lost.
Blah blah blah, how many times have I heard such garbage before? I've read many things regarding criticisms of Islam. They are pretty repetitive if I might say. Many people, muslim AND non muslims alike have refuted such claims.
Islam and the west. Ah, what an interesting subject it has become for me to discuss today.
The God that I have read about is omnipotent and omniscient. If he does exist, he has the power to feed the populace, and takes away to test, as we well know from this story, Surah 7:163-166. Africa became poverty stricken for a number of human and natural reasons, none of which have to do with God, as he doesn't exist-or doesn't interfere. Also, in response to below comment. Mohammed did incite battle and looting. This was normal behavior back then-and not confined to any one group.
the Angels asked to the limit of their knowledge: WHY WOULD YOU CREATE SOMETHING THAT WOULD CREATE CORRUPTION AND BLOODSHED ON EARTH?
God replied: I know that which you know not.
God knew man is capable of great evil, yet capable of great good.
Why create something that is bound to fail. that is a naive understanding of mankind. One of mankind's virtues is never giving up, if he fails, he still tries again and again until he succeeds.
life is a test, for people who are ready to act and who are not ready to act. the people who are in the wrong, are those who do nothing. and say. Why does the Scriptures say, life is a test. WHY DOES GOD SAY LIFE IS A TEST.
the last verse you mention was, He who created death and life to test which of you is best in action
you showed a picture of a child starving in africa. perhaps that verse would point to the need for people to take ''action'' and do what is right, like helping supply food.
in cases you showed pictures of dead children, which was perhaps due to a bomb, shootings and what not.
this stands as a example, that indeed we need to stop conflict, and bloodshed. we need to take action.
Yes it is always funny how people blame God for making the condition of the child so. Yes God is controller of all things but you learn(if you have ever actually learned the concept of Islam) that you must make an effort to make a better living and make things better. Just sitting on the floor with your hands together asking Allah for everything with no price is simply Absurd. The faith and love of Allah comes with an effort. God is not a tyrant or fool like many atheists seem to view.
Life is a test for human to know that god is the most greatest most merciful and doesn't want people to worship him ..... He want them to help each other not fight on some human made Books ........ ( this is only my opinion )
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You are wrong, discussislam.
Of course God (Allah swt) knows if his creature will fail or pass His tests...you seem to me to have failed so far...
But be sure, no matter how hard you try, you won't be able to harm Islam or Allah in a single point. You delude people without knowledge and you will bear a heavy weight on Judgement Day... See Sura 16 verses 24-25. You won't be able to understand because Allah (swt) does not guide people who mislead without knowledge (16:37),and you have NO knowledge
Yea, very professional with your ad homenim attacks. If God already knows who will pass or fail the test before we even existed, what is the point then?
THIS is THE central question which is answered in Islam. THIS is why so many people discover this last and only true religion that leads people to the One and Only God. Islam offers ANSWERS. It not just tells people what to believe (Like in all other religions, atheism excluded). Do you really want to know??
Take it one step further. If Allah doesn't tell people what to believe/guide them then why set up a punishment (death followed by torture) for those who don't believe in the "One and Only God".
I never quite thought about life as a test this way. The only reason god would test us is if he DIDN'T know something about us. It's not a test if he already knows the outcome. We were created sick and commanded to be well!
There is no biggest pain from that to lose own child. Before two years the little son of a family friends died in crash. Only what helped the woman not to lose her mind was that she gave birth to another child... Very sad video, but true
i hope theres no heaven or hell i want to RELIVE again as something new.A after life where your spirit goes into another and once you die you live again.That would be AWSOME,but we wouldnt know it.
A real simple fool you are. Deserving of your innocent ignorant simple minded all consuming ridiculous naive feeble brained inhumane limited uncharitable dim witted religious stupidity.
1. Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him) to these Mushrikun and Kafirun): "O Al-Kafirun (disbelievers in Allah, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar, etc.)!
2. "I worship not that which you worship,
3. "Nor will you worship that which I worship.
4. "And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping.
What you do not know is that the first religion was created to enslave the population and to be used as a form of law by the egyptions. This form of technology was passed on to the greeks whom which sold it to the romans. about 1000 years later these people realized the power and wealth this might bring and they created a mighty religion (Christianity) They could take over the world with this religion (Crusades) 500 years after came islam. Your wasting your life kid.
And also religion is still being used today to make money and take over land. In the past millions were killed over religion, Look at the crusades if israel, The halocaust, The current wars going on today. Not to mention religion is considered a buisness and brings in the most revenue of all industrys from donations and what not. Explain why some of the worlds richest people own 100's of churchs.
Why not ask the question, if there were no god, what would the world be like? The answer is, just the way it is now. Why people refuse to see this parallel is because they refuse to accept reality.
wow. i remember how idiot i was from looking at ur comment. read it again. ur justifying child death. U r actually saying that it is good if they die at a young age. we never u might kill ur own kid for its sake now would u..... u need to stay away from any kid on this earth
I didn't mean that killing is justified - killing a human being especially a child out of injustice is a sin and the killer ought to be punished from the religious, moral perspective.
I am saying that if it's fated a child dies before puberty - that child goes to paradise.
no what u need to be sorry of is u thinking these 2 parents are going to hell for killing them selves from sadness of losing their beloved child. isnt that what islam tells u? if u kill ur self ur going to hell? the movie maker is making a wonderfull example for u.
really open ur eyes and read ur book. whats so different about it. and ill answer that for u. Not a single thing what ever ur book or teachers are telling u people have said that before islam. some even before jesus him self.
Where is the free will of people who were driven in a train for days just to be murdered in a gas chamber? Where is the free will of people compelled to slave work for years just for a little bowl of food? If you chain a person to a wall or to galleys, do they still retain free will?
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Parents act as if their children belong to them, which is not the case of course. If a child dies, he returns to his creator, he only can take away life from him as he has given it to him at first place. And since Allah is just, a child is not held accountable for his deeds, that's why he goes to heaven.
Part 1 "And since Allah is just, a child is not held accountable for his deeds ..."
You are not defining what you mean with child: it is used either to indicate a boy or girl from the time of birth until he or she is an adult, or a son or daughter of any age (Cambridge Dict.). Using the first definition, you would have to defend that up until the age of adulthood children are not hold accountable for their sins. Using the second definition nobody is to be hold accountable.
Part 2: Anyway, you are imposing your own morality on that of Allah because you are assuming that Allah is just, that is what he must be doing. What is your independent 'evidence' that children are going to heaven and using which definition of 'child' ?
Quote from nonstampcollector, which perfectly fits to that topic: "I (god) want to test your ability to shut down the reasoning abilities i gave you and to believe something which is contradictory in itself and appears to be completely made up. Pass the test, and you are safe. Fail the test, and you burn".
