We Are Change Oshkosh speaks with Richard Gage at the AE 9-11 Truth Midwest Tour 2011

[JGH8sDaDebunkerz]

I don't agree with attacking Gage. He put together a huge organization which is now giving exposure and credibility to 911 truth. We can't just throw weather weapons at the American people, their having enough trouble with the towers falling by something other than fire. Seek the truth but don't attack other people who are part of your cause because they wont subscribe to your theories. I'm not ruling anything out but lets get the people behinds us instead of attacking and looking unorganized

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@JGH8sDaDebunkerz This only turned into what it did because of how Richard Gage reacted to my questions. HE OUTRIGHT LIED ABOUT SEEING THE PHOTOS I PRESENTED. Did you miss that? This is about the whole truth, not just the ideas that the mainstream "patriots" present, and when real evidence is there for directed energy technology, it needs to be acknowledged, not suppressed.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@JGH8sDaDebunkerz And if you want to talk about who attacks who, talk to Gage about him and the rest of the controlled 9-11 "Truth" movement about why they invent terms such as "space rays", rather than using the proper term, Directed Energy Weapons, to try to take credibility away from researchers like Dr. Judy Wood.

[UMakeTheConnection]

Gage --- you just lost all credibility with me. AE911 Truth is not something I will ever support as I once did. It`s all about checking the evidence, keeping an open mind, which you obviously did , only to the point that suited you. Richard, read Dr. Judy Woods` book, it does nothing but show evidence of directed energy. So Richard, what`s your deal - who is paying you.... inquiring minds need to know. Thank you for posting this eye opening video.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@UMakeTheConnection  No problem. More to come in the future. Thank you for watching, and please share the videos.

[freidenki]

nobody can discuss away the microsperes, the proven explosives in the dust, the tons of molten steel under the colapsed buildings,no 757 at the pentagon, no plane in shanksville.......all we need is a real and indepedant investigation! period.

we owe it to the victims and their relatives.

[jonnyy40]

They don't look like cookie cutter holes to me.Just a greater volume of debris fell there perhaps.If you believe lasers 'did it',form your own organisation.SpaceBeamsdotcom is probably free?

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@jonnyy40 Saying we should start a different organization just because we are willing to deal with ALL of the evidence rather than just SOME of the evidence is illogical and would go against the guidelines of WAC as a whole. You sound like a closed-minded jerk to even suggest that. You should read the code of conduct and mission statement before you open your mouth next time.

[megamicron]

What is your point kid?

[MrWoodeye]

All you need to do is read Dr. Judy Wood's book, "Where Did The Towers Go? Evidence of Free Energy Technology". Read it and the controversy ends. This book will eventually become the bible of 9-11 Truth!. There is a much bigger issue being suppressed here. Can you say "FREE ENERGY?" When this is finally exposed, we will be freed of our dependence on polluting oil and the the controlling oil oligarchy cabal.

[DianeDi]

@MrWoodeye I have to agree with you on this ! I resisted for too long, much to my regret. I am not saying that many of the events on that horrific day didn't happen, but what I have realized is we are looking at a technology / energy that is so powerful and has been used as a weapon against us and will probably be used again. We really need to blow the lid off this! People shouldn't be so closed minded - remember 100 years +/- ago, the radio?? That was pretty hard for people to understand.

[homiescopies]

lets all start over. you just learned the truth about 9.11, you are just now seeing the photos of the cars, blocks away from the wtc, HOW do you explain this ?

[wearechangeoshkosh]

I suggest EVERYONE watch this video as well

watch?v=sdzx85klMYk&feature=pl­ayer_embedded#at=255

[blueshadow1996]

Maybe they should consider the steel used in steel frame structures. Because a structure like these need strenght to hold up the floors.Type T1 is used because it is great to weld using electric arc welding,it heats and cools rapidly so the mechanical properties that give it strength are not affected..using other types of welding ie as mig/tig welding,slag welding or any steel requiring multiple arcs because the heat slowly cools and weakens..,,It was the fire .the towers fell on other buildn

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@blueshadow1996 It was the fire! LOL! Really man. You arent even willing to admit the official story makes zero sense scientifically? WOW.

[blueshadow1996]

@wearechangeoshkosh Is there any other theory that says other wise that makes sense?..Fire has always weakened steel..ask any black smith or welder or gunsmith.. And he will explain what happens when you anneal or temper steel..The NIST report encourages Architects and structural engineers are encouraged to become aware of how heat weakens steel..Think about thermal expansion and what it does to steel..Try working with steel and you will see its limitations..

