It Began With a Lie - Part 1

[WarzSchoolchild]

The two 'Jokers' in the pack, have yet to be played. The first 'Joker' is the Internet Joker, Lies will be exposed. The second 'Joker' in the pack, is more devastating, "dando damayatam asmi...nitir asmi jigisatam...maunam caivasmi guhyanam...jnanam jnanavatam aham."(Gita 10:38)

[NUSRPKINA]

Thank you for this video that is all the truth on it.God will punish all ofthem for what they did to us.Kosovo is Serbia nad will be Serbia 4ever.

[KtBdOKW]

"Never again, war shall go out from German soil ". And who would have thought that the socialists and Greens would break this unquestioned law in German policy after the second World War. And still they insist of beeing just. What a mad mad world.

[jakojako777]

Lies forgotten,crime is done!Today not many people seek for the real truth.

USA turning into NAZI state.

[SpongebobSquarebrain]

I wonder about their next target! I won't get surpised if it is Greece!

[Lillymill]

I doubt it.

Not militarily, at least.

When it comes to diplomatic puppet games... What a timing!

Cyprus-Greece-Macedonia-FYROM-­NATO-Kosovo-Serbia-EU

What a time for solving problems and an attempt to turn Orthodox Christians against each other.

[SpongebobSquarebrain]

I don't believe in "timings". History tought me that evrything is according some plan, when US is involved! What happens now was planned ~20, 30 years ago.

I don't think what's happening in Balkans has something to do with religions. Maybe they also used religions as they used nationalism (Skopia, Albania).

"Divide and rule" (works from ancient times)!

Support the weaker (which desperately needs support and he is willing to pay pack), cut in pieces the stronger and win!

[Lillymill]

Oh, you can bet on it.

The support of the weaker side in the conflict requires the presence of foreign forces to secure a long lasting peace. Supporting the stronger side helps resolve the conflict, brings stability to the region much faster and does not require foreign military presence in such a proportion.

This whole mess is just a strategic positioning of NATO for WW3.

Think of it as something like Hitler's peaceful annexion of Austria and Czechoslovakia prior to WW2.

[SpongebobSquarebrain]

Well said! I agree with you!

[Leg1ja]

i see that.

that fucking nazis are lieing...

fuck that liers.fight for the true...

kosovo is serbia.

[mastilop]

You can find all here:

w w w. rulersoftheworld .c o m

[mastilop]

NATO = Nazi motherfuckers!

[Serbiawillrevenge]

great videos you have!thank's

[Lillymill]

I don't post regularly but do check out my channel occasionally.

[Aegialeus]

@ Lillymill

Albanian psudeo-history on the doubled headed eagle here:

watch?v=4j0g3rqcT5c

[Aegialeus]

@Lillymill

I am not Albanian nor Serbian, nor am I Christian or Muslim but an Atheist/Agnostic I am. I just seek facts and truth. This is just a personal declaration for those like to quickly judge without facts. I have read much about this uncalled for war on the Serbians by NATO. I know that many Mohajadines of Alkada were smugled into Kosovo through Albania. Some also say Turkey was a major player, but behind the seens into pushing for this war.

I thankyou for posting this doc.

[Lillymill]

It seems that they've been many players behind the scenes and I'm afraid this story is far from over.

[Aegialeus]

Yes, I agree it is far from over.

Correction do to when I wrote this I was half asleep:

"I am. I just seek facts and truth. This is just a personal declaration for those like to quickly judge without facts."

I ment to say,

"I just seek facts and truth. This is just a personal declaration to those who like to quickly judge without facts."

[Alb1nl]

People from different places, such as Pirot, Niš, Montenegro, Novi-Pazar, Kosova, Raska, etc., went there and got settled.

As it can be seen, ethnic cleansing, as a method of forceful changing of the population structure, for the first time in the Balkans and Europe, was accomplished by Serbia, to the detriment of ethnic Albanians, still in nineteenth century.

