@jib1000 The point is: ANY origin belief cannot qualify as science as it would lack observations and test cases showing said beliefs in action. Beliefs about origin (of the univers, or of life, or of biological diversity of life) are just that: beliefs alone.
But fish to man evolutionists dishonestly call their beliefs science, which is where it becomes a lie.
@jib1000 You’re saying the basis for all science is assuming all matter/energy and logical laws of nature just happened to always exist? Because Stephan Hawking (considered one of the most brilliant minds around) believes absolutely nothing can give rise to an entire universe (which maligns science and shows yet again how illogical we get when we reject the obvious truth of God).
@jib1000 Hello Given the abundance of ingenious designs in nature that scientists and engineers fail to come close to mimicking, between “nothing created it all” or “all matter, energy and laws of nature just happened to be here for eternity” in a world of “there is no God” is illogical. But where did all those *ingenious designs* come from? The answer is by faith and most people’s faith is in the Almighty God.
I'm sure Ray would be a nice guy if he wasn't running around calling people liars, thieves, adulterers, ect. It's too bad his religion is keeping him back.
@dotmadhack No, it's nice of you to suggest that, but unfortunately I doubt it. He does not seem very bright at all and I find it hard to imagine having an interesting conversation with him - even if he wasn't religious
Where or how did a powerful mind (god) get its first thought from if nothing existed? how can a mind operate before it had memory? How can you paint something if you have never seen anything? You can't have information stored in your memory before anything existed that truly makes no sense a computer can't operate with out a programmer to give it information so your "god" couldn't have been self created a artist needs to observe something before it can have an idea just FYI
@wachnathan Any theist who has a good argument against that please inlighten me ive been thinking about this for a long time and no one has ever given me a good argument against it.
"We can allow satellites, planets, suns, universe, nay whole systems of universes, to be governed by laws, but the smallest insect, we wish to be created at once by special act."
@fishcontrol .. people always ask, "where was God in all these school shootings" well you took God out of schools and look what your left with. statistics and numbers speak ..
WRONG. The constitution prohibits organized school prayer. a student can pray on his/her own provided they don't disrupt anyone but the school cannot organize prayer.
@filoIII The first line of the first ammendment of the United states constitution. It states the government will not establish any religion as the official religion of this nation. Also no government agency will perform a religious practice. since public schools are run by government agencies, school-held prayer cannot be done as it is a violation of other peoples' rights to practice their respective faith, or in the case of athiests, lack of faith.
@NUTCASE71733 You probably think the phrase "separation of church and state" are actually in the Constitution. Guess what. It's not. The First Amendment prevents the federal gov't from creating a state run religion like the Church of England. The 1st places the shackels on the fed gov't. State and local gov'ts can do what they wish. You really are ignorant of the Constitution. Stick w/ me and you'll learn something, kid.
I know the exact phrase isn't in there but it's implied. If school was allowed to do organized prayer, it would have to appeal to every religion and that wastes the time and money of the school which is better spent helping kids learn potentially nessesary skils they will need when they grow up. The school is ment for learning not indoctrination.
@NUTCASE71733 Would you like to take a guess at what one of the first books used in the schools of early america was? Take a stab at it. In the early life of the first colonies in the United States public education was provided for all children. An important yet little known fact about public school education in our country is that the primary purpose for establishing schools in America was to teach everyone to be able to read and understand the Holy Bible. Facts are a tricky thing, no?
An individual may pray for whatever reason they choose, but it cannot be disruptive by any means. That means no "GOD SHALL CONDEMN EVOLUTIONISTS" or "ALLAH BE PRAISED" is allowed by any means, by anyone, anytime during school hours. A discussion of religion, as in a theology course, can be allowed as long as they don't preach the gospel.
@NUTCASE71733 " as they don't preach the gospel." HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good one! Tell us another funny. FYI, teachers have every right to teach creation in a science class.
@mcpencil They have every right under the law to explain that not everyone believes in efoolution, that most believe it was created by a higher power, and can point out the VAST amount of inconsistencies in the dopey theory.
so, fundamentalist preachers know more about science than scientists? about 99.9% of the scientific community in the relevant fields accepts evolution. There should be a lesson at school that exposes all of the bullshit in the bible, and talks about how it was really put together. Including the pagan origins of Old Testament Yahweh ;)
@mcpencil Me thinks you watched Zeitgeist a bit much. Depends on what you call science. 1Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.--Science is observable, testable, and repeatable. The dopey theory is none of those, thus, is not "science." Speaking of astonomy, if all of the planets & moons come from the same bit of spinning, exploding mass, why do some rotate in the opposite direction?
sorry, none of my opinions are from zeitgest. Zeitgeists sources are questionable at best - people don't need zeitgeist to see how ridiculous the bible is. Methinks you have watched Kent Hovind too much :)
I don't think you can get around the fact that 99.9% of the relevant scientific community accepts evolution. Evolution is the backbone of biology - without it, there would be no such thing as modern biology, because using that model they have made useful predictions, advances, etc.
@mcpencil I repeat---Science is observable, testable, and repeatable. The dopey theory is none of those, thus, is not "science." Let the efoolution excuses begin.
Do you realise that dogs are artificially selected wolves? bananas also underwent evolution by artificial human selection. Bananas as we know them today are completely the result of evolution via human-led selection pressures. You should be familiar with this, being a Ray comfort fan.
