Muslims dont join this group it will not teach you anything of Islam. This group was seriously compromised they wrote a book saying Muhammad (saw) made mistakes and listed the mistakes. they were challenged and they sed its a printing error or watever and withdrew the book. how can u print that by mistake? some say they are funded by the govt thats y they wont b banned. they make Islam look bad and thats the reason y they exist to give support to war on terror.
"YA UMMAH; THE TIME TO UNITE IS NOW ,OR ELS!...'''THE KUFUR'S DO NOT VALUE YOU'R LIFE'S, YOU'R DEEN OR YOU'R VERY EXISTENT'', YA UMMAH, DO YOU NEED THE KUFUR'S TO OUT RIGHT SAY IT TO OUR FACES,THAT THEY WANT AND INTEND TO DISTROY OUR DEEN AND EXTERMINATES US ''ALL''?!...YA UMMAH,THEY HAVE BEEN DOING SO, IT IS ''US WHO NEED'S TO REALIZES THAT...YA UMMAH , ARISE -UNITE,OR ELSE !..... "
love yr video cheers 4 creating.im wary to pray at the set times now cos i know is fake muslims same as all other religious and political groups. in a way i pray 24/7 anyways cos im ever mindful of Allah(swt). i bee trying to make my own rituals and lots of times i use this video and try pay my respects to the hezbollah and all G-ds armies and souljas. May the force be with you and us all. One
maybe you should read my comments a little carefully i didnt say anything about cowardley suicide bombers GO FIGHT WITH GUNS AND BAZOOKAS.......as for being RE-PROGRAMMED i forgot we(u want people to change do it with showing love and compassion like the prophet(pbuh) ........as for fighting i would have no problems sticking my sword down your haram throut.........allah hu akbar
@zigzak47 Muhammad(pbuh) and no doubt all the true prophets know how to wage the art of war in the style of the sage commander as told in sun tzu's book. They dont fight violence with violence and add fuel to the fire. neither do they use cowardly pacifism. self defense is the only way to bring our destiny into being. Allah Akbar!
hizb are warped kharji muslims who like to shit were they eat.........suck benefits and crap in the same plate if your so brave go on free kashmir and if you die doing it your gonna go heaven inshaalah but no you would rather sit here and promote your warped view of islam......YOU ARE THE PEOPLE the prophet (pbuh) warned us about ......i pray allah(swt) makes you see the errors of your ways
you are deluded by your western ideaolgy of islam. basicly U have been reprogrammed. you think killing & suicide bombing has done any good, go ahead do it, by killing, you demonize the entire muslms. as is today by the hands of a few. Hizb ut-Tahrir are doing something not done since the khalifah days. someone like you who denounces a single islam state & supporting the puppet regimes intalled by the westerners. i say unto u, go fuck ur sen as u surely are the people we will fight.
Our beloved Prophet Muhammad PBUH had started a state called the Khilafah and was ruled by Abu Bakr. The state was ruled for many years protecting every single muslim from the kafiroons. The khilafah was a shield to the muslims, But on 1924 it was oblished by mustafah kamil. A Betrayer to the muslims.
Now the western ppl are attacking us muslims, pakistan, iran, iraq, afgan and palestine. Its time every muslim stands up and starts to awaken. We must bring back the shield for the muslims.
@MrSolid92 this is in relation to the last message u sent me....u wanna come to my city brother, 15 years ago the hizb were kicking it here - now they r dead - the sisters side of things arent even active, i dont see anyone getting scared, they r no closer now to getting a state to wat they were 15 years ago!!!!
hizb ut-tahir is not the way for the khilafa system. Jihad feesabillilah is, and we can see this taking place in Somalia and Afghanistan to name a few. Either we can sit back at home or take part in the massive Islamic revival of the 21st century
Jihad against who ? Killing Muslims Army is egypt is going to make you Bring Khilafah ? Kidnaping officers is going to ? The Abcence of Khilafah is not a military event , it is a political one , that happened due to the lack of Political awareness on how the khilafah should be equaled to Life . Only a political movement will bring Khilafah back , once it is back on earth , then the army of Khilafah will Lauch Jihad where jihad is due and peace when it is due . Ummah Join Hizb Ut Tahrir
Ibn Hajr in his Fateh al-Bari states that if the ruler becomes a Kafir, or changes the Sharia he should be fought and removed.
Umar radialhoanhu during his time as caliph once asked the ppl 'what wud u do if i deviate from the sharia' an old man stood up from the crowd held up his sword and said 'we'll correct u with this' (ie his sword). and Allah says it is not for the believing men or women to have an opinion in that which Allah has ordained.
this is the problem with you lot, you actually think these armies who fight for kufr, opression and tyranny are actually muslim!! Read Y0unis' comment which is extremly relevant for the the state of the ummah 2day. All the classical scholars have agreed those who do not rule by Islam are kafir, so what about their dogs, who do their dirty work??? They must be fought judging on what is apparent. We treat them as kufar on the battlefield. Even if a few individuals may be muslim, we fight collectiv
"All the classical scholars have agreed those who do not rule by Islam are kafir,"
With all respect, the statement above is not correct achi. A person who doesn't judge according to what Allah has revealed can be a Muslim to, although being a fasiq/transgressor or zalim/oppressor. We cant cast them out of the ummah as kufar,
why do u only mention fasiq and zalim the verse says three things. The Ulema have been very clear on this issue, read Al Fatawa it clarify's this issue clearly. read tafseer Ibn katheer for sura 5:50 he is very clear as well as the statement above.
The one who rules by other than Allahs swt law is a Fasiq AND a zalim AND a Kaffir
All scholars state that a sin doesn't make a Muslim kafir, it just renders him sinful. Its all about the intention behind the action. If someone denies or rejects an essential part of Islam (like Allah and ar-Rasul being the only source of ruling) in a voluntary way than of course he is a kafir. But do we know for sure that this is the case with all the Muslim leaders today? I cant read hearts so i cant judge them as well. Don't forget that they are being oppressed as well.
Remember the hadeeth of Hatim ra when Rasool Allah saw said to him "the jews and christians worshipped there monks and rabbis to which he (Hatim) replyed we didn't worship them. Our Prophet saw explained didn't they make the halal haram and the haram halal" "yes" "so you took them as lords besides Allah"How is this differant to our "rulers" who say you can deal with Riba and you can sell khumer. they are Taghoot. And a taghoot can never be Muslim.
And what about tawheed al hakimiyyah? As far as i see Hizb ut Tahrir is the only organization that makes effort to spread it according to the sunnah of the Prophet(pbuh).
That comment is soooo far from any soundness, brother many many groups are spreading tawheed al hakimiyyah, HT are in fact just one of many may Allah swt bless them for there efforts but to be honest ur minhaj is narrow and ignores the whole median revelation
Please explain... The minhaj of Hizb ut Tahrir fits the method of the Prophet (pbuh). No Jihad, No participation in Kufr systems. Simply form a group, educate them with an islamic personality, attacking the kufr ideas and systems in public, asking for nusrah, getting it, implementing all the systems of islam.
please tell me wich group besides HUT does this? Many muslims cant think in more than one step. For example Tawheed --> islamic state. or Jihad --> islamic state. This is just ignorance.
Bro your minhaj only looks at half of the Propets saw sunnah. There are clear evidence to support the other munhaj's. you are looking at the other Jammats from an exceptionally narrow view point, please read some differant books open your world and islamic view. I would suggest Milestones or defence of the muslim lands etc
Why dont the brothers of the hizb concentrate on following the sunnah of the prophet saw , they cant even keep a beard right, they cant even roll the trousers above the ankles and they wanna talk about democracy, pls brother, we r told clear in the quran that we will not get the state until ALL muslims r on righteous deeds and we are far far far from that at this moment in time, so u will have a long long wait for ur islamic state
If u want to focuss on sunnah alone while neglecting the obligations than thats your responsibility.
It is an Islamic obligation to work for the Islamic state following the method of Muhammad (PBUH). And if u don't want to obey that command than the brothers and sisters of HUT are willing to take your place.
Please don't be ignorant or think your better, join us and help us with this great responsibility. Don't help us for yourself or for us but do it only for Allah(SWT).
The brothers of the hizb can do that and do that. Look at the growth of the hizb around the world. the western country's are getting scared now they are starting to ban the group. The so called muslim leaders who are ruling the muslim country's are just killing OUR innocent brothers and sisters. Someone needs to stand up for this AND NOW ITS THE TIME TO DO THIS.
HT refuse to declair takfeer on the rulers, so if you see them as muslim you can not rebel against them and attempt to overthrow them. As the saying of the prophet saw "Obey the muslim ruler even if he breaks your back and takes your wealth" however if he is a kafir then his generals are fighting for taught and are also kafir according to 4:76 and murtads can not hold power even if they return to deen plus these generals are killing muslims and helping the yanks.
Its time to stop allowing these cockroach muslims to keep scurrying around trying to corrupt the rest of the world, Islam and Muslims go back to your desert shitholes and stop spreading your religion of hate and death
Hizb ut-tahrir, did the muslims at the prophets time create a khilafa system in others countries, i dnt think so, u want a leader, whos fault is it that the muslims are not the political leaders? u wish to stay out of that political aspect however you carry on talking about how we should stay out of political actions, i know the unbearable torture we face in the media and so on.. howevr i believe ht are lost in a world of their own where they believe they can immitate khilafa system, get real!!!
Death to Islam, an evil cult founded by a pedophile & whose followers are fools. Muslims stay out of America. Muslims please reside in countries where Islam will dictate your every action & thought. Be careful Muslims love to kill other Muslims. Islam thrives best in theocratic state. I have identified every business in the area of my residence that is owned or operated by Muslims. I avoid patronizing these business like the plague.
im a british muslim n i will never leave, islam is 4 da whole of mankind n i am gonna go america as n imigrant soon ha ha n i will use up americas money by nt working but jus claiming benefits my dads already there n owes the banks fortune i think its hes fault, banks have been in recession he he my dad even somtimes sends money over to us yepee i also send it to charity which helps grow young men in afghanistan and iraq to defend themselves so thank u america thanks alot he he
Hizb tehrir is nothing but bunch of idiots who are under the illusion that they represent muslims..when they even find it hard to convince their family members.
oh so the Khilafah, which was once established by the great Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an ILLUSION was it?? Astagfirullah, ur remark is the words of a Muslim who clearly doesnt know his own Islamic history. And erm...NO i dony find it hard at all to convice my family members, becoz unlike you, they know their research.
i think the person means that some parents dont agree with their childrens choices. they fear for their children being caught up in a group which will harm them and others.
hizb ut tahrir should pack their bags and get out of britain before they cause serious trouble against non muslims and majority british muslims alike.
maybe you should ask them what their aims are and maybe you might realise that they are here to work for and bring back the shade of Islam to save all lives NOT to harm them. Because we are all Muslim at the end of the day, not 'British Muslims' but just Muslims as the Prophets (pbut) were too.
assalama alaikum mujhadia. yes hizb ut tahrir is banned in muslim nations like uzbekistan, syria and egypt. keep in mind that these nations are led by dictators like karimov, bashar al assad and hosni mubarak who do not tolerate any form of peaceful political opposition. So its no surprise that political parties like hizb ut tahrir are banned in these countries and their members often tortured and killed. for peaceful demonstration.
