TNA damn sure needs to have that mid-card belt for guys that aren't quite ready to hold the Heavyweight chapionship,but deserve to have some type of gold. Guys like Robert Roode,James Storm,Kaz,Eric Young,and Tomko. Even head guys like AJ,and Booker. This could set up some great fueds for a TNA National Championship. Name could use a working but u get the picture.
why shouldnt joe have the belt?its his time. tna has been prepping him for this moment since he came. its his first reign at champ. let him get his shine on brah
ScrewCity4Life, a couple things. Great idea first of all but you gotta like how TNA totally jacked up their tag team roster...BEER MONEY and now it appears to be Abyss and Matt Morgan(i hope his gimmick changes, i hate the constant yelling). But that along with Team 3D, Rhino and Christian Cage, LAX, MCMG, and even Sharkboy and Curryman would be a great gimmick. That is a great tag team roster something WWE extremely lacks.
Leave the TNA videos you WWE mark. It shows how much a idiot you are and that you don't have a life that you can take the time to come to a TNA video and just say TNA sucks.
There may be worse finishers, but the fisherman suplex is still a bad one. Note that before wrestling wasn't what it is today. I know that Curt Henning used a fisherman suplex as a finisher before Robert Roode, but none of your comparisons are from this day. Wrestling was less hardcore and slower than it is now.
lol i honestly think they should have a spike tv championship belt lol.. it a tv title but its kinda cool cause spike is actually called "spike tv". lol i dont know it would bring publicity which is good
Aj was never in WWE. He did a tryout match. WWE wants Cage back. That doesn't sound like a reject to me. They also want Nash and Angle and 3D back. They also wanted Rhino back when they made the ECW brand. Steiner is a name that can bring in money and I believe WWE would take him aswell as Booker t who they didn't want to get rid of.
WWE takes MVP, Mr. Kennedy, Paul London, BDV, Murdoch, Kaz, Dustin Runnel, Jim Duggan, Jeff Hardy, Super Crazy, Chris Harris, Ron Killings, Umaga, Mickie James, Shannon Moore, Jimmy Wang Yang, CM Punk, Brian Kendrick, Ball Mahoney, Sabu, and The Sandman. all were in TNA. Also many more.
Every single wrestler you just named Quit WWE to be a reject they would have to be rejected from WWE which they haven't those superstars just went to the better company and Jeff Jarret is the founder of TNA you my friend need to get your facts right.
TNA should've kept Team Canada, that was the High point in the careers of Eric Young, Bobby Roode, A1, Johnny Devine....And it was a good tag team too, their matches with AMW were amazing....I miss the 2005-2006 days of TNA...
I have to say I think Robert Roode.. Well not a bad wrestler but I never liked him. It's not cuz he's heel because I like many heel people in TNA today. Fuck, Team 3D are one of my favorites! But I just... never got around to liking Roode at all
Roode is the most underrated wrestler in the business today. If he doesn't get the title at least once by the end of the year, then I'm done watching TNA.
Yeah he isn't going to win it. The only people that might win the title this year probably are AJ, Booker T, Abyss, and Kaz. Maybe Jeff Jarrett, Angle, and Cage.
Yeah, I know. I've been waiting for Roode to get a title shot as long as I can remember and even though I know it was part of his character, he was right, every time TNA brings in some WWE walk out, he gets pushed down again. I'm sick of it. TNA has no loyalty to their originals. You don't get to the dance and then dump your date for the first hoe that comes around, at least a REAL man doesn't.
I know the Jarretts would never do that, so you can blame Dixie Carter for that. She's doing exactly what caused WCW to fail and its almost like she's doing it on purpose. It's really pathetic. I feel sorry for Jeff, with everything he's lost, having to watch something he loves so much turn into such garbage must be really hard.
I just wish i could be the booker for TNA because I would push real TNA talent and people who deserve the world title over guys that could just make alot of money. I would take Angle out of the main event and just push good talent. At Turning point this year i would have Kaz vs Daniels vs AJ vs Joe for the world title. And at Genesis I would have Kaz vs AJ vs Joe in a Ultimate X match for the TNA title.
Yea, I like how you think. What's really going to piss me off is if Team 3D wins the titles from LAX at the next PPV, because that'll just be more of the same crap. As far as I'm concerned, with the exception of Jarrett, if the title isn't on AJ Styles then it's being wasted. But, Kaz, Roode and Daniels have all proven they deserve shots as well.
I don't think LAX will lose the titles to 3D. Maybe Rock N Rave or MCMG. If 3D wins them then it is to lose them to MCMG. I just hope TNA is wise and reads my comment and puts LAX (C) vs MMG for the tag titles at Bound for Glory in Ultimate X. Also push Kaz to win the TNA title this year from AJ. Also give Daniels a shot next year at it. Make another title like the TNA International Heavyweight Championship and give it to Roode so he can call it the TNA Canadian Championship while he holds it.
You had me until you said they should introduce a new title. I HATE minor titles. They are pointless.
"If you're not in it to win the World title, then you're wasting your time." - Kevin Nash
Especially in an organization that totes itself as having no size barriers, its a waste of time to even have the X-Division title. They should get rid of it and just have ONE title that its ALL about.
Exactly. I mean what exactly is the point of the X-Championship? Anybody can challenge for it. It's basically the same thing as the IC and US titles. It's the "you're good, just not WORLD Championship good" title. LOL If it were me, it should be ALL or NOTHING.
Without the X Division then there is no TNA. TNA got big on the X Division. You can't just have a big heavyweight. Then you're just like WWE. That is why you make a secondary title. You let them fight over it until they're ready to main event. Without the X Division then TNA is just WWE.
"You can't just have a big heavyweight. Then you're just like WWE."
LMAO I don't know where to start with that statement. For starters. The WWE has THREE heavyweight titles, the World title, the WWE title and the ECW title. Second, they have TWO minor titles, the IC title & the US title. So, your argument is completely flawed there.
That is why I said to make new titles. Anyway the ECW title is more like the IC. The World Heavyweight isn't getting as much respect anymore. The WWE title is always held by 3 guys. Cena, RKO, or HHH. You want to do is get rid of the X. Make no new title and just place everyone going after the Heavyweight. That is around 35 people, Going after one title.
It's that kind of small minded thinking that is costing TNA big time. YES the X-division DID make TNA different, but no way is the reason TNA got big. TNA got big because it pushed talent that had either turned their back on, walked out on or were rejected by the WWE. People still wanted to see them and they could turn to TNA to watch them. The same way WCW did to WWE and vice versa.
When you think of TNA you don't think of how TNA used Ron Killings, Monty Brown, or Jeff Hardy. When you think TNA you think X Division. Also TNA should keep the title because WWE has forgotten their cruiserweight Division and people always love to see high flying wrestling. Roode could be a world champion but not right now. TNA needs to make a Secondary title or another world title. Either the International Heavyweight Championship or the Universal Heavyweight Championship.
Being IC, US or X-Division champion is a slap in the face. It's basically their nice way of saying "you're good, just NOT World Championship good". Adding new titles is a sign of desperation, even Vince McMahon said so when he was doing the Euro and Hardcore titles.
If the crowd isn't on his side then he can't be champion. You have to make sure the dude is ready to hold that belt. You give as much respect to all titles. You're a champion that is all that matters. There are 35 people and you would have to have the belt change every week for everyone to hold it. You have to make sure they can handle the pressure of being the World Heavyweight Champion. Also I don't care what Vince said. All he does now is have his bastard son in law world champion.
As far as it "shows what you would be like as champion", so does proving you deserve to be World champion without having to wear a paper championship. It's ALL or nothing, but you'd have to be in the business to understand that.
I'm not in the business but I understand that you need a secondary title and not just the world title. You need a mid-card belt. The Main event belt. The Tag belt. And the Women's belt. You have a belt for each division so they can play with that until they should move up. The mid-carders could use the IH and get over with the fans. Then go to the main event like AJ, Joe, and Kaz did.