@mcpencil I'm familiar w/ what every 5 yr old knows--that a pet dog and a wolf are of the same kind of animal. They're dogs. Nothing special about that. That would be akin to micro-evolution. Natural selection is not macro-efoolution. There are different types of dogs, cats, cabbage, and bananas. No big deal. That's a FAAAAAAAR cry from a banana and a dog having a common ancestor, which you as an efoolutionist, believe in. BaaaHAHAHAHHAA! You'll never prove that "theory."
@mcpencil Strange how you never respond to my statements cutting down efoolution. Go figure. Let's see what your beloved scientists have to say about your dopey theory, the fossil record, etc.
@mcpencil "The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution." ---Stephen Jay Gould (Professor of Geology and Paleontology, Harvard University)
@mcpencil "Contrary to what most scientists write, the fossil record does not support the Darwinian theory of evolution because it is this theory (there are several) which we use to interpret the fossil record. By doing so we are guilty of circular reasoning if we then say the fossil record supports this theory."
Ronald R. West, PhD (paleoecology and geology) (Assistant Professor of Paleobiology at Kansas State University)
@mcpencil "The essence of Darwinism lies in a single phrase: natural selection is the creative force of evolutionary change. No one denies that natural selection will play a negative role in eliminating the unfit. Darwinian theories require that it create the fit as well."
Stephen Jay Gould--Gould is one of yours. I got more if you can hack it.
that's cool, just Gould's opinion. Doesn't change the fact that 99.9999 +% of the relevant scientific community accepts evolution instead of creationism.
@mcpencil Oh, there's more. "When it comes to the origin of life on this earth, there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation. There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved 100 years ago, but that leads us only to one other conclusion: that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds; therefore, we choose to believe the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance." George Wald, 1967 Nobel Peace Prize winner in Science.
@filoIII Efoolutionists know the dopey theory can't be true, but the alternative, a God that'll hold everyone accountable for their actions, is so unappealing you just try to ignore it and poo poo it away. Can't be done. You have a conscience. Con meaning with. Science meaning knowledge. We sin w/ knowledge what we're doing is wrong. You're no different. Good luck w/ your unproven theory. You'll need it. G'day.
Ok, lets say that the entire scientific community is completely wrong about evolution (they're not). You state that the only alternative to that is a God that will hold us accountable. Which God? There have been thousands of Gods across cultures and timelines of human history, along with about as many different creation stories. All of the gods have different standards of accountability. What makes you think that the bible has a monopoly on the concept of god? (Hint: it doesn't.)
100% accurate prophecy - sure. You can interpret vague poetic prophecies any way you want in modern times. Only 1 Biblical "prophecy" has been fulfilled in modern times, and that is the re-creation of the state of Israel. The only reason it was fulfilled is because in both cases the Jews were very eager to get their "holy" land back. The Bible contains no real prophecy - whatever meaning you get out of it is created by the brains of desperate preachers trying to maintain relevance.
@mcpencil This isn't Nostradamus. There are hundreds of prophecies referring to Jesus alone. As long as you deny the Creator you will always discount them as being vague and made up. Regardless, your conscienece bears witness to the Truth.
The prophecies should be clear and valid enough to speak for themselves, regardless of an individuals belief in the biblical god. You're saying that the prophecies are proof of yahweh... but in order for the prophecies to be believable, you have to already believe in yahweh (ie. "as long as you deny the creator you will always discount them"). Therefore a person who does not believe in biblical yahweh is not going to find the prophecies compelling at all. Circular reasoning.
@mcpencil Yes or no-Was there a real town named Sodom? Yes or no-Can one go there today and pull sulfer pellets out of the buildings and surrounding land area?
so? that's just one guy's opinion. By the way, evolution is not spontaneous generation. But the creation story of the bible pretty much describes spontaneous generation :) you just shot yourself in the face.
@mcpencil That wasn't my quote. That was one of your guys. BTW, There's basically no difference tween spont. gen & abiogenesis. You're not getting over on me. An efoolution supporting microbiology professor told me that as well.
@lagnaf007 No offense taken. All I know is that if I'm going to get down on my knees it's going to be for something real...not something imaginary. Peace.
What is the hostility towards those who believe in Jesus? I am not sure why that is. I understand that some Christians are hypocrites and they are pushy...but I don't get the hatred of Christians. Do those who knock Christians intentionally choose to forget the good that is done in the name of Christ?
@fletchdrebon - because they are pushing into politics, education and are become the American Taliban. Watch "Jesus Camp" and you'll see these zelots trying to raise an army of brainwashed kids.
@fishcontrol Jesus camp appears to be very disturbing I agree. But should I watch that documentary and then label a billion people as who I see in that documentary? I just think we should judge each person or Christian by how they behave individually or as a church. The same way we should judge everyone else. I know many Christians who do a lot of good for the homeless and those in need who do it undercover. Just seems to be a dislike lately in America...
@fletchdrebon Do you just sit by and watch someone abuse their defenseless children? Do you just sit by and watch your country slowly become the Taliban?
@fishcontrol What if becauase I see a large amount of black people committing crimes and I then begin to persecute the entire black race? That is the logic you are using. Just judge each person according to what they do, not condemn a whole race or belief. Your points have validity but lack complete logic.
