GSX-R1000 vs TZ250 at twin ring motegi in Japan

[rizwanrashid]

Come on guys, obviously the 1000 would beat it on the track, but u gota give the 250 alota respect for its pace

[tthhnnee]

TZ250 is a BEAST!

[kustomking101]

Thank you!! great vid!!!

[criticalmass181]

I geniunely love this video. My friends think that, because I used to race a TZ 250 I had no credibility. I never raced a 'big bike'. Your skill on a thousand is very respectable, but the 250 has some punch, none the less..... Extremely sobering to think that an engine that is only a quarter of a litre can keep a big bike at bay (and a big bike with a very smooth rider, at that...)

[inteligenciaprimero]

Nice Vid

You gotta have balls, skill, lots of money to do this

Mannnnn that was heavy

[sharky33333333333333]

the gsxr could overtake in many areas. he is just didnt want it.

[scoot45123]

Nice onboard vid!

[jcotteri]

This makes me so happy.. :)

[aydinvideo]

Very skilled riding Nobutery!

[gsxrful]

a lousy monster 4 stroke can only catch up with the tiny 2 stroke in long straights. 2 stroke RULES!

[scoot45123]

Awesome video. Looks like if the GSX-R didn't have to turn or brake, it may be a race. You have to love two strokers.

[nzvisordown]

great video and riding... thanks for sharing

[pwollerman]

Thanks for uploading - your mate seems to out-ride you, I like his style...

[Lanny615]

Oh mann! thanks for uploading, you guys are really riding those bikes! Nice to see the 250 ts in the corners. Greetings from sunny Jamaica.

[bnaeo]

grazie!

[XH558B2]

F**k me.....thats how to have FUN!!!

[clb393]

great video, oneof the best i've seen! the 250 is a rocket around the corners, though the Gixxer inhales it down the straights. Thanks!

[lokigoesrawr]

How do trackdays work in Japan and how often are they held for amateur enthusiasts?

[nobutery]

@lokigoesrawr

5-10 times a month, about $30 for one session(30min). In addition, about $200 per year to hold circuit license. My license expired a few years ago...

[lokigoesrawr]

@nobutery

Thanks! Are the trackdays held by the tracks themselves or by 3rd party organizations who rent out the track? Are circuit licenses track-specific or good for any?

[nobutery]

@lokigoesrawr There are several kinds of trackdays. I wrote above are held by the tracks themselves and they require the circuit license. On the other hand,some trackdays held by the track or by 3rd partys don't require the circuit license.

A circuit license is track-specific.

[jangho9]

I love how this small 250cc 2 stroke can fight with a 1000cc bike :D

[WZW1982]

@jangho9 has amazing handling and power for its weight, but would lose in a straight line against the literbike

[maselbac]

ok. so what.....the gixxer has twice the power. Watch how that little poo stroke pulls away from him initially. Its only near the end of the straights that the gixxer starts gaining ground by which time its.....shut off, lean in.......too late......

Id say both riders were more than competent. And it aint all about power. That tz puts out over 90hp but weighs a mere 102kg dry.

Imagine a 1000cc 2t, it would be ridiculous!

Just a shame two strokes put out so much pollution.

[tpatch250r]

This is really a stupid argument the old 2-strokes(h2,h1,tz,rd,etc...ar­e gp bikes that are incredably fast especially on flat tracks wear high speeds are maintained for a good period of time and busa's and gsxr's don't stand a chance unless they are double the size or better if this 250 was racing a 500 it would have burried it now on the other hand you can drag the old 2-stroke and they do ok but the gsxr's and ninja rockets do better .

[nizmortal]

And another fact is that the tz 250 is a race bike whereas the gsxr isn't. Anyway though no 4 stroke can get the same lap times with a 2-stroke bike under the hands of a guy who knows how to ride it.

[todsky426]

in all fairness the gsxr1000 would destroy the tzr, but in some parts the gsxr really guns it and struggles to keep up with it, those old 2 smokers are incredible

[powertoweight100]

In all fairness, if you have to redline a GSXR1000 to make it barely keep with a 250CC, then its not as fast as you think it is. Picture a 2 stroke RS500GP racing that little GSXR 1000

[g3gtsboy]

In all fairness the GSXR literally has DOUBLE the horsepower of the 250. Those are just the facts.