[Lillymill]

So when Albanians settle in Serbia, they're endangered ethnic minority but when Serbs settle in Kosovo, they're colonizers, right? :)

This attitude explains so much.

Whether you liked it or not, migration does not mean colonization and it actually existed long before all of the nations in Balkans as well as throughout the entire world.

With Kosovo Albanian tendency to have a dozen children per family, I don't see how you can accuse Serbs of forcefully changing the population structure.

[Alb1nl]

It wasn't migration, but colonization because the autochtons (Albanians) were against it. No matter what and how you think about Kosova.

Albanians were and are the mayority in Kosova. Serbs tried for more than 100 years to change that, but they failed.

[Lillymill]

"Migration-1.movement from one place to another: the act or process of moving from one region or country to another"

It has nothing to do with whether somebody likes it or not.

IF Albanian constituted a regional majority in Kosovo they would've been happy to prove it in census. Nevertheless, they've constantly boycotted census to avoid the truth that they're far from majority and that most of them were actually illegal immigrants from Albania with no IDs.

[Alb1nl]

The idea of ethnic cleansing, as it is seen in the declarations of Serbian higher officials of the time, was a permanent obsession of fear from the multiplication of the Albanians and the high degree of their resistance since 120 years ago. The vacant space that the Albanians left in South Serbia was populated in a systematic way by Serbian inhabitants, who were settled by the Serbian regime during the period 1878-1889 as colonists.

[Lillymill]

Serbian "colonization" of Kosovo in 1878-1889?

Albania itself came into existence in 1912 and you're talking about Albanian Kosovo in 1800s! :D

The bottom line is that Albanian as all other Muslims were granted territories by Ottoman Empire at the expense of their "kuffar" neighbors. 1st League of Prizren fought to keep these territories but failed. This is why 2nd League of Prizren joined Hitler and Musolini to annex the territories granted by Turks which were lost after the defeat of Ottomans

[Alb1nl]

Yes, I am talking about Albanian Kosova, because that's it!

Serbs ruled Kosova for a while till the Ottomas came there and sins 1912. Kosova belongs not to Serbs, never did and never will.

[Lillymill]

So, basically, whenever you realize that you are wrong, it triggers this senseless nationalistic reaction.

Too bad, I thought you were different.

[Alb1nl]

Sins then in every corner of the city, and Kosova Albanians were controled and humiliated.

I grow up with a tank on the front of my house.

When the others in Yugoslavia thowt about were to spent their vacantion this year, I thout hou to go to school without beeing stopped by police od beaten up. Kosova was occupied and the 'Apartheid" began there. I felt it on my own skin, so don't come with minority mayority things.

[Lillymill]

What exactly did you feel on your skin? Watching Serbian tanks? Has any of those KLA assholes or their supporters considered the fact that they're putting their own families at risk, that they're endangering their own people? What did you expect? To hide them in the villages and live a normal life while they wage guerilla warfare?

Do you know who's Florin Krasniqi? His family was safe back in Brooklyn while he sponsored KLA in Kosovo. Idiots like that do most harm to their own people.

[Alb1nl]

Let's talk about 1912!

From that time the governments of Serbia, Montenegro and Greece made use of all the means and measures available for ethnic cleansing in the occupied regions. According to Turkish statistics, 912,902 inhabitants lived in the Vilayet of Kosova, out of whom 743,040 were Albanians, 53,396 Bulgarians, 106,209 Serbs, 20,009 Jews and 5,043 Romanies.

[Lillymill]

Oh, I can hardly wait to talk about 1912!

Turkish statistics in 1912? What Turkish statistics? The ones in Wikipedia, you guys invent at will.

Sweet. Are there any Turkish statistics about the number of Serbs right after Ottomans arrived?

And why is that Albanians were under Serbian rule prior to Ottoman invasion if they were a majority?

It's much more logical conclusion that Albanians as Ottoman allies exterminated Serbs to get Kosovo over 500 years.