@fletchdrebon - because they are pushing into politics, education and are become the American Taliban. Watch "Jesus Camp" and you'll see these zealots trying to raise an army of brainwashed kids.
It's easy to forget that Ray Comfort is probably a really nice guy that is a good husband, a good father, and a good friend. I think he honestly believes he is saving people from eternal damnation by preaching.
However, he certainly makes an ass of himself often and spreads a lot of falsehoods and misconceptions around.
@logsdonj That's a good point. If his belief system were true then a lot of the things he does would be justifiable. It's just that the belief system doesn't make sense.
However, you could argue that some of the things he's done (e.g. his intro to Origin of Species) are blatantly intellectually dishonest. Again, I feel that he honestly doesn't believe in evolution, but if he would simply apply logic he would see that the arguments he makes are irrelevant to the truth of the theory.
@ArchRascal Yeah, he's definitely intellectually dishonest. He still sets up straw man arguments all the time. That means either (a) he knowingly deceives people or (b) he, despite having it explained to him many times, still doesn't even understand the theory he tries to dispute (which means he's an idiot). One of those two things has to be true.
@Thatsthebadger1 ah i get you, but who are we to judge wether it was due to any sort of divine intervention. you could say the fact he was brought up to be christian through family or nation or whatever was divinely planned i guess.
regardless though hes still a follower of christ man, thats what matters
@traceurswift Well yeah you cud say that but if you did you wud hav to say it about everyone Christians,muslims,hindus,seeks etc. and that means all religions are "correct" and according to most religions that can't be. If he had been born in Pakistan he wud feel this way about Islam.
@Thatsthebadger1 i see your logic man but not necessarily, ive seen alot of videos or heard accounts of, more than any other religion infact, of muslims turning to christ. but i agree with you mostly
@traceurswift I see wat you mean you can't generalise with everyone because the world is all about chance and uncertain i suppose.
I actually think religion was set out with the best intentions by some wise people but only for there time, all the civilisations/empires got on all right before the abrahamic religions, they built massive cities, conquered much of the world, gave us basic maths and science etc.......
The muslim world is lets be honest much less developed than the west, I bet it shakes there faith that their religion is meant to be the one true faith yet their countries and lives are not as good as people in the west or far east. Religion Holds them back. Christianity in the west held us back during the DARK ages but in the west we pioniered democracy and christianity changed with it.
@Thatsthebadger1 Apparently you don't realize it was catholicism that committed the atrocities during the Dark Ages. Not Christians. The catholic cult of the dead woman murdered 50 MILLION Christians during that time. See the difference.
In times past the Bible was taken literally but now the Church protestant and catholic say that the bad pasrts of the Bible are not to be taken seriously and are ment to be metaphorical because they don't fit our modern society. They pick and choose to find parts to fit with our world, first the bible was 100% now its not..it's either right or wrong you can't pick and choose parts of it. You can't do the same with a maths book.
I wasn't brought up a christian, but nevertheless i am today. Or are you trying to say you arent a real christian if you were brought up in a christian home?
@traceurswift Wat I'm saying is that if your born in America,australia, england,Italy or Ireland you probably gunna be brought up to be christian whereas if you wer brought up in India you would probably be a Hindu, if your brought up in Iraq you probably guna be a Muslim, Israel you'll be jewish... your born into wat ever religion your parents/country are/is. This guys a christian creationist by geographical chance not because of some divine meddling.
Well, the problem is, either you are a sheep or a goat. A sheep does have his Shephard which leads his sheep to greener pastures, while a goat, wandering around eating garbage doesn't.
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." -Albert Einstein
Oh crap, hold on, a wayofthemaster video with comments allowed
err.. gotta think of something quick before they remember and disable the comments on this one too.
uh... um, Ray! When constructing your argument against evolution why did you ask normal people and not the scientists that study it...
when thunderfoot asked you where right and wrong came from you said the bible, and then he asked what if pedophilia was allowed by god and you said "God wouldn't do that" are you aware what you did?
Why doesn't an all powerful God just destroy the devil? Surely God can do anything he wants can't he Ray? Why did God bother to create a sun to provide the earth with heat and light? Surely he could just have clicked his fingers and heat and light could rain down on earth from the Heavens...Also God could put this whole debate over his existance to rest at any point by simply appearing before us, but strangely he doesn't.
Hey yeah. And if god is all knowing, why did he create the devil in the first place? Wouldn't he know what he would do?
And why would god create people who don't believe in him. I mean he must obviously already know if this person is going to heaven or not, right? So what the hells the point of the foreplay if he knows the outcome of everything. And he must know and also be responsible for every outcome of every situation. Am i right?
I thought god's suppose to be omniscient and omnipotent.
yeah... why if hes god is so wise and powerful could chose such an idiot as hes representative? if hes one of the "best" defenders of creationism... well yeah that says a lot about the other ones.
i think im gonna become a dumb preacher and make dumb statements and make videos on youtube and spread my dumbness around the world so i can become famous and rich
You got it right. LOL.... MY DH used to sing this song where the line was, "Here's a twenty and bring my change in dimes" back in the day when a phone call was a dime...every time he would sing, "Here's a penny and bring my change in dimes"...he just couldn;t get that out of his head. I don't think he ever got it right. LOL
".... I did it right." lol! I do that with piano. I'll keep playing something wrong over and over and finally I'll do it right, then I pause 'cause I wasn't expecting to do it right. xD
I love the show, even though it's on late at night where I live so I don't get to watch it much. You guys do an awesome job and clear up a lot of misconceptions about both Christianity and other religions.
haha.... funny... i like your videos. They help me witness to the unsaved... and then ones like these give me a good laugh... :) keep up the good work.
