This guy Ace is an idiot. Maybe Ace if you didn't spend your time analyzing severely compressed and degraded video you might be able to see the plane!!!.
I have seen high quality video uncompressed and even with that the plane is difficult to spot in the sky when it is at distance. There is always a little bit of atmospheric haze that tends to blend the plane to the sky. It only looms much more to the foreground.
Steve Wright was actually a little too kind in granting Baker his 'maths'.
I actually took this video and plotted the planes movements (in After Effects) across the frame - extracting the zoom - and (surprisingly and counterintuitively) the plane would not have been seen in the wide shot at all.
@nobraintheory Holy Shit! What a total doucher Ace is. I wondered why he was so familiar with Weicke in his posts to me. It figures. Only a troubled soul would actually do that.
@nobraintheory Actually: It really comes as no suprise, that this happened, as twoofs are often prone to making many accounts, partially to make their movement, seem larger than it is. But also, for more ridiculous reasons, like trying to support their statements in a debate, much in the way he did here.
@CaptMandrake360 - Yep, he would leave comments on his ColinAlexander page saying things like, "Ace, thank you so much for your research! Your DVD is genius, I'm sending your money for copies for my whole family."
It's pathetic, and only the least intelligent of all the population would ever fall for what he says. His 'LegPains' account has been much more subdued, aside from his affinity for fat girl videos. Creepy.
@nobraintheory HaHaHaHa! I remember he has a thing for fat girls. That was all around the grapevine for months! He's a real paychotic. I was honestly not even aware of who Ron Weicke even was, were it not for this video. He seemed so aquainted with him, that it caught my eye. I just wrote it off as another kook, saying kook things. LOL!!!
@CaptMandrake360 - Ace's LegPains account was shut down, no doubt for his constant spamming and harassing young girls. Let me know if you see any new ones. Cheers!
@CaptMandrake360 - I've been chatting with him, a few people say it's Ace but I can't tell. If it is him, he manages to hide the fat chick thing and not constantly spam his own videos. But he does avoid that with his ColinAlexander account, so I guess it's possible.
@nobrain I was on that video for a couple of weeks & finally, jazzfan said so. jazzfan is a musician just like he is and seems to have some inside knowledge about him and his reputation for screwing up every gig he gets and so on. Once that jazzfan exposed it, musicmaker backed way off as though the cat was out of the bag. The same faulty logic ace demonstrates here, is the same as MM. I think it is him. I will have to go check is ColinAlexander account. This is the first I am hearing about it.
@CaptMandrake360 - Interesting. CollinAlexander is his 'official' account, he was going to put out a video for a while and he did a couple of songs. Theory of Ghostplane is one of the dumb videos he made. He'll probably come up with another disposable account to be belligerent.
@CaptMandrake360 - Well that didn't take long. Ace's new fake account is @romneyPHONEY. Same fat girl fetish, same WATCH THEORY OF GHOSTPLANE spam, same liferegenerator friendship, same constant political antagonism. Only a matter of time till his love of underage fat girls gets him banned again.
@CaptMandrake360 - Update on AceWatch2011, Ace has YET AGAIN been banned, no doubt for constant spam and stalking. I will update when I figure out what his new account is.
The plane is not bound by the friction of rolling on the ground. It has the aerodynamic principles of the airfoil assisting it through the air. Though it is not safe to fly at those speeds, at those altitudes: it is not impossible.
you Obviously know NOTHING about aviation and have no idea what you are talking about, you are wrong, factually incorrect, its that simple and its confirmed by Boeing employee Interviews on the videos
@LifeRegenRevolution Like I said: The theories that you have advanced, are self defeating. You (like an ignorant uninformed dolt) keep talking about ground effect. Ground effect, only provides nominal resistence at best. I have 30 hours logged in genreal aviation aircraft and have more authority to weigh in on aviation than you probably do. By your premise, a plane would never manage to get airborne in the 1st place. All your propoganda films are meaningless.
The problem that you are infering , [weather you are aware of it or not] is that what you are saying, is that the resistence you think is provided by the lower denser air, would basically quantise as the speed increases. As the speed increases, so too would the resistence available. The problem here, is that the thrust of the plane, assists the plane through this.
Ploitical positions, are irrelevent. The ar analogy, is not applicible, nor, is it in the same scientific arena, as the forces in operation with an airfoil. The plane, has the ability to climb, and achieve altitude [as you pointed out, the thinner air] The plane has the ability to maneuver in all three axis of movement.
The problem with this, is that there [according to the science you are presenting] would be continuous INCREASING resistence on the plane, preventing it, from ever reaching cruising altitude at all.This is a gaping hole in your little "the plane is not capable of that" argument.
No, the more accurate analogy to use is a Car . If we take a Ferrari with a top speed of 170 mph, we Obviously need a level resistance to achieve this, Meaning level ground or downhill. If the most a Ferrari can reach is 170 mph on Level ground, than its Impossible for the same car to achieve that same speed going up a steep hill due to the obvious massive physical increase in resistance the car is against.
This has NOthing to do with this subject, but i can guarantee that you also believe the Moon Landings were real too ? its about the approach we take on issues. For instance i was ALWAYS skeptical about 911, long before there was any Truth movement. i can guarantee you Believed every word of the govt story immediately and never ? it.
Which is fine, im not saying thats wrong, but you and i approach information differently
So what other LIES do you spread? No moon landings, 911 twoof, .........let me geuss? JFK was killed EXACTLY like Oliver Stone says, right? And don't forget chemtrails!!!!
The psychology behind this is quite interesting and revealing, because i always wondered what Ace's beliefs on the Moon Landings were. I always figured if i had to guess that he definitely did Not believe in them being real, but i had no idea since he never mentioned it. Then just last week he put a video up here saying he thought they were fake, just as i assumed hed think and as i think also. Like Minds think in similar patterns
Also as far as Politics, im not a democrat or Republican, im a member of the Constitution party. Turns out Ace's political views are also just as Unconventional and original as his views on 911. I also noticed those who believe the Govt. story of 911 have very conventional basic views on Politics, in other words, they simply vote Democrat and Republican every election and never break out of that intellectually Stale box
I also noticed those who believe 911 twoofers LIES have absolutely no science based education. In other words, 911 twoofers are uneducated gullible morons and need to retake 5th grade science.
The comparison of the car, is so off the reservation on this, it is laughable. The density of the air, provides fricion over the airfoil. However, it doesn't mean that the plane can't reach the indicated speeds. They are required to reach these speeds, and the ability to evade obstructions, from off the assembly line. If an aircraft is capable of reaching a given speed, than it has to be able to demonstrate certain collision avoidance at those speeds.
Your analysis of Air craft speed demonstrates a total Lack of even the most basic fundamental Common sense, logic and completely contradicts the words of Boeing Engineers and spokes people.
Air density provides RESISTANCE, the more resistance the slower the speed, the less resistance and ? once you more you stand corrected and its a shame on an intellectual level i have to treat you like a baby, and speak to you as if you have NO ability to think logically in any degree, its just Pathetic
@ctcole77 - LifeRegenRevolution is Ace Baker's clone account that he uses to compliment his own videos and whatnot. He a highschool dropout that hangs out on youtube working different scams and hitting on underage girls. I hate this guy, and he's dumb as shit. The account has since been shut down. Let me know if you figure out the next one he creates.
id be more than happy to speak on a stage or TV show against you and any other Plane believing Moron about 911, and i can guarantee you pal i would clean your clock and embarrass ya
you honestly have NO idea what you are talking about, you Guys are so clueless, naive, and illogical about 911 and how to analyze information before you, its downright scary
Hey man no hard feelings, sorry to be rude, im just sick and tired of you guys being so illogical and gullible, it gets tiring answering the same lame ?s you bring up
im amazed how anyone can actually believe the official story
No offense taken bro. I am just amazed that someone talks of logic, but repeatedly bases their arguments on factless hypothesis, and the fact that they hate the guy in the vid.
thanks man, theres no sense in us Hating each other just because we view the world differently. Lets just be honest we all have our egos and pride in all of this and there are times on Both sides where it just goes too far and we all get carried away with it all. This non stop arguing back and forth is insane to be honest, but its how it is sadly. The personal insults, the hatred from both sides on here about his issue is beyond Crazy
"his whole demeanor and way he presents himself in this video is very Unprofessional and degrading , and quite classless"
ROFL! And I suppose it's "professionsal" to make up LIES about 911 just because you have nothing better to do? I suppose it's "professionsal" to spread baseless "no planes" LIES while denying expert testimony.
i dont hate Wieck, ive never met the man and he could be the nicest guy in the world for all i know when hes not doing his TV show . But his whole demeanor and way he presents himself in this video is very Unprofessional and degrading , and quite classless.