[Alb1nl]

Wrong. Serbs were the one beeing ally of Ottomans for 500 years. Albanians continued to fight. Albanians were mayority in Kosovo, of course. Greeks were also mayority in their territories, but still under the Serbian rule of Car Dusan. Very clear.

During the Ottomans, Orthodox Church has many privileges, that's the reason that serbs had an Cultural authonomie.

[Lillymill]

Wrong? Let's start with the Battle of Kosovo 1389. Albanians claim they fought along Serbs. Is there any Albanian warrior, commander or something Albanians remember from this battle?

There was Skanderbeg who in 1443 switched sides and joined Hungary. Then... Serbian First uprisal in 1804, Albanian Prizren League in 1804, Serbian Second Uprisal in 1815.

How do you explain a great number of Muslims among Albanians after the rule of Ottoman Empire?

[Alb1nl]

Battle of Kosovo 1389: Balsha, Muzakaj and Kastrioti fought there.

Scanderbeg was taken by Ottomans as child to make his father promiss loyality to sultan. As many other children during their rule.

I told you about privileges of Orthodox Church. Katoliks didn't have any privilege. Albanians were (mayority) Katoliks and islamization was the only way to survive. Long story.

[Alb1nl]

During the Byzantine and Ottoman Empire, according the registration of population in Kosova area, most of the inhabitans were Albanian speaking.

[Lillymill]

So basically Byzantine and Ottoman census, right? You didn't boycott census at the time, ha? :D

Again why would Tzar Dusan be king of Serbs, Greeks and Albanians if Serbs were a minority?

[Alb1nl]

Because he conquered the territories of Albanians and Greeks! Why is that difficult to understand.

[Lillymill]

Because it's not logical.

If Serbs were a minority there was less of them. How can you be outnumbered and conquer other people?

They didn't have guns or weapons of mass destruction.

[Alb1nl]

Serbs were minority in Kosova but not other regions. Dusan was a cleaver "general" and also very cruel. Did you now that that Katoliks were punished and all their churches were turned to Orthodox ones?!

[Lillymill]

Actually, that's the exact fabrication I was talking about!

You can't turn Catholic Churches in Orthodox with a magic wand. There's a difference in architecture. Is this why Albanians broke crosses from their rooftops? I wouldn't do that to a Cathlolic Church. Christians don't do that, Orthodox or Catholic.

Who exactly brought Catholicism to Kosovo? Serbs or Turks? Or Illyrians?

I'd say that it was after 1914 and Wilhelm von Wied's rule of newly established Albania.

[Alb1nl]

Christianity was brought throw the Roman Empire in Europe.

After the dividing of the Roman Empire in East and West, the Church divivided too.

Albanian lands were divided in two parts, so the church.

There are many churches in Kosova with typical Katolik elements, but they werre changed into Orthodox.

[Lillymill]

So Serbs were minority in Kosovo during Tzar Dusan but Tzar Dusan exterminated Albanians himself or... What was it? How exactly did Serbs oppress you in Middle Ages and who were Serbian and Albanian medieval paramilitaries, guerillas and terrorists?

[Alb1nl]

How did the Serbs opressed us in Middle Ages!!!

Hhmmm, let's think about it.

Serbs opressed us in the most cruel maneers during the 20th century. The hole world was shocked. So, what do you think about the middle ages and the way of opressing in that time.

[Lillymill]

In 90s you claim to have been outgunned. Nevertheless, in Middle Ages it wasn't about guns, it wasn't about tanks nor about aviation. And since you claim to have been a majority all this time how is it possible that Serbian minority oppressed you?

[Alb1nl]

You juist don't want to understand, do you!

We don't claim anything, we juist show the facts. Not the serbian version of the truth, but the real one.

About the middle ages, people opressed eachother. Car Dusan was cruel ruler for all conquered regions (incl. Kosova).

[Lillymill]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. There's no Serbian or Albanian truth. The truth is universal.

