The Director of the House of Theosophy, Bill Lambert, declares that the Roman Catholic Pope is going to be a "proper receptor" to the Antichrist and will be the Supreme Leader of the new global religion of the Antichrist. This part of the New World Order Plan labels the Pope as the Biblical False Prophet.
This video on transubstantiation has no basis at all. He compares a banana and an apple; yet forgets that one of them either the apple or banana needs to be God.
Lutherisms are just as heretical as all other churches under the protestant umbrella.
Christ is still on the cross in Catholic Churches, because if he did not die on the cross; then we'll all have hell to literally pay.
Repentance is only shown by penance. No man is sorry until he actually sheds a tear. Actions speak louder than words.
excuse me, how do i know that ur interpretations are true and correct? Oh i dont and cant...Sorry Ill put my faith in the Church Jesus Christ started, the Catholic Church. What authority by God do you have? That suddenly you are all knowing and know the right way to interpret scripture? I hope you trust yourself to never make a mistake with scripture..cuz if you do, you'll be ignorant of things that God wanted to tell you. Look this up, miracle at lanciano.
1 Cor. 11:30 - this verse alludes to the consequences of receiving the Eucharist unworthily. Receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus in mortal sin results in actual physical consequences to our bodies. Can symbolic things actually bring physical consequences to our bodies?
Cor. 11:27-29 - in these verses, Paul says that eating or drinking in an unworthy manner is the equivalent of profaning (literally, murdering) the body and blood of the Lord. If this is just a symbol, we cannot be guilty of actually profaning (murdering) it. We cannot murder a symbol. Either Paul, the divinely inspired apostle of God, is imposing an unjust penalty, or the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Christ.
Matt. 26:26; Mark. 14:22; Luke 22:19 - to deny the 2,000 year-old Catholic understanding of the Eucharist, Protestants must argue that Jesus was really saying "this represents (not is) my body and blood." However, Aramaic, the language that Jesus spoke, had over 30 words for "represent," but Jesus did not use any of them. He used the Aramaic word for "estin" which means "is."
Matt. 26:26; Mark. 14:22; Luke 22:19-20 - the Greek phrase is "Touto estin to soma mou." This phraseology means "this is actually" or "this is really" my body and blood.
1 Cor. 11:24 - the same translation is used by Paul - "touto mou estin to soma." The statement is "this is really" my body and blood. Nowhere in Scripture does God ever declare something without making it so.
Mark 4:34 - Jesus always explained to His disciples the real meanings of His teachings. He never would have let them go away with a false impression, most especially in regard to a question about eternal salvation.
John 3:5,11; Matt. 16:11-12 - here are some examples of Jesus correcting wrong impressions of His teaching. In the Eucharistic discourse, Jesus does not correct the scandalized disciples.
John 6:66-67 - many disciples leave Jesus, rejecting this literal interpretation that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. At this point, these disciples really thought Jesus had lost His mind. If they were wrong about the literal interpretation, why wouldn't Jesus, the Great Teacher, have corrected them? Why didn't Jesus say, "Hey, come back here, I was only speaking symbolically!"? Because they understood correctly.
John 6:55 - further, the phrases "real" food and "real" drink use the word "alethes." "Alethes" means "really" or "truly," and would only be used if there were doubts concerning the reality of Jesus' flesh and blood as being food and drink. Thus, Jesus is emphasizing the miracle of His body and blood being actual food and drink.
John 6:55 - to clarify further, Jesus says "For My Flesh is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed." This phrase can only be understood as being responsive to those who do not believe that Jesus' flesh is food indeed, and His blood is drink indeed.
John 6:54, 56, 57, 58 - He uses an even more literal verb, translated as "trogo," which means to gnaw or chew or crunch. He increases the literalness and drives his message home. Jesus will literally give us His flesh and blood to eat. The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (in Matt. 24:38 and John 13:18) and it always means to literally gnaw or chew meat.
John 6:23-53 - however, a symbolic interpretation is not plausible. Throughout these verses, the Greek text uses the word "phago" nine times. "Phago" literally means "to eat" or "physically consume." Like the Protestants of our day, the disciples take issue with Jesus' literal usage of "eat." So Jesus does what?
John 6:53 - 58 - Jesus does not correct their literal interpretation. Instead, Jesus eliminates any metaphorical interpretations by swearing an oath and being even more literal about eating His flesh. In fact, Jesus says four times we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. Catholics thus believe that Jesus makes present His body and blood in the sacrifice of the Mass. Protestants, if they are not going to become Catholic, can only argue that Jesus was somehow speaking symbolically.
@christianstudents You do not believe the substance is changed because you cannot sense it. This condition that you hold to is one that you have created. Does God really have to be limited in this way?
The consecration at every mass is not a re-sacrifice, it is an offering of the one sufficient sacrifice made by Christ at Calvary. Happy Easter
@christianstudents You do not believe the substance is changed because you cannot sense it. This condition that you hold to is one that you have created. Does God really have to be limited in this way?
The consecration at every mass is not a re-sacrifice, it is an offering of the one sufficient sacrifice made by Christ at Calvary. Happy Easter
The RCC teaches the "real presence of Jesus" Even RCC does not believe in Transubstantiation. The real teaching Christian teaching is that the body and blood are the spiritual body and blood of Christ. It is more than a symbol, or represents the body and blood. So spiritual works well. No one ever eat Jesus body or drank Jesus blood. That is against the OT. The real presence is spiritual not literal.
@supernatural2029 if the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church then why are not of their teachings in the book of Acts when the disciples were setting up churches. The rcc didn't come along til hundreds of years later and their teachings were forced on people through persecution and death, sort of like Islam.
@Risen1s Intresting which teachings are not in acts?
"The rcc didn't come along til hundreds of years later"
Humm "Wherever Jesus is there is the Catholic church" and "Whoever opposes the bishop does in reality serve the devil" ~ St Ignaius of Antioch 33-107 A.D. Ordained by Peter in Antioch and an understudy of John the apostle...he was there for the early christan church, adn is in fact a pillar of it mabey you should read his epistles.
@Risen1s "and their teachings were forced on people through persecution and death"
I think your confussing Catholics with Protestants.
"Heretics are not to be disputed with, but to be condemned unheard, and whilst they perish by fire, the faithful ought to pursue the evil to its source, and bathe their heads in the blood of the Catholic bishops, and of the Pope, who is the devil in disguise." ~ Martin luther...I challenge u to find anything remotley close to this from the Pope.
@Risen1s "the Catholic Church murdered over 50 million Christians... where is the confusion"
Intresting please one authoritative teaching(encyclical from the Pope or cannon of a council) from the church that says to kill anybody?....sry but the only church leader that taught to kill was, as I have shown Martin Luther, that is, the founder of the cult of protestantism.
No puedes entender la Biblia y la verdad que sobre la presencia de Cristo mejor lee los documentos de la Iglesia en vez lo que el pastor dice.. eres mexicano y como mexicano que pena que te unas a una secta de protestantes, ya que no has leido el catecismo de la Iglesia catolica, somos la unica iglesia cristiana con la presencia de Cristo hasta el final de los tiempos como dice Jesus, no es simbolico como los protestantes.
Awe we do believe Jesus' death WAS certainly enough. We do believe in His Salvation. It is simply too that we elaborate on our "acts" too in this world. How we live is a very big part of salvation. One cannot have faith alone and not have good acts and expect to be saved. Scripture backs it up continuously. This argument IS the fundamental difference b/w us and Protestants. The transformation is a mystery, but it is real. Sorry you do not believe so.
Jesus death was in vain if it was not the cross where salvation was one he had to die for all of mankind to save us from ours sins , the cross was where the victory over death was one not in Christ's rising. Also you talk of penance we repent to God of our sins to God so that he may cleanse us. Don't be twisted by protestant doctorines preach the truth
You say Catholics still have Jesus on a cross- Reason - The cross was were salvation was won it was not that Jesus rose it was his death on the cross the Bible says in 1 Corinthians 1:23 St Paul says ' we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles' and For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit . . . (NASB) 1 Peter 3:18
en lugar de pensar y ver en que puedo uno atacar a otro, deberiamos de unirnos, ya que todos (católicos, protestantes) somos cristianos, porque creemos en Cristo. A Dios le ha de dar mucha pena ver este tipo de separaciones entre sus hijos."El que dice amo a Dios, y no ama a su hermano, es un mentiroso". Debemos aprender a respetar, ya que ofendemos al mismisimo Jesucristo. el fundó su iglesia en Pedro, y muchos años despues el hombre separo la religion (lean la biblia). Gracias.
@aleisnice estaria de acuerdo si creeria que los Catolicos tubieran el evangelio, pero tristesamente, todavia no encuentro un catolico que cree en el evangelio. Mas de nada niegan la hobra de Dios, quando creen en purgatorio.
@TheScreamingSkull56 i have said all that i am going to say. You can be a baptist and NOT be a christian and you can be a catholic and not be a christian. that personal decision is always up to the individual not to the religion., Christ saves you not the religion. that is all i am going to say on this issue.
you remind me of the pharisees who asked for a visible evidence to Jesus to prove that he was what he claimed to be, the son of God. And he refused to such petition. Oh and you also remind me of those deciples who waked away and turned their backs to Jesus when he said " that who ever that did not eat his flesh or drink his blood would not inherit eternal life" They were shocked just like you, they might'ev thought, "this guys is crazy" just like you think of the "bread and wine" that turn into
@TRA4BKRAD I believe in Jesus and all the miracles he did and can do today and what he taught. I am objecting as to how you and the Roman Catholic Church are interpreting the text. I think you need to be born again.