You're right, you're not in the business, which means you don't know how it works and therefore don't understand that a secondary title is a slap in the face. Exactly what does Matt Hardy need to prove by holding the US title? The time he's spent in the business doesn't prove he deserves a World title shot? The only minor title that makes sense to me would be the TV title, because this would prove that a person could perform day and day out and is therefore deserving of their spot.
The reason hardy won the title is either to set up him vs Edge for the world title or they have nothing to do with him. TV titles are really just stupid. It is meant to be defended of TV but it was defended on ppv and TV. I like the idea of a international heavyweight championship because it kind of has world meaning and you treat it just like the world title. It is the last match before the World title. You could have the IH champ vs The World Champ. Have him go over like Warrior against Hogan.
Well, you're maturity has really fallen in the last few minutes, having to resort to calling something "stupid" is just a sign of a weak argument. But, it can all be wrapped up in one simple statement, you are NOT in the business, therefore you will NEVER understand. Try spending even one year in the business or ten years (as I have) and then talk to me about the business. Other than that, you're completely clueless.
I wasn't calling you stupid I was calling TV titles Stupid and many would agree. I just don't like them like you don't like Secondary belts. Also I plan on being in the business as soon as I can get a job at being a booker for some company. I'm completely clueless. From the guy who wants Robert Roode champion now instead of letting him dominate the mid-card division. Instead you want him to fight Angle, Booker T, Joe, Sting, and others for the world title when he would be out of place.
You do understand that not everyone can win the world title. If it changed at every ppv then it would lose all meaning. We need to keep the X Division title and introduce new titles. That is what Nash said but that doesn't matter. You have to be booked to win the title and having a few new titles can help you. It shows what you would be like Champion and sets up for a world reign.
Speaking of Nash (I mentioned him) and the MCMG (you mentioned them). I think TNA needs a "Michigan Militia". They have enough guys for it. Kevin Nash, Rhyno, Chris Sabin, Alex Shelley, Scott Steiner & Rick Steiner are all from Michigan. Have them turn heel and become a stable from Michigan. And as a surprise, bring in R . . . V . . . D!!! LOL
RVD has said that if he wants to go back full time hed want to go with tna and the idea would be a great idea for a nash samoa joe fued.....hm MCMG tag champ,RVD x division,and nash world...i can see it happening
The thing that I find most hilarious about reading people's comments on this site, is that, for almost two years, people were clamoring and cursing TNA for not giving the belt to JOE and let him have a long reign with it.
The second TNA puts the belt on JOE, everyone is now clamoring for them to put the belt onto someone else. lol.
I'm for Joe holding the title till Bound for Glory. Because I want 3 matches by the end of this year. Joe vs AJ TNA Title BFG. AJ vs Joe vs KAZ TNA Title Ultimate X Genesis. AJ vs Joe vs Kaz vs Daniels TNA Title Turning Point. AJ wins at BFG. Kaz wins at Turning Point. I want Joe to have a long reign but I really just want Bound for Glory to be a TNA main event and not have Angle, Steiner, Sting, Or Cage in the main event at BFG.
im all for AJ for champ he's my favorite champion they had but i think being everybody flunky hurt him a bit he needs a few big wins then i like him for champ
Him beating Kurt would give him all the support as champion I think he could get. I would love for him to win the chance at No Surrender in a 8 man match. Tomko vs Cage vs Rhino vs Booker T vs Sting vs Kurt Angle vs Abyss vs. Steiner in a NoDQ Elimination match. While the main event is Joe vs Nash. If they are going to do that then do it at a ppv that no one really cares about.
I wouldn't plan to destroy him. I plan for him to not lose one match until BFG. Then he'll lose Ultimate X that didn't hurt him last time. Then lose a 4 way at the last ppv of the year. He wouldn't get pinned. He wouldn't lose by pin or sub probably until like the middle of next year. He would still have the dominate heel persona but just would come up short. Oh I would build everyone up. I would have Kaz get the fans on his side. I would have great build for each of the matches.
The only problem with your plan is that JOE is the #1 face in TNA, with AJ Styles and Cage being close.
If you have your #1 face lose at BFG, joke at the next PPV and then choke again at the PPV after that. losing three big matches in a row, especially with JOE, you're neutering the character.
JOE is supposed to be the biggest and toughest guy in TNA, and the fans LOVE him for that. What are fans "supposed to believe" if they see the toughest guy in TNA choke away three straight title shots?
hahahaha now even though i am a supporter of AJ for champ i definately agree and isnt that all wrestling is they want the champ to be whoever is hot right now
wasnt just a few months ago where every was riding tomko for the title haha
Yeah I was hoping he would be champion to right now. I wish TNA could get better and pull 3.0s so they could possibly get another show and make another world title that Roode, Storm, Rhino, and Tomko could fight over. Just to make sure it isn't a rip off of WWE's title (so no mark can say anything) I would call it the TNA Universal Heavyweight Championship.
Raw has a fanbase that they have spent 20 years acquiring, and they are drawing 3.0s. SD has been building it's base over the last 10 years, and they're drawing mid 2.0's.
Things take time.
Personally, if TNA wants to make another secondary belt, I'd say just call it the TNA North American Championship, since most of the current business is done in North America.
Yeah but in most promotions the World is considered better than the Universal title. Since the TNA title will probably start to be called the TNA Championship by fans the Universal and World names probably won't matter then. I like that Idea but because TNA is expanding and that kind of name would show you're not a world champion, you're just a North American champion. So I would either make the International heavyweight championship or a European title. Maybe Intercontinental.
When in the history of professional wrestling has a title gone from being a world title to just a promotion title, and that was seen as a good thing. ECW went from being a world championship, to just being the ECW Championship and you see that as a positive?
People will always call a world title a world title, unless told to do otherwise. No belt voluntarily goes from being called a world title, to just being called a company title.
Personally, I've never seen or heard of a company with a Universal championship, but in what galaxy is the universe smaller than the world?
TNA is increasing the business it does overseas, but not enough to have a European Championship.
yo i think it weird you said universal i was talking once on what a secondary title be for tna and my suggestion was actually the universal championship because 1 it kind of sounds like its along the same guidelines of intercontinental and also because there home is universal studios
Universal has to much of a big title name. IC sounds like a world title and it gets treated shitty. I think if TNA makes a secondary title then it should be the International Heavyweight Championship. Still kind of has a world title name but is for mid-carders and no other big named promotion today has one of those.
I agree they need to have a realistic belt but TNA is going to more countries all the time. They been to Japan and Europe. They are broad-casted in Australia. They are getting more exposure everyday. The International belt would work.
TNA is expanding, but how many dates are they going internationally for?
So far, this year, TNA had the TNA/NJPW show in Japan, and 4 dates in the UK coming up, and that seems to be about it, for now. If your only going to actually go international for less than 10 shows, what would be the significance of having an "International" championship?
In 2007, TNA did tours of PR, Mexico, and Canada, to go along with the domestic dates that they did.
Okay if we go like that then the TNA World Heavyweight should be called the North American Heavyweight Championship. TNA will start to go to more Countries. But I just don't like the name TNA North American Heavyweight Championship. That seems like a degrading title name. It is alright for the NWA but I don't think it would be good in TNA.
TNA's top belt shouldn't be called the North American Heavyweight Championship, for the simple fact that you top belt and the recognition of your top belt, should represent the goals of your company.
TNA's goal is to be a worldwide wrestling promotion, and that's further evidenced by their relationship with CMLL, New Japan and other top promotions.
Besides, the title, on many occasion, has been defended worldwide, so it's earned that distinction, based on merit.
TNA does most of it's current business in North America. TNA continues to expand it's touring schedule, by adding more shows in the US. What's so degrading about having a North American championship?
Per name, the title won't be defended when TNA goes international, and it'll become another tool, to advance talent and enhance the expanding domestic house show experience.