@LifeRegenRevolution Also: you are posturing on the idea, that an airfoil, doesn't function at lower altitudes. This is beyond ignorant for a number of reasons: Not the least of which, is that it assumes [essentially] that the plane can't function at all at lower altitudes. If what you are postulating was actually true, then one has to answer: how do planes get airborn in the first place. Obviously you would come back with the rebuttal, that they are not at cruising speed at take off.
Again: You are the one, that is actually posturing on the laughable idea, that the plane moving at 50 mph, somehow, cannot penetrate glass! That is beyond ridiculous.
In the case of Shanksville, the plane was able to dispurse outwardly, unfettered. There is a great contrast, between what happens to a plane, post impact with a building, and in an open field.
Fact remains: There were two planes that crashed into the WTC Twin Towers, plus one that struck the Pentagon, and one more that crashed into a field in Pennsylvania!
nowhere near as ' desperate ' as to actually believe that the most multi faceted , intricate complex event in American history was due to nothing more than 19 wacky Arab video game nerds waving Rusty Box cutters ! its an insult to my intelligence, character as an American. The official story is asinine, absurd and ridiculous , full of massive gaping holes, inconsistencies and downright unbelievable bizarre so called ' coincidences
The funny thing, is that the official story never changes. The positinal viewpoints of trughers, are a never ending evolution of stupidity. The no plane theory--over-all, is an insult to anyones intelligence. There is no way that anyone is going to tell me, based on some drugged out freaks INTERPERETATION that there were no planes. Or any of the other laughable DIVERGING thoeries that you kooks adhere to.
i considered and heard both sides, and i watched the Plane videos and i used my own common sense, Logic, intelligence and objective analysis and am convinced that NO planes were used.
The videos are definitely fake as they depict a hollow Fragile Aluminum Plane going through a Steel Bldg as if it were cardboard. The best expose of this on here is definitely the video
@LifeRegenRevolution Sure, because a steel building, is completely immune to damage. Not like when they designed the buildings, they were designed to withstand jet impacts or anything, right? Then there is the fact, that the outter grid, is made largely of aluminum window frames, and the glass contained within the frames. Naw...You're right! There is no way that a 100 ton object travelling at 500 mph, can penetrate glass...What was I thinking? Give me a break!
NOPE i never said a steel bldg is ' immune ' to damage. Actually yes the bldgs absolutely were designed to withstand Jet Impacts thats factually on record by the designers and engineers stating so. The outer grid is made largely of Huge massive interwoven Solid STEEL bleams. Its obvious you've never watched any of the Original videos that were filming the construction of them
If you are talking about the steel mesh, being immune to penetration by an airliner, than you are sadly meistaken also. I know you are saying two things at once actually. You are saying that there were no planes, and saying that it is not possible for a plane to penetrate. This is not what the designers are saying. They are saying that their designs, are able to absorb, not resist.
Nope i NEVER used the word ' immune' , once more please follow what im saying and quote me correctly. and NOPE i never said it was ' impossible' for a plane to Penetrate a bldg. However and this is a MASSIVE distinction and important, what i am saying is the planes could never have gone through the bldg in the dramatic unrealistic MANNER depicted in the videos.
That is where you are wrong. The buildings were designed with that very scenario in mind. They weren't designed to RESIST an impact, they were designed to ABSORB an impact.
well according to the Plane videos the bldgs did Neither as they were portrayed as if they were styrafoam , which is totally unrealistic. You guys claim the reason No large pieces of debri were found with Flight 93 is due to the planes being so fragile, yet you totally reverse your thinking with the wtc Planes, and you dont find that illogical ?
@LifeRegenRevolution How did I reverse my logic? The crash in Shanksville, and collision with the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, all left little debris. What you are refusiuing to understand, is that at the moment of impact, the plane was still intact. Once the impact took place, the plane loses it's ability to retain shape. Bulkheads come undone, and the plane basically turns into a fluid mass. [Twin Towers nad Pentagon] .
How can the same plane be so Fragile as to break apart in so many tiny Pieces in Shanksville, yet be so durable and strong to go through the wtc steel as if it were Paper ?
Why are you purposing to overlook the fact, that in both cases: the WTC and in Shanksville,they all broke into "tiny" pieces? Again: In the case of the WTC, the outter grid was made of mostly glass! There is no way, that glass is going to resist the impact of a 100 ton jetliner moving at 500 mph.
Moron, If the plane was that fragile to immediately upon impact break up into a million bite size tiny Pieces in Shanksville , it could have never been so durable and Dense to have gone through the solid dense STEEL beam grid of the outer wtc as if it were cardboard. YES the outer grid has glass windows, but you forgot to mention the Steel dummy ! Or did you intentionally leave it out as to not get intellectually dominated on this topic
by the way these planes CANNOT do 500 mph at such extremely low altitudes, they need whats termed ' cruising speed ' to achieve such speed which is over 20,000 feet. This is factually confirmed by Boeing engineers and employees on Jeff Hills video
100% False! ALL jetliners, CAN reach ALL speeds, at any altitude. The difference being; that they cannot do it SAFELY at lower altitudes, as there can be some structural damage to the airframe. But, in the case of 9/11, no one was interested in safety.
NOPE, they cannot ! Being that the air in our Atmosphere is MUCH thinner and less dense up very high, and at low altitude the air being very molecularly dense creates huge Resistance for ALL planes. Its like saying a car can reach the SAME speed going up very steep hills as it can down hill or level ground. its the utmost common sense and based on pure provable logic of Physics
Let me in there to debate that Lightweight condescending buffoon Ronny boy Wiecke, on a purely intellectual level about 911, ill Crush him and make a fool out of him. Let me at him !
As Boeing engineers have confirmed and as any Pilot knows, Pushing a Plane at those low altitudes full speed would result in the Resonant Frequencies and such violent shaking due to the Resistance of the Air Molecular density, that parts of the Plane would be breaking off LONG before it even hit the tower .
i am intellectually dominating you pal , you cant seem to win any Matches here at all, you are gettin OWNED big time : )
This is why it is not wise to only listen only to what truther video's say. I have never seen any debunker vid portray the buildings as styrafoam. AS I said before: The buidings, weren't designed to RESIST the impact of a plane, but rather to ABSORB.
Passgr. Planes cant reach 500 mph at such low altitudes , to reach 500 miles per hour, they need to be at whats called ' cruising altitude' which is over 20,000 feet where the Air is much thinner and provides alot less resistance. Once more, you stand Corrected
Actually: The whole ground effect thing, is a joke as well. Planes, have to be able to demonstrate the ability to avoid collisions, and be able to move quickly to do so, at any altitude. Once again, you fail.
