People are so miserable and lacking in human kindness,respect or empathy that when someone is happy and doing well or is different to them they do their best to knock them down and spoil their fun. People get to the point when they hear someone laughing they are offended by it. If you are kind to people these days they see it as an insult. All ego/pride based because they have nothing left to fight for but survival.
@philipsmovies Am I not allowed to do that anymore once you are king? I suppose you have no ego. You must be pure, you've never felt jealousy and never secretly laughed inside at someones misfortune. It's simple, there are to many of us to be all friends. It goes with diversity. Or do you prefer us turning into droids. Simplistic views bah..
People are so miserable and lacking in human respect or empathy that when someone is happy and doing well or is different to them they do their best to knock them down and spoil their fun.
I was a serious little munchkin too, but I am so glad that I can laugh at myself now. :D
It is mean to laugh at others mistakes, but I will certainly shake my head {or even howl} at some of the folks around here who think that they are beyond reproach and are the shining examples of perfection and perpetual victimhood...whilst of course being complete shits to everyone who disagrees with them.
The Ulitmate in Schadenfreude is when somone with an axe to grind gets hold of a biological weapon, say a deadly virus or a nuclear weapon and unleashs it.
Many examples of that, Timothy McVeigh in America blowing up a Federal Building killing something like 180. The obvious Schadenfreude Bin Laden displayed when discussing 9/11, the video is on YouTube.
Sometimes Humans are the most hideous creatures ever created on the planet.
,when i was young i would vandalize school property or flood the toilets and someone else would always get the blame although would always own up to it in the end as didnt like the feeling of it plus they was getting all the credit for my work heh but yeah isnt the same as schadenfreude so isnt linked it to imaturity would have to be a personallity disorder, im sure a sociopath can completely relate to this but for myself i hardly take any joy or pleasure in anything im mostly mono heh
excuse the glitch in my sentencing im dyslexic so occationally place miss guiders, although has been alot worser then this can deteriate in as little as 1 month :S
@4winders I think you were pretty clear. The only thing I'd take issue with is that a sociopath in the true meaning of the word would be unable to feel any pleasure at anothers misfortunes, being unable to empathise with them.
@Loreleila good point scary too as it takes alot of sickos in this world out of the equation, i struggle to think what kind of person is capable of that tbh without a certian level of grief or hate towards that person before hand and even then it wouldnt be healthy, my guess is they must really hate the human species & them selves for that matter and learnt to laugh at it all as a coping mechanism maybe which is good for most things but there is line
@Loreleila What I was getting at is that I very much doubt that people who are secure have a need to derive pleasure from someone else's misfortune only because those who are secure don't have to put others down in order to make themselves feel better like insecure people do...
I like comedy in the vein of Fawlty Towers, Alan Partridge, Nathan Barley, The Office, which are all based in laughing at the self-inflicted misfortunes of a tragic and pretty unlikeable character.
@petermaquire Well yes, but I think that British humour is largely based on laughing at our own absurdities, and as someone else pointed out, laughing at yourself is not the same thing as Schadenfreude. Lets face it, humans are pretty absurd (she said with fondness :P).
I have been finding different kinds of people who enjoy this. there are people who work towards bringing other misfortune, those that just see it, those that are only interested in the moment of it and seem to completely forget it soon after. I thought schadenfeude would be such a rare thing, the older I get I find there lots of people into it and into different aspects of it. I can only understand a very little bit of it and do not feel any such joy in the misfortune of others.
@bikemessenger7 Indeed. Should one be of a mind to you could do a whole study of the various kinds of Schadenfreude, the types of people prone to it and so on. I have better things to do however. I can't see you doing it at all (either the study or the action).
i guess most of the Schadenfreude is that glad that is not happening to me. as mel brooks said "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die."
@Loreleila I am not sure it is a purely human thing. I think it could be an instinctual thing along the lines of i am still alive that huge predator did not eat me!