Okay all titles in TNA are world recognized. the World tag is recognized by PWI so it is a world title. Everybody's dream in wrestling is to be a world champion. With a title called North American Championship it would be world recognized but you would feel like I'm only the world champion of North America. It is a degrading title name. For the NWA it is okay but for TNA it isn't.
The North American Heavyweight Championship isn't meant to become world recognized, for the simple fact that the title would not be defended beyond North America.
My goal for such a belt, would be to feature talent, not quite ready to be at the top of the card, in front of the bulk of their target audience, the North American market.
Well it is going to be recognized by PWI. It is a secondary belt but it will be recognized as the TNA World North American Heavyweight Championship. I just would rather they have a International Heavyweight Championship instead. Because you're talking about the market. What happens when TNA gets as big as WWE. When TNA starts doing ppvs in Australia or England.
TNA is at least, a good 4-5 years away from that, especially since they are just really starting to establish their domestic house show tourings. TNA has so many other things to work on before they even consider putting on PPVs outside of the US, let alone Australia.
TNA needs to take all their PPVs/TV on the road, have successful live specials, get Xplosion on network TV, increase the touring, continue Global Impact, and be ready to go live, before worrying about a Live PPv in England.
I don't think TNA should ever have a ppv outside the US. I think TNA needs to get to the point that they have every ppv at a different place so the iMPACT! Zone is only used for TNA iMPACT!.
You just tried to use the rationale that TNA should have a International Heavyweight belt, because of the possibility that TNA could eventually be as big as WWE and even consider doing a PPV abroad, yet you don't think "TNA should ever have a PPV outside the US"?
What's be the rationale for the title's name then? Make up your mind already.
I don't remember ever saying they should have a ppv out of the US. I said have shows outside of US but I don't rememeber saying have a ppv. They could but I don't want them to.
Well if that world is called the world for that reason shouldn't instead of having the TNA North American title instead just have the TNA International Championship. for the same reason. TNA wants to go international.
If TNA wants to go international, wouldn't the best way to do so be pushing your World Champion in those international markets, rather than make a new title, for a market that you currently do very few shows in?
When WWE first began to expand over sees, did they push British Bulldog, the European champion, as the international face of the company? No, they didn't. They took their top champion, Bret Hart, and made him the international face of WWE.
I'm not making the title for the international market. i'm making it for a secondary title. The reason I would make it the International is because it sounds better and would be respected more by fans all over the world. Also where have I ever said push the International Champion over the World. The World Champion should be the face of TNA not the second teir champion. If TNA makes a tour of China or Africa or some country then the World Champion should be the main guy. Not the International.
Then what's the point of calling the belt the International Heavyweight Championship, if the World Champion is the International face of the promotion?
I never mean for the IH title to be the face. It is just there to have a secondary belt. When WWE goes to other countries do they push the IC belt? no. Because they don't so that is there no point to the IC?
I just feel that it'd more effective to call the secondary belt, The North American Heavyweight Championship or the Americas Championship, rather than the International h title.
I think it should be called either the IH or the US. Maybe even have a hardcore title. Called the NoDQ championship. Just like the WWE Hardcore but without the 24/7 rule. It would be a NoDQ rules championship that can only be won in the ring. Falls and subs only count in the ring. It could have respect because the longer you hold it the better champion you are.
As TNA expands it touring schedule, IMO topping out at no more than 150 dates, for TV, PPV and house shows, TNA is going to look to further solidifying the domestic markets.
Based solely on that assumption, working more dates in the US, Mexico, Canada and the surrounding islands, makes much more logistical sense than pushing for international markets.
Besides, if TNA is expanding internationally, wouldn't it make more sense to push the top star, the TNA World Champion, as the flag bearer.
I'm pretty sure that's what World champions are supposed to do, put forward a strong image of their company, outside of the home market.
As TNA expands domestically, looking to about 85 houseshows per year, you need to add something, and a title that is defended only in the home territories, while the TNA champion promotes the product internationally, is, IMO, the best way to go.
IF TNA grows to the point that they are doing over 200 dates, and 50 shows internationally, then they might need something like a European title, but up until that point there's no need.
The reason to have a International belt is to complete the Grand Slam and To have a secondary belt. I hope TNA isn't going to do over 200 shows a year. I think around 150 is pushing it. The reason alot of people go to TNA is to relieve their them of so much travel. With not having to be at a show every other day gives us the ability of better matches. They can be more extreme and not look so tired in matches.
TNA already has their version of the "Grand Slam"; being TNA World, Tag and X-division champion, and only three people have done that so far: AJ, Angle and JOE.
I definitely agree 150 is about as many shows as they should do, but the facts still stays that as the product continues to grow, more and more markets are going to want to see the product. 200 shows is definitely an exaggeration.
That is the Triple Crown. A Grand Slam is 4 titles. Like in WWE. The WWE or World, The Ic, The World Tag or the WWE tag and the European. TNA amount of shows a year should be around 130. 150 at most if they need to. Minim around 75.
You need to win the X title to have a triple Crown. This title is to be made to finish the grand slam and you can have a leupol where if you win the World title, tag, and IH you have completed a alternate Triple crown. Because do you really see Tomko, or Sting, or Abyss winning the X title.
Again, your Grand Slam idea is unnecessary, for the simple fact that the Grand Slam was supposed to mean that some one had held all the belts in the promotion, rather than just holding 4 belts.
Adding a belt, and then trying to work around the actual rules, cheapens the accomplishment.
The fact that it's something that most wrestlers aren't ever able to do is what makes it a special accomplishment.
Well we can keep it only 4 belts. There would only be 4 belts in the first place. I just don't see many people winning the X title. I just think TNA needs a grand slam because WWE has one. If one company has one you have to have the alternative to it.
If the concept doesn't apply to TNA, I don't feel they should add it, just to look like WWE. What does that do to differentiate TNA from WWE? Nothing.
The current Triple Crown for TNA works because, each title represents a different style of competition, and being a champion in each style, truly shows that you're deserving of the Title triple Crown Winner.
Not just because WWE has won because it is something else to fight for. You won the grandslam. That is something. You need more rewards in TNA. look at AJ a 3 time Triple Crown. Joe a one time along with Angle. Only 3people have accomplished the Triple Crown imagine if you're the only one to win the grandslam. That is something else to use in Storylines. Like Roode wants to be the first grandslam so he starts fighting for titles. The Triple Crown hurts belts though. You have to win the X belt
I see where you going the North American would be their home title. Still paying respect to their home Country. Maybe TNA could make a American Championship. Not North American. Just the TNA American Championship.
TNA's domestic market should include US, Canada and Mexico, along with PR and a couple other islands, so just calling the belt the American Championship ignores the other countries involved in the home markets.
TNA already has that with the X-Division. Every secondary title, ever created had it's limitations, for the simple fact that it pointed, eventually, to gunning for the top belt.
There's no need to hide what it truly is, a respectable belt that TNA could use to designate the next guys that they feels they can push in the main event, the main stage.
Yes the World Champion should be pushed as a flag bear but that still doesn't stop TNA having the International Championship. When WWE started going to more countries that had the European Championship.
If the World Champion is already the international flagbearer, I don't see the need to make an International Champion, especially since TNA does very few shows internationally.
WWE brought in the European championship when they first really started to tour heavily in Europe.
It isn't about the International movement. it is about making a secondary title. Get of the market. I don't give a shit about the market. TNA needs a secondary title. The International is something new. You wouldn't have to change it when TNA does go international when you would have to with the North American.
TNA isn't going to do that many more shows internationally, just yet, so there's nothing international about the movement. An International Heavyweight championship would make sense if TNA was actually taking it's product internationally a fair amount of the time, but they aren't.
TNA does most of it's business in North America, and I don't see the time when TNA does a good amount of business intertantionally coming anytime soon, so a North American title makes far more sense than a IH title.
Okay TNA has been doing more shows in Japan so just because of that they have become a international company. WWE does most of it's business in the US and all of their ppvs are in the US but they have a IC title. Maybe TNA should make a US title instead of the IH or NA but people would say that is a rip off of WWE when actually the NWA and WCW did it first before WWE.