NO planes CANNOT reach top speed at any altitude, that is a false statement, Wind Resistance is a Major factor and the air is ALOT thinner and molecularly less dense over 20,000 feet. What you are saying is illogical and irrational, if the planes could reach 500 mph at 1,000 feet than they should be able to reach 900 mph at 30,000 feet, and we know they cant. Your thinking is totally flawed
i disagree, i think the most Unrealistic scenario is that this was due to Nothing more than 19 Loony Arab Video game Nerds waving rusted Box cutters. That ' story ' is a total farce and a Hoax and you bought it
It goes without saying; that there are no video's of witnesses saying; that "there were no planes" used that day. Why is it, that there are numerous home video's of the second plane hitting? If there were no planes used in the attack that day, why do people recall seeing a plane, but say that it was actually a military plane?
Actually: All the doctor'd vids in the world, don't prove anything. Sure anyone can take video footage, and remove images from it. What's new about that?
What's insulting, is you telling the families, that they didn't lose any of their loved ones that day! You call it thinking out of the box. This is precisely why it is such a failure. This isn't a question of intelect. It is a question of compassion for the people that died that day.
NO Planes hit the wtc, but that doesnt equate that No planes possibly took off that day. Huge distinction. Once more, if you are going to quote me or assume something i believe, please check 1st and make sure you are accurate.
Oh...don't worry, I KNOW i'm accurate. The two planes that hit the WTC Twin Towers, that day, were being tracked by several ATC personell, and there were a few phone calls made from those planes as well. The phones that were fixed to the headrests, were a real help, in identifying what happened that day.
Well yes thats what we were told is that ATC tracked them. that may or may not be factually correct as you and i were not there to verify it. Im simply going by what i was shown the Video and all surrounding evidence.
This is where you and I differ. I don't buy conjecture. I don't take wild unfounded allegations, as evidence. I don't even believe, that me having questions, means that there actually is a vaccum there. It just means that I don't know everything about the situation. I actually listen to what the personell that were there that day have to say. And according to you, there needs not be any credentials, anyways! Just how you view the world.
Also in reference to your other comment about the "video game playing arab nreds" comment: you absolutely said that this was not possible, due to what you called a muti trillion dollar, multi faceted defense system.
This was actually NOT set up to deter hijacked airliners, but actual military threats. This is the kind of blanket assumptions that you are making, and it is most ignorant.
LifeRegenRevolution, has basically failed in proving his point. And he dismisses the credentials required to make any of the claims he is making into fact. In short; his is totally against his claims being made legitimate. He actually wants them to remain fantasy, and never be verified. This seems to be a common denominator amongst truthers. They seem to be very against validating anything they say. life is against the 1,000 A&E in his movement, that want a second look into 9/11!
You havent proved anything, and Credentials arent required from determining truth from error. Back in the 19th Century Medical Doctors with Credentials, used to administer the Treatment of Bleeding paitents to cure disease because they thought that ALL disease was the result of bad blood and if they only let enough blood out the paitent would be cured.
Obviously it was a false premise and lead to many un necessary deaths
I have more than proved my position. You are the one, that is not substantiating anyhting that you are claiming. The only thing you have done today, is cry about Weick. That's it!
On top of which, doctors according to you, are not qualified to practice medicine, and no one should believe anything a docotor says, based soley on the fact, that it is possible that something might go wrong. Everything is a gamble.
This is not really a matter of intelect. This is rather a matter of politics. The truth movement, having actually been founded by the media, is simply carrying the torch.
The reality, is that the facts, in an investigation, are not all nice and neat, for the investigators to simply uncover. The real world doesn't operate in this way.
How does vids, and people posting equal anything? Talk about lacking thinking skills. How many of those posts, are replies, and how many of them are actually favorable to the no plane theroy?
Since when does YouTube vids really equal anything either? Oh that's right, without YouTube, there would be no no-plane movement!
Also in the ' real world' 19 whacko Arab video game nerds with Rusted box cutters dont out fox and outsmart and totally defeat the worlds most intricate and sophisticated trillion dollar air defense system.
wake up , with all due respect you sound utterly clueless , ignorant and very Naive
Weick, can act as unprofessionally as he wants to; I just have yet to see anywhere in this interview, where he actually does.
Just because he calls Ace out on all his wannabe grandstanging non-sense, doesn't mean that Weick acted unproffessionally, it just means that Ace is incapable, and lacks the requisite credentials to positively assert anything, and Weick knows this. The very fact that Ace was even on his show, speaks volumes as to the professionalism of Weick! Ace simply failed.
Of course you wouldnt and didnt, you love Wieck and agree with his own biased subjective opinion completely.
so then why would you dare say anything the least bit critical of him or anyone else ' on your side' ?
You are here as an advocate to try to persuade as many people as possible that the Official story is 100 percent accurate and lines up with pinpoint precision and is completely accurate on every minute detail.
"im not part of any ' movement' nor do i belong to any Groups. i am only responsible for myself , no one else."
Typical cop-out from a guy who is on the losing side of an argument.
Oh...By the way: I am incapable of transforming the opinions of anyone, you give me WAY too much credit here. This is the interenet age, and people make up their own minds.
I hate Obama personally, I didn't vote for him. Credentials are of paramount importance. Since people rely on the words of experts.
A person wouldn't take their car to a seamstress, for an oil change.
You seem to posess a special brand of arrogance, where you actually think that you know what people are thinking, and that eveyone actually buys your movements crap.
i dont ' rely' on anything Other than common Sense, logic, and clear objective intelligent thought from an Analytical mind thats open to all possibilities
and those who demonstrate those same characteristics. Credentials dont determine who does and who does Not have those characteristics.
In fact , many times ' credentials' get in the way of thinking Objectively and clearly. Thats true obviously in Politics, and 911.
People don't buy conjecture, and wild un-founded allogations, don't serve as evidence.
Just someone says that they have questions, doesn't mean that they are right on a subject, nor does it mean that there actually is a vacuum in a finding.
It just means that all the physics that you "learned" in grammar school, and high school, didn't really sink in.
Without credentials, there is no veracity to anything that anyone says. You like this, because it allows for...
I would have a better time believing that 19 guys attacked unarmed pilots, and air crews, rather than the govt. set up an attack, within only 7 months of being in office.
If John Dillinger, can breakout of prison, with only a peice of wood, painted and shaped like a gun, and in the process, lock up 10 ARMED police officers, than 19 guys with knives vs. a handfull of unarmed pilots is VERY concieveble.
I would have a better time believing that 19 guys attacked unarmed pilots, and air crews, rather than the govt. set up an attack, within only 7 months of being in office.
If John Dillinger, can breakout of prison, with only a peice of wood, painted and shaped like a gun, and in the process, lock up 10 ARMED police officers, than 19 guys with knives vs. a handfull of unarmed pilots is VERY concieveble.
I would have a better time believing that 19 guys attacked unarmed pilots, and air crews, rather than the govt. set up an attack, within only 7 months of being in office.
If John Dillinger, can breakout of prison, with only a peice of wood, painted and shaped like a gun, and in the process, lock up 10 ARMED police officers, than 19 guys with knives vs. a handfull of unarmed pilots is VERY concieveble.
No, but if a Car Mechanic who has ' credentials' tells me that the reason my car is running badly is due to the fact that the Window Washer fluid is low
than i know im being Lied to and mislead by a man who has ' credentials'
Happens all the time in every area of Life. Your obvious problem is you cant think for yourself and have No objectivity so you Require those with ' credentials' to decide who is right for you.
I'm just waiting for LifeRegenRevolution, to provide proof of his retarded claims! Since there were many witnesses, that say that they saw planes impact the buildings!
Also: saying that the host of the show is arrogant, is a bit on the childish side. This in and of itself, doesn't mean that he is wrong. Nor do I agree that he even is!
No one buys conjecture, and wild-- un-founded allegations, don't serve as evidence. Saying [as truthers often do] that you have questions, doesn't mean that there is an actual vacuum in any of the findings of that day.
It just means that the physics that you "learned" in grade school, and high-school, never really sunk in.