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Looking at the videos that get a hundred thousand hits on YouTube, I'm just glad that you never see Schadenfreude on YouTube.
Or sarcasm.
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Actually, it seems as though people who feel truly happy try to lift you up to their level and people who feel truly miserable deliberately try to pull you down, about 99% of the time (with some exceptional exceptions).
So when people really try to pull me down I assume they're miserable.
And that is true. This is something I'm acutely aware of, that when someone goes for you (especially for no obvious reason) chances are they're operating from a wounded place, lashing out, and it's far more to do with them than it is you.
Haha, some people spend their time sitting around waiting to be clever by attempting to make others feel stupid. These people are called haterz, love. It is a good thing to have haterz, it means you are doing something right.
Very true, it's one of the main things that spoil the open exchange experience. It's about status too. If the other falls, the other implicitly stands higher. The laughing reinforces that status and frankly to me is what makes the mind of the bully. The good person helps the other person up. The bully points and laughs. Simpson's Nelson is the canonical caricature of this.
Has nothing to do with the ability of laughing at oneself. Laughing at oneself is recognizing our egos.
@socrates856 That's true, yet the status of the person doing it is not in reality raised at all, and they then also need to watch their back. Those who practice such forms of bullying don't get away scot free, far from it. A body of resentment builds and they generally end up the worse for it.
many people, i'm sure, learn to laugh at other's misfortune before they learn to walk. for example, loving parents raising a baby will often laugh when baby is learning new things, like standing or walking, & when they fall down, (as long as baby doesn't get injured) they will laugh at baby. this is only one example of many i could give, and this habit seems fairly common among young parents.
anyway, i think it grows from there, & i 100% put it down to nurture, not nature, i doubt its innate.
@gothatfunk I'm sure you're right about it being nurture over nature, but there must be other factors involved in the sense that what lies behind someones laughter, their intent and whether it's malicious or ridiculing or just fond must make a difference, even to a tiny child. It doesn't seem to be something everyone feels to serve them, but I'm guessing most of us have been laughed at early in life.
lol i like the ending :) but yes some people let their ego thrive on putting other people down and laughing at them and i don't think that is helpful for us as a society or even for themselves. it's a lack of sympathy that i think is a shame.
@FleetingSunshine lol :) I agree, I don't think it's helpful either for society of those who practice it. They harm themselves at least as much as those it's directed at.
Well for me Schadenfreude is the result of the multiple trauma perpetuated on myself by others and the glee others have taken in my misfortune.
I would like to think I could rise above it, yet when beaten down to the dirt one would have to be a Ghanddi or an MLK or a Bodisattva not to take pleasure in others misfortune.
Unfortunely we are flawed defective animals or at least 99% of the human race is. Too many examples of this cycle of Schadenfreude to list.
@valhala56 So you're saying it's tit for tat? I can see why that might prove to be the case, in fact my recent video on revenge comes to mind, but while natural I'm not sure retaliation is the most productive use of your efforts. It seems somehow to empower your critics. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding though, that's easy in text and I don't know you well enough to know your situation.
@Lore Well I guess I will have to go to list, The cycle of violence Israel/Palenstine never ending Schadenfreude. The attitude Sec State Clintion when talking about Ghaddifi & Libyia, Diplomatic speak Schadenfreude, The recent Dir Spiegel article of American "Kill Teams" Posing with dead Afghan Civilians they just killed. The endless lawsuits in America, which really amounts to a legal lottery of winning huge settlements. There is no end of selfishness in humans. it will be the death of us all
@valhala56 Sure, I can see all this. I was referring to this:
'for me Schadenfreude is the result of the multiple trauma perpetuated on myself by others and the glee others have taken in my misfortune.
I would like to think I could rise above it, yet when beaten down to the dirt one would have to be......a Bodisattva not to take pleasure in others misfortune.'