You claim that medieval Serbs were minority. But you also claim that they oppressed Albanian majority. How was it physically possible for the minority to oppress majority?

[Alb1nl]

Good.

That's let the past to Historians.

I grow up in Prishtina with a lot of Serb neighbours. I remember 1981, when the students and workers demonstrated for better life conditions. There were Serbs demonstrating with us together. But, when the government proclaim those demonstrations as contrarevolutionary, Serbs changed their mind and everything turn to hell for Albanians. Army and Special Police from all Yugoslavia came in Kosova.

[Praha1980]

Shame for USA and Europe!!!!Is that democratic??? NATO are the fasitic Organisation of today!

Kosovo is Serbian Land!!!

From the Czech Republic

[Alb1nl]

It all began with the greatest lie of all - the serbian lie about kosovo!!

At the end of the 19th century with Garashanin, followed by Cubrilovic, Andric, Cosic,... and Milosevic.

[Lillymill]

And what lie would this be?

[Alb1nl]

The greatest lie in the history of serbs.

The one that says Kosovo is Srbija!

Historically, Demografically and Geografically, Kosova never belonged to Serbs.

During the rule of Car Dusan and sins 1912 when the Serbs together with the others conquered Kosova. Thats it.

[Lillymill]

Do you have any historical records, scientific facts, material evidence... practically whatever to back up this theory? Or will you stick to Dardania no matter what?

The very word Kosovo is evidently Serbian and you're distorting it to suit your separatism. Why do you think that anything else you say which is less evident (like ancient history) would be true?

Let's try it your way. What exactly appened between Dardani and Tzar Dusan? Or did Dusan conquer Illyrians? :)

[Alb1nl]

The very word kosovo is Turkish, no matter what you say!!Car Dusan was the king of Serbs, Greeks and Arbanas (Albanians). Don't even go there with Seselj theorie of serbs beeing the descendants of Illyrians.

Evidence is in the Orthodox Curch archives and also in Vatican and Ankara archives.

Example: Fresco in the monastery of Decani "Burrial of Dusan". Second row many white heats!!

[Lillymill]

"Kos"-blackbird(s), "ovo"-'s, "polje"-field.

Now, tell me what does it mean in Turkish.

Heh, not a chance I ridicule both Serbs and Albanians who claim Illyrian origin. :D

I asked you about the evidence of Albanian/Illyrian history from Dardania onwards. Because there's a tremendous gap in your version of history. What you've said (and I'll have to trust you on that) about the fresco only proves that we've lived together back in 14th century. I never claimed it was otherwise.

[Alb1nl]

All right, you seem to be a normal serb.

Yes we lived together for a long time and hopefully will do again.

That gap is like a black hole in Balkan history because of many troubles with Huns, Visigoths, Ostrogots,...

Anyway, according to unpartial Historians, Albanians are the true descendants of Illyrians and Thracians. And there are a lot of theories about our language and it's Thraco-Illyrians elements.

[Lillymill]

You seem to be a normal Albanian and I'm glad to discuss anything with reasonable people. When it comes to Albanians and Serbs living together... Well, my uncle is married to Albanian girl so should I say more :D

As for Illyrian heritage, I'm personally interested because you guys are giving so much importance to it. Based on the principle "we were here first", Irish and Welsh people might easily demand the whole territory of UK.

And this is not an exception. Just take a look at Aztlan movement.

[Alb1nl]

Lilymill - During last 90 years, Albanians had very difficult times (in all possible ways). We shouldn't discuss about the past, but if the others claim averything you thout that it was yours, you normaly go and search for the truth! For the sake of surviving. Normaly we should think and discuss about the future and economical possibilities of Balkan and not who was first.

[Lillymill]

Ahm...Actually no. What's now happening is that many Albanian intellectuals don't like lots of things about their history and since it's not quite familiar publicly, they're determined to rewrite their own history to suit their needs and politics. And it is a terribly wrong thing in my opinion.