Plenty of evidence to support the FACT that a large aircraft hit the building. The only evidence that supports the idea of a halogram or a missile is psuedo science and your lack of understanding of REAL science.
Wrong. Ace simply didn't prove any of the retarded claims he made in this interview, and Weick, asked legitimate questions, and if he is a supporter of the official findings of that day, so what? It is up to Ace to prove his case, seeing as how he is going on this supposedly biased show. He didn't even come close.
Ace, has yet to provide image enhancement of the video he attempts to use, and has to explain away [adequately] the numerous home videos with planes.
Ace, was incapable of intelligibly answering any of the questions posed by Ron Weick! he just sat there like a deere in the headlights, and just repeated the same retarded chant.
The whole laughable idea, that the "NWO" used hologram's by way of the media, is laughable! It is incerdibly disresepctful to the familes that lost their loved ones in the planes that day. This matters l ittle to a worthless degenerate, like LifeRegenRevolution here, but it needs to be mentioned from time to time. As often happens; this reality gets lost in the 9/11 shuffle!
@GGcaptmandrake Ever heard of the Allegory of the Cave by Plato? I believe Plato would say liferegenrevolution is stuck in the cave watching shadows thinking they are real.
@GGcaptmandrake Whole truth movement is like that. Simply a bunch of idiots that "think" that is how it should be instead of examining the physics, and then instead of presenting it that way they try to present it as "fact".
Self proclaimed experts that know little or nothing about the physics behind it. As if that wasn't criminal enough they completely butcher the scientific method by creating a conclusion and then attempting to force the evidence to support it.
So true! A case in point, is when they say that the hole at the Pentagon was too small. They claim that there is no way for the plane to fit in the hole. Which actually is a lie, since the diameter of the hole is perfectly sized for a 757b impat. But the implication seems to be; that they created the hole 1st, and then tried to ram a missile in there...or some twisted fantasy. It's too stupid! They can't see the forrest for the trees.
@GGcaptmandrake Or the "9 second free fall" time of the collapse of the world trade centers when clearly the Naudet brothers footage shows otherwise.
If it was 9 seconds them and all those firefighters shown running in the footage would have been dead.
Not to mention actually at the 9 second mark after the start of the collapse can be heard, daylight is still clearly the dominate form of light within the video. It isn't blocked out or darkened at all even at the 9 second mark.
Yes! True! But see; the problem here, is that you are applying critical thinking skills, a concept foreign to truthers. They lack the ability to actually critique what they think, before they post it.
Then, there is the documanted fact, that these guys were mostly COMMERCIALLY rated which means that they had something like 250 hours MINIMUM of flight experience before ever setting foot in the cockpit that day. ALso; they didn't have to demonstrate skills, in the three most difficult phases of flight! If John Dillinger, can break outof prison, with a peice of wood, painted and shaped like a gun, then 19 guys with knives, can hijack four planes!
Truthers are retards.... and no-planers are the most retarded of the lot. Go get some help. You're mentally ill.
terrymanning1 2 months ago
This guy Ace is an idiot. Maybe Ace if you didn't spend your time analyzing severely compressed and degraded video you might be able to see the plane!!!.
I have seen high quality video uncompressed and even with that the plane is difficult to spot in the sky when it is at distance. There is always a little bit of atmospheric haze that tends to blend the plane to the sky. It only looms much more to the foreground.
roquefortfiles 2 months ago
Ace Baker . . . jeez, what an idiot.
Steve Wright was actually a little too kind in granting Baker his 'maths'.
I actually took this video and plotted the planes movements (in After Effects) across the frame - extracting the zoom - and (surprisingly and counterintuitively) the plane would not have been seen in the wide shot at all.
smallblueclouds 6 months ago
@RomneyPHONY all that evidence is trash, ur a lunatic
kushsmokkeralt 8 months ago
@marinaauto no aces theory is weak, thats why hes broke and nobody knows him, and the hollywood expert hs 20 years of experince!! EPIC FAIL FOR U
kushsmokkeralt 8 months ago
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@IMPAQT your such a retard go to hell and burn you son of a bitch!
kushsmokkeralt 8 months ago
this jackass has credentials?? a rock band?? Melrose Place?? Maybe Jack Wagner can tell us who was on the grassy knoll!!!
mherrenschmidt 1 year ago
@IMPAQT You're an idiot.
terrymanning1 1 year ago
Ace Baker's new clone account is LegPains. Don't believe the lies.
nobraintheory 1 year ago
@nobraintheory Holy Shit! What a total doucher Ace is. I wondered why he was so familiar with Weicke in his posts to me. It figures. Only a troubled soul would actually do that.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360 - Yeah, he's the worst. Anyone who believes this guy has go absolutely no sense.
nobraintheory 1 year ago
@nobraintheory I was shocked that he closed his account. I was wondering why he was so angry at Weicke. This explains it.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@nobraintheory Actually: It really comes as no suprise, that this happened, as twoofs are often prone to making many accounts, partially to make their movement, seem larger than it is. But also, for more ridiculous reasons, like trying to support their statements in a debate, much in the way he did here.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360 - Yep, he would leave comments on his ColinAlexander page saying things like, "Ace, thank you so much for your research! Your DVD is genius, I'm sending your money for copies for my whole family."
It's pathetic, and only the least intelligent of all the population would ever fall for what he says. His 'LegPains' account has been much more subdued, aside from his affinity for fat girl videos. Creepy.
nobraintheory 1 year ago
@nobraintheory HaHaHaHa! I remember he has a thing for fat girls. That was all around the grapevine for months! He's a real paychotic. I was honestly not even aware of who Ron Weicke even was, were it not for this video. He seemed so aquainted with him, that it caught my eye. I just wrote it off as another kook, saying kook things. LOL!!!
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360 - Ace's LegPains account was shut down, no doubt for his constant spamming and harassing young girls. Let me know if you see any new ones. Cheers!
nobraintheory 11 months ago
@nobraintheory Try muzicmaker2001 he parks himself on the RKOwens4 video discussing the Pentagon impact.
CaptMandrake360 11 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 - I've been chatting with him, a few people say it's Ace but I can't tell. If it is him, he manages to hide the fat chick thing and not constantly spam his own videos. But he does avoid that with his ColinAlexander account, so I guess it's possible.
nobraintheory 11 months ago
@nobrain I was on that video for a couple of weeks & finally, jazzfan said so. jazzfan is a musician just like he is and seems to have some inside knowledge about him and his reputation for screwing up every gig he gets and so on. Once that jazzfan exposed it, musicmaker backed way off as though the cat was out of the bag. The same faulty logic ace demonstrates here, is the same as MM. I think it is him. I will have to go check is ColinAlexander account. This is the first I am hearing about it.
CaptMandrake360 11 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 - Interesting. CollinAlexander is his 'official' account, he was going to put out a video for a while and he did a couple of songs. Theory of Ghostplane is one of the dumb videos he made. He'll probably come up with another disposable account to be belligerent.
nobraintheory 11 months ago
@nobraintheory That seems to be his modus operandi. He thrives on being belligerent.
CaptMandrake360 11 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 - Well that didn't take long. Ace's new fake account is @romneyPHONEY. Same fat girl fetish, same WATCH THEORY OF GHOSTPLANE spam, same liferegenerator friendship, same constant political antagonism. Only a matter of time till his love of underage fat girls gets him banned again.
nobraintheory 11 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 My bad, it's spelled, @RomneyPHONY.
nobraintheory 11 months ago
@nobraintheory Geez! No kidding! I see he wasted no time spamming your page LOL!!!
CaptMandrake360 11 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 - Update on AceWatch2011, Ace has YET AGAIN been banned, no doubt for constant spam and stalking. I will update when I figure out what his new account is.
nobraintheory 8 months ago
@nobraintheory No shit? PM me.