[powertoweight100]

@g3gtsboy thats true but, like i said the first time picture a 2stoke RS500GP bike racing that little GSXR 1000. Which it also has twice the power of the 250. Would you also like to talk about the (weight to power) ratio of a TSS RS500GP bike?

[coalandnuclear]

one your comparing a gp bike to a street legal bike. so if you want to compare gp bike thats fine, ill take 2009 fiat 800cc bike riden by rossi. by the way im all for bringing 2 strokes back instead of motogp. they enter twined them for a year or 2, but the strokers couldnt keep up

[powertoweight100]

@coalandnuclear yes GSXR1000 are street and so are Ninja ZX14s, your point? I was simply stating that big bore engines do not matter much, street legal or gp or what ever. GSXR1000 are gp as well.moto gp has plenty of those. 4stroke makes them street legal because they don't burn any oil.

[coalandnuclear]

what makes a gsxr 1000 street legal is the emmision equipment on it. moto gp bikes are not street legal. 2 stroke bikes can be street legal, just not as new bikes. there are plenty of old suzukis still running around with plates on them. also moto gp does not use gsxr 1000, they use gsv. its 800 not 1000. all moto gp are. wsb and ama superbike use 1000, they are based on stock production bikes, but are not street legal, and they are 4 stroke

[powertoweight100]

@coalandnuclear now how in the world would you know if the GSXR1000 thats racing the tz is even street legal. This is beginning to be a pointless discussion. Like I said from the very beginning big bore engines mean nothing when a 2T is around. Old or present. when i say that i mean Aprilia RS250 and the converted version TSS RS500GP do some homework on these bikes

[coalandnuclear]

agreed about 2 stroke having more power per cc, but you too need to do your homework, saying all 4 strokes are street legal is idiotic.

[powertoweight100]

When did I ever say (all) 4strokes where street legal? And how do you know this GSXR is street legal?

[coalandnuclear]

@powertoweight100 i quote you "4stroke makes them street legal because they don't burn any oil"i never said this gsxr was. also you are thinking that this 1000 rider is just as good as the 250 rider. 250cc 2strokes run about the same lap times as 600cc 4strokes. {with great riders} the 250 have about 90 hp and handle freaking awesome but the racing 600cc 4stroke can make up to 130 hp but dont handle quite as well.

[powertoweight100]

that means quote means much a 4stroke can be modified for street use. catalytic converter, fuel system, etc.. (My question is how do you know this GSXR1000 is street legal)??

[coalandnuclear]

i never said it was street legal, how do you know valentino rossi isnt riding the 250?

[Harno3]

Very nice!

[my4stnsr125]

「縁石でひざを擦る」ことをイメージして走るともっと早くなりま­すよ

[nobutery]

するどい！縁石に近づけないのは自分の欠点です。

[tyroneshoes1]

500 GP bikes faded away because the weren't getting faster and 250's were rapidly gaining on their lap times. That's when I stopped watching Motogp. But I have to disagree with petralakos. Their would be plenty of GP riders willing to step and ride a big 2stoke if it were competitive.

[stickshift4000]

Nice riding by both.

The gixxer thou is clearly slowing down so that it can film his mate on the 2-smoke in front.

[redlion237]

This clearly proves 2 strokes are true racing bikes, 4 strokes are shit! the Stupid eu laws proventing 2 strokes being made anymore should be abolished!!!

[cott10r]

nice riding fellas

[tyroneshoes1]

The reason the current 4 stroke gp bikes are faster than 2 stoke 500's is because they were limited to 500cc's. If a 750 2 stroke were allowed it would kill a 4 stroke.

[petralakos]

the reason is that a 500 2 stroke bike is very fast and very dificult to drive no engine brake low weight and more thats the reason ... a 500 2 stroke can be faster than 4 stroke 800 but who will drive it fast?

[ENRIQUEGOITIA]

imagine a 1000cc 2t motogp machine..damn that would be so uncontrolable. i mean if the old 500 could reach 320kph imagine doubling the power

[wdsmk7]

2 strokes r grt... really grt...

[Aguijon1982]

2 strokers are born to race.

4 strokes arent racers at all. They`re heavy and slow trash.

[fatmeteor]

and that is why the current 4 stroke moto gp bikes are lapping faster than the 500cc 2 strokes I suppose?

[ppinjuh]

Keep in mind the general level of technology used on both of the machines...

If you put all this modern machine and suspension gadgets on an old 2 stroke, you'll definitely get better lap times.