Matt 26:26 Take eat, this IS my Body. Take drink this IS my blood. He did not say this "represents" my body, or this is "figuratively" my body. < The keyword being "IS"
So then, either Jesus Christ is lying (and it's not possible for GOD to lie by the way) "or" you and the other protestant liars are lying. Personally I believe Jesus Christ's words in Matt 26:26 you and others should have learned that lesson from EVE (when she believed the serpents words over GODS word)
@jofo817 I believe in God's word, Its just you interpret the text different than I do. I am challenging how roman catholics view Transubstantiation. When Jesus did miracles, they really happen. when he raised the dead, it really happens. I don't pretend it happens. Can show me a priest that can tun the wafer into flesh on a weekly basis? not figuratevly but literaly ?
@christianstudents Oh ye of such little FAITH. Transubstantiation was a difficult concept to me to grasp, at first. But if you pray before the Blessed Sacrament and open your heart to Jesus, you will feel him present within it. In the moment it is consecrated, it ceases to be bread and wine and becomes our Lord's Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity. This great mystery of Christendom has been occuring for almost 2000 years.
Faith will tell us Christ is present, when our human senses fail.
@petruscephas Actualy this video should have been called, why I am going to heaven because I depend on the grace of God through Christ shed blood on the cross and He alone saves.
It is impossible to love Christ while rejecting his body which is the Church.
It is impossible to separate his body, the Church, from the head, who is Christ.
Christ shed his blood not only to provide for the forgiveness of sins, but also that his Church be formed on earth in order to carry out his command that the gospel be shared with all mankind.
It is impossible to love Christ while hating the only Church he founded, which is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
@petruscephas The church is not the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The church is the body of believers who hold fast to, like i said, the grace of God through Christ shed blood on the cross. He did not establish the priesthood. that was finished on the cross. that is in Heb. If you read the book of Acts, there were no cathlic rites. the only order Jesus gave was the great commission Mat. 28:19&20 and Mk 16:15. Acts makes not mention of the Priesthood being established or the praying to mary.
@petruscephas I do not follow a church that says it is the onlyway and the only true church to God. the wwcog claims this, the LDS church claims this, the JW's claim this just to name a few. They all say what you say, "unless you accept our church, our church doctrine and have Christ, you cannot be saved". Eph. 8&9 says that grace is a free gift and we are saved not by works least anyman should boast. Each born again Christian has the Holy Spirit and He leads and directs us.
@petruscephas I believe catholics can and are christians. but they are not saved because they are catholic, just as a baptist is not saved because they are baptist. we are all saved, catholic, baptist, lutherin etc. by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ alone. He saves.
@minpinlover26 most catholics are not saved, because they haven't trusted in the real Jesus. If they trust in Him and believe that he can fully pay for their sins (not partially as purgatory doctrine claims) they can be saved. absolutely!!
@christianstudents if a catholic knows jesus personally and enters into a personal relationship withe him then they are saved. when i went to Bible College one of the books we read was by a catholic who did have a personal relationship with the Lord. Like you said. most catholics are not saved. but like i said. being catholic is not what saves you. it is a personal relationship with jesus. you can be a baptist and not be saved just as you can be catholic and be saved.
Your understanding of "substance" is awful. You need to read up on the difference between "substance" and "accident". When the bread is transubstantiated in the Precious Body, its accidents (ie. the flour, water, sugar, etc.) are still unchanged. The substance of a thing is not necessarily reflected in its accidents. And believe it or not, you do actually believe in substance -- you just may not realize it.
And only the church of the east (eastern catholicos aka assyrians) are till today do not have images of jesus or statues of saints and angels in church.
Self-appointed freelance Bible interpreters are easily misguided by pride, as if they know better than the teachings of the Church. At the Last Supper Jesus took the bread and said THIS IS my body. He took the cup and said THIS IS my blood". The accidents of bread and wine remain yet it becomes the Body and Blood of Christ. If you lived in the time of Jesus, you would see Jesus the man, yet He was and still is God. His flesh does avail much. Be not another doubting Thomas...
It is so interesting that he attributes the dichotomy of conscience implicit in the insistance that the substance of the [Kingdom of God] is profane bread, and not that which God has provided (Jesus Christ) True Christians are not those that are satisfied with the bread of this world, (for you ate of the loaves and were filled) but those who possess Jesus Christ, that true bread from Heaven. You bake loaves to the Queen of Heaven, The King of Babylon will come upon you, in the Four Horsemen.
@christianstudents Catholics do not believe in transubstantiation. Do not get that confused. It is merely a suggestion on how it happens. The Church does believe in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist, but does not admit to know on how that happens. Transubstantiation is a metaphysical change. You clearly have no philosophical background. You are a misled soul, I will pray for you. You have lost sight of many things on your way to the conclusion you have drawn.
ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST, APOSTOLIC CHURCH PROVIDES ALL SACRAMENTS AND THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE - OF THE LIVING GOD - THE BREAD OF LIFE IN THE EUCHARIST!
WITH 2,000 YEARS OF TRADITION AND SACRIFICES OF CHRISTIANS TODAY WE KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE AND SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST IS.
MANY PROPHECIES AND VISIONARIES.
THE REAL MIRACLES, EFFECTIVE EXORCISMS, INCCORUPT BODIES OF SAINTS,
@christianstudents you present arguments for why you do not believe in transubstantiation and according to your arguments, they make sense at first.
Catholics are not the only ones who believe this bread and wine is the body and blood of Christ. Many Protestant denominations also believe this.
What do the passages mean to you? John 6:50-65? Do the apostles not grumble about the same thing you are arguing? Does Jesus not ask them if they are going to go away as well? How much faith do you have?
@MrChristianBeliever ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST, APOSTOLIC CHURCH PROVIDES ALL SACRAMENTS AND THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE - OF THE LIVING GOD - THE BREAD OF LIFE IN THE EUCHARIST!
WITH 2,000 YEARS OF TRADITION AND SACRIFICES OF CHRISTIANS TODAY WE KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE AND SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST IS.
MANY PROPHECIES AND VISIONARIES.
THE REAL MIRACLES, EFFECTIVE EXORCISMS, INCCORUPT BODIES OF SAINTS,
We're not talking about an apple. Think about it this way: it would be easy for God to physically change the wine and bread into blood and flesh. There are actually scientific miracles that provide a basis for miracles of this, do some research. We will keep believing, don't try to break our faith. Because when you are on your deathbed, you may turn your decision that there is a God and transubstantiation. Where reason has reached its limit, only faith can go beyond.
Yep; I agree: The RCC is a pathological lying church. Transubstantiation "miracle type" as understood by the RCC is abomination e.g. did Jesus ever turn water into wine under the appearance of it remaining water? Did He ever open the eyes of a blind man under the appearance of the man remaining blind? To deny that the miracle ever took place at all will be common sense, not faith at all. Jesus' disciples believed Him after they SAW THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCES of His miraculous works. The RCC is evil.
So does that mean that when Christ told the Disciples that the Bread was his body and the Wine was his Blood that he was lying?
The Eucharist and the Wine at Mass become the Body and the Blood of Christ that saved us.. Christ at the last supper told us to DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME.
You have no understanding of metaphysics my friend, nor Transubstantiation. The priest changes nothing, it is all the work of the Trinity. It is a double miracle.
We Catholics receive that PERPETUAL sign, as receiving Christ Himself. Is not the physical matter of bread and wine what makes it Holy, but HIS PRESENCE in the form HE chose to leave to us. We believe in the Eucharist NOTHING MORE OR LESS than as SAINT PAUL believed: "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the BLOOD OF CHRIST? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the BODY OF CHRIST?"
Transubstantiation is Mysticism. Both Roman Catholic and Orthodox are involved in Babylonian Mysticism. Listen to me brother. Christ died ONCE and was resurrected from death to life.. Christ's Sacrifice for you and me is finished. IT is DONE. WHy
in the world do these Babylonian Institutions continue to sacrifice Christ over and
@afzpuppet When considering the Mass, we cannot contain it to our earthly experiences, because it quite literally is a meeting of heaven and earth. The sacrifice of the Mass is often called the unbloody sacrifice, because it re-presents the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross that happened 2000 years ago, but is for all time.
@ilikesultanas At the consecration, we are literally transported to the foot of the cross, where the one sacrifice was made for all. So we are not repeatedly sacrificing Christ. I think many Catholic theological points are so hard to grasp because they are based in the divine reality that we have never experienced - where laws of time and appearance are not insuperable.
i'm from middle eastern Catholic Christian and we too can trace our believe in the Euchrist and have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior in the First Century by St. thomas. So, please get yourself some real education in Catholicism. Catholicism or me for that matter i can challenge any one who thinks that Catholicism does not go by the Bible. we too can use only bible and demonstrate according to my language Assyrian-Aramaic. so think your english or greek with save your argument.
This is the bread that came down from Heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever." John 6:53-59.
"Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and i will rise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my body and drink my blood abide in me and I in them. Just as the living father sent me, and i live because of the father, so whoever eats me will live because of me.
Have you ever taken any sort of Theology class, or read the Catechism of the Catholic church. You clearly do not know what the Church teaches. I would suggest getting informed before you continue to post videos that misrepresent the Church.