CaptMandrake360 8 months ago
@CaptMandrake360 - New account is @NOhopeNOchangeNObama. He's already trolling 'Colin Alexander' videos and talking about how smart Ace Baker is.
nobraintheory 7 months ago
The plane is not bound by the friction of rolling on the ground. It has the aerodynamic principles of the airfoil assisting it through the air. Though it is not safe to fly at those speeds, at those altitudes: it is not impossible.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
you Obviously know NOTHING about aviation and have no idea what you are talking about, you are wrong, factually incorrect, its that simple and its confirmed by Boeing employee Interviews on the videos
911 TABOO
911 CONTINUOUS PIECES
PASSENGERS FICTITIOUS 911
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution Like I said: The theories that you have advanced, are self defeating. You (like an ignorant uninformed dolt) keep talking about ground effect. Ground effect, only provides nominal resistence at best. I have 30 hours logged in genreal aviation aircraft and have more authority to weigh in on aviation than you probably do. By your premise, a plane would never manage to get airborne in the 1st place. All your propoganda films are meaningless.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
The problem that you are infering , [weather you are aware of it or not] is that what you are saying, is that the resistence you think is provided by the lower denser air, would basically quantise as the speed increases. As the speed increases, so too would the resistence available. The problem here, is that the thrust of the plane, assists the plane through this.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
Ploitical positions, are irrelevent. The ar analogy, is not applicible, nor, is it in the same scientific arena, as the forces in operation with an airfoil. The plane, has the ability to climb, and achieve altitude [as you pointed out, the thinner air] The plane has the ability to maneuver in all three axis of movement.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
The problem with this, is that there [according to the science you are presenting] would be continuous INCREASING resistence on the plane, preventing it, from ever reaching cruising altitude at all.This is a gaping hole in your little "the plane is not capable of that" argument.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
No, the more accurate analogy to use is a Car . If we take a Ferrari with a top speed of 170 mph, we Obviously need a level resistance to achieve this, Meaning level ground or downhill. If the most a Ferrari can reach is 170 mph on Level ground, than its Impossible for the same car to achieve that same speed going up a steep hill due to the obvious massive physical increase in resistance the car is against.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
This has NOthing to do with this subject, but i can guarantee that you also believe the Moon Landings were real too ? its about the approach we take on issues. For instance i was ALWAYS skeptical about 911, long before there was any Truth movement. i can guarantee you Believed every word of the govt story immediately and never ? it.
Which is fine, im not saying thats wrong, but you and i approach information differently
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
So what other LIES do you spread? No moon landings, 911 twoof, .........let me geuss? JFK was killed EXACTLY like Oliver Stone says, right? And don't forget chemtrails!!!!
911 TRUTH = 911 LIES
ctcole77 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
The psychology behind this is quite interesting and revealing, because i always wondered what Ace's beliefs on the Moon Landings were. I always figured if i had to guess that he definitely did Not believe in them being real, but i had no idea since he never mentioned it. Then just last week he put a video up here saying he thought they were fake, just as i assumed hed think and as i think also. Like Minds think in similar patterns
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
Also as far as Politics, im not a democrat or Republican, im a member of the Constitution party. Turns out Ace's political views are also just as Unconventional and original as his views on 911. I also noticed those who believe the Govt. story of 911 have very conventional basic views on Politics, in other words, they simply vote Democrat and Republican every election and never break out of that intellectually Stale box
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
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@LifeRegenRevolution
I also noticed those who believe 911 twoofers LIES have absolutely no science based education. In other words, 911 twoofers are uneducated gullible morons and need to retake 5th grade science.
ctcole77 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution - "Turns out Ace's political views are also just as Unconventional and original as his views on 911"
Why are you talking about yourself in the third person, everybody knows you're Ace.
nobraintheory 1 year ago
The comparison of the car, is so off the reservation on this, it is laughable. The density of the air, provides fricion over the airfoil. However, it doesn't mean that the plane can't reach the indicated speeds. They are required to reach these speeds, and the ability to evade obstructions, from off the assembly line. If an aircraft is capable of reaching a given speed, than it has to be able to demonstrate certain collision avoidance at those speeds.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
Your analysis of Air craft speed demonstrates a total Lack of even the most basic fundamental Common sense, logic and completely contradicts the words of Boeing Engineers and spokes people.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
Air density provides RESISTANCE, the more resistance the slower the speed, the less resistance and ? once you more you stand corrected and its a shame on an intellectual level i have to treat you like a baby, and speak to you as if you have NO ability to think logically in any degree, its just Pathetic
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
"Air density provides RESISTANCE"
REALLY, in the physics courses I took for my engineering degree they always said air resistance in negligible??????
I guess 911 twoofer science trumps real science.
Please remind me how many physics courses you have taken?
911 WAS AN OUTSIDE JOB!
ctcole77 1 year ago
@ctcole77 - LifeRegenRevolution is Ace Baker's clone account that he uses to compliment his own videos and whatnot. He a highschool dropout that hangs out on youtube working different scams and hitting on underage girls. I hate this guy, and he's dumb as shit. The account has since been shut down. Let me know if you figure out the next one he creates.
nobraintheory 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
id be more than happy to speak on a stage or TV show against you and any other Plane believing Moron about 911, and i can guarantee you pal i would clean your clock and embarrass ya
you honestly have NO idea what you are talking about, you Guys are so clueless, naive, and illogical about 911 and how to analyze information before you, its downright scary
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
Hey man no hard feelings, sorry to be rude, im just sick and tired of you guys being so illogical and gullible, it gets tiring answering the same lame ?s you bring up
im amazed how anyone can actually believe the official story
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
No offense taken bro. I am just amazed that someone talks of logic, but repeatedly bases their arguments on factless hypothesis, and the fact that they hate the guy in the vid.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
thanks man, theres no sense in us Hating each other just because we view the world differently. Lets just be honest we all have our egos and pride in all of this and there are times on Both sides where it just goes too far and we all get carried away with it all. This non stop arguing back and forth is insane to be honest, but its how it is sadly. The personal insults, the hatred from both sides on here about his issue is beyond Crazy
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
CAN YOU SPELL D-E-B-U-N-K-E-D?
"his whole demeanor and way he presents himself in this video is very Unprofessional and degrading , and quite classless"
ROFL! And I suppose it's "professionsal" to make up LIES about 911 just because you have nothing better to do? I suppose it's "professionsal" to spread baseless "no planes" LIES while denying expert testimony.
911 TRUTH = 911 LIES
ctcole77 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
i dont hate Wieck, ive never met the man and he could be the nicest guy in the world for all i know when hes not doing his TV show . But his whole demeanor and way he presents himself in this video is very Unprofessional and degrading , and quite classless.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution Also: you are posturing on the idea, that an airfoil, doesn't function at lower altitudes. This is beyond ignorant for a number of reasons: Not the least of which, is that it assumes [essentially] that the plane can't function at all at lower altitudes. If what you are postulating was actually true, then one has to answer: how do planes get airborn in the first place. Obviously you would come back with the rebuttal, that they are not at cruising speed at take off.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
Again: You are the one, that is actually posturing on the laughable idea, that the plane moving at 50 mph, somehow, cannot penetrate glass! That is beyond ridiculous.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
In the case of Shanksville, the plane was able to dispurse outwardly, unfettered. There is a great contrast, between what happens to a plane, post impact with a building, and in an open field.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
The Question here is what is the top speed a 757 can achive in a dive at maximum Power Just before it is pushed to the point of structural falure.
Twoofies you bore me.
Get a Grip.
HeadLessMunkees 1 year ago
Fact remains: There were two planes that crashed into the WTC Twin Towers, plus one that struck the Pentagon, and one more that crashed into a field in Pennsylvania!
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
you are correct a plane did crash into the Shanksville field and the Pentagon, and Santa Claus is real too ! LOL
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
Your comebacks, are evermore increasingly desparate. Pariceless!