You know this concept in Islam. If the good ones didn't prevent the bad ones from being bad, the whole group will suffer bad events, the bad ones for their bad deeds, the good ones because they didn't at least advice the bad ones to stop being bad.
Another thing about the test, God knew the result of the test but he didn't force any human being to have that result, the human being has its own will on making that result
The Qur'an says "Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea by [reason of] what the hands of people have earned so He may let them taste part of [the consequence of] what they have done that perhaps they will return [to righteousness]." 30:41
That's why bad things happens to us all, Muslims those days are not that much following Islam, unfortunately. I'm talking about a large percentage. Life is a test whether we will obey God or not, the same test of our parents, Adam and Eve.
Personally I believe God is beyond comprehension, but that's not to say one shouldn't try and understand the complexities, but once you simplify it, 'He's like this' or If He's like that then I don't think blah........' You immediately get caught up in the limitations of your own knowledge/thinking. Or something like that :)
Nice to see some well reasoned, eloquent debate going on :(
So we;ve established that the Abrahamic God is not something to be believed in because of the inconsistencies relating to compassion and cruelty. What attributes would your ideal God have that would make you feel better about humankind's position in the universe? That would be a good video. The problem is that every way people look at
God, they always make him within their understanding.
The joke is on you, you site the collapse of the Roman empire as gods punishment on to them, isn't it funny that what you call the "empire of faith" i.e. the Islamic caliphate isn't here today? How can god allow the destruction of his caliphates?
Haven't you noticed that allthe empires that claimed to be ordained by god and invincible have disappeared? Including the Islamic ones? Ever thought about that? Obviously not.
How elegantly stated. Any such deity would be sadistic and not worthy of worship. He, she, or it would deserve only disdain. Any sane, moral person would have to reject such a deity as one would reject an abusive parent, a tyrannical leader, or a mass murderer. Lucky such a creature does not exist.
Penndennis - pls dont make me laugh have u read any history
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Seriously what do u read where have u been just 4 ure tips see ref
1. Kindom of petra, Kindom of Pompeii
Roman empires collapsing, evil has been there in Roman times for long time God perished these people so many times have u not READ ? seen places in Rome where are those idiots who thought they were invincible hahah jokes aside !!
iM NOT A PREACHER however if u have a problem with the Diety that created u then u seek help ? it is ure own making . As is the case with billions of people in the world they do believe . A handful of minority dont due to thier criminal activity, fraud, illegal activities etc..somethng they are hiding concealing thier sins. If u have sinned then why blame God ?
MAKING & MANS CREATED MISERY. Why does man want to kill themselves in Eupanasia . Therefore we should THANK GOD he created death . I certainly would not like to live old & weak with constant pains & aches. God is oft merciful & graceful. He is SO WISE !!
If a god created the world and everything in it, then why wouldn't he be at least partially responsible for all the problems? Why would a being that sits on his lazy ass watching a child being raped and murdered while he could stop it but instead creates things like flies and flesh eating bacteria be loving and merciful?
Why send people to be tortured FOR ALL ETERNITY? Wouldnt a trillion years or so of sadistic torture be enough to satisfy your gods childish, cruel anger?
When over population occurs there is INCREASE DEMAND less SUPPLY . Hence civil unrest & conflict so DEATH EASES THIS.
With regards to the MENINGITIS baby this was indeed SAD & sorrowful. However WHO INVENTED CARS ?? !! Did those CAPITALIST MONEY GREEDY BUSINESS MEN not think of any safety for babies..Did it not OCCUR to these hungry wolves what would happen if the baby was involved in a car accident it could DIE ? WHY DO WE BLAME GOD FOR MANS OWN
To BornAMoslem, In my view, you are missing the point of the video. I cannot speak for Hassan; however I believe he is inviting viewers to consider the following -: If God/Allah exists and he is indeed omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent i.e. All powerful, the creator and source of all things then we must conclude that nothing has happened, is happening or will happen other than by the will of Allah/God. If thats true, you cannot blame humanity.
Man/Woman cannot ultimately be held responsible; if we are, in our entirety; physically, emotionally and cognitively the product of the Creator.
Therefore when confronted with the question Why does God allow bad things to happen? The all too frequent answer, by ALL of the 3 desert dogmas, that Life is a Test is nothing more than a misleading, deceptive and outrageous platitude.
The background to the REAL FACTS are that God did not want to make misery for man. He did not make death until informed by his angels that there would be over populations. SCIENTISTS actually favour WAR as it makes population low & therefore natural selection comers in less competition between p[eople less internal fighting more food available. We are already over populated LOOK in India there are overtaking China & have billions of people . How will they survive with the fastest AIDS too ?
To BornAMoslem, Where do you get these "real facts" from? How do you know what God wants or does not want? Why would an omniscient being need to be informed of anything? As for 'natural selection'; this is not recognised in Islamic Dogma. People don't just fight for resources; they also fight for ideas, for power. Muhammad favoured war, pillage, slavery, deceit and paedophilia. Who do you blame, Allah or him?
Thoughtful video well read. The ARABIC was awsome . Reminded me of marmaduke Pickthall. Death Im afraid will be tasted by ALL . It is a thing ordained . When man burns forests & animals are hunted for their fur etc they too suffer death. On this occasion NO RELIGION IS INVOLVED. When a surgeon makes a fatal error death occurs again this is MANS own making. WE should not blame RELIGION Islam all the time WE must blame ourselves 2 .
Great video, thank you very much.
history7000 1 year ago
I love how rational your videos are. The pictures are very well chosen ;-) thanks for spreading humanism!
Exzentrisch1883 1 year ago
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And the problem is people tend to focus on a little bit of evil, and ignore the myriads of good that is far far more, and they just take it for granted since they are used to it.
They ask why is this child sick? And forget the thousands of healthy children. They wonder why they have a problem, and forget their wealth, health, family, and countless blessings.
And even the evil, is there for a reason, and can turn to a great good for those who pass the test.
Hassan, may Allah guide you back
IslamicGoldenAge 2 years ago
Myriads? I hope you know that bad outweighs good in this world.
And if you think otherwise you are delusional.
You say wealth is a blessing, when it is in fact THE root of all evil. To be rich there must exist poverty and I mean must.
And it does...you do not realize the magnitude of the problems on this earth.
The child was sick but died because he was paralyzed and not able to breath without a machine, the disease was merely a bad luck
guardcorp 2 years ago 2
God knows the outcome because He is outside of time. But he did not force you, the key is in the free will you casually dismissed - which makes no sense for an agnostic, since we are just the product of our genes for you.
And of course it has to be challenging. What is the point of a test that has no challenge, that everyone passes effortlessly? What is the point of giving a first grade test to a bunch of college students?
You are being tested on patience, good deeds, trust in God.