Earlier, I mentioned Aztlan in USA. It's the area of three states inhabited by Mexican immigrants who believe that they're Aztec descendants and that its their ancient land.

Familiar much?

[Alb1nl]

Albanin intellectuals aren't doing enough on this matter. They never did. It's impossible top rewrite the history in Albanian and Kosova, because those intellectuals aren't cooperating.

If we Albanians take all the information about us, written by unpartial western scholars and documents from different archives, then serbs will get humiliated about their lies and rewritten history.

[Lillymill]

Those intellectuals who are competent are aware that the dream of panalbanian mythical ancient state is imaginary as dozens of other similar movements throughout the world. You can't be impartial if you're a nationalist. It shouldn't be about humiliating Serbs. It should be about discovering your own roots for the sake of your own people.

If you found a lost boomerang in Kosovo you'd say Illyrians hunted cangaroos, for God's sake!

[Alb1nl]

I'm nationalist on the way of surviving the Serbian propaganda machinerie. I wasn't talking about humiliating serbs as nation, but serbian lies.

I believe on impartial western scholars, and I believe on our ancient roots in Balkan.

But, even if Albanians came from somewhere else, that doesn't make any difference for this moment. Serbs lost Kosova because of their own thirst for power and their megali ideas of beeing superior. Serbs caused only trouble in Kosova.

[Lillymill]

You're problem are not Serbian ideas of superiority but Albanian ideas of inferiority.

Oh, so now it's about surviving "cultural genocide", ha? Sweet! :D

Gloating over Serbian loss of Kosovo and talking about Serbian thirst for power... Oh, man, do you even hear yourself?

Materially, Kosovo is useless. The meaning Kosovo has for me will never have for you and that's something nobody can take away from me so you can go on and demolish churches like all good Christians if this makes you happy.

[Alb1nl]

Hahaha, materially useless, c'mon. That's the only reason Serbia wanted Kosova all the time.

The meaning of Kosova means nothing for you and your imaginary myths. They are all lies. Don't even go to that trick about demoilishing Churches. Everything that Christianty forbid, you Serbs did it! You don't even have the right to call yourself a Christian. Hou many Churches and Mosques are destrouyed by Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova?

[Lillymill]

Exactly, materially useless. What is there in Kosovo? Ores? Gold? Platinum?

What imaginary myths? The Battle of Kosovo. You'll never get it. It's not about any mythical victory. It's about the sacrifice our ancestors were ready to make for their land.

How many churches and mosques Serbs destroyed in Kosovo? Do you have a proof that Serbs destroyed any of those churches on purpose? Are you aware how often churches and mosques are used for sniper fire in wars?

[Srdjan97]

Serbian propaganda machinery?! LoL!!! This whole mess is happening because Serbia was unable to show the truth to the world! On the other hand, you did pretty well by accomplishing your goal with the worlds biggest power. One thing is for sure albo, Kosovo will always be Serbia and you just keep on dreaming that you'll be able to get a better life. With this mess, made by you and the USA, it is impossible cause there will be no chair in the UN, no credits from worlds bank and no place in EU.

[Alb1nl]

In Turkish language menas also Black Bird field.

In Serbian language is Crna Ptica Polje!!

Or Polje of Sova (Black Bird.)

[Lillymill]

No, no, you got it wrong...

It's not "black bird". It's "blackbird" (Turdus merula).

"Kos" is Serbian for this bird species.

[Alb1nl]

In many chronical archives from that time, is nothing that shows us the name Kosovo!!!

Much much later it was used to name that region.

Some Albanians have also an other explanation. The one that it derivate from the Illyrian language Kas Kas - Mountain and Va-u - High Field!!!

[Lillymill]

Oh, no? What about Vilayet of Kosovo?

You'll basically go back to ancient Balkans and speculate about Illyrians whenever you're confronted with historical facts.

"Illyrian language"? Are you serious?