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
nowhere near as ' desperate ' as to actually believe that the most multi faceted , intricate complex event in American history was due to nothing more than 19 wacky Arab video game nerds waving Rusty Box cutters ! its an insult to my intelligence, character as an American. The official story is asinine, absurd and ridiculous , full of massive gaping holes, inconsistencies and downright unbelievable bizarre so called ' coincidences
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
The funny thing, is that the official story never changes. The positinal viewpoints of trughers, are a never ending evolution of stupidity. The no plane theory--over-all, is an insult to anyones intelligence. There is no way that anyone is going to tell me, based on some drugged out freaks INTERPERETATION that there were no planes. Or any of the other laughable DIVERGING thoeries that you kooks adhere to.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
i considered and heard both sides, and i watched the Plane videos and i used my own common sense, Logic, intelligence and objective analysis and am convinced that NO planes were used.
The videos are definitely fake as they depict a hollow Fragile Aluminum Plane going through a Steel Bldg as if it were cardboard. The best expose of this on here is definitely the video
911 TABOO
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution Sure, because a steel building, is completely immune to damage. Not like when they designed the buildings, they were designed to withstand jet impacts or anything, right? Then there is the fact, that the outter grid, is made largely of aluminum window frames, and the glass contained within the frames. Naw...You're right! There is no way that a 100 ton object travelling at 500 mph, can penetrate glass...What was I thinking? Give me a break!
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
NOPE i never said a steel bldg is ' immune ' to damage. Actually yes the bldgs absolutely were designed to withstand Jet Impacts thats factually on record by the designers and engineers stating so. The outer grid is made largely of Huge massive interwoven Solid STEEL bleams. Its obvious you've never watched any of the Original videos that were filming the construction of them
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
If you are talking about the steel mesh, being immune to penetration by an airliner, than you are sadly meistaken also. I know you are saying two things at once actually. You are saying that there were no planes, and saying that it is not possible for a plane to penetrate. This is not what the designers are saying. They are saying that their designs, are able to absorb, not resist.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
Nope i NEVER used the word ' immune' , once more please follow what im saying and quote me correctly. and NOPE i never said it was ' impossible' for a plane to Penetrate a bldg. However and this is a MASSIVE distinction and important, what i am saying is the planes could never have gone through the bldg in the dramatic unrealistic MANNER depicted in the videos.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
That is where you are wrong. The buildings were designed with that very scenario in mind. They weren't designed to RESIST an impact, they were designed to ABSORB an impact.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
well according to the Plane videos the bldgs did Neither as they were portrayed as if they were styrafoam , which is totally unrealistic. You guys claim the reason No large pieces of debri were found with Flight 93 is due to the planes being so fragile, yet you totally reverse your thinking with the wtc Planes, and you dont find that illogical ?
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution How did I reverse my logic? The crash in Shanksville, and collision with the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, all left little debris. What you are refusiuing to understand, is that at the moment of impact, the plane was still intact. Once the impact took place, the plane loses it's ability to retain shape. Bulkheads come undone, and the plane basically turns into a fluid mass. [Twin Towers nad Pentagon] .
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
How can the same plane be so Fragile as to break apart in so many tiny Pieces in Shanksville, yet be so durable and strong to go through the wtc steel as if it were Paper ?
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
Why are you purposing to overlook the fact, that in both cases: the WTC and in Shanksville,they all broke into "tiny" pieces? Again: In the case of the WTC, the outter grid was made of mostly glass! There is no way, that glass is going to resist the impact of a 100 ton jetliner moving at 500 mph.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
' the wtc outer grid was made of mostly glass '
LOL how can i possibly have an intelligent substantive conversation with someone so ignorant of the facts and completely Naive and clueless ?
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
Moron, If the plane was that fragile to immediately upon impact break up into a million bite size tiny Pieces in Shanksville , it could have never been so durable and Dense to have gone through the solid dense STEEL beam grid of the outer wtc as if it were cardboard. YES the outer grid has glass windows, but you forgot to mention the Steel dummy ! Or did you intentionally leave it out as to not get intellectually dominated on this topic
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
by the way these planes CANNOT do 500 mph at such extremely low altitudes, they need whats termed ' cruising speed ' to achieve such speed which is over 20,000 feet. This is factually confirmed by Boeing engineers and employees on Jeff Hills video
911 CONTINUOUS PIECES
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
100% False! ALL jetliners, CAN reach ALL speeds, at any altitude. The difference being; that they cannot do it SAFELY at lower altitudes, as there can be some structural damage to the airframe. But, in the case of 9/11, no one was interested in safety.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
NOPE, they cannot ! Being that the air in our Atmosphere is MUCH thinner and less dense up very high, and at low altitude the air being very molecularly dense creates huge Resistance for ALL planes. Its like saying a car can reach the SAME speed going up very steep hills as it can down hill or level ground. its the utmost common sense and based on pure provable logic of Physics
CHECKMATE, you got owned pal as you always do
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
As I said: ALL speeds, at ALL altitudes.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
Let me in there to debate that Lightweight condescending buffoon Ronny boy Wiecke, on a purely intellectual level about 911, ill Crush him and make a fool out of him. Let me at him !
He is a joke and a clueless Airhead
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
As Boeing engineers have confirmed and as any Pilot knows, Pushing a Plane at those low altitudes full speed would result in the Resonant Frequencies and such violent shaking due to the Resistance of the Air Molecular density, that parts of the Plane would be breaking off LONG before it even hit the tower .
i am intellectually dominating you pal , you cant seem to win any Matches here at all, you are gettin OWNED big time : )
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
This is why it is not wise to only listen only to what truther video's say. I have never seen any debunker vid portray the buildings as styrafoam. AS I said before: The buidings, weren't designed to RESIST the impact of a plane, but rather to ABSORB.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
Passgr. Planes cant reach 500 mph at such low altitudes , to reach 500 miles per hour, they need to be at whats called ' cruising altitude' which is over 20,000 feet where the Air is much thinner and provides alot less resistance. Once more, you stand Corrected
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
Actually: The whole ground effect thing, is a joke as well. Planes, have to be able to demonstrate the ability to avoid collisions, and be able to move quickly to do so, at any altitude. Once again, you fail.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
Moving quickly is quite vague and unspecific, lets be clear, Fact is Planes CANT reach 500 mph at very low altitudes.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
Fact: planes CAN reach top speed, at ANY altitude. Period.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
NO planes CANNOT reach top speed at any altitude, that is a false statement, Wind Resistance is a Major factor and the air is ALOT thinner and molecularly less dense over 20,000 feet. What you are saying is illogical and irrational, if the planes could reach 500 mph at 1,000 feet than they should be able to reach 900 mph at 30,000 feet, and we know they cant. Your thinking is totally flawed
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
The Plane videos are quite Unrealistic in a multitude of ways
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
The most unrealistic thing, is the assinine no plane theory. Which you just blundered yourself with.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
i disagree, i think the most Unrealistic scenario is that this was due to Nothing more than 19 Loony Arab Video game Nerds waving rusted Box cutters. That ' story ' is a total farce and a Hoax and you bought it
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
Coming from someone that clearly doesn't have his facts straight, I'd say that the assinine antics of no planers, is the unrealistic scenario.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
well you are entitled to your Opinion, you and i disagree
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
We've disagreed from day one.
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
911 TABOO gives an excellent detailed analysis of this
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
It goes without saying; that there are no video's of witnesses saying; that "there were no planes" used that day. Why is it, that there are numerous home video's of the second plane hitting? If there were no planes used in the attack that day, why do people recall seeing a plane, but say that it was actually a military plane?
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
Actually there is vids proving NO planes, watch
THEORY OF GHOSTPLANE
SEPTEMBER CLUES
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
Actually: All the doctor'd vids in the world, don't prove anything. Sure anyone can take video footage, and remove images from it. What's new about that?