Ha ha. After botching it so many times, even right sounded wrong to him! I always wonder how many takes these natural-looking soliloquies REALLY take! :- ]
What God wants, God gets, God help us all.
axsimulate 2 months ago
@ForumLight Oooh, the old English makes it sound wise.
Khyrid 2 months ago
@jib1000 The point is: ANY origin belief cannot qualify as science as it would lack observations and test cases showing said beliefs in action. Beliefs about origin (of the univers, or of life, or of biological diversity of life) are just that: beliefs alone.
But fish to man evolutionists dishonestly call their beliefs science, which is where it becomes a lie.
ForumLight 2 months ago
@jib1000 You’re saying the basis for all science is assuming all matter/energy and logical laws of nature just happened to always exist? Because Stephan Hawking (considered one of the most brilliant minds around) believes absolutely nothing can give rise to an entire universe (which maligns science and shows yet again how illogical we get when we reject the obvious truth of God).
ForumLight 2 months ago
@jib1000 Hello Given the abundance of ingenious designs in nature that scientists and engineers fail to come close to mimicking, between “nothing created it all” or “all matter, energy and laws of nature just happened to be here for eternity” in a world of “there is no God” is illogical. But where did all those *ingenious designs* come from? The answer is by faith and most people’s faith is in the Almighty God.
ForumLight 2 months ago
Pray to get it right, i dunno might help
ModestConfidence 4 months ago
I'm sure Ray would be a nice guy if he wasn't running around calling people liars, thieves, adulterers, ect. It's too bad his religion is keeping him back.
dotmadhack 6 months ago
@dotmadhack No, it's nice of you to suggest that, but unfortunately I doubt it. He does not seem very bright at all and I find it hard to imagine having an interesting conversation with him - even if he wasn't religious
rapperscanttakeahint 6 months ago
Check out 01:00 ... that's Jesus walking back there by the cliff wall. I saw him, I saw him! Hallelujah!
ThamesOrIsis 7 months ago
I admire him for what he is trying to do. I dislike the fact that he doesn't recognize others' rights to their own religious beliefs,however,
friedie1jeff 7 months ago
ha ha banana man
SuperBeanson 9 months ago
im not a theist but surly God doesnt have to have seen other things to create cuz hes the big cheese as it where.
gletbuub7 11 months ago
Where or how did a powerful mind (god) get its first thought from if nothing existed? how can a mind operate before it had memory? How can you paint something if you have never seen anything? You can't have information stored in your memory before anything existed that truly makes no sense a computer can't operate with out a programmer to give it information so your "god" couldn't have been self created a artist needs to observe something before it can have an idea just FYI
wachnathan 11 months ago
@wachnathan Any theist who has a good argument against that please inlighten me ive been thinking about this for a long time and no one has ever given me a good argument against it.
wachnathan 11 months ago
"We can allow satellites, planets, suns, universe, nay whole systems of universes, to be governed by laws, but the smallest insect, we wish to be created at once by special act."
Charles Darwin
fishcontrol 11 months ago
@fishcontrol If you could think you would pray
cuzcatlan36 11 months ago
I know its a tricky word to pronounce
mattnashisgay 1 year ago
No no, I've become insulated. I don't worry.
HeartofAlabaster 1 year ago
@fishcontrol .. people always ask, "where was God in all these school shootings" well you took God out of schools and look what your left with. statistics and numbers speak ..
emandreg017 1 year ago
@emandreg017
WRONG. The constitution prohibits organized school prayer. a student can pray on his/her own provided they don't disrupt anyone but the school cannot organize prayer.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago
@NUTCASE71733 Where do you get that?
filoIII 1 year ago
@filoIII The first line of the first ammendment of the United states constitution. It states the government will not establish any religion as the official religion of this nation. Also no government agency will perform a religious practice. since public schools are run by government agencies, school-held prayer cannot be done as it is a violation of other peoples' rights to practice their respective faith, or in the case of athiests, lack of faith.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago
@NUTCASE71733 You probably think the phrase "separation of church and state" are actually in the Constitution. Guess what. It's not. The First Amendment prevents the federal gov't from creating a state run religion like the Church of England. The 1st places the shackels on the fed gov't. State and local gov'ts can do what they wish. You really are ignorant of the Constitution. Stick w/ me and you'll learn something, kid.
filoIII 1 year ago
@filoIII
I know the exact phrase isn't in there but it's implied. If school was allowed to do organized prayer, it would have to appeal to every religion and that wastes the time and money of the school which is better spent helping kids learn potentially nessesary skils they will need when they grow up. The school is ment for learning not indoctrination.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago
@NUTCASE71733 Would you like to take a guess at what one of the first books used in the schools of early america was? Take a stab at it. In the early life of the first colonies in the United States public education was provided for all children. An important yet little known fact about public school education in our country is that the primary purpose for establishing schools in America was to teach everyone to be able to read and understand the Holy Bible. Facts are a tricky thing, no?