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@blueshadow1996 The fact that you said thermal expansion is hilarious to me. Heat eakens steel, yes. But not at the temps the buildings were at, not nearly enough to cause the entire structure to disappear. The towers didn't collapse, they literally turned to dust. Watch the clip of the tower that i used twice in this vid and explain what happens to the last piece (dustification) by "thermal expansion", or even by thermite. Neither idea holds up at all.

[dwrocker1]

@wearechangeoshkosh why can I not put a vid comment, I took time from my daughter this after noon just for you and I cannot put it on here

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@dwrocker1 I dont know why you cant make a video response. I'll check the settings. You should seriously stop parading your daughter around in your comments in attempts to slime your way into people's hearts. You being a father has nothing to do with facts or evidence, so stop trying to use your kid to inspire sympathy. You sound pathetic, and its an appeal to sympathy, which is a logical fallacy.

[tjxkid]

Thx for the vid !

[tjxkid]

Truth is conscious ! You cannot hide it for ever !.

[TruthFeature]

I would consider myself a 9-11 truther who has a good understanding of what the Architects and Engineers for 9-11 truth say about controlled demolition being used and I have been mostly convinced that was the case. However, I would be doing myself a disservice if I did not seriously consider the evidence shown in this video. I have been a vocal supporter of ae911truth and the theory of controlled demolition for years. Now I am reevaluating the entire event. the rabbit hole goes even deeper....

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@TruthFeature  I completely understand. I was the same until recently.

[pookzta]

WAY TO GO MARK!!! ASKING ABOUT EVIDENCE THAT GAUGE NEVER MENTIONS, YOU ROCK!!! Way to seek the truth and ask about evidence my friend, you make me proud to be a young American!

[terrymanning1]

The truth movement continue to clutch at straws. Thermite was not used to collapse the towers and wtc7. Jones & Harrit won't even release samples for independent testing which casts doubt on their integrity. Judy Wood's death ray weapon is utterly ludicrous and I can't believe you subscribe to it.

It's time for truthers to wake up and realize that their leaders are conmen after your money.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@terrymanning1 If you can't at least understand that 9-11 was a planned event that happened with the complicity of the US gov't, I dont know what to tell you, other than you're extremely naive or very poorly researched.

[terrymanning1]

@wearechangeoshkosh Yes it was a planned event. By al-Qaeda. Govts. are nororiously bad at keeping secrets, so if anyone on the inside was complicit we would know about it. They would have been tried and executed long ago.

And I get tired of people telling me I'm naive or haven't done my research. I have thankyou and I''m yet to be convinced by anyone in the laughably named truth movement thet they have anything other than elaborate fantasies.

Oh and Richard Gage is one of the worst liars.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@terrymanning1 an event planned by Al-Qaeda. Look up what Al-Qaeda really is. Its a CIA database of operative's names. One of those names is Tim Osman aka Osama Bin Laden, who was a CIA asset, right up to 9-11. Those are facts. Al-Qaeda translates to "The Database."

[dwrocker1]

@terrymanning1 really ? you really think this? Rich took a huge pay cut to travel full time and to educate anyone who would listen, he is passionate about getting the truth out. there is always new evidence coming out and I would love to see how you answer when confronted around midnight after doing a presentation for 3 hours. Disrespect is all I am seeing here from your groupies Mark. you are not welcome to come to any events I am ever @. PERIOD!

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@dwrocker1 Disrespect? No man. Disrespect is attempting to blast my page with inaccurate accusations and telling me that im not allowed to be at the same event as you. Thats disrespect, arrogance, and ignorance. 10pm is when I interviewed Richard Gage. NOT MIDNIGHT. And Richard wanted to go out and get hammered afterwards! Remember that?! No, of course you wouldnt. Its not conducive to your story. Gage said he hadnt seen the photos, then he said he had seen them. Gage lied and I busted him.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@dwrocker1 Gage has seen those photos multiple times, and certainly remembered them. He tried to play dumb at first, then he realized I had done a bit of research on the info and had to backpedal. Gage LIED. Its very peculiar how youre so willing to blindly defend Gage even at the expense of being so blatantly wrong. Thats not the behavior of a truth seeker. Thats sheep, or agent behavior. You work at Midas Resources, you got Infowars press passes from Aaron Dykes, and smell like cops.

[adjuk]

Interesting video - seems you're getting close - you may find a few interesting vids on my channel - or perhaps you've already seen them there - or elsewhere. You did a good job!

[TruthFeature]

its painful to listen to this guy speak but wow verrry interesting pictures you have there..... this is the first ive seem them and the video of the spire! creepy.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@TruthFeature Clarification: The video shown in this piece is not the video of the "spire" that I was speaking with Gage about. The spire video was a computer model video used in his live presentation, it was not shown in the video. You are speaking of the last piece of the dustifying tower. And yeah, creepy indeed!