@christianstudents You must be incredibly ignorant of Church History. I mean really ignorant. If you knew even a little bit about it, you would know that the Catholic Church is CLEARLY the only Church that has existed since the time of Christ. To believe otherwise is to just lie to yourself. What is your stumbling block to The One True Faith of Catholicism? Read. Learn. Educate Yourself. Then come join The One True Faith. The Catholic Church is waiting for you!
@ChristianFirefighter...tthe fact that you're a catholic, trusting and depending your faith to men is an act of ignorant...the church that you worship has gone way off of what the scripture says, who's the ignorant...what once good in the beginning does not mean you have to follow it forever....especially when they deliberately changed the true teachings of Christ....Educate your self...survey says 92% of catholics don't read the bible..who's the real ignorant here?
@dkuncara Wow dude. Are you going to live out your entire life in complete ignorance, or are you going to join The One True Faith and become Catholic? Stop accepting only a shadow of the Faith, and start belonging to Fullness of the Faith! The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Do it now! I mean right now!
@ChristianFirefighter...please free yourself from depending on the wrong church bro...Christ awaits you...come back where you supposed to be...let go of those money making dogmas by the vatican....not worth it!!!
Even Jesus never taught us to pray to God thru Moses/Elijah/anyone....come as you are, for you've been cleansed by the blood of Christ, the only way to receive justification, not thru some church....GBU
@dkuncara You have to start being honest with yourself and face the clear and plain Truth. You belong to a separated band of christians that have split over and over again. There are now over 35,000 protestant "churches" who disagree with each other on some major teaching of the faith. What a freaking mess. No Christ Ordered Papal Leadership = A Wide Range Of Theological Errors. If you can still look at the facts and believe otherwise, you are just lying to yourself. Why do you lie to yourself?
TRUTH IS GREATER THAN LIES: READ ... Tertullian A.D. 200: If you are near Italy, you have Rome where authority is at hand for us too." Clement to James A.D. 221:Be it known that Simon was set apart to be the foundation of the Church by Jesus himself." Cyprian of Carthage A.D. 251:If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?
First of....those writings are not God's inspired and I believe in SOLA SCRIPTURA...second, even the authors of those writings would not agree on many catholic's dogma that evolved later on such as purgatory, marian doctrines, etc.
Matthew 16:18-21 clear talks about Peter's proclamation of who Jesus is, and Jesus is the rock, the foundation of a true church...Petra and Petros are two different words.....Isaiah 44:8
@ChristianFirefighter ..35,000 or 99,000 denominations are not the problem, we do not want to make the samw mistake again by putting so much authority on a single church. Out of those 35,000, I'm sure that few of them are not even the true Christian, the way to distinguish a good church from the bad ones is: Sola Fide; Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, Solo Chirsto; Soli Deo Gloria....Now, let's examine the RCC...are you sure that you catholics are united?
@ChristianFirefighter ...Ask a few catholics out that...How can one be justified to enter the Kingdom of heaven?....you'll be amazed on how confused catholics are...you'll also find out how united you guys are....Christianity teaches and enables us to do good works because we have been saved and justified first...Catholicism on the hand teaches that we need to do good works in order to be saved....Therefore, catholicism can not be Christians
Hahahaha. Wrong Both the Catholic church and protestant church teaches that we are saved by the grace of God through the act of his son dying on the cross my friend. God justifies us by our faith and our works both which comes from the grace of God which is why in jamese 2:26 he says faith without works is dead and that faith and works work together to justify us to God
@brandonying ...James Ch2 explains the differences between one with faith and one without...but justification is based on faith and faith alone, you have to read the whole new testament. God can not contradict Himself. Eph 2, Romans Romans 3:28, 5:1. Besides, the works mentioned in James 2 is not those sacraments taught by the RCC, rather works that surround one's life on a daily basis...do you have the real faith?....or is it just your mouth talking?....your works don't justify, your faith does
Read James 2:14-26 and tell me what you think? Faith alone? The bible never says that for it's unbiblical and a man made teaching. You see that a man is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. Catholics believe that we are Justified by our faith and our works however our faith and our works are not our own as they are given by the grace of God. So we don't believe that we are saved by work, we believed that we are saved by the grace of God which acts through our faith+works
@brandonying ...The Bible states that "everyone who believes is justified" (Acts 13:39), the sinner is justified “through faith” (Romans 3:25), “justified by faith” (Romans 3:28), God justifies “by faith” and “through faith” (Romans 3:30), “justified by faith” (Romans 5:1); a man is justified “by faith” and “justified by faith” (Galatians 2:16), God justifies “by faith” (Galatians 3:8), righteousness is “through faith” and “by faith” (Philippians 3:9).
Does any of those passage teach faith ALONE? No for we are not justified by faith alone but by faith which is an inward sign of God's grace working through us and works which is an outward sign of his grace working through us.
Therefore We are saved by Grace through Faith and works
You see dkuncara the Catholic church does not teach that we are saved by faith or by works. Rather we teach that we are saved by the grace of God through the act of his son on the cross. There's nothing that we can do to merit that grace for it is a free gift.
Here's Where Protestants and Catholic part, on Justification. Justification is when God declares a person Righteous . You see that Catholics believed that we are justified by faith and by works which justifies us only by grace
Therefore, the Catholic church teaches that our good works can't merit our salvation for it is a gift of grace. However we do teach that when that grace of God works through us, we have our faith and our works. Understand?
@brandonying ...I plead with you to prayerfully read and study the relevant Bible passages that explain the doctrine of justification (at least Romans chapters 1 to 4; Letter to Galatians and Philippians chapter 3). I pray that you will understand the Gospel of justification by faith alone, so that you would throw away the crutches of human works and merit, and with the hands of faith embrace the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour. There is no other way to be right with God.
I have dkuncara. And i've come to the conclusion that the Catholic view on justification is the biblical view of justification which is by faith and works made possible on by the grace of God through the works of his son Jesus christ on the cross.
@brandonying ...How much works? How many sacraments?...r u sure that you've done enough...oh wait...you do believe in purgatory...so...never mind then
That's not true.. JESUS even said that it was his 'true' body & blood. God is capable of all things.
In acts 2:42, the "doctrine of breaking bread" is mentioned. What is this? What are paul's words in 1cor10:16-17? 1cor11:23-29? What is Heb10:19-20?; the "veil" here is Jesus' true presence behind the veil of bread.
In capernaum in Jn6, Jesus even says that the bread he "will" give will be the bread for the world b/c it is indeed Himself. His true presence "in" the bread & wine
Wine symbolizes the blood and the bread the body...communion is supposed to be for remembrance of what happened on the last supper 2000 years ago....but the eucharist clearly states that it is the literal sacrifice the same as the crucifixion being done over and over again, this is just wrong, the bible says there can only be one sacrifice...Heb 10:18
Who left YOU in charge of Christianity? Christ said "This is my Body," not as YOU say, this "overshadows" or "symbolizes" my Body. I would advise you look to what the Church teaches; NOT to what YOU say. You write as an IDOLATER of your own opinion! 1 Timothy 3:15 says that the pillar of truth is the Church, not YOU!
HEIL! CONSTANTINE ! HEIL! CONSTANTINE ! hisrtory and arqueology proves 100% that constantine is the father and founder of the roman catolic sect in the yr 313 ,and dont forget that constantine built the basilica of st peter , and canstantine changed the saturday for SUNday , because he said that the sun was god ,
To the guy in the video. Are you athiest or Protestant?
If you are athiest the video makes sense. As religion is a matter of faith and lots it will seem nonsense to the athiests.
However if you are protestant then you should know that Jesus the God has the power to transform bread and wine into his body and blood while leaving them in the form of bread and wine so that we can eat them.
Transubstantiation was a term chosen to describe the dogma opposed by heterodox groups of antiquity. The church has believed it to be the body and blood of Christ as 1 cent. writing prove.
The symbolic view was brought into mainstream by Zwingli and Clavin. Zwingli taling one verse out of John 6, built his dogma.
There is not one word or phrase in the scriptures which bluntly state or allude to the symbolic view.
Oh -- what you say on "penance" is inaccurate, too. We're not saved via penance; sins are forgiven by Christ. Penance is the natural reaction to Christ's forgiveness, and it's Scriptural, too! Read Luke 19:8 ... Zaccheus' reaction to Christ is *penance* -- he offers to *do* something, in response to Christ's acceptance of him. Catholics don't believe that penance is what forgives sins, or that penance is what brings salvation. Know what Catholicism says first, before you critique it!
study what your church says about justification....by saying that penance is not part of justification, you are automatically condemned by your own church....please study council of trent, I&II vatican council, and catholic catechism.... Know what catholicism says first, before you defend it!!
Transubstantiation isn't a *doctrine*; that the Eucharist is the Body & Blood of Christ *is*. Transub. is the answer to the question "how does this happen?", and isn't doctrinal. Nonetheless, you're misunderstanding it -- it's Aquinas' philosophical explanation, based on ancient Greek philosophical notions of "essence" (what something really is) and "accident" (the physical appearance of a thing). So, if you want to argue against this, you need to avoid discussions of how things *appear*.
How would you chemically prove Jesus was God when He was on Earth? Would you deny the Incarnation?
It's possible the heresy of consubstation is popular in the Church, it doesn't mean that is what the Church teaches. Most people are poorly catechized or are conscious heretics.
Christ is sacrificed once and that is sufficient. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass connects the event 2000 years ago and today. Time is not linear. It is the unbloody re-presentation of the bloody sacrifice on the Cross.