IslamicGoldenAge 2 years ago
WTF are you talking about? Do you yourself understand what you are saying? You completely missed the point of the video.
saamohod 2 years ago
@IslamicGoldenAge
Your commence sounds like you have seen some other video and replied here.
Come on man, start thinking out side the box. Look at Islam and other religions like a person looking for the truth based on facts, and not based what you were conditioned. (By the way you were trained to think by your family and society you lived among.)
history7000 1 year ago
u dnt kno anyhtign abotu islam ..
jsut this man has whispers of devil in him .
xMaafiax 2 years ago
@xMaafiax You should read his history and look into what he did for a living. I think then you'll take back your words about him knowing nothing about Islam.
Abbodine1 2 years ago
@xMaafiax
He was a devout Muslim for many years, but he has finally discovered the truth. Perhaps you should wake up and realize that there is no thing as the "devil".
aurayon 2 years ago
Outstanding.
MyTuppenceWorth 2 years ago
A warning on the graphic images would have been nice....that photo of the child in the dirt will haunt me now....as a mother I am horrified that you'd use this as an example to prove whatever point you tried to make.
SandiByrd 2 years ago
U just make PERFECT SENSE MY FRIEND....PERFECT SENSE!!
one of the best vidz on youtube.
metalheadz44 2 years ago
"If God is the super powerful force that engenders things to exist, then God is the crux of existence itself, not a spatial being. That will always the central theme of all pursuits." Sounds like the lyrics from one of your heavy metal favourites. A marriage of Islamic mysticism heavy metal and physics. Could be Spinal Tap. I remain unconvinced. other lyrics; " Who you jivin with that cosmic debris"..
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
LOL Ok inspite of our disagreement of each other's world views, this was actually funny ..and I applaud you for it.
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
i think Mahmood42978 is a kind of troll ... look at his website / blog ...
TheLiquidLight 2 years ago
Ad-Hominem, appealing to ridicule doesn't verify your credibility
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
" ... Islam is truly the most balanced universal religion, free of petty human impulses or distortion ... "
never heard of ZEN ... ?
" ... the universe developed in way that iit supports our existence in it ... "
BS ... watch?v=p_nqySMvkcw
TheLiquidLight 2 years ago
Zen is a philosophy not a religion
B.S.? the faculties within all of nature is what brought us here isn't it?...nice try
Watched that video; it's red herring
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
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jonjoe1000 2 years ago
to DiscussIslam: Interesting Piece and of course an Appeal to Emotion; which isn't in itself bad, but when you ask a question of "what is being tested?" you answered your own question with all your examples; our honesty to ourselves to maintain what's under our responsibility regardless of the circumstances.
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
May as well appeal to the emotions since there is no intellectual engagement possible in Islam. Islam is a system of belief not truth. Truth and belief are different things. Truth is based on empirical evidence whereas belief rests on simple faith and denies reason and intellect. Faith appeals to the emotions; the heart is tricked into accepting faith as truth and the intellect or 'reason' is disengaged. Faith is an illness. Islam the darkest illness of them all. Its a 'test' for the irrational
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
some extent, everything is determined on some degree of empiricism, but even in the most rigorous levels of empiricism, the use of axioms demonstrates that even there not everything we know as true can be "observably proven". Which means not all aspect of Truth is proveable.
Even the use of your terms "darkest" , what empirical evidence do you have for that? Have scientists shown visible spectrum of radiation for Islam ? Your own words recognize truth is not purely empirical
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
From experiencing the empirical effects of a suicide bomb. Suicide bombs are pretty dark.
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
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Mahmood42978 2 years ago
which empirical effects? can you demonstrate empirically how you can determine something as "dark" under strict scientific standards, like which radiation spectrum it falls under?
"bronze age" you sound like you're quoting a Samuel Huntington speech, come up with your own ideas
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
So you don't do metaphor then? It seems like most muslims you can't bear any criticism of the darkest of all religions. The pedant in you can dance away all day with the spectrum. Everybody reading this understands. I don't care whether Bronze age as a chronological reference is a cliche. Its useful for placing the darkest religion in the dark period from when it was invented. Why don't YOU come up with your own religion. If Mo can do it why can't you?
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
I do do metaphors, but metaphor aren't strictly empirical are they?
You can criticize, propaganda is not a critique, it's merely
when you use phrases like "darkest" it's like you're telling boogey man stories,
yes bronze age is a cliche but that's not the problem, it's also a variation of Appeal to Novelty and Disappeal to Antiquity, both forms of what's called LOGICAL FALLACIES.
"it is useful", so right there you admit this is merely a RHETORICAL tactic, for propagandizing
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
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jonjoe1000 2 years ago
You mean boogey man stories like burning in hell for not praising the all merciful alter ego of the lunatic Mohammed? Islam is full of non sequiters. How about religion of peace, just for one?
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Islam is truly the most balanced universal religion, free of petty human impulses or distortions, I doubt anyone except Muhammad has in my eyes demonstrated that . As long as I find those characteristics within Islam, I will be a Muslim
Unless you can "prove", empirically that none of my opinions about Islam are valid.
That would require a great deal more than silly appeals like "Darkest" and "Bronze Age" though, Since I can see past that stuff
things like that only fool the gullible
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
And the gullible are easily fooled. You may indeed feel Islam is all the things you say. Unfortunately there are lots of other self proclaimed experts upon Islam and Islam is not what Islam says, Islam is as Islam does, and everybody knows what Islam does. It hasn't changed since the murdering raping child molesting thieving thug of a charismatic epileptic psychopath invented it. Surely you can do better why don't you invent one? Can it be that difficult. Lets all bend over to your version.
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
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Mahmood42978 2 years ago
This is all inflammatory rhetoric lacking any credibility behind them, even the alleged "epilepsy" does not meet the standard criteria associated with it. Which makes all of this merely another futile attempt at propaganda.
From what I understand about the balances of existence/the universe etc. Islam seems to match those completely; so unless you can show me something that does that while Islam doesn't, then there's nothing "better"; My answer still arrives at Islam
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
Well, happy for you. Why don't your turn your critical faculties upon Islam itself and if you can be detached and objective enough you may discover more than you know now. This guy did
com/watch?v=s4cWIt-J7Cc&feature=response_watch
You may find researching epilepsy and religious experience interesting. I can't see none but a psycho lopping off six hundred or more heads -as for Islam and the balance of the universe, pure rhetoric. Seems you prefer rhetoric to science. Back to gullibility
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
I don't think you've been reading a word I've said; The reason I am Muslim is because of my critical values; I went examining what appears to meet certain criteria which reflects the things I observe are true about existence, particularly human ones, even if I weren't Muslim, I'd still retain most of the aspects of Islam individuals like you are afraid of anyways, because part of the reason I was drawn to Islam is because I find most aspects of contemporary society as incorrect
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
I really don't care what your critical values suggest to you. Catholics Buddhists Hindus, all make the grade for 'certain' criteria as far as certain human experience is concerned. So which aspects of contemporary society do you find incorrect and what do you think I'm afraid of. Is this where we go down the morality road? PS as matter of interest, looking at your channel you seem to enjoy lots of aspects of contemporary entertainment. Lastly do you really accept the koran is the word of a god?