It's pure physics... 2 stroke makes the same power in half less time than the 4 stroke does ;)

[TrueStrengthClub]

@ppinjuh

i hope you realize power is the amount of work per time, so if it made the same power in half the time, well it would have double the power per one unit of time, pure physics...

[kwalovermick]

@TrueStrengthClub I think it would be more of a physics+mathematics play...

If our words were put to a formula, then:

4t: P=W/t

and 2t makes same work/power in half of the time: P=W/0,5t

...but if you see it through time as a fixed value in both formulas, for 2t you come to this: P=2W/t

Practically we said the same correct thing with different points of view, right? XD

[Bloodaxe1300]

@kwalovermick , Shut up Professor.

[Bloodaxe1300]

@kwalovermick , Shut up Professor.

[ppinjuh]

@TrueStrengthClub

Sorry, I forgot my friend was logged...so I answered with a wrong name. NHF ;-)

[racefactory900]

@ppinjuh sorry, but that tz250 will have all the latest in suspension but is still no match for the laptimes of a well ridden gsxr1000.

[goompy76]

see valves really are for toilets!

[bradajr]

I dont prefer 2strokes but this is awesome...

[31ufo]

4stroke is shit, 2 stroke 4ever

[rg500delta]

Both riders are flying. Fantastic video!!

[addys]

Awesome video, thank you for the upload. Those TZ250's are off the chain, unreal machines. Great riders too.

[choppersilver]

immagine a 1000cc two stroke!!

[berlinking51]

Moto GP 250cc ca: 110ps....

1000cc via GP... 400PS ....:-) 2stroke

[runisle]

Would kill anything on earth ;)

[berlinking51]

2stroke POWER..4ever ;)

[kartkidd]

to right mate

all the way

[tritop]

wow

[militivbzame]

The tz250 could be much faster from the aspect of cornering than the 1000 because it's heavier and the breaking distance is longer.But on the straigts however the bigger one is the winner.

[nuskaha]

what a truly brilliant video,you lads are great riders.

This is going on my favourites :-}

[kswdragon74]

both riders are very good

[acidangelster]

awesome vid.........I can see u made the vid cause u have loads of respect for an old two stroker!!! U re a true moto enthusiast....cheers!

[racefactory900]

good riders, nice and hard braking

[ricardo1687]

nice video love'd it ;) 2 stroke

[shinya1215]

My GOD, Motegi is a MOTOGP level track and its too small for a gixer? Then where can a gixer really run? just on highway? Then wats the difference between gixer with a funny y2k? Face the fact, race spec 2T bike is FAST!

[aluisious]

It's not too small for a Gixxer, this guy is just hitting straights at 5k rpm and rolling off when he catches his buddy.

[ryby1]

the gixer isent even going flat out half the time hes just holding the revs behind the 250

[timber020]

Great vid, nice riding

[criticalmass181]

I love the two bangers. It's a little humbling to have to chase a guy on a 1/4 litre bike, isn't it? Nice ride though, mate.

[15gordinho15]

parabens pra tz

deu mt trabalho...

[Krusti600]

2Stroke 4 ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ermestosobalatronca]

Do you know why that TZ is so fast?

First is Yamaha, and second...

IS A TWO STROKES ENGINE

[antiwonggalonggalo]

its fast coz its a tight track, and the lighter/more nimble bike can take the track better. the tz would pwn it all round except straights.

[ermestosobalatronca]

I know, still we are talking about a 250cc against a 1000cc.

[antiwonggalonggalo]

yep, a fast 250 @ that.

i had an 87 RZ250R, basicly a TZ in a steel frame, would sit next to most 750's in a straight line tho.

[MDR2]

Pretty good match up on that tight circuit!

[yashkaexpozhko]

this track is to small for litter gixer.

[2stroke4Me]

Please cut off 3 cilinders, weld the valves to the cilinderhead, modify your crankcase and put a carb on it and get a real exhaust. Maybe you will get descent power and a better sound.

[JDR81]

uhm, i am very sure the 1000 is just filming, he doesn't try to actually overtake :)

[laughsatposers]

um no...250's KILL 1000's on race tracks...

[Ad1T]

depend on how the circuit looks like

if it has a long straight 1000 will take it

if the circuit has some many hairpin,chamber and chicke then 250 might owned it

[brontosyamaha]

250s will always beat you...