When Jesus was tempted by Satan, He was ask to turn stones into bread, Jesus said man shall LIVE, key word LIVE by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God!!!! Jesus is the WORD OF GOD, so when you read Gods word you eat Jesus Spiritually. We do not eat the flesh of God phyisically. That is a false teaching!!!!Rev 17:16 says they will eat the flesh of the great whore. Is that lit. to. NO!!!!Wake up Catholics and Be born again, before you go to Hell!!!!
Jeus in John 6 says those who come to me will never be hungery and those who believe in me will never be thiristy. Then at the end of the chapter he say these words are spiritual. This proves it is symbolic. Why eat Jesus if at the Cross He said it is finished. It's either literal or spiritual not both. Keep preaching the Truth my Friend
Re-read John 6:51-63. Show us where it says it is symbolic? We don't worship a symbol, we worship God Incarnate Who gives us His flesh for food and His blood for drink.
John 6: 53- Jesus therefore said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, ye have not life in yourselves.
John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they heard this, said, This is a hard saying; who can hear it?
this guy is ridiculous. im not even going to listen to it all the way through "Transubstantiation....try saying that a couple time." he sounds stupid, no scriptural verses. and both video responses just destroy this guy. jesuss said this is my body...not this is like my body.....google "miracle of lanciano" and say its not real....along with all the scriptural references supporting it
The Lutheran Church actually teaches the Sacramental Union or "Real Presence" of Christ in, with, and under the bread and wine in communion. They do not teach consubstantiation which says that the body and blood are alongside the bread and win.
Luther's position is that the Bible says that we receive Bread, Wine, the Body, and Blood in communion. This IS my body...this IS my blood.
Anglicans and Eastern Orthodox leave the Real Presence as a Mystery and don't try to explain it philosophically. If I wasn't a Catholic, I'd adhere to this ambiguity. Some things are just too big to understand and study to any real meaning and just lead to confusion.
But the Church teaches transubstantiation and so I believe it. But even if you don't make the distinction between accidents and substance, God is there, the Bread and Wine are truly the Body and Blood of Christ.
"But the Church teaches transubstantiation and so I believe it." - this is the definition of ignorance and stupidity. you actually admit that you believe something only because the church teaches it, this is insanely stupid and very dangerous.
My point was that the vast majority of Christians accept the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. EO and Anglicans don't try to define the Real Presence but the Catholic Church defines it more specifically, using the philosophical terminology of "accidents" and "substances". The "accidents", or characteristics, are of bread and wine; but the "substances" are of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.
It looks like mere bread, but it is actually the Bread of Heaven; it looks like mere wine, but it is actually the Precious Blood. The Eucharist is imbued with Christ's Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity which we consume in order to become more like Christ, to be one with Him.
Zwingli came along and denied the Real Presence because of his personal lack of faith in what God could do. He said that Jesus couldn't have meant that at the Last Supper because then He'd be at two places at once. Seriously? Almighty Creator of the Universe has difficulty with this? Then other Protestants since then have latched onto Zwingli's lack of faith.
Why deny what Christ said simply because some people have a problem believing it? Most people believe it, it has been taught in the Church from the very beginning and Christ Himself was clear. So much so that the other disciples ran away when Jesus told them about the Eucharist. (John 6)
Why do we believe Jesus?
"Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life." (Jn 6:68, KJV)
Define "know it's true". Do you think that knowledge just appears in our brains randomly or does *experience* come into effect? I believe in Jesus not just because the Church taught me. I wasn't always Christian. I was actually very anti-Christian until a few years ago.
But my experience tells me to trust God and to trust His Church. Communion can't be expressed in words, it's communing with the Almighty Creator of the Universe. If you're missing out because of skepticism, I'm sorry.
if it was your experience then you would be able to tell me what that experience is, and you automatically would. it wasn't experience though, was it?
I do not know if you are an atheist or fundamentalist. Does not matter; that is why it's called faith. The communists believed in science and logic: look where it got them. Millions died when ethics goes out the window right along with religion. Today modern science believe in abortion, euthanasia, and all that to bring down global warming: a farce that is backed up by "science." Once scientists believed the continents of the earth were stationary- now all believe in tectonic plates.
wow, you equate science and logic with communism and then blame science and logic for all the bad communism did! then you claim that science beleives in things! how crazy is that! then you bring up an example of people using science to expand knowledge like its a bad thing!
science can go either way, depending on who sees it, i.e. nuclear power that can either be a bomb or light up your house. You missed my point once again. Religion tapers science to guide it for useful purposes. Science not bound by ethics and morals, makes expansion of knowledge run into a dangerous areas- like GMO foods, cloning, bio-weapons, etc.Nazi scientists experimented on Jews to expand "knowledge," I hope you would say this is bad. I do not take a "it's all good" approach.
now you are equating science with the nazis? yeah, thats it. nazism was science withour religion to guide it! without religoin, science ran amok and killed millions of jews! bastard science!
"I don't think Roman Catholics get to eat the bread."
Hmm... good example of how much research went to this :) The cup was withheld from laypeople for much of the Middle Ages in response to a heresy that Christ's Body was present only in the host (bread) and Christ's Blood was present only the cup (wine). In fact, Christ is fully present under both forms, since Christ cannot be divided, just as his Body, the Church, cannot be divided (as much as we try).
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GokyBoo 2 weeks ago
Catholics have the sacrifice at the mass because we are asked to do this in rememberance of him.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
This video on transubstantiation has no basis at all. He compares a banana and an apple; yet forgets that one of them either the apple or banana needs to be God.
Lutherisms are just as heretical as all other churches under the protestant umbrella.
Christ is still on the cross in Catholic Churches, because if he did not die on the cross; then we'll all have hell to literally pay.
Repentance is only shown by penance. No man is sorry until he actually sheds a tear. Actions speak louder than words.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
excuse me, how do i know that ur interpretations are true and correct? Oh i dont and cant...Sorry Ill put my faith in the Church Jesus Christ started, the Catholic Church. What authority by God do you have? That suddenly you are all knowing and know the right way to interpret scripture? I hope you trust yourself to never make a mistake with scripture..cuz if you do, you'll be ignorant of things that God wanted to tell you. Look this up, miracle at lanciano.
desouzaj 4 months ago
1 Cor. 11:30 - this verse alludes to the consequences of receiving the Eucharist unworthily. Receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus in mortal sin results in actual physical consequences to our bodies. Can symbolic things actually bring physical consequences to our bodies?
gtepp031387 6 months ago
Cor. 11:27-29 - in these verses, Paul says that eating or drinking in an unworthy manner is the equivalent of profaning (literally, murdering) the body and blood of the Lord. If this is just a symbol, we cannot be guilty of actually profaning (murdering) it. We cannot murder a symbol. Either Paul, the divinely inspired apostle of God, is imposing an unjust penalty, or the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Christ.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
Matt. 26:26; Mark. 14:22; Luke 22:19 - to deny the 2,000 year-old Catholic understanding of the Eucharist, Protestants must argue that Jesus was really saying "this represents (not is) my body and blood." However, Aramaic, the language that Jesus spoke, had over 30 words for "represent," but Jesus did not use any of them. He used the Aramaic word for "estin" which means "is."
gtepp031387 6 months ago
Matt. 26:26; Mark. 14:22; Luke 22:19-20 - the Greek phrase is "Touto estin to soma mou." This phraseology means "this is actually" or "this is really" my body and blood.
1 Cor. 11:24 - the same translation is used by Paul - "touto mou estin to soma." The statement is "this is really" my body and blood. Nowhere in Scripture does God ever declare something without making it so.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
Mark 4:34 - Jesus always explained to His disciples the real meanings of His teachings. He never would have let them go away with a false impression, most especially in regard to a question about eternal salvation.
John 3:5,11; Matt. 16:11-12 - here are some examples of Jesus correcting wrong impressions of His teaching. In the Eucharistic discourse, Jesus does not correct the scandalized disciples.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
John 6:66-67 - many disciples leave Jesus, rejecting this literal interpretation that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. At this point, these disciples really thought Jesus had lost His mind. If they were wrong about the literal interpretation, why wouldn't Jesus, the Great Teacher, have corrected them? Why didn't Jesus say, "Hey, come back here, I was only speaking symbolically!"? Because they understood correctly.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
John 6:55 - further, the phrases "real" food and "real" drink use the word "alethes." "Alethes" means "really" or "truly," and would only be used if there were doubts concerning the reality of Jesus' flesh and blood as being food and drink. Thus, Jesus is emphasizing the miracle of His body and blood being actual food and drink.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
John 6:55 - to clarify further, Jesus says "For My Flesh is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed." This phrase can only be understood as being responsive to those who do not believe that Jesus' flesh is food indeed, and His blood is drink indeed.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
John 6:54, 56, 57, 58 - He uses an even more literal verb, translated as "trogo," which means to gnaw or chew or crunch. He increases the literalness and drives his message home. Jesus will literally give us His flesh and blood to eat. The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (in Matt. 24:38 and John 13:18) and it always means to literally gnaw or chew meat.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
John 6:23-53 - however, a symbolic interpretation is not plausible. Throughout these verses, the Greek text uses the word "phago" nine times. "Phago" literally means "to eat" or "physically consume." Like the Protestants of our day, the disciples take issue with Jesus' literal usage of "eat." So Jesus does what?
gtepp031387 6 months ago
John 6:53 - 58 - Jesus does not correct their literal interpretation. Instead, Jesus eliminates any metaphorical interpretations by swearing an oath and being even more literal about eating His flesh. In fact, Jesus says four times we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. Catholics thus believe that Jesus makes present His body and blood in the sacrifice of the Mass. Protestants, if they are not going to become Catholic, can only argue that Jesus was somehow speaking symbolically.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
Thumbs up if your a proud Catholic.
villian714 9 months ago 2
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origvidman 9 months ago
well... I'M CATHOLIC :)
DarwynxRivver 10 months ago
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@christianstudents You do not believe the substance is changed because you cannot sense it. This condition that you hold to is one that you have created. Does God really have to be limited in this way?