[dwrocker1]

@wearechangeoshkosh No one in the 9/11 truth movement does not have it figured out we only demand a Real investigation. I am really not happy with you attempt to get views on your channel. To me the fires on the street could be from thermite pouring out from the upper levels of the building. We all saw the pools of steel pouring from the building before the collapse

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@dwrocker1 Attempt to get views? No sir. I get views. Period. And I could care less what you are or aren't happy with. I am after the truth, and the WHOLE truth. Regardless of if you are comfortable with what the truth is or not. The fires on the street couldnt have been caused by thermite as they were blocks away from ground zero. Same with the toasted cars. So try again. Before you slam my work, or anyone else's, maybe you should look into the information presented more thoroughly. 

[TruthFeature]

@wearechangeoshkosh ah thank you for clarifying. i am very familiar with richard gage and ae911truth and now I have to rethink everything in light of this evidence. i was irritated at first while watching the video, thinking "quit bothering him with this stuff about cars and holes in buildings" but you simply cannot ignore those strange phenomena. Thank you for confronting Richard Gage with those pictures and bringing attention to this controversial evidence. thought we had it all figured out...

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@TruthFeature No problem man. Thats what we who are real and true do. go after the real COMPLETE truth. Not just whatever mainstream truth crap these people like Gage, and Alex Jones and such want us to believe.

[DanUuNoel]

Posters beware. This discussion is censored--I mean moderated.

Love,

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@DanUuNoel Of course it's moderated. We aren't going to let people post excessive profanity, or make accusations without any logic or evidence. Anyone who behaves reasonably has no issues.

[DanUuNoel]

This exercise is ridiculous. Evidently the video's author, at best, does not understand the ramifications of 9/11. The real teaching of 9/11 is not that the real terrorists were a team of demolition experts, and not even that the U.S. government gave them cover and protection, but the persisting, worldwide, multidisciplinary and self-healing censorship of the above.

How cars were destroyed and whether or not space lasers were used is important, but not essential.

Love,

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@DanUuNoel What you clearly dont understand is that theres something called double jeopardy. You can't be tried for the same thing twice. So if we take people to court on thermite alone and they can prove that thermite alone couldnt have caused what happened, we dont have a case. And then its over. And you'd have Richard Gage, Steven Jones, Alex Jones, and the Loose Change kids to thank for screwing the entire truth movement.

[DanUuNoel]

@wearechangeoshkosh The idea of taking people to court over the execution--even the cover-up--of 9/11 is another big distraction. The true benefit of 9/11 compared to other grand conspiracies against humanity is its epistemological message. Its baby step (911babystep, dot, com) forces people with an average intelligence to accept that they are misinformed. Its ultimate stages bypass the "punish them!" mantra and solves all the world's problems.

Love,

[LesserOf2Evils4Pres]

The problem I have with your approach is acting as if Richard Gage is somehow suspect because he doesn't actively promote Judy Wood's thesis regarding exotic weapons being used on 9/11/. What's most disturbing is that by undermine Gage, you're undermining a pillar of the 9/11 truth movement. There's essentially no difference between Gage and Woods other than the method of destruction. Have you forgotten the original point in presenting the demolition thesis to the public?

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@LesserOf2Evils4Pres I am not acting like Gage is suspect because he won't promote Dr. Wood. He is suspect because since he is ignoring evidence and is basing his case on thermite alone. Thermite does not make a building literally turn to dust on front of your eyes. It explodes, it doesnt cause dustification. You wonder why the piles were so small the next day? Not because there were trucks all night carrying the steel away, that was diversion. The towers dustified and not by thermite.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@LesserOf2Evils4Pres As well, theres something called double jeopardy. You can't be tried for the same thing twice. So if we take people to court on thermite alone and they can prove that thermite alone couldnt have caused what happened, we dont have a case. And then its over. And you'd have Richard Gage, Steven Jones, Alex Jones, and the Loose Change kids to thank for screwing the entire truth movement.

[cosmicfeedom]

screw u inside job all the way study new world order

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@cosmicfeedom I have been studying the New World Order for over 7 years. I know all about it. Get past Alex Jones, Jack Blood, David Icke, and the Loose Change kids. Start looking into Bill Cooper, Fritz Springmier, Dr. Judy Wood, Chris White, and Russ Dizdar. Look up the 7 liberal arts. Start with the Trivium. then you'll be onto some stuff.

[Lurie2010]

Why does my post not appear? You would not be censoring contrary opinions, correct?