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
However, Im not trying to sway you to be Muslim, youre trying to sway me not to be. What those religions say are irrelevant, but based on my readings, they certainly dont say that. Morality is not merely an idea, but the fruit of our natural evolution, making much of contemporary society against our natural drives, which makes them just self destructive artificial pacifiers. Yes I do believe the Quran is the word of God, it reflects what I found in my own search
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
Well we seem to be making progress in that you agree morality has evolved from from group living. Can you not also see other basic notions that the threat, say of hell, for not returning the adulation Mo's alter ego demands, along with the similar threat of enforced good behaviour is nothing other than an extension of a parent's threat to a naughty child. Mohammed was abandoned. He craved love, demanded it. (Are you a direct fan of Lovecraft or is it only by proxy of Shub Niggurath)
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
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Mahmood42978 2 years ago
See I thought about that, and I don't really see the difference because things in nature have "checks and balances"; and if there's another dimension to existence than just a material aspect, then hell/heaven seems to be a manifestation of this order of checks and balances; seems logically compatible with that understanding, And you're actually factually incorrect, He's from a tribal society, therefore your psychological profile took shape n the Post Industrial era, and wouldnt really apply
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
Checks and balances? Nature doesn't have Checks and balances- nature just is. You are anthropomorphising. Just because quantum physics, at present, seems to suggest other dimensions it doesn't mean there are any-
non material or otherwise. Wouldn't apply? If Islam is good for all time psychology is too even if only theorized. Theory being a tool. Lunatics are timeless too. We're all tribal to an extent. Mohammed used a great deal of psychology to prosper, delude and gain power.
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Not so, the four fundamental forces are checks and balances, and the forces derived from that is also. That's why we find the attributes of matter consistent through out matter; nowhere in the universe does gravity cause objects to move away from each other, neither does nuclear reactions cause things to become cold. So it isn't "just is" there are functions, and from functions checks and balances. Thought is non-material, , even most of "matter" is non-material, it only "appears" material
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
You may want to blend the empty space in the illusion of matter into your mystical beliefs. I really don't care. Believers will always attempt to insert their god into as yet unclear areas of science. Whatever turns up in the the search for truth in the endeavour for knowledge and understanding, the religious mindset will always be ready to insert its holy father in the sky into the equations somewhere or other. And your allah is in charge of these checks and balances? Its such a joke. Goodbye
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
There's no conflict with the search for cosmic knowledge and spiritual knowledge, they're really one in the same. The concept of "empty" spaces was only to show that Matter is not the sum total of existence; And God is not in any placement, sky or otherwise, If God is the super powerful force that engenders things to exist, then God is the crux of existence itself, not a spatial being. That will always the central theme of all pursuits,
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
...And you really believe the koran came from a god. Its astounding. A bang on the empty spaces in the head with a hammer, also mostly empty space itself will still hurt. It almost been fun.
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
This is all an Appeal to ridicule Jon, it really doesn't say much that nullifies the premise other than, it's an emotional appeal
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
Muhammad did use psychology, but if it was aimed for personal exploitation, he could have chosen many other options. The Pagan Meccans offered to make him king, and give him abundance of wealth, and women, more so than just 12. If he worked with them. But really reflective of any of those alleged accusations; We're not using the Abstract meaning of Tribal, but the Anthropological meaning, and in that sense the whole idea of "abandonment" wouldnt apply,
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
Mohammed was mad. He wasn't going to be content with being a mere king. He wanted to be perceived to be a messenger of god. Much more kudos than simple tribal royalty. He always referred to 'allah and his messenger' emphasising the company he kept, such was his divine madness and ability for con tricks.
Not having a mother is not having a mother. No dancing with the word 'tribal' compensates for being abandoned, rejected, ignored or turned away by your mother. No wonder he demanded attention
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
A "mere" King, if that's the case, he wouldn't have chosen a simple lifestyle for himself. I mean if he couldn't handle being a "mere" king then that wouldn't suffice. Just for the luxury of being called "Messenger of God", wouldn't make much unless it was facilitated with personal luxuries as well. So even here the presentation is inaccurate and inconsistent with his character. Tribal cultures are communal, therefore the concept of abandonment doesn't exist. You're grasping for straws
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
You have no more idea about Mo's character than anyone else. How could you know? Don't say the Koran, the Hadith. Both are unverifiable. Luxuries are irrelevant. It's likely he was irrational. (6oo beheadings possessed by Jinn, the satanic epoisodes ) Tribal cultures are indeed communal - just as well if a child is rejected by its mother and left to be nurtured by the community. Don't care what you say. You don't have children and don't know. Grasping at straws? You have chosen the short one.
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Well then other than the fact you have an outset bias against things which are not fully under the script of experimentally derived information; what is the basis for your critiques? You're determining it based on whatever amount of information you have referring to Muhammad(saw)'s life and you've added your own spin which comes from that notion to discredit the man anyways. The child rejection scenario in tribal societies hasn't been observed as here. You're basing it on your own acculturation
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
so youre not an ATHEIST as your BLOG says ... ?
you believe in ISLAM and the QURAN ... ?
TheLiquidLight 2 years ago
what is that ... ?!? your blog ... ?!?
aigbusted[dot]blogspot[dot]com
TheLiquidLight 2 years ago
no I don't blog, what lead you to believe that this was me?
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
my blog? .....do explain, which blog? since I don't have one
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
Yes I do like Lovecrafts books, ironically they were influential in my outlook on many things
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
"balance of the universe" isn't "rhetoric,; that required a great deal of reading/studying science, as well as philosophy, sociology, for me to arrive at. where as you've just used false appeals and inflammatory statements.
As for Epilepsy so far, when I compare the trends of epilepsy, Muhammad's life doesn't relegate to them. Remember epilepsy is more than having a "seizure" or "trance"
ExMuslims site, nothing new, he's just rehashing old already debunked debates you can find on the web
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
What makes you think the universe is balanced ? the Koran? You live a life span of seconds relative to the age of the universe The balance you perceive is 'momentary' Descriptions of Mo when he 'was receiving a new directive' from his alter ego are classic symptoms. We won't even go into his fears of madness Jinns and the 'satanic bits' You hang onto your delusions, its not as though your on your own. Ex Muslims are gaining ground. One eye in the darks ages and the other in a computer screen?