The consecration at every mass is not a re-sacrifice, it is an offering of the one sufficient sacrifice made by Christ at Calvary. Happy Easter
jdk0711 10 months ago
@christianstudents You do not believe the substance is changed because you cannot sense it. This condition that you hold to is one that you have created. Does God really have to be limited in this way?
The consecration at every mass is not a re-sacrifice, it is an offering of the one sufficient sacrifice made by Christ at Calvary. Happy Easter
jdk0711 10 months ago
The RCC teaches the "real presence of Jesus" Even RCC does not believe in Transubstantiation. The real teaching Christian teaching is that the body and blood are the spiritual body and blood of Christ. It is more than a symbol, or represents the body and blood. So spiritual works well. No one ever eat Jesus body or drank Jesus blood. That is against the OT. The real presence is spiritual not literal.
MRGV7373 10 months ago
the roman catholic church is the true church and the old church before any protestant church.. the heresy of Luther was telling sola scriptura.
supernatural2029 10 months ago
@supernatural2029 if the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church then why are not of their teachings in the book of Acts when the disciples were setting up churches. The rcc didn't come along til hundreds of years later and their teachings were forced on people through persecution and death, sort of like Islam.
Risen1s 8 months ago
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@Risen1s Intresting which teachings are not in acts?
"The rcc didn't come along til hundreds of years later"
Humm "Wherever Jesus is there is the Catholic church" and "Whoever opposes the bishop does in reality serve the devil" ~ St Ignaius of Antioch 33-107 A.D. Ordained by Peter in Antioch and an understudy of John the apostle...he was there for the early christan church, adn is in fact a pillar of it mabey you should read his epistles.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@Risen1s "and their teachings were forced on people through persecution and death"
I think your confussing Catholics with Protestants.
"Heretics are not to be disputed with, but to be condemned unheard, and whilst they perish by fire, the faithful ought to pursue the evil to its source, and bathe their heads in the blood of the Catholic bishops, and of the Pope, who is the devil in disguise." ~ Martin luther...I challenge u to find anything remotley close to this from the Pope.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387 the Catholic Church murdered over 50 million Christians... where is the confusion
Risen1s 6 months ago
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@Risen1s "the Catholic Church murdered over 50 million Christians... where is the confusion"
Intresting please one authoritative teaching(encyclical from the Pope or cannon of a council) from the church that says to kill anybody?....sry but the only church leader that taught to kill was, as I have shown Martin Luther, that is, the founder of the cult of protestantism.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
No puedes entender la Biblia y la verdad que sobre la presencia de Cristo mejor lee los documentos de la Iglesia en vez lo que el pastor dice.. eres mexicano y como mexicano que pena que te unas a una secta de protestantes, ya que no has leido el catecismo de la Iglesia catolica, somos la unica iglesia cristiana con la presencia de Cristo hasta el final de los tiempos como dice Jesus, no es simbolico como los protestantes.
supernatural2029 10 months ago
Awe we do believe Jesus' death WAS certainly enough. We do believe in His Salvation. It is simply too that we elaborate on our "acts" too in this world. How we live is a very big part of salvation. One cannot have faith alone and not have good acts and expect to be saved. Scripture backs it up continuously. This argument IS the fundamental difference b/w us and Protestants. The transformation is a mystery, but it is real. Sorry you do not believe so.
joeyamg 1 year ago
Jesus death was in vain if it was not the cross where salvation was one he had to die for all of mankind to save us from ours sins , the cross was where the victory over death was one not in Christ's rising. Also you talk of penance we repent to God of our sins to God so that he may cleanse us. Don't be twisted by protestant doctorines preach the truth
just1inchrist 1 year ago
You say Catholics still have Jesus on a cross- Reason - The cross was were salvation was won it was not that Jesus rose it was his death on the cross the Bible says in 1 Corinthians 1:23 St Paul says ' we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles' and For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit . . . (NASB) 1 Peter 3:18
just1inchrist 1 year ago
Christ is not interested in illegal beaners so you are OK.
madisonelectronic 1 year ago
Hola,
en lugar de pensar y ver en que puedo uno atacar a otro, deberiamos de unirnos, ya que todos (católicos, protestantes) somos cristianos, porque creemos en Cristo. A Dios le ha de dar mucha pena ver este tipo de separaciones entre sus hijos."El que dice amo a Dios, y no ama a su hermano, es un mentiroso". Debemos aprender a respetar, ya que ofendemos al mismisimo Jesucristo. el fundó su iglesia en Pedro, y muchos años despues el hombre separo la religion (lean la biblia). Gracias.
aleisnice 1 year ago
@aleisnice estaria de acuerdo si creeria que los Catolicos tubieran el evangelio, pero tristesamente, todavia no encuentro un catolico que cree en el evangelio. Mas de nada niegan la hobra de Dios, quando creen en purgatorio.
christianstudents 1 year ago
@TheScreamingSkull56 i have said all that i am going to say. You can be a baptist and NOT be a christian and you can be a catholic and not be a christian. that personal decision is always up to the individual not to the religion., Christ saves you not the religion. that is all i am going to say on this issue.
minpinlover26 1 year ago
you remind me of the pharisees who asked for a visible evidence to Jesus to prove that he was what he claimed to be, the son of God. And he refused to such petition. Oh and you also remind me of those deciples who waked away and turned their backs to Jesus when he said " that who ever that did not eat his flesh or drink his blood would not inherit eternal life" They were shocked just like you, they might'ev thought, "this guys is crazy" just like you think of the "bread and wine" that turn into
TRA4BKRAD 1 year ago
@TRA4BKRAD I believe in Jesus and all the miracles he did and can do today and what he taught. I am objecting as to how you and the Roman Catholic Church are interpreting the text. I think you need to be born again.
christianstudents 1 year ago
Matt 26:26 Take eat, this IS my Body. Take drink this IS my blood. He did not say this "represents" my body, or this is "figuratively" my body. < The keyword being "IS"
So then, either Jesus Christ is lying (and it's not possible for GOD to lie by the way) "or" you and the other protestant liars are lying. Personally I believe Jesus Christ's words in Matt 26:26 you and others should have learned that lesson from EVE (when she believed the serpents words over GODS word)
jofo817 1 year ago
@jofo817 I believe in God's word, Its just you interpret the text different than I do. I am challenging how roman catholics view Transubstantiation. When Jesus did miracles, they really happen. when he raised the dead, it really happens. I don't pretend it happens. Can show me a priest that can tun the wafer into flesh on a weekly basis? not figuratevly but literaly ?
christianstudents 1 year ago
@christianstudents Oh ye of such little FAITH. Transubstantiation was a difficult concept to me to grasp, at first. But if you pray before the Blessed Sacrament and open your heart to Jesus, you will feel him present within it. In the moment it is consecrated, it ceases to be bread and wine and becomes our Lord's Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity. This great mystery of Christendom has been occuring for almost 2000 years.
Faith will tell us Christ is present, when our human senses fail.
drdst17 10 months ago
I liked how you said that repentence is a change of heart and Mind. I appreciate that.
minpinlover26 1 year ago
A better title for this video would have been simply, "Why I am not going to Heaven." That would have been more to the point.
Jesus Christ is really, truly and substantially present in the Eucharist.
To deny this is not only to deny his words in Sacred Scripture but also to deny the physical incarnarnation of God the Son.
The Eucharist is incarnational.
petruscephas 1 year ago
@petruscephas Actualy this video should have been called, why I am going to heaven because I depend on the grace of God through Christ shed blood on the cross and He alone saves.
minpinlover26 1 year ago
@minpinlover26
It is impossible to love Christ while rejecting his body which is the Church.
It is impossible to separate his body, the Church, from the head, who is Christ.
Christ shed his blood not only to provide for the forgiveness of sins, but also that his Church be formed on earth in order to carry out his command that the gospel be shared with all mankind.