You seemed to be implying that if it happened to you the only answer was retaliation and so my answer was in response to that thought
People are so miserable and lacking in human kindness,respect or empathy that when someone is happy and doing well or is different to them they do their best to knock them down and spoil their fun. People get to the point when they hear someone laughing they are offended by it. If you are kind to people these days they see it as an insult. All ego/pride based because they have nothing left to fight for but survival.
philipsmovies 11 months ago
@philipsmovies It's a shame, though there are still people out there who are not like this.
Loreleila 11 months ago
@philipsmovies Am I not allowed to do that anymore once you are king? I suppose you have no ego. You must be pure, you've never felt jealousy and never secretly laughed inside at someones misfortune. It's simple, there are to many of us to be all friends. It goes with diversity. Or do you prefer us turning into droids. Simplistic views bah..
F00dTube 10 months ago
@F00dTube People like you should be seen and not heard! Route out falseness and change your world.
philipsmovies 10 months ago
People are so miserable and lacking in human respect or empathy that when someone is happy and doing well or is different to them they do their best to knock them down and spoil their fun.
philipsmovies 11 months ago
I was a serious little munchkin too, but I am so glad that I can laugh at myself now. :D
It is mean to laugh at others mistakes, but I will certainly shake my head {or even howl} at some of the folks around here who think that they are beyond reproach and are the shining examples of perfection and perpetual victimhood...whilst of course being complete shits to everyone who disagrees with them.
<3
Laurel
YeOldeHeretic 11 months ago
@YeOldeHeretic :) I have been known to do a bit of head shaking myself. Oh, and sighing. :P
Loreleila 11 months ago
The Ulitmate in Schadenfreude is when somone with an axe to grind gets hold of a biological weapon, say a deadly virus or a nuclear weapon and unleashs it.
Many examples of that, Timothy McVeigh in America blowing up a Federal Building killing something like 180. The obvious Schadenfreude Bin Laden displayed when discussing 9/11, the video is on YouTube.
Sometimes Humans are the most hideous creatures ever created on the planet.
valhala56 11 months ago
,when i was young i would vandalize school property or flood the toilets and someone else would always get the blame although would always own up to it in the end as didnt like the feeling of it plus they was getting all the credit for my work heh but yeah isnt the same as schadenfreude so isnt linked it to imaturity would have to be a personallity disorder, im sure a sociopath can completely relate to this but for myself i hardly take any joy or pleasure in anything im mostly mono heh
4winders 11 months ago
excuse the glitch in my sentencing im dyslexic so occationally place miss guiders, although has been alot worser then this can deteriate in as little as 1 month :S
4winders 11 months ago
@4winders I think you were pretty clear. The only thing I'd take issue with is that a sociopath in the true meaning of the word would be unable to feel any pleasure at anothers misfortunes, being unable to empathise with them.
Loreleila 11 months ago
@Loreleila good point scary too as it takes alot of sickos in this world out of the equation, i struggle to think what kind of person is capable of that tbh without a certian level of grief or hate towards that person before hand and even then it wouldnt be healthy, my guess is they must really hate the human species & them selves for that matter and learnt to laugh at it all as a coping mechanism maybe which is good for most things but there is line
4winders 11 months ago
Schadenfreude is for the insecure... Unfortunately, most people are insecure about something.
phekwig 11 months ago
@phekwig Sure most people are insecure, but it does not cause all to practice this rather unpleasant trait.
Loreleila 11 months ago
@Loreleila What I was getting at is that I very much doubt that people who are secure have a need to derive pleasure from someone else's misfortune only because those who are secure don't have to put others down in order to make themselves feel better like insecure people do...
fehquig 11 months ago
Thank You Lore... I completely agree with you... Good night, have golden dreams...