TNA did one show in Japan, and they are probably looking to do more. TNA is doing 4 shows in the UK, and they are maybe planning to do more. TNA has done single shows in Portugal and Spain, a are probably planning to do more shows in greater Europe. TNA probably also has plans to take the show back "down under". TNA continues to expand internationally, but they're not their yet.
Making a US title would be a great idea, but I specifically stayed away from that name, because of the association it would have with the WWE US Championship.
IMO, North American Heavyweight Championship gets the same feeling across as the US championship, without the fan stigma of already being a WWE belt.
They could go the way of WCW. Call it the TNA United States Heavyweight Championship. WWE doesn't push the Heavyweight part. Technically the US is a NWA belt. NWA then WCW then WWE. I just don't like the name North American. I guess it would be the better idea but I just feel like it has the name of a 3rd tier.
US Heavyweight title and US title, are too close of terms for me.
To me, North American Heavyweight Championship makes the most sense, because it expands on the NWA/JCP/WCW use of the secondary title, without sound like a WWE championship
Yeah I understand and I don't want to hear more marks that forget that WWE didn't come up with the name. The IH would work just as well. NWA has had a International Heavyweight Championship.
Ever heard of the Perfeplex (Curt Hennings Finisher). Jake Roberts used the DDT as his finish - Tully Blanchard used a springboard suplex, and Hogan used a Leg Drop, so a Fisherman Suplex is not that stupid. The Peoples Elbow - now there is a stupid finishing move - IT'S AN FANCY ELBOW DROP FOR CHRIST SAKE IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR HIM TO DO IT, IN THAT LENGTH OF TIME I COULD HAVE GIVEN A GUY THREE STUNNERS !!!
Matt Morgan is nothing more than a glorified jobber. And how is Roode a jobber, he beat 'The Chosen One, Double J, The King of the Mountain' Jeff Jarrett.
Dude he was saying that Roode was a jobber and Roode has beaten 5+ former world champions. Roode is a future world champ, almost the complete opisite of a jobber.
Oh my bad, I was reading from the front page not the full comment page. I thought you were saying Jobbers dont beat former world champions. Because they are plenty of jobbers that have gone on to be very amazing in the ring. Sorry about that. In general I get really touchy about the term jobber because it seems that term is thrown out a lot and half the time its not even true.
I completly agree with you. Roode isn't a jobber, I don't even think the last three guys who Vladmir Kozlov beat we're jobbers, but Jake Babacawhatshisface in some indy promostion from texas who comes to WWE for one match...he's a jobber.
Yep, thats how I feel. If you are offically on the WWE roster you are not a Jobber. Thats like saying if HHH lost he is a jobber because he lost. Just because you loose doesnt make you a jobber. Some calling it doing the job but everyone who is actually in the company will have winning and losing streaks and in the middle streaks. Although, I have heard some people call them Jobber To The Stars. Which is even more degrading I think. Thats implying they arent stars themself.
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RelliKakaVampiro 2 years ago
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pet06785 3 years ago
TNA damn sure needs to have that mid-card belt for guys that aren't quite ready to hold the Heavyweight chapionship,but deserve to have some type of gold. Guys like Robert Roode,James Storm,Kaz,Eric Young,and Tomko. Even head guys like AJ,and Booker. This could set up some great fueds for a TNA National Championship. Name could use a working but u get the picture.
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ScrewCity4Life 3 years ago 5
Very good point right there. I'm one of Joe's biggest fans, but please TNA, get the damn strap off of him.
ThreeMafia171 3 years ago 2
why shouldnt joe have the belt?its his time. tna has been prepping him for this moment since he came. its his first reign at champ. let him get his shine on brah
ScrewCity4Life 3 years ago
Screwcity4life,agreed.
mightyblack1 3 years ago
ScrewCity4Life, a couple things. Great idea first of all but you gotta like how TNA totally jacked up their tag team roster...BEER MONEY and now it appears to be Abyss and Matt Morgan(i hope his gimmick changes, i hate the constant yelling). But that along with Team 3D, Rhino and Christian Cage, LAX, MCMG, and even Sharkboy and Curryman would be a great gimmick. That is a great tag team roster something WWE extremely lacks.
cartmanj24 3 years ago
Dang Those two were going back and forth for a long time.
Sasuke1547 3 years ago
Bill and Doug sleep together !! TNA sucks
WWEsuperGod 3 years ago
Leave the TNA videos you WWE mark. It shows how much a idiot you are and that you don't have a life that you can take the time to come to a TNA video and just say TNA sucks.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
There may be worse finishers, but the fisherman suplex is still a bad one. Note that before wrestling wasn't what it is today. I know that Curt Henning used a fisherman suplex as a finisher before Robert Roode, but none of your comparisons are from this day. Wrestling was less hardcore and slower than it is now.
eaglewings 3 years ago
He does that because he is INFLUENCED by Hennig, you idiot.
Plus alot of wrestlers use crappier, rehashed finishers that don't do a godamn fucking thing. Stop hating.
And this less hardcore shit doesn't mean anything. Robert's not a godamn X-Division style wrestler, FUCK OFF
HipHop24Seven 3 years ago
yeah
haslovetht 3 years ago
lol i honestly think they should have a spike tv championship belt lol.. it a tv title but its kinda cool cause spike is actually called "spike tv". lol i dont know it would bring publicity which is good
ScullyboyDX 3 years ago
i dont like him
MiLaNoDsL 3 years ago
tna sucs
nbachamp28 3 years ago
Then why are you here? Go to WWE fan nation and bitch over there. This video is for TNA fans not WWE marks.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
tna picks up wwe's rejects-3d,rhino,
kurt angle, christian cage,scott steiner,kevin nash,booker t,aj styles,rikishi,and etc.who named more
nbachamp28 3 years ago
Aj was never in WWE. He did a tryout match. WWE wants Cage back. That doesn't sound like a reject to me. They also want Nash and Angle and 3D back. They also wanted Rhino back when they made the ECW brand. Steiner is a name that can bring in money and I believe WWE would take him aswell as Booker t who they didn't want to get rid of.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
WWE takes MVP, Mr. Kennedy, Paul London, BDV, Murdoch, Kaz, Dustin Runnel, Jim Duggan, Jeff Hardy, Super Crazy, Chris Harris, Ron Killings, Umaga, Mickie James, Shannon Moore, Jimmy Wang Yang, CM Punk, Brian Kendrick, Ball Mahoney, Sabu, and The Sandman. all were in TNA. Also many more.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago 2
jeff hardy started out in wwe
sabu and sandman were in ecw
nbachamp28 3 years ago
Well if you want to talk about it like that then. You can't use Steiner, Booker T, Sting, 3D, Rhino, Nash, Sharmell or Jeff Jarrett.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
tna picks up wwe's rejects-3d,rhino,
kurt angle, christian cage,scott steiner,kevin nash,booker t,aj styles,rikishi,sting,sharmell,christy hemme,jeff jarrett,
nbachamp28 3 years ago
Every single wrestler you just named Quit WWE to be a reject they would have to be rejected from WWE which they haven't those superstars just went to the better company and Jeff Jarret is the founder of TNA you my friend need to get your facts right.
TNABEST 3 years ago 2
Kurt Angle,Christian Cage,and Booker T all left WWE
Aj Styles turned down their develomental contract years ago
Sting also turned WWE down
Jeff Jarrett left WWE in 99
erkblitz1 3 years ago
once again you have no idea wtf ur on about
TNABEST 3 years ago
one of the best wrestler of TNA!