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
the forces that engender the universe's properties is it's balance. the Quran correctly addresses that. the issue. the universe developed in way that iit supports our existence in it and allows for a range of scales. it's "relative" time span is irrelevant
The claim you makeis not a symptom of epilepsy, and 'alter ego" is merely an inflammatory statement, not a defacto one
Ex Muslims are just products of European colonialism indoctrinating an inferiority complex, they only gain self hatred
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
cont: in other words, all you're doing right now is merely propagandizing, raping and bastardizing the lofty rhetoric of empiricsm and rationality, for a pathetic attempt at emotional comfort because of your inability to handle the challenges that face you, in this case Islam and Muslims.
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
PS I don't find Islam or Muslims Challenging in the least bit. Its bronze age nonsense. That's it.
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
PS, have you grown a straggly beard, adopted 'Islamic' dress and stopped talking to your parents yet? Don't worry - you will. Why don't you smoke a little dope, go to a rave, take an E chill out and find a girl/boy friend? Well even if you can't find a girl/ boy friend with whom you can mutually express your sexuality in a healthy, hormonal, loving fashion, don't worry there's lots of sex it in Heaven. No rules up there. If you can wait. MAJNOON
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
PS FYI no I haven't. I dress like a normal person, I look into whatever I am told, and I am known by those around me to be a skeptical person. Don't for once assume that you actually know me or my lifestyle, for I find that rather rude.
Most 'relationships' in the State's usually end in a divorce. From what I've seen most love marriages don't last long, although it isn't impossible. How many partners does an average person have over there?
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
Interestingly, studies have shown that in the United States, atheists get divorced less often than believers.
sdrawkcabgnipytmi 2 years ago
That makes sense , dont be muslim, just go do self destructive acts to keep yourself pacified
yes doing disassociative drugs is a very healthy way to express sexuality and love. Chemically Synthesized emotions, the mark of healthy people , I guess that's pretty healthy in the eyes of the dysfunctional
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
You are 22 years old you have studied a book you have been lead to believe is a miracle in itself. That it contains the word of a god, whatever a god is and was delivered by his 'messenger'. You are further led to believe that this book contains all their is to know and is full of miraculous proof of the miracle it claims itself to be. ----continued below:
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Your insights are based on the crazed ramblings and stories of Mo's escapades written down years later. Escapades of a murdering raping child molesting thieving psychopathic thug? How do I know this? Because I have have read the same sources of his escapades as you. You seem to accept that because mad Mo says he was a prophet and spoke to an angel he is somehow part of a miraculous series of events. All I see is a manipulating self indulgent madman who conned almost everyone around him.
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
. And had those who weren't conned by him murdered. Islam has all the hallmarks of a cult. You can't even leave or you will be killed. Islam is riddled with rituals. Rituals for punishment, rituals verbal and physical, obsessed with sex and the fear and manipulation of women. Just because its a few hundred years old and has lots of followers don't imagine it is anything more than a cult for gullible obsessives who embrace it as a way of life, or have been force fed it since they left the womb
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
A cult? Yeah keep watching the ever so reliable CNN and tell me that. I possess more knowledge on the topic in one hand's length then you ever have. I have read his supposed 'criticisms' by many alike and most opinions of those who know little of the Prophet are synonymous with yours. Do some research.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
ISMASHYOUBRO I think you should refer to some scientists who achieved far more than mad Mohammed ever could. Why not start with Charles Darwin. You are simply a deluded member of the CULT of Mohammed- a deranged epileptic psychopath whose alter ego Allah served his purposes perfectly. What is it like being a naive deluded believer in fairy tales
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Ah someone who thought Muhammad was epileptic. Such assumptions clearly tell me you have no insight on the subject. An epileptic man who was additionally deranged could not have had the influence he has had. I am not really deluded you see. I optionally embraced Islam.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
You imagine because you optionally embraced Islam you are not deluded?
I optionally embrace the flying spaghetti monster. Does that mean I am not deluded. The deluded are the last to know they are deluded. Its not as though you will disappointed when you die and don't get to heaven -since you will be dead and that's it. The flying spaghetti monster in his holy book which came through his prophet Ali Bolognese assures me there is only one life. Am I deluded because I optionally choose this?
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
You watch too much Dawkins, and have not really bothered in looking at the religion itself. Tell me one thing that will without a doubt convert me. I am open to revert from Islam. So far it hasn't happened. Not because I am deluded, rather the comments and criticisms I deal with such as yours are deluded. Please educate yourself you twit THEN come back and reply.
Have fun with your life and don't bother replying :)
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
You are simple naive deluded child in the youth of your delusions. You have a head full of the mystical hyperbolic ramblings of Hassanain Rajabali - and the avuncular 'wisdom' of a failed ex christian showbiz preacher . You'll be recomending videos by Dr. Naik next. Its hard to accept you are deluded, lost in faith and a cultist. All you so called knowledge about Islam is completely irrelevant since its all a sham, an invention, clearly you need that daddy in the sky.
Dawkins hu akhbar
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Oh, here we go
Youth of my delusions? I embraced Islam on my own terms.
'It's hard to accept that you are deluded' Well excuse me sir. I thought it was easy for you to believe? Idiot you contradicted yourself.
You know nothing of Islam. Even if you did you would twist it to fit your own beliefs.
I prefer talking with agnostics rather than MOST atheists such as yourself. So full of arrogance, belittling 'creationists'. Atheists themselves are more ignorant than they could ever know.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
continued:
You are also led to believe that this book is all you need to read. You have accepted all this and now you think you know a thing or two and are ready to take on the world. Hence your name: I SMASH YOU. Your'e just a kid full of shit. A deluded kid
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Not exactly. Perhaps in close minded societies where Quran is the only book taught(Which I find rather ridiculous)
ISMASHYOUBRO was a pun on Super Smash Brother's Brawl a video game. I am a gamer, so I thought I would base the account on that. I don't see the problem in that now do I? Again making false and rather ridiculous assumptions.
Perhaps at heart I am a kid since I like to enjoy myself, but as far as I see it the shit is in you.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
Well your on your own now kid, you can't expect me to guide you through the bullshit of religion for the rest of your life. And remember, Mohammed wasn't a prophet he was a very naughty boy. Never desert your scepticism and you may well see the light of reason one day. Happy days! Have a look at religious experience and epilepsy on youtube particularly VS RAMACHANDRAN. BYEE
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Google and search Ali Yakubov.
You don't know the prophet. I am glad you are willing to leave this conversation because I, sure as hell don't intend on discussing such issues with someone who does nothing more than lay fraudulent assumptions on a religion.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
ah another mark of brilliance
all your knowledge is irrelevant because it's a sham it's a sham because it's irrelevant.
Mahmood42978 2 years ago
To discussislam.
Your views are not very suprising to me. I think you should refer to some Islamic scholars such as Hssanain Rajabali.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
Life is a test in the same way a game of Monopoly is a test, that is, call it a test if you like, but it's not accurate.