"Democratic Centralism" is ruling the nation and people through the political party that has taken power. For example, the Bolsheviks usde this to introduce industrialization in Russia despite the fact that they violated Karl Marx's method of starting plebiscite/proletariat revolutions where only an industrialized capitalist society has taken hold or developed. The ruling party is the guiding principle for the nation and it is an extension of the "Dictatorship of the proletariat".
Panama should have a plebiscite revolt in May elections! with all the help available. The 1968 tragedy in Panama will never be forgotten. The new economic system and Hegelian-Marxism Left ideaology will rule throughout Latin America and the Carribean nations. We will introduce the new technologies of Nicolea Tesla and other scientist for the stability of Earth !!!
And lack the ideas to seperate themselves from other muslim groups and political parties. Too many of the ideas are intertwined with other groups minus the violent confrontations. What is needed is plebiscite 'spark' to generate mobilization. I suggest a "Green" technology input with my idea of Market Foundationalism.
"Democratic Centralism" is also used by the Republican and Democratic party. If you read 'The Federalist Papers' section 50. Both of these parties are circumventing the rights of the people of the USA. This organization has some errors also because they lack certain things to make it popular even among the Muslims. They have the potential but they lack clarity in obejctives and idealisitic social/economic theories which will seperate themselves from capitalism.
This group has some of the ideas of Lenin&Stalin in the fact they use "Democratic Centralism" for their organization. I had to read some Marxist-communist to find out some things.
Wht the Hizb are doing is all based on the quran and sunnah nothing islamic about them, can't believe all you brother's are defaming each other like this that is why the kuffar are ruling over us, we are one ummah, we need to unite and to give dawah in islam we HAVE to work as a group not alone, so let's make dua for each other and unite.
we are not defaming ourselves - we just don't agree with Hizb Tahrir - they are not the only Islamic ideological group we have you know. There are others. We will work side by side with them, but some of us don't agree with Hizb Tahrir Neo-Caliphatism.
who joined Hizb tehrir in Uk, he exposes the black face of these so called muslims who are actually bringing bad name to Islam. They are ready to kill fellow muslims if they refuse to accept their terrorist mode of Islam.
Hizbut Tehrir uses all negative tactics (unislamic) to achieive desired results.
If you really want to know about this fanatic organization...read the suggested book.
I can read, too and actualy do read quite a lot and never met any hard evidences of such activity of HuT, as you said here. So, at the moment it looks like a slander to me!
The same thing the pagan arabs tried to do when Muhammad (S.a.w) was alive. What happened - Surah Kafiroon was revealed and we all know how that go...
remember brothers to me my way and 2 u ur way, theres no such thing as intermingling and multicultural, british Islam,etc Live Islam how it ought to be lived and try and emigrate from this country when u got enough money or if ur not doing anything constructive to the deen over here. Remember 40% of ur money goes 2 dem nd their usin it 2 kill bros
As muslims it's not our job to emigrate (only if they stopped us from praying etc.) our job is to call people to islam in this country and when the state is born then inshallah we can migrate and live under the state.
forget these groups. We shud all leave them it causes to much friction eg hizb cud say to tabligh jamaat ur not on the correct path and sincere unless u wid us and vice versa we shud stop all this and not forget the sahaba r the perfect example they lived as a muslim minority. And we shud not forget yes we r in dar-ul-harb because everytime some1 preaches the correct islam they get thrown in jail or deported the kuffar r tryna fuse their british kuffar values into Islam.^
for all u deluded people out there, the hizbz doing somthings that the rest of you aint got the guts to do! if u aint got the bottle to step up to it dont take ur anger out on then!!!
the hizb reminds us of what the west trys to make us 4get, and there damn rite! half YOU dont even know your history!!!!!!!!!!
Hizb are a bunch of losers, the Hizb is a mixture of Baathism and western ideologies, far removed from true Islam. They lie and decieve to win support. May Allah save us from this fitna. Amen
yes there are doctors and engineers in the hizb ut tahrir organsation. But no offence to the party, i have seen alot of ex cons and drguies in east london join hizb ut tahrir because they have nothing better to do in their lives. they failed their GCSE due to Criminality and cant fit into society. i see them join hizb ut tahrir and burning british flags in front of british people and even start arguing with imams and elderly people. as if they know everything.
Bro mn410502, I dont think we both know each other, and i dont need to tell u wat i am doing, thats between me an ALLAH not you, and your in no position to judge me being in armchair and stuff cos U DONT KNOW. and regarding the HOMEWORK. i suggest u read my comment agen I sed I WONT BE SURPRISED IF I FIND OUT THAT...No where I sed that they are behind dat. So, dont need to get emotional. I leave u to go and bring khilafah back and leave me in my armchair.
to tell you the truth. i can stand hizb ut tahrir or other similar parties. their memebers think they know everything and try to brainwash kids not to vote by handing out leaflets like, democracy is mans law not allahs. it gives power to people rather than allah. really how stupid can they get?
they should head back to their third world countries rather than live here. they cant even respect the law of the land. people dont want you if you cant respect the law then fukk off its dat simple
There are always two sides remeber. Your right you have to live by the law of the land but what if the land you live in is against islam and killling muslim world wide do you still live by the law of the land? i don't think so!
the UK law does nothing to harm muslims. we are living peacefully in britain.yes we do have our ups and downs but the british constitution is not in any way against islam. If it was, then there wouldnt be 2 million muslim living here. I dont know about china but im lucky to have lived in a good country that does not affect my belief and my islamic way of life.
Its not about 'If'. im not living in a communist or politicaly corrupt muslim country. im proud of my nation that gave me freedom.
yh the prophet did emigrate bbut for what? to establsih ALLAH's rule on the land (shariah) and he came back and overtook mecca to establish the rule there and ordered the capture and kill of a few people which had caused him the most harm when he was doing dawah in mecca.
Hiz tahrir=Taleban facism = omarism from saudi and pakistani culture
sharia= omarism: sunni rull = facism called islam
Sunni = omarist: A man follow omar (NOT mohammad & Koran)- omar khatab create shaia and under sharia rull he raiped 12 yrs old girl- he called that islam( vahabi, hizbutahrir, omarist rapists)- Sunni KAFAR think that paridise waiting 4 them- Enshallah all omarists will burn in hell with omar,Abu baker son of ZENA, because they totured and killed all Mohamads family
lol what ever they do is wrong i deny it they cant even get ppl to the mosques for fajr and they tlk bout bringing khilafah they have been unable to do so in past 50 years how they gonna do it now. smaller steps lead to bigger steps thats why bring muslims to the mosque when u do that then other things will foloow and i wont be surprised if i find out that suicide bombing in 7/7 was by one of them HT ppl
The return of the khilafah is not a matter of if but when, and muslims believe this as a matter of iman, there are numerous hadith and verses of the quran that promise the muslims victory, rather than be an armchair critic, get out of your armchair and do something yourself! as to 7/7 being something from ht it demonstrates your ignorance of the topic at hand, do your homework.
why dont you try like bringing people to the mosque rather than you lost cause. i have seen many hizb ut tahrir members in my area who dont even pray 5 times a day. and talk about khalif.
i have even seen hizb ut tahrir members debate with imams. These days people think they know more than imams.
Brother..Hizb don't want khilafah in UK or any other country, the khilafah will establish in the muslim countries, EG Indonesia,pakistan,syria,iraq,turkey,afghanistan, saudi arabistan & m.m.the point is that, the brothers from hizb ut tahrir wants the islamic ummah to wake up from the deep sleep they have been slept since 1924
God save the Queen. Deus vult is. I think if you want to live here fine. I should imagine many christians would be welcome to live in muslim countries so long as they abided by those nations laws. So kindly be happy with ours.
This is a very defeatist mentality, let there be an honest and open debate, khilafah is part of muslims faith and an example of the prophet of islam(saw) so we dont abandon part of our faith because we live in britain, rather we are part of the global movement for khilafah and we do our part from here.
you're trying to say that muslims in the UK should support you because its a duty. i dont think majority of muslims in the UK support you mabey in muslims nations like indonesia.
all i have seen in east london is hizb ut tahrir brainwashing good muslims kids not to vote in elections, while mosques like east london mosque say vosting it allowed because you should obey the law the land you stay.
yes we dont abandon it. but if we are not with you then, who are you to judge us what we believe in what what we want to do. yes you want khalifah, but dont make your issues ours by saying islam says that, does that, every time because if something goes wrong the majority of good muslims will get the blame because of your actions. the non muslms will get the wrong idea of muslims. I dont efen think most of the Hizb ut tahrir member pray 5 times a day. believe me i know hizb ut tahrir.
im not saying khalifa system is bad its actually best because our profit intriduced it. but the laws in the democratic countries are some ways same as islamic laws. they give us freedom to express our views. even some countries implemented shariah laws with democracy. hiz ut tahirir wants an islamic state but why are they active in britain? i dont get it this is a non muslim country. threre is absolutely no way they can introduce in the UK rather they would kick us out for it.
the khilafah system is morally the best system because the prophet introduced it, which must mean you believe the prophet is morally the best person ever to have introduced a political system (many muslims would disagree that Muhammad (pbuh) introduced a political system and that this concept of khilafah is fallacious, but let's not get into that). Do you have reasons to believe the prophet was morally perfect or are you just basing your claim upon faith?
im a muslim yeah. i dont want to associate with hiz ut tahrir because the UK majority are secular even the majority of muslims. in islam it says the land you live in abide by its laws. there is no way this organisation will introduce islamic khalifa system in the UK absolutly no way. this is because few muslims live here and most of all they dont want islmaic rule becasue they are non muslims. even bangladesh majority is musli they dont want khalifa state.
the hadith actually states "Obey allah, obey his rasool(saw), and those in autority amongst you" Obey the ruler in the context he applys islam not if they apply non islamic laws, there is a misunderstanding of this evidence, majority of muslims want Khilafah contrary to what you believe, [survey by university of maryland over 70% in muslim lands want khilafah] It is wishful thinking of the disbelievers and the defeated from the muslims who think otherwise.
so your trying to say mulims living in non muslim countries shouldnt obey the law the land has placed?
say if they have an islamic state do you really think its going to be that easy. with all ethnic backgrounds, there is gona be ethnic riots and conflicts. oh please dont say we are muslims it will never happen because it will.
there is different intrepetations of hadith from different scholars. dont try to make hizb ut tahrir interpretation factual because muslims belive differently in ceratin issues.