It is impossible to love Christ while hating the only Church he founded, which is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
petruscephas 1 year ago
@petruscephas The church is not the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The church is the body of believers who hold fast to, like i said, the grace of God through Christ shed blood on the cross. He did not establish the priesthood. that was finished on the cross. that is in Heb. If you read the book of Acts, there were no cathlic rites. the only order Jesus gave was the great commission Mat. 28:19&20 and Mk 16:15. Acts makes not mention of the Priesthood being established or the praying to mary.
minpinlover26 1 year ago
@petruscephas I do not follow a church that says it is the onlyway and the only true church to God. the wwcog claims this, the LDS church claims this, the JW's claim this just to name a few. They all say what you say, "unless you accept our church, our church doctrine and have Christ, you cannot be saved". Eph. 8&9 says that grace is a free gift and we are saved not by works least anyman should boast. Each born again Christian has the Holy Spirit and He leads and directs us.
minpinlover26 1 year ago
@petruscephas I believe catholics can and are christians. but they are not saved because they are catholic, just as a baptist is not saved because they are baptist. we are all saved, catholic, baptist, lutherin etc. by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ alone. He saves.
minpinlover26 1 year ago
@minpinlover26 most catholics are not saved, because they haven't trusted in the real Jesus. If they trust in Him and believe that he can fully pay for their sins (not partially as purgatory doctrine claims) they can be saved. absolutely!!
christianstudents 1 year ago
@christianstudents if a catholic knows jesus personally and enters into a personal relationship withe him then they are saved. when i went to Bible College one of the books we read was by a catholic who did have a personal relationship with the Lord. Like you said. most catholics are not saved. but like i said. being catholic is not what saves you. it is a personal relationship with jesus. you can be a baptist and not be saved just as you can be catholic and be saved.
minpinlover26 1 year ago
Your understanding of "substance" is awful. You need to read up on the difference between "substance" and "accident". When the bread is transubstantiated in the Precious Body, its accidents (ie. the flour, water, sugar, etc.) are still unchanged. The substance of a thing is not necessarily reflected in its accidents. And believe it or not, you do actually believe in substance -- you just may not realize it.
ndirish1997 1 year ago
And only the church of the east (eastern catholicos aka assyrians) are till today do not have images of jesus or statues of saints and angels in church.
assyrianphd 1 year ago
Self-appointed freelance Bible interpreters are easily misguided by pride, as if they know better than the teachings of the Church. At the Last Supper Jesus took the bread and said THIS IS my body. He took the cup and said THIS IS my blood". The accidents of bread and wine remain yet it becomes the Body and Blood of Christ. If you lived in the time of Jesus, you would see Jesus the man, yet He was and still is God. His flesh does avail much. Be not another doubting Thomas...
vivacristo1000 1 year ago
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vivacristo1000 1 year ago
It is so interesting that he attributes the dichotomy of conscience implicit in the insistance that the substance of the [Kingdom of God] is profane bread, and not that which God has provided (Jesus Christ) True Christians are not those that are satisfied with the bread of this world, (for you ate of the loaves and were filled) but those who possess Jesus Christ, that true bread from Heaven. You bake loaves to the Queen of Heaven, The King of Babylon will come upon you, in the Four Horsemen.
kpharris32 1 year ago
@christianstudents Catholics do not believe in transubstantiation. Do not get that confused. It is merely a suggestion on how it happens. The Church does believe in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist, but does not admit to know on how that happens. Transubstantiation is a metaphysical change. You clearly have no philosophical background. You are a misled soul, I will pray for you. You have lost sight of many things on your way to the conclusion you have drawn.
R3Radar 1 year ago
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JezusSlave 1 year ago
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ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST, APOSTOLIC CHURCH PROVIDES ALL SACRAMENTS AND THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE - OF THE LIVING GOD - THE BREAD OF LIFE IN THE EUCHARIST!
WITH 2,000 YEARS OF TRADITION AND SACRIFICES OF CHRISTIANS TODAY WE KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE AND SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST IS.
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JezusSlave 1 year ago
@christianstudents you present arguments for why you do not believe in transubstantiation and according to your arguments, they make sense at first.
Catholics are not the only ones who believe this bread and wine is the body and blood of Christ. Many Protestant denominations also believe this.
What do the passages mean to you? John 6:50-65? Do the apostles not grumble about the same thing you are arguing? Does Jesus not ask them if they are going to go away as well? How much faith do you have?
MrChristianBeliever 1 year ago
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WITH 2,000 YEARS OF TRADITION AND SACRIFICES OF CHRISTIANS TODAY WE KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE AND SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST IS.
MANY PROPHECIES AND VISIONARIES.
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JezusSlave 1 year ago
Luther believed that Jesus was present in the Eucharist
aodvg 1 year ago
Da Mihi Animas: Sr.Briege & The Eucharistic Miracle . google this and read for yourself .
Also google this Eucharistic Miracles of the Communion Host - In Defense of The Cross
and google this Fr Steven Scheier and the Parable of the Fig Tree
Then think again.
chiajoemsn 1 year ago
We're not talking about an apple. Think about it this way: it would be easy for God to physically change the wine and bread into blood and flesh. There are actually scientific miracles that provide a basis for miracles of this, do some research. We will keep believing, don't try to break our faith. Because when you are on your deathbed, you may turn your decision that there is a God and transubstantiation. Where reason has reached its limit, only faith can go beyond.
Paulfire0 1 year ago
Bravo!
renay1384 1 year ago
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Tiachetta 1 year ago
Yep; I agree: The RCC is a pathological lying church. Transubstantiation "miracle type" as understood by the RCC is abomination e.g. did Jesus ever turn water into wine under the appearance of it remaining water? Did He ever open the eyes of a blind man under the appearance of the man remaining blind? To deny that the miracle ever took place at all will be common sense, not faith at all. Jesus' disciples believed Him after they SAW THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCES of His miraculous works. The RCC is evil.
7olusegun 1 year ago
So does that mean that when Christ told the Disciples that the Bread was his body and the Wine was his Blood that he was lying?
The Eucharist and the Wine at Mass become the Body and the Blood of Christ that saved us.. Christ at the last supper told us to DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME.
TheCatholicnproud 1 year ago
You have no understanding of metaphysics my friend, nor Transubstantiation. The priest changes nothing, it is all the work of the Trinity. It is a double miracle.
Lover4Truth 1 year ago
what the heck!!! you're 100% an antichrist!
1234qwertristen 1 year ago
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We Catholics receive that PERPETUAL sign, as receiving Christ Himself. Is not the physical matter of bread and wine what makes it Holy, but HIS PRESENCE in the form HE chose to leave to us. We believe in the Eucharist NOTHING MORE OR LESS than as SAINT PAUL believed: "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the BLOOD OF CHRIST? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the BODY OF CHRIST?"
1 COR 10:16
jorgediego 1 year ago
Transubstantiation is Mysticism. Both Roman Catholic and Orthodox are involved in Babylonian Mysticism. Listen to me brother. Christ died ONCE and was resurrected from death to life.. Christ's Sacrifice for you and me is finished. IT is DONE. WHy
in the world do these Babylonian Institutions continue to sacrifice Christ over and
over and over.
afzpuppet 1 year ago
@afzpuppet When considering the Mass, we cannot contain it to our earthly experiences, because it quite literally is a meeting of heaven and earth. The sacrifice of the Mass is often called the unbloody sacrifice, because it re-presents the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross that happened 2000 years ago, but is for all time.
ilikesultanas 1 year ago
@ilikesultanas At the consecration, we are literally transported to the foot of the cross, where the one sacrifice was made for all. So we are not repeatedly sacrificing Christ. I think many Catholic theological points are so hard to grasp because they are based in the divine reality that we have never experienced - where laws of time and appearance are not insuperable.
I hope that helps.
God bless :D
ilikesultanas 1 year ago
Buen tema, Dios te bendiga,
saludos de Tijuana Mexico.
yhwh67 1 year ago
dude, god can make anything happen. don't fool yourself
gerryboy101 1 year ago
There is another possibility that you didn't address; Jesus could have been like the gingerbread man, with crusty wafer-flesh and wine for blood.
Phage0070 1 year ago
i'm from middle eastern Catholic Christian and we too can trace our believe in the Euchrist and have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior in the First Century by St. thomas. So, please get yourself some real education in Catholicism. Catholicism or me for that matter i can challenge any one who thinks that Catholicism does not go by the Bible. we too can use only bible and demonstrate according to my language Assyrian-Aramaic. so think your english or greek with save your argument.
Catholicist 1 year ago
Typical misled Protestant heretic. Such a shame.
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
This is the bread that came down from Heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever." John 6:53-59.
JeremyPaganProduct 2 years ago
@JeremyPaganProduct ...spiritually or physically?
dkuncara 1 year ago
"Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and i will rise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my body and drink my blood abide in me and I in them. Just as the living father sent me, and i live because of the father, so whoever eats me will live because of me.
JeremyPaganProduct 2 years ago
Okay so what about this?
JeremyPaganProduct 2 years ago
Have you ever taken any sort of Theology class, or read the Catechism of the Catholic church. You clearly do not know what the Church teaches. I would suggest getting informed before you continue to post videos that misrepresent the Church.
JMJ51PFU 2 years ago
Real roman catholism is anti homo.
Imhornydadcomeinside 2 years ago
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DreamsofMajesty 2 years ago
@christianstudents You must be incredibly ignorant of Church History. I mean really ignorant. If you knew even a little bit about it, you would know that the Catholic Church is CLEARLY the only Church that has existed since the time of Christ. To believe otherwise is to just lie to yourself. What is your stumbling block to The One True Faith of Catholicism? Read. Learn. Educate Yourself. Then come join The One True Faith. The Catholic Church is waiting for you!
ChristianFirefighter 2 years ago
@ChristianFirefighter...tthe fact that you're a catholic, trusting and depending your faith to men is an act of ignorant...the church that you worship has gone way off of what the scripture says, who's the ignorant...what once good in the beginning does not mean you have to follow it forever....especially when they deliberately changed the true teachings of Christ....Educate your self...survey says 92% of catholics don't read the bible..who's the real ignorant here?
dkuncara 2 years ago
Bravo Bro!!!!....SOLA SCRIPTURA!!!
the catholics do confuse about the differences between remembrance of the last supper and their eucharist..
God Bless
dkuncara 2 years ago
@dkuncara Wow dude. Are you going to live out your entire life in complete ignorance, or are you going to join The One True Faith and become Catholic? Stop accepting only a shadow of the Faith, and start belonging to Fullness of the Faith! The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Do it now! I mean right now!