filoIII 1 year ago
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filoIII 1 year ago
@filoIII
An individual may pray for whatever reason they choose, but it cannot be disruptive by any means. That means no "GOD SHALL CONDEMN EVOLUTIONISTS" or "ALLAH BE PRAISED" is allowed by any means, by anyone, anytime during school hours. A discussion of religion, as in a theology course, can be allowed as long as they don't preach the gospel.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago
@NUTCASE71733 " as they don't preach the gospel." HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good one! Tell us another funny. FYI, teachers have every right to teach creation in a science class.
filoIII 1 year ago
@filoIII
If teachers have a "right" to teach creation, then which creation story should they choose?
mcpencil 11 months ago
@mcpencil They have every right under the law to explain that not everyone believes in efoolution, that most believe it was created by a higher power, and can point out the VAST amount of inconsistencies in the dopey theory.
filoIII 11 months ago
@filoIII
so, fundamentalist preachers know more about science than scientists? about 99.9% of the scientific community in the relevant fields accepts evolution. There should be a lesson at school that exposes all of the bullshit in the bible, and talks about how it was really put together. Including the pagan origins of Old Testament Yahweh ;)
mcpencil 11 months ago
@mcpencil Me thinks you watched Zeitgeist a bit much. Depends on what you call science. 1Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.--Science is observable, testable, and repeatable. The dopey theory is none of those, thus, is not "science." Speaking of astonomy, if all of the planets & moons come from the same bit of spinning, exploding mass, why do some rotate in the opposite direction?
filoIII 11 months ago
@filoIII
sorry, none of my opinions are from zeitgest. Zeitgeists sources are questionable at best - people don't need zeitgeist to see how ridiculous the bible is. Methinks you have watched Kent Hovind too much :)
I don't think you can get around the fact that 99.9% of the relevant scientific community accepts evolution. Evolution is the backbone of biology - without it, there would be no such thing as modern biology, because using that model they have made useful predictions, advances, etc.
mcpencil 11 months ago
@mcpencil I repeat---Science is observable, testable, and repeatable. The dopey theory is none of those, thus, is not "science." Let the efoolution excuses begin.
filoIII 11 months ago
@filoIII
Do you realise that dogs are artificially selected wolves? bananas also underwent evolution by artificial human selection. Bananas as we know them today are completely the result of evolution via human-led selection pressures. You should be familiar with this, being a Ray comfort fan.
mcpencil 11 months ago
@mcpencil I'm familiar w/ what every 5 yr old knows--that a pet dog and a wolf are of the same kind of animal. They're dogs. Nothing special about that. That would be akin to micro-evolution. Natural selection is not macro-efoolution. There are different types of dogs, cats, cabbage, and bananas. No big deal. That's a FAAAAAAAR cry from a banana and a dog having a common ancestor, which you as an efoolutionist, believe in. BaaaHAHAHAHHAA! You'll never prove that "theory."
filoIII 11 months ago
@filoIII
99.99% of the scientific community accepts it. I win. All you have on your side is Kent Hovind, Ken Ham, Ray Comfort, and shockofgod. You lose.
mcpencil 11 months ago
@mcpencil Strange how you never respond to my statements cutting down efoolution. Go figure. Let's see what your beloved scientists have to say about your dopey theory, the fossil record, etc.
filoIII 11 months ago
@mcpencil "The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution." ---Stephen Jay Gould (Professor of Geology and Paleontology, Harvard University)
filoIII 11 months ago
@mcpencil "Contrary to what most scientists write, the fossil record does not support the Darwinian theory of evolution because it is this theory (there are several) which we use to interpret the fossil record. By doing so we are guilty of circular reasoning if we then say the fossil record supports this theory."
Ronald R. West, PhD (paleoecology and geology) (Assistant Professor of Paleobiology at Kansas State University)
filoIII 11 months ago
@mcpencil "The essence of Darwinism lies in a single phrase: natural selection is the creative force of evolutionary change. No one denies that natural selection will play a negative role in eliminating the unfit. Darwinian theories require that it create the fit as well."
Stephen Jay Gould--Gould is one of yours. I got more if you can hack it.
filoIII 11 months ago
@filoIII
that's cool, just Gould's opinion. Doesn't change the fact that 99.9999 +% of the relevant scientific community accepts evolution instead of creationism.
mcpencil 11 months ago
@mcpencil Oh, there's more. "When it comes to the origin of life on this earth, there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation. There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved 100 years ago, but that leads us only to one other conclusion: that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds; therefore, we choose to believe the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance." George Wald, 1967 Nobel Peace Prize winner in Science.
filoIII 11 months ago
@filoIII Efoolutionists know the dopey theory can't be true, but the alternative, a God that'll hold everyone accountable for their actions, is so unappealing you just try to ignore it and poo poo it away. Can't be done. You have a conscience. Con meaning with. Science meaning knowledge. We sin w/ knowledge what we're doing is wrong. You're no different. Good luck w/ your unproven theory. You'll need it. G'day.
filoIII 11 months ago
@filoIII
Ok, lets say that the entire scientific community is completely wrong about evolution (they're not). You state that the only alternative to that is a God that will hold us accountable. Which God? There have been thousands of Gods across cultures and timelines of human history, along with about as many different creation stories. All of the gods have different standards of accountability. What makes you think that the bible has a monopoly on the concept of god? (Hint: it doesn't.)