Reading comments here from muzzies living in the west who obviously hate us, why dont you all FUCK OFF BACK TO THIRD WORLD SLUMS YOU COME FROM, NOT WANTEDED, NOT INVITED, NOT WELCOME.ZIEG HEIL...oops sorry ALAGH AKBAR..
My Scoootish friend.I have been british all my life, no one hates you,we simply hate the double standards of the western regime and western government.we Probably have more right of being here than you, most people here are from arond india and pakistan, if it wasnt for the british, we would not be here in this country,they bought us back here,we contributed alot to society.Some of the hospitals you see a by us and the education systems you see are by us.Please educate yourself before commenting
You've OBVIOUSLY been spoonfed by the media so perfectly to hate us ALL. Not ALL muslims are like how the media portrays us. Why dont u tell your bloody government to get lost out of our muslim countries first? They started the wars & fights first!
The Prophet (saaw) has also talked against the corrupt early Makkan society for about thirteen years of his mission, and he had never compromised over the principle. The Prophet established the Islamic state in Madinah, without having to use any form of violence. This is fact. The Prophets way was proven to be success, and success is a format. Get with soldier!
HT got a good cause.For unity within the ummah to exist we must put aside our differences and work 2getha.. HT dont mind differnces they welcome all shlums in the group
they just talk about our muslim brothers and sisters sufferginb and make us aware. but they dont do anything apart from making us look bad by shouting and holding street debates. there are better ways other then this./
The Prophet (saaw) has also talked against the corrupt early Makkan society for about thirteen years of his mission, and he had never compromised over the principle. The Prophet established the Islamic state in Madinah, without having to use any form of violence. This is fact. The Prophets way was proven to success, and success is a format. Get with soldier!
Ironically it is an imagined and romaticised notion - the islamic state - how dare you claim to represent muslim views. How dare you claim to represent the rightous and correct path for muslims. You portray the islamic state as a golden age, as a false and romantic construct to muslims. clearing up your historical anomalys is what we serious historians are spending so much time on. The history of islamic statesmanship is fragmented and divided. Not some idealistic golden age.
Ottoman Turkey declared war on the Allies - we didn't start the war with them. They lost their Empire because they lost the war. No surprise - they were technologically backward. What? Should they have got it back after plunging so many into misery?
And they killed one million Armenians. Did you overlook that too?
"Don't confuse me with the historical facts - I've made up my prejudiced mind."
And the Ottomans, like the Islamic Crusaders, only had their Empire by slaughtering anyway!
khair, you stay in your corner of your house waiting for Allah to send his angels and solve your problems for you. We'll continue to build ourselves while we work amongst the ummah politically and inshaAllah Allah will judge between us and punish those who ignored their duty. Ameen.
What are you building, have you accomplished anything yet? My advice to you is: Stick with the sunnah and you won't go wrong inshaAllah. And your ways of talking are not polite aswell, so work on your behaviour a little bit. Don't be too agressive, it could mean your downfall.
thing is u can not stay like this forever living in denial your really have to do things to make things happen...did the prophet stayed at home to pray for all of us? or did he actually went outside and get things done? think...that is authentic sunnah too, so dont miss the big picture here
I said "Stick to the Qur'an and the authentic sunnah" and I get attacked for this? And did I say stay at home and do nothing? And what is your plan exactly, because you're talking very vague.
The Prophet (saw) said in a hadith reported by Imam Muslim "whosoever dies without a bayah(pledge of allegiance to the Khalifah) on his neck dies the death of Jahiliyah".
Brother, there is no disagreement amongst the scholars of Ahl Sunnah that Khilafah is fardh.
"Yajib an yo'rafa anna wilayata amr in-naasi min a'thami waajibaat id-Deen, Bal laa qiyaamu li-Deen illa bihaa".
"It is obligatory to know that the office in charge of commanding over the people (ie: the Khilafah post) is one of the greatest obligations of the Deen. In fact, their is no establishment of the Deen except by it....this is the opinion of the salaf, such as al-Fadl ibn 'Iyaad, Ahmed ibn Hanbal and others".
what shall we do start swinging like the pigs thats what pigs do they invite another to have intercourse with their mate you are what you eat HAHAHAHA
Why cover a woman from head to foot? Is it to make her less attractive than your male friends? I detect a major shirt lifting conspiracy at work here.
brother, this people who against the islam was influenced by the anti-islam i.e. investigateislam youtube(.)com(/)watch?v=06LPJGurXJU & muhammadsquran youtube(.)com(/)watch?v=DPRoyXcot28 investigateislam accused Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) as gay, murderer, phedophile and terrorist and Allah (SAW) as satan. We must call all the imam to debate them. To show them the truth. We must send this to all mosque and muslims media to debate this people.
you are weak.. lol... your media can't say anything against islam and muslims. BBC and ITV are subjugated. how you can fight if your media is appeasing the muslims. lol.....leftist in europe is helping us muslims to propagate. lol.. YOU ARE WEAK...
We are weak, yes, and our media is in the hands of the left. But i think the islamists have pushed us too far. There are too few of u to win a war, and even the left is beginning to turn against u. I think the days of Islam in Britain are numbered.
You are wrong..Leftist is a bitch!. Human rights in the uk is helping us also. lol.. there's a rally against the hizbullah in the UK which is attended by leftist and islamist. Politicians and media could not say anything against muslims. see this sites who help the muslims. laughingatislam(.)com(/)madmuslim.html
I don't think u realise how quickly public opinion is turning against u Muslims. Many of my previously liberal friends at college are becoming very anti-Islam. If u push us too far we will just vote in BNP, and solve the problem once and for all.
The BNP is a openly racist political party. Yet racism is illegal in this country and yet the BNP is a perfectly legal party - thats capitalism and democracy for you!
If three robbers raided your home, raped your mother infront of you. Would you not say that it would be fair to stone them to death or to kill them by swift execution? Islamic Shariah Law is Correct
HT are very political but never really relate to the general Muslim public about their aqeeda/fiqh. ive heard HTs dont believe a number of key things which have been agreed upon by majority of Muslims, like the punishment in the grave, ive also heard their fiqh is really dodgy, like really really dodgy. can some verify this?
HT believes in punishment of the grave, but they say that the Muslim who does not believe in it does not go out of the folds of Islam. This is a mainstream Islamic opinion.
What do you mean the fiqh is dodgy? Its usool is very similar to Shafii.
RE adhabul Qabr, this is the mainstream Islamic opinion? I severely doubt it, can you prove it from the classical texts of the Ahlusunnah wal Jama' and the established opinions of the four accepted madhahib?
Imam Shafii said, in his book "Ar Risala", "Khabar Al-Khaasa (Ahad) is accepted as outward knowledge (actions), and allows interpretation and is understood through Ijtihaad, and it is used for the slaves (of Allah) in the branches of the Deen, not in its Usool, such as the Aqeeda".
This speaks nothing of the Adhabul Qabr, give a reference where Imam Shafi denied Adhabul Qabr as part of faith (Aqeeda), or the other 3 Imams for that matter.
"It was established through Ahaad Hadith matters that amount to 'Ilm (Aqeeda), such as punishment of the grave, and the questioning of Munkar and Nakeer, and seeing Allah (swt) with our eyes in the Akhirah, and through this it seems to some that this equals 'Ilm (Aqeeda). But we say: It seems as if those who carry this opinion cannot see the difference between the heart accepting something and absolute 'Ilm.
The fact that the possibility of lying in the one who is not infallible (Ma'soom) cannot be denied...(thus Ahad narrations) do not equate to Yaqeen (absolute decisive belief, i.e. the Aqeeda), rather they equate to Tama'neenatul Qalb (acceptance in the heart) due to the most likely case that the narrator is truthful.
And since it has already been established that Hadith Mash-hoor (Ahadith narrated by an Ahad number of Sahaba (1 to 3), but was widely narrated by the Tabi'een and Tabi' Tabieen) is not accepted in this sense (Aqeeda), then how is it possible for Ahad to be otherwise?"
Yakhii, Adhabul Qabr is taken from Ahad Hadith. The Hadith that talks about AdhabulQabr are not Mutawatir in their riwayah (chains of narrations). Allah u Alim.
Really? the narrations on Adhabul Qabr are Ahad? You still have not given me a reference where Ulama of the four schools deny Adhabul Qabr as part of Aqeeda. You quoted Imam Nawawi/Shafi ra (without proper references) the Usools of establishing Aqida, but interestingly refrained from giving there views on this issue.
"Khabar Ahaad must be taken for actions related to Ahkam Shari'ee, but not for the Aqeeda Ahkam"
"Khabar Ahaad cannot be used as proof in matters that require 'Ilm and Yaqeen (100% absolute decisive authenticity), such as the Aqeeda and the Usool of the Deen".
This speaks nothing of the Adhabul Qabr, give a reference where Imam Shafi/Nawawu (ra) denied Adhabul Qabr as part of faith (Aqeeda), or the other 3 Imams for that matter.
brother can you give a reference for this. Because according to my verfication Imam Nawawi ra, did take Ahad into Aqida: whilst commenting on a Hadith which speaks of matters of Aqeeda, he states,
"And in this Hadeeth [there is proof for] acting upon Khabr al-Waahid". And he says, "And it is great in its place, and it is from the most collective of Ahadeeth, which comprises of 'Aqaa`id (beliefs), for he [the Prophet] SAW collected in it what comes from all of the nations of Kufr regarding the differences between their 'Aqaa`id (beliefs)." (Sharh Saheeh Muslim 1/171, 227).
Walaikum Salaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Akhee,
Sorry for not replying. I am trying to follow up on what you sent me. The thing is that I dont speak arabic myself and I got the quotes from one brother that I personally trust. So I need to wait.
But what I wanted to say is that there is a difference between the fundamental(or root) of Aqeeda and the branches of Aqeeda.