CaptMandrake360 1 year ago
@CaptMandrake360
Fact remains NO planes were used
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
Imaginations, such as the ones exhibited by LifeRegenRevolution here, are not synonomous with deep thinking, or critical thinking skills!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
I just am waitng for LifeRegenRevolution to actually substantiate any of the declarative statements that he is making!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake How can LifeRegenRevoultion or any of these guys substantiate no planes hitting the WTC or Pentagon. It is crazy man.
487mip 1 year ago
@487mip:
Yeah, it is crazy!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
What's insulting, is you telling the families, that they didn't lose any of their loved ones that day! You call it thinking out of the box. This is precisely why it is such a failure. This isn't a question of intelect. It is a question of compassion for the people that died that day.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
Please show me where i specifically said the ' families of 911 didnt lose any loved ones' ?
you are constantly misquoting here over and over. You are like a broken record
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution:
Uh...excuse me...You are the one that said that there were no planes that day. NOT ME! NO PLANES = through necessity, NO VICTIMS!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
NO Planes hit the wtc, but that doesnt equate that No planes possibly took off that day. Huge distinction. Once more, if you are going to quote me or assume something i believe, please check 1st and make sure you are accurate.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution:
Oh...don't worry, I KNOW i'm accurate. The two planes that hit the WTC Twin Towers, that day, were being tracked by several ATC personell, and there were a few phone calls made from those planes as well. The phones that were fixed to the headrests, were a real help, in identifying what happened that day.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
Well yes thats what we were told is that ATC tracked them. that may or may not be factually correct as you and i were not there to verify it. Im simply going by what i was shown the Video and all surrounding evidence.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution:
This is where you and I differ. I don't buy conjecture. I don't take wild unfounded allegations, as evidence. I don't even believe, that me having questions, means that there actually is a vaccum there. It just means that I don't know everything about the situation. I actually listen to what the personell that were there that day have to say. And according to you, there needs not be any credentials, anyways! Just how you view the world.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution:
Also in reference to your other comment about the "video game playing arab nreds" comment: you absolutely said that this was not possible, due to what you called a muti trillion dollar, multi faceted defense system.
This was actually NOT set up to deter hijacked airliners, but actual military threats. This is the kind of blanket assumptions that you are making, and it is most ignorant.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
LifeRegenRevolution, has basically failed in proving his point. And he dismisses the credentials required to make any of the claims he is making into fact. In short; his is totally against his claims being made legitimate. He actually wants them to remain fantasy, and never be verified. This seems to be a common denominator amongst truthers. They seem to be very against validating anything they say. life is against the 1,000 A&E in his movement, that want a second look into 9/11!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
You havent proved anything, and Credentials arent required from determining truth from error. Back in the 19th Century Medical Doctors with Credentials, used to administer the Treatment of Bleeding paitents to cure disease because they thought that ALL disease was the result of bad blood and if they only let enough blood out the paitent would be cured.
Obviously it was a false premise and lead to many un necessary deaths
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution:
I have more than proved my position. You are the one, that is not substantiating anyhting that you are claiming. The only thing you have done today, is cry about Weick. That's it!
On top of which, doctors according to you, are not qualified to practice medicine, and no one should believe anything a docotor says, based soley on the fact, that it is possible that something might go wrong. Everything is a gamble.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
...perversion of all facts.
This is not really a matter of intelect. This is rather a matter of politics. The truth movement, having actually been founded by the media, is simply carrying the torch.
The reality, is that the facts, in an investigation, are not all nice and neat, for the investigators to simply uncover. The real world doesn't operate in this way.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake You believe this fucking guy?
487mip 1 year ago
@487mip
There are now HUNDREDS of No plane vids on here with thousands of people commenting. far from being just me ; )
and Next year there will be even more, its growing and you cant stop it nor can anyone else, let freedom ring !
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution:
How does vids, and people posting equal anything? Talk about lacking thinking skills. How many of those posts, are replies, and how many of them are actually favorable to the no plane theroy?
Since when does YouTube vids really equal anything either? Oh that's right, without YouTube, there would be no no-plane movement!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
Also in the ' real world' 19 whacko Arab video game nerds with Rusted box cutters dont out fox and outsmart and totally defeat the worlds most intricate and sophisticated trillion dollar air defense system.
wake up , with all due respect you sound utterly clueless , ignorant and very Naive
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
I only know who Weick is, because of this video.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
Yes but its obviously you are a huge admirer of his Bombastic , Angry, arrogant defensive approach to conducting a discussion.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
Weick, can act as unprofessionally as he wants to; I just have yet to see anywhere in this interview, where he actually does.
Just because he calls Ace out on all his wannabe grandstanging non-sense, doesn't mean that Weick acted unproffessionally, it just means that Ace is incapable, and lacks the requisite credentials to positively assert anything, and Weick knows this. The very fact that Ace was even on his show, speaks volumes as to the professionalism of Weick! Ace simply failed.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
Of course you wouldnt and didnt, you love Wieck and agree with his own biased subjective opinion completely.
so then why would you dare say anything the least bit critical of him or anyone else ' on your side' ?
You are here as an advocate to try to persuade as many people as possible that the Official story is 100 percent accurate and lines up with pinpoint precision and is completely accurate on every minute detail.
i understand ; )
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution:
I love Weick?
It seems to me, that you are on this vide pretty heavily all of a sudden. You are choosing me on, and can't back up anything you are claiming.
You have yet to provide proof, for the roughly 100 DIVERGING theories that your movement adheres to!
This is why you idiot's died.
NYCCAN, seemed to be the final nail in the coffin.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
im not part of any ' movement' nor do i belong to any Groups. i am only responsible for myself , no one else.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
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"im not part of any ' movement' nor do i belong to any Groups. i am only responsible for myself , no one else."
Typical cop-out from a guy who is on the losing side of an argument.
Oh...By the way: I am incapable of transforming the opinions of anyone, you give me WAY too much credit here. This is the interenet age, and people make up their own minds.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
' credentials' dont determine anything , if all it took were titles and mere Credentials, than no one would ever be questioning anything.
Plus obviously Not everyone with the same ' credentials' agree in any topic of study.
Some do some dont, some will, some wont. Most Americans felt both Bush and Obama had the right ' credentials' to be President.
how is that workin out so far ? lol
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution:
I hate Obama personally, I didn't vote for him. Credentials are of paramount importance. Since people rely on the words of experts.
A person wouldn't take their car to a seamstress, for an oil change.
You seem to posess a special brand of arrogance, where you actually think that you know what people are thinking, and that eveyone actually buys your movements crap.
I can't help but laugh at you.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
i dont ' rely' on anything Other than common Sense, logic, and clear objective intelligent thought from an Analytical mind thats open to all possibilities
and those who demonstrate those same characteristics. Credentials dont determine who does and who does Not have those characteristics.
In fact , many times ' credentials' get in the way of thinking Objectively and clearly. Thats true obviously in Politics, and 911.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
Like I said before:
People don't buy conjecture, and wild un-founded allogations, don't serve as evidence.
Just someone says that they have questions, doesn't mean that they are right on a subject, nor does it mean that there actually is a vacuum in a finding.
It just means that all the physics that you "learned" in grammar school, and high school, didn't really sink in.
Without credentials, there is no veracity to anything that anyone says. You like this, because it allows for...
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
conjecture such as the theory that this cause was just 19 wacky arab video game nerds waving rusty box cutters ?
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
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@GGcaptmandrake
conjecture such as the theory that this cause was just 19 wacky arab video game nerds waving rusty box cutters ?
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution:
I would have a better time believing that 19 guys attacked unarmed pilots, and air crews, rather than the govt. set up an attack, within only 7 months of being in office.