RebboRulez 3 years ago 4
tna picks up wwes reject wrestlers
nbachamp28 3 years ago
WWE picks up TNA's rejects. Killings, Harris, MVP, Mr. Kennedy, Murdoch, CM Punk, Mickie James, Paul London, etc.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago 4
AND TNA PICKS UP WWE REJECTS...idiot
AdamTheCailler 3 years ago
I was replying to a guy who said that TNA picks up WWE rejects you retard. Go find out who I'm talking to first idiot.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
tna is gay wwe rules
nbachamp28 3 years ago
he could never beat joe for the title
irulemankind 3 years ago
Roode = meh. Ok, but hardly a line crosser.
zappared 3 years ago
TNA should've kept Team Canada, that was the High point in the careers of Eric Young, Bobby Roode, A1, Johnny Devine....And it was a good tag team too, their matches with AMW were amazing....I miss the 2005-2006 days of TNA...
joe88john 3 years ago 2
i think thats when roode next big step will be
i think when he finally ready for a title run itll be in a serious robert roode inc faction
thats just what i thinks gonna happen
TheShocK2 3 years ago
Robert Roode > All heels at the moment.
DubbleJ 3 years ago 2
id have to throw him in third over all but deffinantly number one in TNA
hiandhappy 3 years ago
That Was Rude!
laxine87 3 years ago
I wonder how Robert Roode would do as a face.
He is the next Mr.Perfect
potmanbox 3 years ago 3
I have a strong feeling Abyss is going to win the title. I mean they wouldn't hype him up so much just to loose
TheForgottenFlesh 3 years ago
He doesn't need to go after the title.
We haven't seen the payoff to the Abyss/Mitchell feud yet, so they can run with that, at least until BFG 2008, maybe even till the end of the year.
Here's hoping JOE carries the belt, un broken, till BFG 2009!
scipio2009 3 years ago
Roode is one of the best heels in mainstream wrestling today, IMO.
Xydrok 3 years ago 2
A champion in the making, can't get enough of this guy.
EpicMike7 3 years ago
hes gay
omgbw123 3 years ago
i agree to that. cheers :)
quatro27 3 years ago
I have to say I think Robert Roode.. Well not a bad wrestler but I never liked him. It's not cuz he's heel because I like many heel people in TNA today. Fuck, Team 3D are one of my favorites! But I just... never got around to liking Roode at all
Willianatior 3 years ago 2
Roode is the most underrated wrestler in the business today. If he doesn't get the title at least once by the end of the year, then I'm done watching TNA.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
Yeah he isn't going to win it. The only people that might win the title this year probably are AJ, Booker T, Abyss, and Kaz. Maybe Jeff Jarrett, Angle, and Cage.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
Yeah, I know. I've been waiting for Roode to get a title shot as long as I can remember and even though I know it was part of his character, he was right, every time TNA brings in some WWE walk out, he gets pushed down again. I'm sick of it. TNA has no loyalty to their originals. You don't get to the dance and then dump your date for the first hoe that comes around, at least a REAL man doesn't.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
Yeah I agree with you. I think they need to push home grown talent over talent from another company.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
I know the Jarretts would never do that, so you can blame Dixie Carter for that. She's doing exactly what caused WCW to fail and its almost like she's doing it on purpose. It's really pathetic. I feel sorry for Jeff, with everything he's lost, having to watch something he loves so much turn into such garbage must be really hard.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
I just wish i could be the booker for TNA because I would push real TNA talent and people who deserve the world title over guys that could just make alot of money. I would take Angle out of the main event and just push good talent. At Turning point this year i would have Kaz vs Daniels vs AJ vs Joe for the world title. And at Genesis I would have Kaz vs AJ vs Joe in a Ultimate X match for the TNA title.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
Yea, I like how you think. What's really going to piss me off is if Team 3D wins the titles from LAX at the next PPV, because that'll just be more of the same crap. As far as I'm concerned, with the exception of Jarrett, if the title isn't on AJ Styles then it's being wasted. But, Kaz, Roode and Daniels have all proven they deserve shots as well.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
I don't think LAX will lose the titles to 3D. Maybe Rock N Rave or MCMG. If 3D wins them then it is to lose them to MCMG. I just hope TNA is wise and reads my comment and puts LAX (C) vs MMG for the tag titles at Bound for Glory in Ultimate X. Also push Kaz to win the TNA title this year from AJ. Also give Daniels a shot next year at it. Make another title like the TNA International Heavyweight Championship and give it to Roode so he can call it the TNA Canadian Championship while he holds it.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
You had me until you said they should introduce a new title. I HATE minor titles. They are pointless.
"If you're not in it to win the World title, then you're wasting your time." - Kevin Nash
Especially in an organization that totes itself as having no size barriers, its a waste of time to even have the X-Division title. They should get rid of it and just have ONE title that its ALL about.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
yeah they should get rid of the x division and have the 3 titles
foaly5 3 years ago
Exactly. I mean what exactly is the point of the X-Championship? Anybody can challenge for it. It's basically the same thing as the IC and US titles. It's the "you're good, just not WORLD Championship good" title. LOL If it were me, it should be ALL or NOTHING.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
Without the X Division then there is no TNA. TNA got big on the X Division. You can't just have a big heavyweight. Then you're just like WWE. That is why you make a secondary title. You let them fight over it until they're ready to main event. Without the X Division then TNA is just WWE.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
"You can't just have a big heavyweight. Then you're just like WWE."
LMAO I don't know where to start with that statement. For starters. The WWE has THREE heavyweight titles, the World title, the WWE title and the ECW title. Second, they have TWO minor titles, the IC title & the US title. So, your argument is completely flawed there.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
That is why I said to make new titles. Anyway the ECW title is more like the IC. The World Heavyweight isn't getting as much respect anymore. The WWE title is always held by 3 guys. Cena, RKO, or HHH. You want to do is get rid of the X. Make no new title and just place everyone going after the Heavyweight. That is around 35 people, Going after one title.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
"Without the X Division then there is no TNA."
It's that kind of small minded thinking that is costing TNA big time. YES the X-division DID make TNA different, but no way is the reason TNA got big. TNA got big because it pushed talent that had either turned their back on, walked out on or were rejected by the WWE. People still wanted to see them and they could turn to TNA to watch them. The same way WCW did to WWE and vice versa.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
When you think of TNA you don't think of how TNA used Ron Killings, Monty Brown, or Jeff Hardy. When you think TNA you think X Division. Also TNA should keep the title because WWE has forgotten their cruiserweight Division and people always love to see high flying wrestling. Roode could be a world champion but not right now. TNA needs to make a Secondary title or another world title. Either the International Heavyweight Championship or the Universal Heavyweight Championship.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
Being IC, US or X-Division champion is a slap in the face. It's basically their nice way of saying "you're good, just NOT World Championship good". Adding new titles is a sign of desperation, even Vince McMahon said so when he was doing the Euro and Hardcore titles.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
If the crowd isn't on his side then he can't be champion. You have to make sure the dude is ready to hold that belt. You give as much respect to all titles. You're a champion that is all that matters. There are 35 people and you would have to have the belt change every week for everyone to hold it. You have to make sure they can handle the pressure of being the World Heavyweight Champion. Also I don't care what Vince said. All he does now is have his bastard son in law world champion.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago 2
As far as it "shows what you would be like as champion", so does proving you deserve to be World champion without having to wear a paper championship. It's ALL or nothing, but you'd have to be in the business to understand that.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
I'm not in the business but I understand that you need a secondary title and not just the world title. You need a mid-card belt. The Main event belt. The Tag belt. And the Women's belt. You have a belt for each division so they can play with that until they should move up. The mid-carders could use the IH and get over with the fans. Then go to the main event like AJ, Joe, and Kaz did.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
You're right, you're not in the business, which means you don't know how it works and therefore don't understand that a secondary title is a slap in the face. Exactly what does Matt Hardy need to prove by holding the US title? The time he's spent in the business doesn't prove he deserves a World title shot? The only minor title that makes sense to me would be the TV title, because this would prove that a person could perform day and day out and is therefore deserving of their spot.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
The reason hardy won the title is either to set up him vs Edge for the world title or they have nothing to do with him. TV titles are really just stupid. It is meant to be defended of TV but it was defended on ppv and TV. I like the idea of a international heavyweight championship because it kind of has world meaning and you treat it just like the world title. It is the last match before the World title. You could have the IH champ vs The World Champ. Have him go over like Warrior against Hogan.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
Well, you're maturity has really fallen in the last few minutes, having to resort to calling something "stupid" is just a sign of a weak argument. But, it can all be wrapped up in one simple statement, you are NOT in the business, therefore you will NEVER understand. Try spending even one year in the business or ten years (as I have) and then talk to me about the business. Other than that, you're completely clueless.