Imam As-Sarkhasi writes in his book "Nihayat Al-Su'l Fee 'Ilm Al-Usool"
"Khabar Ahaad does not amount to Yaqeen (decisive belief), since it carries the possiblity of error from the narrator, but it must be acted upon (not believed in) due to accepting his word as truthful by default"
"However, it is as if the narrator has failed to differentiate between peace of mind and tranquillity of the heart, and absolute certainty; the possibility of lying in the narration of the fallible cannot be ignored. Therefore, with this possibility and the residue of suspicion, the absolute certainty cannot be established for that entails peace of mind and tranquillity of the heart." (this underlined quote is from usul as-sarkhasee)
Al-Surkhusi is describing something called al Imaanu al-muttma'en, i.e., tranquil belief, which is described by Sheikh Shalabi in his book "Usul al-Fiqh" as "belief with some reservations that it is not free from doubt, mistake or lying, but because it inclines to be trustworthy the hearts are filled with satisfaction. Accordingly it is called the tranquil belief because it appears authentic but does not confirm definite belief."
(the underlined quote is from the first comment quote, from "However" to the end of the paragraph.) The above quote is quite a similar statement to what you have said, however, you fail to continue, for whatever reason. Imam Sarakhasi states: "And what has been narrated about 'adhabul qabr is that some of it's narrations are ahaad and some are mashur, and it is obligatory to have 'aqd al-Qalb 'alayhi (covenant/knot upon the heart)". (Usool as-sarkhasee, vol. 1, p. 341, dar al-ma'rouf edition)
Bro, the quote I gave you from Imam As-Sarkhasi was from the book "Nihayat Al-Su'l Fee 'Ilm Al-Usool", part 1, page 112. It is different from the book you gave me. Could you check please inshAllah.
Firstly, can you clarfiy which quote this reference applies to, so I can have it verified, in the meantime, dwell upon the quote I have given you. Secondly, you have still failed to give the views of the Aima Mujtahideen on this issue of Adhabul Qabr, namely the scholars you mentioned, Imams Shafi and Nawawi Ra, and the other three great Imams, Abu Hanifa, Ibn Hambal and Imam Malik.
well, I gave only one quote from Imam As-Sarkhasee, though a long one.
The other quotes do apply because Azhab ul Qabr has been transmitted by Ahad Hadith and Allah knows best.
By the way, you cannot reduce the wealth of the Ummah to just four scholars. The fact that we have today 4 madhab is because their taexts have survived but there were far more mujtahidin during the golden age of Islam.
sorry brother, i am using someone elses machine at the moment as i am not at home, hence the different user name.
Yes but Imam Sarkhasee has explicitly stated that one requires aqd al-Qalb 'alayhi with regards to the beleif of adhabul qabr.
Have i reduced the wealth of the Ummah to four scholars? You claimed, "HT believes in punishment of the grave, but they say that the Muslim who does not believe in it does not go out of the folds of Islam. This is a mainstream Islamic opinion."
Yet you can only produce one scholar whose statement I have challenged by another statement by him to the contrary of what you claim? FYI Imam Abu Hanifa was a master in Kalam and has books such as Fiqh al Akbar and al Wasiya to his name which are recognised as authentic by the ASWJ. Why dont you quote from those texts? is it because he doesnt "represent the wealth of the Ummah"? Or how about Imam Tahawis text?
Your point of them not representing the Ummah is ignorant, first you quote them to prove your point, and when asked to provide their view on adhabul qabr you state the wealth of the ummah is not just in them?; why are you cicumventing the argument? There are other scholars who state there is consensus on this issue. but for now, provide their views, seen as though their view is good enough to establish the usool on which you base your beliefs.
They are the same references brother, your reference does not have a publishing house given, the reference I have given does. The title I have used is the shorthand for the full title you have given. And I stand by my point, Imam Sarkhasi as mentioned in the quote above, did take Adhabul Qabr into Aqeeda.
Most of the classical scholars, as far as I understand, say that Azhabul Qabr and the other Ahada hadith are part of the branches of Aqeeda and not the root (and which is also what HT says). So, this is why they say that people who deny Azhab ul Qabr and Ahad hadith are fasiq and not kafir.
For example, there is a famous mufassir called Az-Zamakhshari who wrote an extensive tafsir on the grammar of the Quran and the classical scholars of Ahl Sunnah have quoted him extensively and never said that he was a Kaafir dspite the fact that Az-Zamarkhshari was a Mutazila and therefore didn't believe in Azhabul Qabr. Instead, they were saying he was a deviant.
Brother, Ulama of the ASWJ refrain as much as they can from doing Takfir and give as many excuses as possible to the person making the statement, and there must be no ambiguity in his statements and he must have died believing his statement of Kufr; there are more conditions, but the Ulama prefer to state that which takes you out of the fold of Islam, rather than pronounce someone a Kaafir.
No, yakhee, I disagree. Making Takfir is very important in Islam, because otehrwise how are you going to implement the hudood as well as all the ahkam for the murtad? A Kaafir has no right to lead the salah, to be the head of state, to marry a believer,... So judging someone to be a believer or not is a very important issue in Islam.
I agree with you that you cannot make takfir of anyone and that you need to be 100% sure that he is a Kaafir. So, if what someone says makes him 99% Kaafir and 1% Muslim then the 1% takes precedence. On the other hand, if somone is decisively Kaafir, then you cannot make any excuse or seek any pretext in not implementing the hudood for the murtad.
So, if someone says that he doesnt believe in the story of Ibrahim (as) as narrated in the Quran, or says that Islam has no role to play in politics, then he is decisevely a Kaafir. But if someone says he doesnt believe in Adhabul Qabr or Ahad Hadith then he is not a Kaafir and you cannot implement the hudood for the murtad on him.
brother, i have clearly stated that the Ulama refrain AS MUCH AS THEY CAN from takfir, and PREFER to outline a criteria which rules a person kafir or not. No word or statement in what I have said negates the possibility of the Ulama doing Takfir when there is a necessity. i reiterate what I have mentioned elsewhere, issue is not of takfir which I have contended to, rather, did the Ulama of the ASWJ regard adhabul Qabr as a doubtful matter as you have indicated? I am still waiting for you answer.
you are cicumventing my questions. You have mentioned two things, to which I have posed questions to and you are yet unable to answer them, to remind you, the first is, is what you claim the belief regarding adhabalQabr the view of ASWJ, and secondly, are the narrations pertaining to really Ahad - is this the view of the Ulama of the ASWJ?
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AbuAbdullahUK 10 months ago
Muslims dont join this group it will not teach you anything of Islam. This group was seriously compromised they wrote a book saying Muhammad (saw) made mistakes and listed the mistakes. they were challenged and they sed its a printing error or watever and withdrew the book. how can u print that by mistake? some say they are funded by the govt thats y they wont b banned. they make Islam look bad and thats the reason y they exist to give support to war on terror.
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sulyman751 1 year ago
love yr video cheers 4 creating.im wary to pray at the set times now cos i know is fake muslims same as all other religious and political groups. in a way i pray 24/7 anyways cos im ever mindful of Allah(swt). i bee trying to make my own rituals and lots of times i use this video and try pay my respects to the hezbollah and all G-ds armies and souljas. May the force be with you and us all. One
Hosanna1Love 1 year ago
maybe you should read my comments a little carefully i didnt say anything about cowardley suicide bombers GO FIGHT WITH GUNS AND BAZOOKAS.......as for being RE-PROGRAMMED i forgot we(u want people to change do it with showing love and compassion like the prophet(pbuh) ........as for fighting i would have no problems sticking my sword down your haram throut.........allah hu akbar
zigzak47 1 year ago
@zigzak47 Muhammad(pbuh) and no doubt all the true prophets know how to wage the art of war in the style of the sage commander as told in sun tzu's book. They dont fight violence with violence and add fuel to the fire. neither do they use cowardly pacifism. self defense is the only way to bring our destiny into being. Allah Akbar!
Hosanna1Love 1 year ago
hizb are warped kharji muslims who like to shit were they eat.........suck benefits and crap in the same plate if your so brave go on free kashmir and if you die doing it your gonna go heaven inshaalah but no you would rather sit here and promote your warped view of islam......YOU ARE THE PEOPLE the prophet (pbuh) warned us about ......i pray allah(swt) makes you see the errors of your ways
zigzak47 1 year ago
@zigzak47
you are deluded by your western ideaolgy of islam. basicly U have been reprogrammed. you think killing & suicide bombing has done any good, go ahead do it, by killing, you demonize the entire muslms. as is today by the hands of a few. Hizb ut-Tahrir are doing something not done since the khalifah days. someone like you who denounces a single islam state & supporting the puppet regimes intalled by the westerners. i say unto u, go fuck ur sen as u surely are the people we will fight.
X1REME 1 year ago
Our beloved Prophet Muhammad PBUH had started a state called the Khilafah and was ruled by Abu Bakr. The state was ruled for many years protecting every single muslim from the kafiroons. The khilafah was a shield to the muslims, But on 1924 it was oblished by mustafah kamil. A Betrayer to the muslims.
Now the western ppl are attacking us muslims, pakistan, iran, iraq, afgan and palestine. Its time every muslim stands up and starts to awaken. We must bring back the shield for the muslims.
MrSolid92 1 year ago
@MrSolid92 this is in relation to the last message u sent me....u wanna come to my city brother, 15 years ago the hizb were kicking it here - now they r dead - the sisters side of things arent even active, i dont see anyone getting scared, they r no closer now to getting a state to wat they were 15 years ago!!!!
AMIRAH75 1 year ago
Lon Live Hizb Ut tahrir
khilafahnostalgic 2 years ago
hizb ut-tahir is not the way for the khilafa system. Jihad feesabillilah is, and we can see this taking place in Somalia and Afghanistan to name a few. Either we can sit back at home or take part in the massive Islamic revival of the 21st century
wakbangbang 2 years ago
Jihad against who ? Killing Muslims Army is egypt is going to make you Bring Khilafah ? Kidnaping officers is going to ? The Abcence of Khilafah is not a military event , it is a political one , that happened due to the lack of Political awareness on how the khilafah should be equaled to Life . Only a political movement will bring Khilafah back , once it is back on earth , then the army of Khilafah will Lauch Jihad where jihad is due and peace when it is due . Ummah Join Hizb Ut Tahrir
khilafahnostalgic 2 years ago
Ibn Hajr in his Fateh al-Bari states that if the ruler becomes a Kafir, or changes the Sharia he should be fought and removed.
Umar radialhoanhu during his time as caliph once asked the ppl 'what wud u do if i deviate from the sharia' an old man stood up from the crowd held up his sword and said 'we'll correct u with this' (ie his sword). and Allah says it is not for the believing men or women to have an opinion in that which Allah has ordained.