[Alb1nl]

Vilayet of Kosovo is a result of Ottomans. We were talking before the ottomans!

[Lillymill]

"Kosovo" is a Serbian name which unlike all other theories you suggested has no flaws. It's name has a clear and distinct meaning. You're upset about it because you're aware that it actually is a Serbian name and that huge majority of your people intentionally immigrated into Kosovo. This is why they've always avoided census since they were illegal aliens without IDs. Dozens of Albanian citizens bribed Serbian soldiers (the people I know) to be allowed to cross the border. EVEN in 90s. :)

[Alb1nl]

There are many theorie about the name of Kosova. None of them aren't interesting enough for me.

I'm more interest about the future and Serb mentality!

Do the Serbs want peace in Balkan or not?

Are they (Serbs) ready to accept the reality?

Etc, etc,...

[Lillymill]

If you weren't interested, we wouldn't be discussing it in the first place ;)

Why would you care about Serbian mentality?

[Alb1nl]

I care about Serbian mentality, because of the future in Balkan. If Serbs aren't able to get rid of their radicals and move forward, then we will never get the peace.

[Alb1nl]

Do you really believe in those cetnik fairy tales about Albanians moving into Kosova from Albania?

There were movements but not from Albania!

They came from the region of Nis, Prokuplje,... when the Serbian army clensed that area from non Serbian population. It happened at the end of 19th century and begin of 20th century.

Read about Ilija Garashanin and Vaso Cubrilovic. Even Branislav Nushiq and Vuk Karadjic wrote about it.

[Lillymill]

Yes, Albanians did immigrate to Serbia, Greece, Macedonia, etc. After WW2 Albanians immigrated to Kosovo because of Enver Hoxha's regime. But most of all, because of blood feud to save their families from vendetta.

Just look at Albanian population in Presevo valley today. They're always complaining about human rights, constantly asking for more money and, at the same time,they're attacking Serbian police and asking for their own independence. The same thing they made troubles in Macedonia! So...

[Alb1nl]

Lillymill - Juist read the book "Agrarian Reforms" by M. Obradovic. He described very well the colonization of Kosova with serbs from all over Yugoslavia, bu name, surname, birthplace,...

So, don't come with that childish serbian propaganda about Albanians moving into Kosova from albania.

[Lillymill]

Encarta dictionary: to colonize - 2. transitive verb; go to live in new land: to go to and live permanently as part of a settlement in a FOREIGN LAND that was previously SPARSELY INHABITED

Now compare your own claims of constant 90% Albanian majority in Kosovo with your latest accusations of Serbian colonization of Kosovo.

It doesn't make sense, does it?

And, finally, what would be the reason for constant Albanian boycott of census in Kosovo?

[Osmanovic]

Big thanks for posting this video and to the REAL journalists who seeked to show the truth as it really is!!!

[Lillymill]

Actually, there was tremendous political pressure on those journalists about the video, yet their TV station decided to hold its ground and stand behind their investigation.

[Osmanovic]

pressure, of course, nowadays anything else would come as a surprise to me...one really needs to have a lot of guts to be objective and honest about Serbian issue

[cucicuci18]

good video

[Econ0012]

finnaly, thank you for this,

[Philipfilip]

tnx 4 posting this

[Lillymill]

Nema frke, Nishki! Bice josh toga.

[crnogoracz]

Excellent video. Truth is coming out, I didn't expect to come out from German side, since they led the propaganda war. I'm impressed.

[Lillymill]

That's why I never hate nations. I always hate governments. There are honest people as well as crooks everywhere. Good people know no borders.

[UKMK1991]

Great video.

Thank you for sharing.

God bless.

[suvorov4]

well said, lillymill.

[Osmanovic]

and it was a German yet again who discovered that barbed wire, which the western media presented as being something of a serbian concentration camp. Geez I wonder is this ever gonna stop

[WyattKaldenberg]

Thanks for posting this. It's very good.