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
I wasn't calling you stupid I was calling TV titles Stupid and many would agree. I just don't like them like you don't like Secondary belts. Also I plan on being in the business as soon as I can get a job at being a booker for some company. I'm completely clueless. From the guy who wants Robert Roode champion now instead of letting him dominate the mid-card division. Instead you want him to fight Angle, Booker T, Joe, Sting, and others for the world title when he would be out of place.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
lol
Playing in an online, create-a-wrestler fed, doesn't count.
scipio2009 3 years ago
lol
So what promotion are you or have you ever booked?
The fact that you can't see the value in a secondary belt, of the top, lets me know you have no idea how to book.
Look at the facts; how many champions, in the last 20 years have gone from midcard to the World title, without holding a secondary belt?
Answer: (off the top of my head) Hogan, Flair and Mankind.
try again
scipio2009 3 years ago
You do understand that not everyone can win the world title. If it changed at every ppv then it would lose all meaning. We need to keep the X Division title and introduce new titles. That is what Nash said but that doesn't matter. You have to be booked to win the title and having a few new titles can help you. It shows what you would be like Champion and sets up for a world reign.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
Speaking of Nash (I mentioned him) and the MCMG (you mentioned them). I think TNA needs a "Michigan Militia". They have enough guys for it. Kevin Nash, Rhyno, Chris Sabin, Alex Shelley, Scott Steiner & Rick Steiner are all from Michigan. Have them turn heel and become a stable from Michigan. And as a surprise, bring in R . . . V . . . D!!! LOL
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
RVD has said that if he wants to go back full time hed want to go with tna and the idea would be a great idea for a nash samoa joe fued.....hm MCMG tag champ,RVD x division,and nash world...i can see it happening
hiandhappy 3 years ago
THE MICHIGAN MILITIA RULES!!! LOL
Kwestshunmarq 3 years ago
The thing that I find most hilarious about reading people's comments on this site, is that, for almost two years, people were clamoring and cursing TNA for not giving the belt to JOE and let him have a long reign with it.
The second TNA puts the belt on JOE, everyone is now clamoring for them to put the belt onto someone else. lol.
Make up your minds already!
scipio2009 3 years ago
I'm for Joe holding the title till Bound for Glory. Because I want 3 matches by the end of this year. Joe vs AJ TNA Title BFG. AJ vs Joe vs KAZ TNA Title Ultimate X Genesis. AJ vs Joe vs Kaz vs Daniels TNA Title Turning Point. AJ wins at BFG. Kaz wins at Turning Point. I want Joe to have a long reign but I really just want Bound for Glory to be a TNA main event and not have Angle, Steiner, Sting, Or Cage in the main event at BFG.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
im all for AJ for champ he's my favorite champion they had but i think being everybody flunky hurt him a bit he needs a few big wins then i like him for champ
TheShocK2 3 years ago
Him beating Kurt would give him all the support as champion I think he could get. I would love for him to win the chance at No Surrender in a 8 man match. Tomko vs Cage vs Rhino vs Booker T vs Sting vs Kurt Angle vs Abyss vs. Steiner in a NoDQ Elimination match. While the main event is Joe vs Nash. If they are going to do that then do it at a ppv that no one really cares about.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
You want JOE to hold onto the belt, yet you want him to eat a big PPV loss to AJ at BFG, lose a big match at the next PPV, and then lose again? Why?
JOE is supposed to be the top guy in TNA, and in 3 months, you plan to completely neuter his character. For what?
JOE, AJ, Cage, Booker, Angle, Roode and Tomko should be TNA's core top players.
As talented as Kaz is, if you just vault him into the main event, without any build, as TNA did at Sacrifice, no one takes him as a serious threat.
scipio2009 3 years ago
I wouldn't plan to destroy him. I plan for him to not lose one match until BFG. Then he'll lose Ultimate X that didn't hurt him last time. Then lose a 4 way at the last ppv of the year. He wouldn't get pinned. He wouldn't lose by pin or sub probably until like the middle of next year. He would still have the dominate heel persona but just would come up short. Oh I would build everyone up. I would have Kaz get the fans on his side. I would have great build for each of the matches.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
The only problem with your plan is that JOE is the #1 face in TNA, with AJ Styles and Cage being close.
If you have your #1 face lose at BFG, joke at the next PPV and then choke again at the PPV after that. losing three big matches in a row, especially with JOE, you're neutering the character.
JOE is supposed to be the biggest and toughest guy in TNA, and the fans LOVE him for that. What are fans "supposed to believe" if they see the toughest guy in TNA choke away three straight title shots?
scipio2009 3 years ago
hahahaha now even though i am a supporter of AJ for champ i definately agree and isnt that all wrestling is they want the champ to be whoever is hot right now
wasnt just a few months ago where every was riding tomko for the title haha
TheShocK2 3 years ago
Yeah I was hoping he would be champion to right now. I wish TNA could get better and pull 3.0s so they could possibly get another show and make another world title that Roode, Storm, Rhino, and Tomko could fight over. Just to make sure it isn't a rip off of WWE's title (so no mark can say anything) I would call it the TNA Universal Heavyweight Championship.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
Isn't the Universe bigger than the World?
Raw has a fanbase that they have spent 20 years acquiring, and they are drawing 3.0s. SD has been building it's base over the last 10 years, and they're drawing mid 2.0's.
Things take time.
Personally, if TNA wants to make another secondary belt, I'd say just call it the TNA North American Championship, since most of the current business is done in North America.
scipio2009 3 years ago
Yeah but in most promotions the World is considered better than the Universal title. Since the TNA title will probably start to be called the TNA Championship by fans the Universal and World names probably won't matter then. I like that Idea but because TNA is expanding and that kind of name would show you're not a world champion, you're just a North American champion. So I would either make the International heavyweight championship or a European title. Maybe Intercontinental.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
When in the history of professional wrestling has a title gone from being a world title to just a promotion title, and that was seen as a good thing. ECW went from being a world championship, to just being the ECW Championship and you see that as a positive?
scipio2009 3 years ago
I don't understand what you are talking about.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
People will always call a world title a world title, unless told to do otherwise. No belt voluntarily goes from being called a world title, to just being called a company title.
Personally, I've never seen or heard of a company with a Universal championship, but in what galaxy is the universe smaller than the world?
TNA is increasing the business it does overseas, but not enough to have a European Championship.
IMO, do it like the NWA used to do it.
scipio2009 3 years ago
yo i think it weird you said universal i was talking once on what a secondary title be for tna and my suggestion was actually the universal championship because 1 it kind of sounds like its along the same guidelines of intercontinental and also because there home is universal studios
TheShocK2 3 years ago
Universal has to much of a big title name. IC sounds like a world title and it gets treated shitty. I think if TNA makes a secondary title then it should be the International Heavyweight Championship. Still kind of has a world title name but is for mid-carders and no other big named promotion today has one of those.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
BUT TNA hardly goes internationally, to defend the International Heavyweight Championship.
Looking for a Title name? Look at the NWA:
-Top Belt: NWA World Heavyweight Title
-2nd Belt: NWA North American Title
-3rd Belt(s): US, Canada, British Commonwealth, Heritage Championships
scipio2009 3 years ago
I agree they need to have a realistic belt but TNA is going to more countries all the time. They been to Japan and Europe. They are broad-casted in Australia. They are getting more exposure everyday. The International belt would work.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
TNA is expanding, but how many dates are they going internationally for?