Y0unis 2 years ago
this is the problem with you lot, you actually think these armies who fight for kufr, opression and tyranny are actually muslim!! Read Y0unis' comment which is extremly relevant for the the state of the ummah 2day. All the classical scholars have agreed those who do not rule by Islam are kafir, so what about their dogs, who do their dirty work??? They must be fought judging on what is apparent. We treat them as kufar on the battlefield. Even if a few individuals may be muslim, we fight collectiv
wakbangbang 2 years ago
Salaam aleykoum,
"All the classical scholars have agreed those who do not rule by Islam are kafir,"
With all respect, the statement above is not correct achi. A person who doesn't judge according to what Allah has revealed can be a Muslim to, although being a fasiq/transgressor or zalim/oppressor. We cant cast them out of the ummah as kufar,
Greetings from the Netherlands.
AirGunMarksman 2 years ago
why do u only mention fasiq and zalim the verse says three things. The Ulema have been very clear on this issue, read Al Fatawa it clarify's this issue clearly. read tafseer Ibn katheer for sura 5:50 he is very clear as well as the statement above.
The one who rules by other than Allahs swt law is a Fasiq AND a zalim AND a Kaffir
They CLEARLY deny part of the book
Y0unis 2 years ago
All scholars state that a sin doesn't make a Muslim kafir, it just renders him sinful. Its all about the intention behind the action. If someone denies or rejects an essential part of Islam (like Allah and ar-Rasul being the only source of ruling) in a voluntary way than of course he is a kafir. But do we know for sure that this is the case with all the Muslim leaders today? I cant read hearts so i cant judge them as well. Don't forget that they are being oppressed as well.
AirGunMarksman 2 years ago
Remember the hadeeth of Hatim ra when Rasool Allah saw said to him "the jews and christians worshipped there monks and rabbis to which he (Hatim) replyed we didn't worship them. Our Prophet saw explained didn't they make the halal haram and the haram halal" "yes" "so you took them as lords besides Allah"How is this differant to our "rulers" who say you can deal with Riba and you can sell khumer. they are Taghoot. And a taghoot can never be Muslim.
1God1ppl1war1peace 2 years ago
O muslims beware of Hizb ut Tahrir....Spread Tawheed in order to achieve success....
bachadega 2 years ago
And what about tawheed al hakimiyyah? As far as i see Hizb ut Tahrir is the only organization that makes effort to spread it according to the sunnah of the Prophet(pbuh).
AirGunMarksman 2 years ago
That comment is soooo far from any soundness, brother many many groups are spreading tawheed al hakimiyyah, HT are in fact just one of many may Allah swt bless them for there efforts but to be honest ur minhaj is narrow and ignores the whole median revelation
Y0unis 2 years ago
Please explain... The minhaj of Hizb ut Tahrir fits the method of the Prophet (pbuh). No Jihad, No participation in Kufr systems. Simply form a group, educate them with an islamic personality, attacking the kufr ideas and systems in public, asking for nusrah, getting it, implementing all the systems of islam.
please tell me wich group besides HUT does this? Many muslims cant think in more than one step. For example Tawheed --> islamic state. or Jihad --> islamic state. This is just ignorance.
AirGunMarksman 2 years ago
Bro your minhaj only looks at half of the Propets saw sunnah. There are clear evidence to support the other munhaj's. you are looking at the other Jammats from an exceptionally narrow view point, please read some differant books open your world and islamic view. I would suggest Milestones or defence of the muslim lands etc
1God1ppl1war1peace 2 years ago
Why dont the brothers of the hizb concentrate on following the sunnah of the prophet saw , they cant even keep a beard right, they cant even roll the trousers above the ankles and they wanna talk about democracy, pls brother, we r told clear in the quran that we will not get the state until ALL muslims r on righteous deeds and we are far far far from that at this moment in time, so u will have a long long wait for ur islamic state
AMIRAH75 2 years ago
Aleykoum salaam,
If u want to focuss on sunnah alone while neglecting the obligations than thats your responsibility.
It is an Islamic obligation to work for the Islamic state following the method of Muhammad (PBUH). And if u don't want to obey that command than the brothers and sisters of HUT are willing to take your place.
Please don't be ignorant or think your better, join us and help us with this great responsibility. Don't help us for yourself or for us but do it only for Allah(SWT).
AirGunMarksman 2 years ago
@AMIRAH75
The brothers of the hizb can do that and do that. Look at the growth of the hizb around the world. the western country's are getting scared now they are starting to ban the group. The so called muslim leaders who are ruling the muslim country's are just killing OUR innocent brothers and sisters. Someone needs to stand up for this AND NOW ITS THE TIME TO DO THIS.
MrSolid92 1 year ago
HT refuse to declair takfeer on the rulers, so if you see them as muslim you can not rebel against them and attempt to overthrow them. As the saying of the prophet saw "Obey the muslim ruler even if he breaks your back and takes your wealth" however if he is a kafir then his generals are fighting for taught and are also kafir according to 4:76 and murtads can not hold power even if they return to deen plus these generals are killing muslims and helping the yanks.
1God1ppl1war1peace 2 years ago
i feel sorry for u guys :(
farouqnimer 2 years ago
Its time to stop allowing these cockroach muslims to keep scurrying around trying to corrupt the rest of the world, Islam and Muslims go back to your desert shitholes and stop spreading your religion of hate and death
FREE SPEECH DOES SYMBOLIZE A WAR ON ISLAM
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TimeLord6646 2 years ago
Islam is a blast
SomeGuy0000 2 years ago
Hizb ut-tahrir, did the muslims at the prophets time create a khilafa system in others countries, i dnt think so, u want a leader, whos fault is it that the muslims are not the political leaders? u wish to stay out of that political aspect however you carry on talking about how we should stay out of political actions, i know the unbearable torture we face in the media and so on.. howevr i believe ht are lost in a world of their own where they believe they can immitate khilafa system, get real!!!
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Keep praying for those 72 virgins, you camel fucking, paedophile worshippers.
thuckfuk 2 years ago
Death to Islam, an evil cult founded by a pedophile & whose followers are fools. Muslims stay out of America. Muslims please reside in countries where Islam will dictate your every action & thought. Be careful Muslims love to kill other Muslims. Islam thrives best in theocratic state. I have identified every business in the area of my residence that is owned or operated by Muslims. I avoid patronizing these business like the plague.
crusades0917 2 years ago
You soud like a complete dumb shit. We will go to our own countries, but first your countries should first get out of ours.
NazTheGreat 2 years ago
I'm Sorry? Stay out of America did you say???
not until you guys stay the F**K out of
1) IRAQ &
2) AFGHANISTAN
ayyb13 2 years ago
im a british muslim n i will never leave, islam is 4 da whole of mankind n i am gonna go america as n imigrant soon ha ha n i will use up americas money by nt working but jus claiming benefits my dads already there n owes the banks fortune i think its hes fault, banks have been in recession he he my dad even somtimes sends money over to us yepee i also send it to charity which helps grow young men in afghanistan and iraq to defend themselves so thank u america thanks alot he he
pakipantha 2 years ago
:-) I really feel sorry for you, if you really are what you claim to be.
MrChickyBee 2 years ago
Long live Hizb Ut Tahir!
Invesigator 2 years ago
Hizb tehrir is nothing but bunch of idiots who are under the illusion that they represent muslims..when they even find it hard to convince their family members.
truemuslim898 2 years ago
oh so the Khilafah, which was once established by the great Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an ILLUSION was it?? Astagfirullah, ur remark is the words of a Muslim who clearly doesnt know his own Islamic history. And erm...NO i dony find it hard at all to convice my family members, becoz unlike you, they know their research.
Tazmania1989 2 years ago 8
i think the person means that some parents dont agree with their childrens choices. they fear for their children being caught up in a group which will harm them and others.
mujhadia 2 years ago
hizb ut tahrir should pack their bags and get out of britain before they cause serious trouble against non muslims and majority british muslims alike.
kamz16 2 years ago
maybe you should ask them what their aims are and maybe you might realise that they are here to work for and bring back the shade of Islam to save all lives NOT to harm them. Because we are all Muslim at the end of the day, not 'British Muslims' but just Muslims as the Prophets (pbut) were too.
May Allah (swt) bring us Khilafah soon. Ameen.
Tazmania1989 2 years ago
hizb ul tehrir is a biggest fitna in islam...is harming the prosperity of islam
abdulmunib 2 years ago
and this view of yours is based on WHAT facts please?? im very eager to hear....so plz do reply.
Tazmania1989 2 years ago
isnt ht banned in every country in which it sprouted up in?
mujhadia 2 years ago
no, not every country, obviously whereever it is banned, it clearly has become an instant threat to that country's government.
Tazmania1989 2 years ago
assalama alaikum mujhadia. yes hizb ut tahrir is banned in muslim nations like uzbekistan, syria and egypt. keep in mind that these nations are led by dictators like karimov, bashar al assad and hosni mubarak who do not tolerate any form of peaceful political opposition. So its no surprise that political parties like hizb ut tahrir are banned in these countries and their members often tortured and killed. for peaceful demonstration.
shez333 2 years ago
"Democratic Centralism" is ruling the nation and people through the political party that has taken power. For example, the Bolsheviks usde this to introduce industrialization in Russia despite the fact that they violated Karl Marx's method of starting plebiscite/proletariat revolutions where only an industrialized capitalist society has taken hold or developed. The ruling party is the guiding principle for the nation and it is an extension of the "Dictatorship of the proletariat".
cris750 2 years ago
Panama should have a plebiscite revolt in May elections! with all the help available. The 1968 tragedy in Panama will never be forgotten. The new economic system and Hegelian-Marxism Left ideaology will rule throughout Latin America and the Carribean nations. We will introduce the new technologies of Nicolea Tesla and other scientist for the stability of Earth !!!
cris750 2 years ago
And lack the ideas to seperate themselves from other muslim groups and political parties. Too many of the ideas are intertwined with other groups minus the violent confrontations. What is needed is plebiscite 'spark' to generate mobilization. I suggest a "Green" technology input with my idea of Market Foundationalism.
cris750 2 years ago
"Democratic Centralism" is also used by the Republican and Democratic party. If you read 'The Federalist Papers' section 50. Both of these parties are circumventing the rights of the people of the USA. This organization has some errors also because they lack certain things to make it popular even among the Muslims. They have the potential but they lack clarity in obejctives and idealisitic social/economic theories which will seperate themselves from capitalism.
cris750 2 years ago
This group has some of the ideas of Lenin&Stalin in the fact they use "Democratic Centralism" for their organization. I had to read some Marxist-communist to find out some things.
cris750 2 years ago
sorry i was mean't to say there is nothing UNISLAMIC abt hizb tahrir. may ALLAH give us victory.
OneUmmah1924 2 years ago
Wht the Hizb are doing is all based on the quran and sunnah nothing islamic about them, can't believe all you brother's are defaming each other like this that is why the kuffar are ruling over us, we are one ummah, we need to unite and to give dawah in islam we HAVE to work as a group not alone, so let's make dua for each other and unite.