OrangeFuzz123 2 years ago
So this insane god tests SOME of his 'created' people by making OTHER innocent people he 'created' whom they may love dearly, suffer or die. Why should other innocents have to die to 'TEST' someone else. Islam, the Koran, is complete nonsense for complete idiots. Absolute garbage. When will this insane religion disappear off the face of the earth. ISLAM is an insult to the universe. GOD? What kind of a god does this shit. The ISLAMIC god that's who. I would sooner die than submit to ISLAM....
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Ah yes yet again an atheist brings God into the frame of reference. God is not bound by your morals or whatever you seem to think is the way.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
How do you know what god is bound by and not bound by? How do you know god is controller of all things? How do yo know god is not a tyrant?
How do you know what god knows or doesn't know? You are nothing more than a pompous believer who thinks he knows the truth. When all you know is what you believe. Belief and truth are completely different things. One is based on empiricism and evidence. The other on simple naive faith. Faith doesn't even cure toothache. The pompous arrogance of believers !
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
This Guy renders me speechless every time i check out his videos!
I love it when simplicity meets philosophy!
...for a better life.....Religion FREE
metalheadz44 2 years ago
2,400 views, and mostly European or Western based, how I wish the number of views was in the hundreds of millions and by a Muslim audience.
or is this just too much wishful thinking on my part.
Erbstank 2 years ago
This video should be unflagged, content far more "obsene" is freely displayed by utube partners. This is bull crap.
googoo120 2 years ago
Why is this video flagged?
TomVu99 2 years ago 2
You are very confused with the concept of free-will and pre-destination.
A Judge Knows that if a convict offends on his parole, he will go to prison. But whether the convict offends or not is his FREE-WILL, his bad actions are not the fault of the judge, he can only advise him and guide him to Good, and give him another chance if he wishes to avoid the punishment.
87sambo87 2 years ago
And does the judge then take food and health away to "test" the populace?
sweettater99 2 years ago
You base your opinions on your own views of morality as if you can question the way of life. Life itself is a trial and God or Allah knows it all. Sounds silly to you doesn't it?
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
Yes. There is no such thing as God. People made him up. If there is a higher being, I doubt he would act in the manner El does.
sweettater99 2 years ago
Go see some debates regarding this. It's much more complicated than how you seem to view it. We are bringing God into a frame of reference.
First you have to look at how the food is taken away. How did Africa become so poverty-stricken? Was it God because he felt like it or was it what man has done? The British who looted them in the 19th century or perhaps before that?
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
So Mad Mohammed never looted anyone then?
Ah ! But he did it for god, so that's ok then?
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Muhammad never looted anyone you fool. Do some more research please. Look at how he spent the last years of his life. He had the choice to be rich and live his life in wealth but he turned it all away. I suggest you do you your research properly.
The same can be said with all due respect to discussislam.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
You do some research oh deluded one. Why not start with Ibn Ishaq . Oh I suppose he's not kosher is he? Prefer your own 'unbiased sources' I suppose?
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Yes the same unbiased sources that actually delve into Muhammad's personal life as well as books by non-biased non-Muslims who refute claims of his epilepsy, religious delusions and such.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
You have embraced the rules and rituals of the cult of Mohammed because you believe you live a 'better' life that way and also because you accept the cult's myth of an afterlife. You have no idea about the true nature of mad MO as indeed you have no empirical truth of his status as a prophet. You have no empirical evidence of God yet in previous postings you tell us what god is bound by and not bound by etc You do not have any proof for your 'Knowledge' and this is why you are deluded..and lost.
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Blah blah blah, how many times have I heard such garbage before? I've read many things regarding criticisms of Islam. They are pretty repetitive if I might say. Many people, muslim AND non muslims alike have refuted such claims.
Islam and the west. Ah, what an interesting subject it has become for me to discuss today.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
The God that I have read about is omnipotent and omniscient. If he does exist, he has the power to feed the populace, and takes away to test, as we well know from this story, Surah 7:163-166. Africa became poverty stricken for a number of human and natural reasons, none of which have to do with God, as he doesn't exist-or doesn't interfere. Also, in response to below comment. Mohammed did incite battle and looting. This was normal behavior back then-and not confined to any one group.
sweettater99 2 years ago
and God fills the shortcomings and loose ends.
Emasraw22 2 years ago
the point of tests, is to BETTER.
the Angels asked to the limit of their knowledge: WHY WOULD YOU CREATE SOMETHING THAT WOULD CREATE CORRUPTION AND BLOODSHED ON EARTH?
God replied: I know that which you know not.
God knew man is capable of great evil, yet capable of great good.
Why create something that is bound to fail. that is a naive understanding of mankind. One of mankind's virtues is never giving up, if he fails, he still tries again and again until he succeeds.
Emasraw22 2 years ago
life is a test, for people who are ready to act and who are not ready to act. the people who are in the wrong, are those who do nothing. and say. Why does the Scriptures say, life is a test. WHY DOES GOD SAY LIFE IS A TEST.
as one great mind once said:
For evil to prevail good men do nothing
Emasraw22 2 years ago
the last verse you mention was, He who created death and life to test which of you is best in action
you showed a picture of a child starving in africa. perhaps that verse would point to the need for people to take ''action'' and do what is right, like helping supply food.
in cases you showed pictures of dead children, which was perhaps due to a bomb, shootings and what not.
this stands as a example, that indeed we need to stop conflict, and bloodshed. we need to take action.
Emasraw22 2 years ago
Yes it is always funny how people blame God for making the condition of the child so. Yes God is controller of all things but you learn(if you have ever actually learned the concept of Islam) that you must make an effort to make a better living and make things better. Just sitting on the floor with your hands together asking Allah for everything with no price is simply Absurd. The faith and love of Allah comes with an effort. God is not a tyrant or fool like many atheists seem to view.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
Life is a test for human to know that god is the most greatest most merciful and doesn't want people to worship him ..... He want them to help each other not fight on some human made Books ........ ( this is only my opinion )
ooFreeMan 2 years ago
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You are wrong, discussislam.
Of course God (Allah swt) knows if his creature will fail or pass His tests...you seem to me to have failed so far...
But be sure, no matter how hard you try, you won't be able to harm Islam or Allah in a single point. You delude people without knowledge and you will bear a heavy weight on Judgement Day... See Sura 16 verses 24-25. You won't be able to understand because Allah (swt) does not guide people who mislead without knowledge (16:37),and you have NO knowledge
InvestigateThenJudge 2 years ago
Yea, very professional with your ad homenim attacks. If God already knows who will pass or fail the test before we even existed, what is the point then?
CoolCanadian1 2 years ago 3
THIS is THE central question which is answered in Islam. THIS is why so many people discover this last and only true religion that leads people to the One and Only God. Islam offers ANSWERS. It not just tells people what to believe (Like in all other religions, atheism excluded). Do you really want to know??