FARFALLONEBICCHIERE 11 months ago
@FARFALLONEBICCHIERE Thanks Mario
Loreleila 11 months ago
@projectcoco1 You're most welcome :)
Loreleila 11 months ago
I like comedy in the vein of Fawlty Towers, Alan Partridge, Nathan Barley, The Office, which are all based in laughing at the self-inflicted misfortunes of a tragic and pretty unlikeable character.
petermaquire 11 months ago
@petermaquire Well yes, but I think that British humour is largely based on laughing at our own absurdities, and as someone else pointed out, laughing at yourself is not the same thing as Schadenfreude. Lets face it, humans are pretty absurd (she said with fondness :P).
Loreleila 11 months ago
I have been finding different kinds of people who enjoy this. there are people who work towards bringing other misfortune, those that just see it, those that are only interested in the moment of it and seem to completely forget it soon after. I thought schadenfeude would be such a rare thing, the older I get I find there lots of people into it and into different aspects of it. I can only understand a very little bit of it and do not feel any such joy in the misfortune of others.
bikemessenger7 11 months ago
@bikemessenger7 Indeed. Should one be of a mind to you could do a whole study of the various kinds of Schadenfreude, the types of people prone to it and so on. I have better things to do however. I can't see you doing it at all (either the study or the action).
Loreleila 11 months ago
thanx for this, I have never heard of this word or what it means.fascinatiing.X
MsLavenderRose1 11 months ago
@MsLavenderRose1 You're welcome :)
Loreleila 11 months ago
the Demon/clown. the gloating grin of it. ive seen that expression on a human face.
Some folks are the rottenist apples in the barrel.
So many as yet unnamed human emotions.
LimpLoser 11 months ago
@LimpLoser Me too. I chose it because I thought it showed this particular emotion pretty well.
Loreleila 11 months ago
i guess most of the Schadenfreude is that glad that is not happening to me. as mel brooks said "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die."
Dullbedsitblogger 11 months ago
@Dullbedsitblogger What curious creatures humans are. :S
Loreleila 11 months ago
@Loreleila I am not sure it is a purely human thing. I think it could be an instinctual thing along the lines of i am still alive that huge predator did not eat me!
Dullbedsitblogger 11 months ago
@Dullbedsitblogger Hmm, I'm not sure, unless it was feeling pleasure at someone else being eaten rather than you.
Loreleila 11 months ago
/watch?v=4NwouN_KigY
rocketwhiplash2468 11 months ago
@rocketwhiplash2468 lol! I think some do genuinely see the amount of haters they have as a badge of honour. In this respect I am a failure. :P
Loreleila 11 months ago
Would it be unfair of me to note that 'Schadenfreude' is a Western word and 'mudita' is an Eastern word?
Yes, it would.
I shan't do that.
ReliableInsider 11 months ago
@ReliableInsider No, don't mention that. That would be a bad idea.
Loreleila 11 months ago
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ReliableInsider 11 months ago
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ReliableInsider 11 months ago
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Loreleila 11 months ago
Looking at the videos that get a hundred thousand hits on YouTube, I'm just glad that you never see Schadenfreude on YouTube.
Or sarcasm.
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Actually, it seems as though people who feel truly happy try to lift you up to their level and people who feel truly miserable deliberately try to pull you down, about 99% of the time (with some exceptional exceptions).
So when people really try to pull me down I assume they're miserable.
ReliableInsider 11 months ago
@ReliableInsider lol
And that is true. This is something I'm acutely aware of, that when someone goes for you (especially for no obvious reason) chances are they're operating from a wounded place, lashing out, and it's far more to do with them than it is you.
Loreleila 11 months ago
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ReliableInsider 11 months ago
Haha, some people spend their time sitting around waiting to be clever by attempting to make others feel stupid. These people are called haterz, love. It is a good thing to have haterz, it means you are doing something right.
rocketwhiplash2468 11 months ago
@rocketwhiplash2468 Oh noes! Now I need to feel insecure because I barely have any haterz. Does that mean I'm doing everything wrong? :O
Loreleila 11 months ago
@Loreleila ... Naw you just do not stay in one place long enough for it to become hate ..Tee Hee :)
Mrwrinkleintime 11 months ago
@Loreleila LOL. Yes. Oh well I thought you were cool. guess not. :)
rocketwhiplash2468 11 months ago
@Loreleila ( See I am helping you out by hating. Now you have at least two of us. No need to thank me.)
rocketwhiplash2468 11 months ago
... The human race is the keystone cops come to life... :)
Mrwrinkleintime 11 months ago
@Mrwrinkleintime lol Indeed it is.