OneUmmah1924 2 years ago
we are not defaming ourselves - we just don't agree with Hizb Tahrir - they are not the only Islamic ideological group we have you know. There are others. We will work side by side with them, but some of us don't agree with Hizb Tahrir Neo-Caliphatism.
Catz007 2 years ago
Hiz b ut Tahrir exposed... Read book
"The Islamist" by Ed Hussain
who joined Hizb tehrir in Uk, he exposes the black face of these so called muslims who are actually bringing bad name to Islam. They are ready to kill fellow muslims if they refuse to accept their terrorist mode of Islam.
Hizbut Tehrir uses all negative tactics (unislamic) to achieive desired results.
If you really want to know about this fanatic organization...read the suggested book.
hammad4310 2 years ago
I can read, too and actualy do read quite a lot and never met any hard evidences of such activity of HuT, as you said here. So, at the moment it looks like a slander to me!
Maybe you wantto paste some links here?
taurusak72 2 years ago
The same thing the pagan arabs tried to do when Muhammad (S.a.w) was alive. What happened - Surah Kafiroon was revealed and we all know how that go...
remember brothers to me my way and 2 u ur way, theres no such thing as intermingling and multicultural, british Islam,etc Live Islam how it ought to be lived and try and emigrate from this country when u got enough money or if ur not doing anything constructive to the deen over here. Remember 40% of ur money goes 2 dem nd their usin it 2 kill bros
Y0unis 2 years ago
As muslims it's not our job to emigrate (only if they stopped us from praying etc.) our job is to call people to islam in this country and when the state is born then inshallah we can migrate and live under the state.
OneUmmah1924 2 years ago
forget these groups. We shud all leave them it causes to much friction eg hizb cud say to tabligh jamaat ur not on the correct path and sincere unless u wid us and vice versa we shud stop all this and not forget the sahaba r the perfect example they lived as a muslim minority. And we shud not forget yes we r in dar-ul-harb because everytime some1 preaches the correct islam they get thrown in jail or deported the kuffar r tryna fuse their british kuffar values into Islam.^
Y0unis 2 years ago
kamz the Sahaba where young people too, and they also used to call them 'scum'.
JanMuzelman 2 years ago
for all u deluded people out there, the hizbz doing somthings that the rest of you aint got the guts to do! if u aint got the bottle to step up to it dont take ur anger out on then!!!
the hizb reminds us of what the west trys to make us 4get, and there damn rite! half YOU dont even know your history!!!!!!!!!!
sajj1989 3 years ago 7
@sajj1989 lol at these fools man. jealous of our freedom and jelaous of our freedom fighters. fuck u babylon burn in hell if thats yr wish.
Hosanna1Love 1 year ago
Hizb are a bunch of losers, the Hizb is a mixture of Baathism and western ideologies, far removed from true Islam. They lie and decieve to win support. May Allah save us from this fitna. Amen
potwar30 3 years ago
yes there are doctors and engineers in the hizb ut tahrir organsation. But no offence to the party, i have seen alot of ex cons and drguies in east london join hizb ut tahrir because they have nothing better to do in their lives. they failed their GCSE due to Criminality and cant fit into society. i see them join hizb ut tahrir and burning british flags in front of british people and even start arguing with imams and elderly people. as if they know everything.
kamz16 3 years ago
Bro mn410502, I dont think we both know each other, and i dont need to tell u wat i am doing, thats between me an ALLAH not you, and your in no position to judge me being in armchair and stuff cos U DONT KNOW. and regarding the HOMEWORK. i suggest u read my comment agen I sed I WONT BE SURPRISED IF I FIND OUT THAT...No where I sed that they are behind dat. So, dont need to get emotional. I leave u to go and bring khilafah back and leave me in my armchair.
somoo91 3 years ago
to tell you the truth. i can stand hizb ut tahrir or other similar parties. their memebers think they know everything and try to brainwash kids not to vote by handing out leaflets like, democracy is mans law not allahs. it gives power to people rather than allah. really how stupid can they get?
they should head back to their third world countries rather than live here. they cant even respect the law of the land. people dont want you if you cant respect the law then fukk off its dat simple
kamz16 3 years ago
There are always two sides remeber. Your right you have to live by the law of the land but what if the land you live in is against islam and killling muslim world wide do you still live by the law of the land? i don't think so!
heavy246 3 years ago
the UK law does nothing to harm muslims. we are living peacefully in britain.yes we do have our ups and downs but the british constitution is not in any way against islam. If it was, then there wouldnt be 2 million muslim living here. I dont know about china but im lucky to have lived in a good country that does not affect my belief and my islamic way of life.
Its not about 'If'. im not living in a communist or politicaly corrupt muslim country. im proud of my nation that gave me freedom.
kamz16 3 years ago
You emigrate - hijra - the Prophet showed us the way when he emigraed to Medina.
He did not start suicidal raids, or killing - when he was about to be killed... he emigrated by Allah's leave.
Catz007 2 years ago
That is true but so what are you saying muslims in Iraq, Afghansistan etc should do Hijra?
By the way im not for suicide attacks!
heavy246 2 years ago
Oh no - I do apologise then, I must have made a gross generalisation - I'm sorry, if you mean they should defend themselves then yes - I agree.
They were victims before the war and they are victims now. Of course.
Catz007 2 years ago
yh the prophet did emigrate bbut for what? to establsih ALLAH's rule on the land (shariah) and he came back and overtook mecca to establish the rule there and ordered the capture and kill of a few people which had caused him the most harm when he was doing dawah in mecca.
OneUmmah1924 2 years ago
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Hiz tahrir=Taleban facism = omarism from saudi and pakistani culture
sharia= omarism: sunni rull = facism called islam
Sunni = omarist: A man follow omar (NOT mohammad & Koran)- omar khatab create shaia and under sharia rull he raiped 12 yrs old girl- he called that islam( vahabi, hizbutahrir, omarist rapists)- Sunni KAFAR think that paridise waiting 4 them- Enshallah all omarists will burn in hell with omar,Abu baker son of ZENA, because they totured and killed all Mohamads family
Democrat2345 3 years ago
lol what ever they do is wrong i deny it they cant even get ppl to the mosques for fajr and they tlk bout bringing khilafah they have been unable to do so in past 50 years how they gonna do it now. smaller steps lead to bigger steps thats why bring muslims to the mosque when u do that then other things will foloow and i wont be surprised if i find out that suicide bombing in 7/7 was by one of them HT ppl
they quote verses out of context.
somoo91 3 years ago
The return of the khilafah is not a matter of if but when, and muslims believe this as a matter of iman, there are numerous hadith and verses of the quran that promise the muslims victory, rather than be an armchair critic, get out of your armchair and do something yourself! as to 7/7 being something from ht it demonstrates your ignorance of the topic at hand, do your homework.
mn410502 3 years ago
why dont you try like bringing people to the mosque rather than you lost cause. i have seen many hizb ut tahrir members in my area who dont even pray 5 times a day. and talk about khalif.
i have even seen hizb ut tahrir members debate with imams. These days people think they know more than imams.
kamz16 3 years ago
Brother..Hizb don't want khilafah in UK or any other country, the khilafah will establish in the muslim countries, EG Indonesia,pakistan,syria,iraq,turkey,afghanistan, saudi arabistan & m.m.the point is that, the brothers from hizb ut tahrir wants the islamic ummah to wake up from the deep sleep they have been slept since 1924
(the abandonment of khilafah)
Buggi1989 3 years ago
God save the Queen. Deus vult is. I think if you want to live here fine. I should imagine many christians would be welcome to live in muslim countries so long as they abided by those nations laws. So kindly be happy with ours.
chack4376 3 years ago
This is a very defeatist mentality, let there be an honest and open debate, khilafah is part of muslims faith and an example of the prophet of islam(saw) so we dont abandon part of our faith because we live in britain, rather we are part of the global movement for khilafah and we do our part from here.
mn410502 3 years ago
your from britain right?
you're trying to say that muslims in the UK should support you because its a duty. i dont think majority of muslims in the UK support you mabey in muslims nations like indonesia.
all i have seen in east london is hizb ut tahrir brainwashing good muslims kids not to vote in elections, while mosques like east london mosque say vosting it allowed because you should obey the law the land you stay.
kamz16 3 years ago
your point is that we are against you or with you.
how comes east london mosque and other mosque dont join your group isnt it part of their fatih too?
you cant say nothing to them because they are imams and studies islam more than you ever will.
you believe different than me i know that. but please dont try to make your issue ours because some muslims have different motives.
you might say that islam says to bring khalifa. yes it may be true. but who are you to judge us. ALLAH is.
kamz16 3 years ago
yes we dont abandon it. but if we are not with you then, who are you to judge us what we believe in what what we want to do. yes you want khalifah, but dont make your issues ours by saying islam says that, does that, every time because if something goes wrong the majority of good muslims will get the blame because of your actions. the non muslms will get the wrong idea of muslims. I dont efen think most of the Hizb ut tahrir member pray 5 times a day. believe me i know hizb ut tahrir.
kamz16 3 years ago
sorry for my spellig
kamz16 3 years ago
im not saying khalifa system is bad its actually best because our profit intriduced it. but the laws in the democratic countries are some ways same as islamic laws. they give us freedom to express our views. even some countries implemented shariah laws with democracy. hiz ut tahirir wants an islamic state but why are they active in britain? i dont get it this is a non muslim country. threre is absolutely no way they can introduce in the UK rather they would kick us out for it.
kamz16 3 years ago
the khilafah system is morally the best system because the prophet introduced it, which must mean you believe the prophet is morally the best person ever to have introduced a political system (many muslims would disagree that Muhammad (pbuh) introduced a political system and that this concept of khilafah is fallacious, but let's not get into that). Do you have reasons to believe the prophet was morally perfect or are you just basing your claim upon faith?