[Lurie2010]

Dear Samuel L. Jackson, I happen to think Mr. Gage is correct. I noticed the partial demolition of the U.S. Customs House (WC 6) in 2001, and it was in fact a partial and incomplete demolition - though they probably got the important stuff. I think you're seeing some of the gaffs of 9/11. 6 and 7 were likely supposed to come down along with the debris of 1 and 2, but due to having to pull 2 before 1 it threw t

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@Lurie2010 You claiming to witness something isn't proof that you actually witnessed it, and using the word "fact" doesn't mean you are telling the truth. As well, how could you possibly know what kind of "stuff" that "they" got? Thats nonsensical speculation. The gaffs of 9-11? If there were any at all, it was the pentagon; and they seemingly had a missile or other small plane standing by just in case the 1st plane missed. You dont think they would have had a plan B for the buildings? Stop it.

[terrymanning1]

Gage is a lying bastard and should be ignored

[Lurie2010]

P.S. Dr. Judy Woods is a shill and disinformation specialist.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@Lurie2010 Yeah, she's the disinfo specialist thats allowed on mainstream TV and radio, and who gets promoted by other proven agents like Alex Jones. Oh... wait... No, thats Richard Gage.

[KimmoKuopio]

Gage wants your money, nothing else.

[dunky3940]

yeeaahh, nice work Mark..really nice, no explanation mr gage? try Dimitri Khalezov, he might be able to help

[WTFaboutWTC7]

I'm very sceptical about the intention of this video. Thumbs up if you agree.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@WTFaboutWTC7 Be skeptical about everything. I say the same thing about your channel, and i'll explain why. You promote ONLY mainstream 911Truth people, Gage, Loose Change, Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, etc. But you don't have anyone who has alternative ideas about 9-11. The people you promote are also promoted by Alex Jones, who has been highly exposed as disinfo. What you clearly dont understand is that if we go to court on thermite alone we lose; thermite didnt roast cars blocks away.

[WTFaboutWTC7]

@wearechangeoshkosh I don't have anyone who has alternative ideas about 9-11 because there is only just one fact. All three towers were brought down with some kind of explosives.

It’s a fact because of this; watch?v=9YRUso7Nf3s

I have the impression you are trying to divide people in to camps.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@WTFaboutWTC7 Divide people into camps? I WOULD LOVE TO SEE GAGE AND JUDY WOOD WORK TOGETHER! But that won't happen because, as you saw, Gage claims (falsely) that Dr. Wood attacks him, which isn't true. On the other hand, Dr. Steven Jones (Gage's partner) recruited Greg Jenkins to do a hit piece on Judy Wood drjudywood.c o m/articles/cc/Jones_recruits.h­tml So who is the disinfo here? Who truly has the suppressed information that they don't want getting out? Dr. Judy Wood. Thank you.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@WTFaboutWTC7 Also, that video you provided does not by any means explain how both towers were destroyed by explosives. Do explosives make things turn to super fine dust? NO. watch?v=aoAa_B2kRuo

Thermite doesnt explain that. Sorry buddy.

[WTFaboutWTC7]

@wearechangeoshkosh You're telling me "I promote ONLY mainstream 911Truth people" when you yourself promote/control comments that fit within the picture you apparently want to portray. And apparently my comments don't fit into that picture.

[wearechangeoshkosh]

@WTFaboutWTC7 ??? We have approved all of your absurd comments. The only ones that we wont approve are comments that have no logic or facts, or that make baseless accusations. 

[zezt]

I was pleasantly surprised when I clicked on your video to have it suddenly dawn on me you are open to Dr Judy Wood's views! I have in the past mainly associated the We Are Change groups with stickin with Steve Jones thermite theories.

Here's my view of gage--he lied like Obama or ANY politician--when he first said he had never seen the Wood evidence, and then he says he has

I dont dig people like him. They are like robots to me who can some how phase out really intriguing anomalies, and carry

[zezt]

@zezt 2--on as usual. His main argument he stressed more than twice goes: Look we already have a case with [limited hangout] evidence. Why go further?

You made me laugh out loud when you say he shat 3 bricks when asked if it could be BOTH his thermite theories AND some secret use of advanced technology LOL

I Do think that the 'conspiracy movement' HAS been infiltrated by the likes of this dude. I think this was planned to happen along with 9/11. I wonder how he would have reacted if you had

[zezt]

@zezt 3 asked his opinion about the OCCULTIST SYMBOLISM surrounding '9/11'. I bet he may have shat 5 bricks haha

He should know this; we already know now there IS Free Energy. AND we know that they have suppressed us knowing about it, and it makes sense they have used it against us in secret weaponry, and this could account for the strange "weird" effects of 9/11!!!

so RIGHT ON!!! ;)))