InvestigateThenJudge 2 years ago
?????
InvestigateThenJudge ?????
if allah dosnt guide people then its not there fualt for failing then is it?
onemanarmy34 2 years ago
Take it one step further. If Allah doesn't tell people what to believe/guide them then why set up a punishment (death followed by torture) for those who don't believe in the "One and Only God".
Hataka1 2 years ago
wow why is this flaged????
onemanarmy34 2 years ago 4
Such a heart touching albeit depressing video.
5/5.
PS. Why is this video flagged as improper for minors?
DS.
mrdaym 2 years ago 2
I never quite thought about life as a test this way. The only reason god would test us is if he DIDN'T know something about us. It's not a test if he already knows the outcome. We were created sick and commanded to be well!
GOD IS A FICTION! Great video. Well done!
GuerrillaAtheism 2 years ago
Mmmm... I wonder why this was flagged. Just can't get to it... there must me some deep explanation behind this.
Oh wait, never mind.
arsenelupin123 2 years ago 2
There is no biggest pain from that to lose own child. Before two years the little son of a family friends died in crash. Only what helped the woman not to lose her mind was that she gave birth to another child... Very sad video, but true
74dorado 2 years ago
A brilliant video which cuts straight to the problem of oppressive and nonsensical belief
CorporalNym 2 years ago
i hope theres no heaven or hell i want to RELIVE again as something new.A after life where your spirit goes into another and once you die you live again.That would be AWSOME,but we wouldnt know it.
shellarrowz 2 years ago
You CANNOT be sure there is heaven, you CANNOT be sure there is no heaven, real simple.
OrangeFuzz123 2 years ago
masterpiece.
italianchappy 2 years ago
Thank you, Hassan, for a another very thoughtful video.
P.S. On what possible grounds could anyone flag this video ??
Turandot29 2 years ago
great video , hasan
these are the questions i think about regularly ,
however why this video was flagged.
hmt4444 2 years ago
How come this video is flagged?
HotHam44 2 years ago
Kid goes to heaven parents go to Hell... real simple.
FoAllah 2 years ago
Kid goes to the grave. Parents go to the grave. There is no heaven or hell.
Real simple.
Turandot29 2 years ago
Die in disbelif, you go to Hell.
Real Simple.
FoAllah 2 years ago
FoAllah
A real simple fool you are. Deserving of your innocent ignorant simple minded all consuming ridiculous naive feeble brained inhumane limited uncharitable dim witted religious stupidity.
CorporalNym 2 years ago
1. Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him) to these Mushrikun and Kafirun): "O Al-Kafirun (disbelievers in Allah, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar, etc.)!
2. "I worship not that which you worship,
3. "Nor will you worship that which I worship.
4. "And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping.
5. "Nor will you worship that which I worship.
FoAllah 2 years ago
6. "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."
109 (The Disbelivers)-Holy Qur'an
FoAllah 2 years ago
What you do not know is that the first religion was created to enslave the population and to be used as a form of law by the egyptions. This form of technology was passed on to the greeks whom which sold it to the romans. about 1000 years later these people realized the power and wealth this might bring and they created a mighty religion (Christianity) They could take over the world with this religion (Crusades) 500 years after came islam. Your wasting your life kid.
JoeyD12345678 2 years ago
you are wrong in some points you are makin:
religion was invented by hannurabi in mesopotamia way before the egiprian.
greek and romas never used religion as a ruling intrument.
he is not wasting his time
victorcr 2 years ago
And also religion is still being used today to make money and take over land. In the past millions were killed over religion, Look at the crusades if israel, The halocaust, The current wars going on today. Not to mention religion is considered a buisness and brings in the most revenue of all industrys from donations and what not. Explain why some of the worlds richest people own 100's of churchs.
JoeyD12345678 2 years ago
Why not ask the question, if there were no god, what would the world be like? The answer is, just the way it is now. Why people refuse to see this parallel is because they refuse to accept reality.
Relativisticism 2 years ago
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Fact;
Any child who dies before puberty - his/her soul is blessed by God and he/she goes to paradise.
izzatiizzatiizzati 2 years ago
Look up the definition of the word: "Fact"
discussislam 2 years ago
wow. i remember how idiot i was from looking at ur comment. read it again. ur justifying child death. U r actually saying that it is good if they die at a young age. we never u might kill ur own kid for its sake now would u..... u need to stay away from any kid on this earth
waytohell2 2 years ago
I didn't mean that killing is justified - killing a human being especially a child out of injustice is a sin and the killer ought to be punished from the religious, moral perspective.
I am saying that if it's fated a child dies before puberty - that child goes to paradise.
Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.
izzatiizzatiizzati 2 years ago
no what u need to be sorry of is u thinking these 2 parents are going to hell for killing them selves from sadness of losing their beloved child. isnt that what islam tells u? if u kill ur self ur going to hell? the movie maker is making a wonderfull example for u.
really open ur eyes and read ur book. whats so different about it. and ill answer that for u. Not a single thing what ever ur book or teachers are telling u people have said that before islam. some even before jesus him self.
waytohell2 2 years ago
Where is the free will of people who were driven in a train for days just to be murdered in a gas chamber? Where is the free will of people compelled to slave work for years just for a little bowl of food? If you chain a person to a wall or to galleys, do they still retain free will?
syrop26 2 years ago
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Satan is the reason for sin not God, duh.
HenryWinehard 2 years ago
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your a wanker
geneland 2 years ago
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Parents act as if their children belong to them, which is not the case of course. If a child dies, he returns to his creator, he only can take away life from him as he has given it to him at first place. And since Allah is just, a child is not held accountable for his deeds, that's why he goes to heaven.
magnoliazz 2 years ago
Part 1 "And since Allah is just, a child is not held accountable for his deeds ..."
You are not defining what you mean with child: it is used either to indicate a boy or girl from the time of birth until he or she is an adult, or a son or daughter of any age (Cambridge Dict.). Using the first definition, you would have to defend that up until the age of adulthood children are not hold accountable for their sins. Using the second definition nobody is to be hold accountable.
ticobassie 2 years ago
Part 2: Anyway, you are imposing your own morality on that of Allah because you are assuming that Allah is just, that is what he must be doing. What is your independent 'evidence' that children are going to heaven and using which definition of 'child' ?
ticobassie 2 years ago
totally irrelevant but this guy has the perfect audio-book voice. :-P
TheFarCenter 2 years ago
ahh this is so complicated!!! im so confused right now. Everyone is contradicting everyone else........
husooo92 2 years ago
Quote from nonstampcollector, which perfectly fits to that topic: "I (god) want to test your ability to shut down the reasoning abilities i gave you and to believe something which is contradictory in itself and appears to be completely made up. Pass the test, and you are safe. Fail the test, and you burn".