J4m3z1 3 years ago
im a muslim yeah. i dont want to associate with hiz ut tahrir because the UK majority are secular even the majority of muslims. in islam it says the land you live in abide by its laws. there is no way this organisation will introduce islamic khalifa system in the UK absolutly no way. this is because few muslims live here and most of all they dont want islmaic rule becasue they are non muslims. even bangladesh majority is musli they dont want khalifa state.
kamz16 3 years ago
the hadith actually states "Obey allah, obey his rasool(saw), and those in autority amongst you" Obey the ruler in the context he applys islam not if they apply non islamic laws, there is a misunderstanding of this evidence, majority of muslims want Khilafah contrary to what you believe, [survey by university of maryland over 70% in muslim lands want khilafah] It is wishful thinking of the disbelievers and the defeated from the muslims who think otherwise.
mn410502 3 years ago
so your trying to say mulims living in non muslim countries shouldnt obey the law the land has placed?
say if they have an islamic state do you really think its going to be that easy. with all ethnic backgrounds, there is gona be ethnic riots and conflicts. oh please dont say we are muslims it will never happen because it will.
kamz16 3 years ago
there is different intrepetations of hadith from different scholars. dont try to make hizb ut tahrir interpretation factual because muslims belive differently in ceratin issues.
kamz16 3 years ago
durka durka mohammed jihad
bennywilkinson1 3 years ago
Reading comments here from muzzies living in the west who obviously hate us, why dont you all FUCK OFF BACK TO THIRD WORLD SLUMS YOU COME FROM, NOT WANTEDED, NOT INVITED, NOT WELCOME.ZIEG HEIL...oops sorry ALAGH AKBAR..
glasgowscottish 3 years ago
My Scoootish friend.I have been british all my life, no one hates you,we simply hate the double standards of the western regime and western government.we Probably have more right of being here than you, most people here are from arond india and pakistan, if it wasnt for the british, we would not be here in this country,they bought us back here,we contributed alot to society.Some of the hospitals you see a by us and the education systems you see are by us.Please educate yourself before commenting
Oo786oO 3 years ago
may allah grant us the nusrah we need to unite the muslim ummah, ameen
azeemuddin89 3 years ago
Ameen Inshallah...
korsamulla 3 years ago
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Horrible muslim pigs, I have no problem with sikhs,hindus etc. I hate muslims. I want every muslim to fuck off back to where they came from.
scottishcaledonia 3 years ago
You've OBVIOUSLY been spoonfed by the media so perfectly to hate us ALL. Not ALL muslims are like how the media portrays us. Why dont u tell your bloody government to get lost out of our muslim countries first? They started the wars & fights first!
Tazmania1989 3 years ago
Soldier!
The Prophet (saaw) has also talked against the corrupt early Makkan society for about thirteen years of his mission, and he had never compromised over the principle. The Prophet established the Islamic state in Madinah, without having to use any form of violence. This is fact. The Prophets way was proven to be success, and success is a format. Get with soldier!
IbnDarwish 3 years ago
HT got a good cause.For unity within the ummah to exist we must put aside our differences and work 2getha.. HT dont mind differnces they welcome all shlums in the group
simq3000 3 years ago
they just talk about our muslim brothers and sisters sufferginb and make us aware. but they dont do anything apart from making us look bad by shouting and holding street debates. there are better ways other then this./
1993soldier 3 years ago
soldier!
The Prophet (saaw) has also talked against the corrupt early Makkan society for about thirteen years of his mission, and he had never compromised over the principle. The Prophet established the Islamic state in Madinah, without having to use any form of violence. This is fact. The Prophets way was proven to success, and success is a format. Get with soldier!
IbnDarwish 3 years ago
Ironically it is an imagined and romaticised notion - the islamic state - how dare you claim to represent muslim views. How dare you claim to represent the rightous and correct path for muslims. You portray the islamic state as a golden age, as a false and romantic construct to muslims. clearing up your historical anomalys is what we serious historians are spending so much time on. The history of islamic statesmanship is fragmented and divided. Not some idealistic golden age.
layla545 3 years ago
Ottoman Turkey declared war on the Allies - we didn't start the war with them. They lost their Empire because they lost the war. No surprise - they were technologically backward. What? Should they have got it back after plunging so many into misery?
And they killed one million Armenians. Did you overlook that too?
"Don't confuse me with the historical facts - I've made up my prejudiced mind."
And the Ottomans, like the Islamic Crusaders, only had their Empire by slaughtering anyway!
jgourlay6 3 years ago
First return to Qur'an and authentic sunnah and then we'll see.
XRaCeProX 3 years ago
khair, you stay in your corner of your house waiting for Allah to send his angels and solve your problems for you. We'll continue to build ourselves while we work amongst the ummah politically and inshaAllah Allah will judge between us and punish those who ignored their duty. Ameen.
purgetroy 3 years ago
What are you building, have you accomplished anything yet? My advice to you is: Stick with the sunnah and you won't go wrong inshaAllah. And your ways of talking are not polite aswell, so work on your behaviour a little bit. Don't be too agressive, it could mean your downfall.
XRaCeProX 3 years ago
thing is u can not stay like this forever living in denial your really have to do things to make things happen...did the prophet stayed at home to pray for all of us? or did he actually went outside and get things done? think...that is authentic sunnah too, so dont miss the big picture here
nadialejandra 3 years ago
I said "Stick to the Qur'an and the authentic sunnah" and I get attacked for this? And did I say stay at home and do nothing? And what is your plan exactly, because you're talking very vague.
XRaCeProX 3 years ago
As Salaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi brother,
The Prophet (saw) said in a hadith reported by Imam Muslim "whosoever dies without a bayah(pledge of allegiance to the Khalifah) on his neck dies the death of Jahiliyah".
Brother, there is no disagreement amongst the scholars of Ahl Sunnah that Khilafah is fardh.
Ma Salaam
Abdullah
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Which scholar of Ahlu As Sunnah?
XRaCeProX 3 years ago
Ibn Taymiyyah (rh.a.) said,
"Yajib an yo'rafa anna wilayata amr in-naasi min a'thami waajibaat id-Deen, Bal laa qiyaamu li-Deen illa bihaa".
"It is obligatory to know that the office in charge of commanding over the people (ie: the Khilafah post) is one of the greatest obligations of the Deen. In fact, their is no establishment of the Deen except by it....this is the opinion of the salaf, such as al-Fadl ibn 'Iyaad, Ahmed ibn Hanbal and others".
abdullah1924 3 years ago
(Siyaasah Shariyyah - chapter: 'The obligation of adherence to the leadership'.)
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Imam an-Nawawi (rh.a.) said,
"Ijma'oo 'alaa annahu yajib 'alal-Muslimeena nasabun Khaleefah".
"(The scholars) consented that it is an obligation upon the Muslims to select a Khaleefah".
(Sharhu Sahih Muslim page 205 vol 12)
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Imam al-Haythami said,
"A'lamu anna Sahabata- Ridhwaan Allahu 'alayhim -Ajma'oo 'ala anna nasab al-Imaamata ba'd inqiraadhi zaman in-Naboowa waajibon bal ja'aloohu ahamu wajibaat hayth ushtaghloo bihi 'an dafani rasool illah".
"It is known that the Sahabah (r.a.h) consented that selecting the Imaam after the end of the era of Prophethood was an obligation (Wajib).
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Indeed they made it (more) important than the (other) obligations whilst they were busy with it over the burial of the Prophet (saw)".
(al-Haythami in Sawaa'iq ul-haraqah:17.)
abdullah1924 3 years ago
you can never ever return to complete quran and sunnah without the establishment of islamic state n implementing shariah my brother
fahadkhan767 3 years ago
And how are you planning on doing that? Rebellion?!
XRaCeProX 3 years ago
what shall we do start swinging like the pigs thats what pigs do they invite another to have intercourse with their mate you are what you eat HAHAHAHA
targetsilenzer 4 years ago
Why cover a woman from head to foot? Is it to make her less attractive than your male friends? I detect a major shirt lifting conspiracy at work here.
All about control
cafemondo 4 years ago
brother, this people who against the islam was influenced by the anti-islam i.e. investigateislam youtube(.)com(/)watch?v=06LPJGurXJU & muhammadsquran youtube(.)com(/)watch?v=DPRoyXcot28 investigateislam accused Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) as gay, murderer, phedophile and terrorist and Allah (SAW) as satan. We must call all the imam to debate them. To show them the truth. We must send this to all mosque and muslims media to debate this people.
quranbeleiver123 4 years ago
Islamists, get the hell out of the UK!!!
Major1862 4 years ago
you are weak.. lol... your media can't say anything against islam and muslims. BBC and ITV are subjugated. how you can fight if your media is appeasing the muslims. lol.....leftist in europe is helping us muslims to propagate. lol.. YOU ARE WEAK...
quranbeleiver123 4 years ago
We are weak, yes, and our media is in the hands of the left. But i think the islamists have pushed us too far. There are too few of u to win a war, and even the left is beginning to turn against u. I think the days of Islam in Britain are numbered.
Major1862 4 years ago
You are wrong..Leftist is a bitch!. Human rights in the uk is helping us also. lol.. there's a rally against the hizbullah in the UK which is attended by leftist and islamist. Politicians and media could not say anything against muslims. see this sites who help the muslims. laughingatislam(.)com(/)madmuslim.html
stargateanubis 4 years ago
I don't think u realise how quickly public opinion is turning against u Muslims. Many of my previously liberal friends at college are becoming very anti-Islam. If u push us too far we will just vote in BNP, and solve the problem once and for all.
Major1862 4 years ago
Vote for the BNP then!
You still can't stop Islam!
The BNP is a openly racist political party. Yet racism is illegal in this country and yet the BNP is a perfectly legal party - thats capitalism and democracy for you!
If three robbers raided your home, raped your mother infront of you. Would you not say that it would be fair to stone them to death or to kill them by swift execution? Islamic Shariah Law is Correct
soldierofdeen 4 years ago 2
Major1862,
Tell me what is the difference between you voting for BNP or for Labour to the average Muslim in Iraq.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
HT are very political but never really relate to the general Muslim public about their aqeeda/fiqh. ive heard HTs dont believe a number of key things which have been agreed upon by majority of Muslims, like the punishment in the grave, ive also heard their fiqh is really dodgy, like really really dodgy. can some verify this?
mantismaster 4 years ago
As Salaam Alaykum brother,
HT believes in punishment of the grave, but they say that the Muslim who does not believe in it does not go out of the folds of Islam. This is a mainstream Islamic opinion.