So far, this year, TNA had the TNA/NJPW show in Japan, and 4 dates in the UK coming up, and that seems to be about it, for now. If your only going to actually go international for less than 10 shows, what would be the significance of having an "International" championship?
In 2007, TNA did tours of PR, Mexico, and Canada, to go along with the domestic dates that they did.
scipio2009 3 years ago
Okay if we go like that then the TNA World Heavyweight should be called the North American Heavyweight Championship. TNA will start to go to more Countries. But I just don't like the name TNA North American Heavyweight Championship. That seems like a degrading title name. It is alright for the NWA but I don't think it would be good in TNA.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
TNA's top belt shouldn't be called the North American Heavyweight Championship, for the simple fact that you top belt and the recognition of your top belt, should represent the goals of your company.
TNA's goal is to be a worldwide wrestling promotion, and that's further evidenced by their relationship with CMLL, New Japan and other top promotions.
Besides, the title, on many occasion, has been defended worldwide, so it's earned that distinction, based on merit.
scipio2009 3 years ago
TNA does most of it's current business in North America. TNA continues to expand it's touring schedule, by adding more shows in the US. What's so degrading about having a North American championship?
Per name, the title won't be defended when TNA goes international, and it'll become another tool, to advance talent and enhance the expanding domestic house show experience.
scipio2009 3 years ago
Okay all titles in TNA are world recognized. the World tag is recognized by PWI so it is a world title. Everybody's dream in wrestling is to be a world champion. With a title called North American Championship it would be world recognized but you would feel like I'm only the world champion of North America. It is a degrading title name. For the NWA it is okay but for TNA it isn't.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
The North American Heavyweight Championship isn't meant to become world recognized, for the simple fact that the title would not be defended beyond North America.
My goal for such a belt, would be to feature talent, not quite ready to be at the top of the card, in front of the bulk of their target audience, the North American market.
scipio2009 3 years ago
Well it is going to be recognized by PWI. It is a secondary belt but it will be recognized as the TNA World North American Heavyweight Championship. I just would rather they have a International Heavyweight Championship instead. Because you're talking about the market. What happens when TNA gets as big as WWE. When TNA starts doing ppvs in Australia or England.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
TNA is at least, a good 4-5 years away from that, especially since they are just really starting to establish their domestic house show tourings. TNA has so many other things to work on before they even consider putting on PPVs outside of the US, let alone Australia.
TNA needs to take all their PPVs/TV on the road, have successful live specials, get Xplosion on network TV, increase the touring, continue Global Impact, and be ready to go live, before worrying about a Live PPv in England.
scipio2009 3 years ago
I don't think TNA should ever have a ppv outside the US. I think TNA needs to get to the point that they have every ppv at a different place so the iMPACT! Zone is only used for TNA iMPACT!.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
You just tried to use the rationale that TNA should have a International Heavyweight belt, because of the possibility that TNA could eventually be as big as WWE and even consider doing a PPV abroad, yet you don't think "TNA should ever have a PPV outside the US"?
What's be the rationale for the title's name then? Make up your mind already.
scipio2009 3 years ago
I don't remember ever saying they should have a ppv out of the US. I said have shows outside of US but I don't rememeber saying have a ppv. They could but I don't want them to.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
Well if that world is called the world for that reason shouldn't instead of having the TNA North American title instead just have the TNA International Championship. for the same reason. TNA wants to go international.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
If TNA wants to go international, wouldn't the best way to do so be pushing your World Champion in those international markets, rather than make a new title, for a market that you currently do very few shows in?
When WWE first began to expand over sees, did they push British Bulldog, the European champion, as the international face of the company? No, they didn't. They took their top champion, Bret Hart, and made him the international face of WWE.
It's the same concept
scipio2009 3 years ago
I'm not making the title for the international market. i'm making it for a secondary title. The reason I would make it the International is because it sounds better and would be respected more by fans all over the world. Also where have I ever said push the International Champion over the World. The World Champion should be the face of TNA not the second teir champion. If TNA makes a tour of China or Africa or some country then the World Champion should be the main guy. Not the International.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
Then what's the point of calling the belt the International Heavyweight Championship, if the World Champion is the International face of the promotion?
What are fans supposed to respect?
scipio2009 3 years ago
I never mean for the IH title to be the face. It is just there to have a secondary belt. When WWE goes to other countries do they push the IC belt? no. Because they don't so that is there no point to the IC?
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
I just feel that it'd more effective to call the secondary belt, The North American Heavyweight Championship or the Americas Championship, rather than the International h title.
scipio2009 3 years ago
I think it should be called either the IH or the US. Maybe even have a hardcore title. Called the NoDQ championship. Just like the WWE Hardcore but without the 24/7 rule. It would be a NoDQ rules championship that can only be won in the ring. Falls and subs only count in the ring. It could have respect because the longer you hold it the better champion you are.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
As TNA expands it touring schedule, IMO topping out at no more than 150 dates, for TV, PPV and house shows, TNA is going to look to further solidifying the domestic markets.
Based solely on that assumption, working more dates in the US, Mexico, Canada and the surrounding islands, makes much more logistical sense than pushing for international markets.
Besides, if TNA is expanding internationally, wouldn't it make more sense to push the top star, the TNA World Champion, as the flag bearer.
scipio2009 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure that's what World champions are supposed to do, put forward a strong image of their company, outside of the home market.
As TNA expands domestically, looking to about 85 houseshows per year, you need to add something, and a title that is defended only in the home territories, while the TNA champion promotes the product internationally, is, IMO, the best way to go.
scipio2009 3 years ago
IF TNA grows to the point that they are doing over 200 dates, and 50 shows internationally, then they might need something like a European title, but up until that point there's no need.
scipio2009 3 years ago
The reason to have a International belt is to complete the Grand Slam and To have a secondary belt. I hope TNA isn't going to do over 200 shows a year. I think around 150 is pushing it. The reason alot of people go to TNA is to relieve their them of so much travel. With not having to be at a show every other day gives us the ability of better matches. They can be more extreme and not look so tired in matches.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
TNA already has their version of the "Grand Slam"; being TNA World, Tag and X-division champion, and only three people have done that so far: AJ, Angle and JOE.
I definitely agree 150 is about as many shows as they should do, but the facts still stays that as the product continues to grow, more and more markets are going to want to see the product. 200 shows is definitely an exaggeration.
scipio2009 3 years ago
That is the Triple Crown. A Grand Slam is 4 titles. Like in WWE. The WWE or World, The Ic, The World Tag or the WWE tag and the European. TNA amount of shows a year should be around 130. 150 at most if they need to. Minim around 75.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
TNA doesn't need a Grand Slam, for the simple fact that the Triple Crown already carries major importance in TNA.
scipio2009 3 years ago
You need to win the X title to have a triple Crown. This title is to be made to finish the grand slam and you can have a leupol where if you win the World title, tag, and IH you have completed a alternate Triple crown. Because do you really see Tomko, or Sting, or Abyss winning the X title.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
Again, your Grand Slam idea is unnecessary, for the simple fact that the Grand Slam was supposed to mean that some one had held all the belts in the promotion, rather than just holding 4 belts.
Adding a belt, and then trying to work around the actual rules, cheapens the accomplishment.
The fact that it's something that most wrestlers aren't ever able to do is what makes it a special accomplishment.
scipio2009 3 years ago
Well we can keep it only 4 belts. There would only be 4 belts in the first place. I just don't see many people winning the X title. I just think TNA needs a grand slam because WWE has one. If one company has one you have to have the alternative to it.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
"TNA needs a grand slam because WWE has one"?
If the concept doesn't apply to TNA, I don't feel they should add it, just to look like WWE. What does that do to differentiate TNA from WWE? Nothing.