ChristianFirefighter 2 years ago
@ChristianFirefighter...please free yourself from depending on the wrong church bro...Christ awaits you...come back where you supposed to be...let go of those money making dogmas by the vatican....not worth it!!!
Even Jesus never taught us to pray to God thru Moses/Elijah/anyone....come as you are, for you've been cleansed by the blood of Christ, the only way to receive justification, not thru some church....GBU
dkuncara 2 years ago
@dkuncara You have to start being honest with yourself and face the clear and plain Truth. You belong to a separated band of christians that have split over and over again. There are now over 35,000 protestant "churches" who disagree with each other on some major teaching of the faith. What a freaking mess. No Christ Ordered Papal Leadership = A Wide Range Of Theological Errors. If you can still look at the facts and believe otherwise, you are just lying to yourself. Why do you lie to yourself?
ChristianFirefighter 2 years ago
TRUTH IS GREATER THAN LIES: READ ... Tertullian A.D. 200: If you are near Italy, you have Rome where authority is at hand for us too." Clement to James A.D. 221:Be it known that Simon was set apart to be the foundation of the Church by Jesus himself." Cyprian of Carthage A.D. 251:If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?
ChristianFirefighter 2 years ago
First of....those writings are not God's inspired and I believe in SOLA SCRIPTURA...second, even the authors of those writings would not agree on many catholic's dogma that evolved later on such as purgatory, marian doctrines, etc.
dkuncara 2 years ago
Matthew 16:18-21 clear talks about Peter's proclamation of who Jesus is, and Jesus is the rock, the foundation of a true church...Petra and Petros are two different words.....Isaiah 44:8
dkuncara 2 years ago
what did I lie about?...I don't get it
dkuncara 2 years ago
@ChristianFirefighter ..35,000 or 99,000 denominations are not the problem, we do not want to make the samw mistake again by putting so much authority on a single church. Out of those 35,000, I'm sure that few of them are not even the true Christian, the way to distinguish a good church from the bad ones is: Sola Fide; Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, Solo Chirsto; Soli Deo Gloria....Now, let's examine the RCC...are you sure that you catholics are united?
dkuncara 1 year ago
@ChristianFirefighter ...Ask a few catholics out that...How can one be justified to enter the Kingdom of heaven?....you'll be amazed on how confused catholics are...you'll also find out how united you guys are....Christianity teaches and enables us to do good works because we have been saved and justified first...Catholicism on the hand teaches that we need to do good works in order to be saved....Therefore, catholicism can not be Christians
dkuncara 1 year ago
@dkuncara
Hahahaha. Wrong Both the Catholic church and protestant church teaches that we are saved by the grace of God through the act of his son dying on the cross my friend. God justifies us by our faith and our works both which comes from the grace of God which is why in jamese 2:26 he says faith without works is dead and that faith and works work together to justify us to God
brandonying 1 year ago
@brandonying ...James Ch2 explains the differences between one with faith and one without...but justification is based on faith and faith alone, you have to read the whole new testament. God can not contradict Himself. Eph 2, Romans Romans 3:28, 5:1. Besides, the works mentioned in James 2 is not those sacraments taught by the RCC, rather works that surround one's life on a daily basis...do you have the real faith?....or is it just your mouth talking?....your works don't justify, your faith does
dkuncara 1 year ago
@dkuncara
Read James 2:14-26 and tell me what you think? Faith alone? The bible never says that for it's unbiblical and a man made teaching. You see that a man is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. Catholics believe that we are Justified by our faith and our works however our faith and our works are not our own as they are given by the grace of God. So we don't believe that we are saved by work, we believed that we are saved by the grace of God which acts through our faith+works
brandonying 1 year ago
@brandonying ...The Bible states that "everyone who believes is justified" (Acts 13:39), the sinner is justified “through faith” (Romans 3:25), “justified by faith” (Romans 3:28), God justifies “by faith” and “through faith” (Romans 3:30), “justified by faith” (Romans 5:1); a man is justified “by faith” and “justified by faith” (Galatians 2:16), God justifies “by faith” (Galatians 3:8), righteousness is “through faith” and “by faith” (Philippians 3:9).
dkuncara 1 year ago
@dkuncara
Does any of those passage teach faith ALONE? No for we are not justified by faith alone but by faith which is an inward sign of God's grace working through us and works which is an outward sign of his grace working through us.
Therefore We are saved by Grace through Faith and works
brandonying 1 year ago
@dkuncara
Let me give you a verse by Jesus.
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Faith alone? Those who DOETH the will of my father.
brandonying 1 year ago
@dkuncara
You see dkuncara the Catholic church does not teach that we are saved by faith or by works. Rather we teach that we are saved by the grace of God through the act of his son on the cross. There's nothing that we can do to merit that grace for it is a free gift.
Here's Where Protestants and Catholic part, on Justification. Justification is when God declares a person Righteous . You see that Catholics believed that we are justified by faith and by works which justifies us only by grace
brandonying 1 year ago
@dkuncara
Therefore, the Catholic church teaches that our good works can't merit our salvation for it is a gift of grace. However we do teach that when that grace of God works through us, we have our faith and our works. Understand?
brandonying 1 year ago
@brandonying ...I plead with you to prayerfully read and study the relevant Bible passages that explain the doctrine of justification (at least Romans chapters 1 to 4; Letter to Galatians and Philippians chapter 3). I pray that you will understand the Gospel of justification by faith alone, so that you would throw away the crutches of human works and merit, and with the hands of faith embrace the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour. There is no other way to be right with God.
dkuncara 1 year ago
@dkuncara
I have dkuncara. And i've come to the conclusion that the Catholic view on justification is the biblical view of justification which is by faith and works made possible on by the grace of God through the works of his son Jesus christ on the cross.
brandonying 1 year ago
@brandonying ...How much works? How many sacraments?...r u sure that you've done enough...oh wait...you do believe in purgatory...so...never mind then
dkuncara 1 year ago
You look smarter with glasses. You sound as stupid though.
Enigmatik691 2 years ago
thank God for He does not judge us by our appearances...
God Bless
dkuncara 2 years ago
you guys should read The Eucharist--sacrament of the Kingdom on google books, you can see how the RC has introduced pagan rituals into the eucharist
ltrox1 2 years ago
itrox:
That's not true.. JESUS even said that it was his 'true' body & blood. God is capable of all things.
In acts 2:42, the "doctrine of breaking bread" is mentioned. What is this? What are paul's words in 1cor10:16-17? 1cor11:23-29? What is Heb10:19-20?; the "veil" here is Jesus' true presence behind the veil of bread.
In capernaum in Jn6, Jesus even says that the bread he "will" give will be the bread for the world b/c it is indeed Himself. His true presence "in" the bread & wine
deercreek7 2 years ago
God can...Vatican can NOT
dkuncara 2 years ago
I guess Jesus didnt really raise Lazarus from the dead, did he?
Jesus really didnt say, MY BODY is real food, MY BLOOD is real drin in Jn 6 did he?
I guess Jesus didnt CHANGE the WATER into WINE at the wedding feast at CANA did He?
God can do anything
This clown on this video says THE CATH CHURCH is not part of true Christianity?
HEY SCHOLAR in the video, ur assembly is not THE CHURCH. You're of a invented assembly that came after Luther sometime & who doesnt KNOW the Bible!
Stinger4186 2 years ago
Wine symbolizes the blood and the bread the body...communion is supposed to be for remembrance of what happened on the last supper 2000 years ago....but the eucharist clearly states that it is the literal sacrifice the same as the crucifixion being done over and over again, this is just wrong, the bible says there can only be one sacrifice...Heb 10:18
dkuncara 2 years ago
@Stinger4186 ....I guess being born again meant to be physical to not spiritual
dkuncara 1 year ago
Who left YOU in charge of Christianity? Christ said "This is my Body," not as YOU say, this "overshadows" or "symbolizes" my Body. I would advise you look to what the Church teaches; NOT to what YOU say. You write as an IDOLATER of your own opinion! 1 Timothy 3:15 says that the pillar of truth is the Church, not YOU!
patrianews 2 years ago
1 Tim 3:15 : the pillar of truth is definitely NOT the catholic church for it believes in a different Gospel
dkuncara 2 years ago
during the 15th century catholics persecuted so many true christians most of them were burned to stake.
dhrk2k7 2 years ago
your not a catholic because your a fucking shit ha ha ha!!!
35ams 2 years ago
HEIL! CONSTANTINE ! HEIL! CONSTANTINE ! hisrtory and arqueology proves 100% that constantine is the father and founder of the roman catolic sect in the yr 313 ,and dont forget that constantine built the basilica of st peter , and canstantine changed the saturday for SUNday , because he said that the sun was god ,
hamlets7 2 years ago
more than 12.000 poor little inocent children raped by the roman catolic sect in Ireland , i got the videos , come on in watch my videos
hamlets7 2 years ago
your words reflect on catholicm....thank God I am not a catholic
dkuncara 2 years ago
Rationalism will be the death of you. You are training people to take christ in an unworthy manner.
benjaminz6 2 years ago
To the guy in the video. Are you athiest or Protestant?
If you are athiest the video makes sense. As religion is a matter of faith and lots it will seem nonsense to the athiests.