What do you mean the fiqh is dodgy? Its usool is very similar to Shafii.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Walaikum Salam,
RE adhabul Qabr, this is the mainstream Islamic opinion? I severely doubt it, can you prove it from the classical texts of the Ahlusunnah wal Jama' and the established opinions of the four accepted madhahib?
mantismaster 3 years ago
Imam Shafii said, in his book "Ar Risala", "Khabar Al-Khaasa (Ahad) is accepted as outward knowledge (actions), and allows interpretation and is understood through Ijtihaad, and it is used for the slaves (of Allah) in the branches of the Deen, not in its Usool, such as the Aqeeda".
abdullah1924 3 years ago
This speaks nothing of the Adhabul Qabr, give a reference where Imam Shafi denied Adhabul Qabr as part of faith (Aqeeda), or the other 3 Imams for that matter.
mantismaster 3 years ago
Imam As-Sarkhasi also writes
"It was established through Ahaad Hadith matters that amount to 'Ilm (Aqeeda), such as punishment of the grave, and the questioning of Munkar and Nakeer, and seeing Allah (swt) with our eyes in the Akhirah, and through this it seems to some that this equals 'Ilm (Aqeeda). But we say: It seems as if those who carry this opinion cannot see the difference between the heart accepting something and absolute 'Ilm.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
The fact that the possibility of lying in the one who is not infallible (Ma'soom) cannot be denied...(thus Ahad narrations) do not equate to Yaqeen (absolute decisive belief, i.e. the Aqeeda), rather they equate to Tama'neenatul Qalb (acceptance in the heart) due to the most likely case that the narrator is truthful.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
And since it has already been established that Hadith Mash-hoor (Ahadith narrated by an Ahad number of Sahaba (1 to 3), but was widely narrated by the Tabi'een and Tabi' Tabieen) is not accepted in this sense (Aqeeda), then how is it possible for Ahad to be otherwise?"
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Yakhii, Adhabul Qabr is taken from Ahad Hadith. The Hadith that talks about AdhabulQabr are not Mutawatir in their riwayah (chains of narrations). Allah u Alim.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Really? the narrations on Adhabul Qabr are Ahad? You still have not given me a reference where Ulama of the four schools deny Adhabul Qabr as part of Aqeeda. You quoted Imam Nawawi/Shafi ra (without proper references) the Usools of establishing Aqida, but interestingly refrained from giving there views on this issue.
mantismaster 3 years ago
Imam An-Nawawi writes in his commentary of Sahih Muslim that
"The Sahih Ahadith in both Bukhari and Muslim do not count as anything except doubt (Thann)"
"The Ahadith in both Bukhari and Muslim are Wajib to implement, but are not taken as 'Ilm (Aqeeda)"
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Imam An-Nawawi also writes
"Khabar Ahaad must be taken for actions related to Ahkam Shari'ee, but not for the Aqeeda Ahkam"
"Khabar Ahaad cannot be used as proof in matters that require 'Ilm and Yaqeen (100% absolute decisive authenticity), such as the Aqeeda and the Usool of the Deen".
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Assalamu Alaikum
I repeat:
This speaks nothing of the Adhabul Qabr, give a reference where Imam Shafi/Nawawu (ra) denied Adhabul Qabr as part of faith (Aqeeda), or the other 3 Imams for that matter.
mantismaster 3 years ago
Assalamu Alaikum,
brother can you give a reference for this. Because according to my verfication Imam Nawawi ra, did take Ahad into Aqida: whilst commenting on a Hadith which speaks of matters of Aqeeda, he states,
mantismaster 3 years ago
"And in this Hadeeth [there is proof for] acting upon Khabr al-Waahid". And he says, "And it is great in its place, and it is from the most collective of Ahadeeth, which comprises of 'Aqaa`id (beliefs), for he [the Prophet] SAW collected in it what comes from all of the nations of Kufr regarding the differences between their 'Aqaa`id (beliefs)." (Sharh Saheeh Muslim 1/171, 227).
mantismaster 3 years ago
Walaikum Salaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Akhee,
Sorry for not replying. I am trying to follow up on what you sent me. The thing is that I dont speak arabic myself and I got the quotes from one brother that I personally trust. So I need to wait.
But what I wanted to say is that there is a difference between the fundamental(or root) of Aqeeda and the branches of Aqeeda.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Imam As-Sarkhasi writes in his book "Nihayat Al-Su'l Fee 'Ilm Al-Usool"
"Khabar Ahaad does not amount to Yaqeen (decisive belief), since it carries the possiblity of error from the narrator, but it must be acted upon (not believed in) due to accepting his word as truthful by default"
abdullah1924 3 years ago
brother you have failed to give the full quote and give Imam As-Sarkhasi ra his due right. The full translation from the book is as follows:
see next comment.
mantismaster 3 years ago
"However, it is as if the narrator has failed to differentiate between peace of mind and tranquillity of the heart, and absolute certainty; the possibility of lying in the narration of the fallible cannot be ignored. Therefore, with this possibility and the residue of suspicion, the absolute certainty cannot be established for that entails peace of mind and tranquillity of the heart." (this underlined quote is from usul as-sarkhasee)
mantismaster 3 years ago
Al-Surkhusi is describing something called al Imaanu al-muttma'en, i.e., tranquil belief, which is described by Sheikh Shalabi in his book "Usul al-Fiqh" as "belief with some reservations that it is not free from doubt, mistake or lying, but because it inclines to be trustworthy the hearts are filled with satisfaction. Accordingly it is called the tranquil belief because it appears authentic but does not confirm definite belief."
mantismaster 3 years ago
(the underlined quote is from the first comment quote, from "However" to the end of the paragraph.) The above quote is quite a similar statement to what you have said, however, you fail to continue, for whatever reason. Imam Sarakhasi states: "And what has been narrated about 'adhabul qabr is that some of it's narrations are ahaad and some are mashur, and it is obligatory to have 'aqd al-Qalb 'alayhi (covenant/knot upon the heart)". (Usool as-sarkhasee, vol. 1, p. 341, dar al-ma'rouf edition)
mantismaster 3 years ago
Walaikum salaam
Bro, the quote I gave you from Imam As-Sarkhasi was from the book "Nihayat Al-Su'l Fee 'Ilm Al-Usool", part 1, page 112. It is different from the book you gave me. Could you check please inshAllah.
Allah u Alim
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Firstly, can you clarfiy which quote this reference applies to, so I can have it verified, in the meantime, dwell upon the quote I have given you. Secondly, you have still failed to give the views of the Aima Mujtahideen on this issue of Adhabul Qabr, namely the scholars you mentioned, Imams Shafi and Nawawi Ra, and the other three great Imams, Abu Hanifa, Ibn Hambal and Imam Malik.
CoolnessofHind 3 years ago
well, I gave only one quote from Imam As-Sarkhasee, though a long one.
The other quotes do apply because Azhab ul Qabr has been transmitted by Ahad Hadith and Allah knows best.
By the way, you cannot reduce the wealth of the Ummah to just four scholars. The fact that we have today 4 madhab is because their taexts have survived but there were far more mujtahidin during the golden age of Islam.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
sorry brother, i am using someone elses machine at the moment as i am not at home, hence the different user name.
Yes but Imam Sarkhasee has explicitly stated that one requires aqd al-Qalb 'alayhi with regards to the beleif of adhabul qabr.
Have i reduced the wealth of the Ummah to four scholars? You claimed, "HT believes in punishment of the grave, but they say that the Muslim who does not believe in it does not go out of the folds of Islam. This is a mainstream Islamic opinion."
mantismaster 3 years ago
Yet you can only produce one scholar whose statement I have challenged by another statement by him to the contrary of what you claim? FYI Imam Abu Hanifa was a master in Kalam and has books such as Fiqh al Akbar and al Wasiya to his name which are recognised as authentic by the ASWJ. Why dont you quote from those texts? is it because he doesnt "represent the wealth of the Ummah"? Or how about Imam Tahawis text?
mantismaster 3 years ago
Your point of them not representing the Ummah is ignorant, first you quote them to prove your point, and when asked to provide their view on adhabul qabr you state the wealth of the ummah is not just in them?; why are you cicumventing the argument? There are other scholars who state there is consensus on this issue. but for now, provide their views, seen as though their view is good enough to establish the usool on which you base your beliefs.
mantismaster 3 years ago
They are the same references brother, your reference does not have a publishing house given, the reference I have given does. The title I have used is the shorthand for the full title you have given. And I stand by my point, Imam Sarkhasi as mentioned in the quote above, did take Adhabul Qabr into Aqeeda.
mantismaster 3 years ago
Most of the classical scholars, as far as I understand, say that Azhabul Qabr and the other Ahada hadith are part of the branches of Aqeeda and not the root (and which is also what HT says). So, this is why they say that people who deny Azhab ul Qabr and Ahad hadith are fasiq and not kafir.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
For example, there is a famous mufassir called Az-Zamakhshari who wrote an extensive tafsir on the grammar of the Quran and the classical scholars of Ahl Sunnah have quoted him extensively and never said that he was a Kaafir dspite the fact that Az-Zamarkhshari was a Mutazila and therefore didn't believe in Azhabul Qabr. Instead, they were saying he was a deviant.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Brother, Ulama of the ASWJ refrain as much as they can from doing Takfir and give as many excuses as possible to the person making the statement, and there must be no ambiguity in his statements and he must have died believing his statement of Kufr; there are more conditions, but the Ulama prefer to state that which takes you out of the fold of Islam, rather than pronounce someone a Kaafir.
mantismaster 3 years ago
No, yakhee, I disagree. Making Takfir is very important in Islam, because otehrwise how are you going to implement the hudood as well as all the ahkam for the murtad? A Kaafir has no right to lead the salah, to be the head of state, to marry a believer,... So judging someone to be a believer or not is a very important issue in Islam.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
I agree with you that you cannot make takfir of anyone and that you need to be 100% sure that he is a Kaafir. So, if what someone says makes him 99% Kaafir and 1% Muslim then the 1% takes precedence. On the other hand, if somone is decisively Kaafir, then you cannot make any excuse or seek any pretext in not implementing the hudood for the murtad.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
So, if someone says that he doesnt believe in the story of Ibrahim (as) as narrated in the Quran, or says that Islam has no role to play in politics, then he is decisevely a Kaafir. But if someone says he doesnt believe in Adhabul Qabr or Ahad Hadith then he is not a Kaafir and you cannot implement the hudood for the murtad on him.
abdullah1924 3 years ago
brother, i have clearly stated that the Ulama refrain AS MUCH AS THEY CAN from takfir, and PREFER to outline a criteria which rules a person kafir or not. No word or statement in what I have said negates the possibility of the Ulama doing Takfir when there is a necessity. i reiterate what I have mentioned elsewhere, issue is not of takfir which I have contended to, rather, did the Ulama of the ASWJ regard adhabul Qabr as a doubtful matter as you have indicated? I am still waiting for you answer.
mantismaster 3 years ago
But I want to understand your position more clearly because we might use the word Aqeeda with different meanings. This is my question to you:
Does someone who denies Azhab ul Qabr and Ahad Hadith is a Kaafir or Faasiq/deviant?
abdullah1924 3 years ago
Assalamu Aliakum brother,
you are cicumventing my questions. You have mentioned two things, to which I have posed questions to and you are yet unable to answer them, to remind you, the first is, is what you claim the belief regarding adhabalQabr the view of ASWJ, and secondly, are the narrations pertaining to really Ahad - is this the view of the Ulama of the ASWJ?
mantismaster 3 years ago