mcpencil 11 months ago
@mcpencil A Book w/ 100% accurate prophecy ought to tell you something-that's it's not of man. Do w/ it as you will.
filoIII 11 months ago
@filoIII
100% accurate prophecy - sure. You can interpret vague poetic prophecies any way you want in modern times. Only 1 Biblical "prophecy" has been fulfilled in modern times, and that is the re-creation of the state of Israel. The only reason it was fulfilled is because in both cases the Jews were very eager to get their "holy" land back. The Bible contains no real prophecy - whatever meaning you get out of it is created by the brains of desperate preachers trying to maintain relevance.
mcpencil 11 months ago
@mcpencil This isn't Nostradamus. There are hundreds of prophecies referring to Jesus alone. As long as you deny the Creator you will always discount them as being vague and made up. Regardless, your conscienece bears witness to the Truth.
thewayofthemaster 11 months ago
@thewayofthemaster
The prophecies should be clear and valid enough to speak for themselves, regardless of an individuals belief in the biblical god. You're saying that the prophecies are proof of yahweh... but in order for the prophecies to be believable, you have to already believe in yahweh (ie. "as long as you deny the creator you will always discount them"). Therefore a person who does not believe in biblical yahweh is not going to find the prophecies compelling at all. Circular reasoning.
mcpencil 11 months ago
@mcpencil Yes or no-Was there a real town named Sodom? Yes or no-Can one go there today and pull sulfer pellets out of the buildings and surrounding land area?
filoIII 11 months ago
@filoIII
sure, why not?
what has that got to do with fulfilling prophecies?
mcpencil 11 months ago
@mcpencil How do you think that happened?
filoIII 10 months ago
@filoIII
so? that's just one guy's opinion. By the way, evolution is not spontaneous generation. But the creation story of the bible pretty much describes spontaneous generation :) you just shot yourself in the face.
mcpencil 11 months ago
@mcpencil That wasn't my quote. That was one of your guys. BTW, There's basically no difference tween spont. gen & abiogenesis. You're not getting over on me. An efoolution supporting microbiology professor told me that as well.
filoIII 11 months ago
@emandreg017 ..Further proof that you god is not omnipotent. Humans can tell him what to do. lol
ChallengeOfFaith 1 year ago
@lagnaf007 No offense taken. All I know is that if I'm going to get down on my knees it's going to be for something real...not something imaginary. Peace.
davidls11 1 year ago
@davidls11 Word.
lagnaf007 1 year ago
@davidls11 Apparently I stand corrected. My apologies.
lagnaf007 1 year ago
@lagnaf007 Accepted.
davidls11 1 year ago
The fallacy is a god is required for good doing.
fishcontrol 1 year ago
@fishcontrol That has to be one of the best quote i've seen in a long time.
Davidbasque15 1 year ago
What is the hostility towards those who believe in Jesus? I am not sure why that is. I understand that some Christians are hypocrites and they are pushy...but I don't get the hatred of Christians. Do those who knock Christians intentionally choose to forget the good that is done in the name of Christ?
fletchdrebon 1 year ago
@fletchdrebon - because they are pushing into politics, education and are become the American Taliban. Watch "Jesus Camp" and you'll see these zelots trying to raise an army of brainwashed kids.
fishcontrol 1 year ago
@fishcontrol Jesus camp appears to be very disturbing I agree. But should I watch that documentary and then label a billion people as who I see in that documentary? I just think we should judge each person or Christian by how they behave individually or as a church. The same way we should judge everyone else. I know many Christians who do a lot of good for the homeless and those in need who do it undercover. Just seems to be a dislike lately in America...
fletchdrebon 1 year ago
@fletchdrebon Do you just sit by and watch someone abuse their defenseless children? Do you just sit by and watch your country slowly become the Taliban?
fishcontrol 1 year ago
@fishcontrol What if becauase I see a large amount of black people committing crimes and I then begin to persecute the entire black race? That is the logic you are using. Just judge each person according to what they do, not condemn a whole race or belief. Your points have validity but lack complete logic.
fletchdrebon 1 year ago
@fletchdrebon I think we are talking about evangelists here. These are extremists on the order of the Taliban.
fishcontrol 1 year ago
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@fletchdrebon - because they are pushing into politics, education and are become the American Taliban. Watch "Jesus Camp" and you'll see these zealots trying to raise an army of brainwashed kids.
fishcontrol 1 year ago
har har the drooler is having trouble with the word "insulated"
bartyfarslar 1 year ago
@bartyfarslar Maybe he should pray to his imaginary friend to help him speak properly
tauyupa 1 year ago
Have you tried eating a banana, Ray?
supermark420 1 year ago
@crabbit101
Hahahah good one :D
FreedomResistance 1 year ago
hahahahahah
JakeJNyc 1 year ago
ROFL y'all are mean!
5starsoldier 1 year ago
be careful with those 4 syllable words ray, tricky to put into sentences arnt they? moron
crendy 1 year ago
I like the part where he messed up his line
tjv323 1 year ago
It's easy to forget that Ray Comfort is probably a really nice guy that is a good husband, a good father, and a good friend. I think he honestly believes he is saving people from eternal damnation by preaching.