If John Dillinger, can breakout of prison, with only a peice of wood, painted and shaped like a gun, and in the process, lock up 10 ARMED police officers, than 19 guys with knives vs. a handfull of unarmed pilots is VERY concieveble.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
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@LifeRegenRevolution:
I would have a better time believing that 19 guys attacked unarmed pilots, and air crews, rather than the govt. set up an attack, within only 7 months of being in office.
If John Dillinger, can breakout of prison, with only a peice of wood, painted and shaped like a gun, and in the process, lock up 10 ARMED police officers, than 19 guys with knives vs. a handfull of unarmed pilots is VERY concieveble.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
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@LifeRegenRevolution:
I would have a better time believing that 19 guys attacked unarmed pilots, and air crews, rather than the govt. set up an attack, within only 7 months of being in office.
If John Dillinger, can breakout of prison, with only a peice of wood, painted and shaped like a gun, and in the process, lock up 10 ARMED police officers, than 19 guys with knives vs. a handfull of unarmed pilots is VERY concieveble.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
No, but if a Car Mechanic who has ' credentials' tells me that the reason my car is running badly is due to the fact that the Window Washer fluid is low
than i know im being Lied to and mislead by a man who has ' credentials'
Happens all the time in every area of Life. Your obvious problem is you cant think for yourself and have No objectivity so you Require those with ' credentials' to decide who is right for you.
i feel bad for you
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
I'm just waiting for LifeRegenRevolution, to provide proof of his retarded claims! Since there were many witnesses, that say that they saw planes impact the buildings!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
There absolutely are people that stated they did NOT see any planes, they are on the video
911 TABOO
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
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@LifeREgtenRevolution:
"There absolutely are people that stated they did NOT see any planes, they are on the video"
"911 TABOO"
As I said before: there are people that say that they saw planes, and that they didn't look like a civilian plane!
Your retarded propoganda flicks are worthless.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
Also: saying that the host of the show is arrogant, is a bit on the childish side. This in and of itself, doesn't mean that he is wrong. Nor do I agree that he even is!
No one buys conjecture, and wild-- un-founded allegations, don't serve as evidence. Saying [as truthers often do] that you have questions, doesn't mean that there is an actual vacuum in any of the findings of that day.
It just means that the physics that you "learned" in grade school, and high-school, never really sunk in.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
ok if it makes you happy, Wieck is wrong also.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
watch?v=lyqo4oh-AzU&NR=1
He clearly says "where's this other JET going"
:D
Plenty of evidence to support the FACT that a large aircraft hit the building. The only evidence that supports the idea of a halogram or a missile is psuedo science and your lack of understanding of REAL science.
Laysoles 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution:
All the childins antics you want to pull, doesn't change the fact, that Ace, simply didn't prove his premise. Weick, is merely the host of the show.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
You stand corrected, Wieck acted as an advocate for the official story and was clearly on the side of Steve Wright.
which is fine he can do whatever he want, but its rather obvious Wieck is anything but fair and objective in this video.
Wieck challenged NOTHING that Wright said, yet everything that Ace said. Wieck acted unprofessionally
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeREgenRevolution:
Wrong. Ace simply didn't prove any of the retarded claims he made in this interview, and Weick, asked legitimate questions, and if he is a supporter of the official findings of that day, so what? It is up to Ace to prove his case, seeing as how he is going on this supposedly biased show. He didn't even come close.
Ace, has yet to provide image enhancement of the video he attempts to use, and has to explain away [adequately] the numerous home videos with planes.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
Ace, was incapable of intelligibly answering any of the questions posed by Ron Weick! he just sat there like a deere in the headlights, and just repeated the same retarded chant.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
The whole laughable idea, that the "NWO" used hologram's by way of the media, is laughable! It is incerdibly disresepctful to the familes that lost their loved ones in the planes that day. This matters l ittle to a worthless degenerate, like LifeRegenRevolution here, but it needs to be mentioned from time to time. As often happens; this reality gets lost in the 9/11 shuffle!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake Ever heard of the Allegory of the Cave by Plato? I believe Plato would say liferegenrevolution is stuck in the cave watching shadows thinking they are real.
:3
Laysoles 1 year ago
@Laysoles:
LOL!!! Yeah! No shit, huh?
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake Whole truth movement is like that. Simply a bunch of idiots that "think" that is how it should be instead of examining the physics, and then instead of presenting it that way they try to present it as "fact".
Self proclaimed experts that know little or nothing about the physics behind it. As if that wasn't criminal enough they completely butcher the scientific method by creating a conclusion and then attempting to force the evidence to support it.
Laysoles 1 year ago
@Laysoles:
So true! A case in point, is when they say that the hole at the Pentagon was too small. They claim that there is no way for the plane to fit in the hole. Which actually is a lie, since the diameter of the hole is perfectly sized for a 757b impat. But the implication seems to be; that they created the hole 1st, and then tried to ram a missile in there...or some twisted fantasy. It's too stupid! They can't see the forrest for the trees.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake Or the "9 second free fall" time of the collapse of the world trade centers when clearly the Naudet brothers footage shows otherwise.
If it was 9 seconds them and all those firefighters shown running in the footage would have been dead.
Not to mention actually at the 9 second mark after the start of the collapse can be heard, daylight is still clearly the dominate form of light within the video. It isn't blocked out or darkened at all even at the 9 second mark.
Laysoles 1 year ago
@Laysoles:
Yes! True! But see; the problem here, is that you are applying critical thinking skills, a concept foreign to truthers. They lack the ability to actually critique what they think, before they post it.
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
D: I can't lower myself to such stupidity. I guess I am not cut out to be a truther.
Oh well nothing lost.
Laysoles 1 year ago
@Laysoles:
LOL!!! It takes a special brand of mental defect, to be that stupid!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake Oh yes it does.
Laysoles 1 year ago
@Laysoles:
I think it is funny, when the "no-planes" theory gets advanced, they always lump in, the stand down order theory with it!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
Agree or Disagree with Ace, its obvious from this video that Ronald Wieck is an intellectual Lightweight and he is utterly clueless about 911.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution:
Ron, ran circles around aces inability to bring any intelligible support for the fantasy that you and he subscribe to!
The fact that there were planes, has been widely documented by so many supporting testimonies, that it is too laughable to even talk about.
Why [if this is so sure] doesn't ace, an award winning musician, get the tape that the relies on, IMAGE ENHANCED?
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@GGcaptmandrake
Ron Wieck is an Arrogant , Bombastic defensive , condescending Stooge !
Be Specific , show me on here any videos with Testimonies of people saying they saw Planes ?
are you familiar with the infamous HARLEY GUY plane witness being interviewed on Fox news ?
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolutuion:
All that Ace needs to do, is enhance the images on the video he uses as "proof"!
All you are doing, is finding fault with a guy that has greater intelligence, and common sense than you do!
Show me a video, that shows people saying that they DIDN'T see a plane that day! Why are there home video's of the second strike?
There are actually vids of people saying that the plane: in the words of 1 woman..."was NOT a commercial airliner!"
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
@LifeRegenRevolution
By all means provide ANY proof that supports that it was not an aircraft.
Laysoles 1 year ago
@Laysoles
Just curious will you Ordering Aces much anticipated dvd 911 PSY OPERA which will be avail June 12 th ?
ill be ordering at least 20 copies to give out to family, friends and co workers.
saw the preview for it on his channel and appears excellent and very well done.
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
And crash them into three buildings! Especially, considering that they were up against UNARMED pilots and flighty creews!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
Then, there is the documanted fact, that these guys were mostly COMMERCIALLY rated which means that they had something like 250 hours MINIMUM of flight experience before ever setting foot in the cockpit that day. ALso; they didn't have to demonstrate skills, in the three most difficult phases of flight! If John Dillinger, can break outof prison, with a peice of wood, painted and shaped like a gun, then 19 guys with knives, can hijack four planes!
GGcaptmandrake 1 year ago
And besides, what is the reason that the ratings were disabled?
whiterottenrabbit 2 years ago