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago 3
You know this concept in Islam. If the good ones didn't prevent the bad ones from being bad, the whole group will suffer bad events, the bad ones for their bad deeds, the good ones because they didn't at least advice the bad ones to stop being bad.
Another thing about the test, God knew the result of the test but he didn't force any human being to have that result, the human being has its own will on making that result
MrBeego2 2 years ago
yeah but if he knew the result why did he create us in the first place, to have some people to go to hell?
Im not against you or anything im just confused, please answer
husooo92 2 years ago
The Qur'an says "Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea by [reason of] what the hands of people have earned so He may let them taste part of [the consequence of] what they have done that perhaps they will return [to righteousness]." 30:41
That's why bad things happens to us all, Muslims those days are not that much following Islam, unfortunately. I'm talking about a large percentage. Life is a test whether we will obey God or not, the same test of our parents, Adam and Eve.
MrBeego2 2 years ago
Personally I believe God is beyond comprehension, but that's not to say one shouldn't try and understand the complexities, but once you simplify it, 'He's like this' or If He's like that then I don't think blah........' You immediately get caught up in the limitations of your own knowledge/thinking. Or something like that :)
OrangeFuzz123 2 years ago
Nice to see some well reasoned, eloquent debate going on :(
So we;ve established that the Abrahamic God is not something to be believed in because of the inconsistencies relating to compassion and cruelty. What attributes would your ideal God have that would make you feel better about humankind's position in the universe? That would be a good video. The problem is that every way people look at
God, they always make him within their understanding.
OrangeFuzz123 2 years ago
Maybe it is a test.
If you concluded that the Abrahamic God is generally morally corrupt -- you pass.
If you concluded the Abrahamic God sets a good example to always follow -- you fail.
iviewthetube 2 years ago
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BornAMoslem,
The joke is on you, you site the collapse of the Roman empire as gods punishment on to them, isn't it funny that what you call the "empire of faith" i.e. the Islamic caliphate isn't here today? How can god allow the destruction of his caliphates?
Haven't you noticed that allthe empires that claimed to be ordained by god and invincible have disappeared? Including the Islamic ones? Ever thought about that? Obviously not.
BornAMoslemisanidiot 2 years ago
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BornAMoslemisanidiot 2 years ago
Great. Exactly what I always said, when I was confronted with that "Test-Thing-Rubbish". Thank you
YippieYahya 2 years ago
How elegantly stated. Any such deity would be sadistic and not worthy of worship. He, she, or it would deserve only disdain. Any sane, moral person would have to reject such a deity as one would reject an abusive parent, a tyrannical leader, or a mass murderer. Lucky such a creature does not exist.
laraesque 2 years ago
Penndennis - pls dont make me laugh have u read any history
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Seriously what do u read where have u been just 4 ure tips see ref
1. Kindom of petra, Kindom of Pompeii
Roman empires collapsing, evil has been there in Roman times for long time God perished these people so many times have u not READ ? seen places in Rome where are those idiots who thought they were invincible hahah jokes aside !!
BornAMoslem 2 years ago
Penndennis
iM NOT A PREACHER however if u have a problem with the Diety that created u then u seek help ? it is ure own making . As is the case with billions of people in the world they do believe . A handful of minority dont due to thier criminal activity, fraud, illegal activities etc..somethng they are hiding concealing thier sins. If u have sinned then why blame God ?
BornAMoslem 2 years ago
MAKING & MANS CREATED MISERY. Why does man want to kill themselves in Eupanasia . Therefore we should THANK GOD he created death . I certainly would not like to live old & weak with constant pains & aches. God is oft merciful & graceful. He is SO WISE !!
BornAMoslem 2 years ago
"God is oft merciful & graceful. He is SO WISE !!"
Consider-:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
- David Hume.
Penndennis 2 years ago
If a god created the world and everything in it, then why wouldn't he be at least partially responsible for all the problems? Why would a being that sits on his lazy ass watching a child being raped and murdered while he could stop it but instead creates things like flies and flesh eating bacteria be loving and merciful?
Why send people to be tortured FOR ALL ETERNITY? Wouldnt a trillion years or so of sadistic torture be enough to satisfy your gods childish, cruel anger?
allahBurpsCum 2 years ago
When over population occurs there is INCREASE DEMAND less SUPPLY . Hence civil unrest & conflict so DEATH EASES THIS.
With regards to the MENINGITIS baby this was indeed SAD & sorrowful. However WHO INVENTED CARS ?? !! Did those CAPITALIST MONEY GREEDY BUSINESS MEN not think of any safety for babies..Did it not OCCUR to these hungry wolves what would happen if the baby was involved in a car accident it could DIE ? WHY DO WE BLAME GOD FOR MANS OWN
BornAMoslem 2 years ago
To BornAMoslem, In my view, you are missing the point of the video. I cannot speak for Hassan; however I believe he is inviting viewers to consider the following -: If God/Allah exists and he is indeed omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent i.e. All powerful, the creator and source of all things then we must conclude that nothing has happened, is happening or will happen other than by the will of Allah/God. If thats true, you cannot blame humanity.
Penndennis 2 years ago 4
Man/Woman cannot ultimately be held responsible; if we are, in our entirety; physically, emotionally and cognitively the product of the Creator.
Therefore when confronted with the question Why does God allow bad things to happen? The all too frequent answer, by ALL of the 3 desert dogmas, that Life is a Test is nothing more than a misleading, deceptive and outrageous platitude.
Penndennis 2 years ago 5
You hit the nail on the head!
discussislam 2 years ago
The background to the REAL FACTS are that God did not want to make misery for man. He did not make death until informed by his angels that there would be over populations. SCIENTISTS actually favour WAR as it makes population low & therefore natural selection comers in less competition between p[eople less internal fighting more food available. We are already over populated LOOK in India there are overtaking China & have billions of people . How will they survive with the fastest AIDS too ?
BornAMoslem 2 years ago
To BornAMoslem, Where do you get these "real facts" from? How do you know what God wants or does not want? Why would an omniscient being need to be informed of anything? As for 'natural selection'; this is not recognised in Islamic Dogma. People don't just fight for resources; they also fight for ideas, for power. Muhammad favoured war, pillage, slavery, deceit and paedophilia. Who do you blame, Allah or him?
Penndennis 2 years ago
Thoughtful video well read. The ARABIC was awsome . Reminded me of marmaduke Pickthall. Death Im afraid will be tasted by ALL . It is a thing ordained . When man burns forests & animals are hunted for their fur etc they too suffer death. On this occasion NO RELIGION IS INVOLVED. When a surgeon makes a fatal error death occurs again this is MANS own making. WE should not blame RELIGION Islam all the time WE must blame ourselves 2 .
BornAMoslem 2 years ago