However, he certainly makes an ass of himself often and spreads a lot of falsehoods and misconceptions around.
logsdonj 1 year ago
@logsdonj That's a good point. If his belief system were true then a lot of the things he does would be justifiable. It's just that the belief system doesn't make sense.
However, you could argue that some of the things he's done (e.g. his intro to Origin of Species) are blatantly intellectually dishonest. Again, I feel that he honestly doesn't believe in evolution, but if he would simply apply logic he would see that the arguments he makes are irrelevant to the truth of the theory.
ArchRascal 1 year ago
@ArchRascal Yeah, he's definitely intellectually dishonest. He still sets up straw man arguments all the time. That means either (a) he knowingly deceives people or (b) he, despite having it explained to him many times, still doesn't even understand the theory he tries to dispute (which means he's an idiot). One of those two things has to be true.
logsdonj 1 year ago
@logsdonj A good father doesn't brainwash his kids.
fishcontrol 1 year ago
hah! Thats funny.
SocialMisfit9 1 year ago
Prayer is like Masterbation. It does nothing but make you feel good inside, it's awkward, and it definitely should not be done in public.
DaDoctaBoom 1 year ago
"I got it right" ...I liked this one.
veeunbound 1 year ago
I think "isolated" is what he's looking for....not "insulated"
JackieEaux 1 year ago
@fishcontrol Hey, it's America. We can pray or think wherever we want.
dogpacks 1 year ago
@Thatsthebadger1 ah i get you, but who are we to judge wether it was due to any sort of divine intervention. you could say the fact he was brought up to be christian through family or nation or whatever was divinely planned i guess.
regardless though hes still a follower of christ man, thats what matters
traceurswift 1 year ago
@traceurswift Well yeah you cud say that but if you did you wud hav to say it about everyone Christians,muslims,hindus,seeks etc. and that means all religions are "correct" and according to most religions that can't be. If he had been born in Pakistan he wud feel this way about Islam.
Thatsthebadger1 1 year ago
@Thatsthebadger1 i see your logic man but not necessarily, ive seen alot of videos or heard accounts of, more than any other religion infact, of muslims turning to christ. but i agree with you mostly
traceurswift 1 year ago
@traceurswift I see wat you mean you can't generalise with everyone because the world is all about chance and uncertain i suppose.
I actually think religion was set out with the best intentions by some wise people but only for there time, all the civilisations/empires got on all right before the abrahamic religions, they built massive cities, conquered much of the world, gave us basic maths and science etc.......
Thatsthebadger1 1 year ago
The muslim world is lets be honest much less developed than the west, I bet it shakes there faith that their religion is meant to be the one true faith yet their countries and lives are not as good as people in the west or far east. Religion Holds them back. Christianity in the west held us back during the DARK ages but in the west we pioniered democracy and christianity changed with it.
Thatsthebadger1 1 year ago
@Thatsthebadger1 Apparently you don't realize it was catholicism that committed the atrocities during the Dark Ages. Not Christians. The catholic cult of the dead woman murdered 50 MILLION Christians during that time. See the difference.
filoIII 11 months ago
In times past the Bible was taken literally but now the Church protestant and catholic say that the bad pasrts of the Bible are not to be taken seriously and are ment to be metaphorical because they don't fit our modern society. They pick and choose to find parts to fit with our world, first the bible was 100% now its not..it's either right or wrong you can't pick and choose parts of it. You can't do the same with a maths book.
Thatsthebadger1 1 year ago 6
@Thatsthebadger1 Um... I don't think any True Christian would do that...
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@Thatsthebadger1
I wasn't brought up a christian, but nevertheless i am today. Or are you trying to say you arent a real christian if you were brought up in a christian home?
traceurswift 1 year ago
@traceurswift Wat I'm saying is that if your born in America,australia, england,Italy or Ireland you probably gunna be brought up to be christian whereas if you wer brought up in India you would probably be a Hindu, if your brought up in Iraq you probably guna be a Muslim, Israel you'll be jewish... your born into wat ever religion your parents/country are/is. This guys a christian creationist by geographical chance not because of some divine meddling.
Thatsthebadger1 1 year ago
@traceurswift Define "christian" - seems these days some people define it rather narrowly.
fishcontrol 1 year ago
@fishcontrol FSM be praised!!!
millsy4321 1 year ago
@fishcontrol lol gotta remember that one
Darnulin 1 year ago
you = win
best comment all day XD
Vostro2510 1 year ago
Only sheep need a Shepherd.
IsupremeI 2 years ago 25
Well, the problem is, either you are a sheep or a goat. A sheep does have his Shephard which leads his sheep to greener pastures, while a goat, wandering around eating garbage doesn't.
CiscoWes 1 year ago
@IsupremeI and the sheep who don't realize they're sheep, ignore the shepherd and gets eaten by wolves.
Anidominus 10 months ago
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses..."
(Albert Einstein)
STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 2 years ago
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." -Albert Einstein
STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 2 years ago 3
He's such a uneducated fool! And a absolute clown!
By working in the cirkus he will make even more money!
AnimalSupremacy 2 years ago 5
a lot of atheist comments ! :) we're getting bigger every day :)
I ♥ it
EspacioAteo 2 years ago
@EspacioAteo Hopefully we are.