Loreleila 11 months ago
Very true, it's one of the main things that spoil the open exchange experience. It's about status too. If the other falls, the other implicitly stands higher. The laughing reinforces that status and frankly to me is what makes the mind of the bully. The good person helps the other person up. The bully points and laughs. Simpson's Nelson is the canonical caricature of this.
Has nothing to do with the ability of laughing at oneself. Laughing at oneself is recognizing our egos.
Good video.
socrates856 11 months ago
@socrates856 That's true, yet the status of the person doing it is not in reality raised at all, and they then also need to watch their back. Those who practice such forms of bullying don't get away scot free, far from it. A body of resentment builds and they generally end up the worse for it.
Loreleila 11 months ago
many people, i'm sure, learn to laugh at other's misfortune before they learn to walk. for example, loving parents raising a baby will often laugh when baby is learning new things, like standing or walking, & when they fall down, (as long as baby doesn't get injured) they will laugh at baby. this is only one example of many i could give, and this habit seems fairly common among young parents.
anyway, i think it grows from there, & i 100% put it down to nurture, not nature, i doubt its innate.
gothatfunk 11 months ago
@gothatfunk I'm sure you're right about it being nurture over nature, but there must be other factors involved in the sense that what lies behind someones laughter, their intent and whether it's malicious or ridiculing or just fond must make a difference, even to a tiny child. It doesn't seem to be something everyone feels to serve them, but I'm guessing most of us have been laughed at early in life.
Loreleila 11 months ago
lol i like the ending :) but yes some people let their ego thrive on putting other people down and laughing at them and i don't think that is helpful for us as a society or even for themselves. it's a lack of sympathy that i think is a shame.
FleetingSunshine 11 months ago
@FleetingSunshine lol :) I agree, I don't think it's helpful either for society of those who practice it. They harm themselves at least as much as those it's directed at.
Loreleila 11 months ago
Well for me Schadenfreude is the result of the multiple trauma perpetuated on myself by others and the glee others have taken in my misfortune.
I would like to think I could rise above it, yet when beaten down to the dirt one would have to be a Ghanddi or an MLK or a Bodisattva not to take pleasure in others misfortune.
Unfortunely we are flawed defective animals or at least 99% of the human race is. Too many examples of this cycle of Schadenfreude to list.
valhala56 11 months ago
@valhala56 So you're saying it's tit for tat? I can see why that might prove to be the case, in fact my recent video on revenge comes to mind, but while natural I'm not sure retaliation is the most productive use of your efforts. It seems somehow to empower your critics. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding though, that's easy in text and I don't know you well enough to know your situation.
Loreleila 11 months ago
@Lore Well I guess I will have to go to list, The cycle of violence Israel/Palenstine never ending Schadenfreude. The attitude Sec State Clintion when talking about Ghaddifi & Libyia, Diplomatic speak Schadenfreude, The recent Dir Spiegel article of American "Kill Teams" Posing with dead Afghan Civilians they just killed. The endless lawsuits in America, which really amounts to a legal lottery of winning huge settlements. There is no end of selfishness in humans. it will be the death of us all
valhala56 11 months ago
@valhala56 Sure, I can see all this. I was referring to this:
'for me Schadenfreude is the result of the multiple trauma perpetuated on myself by others and the glee others have taken in my misfortune.
I would like to think I could rise above it, yet when beaten down to the dirt one would have to be......a Bodisattva not to take pleasure in others misfortune.'
You seemed to be implying that if it happened to you the only answer was retaliation and so my answer was in response to that thought
Loreleila 11 months ago