The current Triple Crown for TNA works because, each title represents a different style of competition, and being a champion in each style, truly shows that you're deserving of the Title triple Crown Winner.
scipio2009 3 years ago
Not just because WWE has won because it is something else to fight for. You won the grandslam. That is something. You need more rewards in TNA. look at AJ a 3 time Triple Crown. Joe a one time along with Angle. Only 3people have accomplished the Triple Crown imagine if you're the only one to win the grandslam. That is something else to use in Storylines. Like Roode wants to be the first grandslam so he starts fighting for titles. The Triple Crown hurts belts though. You have to win the X belt
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
I see where you going the North American would be their home title. Still paying respect to their home Country. Maybe TNA could make a American Championship. Not North American. Just the TNA American Championship.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
TNA's domestic market should include US, Canada and Mexico, along with PR and a couple other islands, so just calling the belt the American Championship ignores the other countries involved in the home markets.
scipio2009 3 years ago
America has Mexico, Canada, and the US.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
When people think America, most people think of the United States of AMERICA, U.S.A.
When they say the Americas, people are referring to the US, Canada, Mexico, and Latin America, along with the Caribbean and the surrounding islands.
pick one, instead of trying to call the countries that make up North America, just America.
scipio2009 3 years ago
I'm just trying to have a title that doesn't sound like it has limits and is something new to the big time wrestling scene.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
TNA already has that with the X-Division. Every secondary title, ever created had it's limitations, for the simple fact that it pointed, eventually, to gunning for the top belt.
There's no need to hide what it truly is, a respectable belt that TNA could use to designate the next guys that they feels they can push in the main event, the main stage.
call a spade, a spade.
it is what it is.
scipio2009 3 years ago
Do you really see guys like Tomko winning the X belt and holding it proudly?
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
good point
ScrewCity4Life 3 years ago
thanks.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
Yes the World Champion should be pushed as a flag bear but that still doesn't stop TNA having the International Championship. When WWE started going to more countries that had the European Championship.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
If the World Champion is already the international flagbearer, I don't see the need to make an International Champion, especially since TNA does very few shows internationally.
WWE brought in the European championship when they first really started to tour heavily in Europe.
TNA isn't at that point yet.
scipio2009 3 years ago
It isn't about the International movement. it is about making a secondary title. Get of the market. I don't give a shit about the market. TNA needs a secondary title. The International is something new. You wouldn't have to change it when TNA does go international when you would have to with the North American.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
TNA isn't going to do that many more shows internationally, just yet, so there's nothing international about the movement. An International Heavyweight championship would make sense if TNA was actually taking it's product internationally a fair amount of the time, but they aren't.
TNA does most of it's business in North America, and I don't see the time when TNA does a good amount of business intertantionally coming anytime soon, so a North American title makes far more sense than a IH title.
scipio2009 3 years ago
Okay TNA has been doing more shows in Japan so just because of that they have become a international company. WWE does most of it's business in the US and all of their ppvs are in the US but they have a IC title. Maybe TNA should make a US title instead of the IH or NA but people would say that is a rip off of WWE when actually the NWA and WCW did it first before WWE.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
TNA did one show in Japan, and they are probably looking to do more. TNA is doing 4 shows in the UK, and they are maybe planning to do more. TNA has done single shows in Portugal and Spain, a are probably planning to do more shows in greater Europe. TNA probably also has plans to take the show back "down under". TNA continues to expand internationally, but they're not their yet.
The IC title is a completely different story.
scipio2009 3 years ago
Making a US title would be a great idea, but I specifically stayed away from that name, because of the association it would have with the WWE US Championship.
IMO, North American Heavyweight Championship gets the same feeling across as the US championship, without the fan stigma of already being a WWE belt.
scipio2009 3 years ago
They could go the way of WCW. Call it the TNA United States Heavyweight Championship. WWE doesn't push the Heavyweight part. Technically the US is a NWA belt. NWA then WCW then WWE. I just don't like the name North American. I guess it would be the better idea but I just feel like it has the name of a 3rd tier.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
US Heavyweight title and US title, are too close of terms for me.
To me, North American Heavyweight Championship makes the most sense, because it expands on the NWA/JCP/WCW use of the secondary title, without sound like a WWE championship
scipio2009 3 years ago
Yeah I understand and I don't want to hear more marks that forget that WWE didn't come up with the name. The IH would work just as well. NWA has had a International Heavyweight Championship.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
But they have went international. Making a IH title shows they want to be a international company.
Tucanforpres001 3 years ago
Ive always liked Roode since his Team Canada days Roode should be TNA World Heavyweight Chamion in a couple of years!
WrestlingsSavior 3 years ago
No one can deny Roode's excellent ability in cutting great heel promos.
HrZC 3 years ago 2
ROBERT ROODE = FUTURE WORLD CHAMP!
NoBrianNoGain 3 years ago
I don't like Robert Roode and many people agree with me. Even Bill and Doug.
Keep him as a jobber.
solemnpears 3 years ago
good promo, they should air this during impact!!
xoxoJOHNxoxo 3 years ago
They did air all these promos during iMPACT.
ThePacmanClassic 3 years ago
robert roode is awesome
xshadw 3 years ago 2
He would be a lot more credible of a main event talent if they aired promos like this for him on a regular basis.
MarvelousMatt 3 years ago
"Bobby Roode is not a man to be trifeld with"
The way your booking him disagres.
MattMystrieo 3 years ago 5
Lovely comment! :D
solemnpears 3 years ago
If it doesn't make money....i doesn't make sense
MpireWrestling 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I just can't see how he pins people with a fisherman suplex...
eaglewings 3 years ago
Ever heard of the Perfeplex (Curt Hennings Finisher). Jake Roberts used the DDT as his finish - Tully Blanchard used a springboard suplex, and Hogan used a Leg Drop, so a Fisherman Suplex is not that stupid. The Peoples Elbow - now there is a stupid finishing move - IT'S AN FANCY ELBOW DROP FOR CHRIST SAKE IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR HIM TO DO IT, IN THAT LENGTH OF TIME I COULD HAVE GIVEN A GUY THREE STUNNERS !!!
Cyberpit2000 3 years ago 3
I gotta admit that I used to hate this guy, but he's really improving and I'm starting to become a really big fan of his.
DegrassiSoulja05 3 years ago
Robert Roods pwns. His promos are awesome...
Seriously, he should be pushed.
Greenbay121 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
he is and always goimg to be a jobber
angelcaido79 3 years ago
what he beat mat morgan one on one
tamourmehmood1 3 years ago
Matt Morgan is nothing more than a glorified jobber. And how is Roode a jobber, he beat 'The Chosen One, Double J, The King of the Mountain' Jeff Jarrett.
TehOriginal1 3 years ago 2
Whens the last time Roode lost a Match?
MpireWrestling 3 years ago
Jobbers dont beat former world champions
NeroShade 3 years ago
Oh really? Proof?
SOA1 3 years ago
Dude he was saying that Roode was a jobber and Roode has beaten 5+ former world champions. Roode is a future world champ, almost the complete opisite of a jobber.
NeroShade 3 years ago 2
Oh my bad, I was reading from the front page not the full comment page. I thought you were saying Jobbers dont beat former world champions. Because they are plenty of jobbers that have gone on to be very amazing in the ring. Sorry about that. In general I get really touchy about the term jobber because it seems that term is thrown out a lot and half the time its not even true.
SOA1 3 years ago
I completly agree with you. Roode isn't a jobber, I don't even think the last three guys who Vladmir Kozlov beat we're jobbers, but Jake Babacawhatshisface in some indy promostion from texas who comes to WWE for one match...he's a jobber.
NeroShade 3 years ago
Yep, thats how I feel. If you are offically on the WWE roster you are not a Jobber. Thats like saying if HHH lost he is a jobber because he lost. Just because you loose doesnt make you a jobber. Some calling it doing the job but everyone who is actually in the company will have winning and losing streaks and in the middle streaks. Although, I have heard some people call them Jobber To The Stars. Which is even more degrading I think. Thats implying they arent stars themself.
SOA1 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
He's A Douche!
NY4Life 3 years ago
robert roode is best
can149 3 years ago 5
sexiest man in wrestling baby!
Curvychloe 3 years ago 2