G11EM2 1 year ago
Oh crap, hold on, a wayofthemaster video with comments allowed
err.. gotta think of something quick before they remember and disable the comments on this one too.
uh... um, Ray! When constructing your argument against evolution why did you ask normal people and not the scientists that study it...
when thunderfoot asked you where right and wrong came from you said the bible, and then he asked what if pedophilia was allowed by god and you said "God wouldn't do that" are you aware what you did?
LanceDirk 2 years ago 7
pfff so fake...
ginNtonic777 2 years ago
Why doesn't an all powerful God just destroy the devil? Surely God can do anything he wants can't he Ray? Why did God bother to create a sun to provide the earth with heat and light? Surely he could just have clicked his fingers and heat and light could rain down on earth from the Heavens...Also God could put this whole debate over his existance to rest at any point by simply appearing before us, but strangely he doesn't.
STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 2 years ago 5
Hey yeah. And if god is all knowing, why did he create the devil in the first place? Wouldn't he know what he would do?
And why would god create people who don't believe in him. I mean he must obviously already know if this person is going to heaven or not, right? So what the hells the point of the foreplay if he knows the outcome of everything. And he must know and also be responsible for every outcome of every situation. Am i right?
I thought god's suppose to be omniscient and omnipotent.
Hefotos 2 years ago 3
yeah... why if hes god is so wise and powerful could chose such an idiot as hes representative? if hes one of the "best" defenders of creationism... well yeah that says a lot about the other ones.
juguetemalo 2 years ago 5
You know it's sad when the outtakes are less pathetic than the actual thing...
FaerieStories 2 years ago 7
The sad think is that this clown is considered to be one of the leading intellectualls among the creationists. That tells volumes about the sheeps.
greyman000 2 years ago 7
i think im gonna become a dumb preacher and make dumb statements and make videos on youtube and spread my dumbness around the world so i can become famous and rich
hovsec 2 years ago
Ray only does this for money its all money
piatdor 2 years ago
this guy and kirk cameroon are a joke. It should be illegal to be as stupid as those two.
doncorleon818 2 years ago 5
hahahaha for real
hovsec 2 years ago
lol, Ray keep trying. Keep up the good fight!
jacquigui 2 years ago
What a fool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ManOnTheMoon09 2 years ago
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You got it right Ray, God bless
amlach1 2 years ago
You got it right. LOL.... MY DH used to sing this song where the line was, "Here's a twenty and bring my change in dimes" back in the day when a phone call was a dime...every time he would sing, "Here's a penny and bring my change in dimes"...he just couldn;t get that out of his head. I don't think he ever got it right. LOL
evegpt 2 years ago
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This would be what we atheists like to call a "Freudian slip."
Yes, many of you Christians have become insulated from truth.
andreimr 2 years ago 22
@andreimr
Why was your comment marked as spam!
(Sorry this is 8 months old)
SuperGinger94 2 years ago
".... I did it right." lol! I do that with piano. I'll keep playing something wrong over and over and finally I'll do it right, then I pause 'cause I wasn't expecting to do it right. xD
I love the show, even though it's on late at night where I live so I don't get to watch it much. You guys do an awesome job and clear up a lot of misconceptions about both Christianity and other religions.
shadowcat228 2 years ago 3
LOL Ray!
angeljenny55 2 years ago 3
lol
kylemorne100 2 years ago 3
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FAIL, love Ray tho lol he's awesome
1989dman 2 years ago
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Rock On Ray! LOL
tussponutube 2 years ago
he he he he
thecountrycowboy 2 years ago
Haha that was awesome...i loved the pause at the end, "I got it right..?" lol
EZEEKEEL 2 years ago
LOL
thepresident022 2 years ago
Never before seen footage? You only have 1 routine, Ray! How you've managed to milk one routine for 3 whole seasons is beyond me.
mjr256 2 years ago
I am so used to people cussing during outtakes, I felt myself tensing in preparation for this one... Kinda makes me sad about society.
glistergirl 2 years ago 2
haha
dino01 2 years ago 2
Lol Ray =D
CutintheHeart 2 years ago 3
hahaha
gweems828 2 years ago 2
I like that last part, "I got it right," I suppose he didn't expect to, hehe. :P
bondservant4jesus 2 years ago 4
LOL. You're doing a great job Ray. Keep it up. =)
GraceAlone71 2 years ago
HAHAHA this made me have over and over and over again.
estherfunny 2 years ago
hahahaha....good one Rayray!
WORRO01 2 years ago 3
LOL
"I got it right!"
I just Love that Ray, whatta cool cat he is!
78sEVEn78 2 years ago 5
haha funny. I agree.
havock89 2 years ago 3
Just goes to show us that all humans are imperfect.
CrusadertheCat 2 years ago
haha.... funny... i like your videos. They help me witness to the unsaved... and then ones like these give me a good laugh... :) keep up the good work.
cadborasaurus 2 years ago 2
give him credit for perservering!!
pianohbc 2 years ago 3
I just love brother Ray.
mdkbdshan 2 years ago 3
lol love it
theatheistguy 2 years ago 2
haha! "i got it right" after 1000 tryes
RageicaNiels 2 years ago
LOL Ray. God bless.
thatonepath 2 years ago 3
Ha ha. After botching it so many times, even right sounded wrong to him! I always wonder how many takes these natural-looking soliloquies REALLY take! :- ]
GlorifiedTruth 2 years ago 2