However if you are protestant then you should know that Jesus the God has the power to transform bread and wine into his body and blood while leaving them in the form of bread and wine so that we can eat them.
mysteriumaenigma 2 years ago
HEIL CONSTANTINE HEIL COSTANTINE ,the father and founder of the roman catolic sect in the yr 313 ,end of argument
hamlets7 2 years ago
I really urge you to read Hebrew 10:18....GBU
dkuncara 2 years ago
take lightly the words of a person that cannot even pronounce transubstantiation correctly.
sekenney88 2 years ago
Transubstantiation was a term chosen to describe the dogma opposed by heterodox groups of antiquity. The church has believed it to be the body and blood of Christ as 1 cent. writing prove.
The symbolic view was brought into mainstream by Zwingli and Clavin. Zwingli taling one verse out of John 6, built his dogma.
There is not one word or phrase in the scriptures which bluntly state or allude to the symbolic view.
baldonebear 2 years ago
Oh -- what you say on "penance" is inaccurate, too. We're not saved via penance; sins are forgiven by Christ. Penance is the natural reaction to Christ's forgiveness, and it's Scriptural, too! Read Luke 19:8 ... Zaccheus' reaction to Christ is *penance* -- he offers to *do* something, in response to Christ's acceptance of him. Catholics don't believe that penance is what forgives sins, or that penance is what brings salvation. Know what Catholicism says first, before you critique it!
2013Larry 2 years ago
study what your church says about justification....by saying that penance is not part of justification, you are automatically condemned by your own church....please study council of trent, I&II vatican council, and catholic catechism.... Know what catholicism says first, before you defend it!!
dkuncara 2 years ago
Transubstantiation isn't a *doctrine*; that the Eucharist is the Body & Blood of Christ *is*. Transub. is the answer to the question "how does this happen?", and isn't doctrinal. Nonetheless, you're misunderstanding it -- it's Aquinas' philosophical explanation, based on ancient Greek philosophical notions of "essence" (what something really is) and "accident" (the physical appearance of a thing). So, if you want to argue against this, you need to avoid discussions of how things *appear*.
2013Larry 2 years ago
not part of the Christian Church? where do you think the Christian church came from?
situs60 2 years ago
What about the worldwide practice of organized child molestation?
coffeefish 2 years ago
How would you chemically prove Jesus was God when He was on Earth? Would you deny the Incarnation?
It's possible the heresy of consubstation is popular in the Church, it doesn't mean that is what the Church teaches. Most people are poorly catechized or are conscious heretics.
Christ is sacrificed once and that is sufficient. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass connects the event 2000 years ago and today. Time is not linear. It is the unbloody re-presentation of the bloody sacrifice on the Cross.
PilgrimToChrist 2 years ago
Your lack of knowledge concerning Catholicism is laughable! Please take down this post to avoid further embarrassment! And are you in the US legally?
JW31201 2 years ago
When Jesus was tempted by Satan, He was ask to turn stones into bread, Jesus said man shall LIVE, key word LIVE by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God!!!! Jesus is the WORD OF GOD, so when you read Gods word you eat Jesus Spiritually. We do not eat the flesh of God phyisically. That is a false teaching!!!!Rev 17:16 says they will eat the flesh of the great whore. Is that lit. to. NO!!!!Wake up Catholics and Be born again, before you go to Hell!!!!
dudewiles 2 years ago
Clone Jesus ?
Christ that would be great ?
Provided you dare to do so.
Or you might be assassinated by the Free Masonry and the Masonries of the world . . lol
Trust me - you could clone him , i wanna meet him.
MDIS 2 years ago
Jeus in John 6 says those who come to me will never be hungery and those who believe in me will never be thiristy. Then at the end of the chapter he say these words are spiritual. This proves it is symbolic. Why eat Jesus if at the Cross He said it is finished. It's either literal or spiritual not both. Keep preaching the Truth my Friend
dudewiles 2 years ago
Re-read John 6:51-63. Show us where it says it is symbolic? We don't worship a symbol, we worship God Incarnate Who gives us His flesh for food and His blood for drink.
John 6: 53- Jesus therefore said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, ye have not life in yourselves.
John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they heard this, said, This is a hard saying; who can hear it?
Nothing symbolic about what Our Lord says.
xlamentx 2 years ago
it sounds like he cares more about science. Pussy boy!!
firenos90 2 years ago
Roman Catholics are a part of the Christian Church!! Protestant Bastard!
jefferson92 2 years ago
So, if there is transsubstantiation, the we can easily get Jesus' DNA structure an we can clone Him
msalkovic 2 years ago
this guy is ridiculous. im not even going to listen to it all the way through "Transubstantiation....try saying that a couple time." he sounds stupid, no scriptural verses. and both video responses just destroy this guy. jesuss said this is my body...not this is like my body.....google "miracle of lanciano" and say its not real....along with all the scriptural references supporting it
Thrals 2 years ago
The Lutheran Church actually teaches the Sacramental Union or "Real Presence" of Christ in, with, and under the bread and wine in communion. They do not teach consubstantiation which says that the body and blood are alongside the bread and win.
Luther's position is that the Bible says that we receive Bread, Wine, the Body, and Blood in communion. This IS my body...this IS my blood.
freefallin002 2 years ago
Anglicans and Eastern Orthodox leave the Real Presence as a Mystery and don't try to explain it philosophically. If I wasn't a Catholic, I'd adhere to this ambiguity. Some things are just too big to understand and study to any real meaning and just lead to confusion.
But the Church teaches transubstantiation and so I believe it. But even if you don't make the distinction between accidents and substance, God is there, the Bread and Wine are truly the Body and Blood of Christ.
PilgrimToChrist 2 years ago
"But the Church teaches transubstantiation and so I believe it." - this is the definition of ignorance and stupidity. you actually admit that you believe something only because the church teaches it, this is insanely stupid and very dangerous.
errskin 2 years ago
My point was that the vast majority of Christians accept the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. EO and Anglicans don't try to define the Real Presence but the Catholic Church defines it more specifically, using the philosophical terminology of "accidents" and "substances". The "accidents", or characteristics, are of bread and wine; but the "substances" are of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.
PilgrimToChrist 2 years ago
It looks like mere bread, but it is actually the Bread of Heaven; it looks like mere wine, but it is actually the Precious Blood. The Eucharist is imbued with Christ's Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity which we consume in order to become more like Christ, to be one with Him.
PilgrimToChrist 2 years ago
Zwingli came along and denied the Real Presence because of his personal lack of faith in what God could do. He said that Jesus couldn't have meant that at the Last Supper because then He'd be at two places at once. Seriously? Almighty Creator of the Universe has difficulty with this? Then other Protestants since then have latched onto Zwingli's lack of faith.
PilgrimToChrist 2 years ago
Why deny what Christ said simply because some people have a problem believing it? Most people believe it, it has been taught in the Church from the very beginning and Christ Himself was clear. So much so that the other disciples ran away when Jesus told them about the Eucharist. (John 6)
Why do we believe Jesus?
"Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life." (Jn 6:68, KJV)
PilgrimToChrist 2 years ago
my point was that you believe something not because you know its true, but because the church told you to beleive it. which is stupid.
errskin 2 years ago
Define "know it's true". Do you think that knowledge just appears in our brains randomly or does *experience* come into effect? I believe in Jesus not just because the Church taught me. I wasn't always Christian. I was actually very anti-Christian until a few years ago.
But my experience tells me to trust God and to trust His Church. Communion can't be expressed in words, it's communing with the Almighty Creator of the Universe. If you're missing out because of skepticism, I'm sorry.
PilgrimToChrist 2 years ago
if it was your experience then you would be able to tell me what that experience is, and you automatically would. it wasn't experience though, was it?
errskin 2 years ago
I do not know if you are an atheist or fundamentalist. Does not matter; that is why it's called faith. The communists believed in science and logic: look where it got them. Millions died when ethics goes out the window right along with religion. Today modern science believe in abortion, euthanasia, and all that to bring down global warming: a farce that is backed up by "science." Once scientists believed the continents of the earth were stationary- now all believe in tectonic plates.
juanisaac 2 years ago
wow, you equate science and logic with communism and then blame science and logic for all the bad communism did! then you claim that science beleives in things! how crazy is that! then you bring up an example of people using science to expand knowledge like its a bad thing!
errskin 2 years ago
science can go either way, depending on who sees it, i.e. nuclear power that can either be a bomb or light up your house. You missed my point once again. Religion tapers science to guide it for useful purposes. Science not bound by ethics and morals, makes expansion of knowledge run into a dangerous areas- like GMO foods, cloning, bio-weapons, etc.Nazi scientists experimented on Jews to expand "knowledge," I hope you would say this is bad. I do not take a "it's all good" approach.
juanisaac 2 years ago
now you are equating science with the nazis? yeah, thats it. nazism was science withour religion to guide it! without religoin, science ran amok and killed millions of jews! bastard science!
errskin 2 years ago
Please re-read my posts. Science does not equal Nazism. Nazism misused science.
juanisaac 2 years ago
so what? every form of government in every country is guilty of that in some way.
errskin 2 years ago
"I don't think Roman Catholics get to eat the bread."
Hmm... good example of how much research went to this :) The cup was withheld from laypeople for much of the Middle Ages in response to a heresy that Christ's Body was present only in the host (bread) and Christ's Blood was present only the cup (wine). In fact, Christ is fully present under both forms, since Christ cannot be divided, just as his Body, the Church, cannot be divided (as much as we try).
jramage80 2 years ago
To the guy in the video..Do you have an actual job?
hetismij21 2 years ago
The substance changes, but the form remains the same,
cheesemonkey1990 3 years ago