I have video of three crows pecking, mutalating and destroying a starving injured kitten in a feild by my house. I am posting it today on youtube, nature is so cuel at times.
There is a stray cat that comes by my house every once and a while for food and I had nothing to give it. An hour later I find her in my driveway literally eating a baby rabbit brains out.
If somebody else's cat kills my pet bird, do i have a right to set loose my dog to kill it when it sneaks inside my property again? Its the law of nature right? Or do you guys think that only cats have the right to kill?
I have never seen a bird look sorry for itself when it becomes the prey of another animal or man.but the cat will howl and shit itself when its is caught in a trap.bravo to my little fox terrier.
@moger999 Get a life and stop playing gay video games you jap-queer. I hope you and your family get radiation poisoning from your shit-hole country's nuke plants--- the only filthy rubbish is you
I'm sorry but I do have a life, I never play Video Games( I am just interested in them) and TOKYO DOESNT HAVE RADIATION POISONING!!! Please learn before you talk, dumbass!
@moger999 What exactly did you expect to see when you clicked on a video titled "cat eats bird after hunting and killing it?" Clearly you couldn't handle watching this video. And sorry, cats hunt like any other predator.
A cat follows it's instinct, and is villified.... Nothing could be more natural, and closer to nature, and people can't handle it. These are the ones that would be the first to go should society collapse.
@ev0se7en No...that is YOUR logic, not OUR logic. No one said anything about purposely killing someone's pet. Cat's are predators, and birds are prey. Cat's are not the natural prey of dog's, dog's just like to chase them and hurt them for fun. They don't eat them, and they are not part of their diet. Allowing a dog to sport-kill an intelligent predator companion animal like a cat is inhumane. A cat eating a bird is part of nature everyday. We don't provoke it, but it happens.
@jmilber I did not say anything about purposely letting my dog kill a cat. The cat sneaked into my yard and my dog killed it. Its not like i witnessed the whole thing and allowed it to happen nor did i train my dog to kill cats. The animal simply did it because its what it was hardwired to do. In case you don't know, dogs descended from wolves which are known to hunt other animals, especially ones that are smaller than themselves. Therefore, i think its safe to say that the dog did was natural.
@jmilber I understand that you love cats, but like what danlc95 said (i modified it a bit to avoid being biased): "an animal follows it's instinct, and is villified.... Nothing could be more natural, and closer to nature, and people can't handle it."
But FINALLY to comment on the video, it looks like your cat is an avid hunter, much like mine. My cat just caught a bird last week. (Your cat is very pretty by the way)
@drogothlord Thanks. Louie usually kills mice; that is the first bird I saw him get. He's actually not my cat, but my cat's best friend. He's a neighborhood cat who comes to our house almost everynight to visit / wrestle my cat Scraps, and eat tuna and get stoned on Cat Nip.
Why are people upset because the cat is acting like a cat? This is how cats have survived for thousands of years. It's no different than us chopping off a turkey's head for Thanksgiving, or a father taking his son fishing. Granted, I don't like to see domestic cats (who are fed regularly) kill birds but you cant stop them from being cats.
@ebolaoutkast "They can/should be kept indoors. That's what pet ownership is." This is a perfect example of your unabashed arrogance. In two short sentences, you redefine 8-10,000 years of the history of cooperative interaction between two entire species and make one rule to govern everyone, no matter what their specific circumstances are.
Careless car owners in my area have been responsible for a number of cat deaths recently due to the irresponsible storage of,
Ethylyne Glycol (automotive anti-freeze) which due to its sweet syrupy nature cats love. On ingestion it oxidises to Glycolic Acid, which in turn oxidises to form Oxalic Acid which is toxic and deadly to cats, (even in small amounts) and causes heart failure.
Be aware of this and take care when using Anti-Freeze this winter!!!!!!!!!
Hey how about if I come to your house and crawl inside your car and rip the seats to shreds then urinate all over it then I have sex with your daughter (she doesn't have to consent) then I take a crap on your front doorstep. Then my feces (which I leave anywhere i choose) causes your unborn child severe lifelong birth defects.
But i'm so cute I can't be held accountable because it's in my nature to do such things!
@RoadCaptainEntertain Lol can you even name the bird species? The uninformed one is you... look at these ramblings of a mad man. Toxplasmosis... LOL.. transmitted by "Ingestion of contaminated cat feces" - A true threat to society! Your neighbor should be visited by social services if her child eats cat shit. Cats dig & cover holes for bathroom use, rid the streets of vermin (birds are rare, mice are easier hunt) & hurt no one (except your crackpot neighbor whose kid tongue fucks cat ass)
@jmilber The response of a true intellect who has more feelings for a 10 cent cat than a human child. As I said before there is no point in trying to reason with a cat owner as they always have an excuse for there pets being pests as you demonstrate so well.
Believe it or not indiginous animals took care of the vermin problem before kitty was introduced and upset the ecosystem.
I'm done with you........typical cat owner mentality and no reasoning skills.
At least this bird had lived free and is actually becoming a meal. Life feeds on Life. This is no different than us having a meal of meat. The only difference is we are so far removed from the process of harvest. Bon Appetite Louie.
@RoadCaptainEntertain Ha! You dismiss my argument as a rant since u cant argue against it. You think eating meat is ok so long as you ignore the process it took to get to ur plate. The only reason Louie having a Bird dinner is wrong to everyone is because they are WATCHING the slaughter. Tell me ONE good reason why it's so horrible for a cat to hunt and EAT a bird compared with buying one from a store? Awake from ur fantasy world where meat isn't the product of animal death and suffering.
@jmilber well Sir I have been an avid outddorsman since before you were born. Not being a sissfied city dweller I know very well where meat comes from. You staement is based on assumption instead of facts.
I also noticed the bird killed in the video is a Migratory Game Species protected by State and Federal law (which doesn't seem to apply to cat owners).
I couldn't give a shit less how you feed your cat, what I do give a shit about is the introductipon of invasive non-native species.
@jmilber Which similar to killer bees and fire ants have become not only a burdon on your neighbors but a public health issue. Perhaps you might llike to research toxoplasmosis which is transmitted by felines and the horrible birth defects it causes to human babies still in the womb.
One of my neighbors is currently dealing with her childs suffering as a result of the neighbors free roaming kitty.
Educate yourself and you may not appear uninformed.
@RoadCaptainEntertain Are u vegetarian? If not, u have no right to judge a cat for hunting itself a meal-- a free range natural bird. This is FAR MORE HUMANE than chicken forced hormones & grow so large bones break & r confined from birth to cramped filthy cages. Confinement drives them insane & they try 2 peck each other 2 death so their beaks are painfully cut off.
If I bought my cat chicken @ store, would you care? NO! Ignoramouses like u just dont wanna know where their meat came from.
@jmilber The point I am making is that it only a matter of degree. Where do we draw the line? If I puchase a Couger or Pitt Bull do I have some God given right to let it roam at will and kill anything it chooses, of course not.
Let's try to practice responsable pet ownership.
The mentality of cat owners is beyond reason as they always have some excuse for their pets being pests.
I noticed your response is nothing more than a rant with name calling.......the sign of a true intellect.
@jmilber LOL. Talk about 'dismissing an argument'. I already explained to your ass the REASON why it's wrong. 'Louie' is a PET CAT not a WILD CAT. He is fed (hopefully, unless his owners are bigger pieces of shit than I thought) in the comfort oh his own home. If he gets what he needs to eat, any other animals killed for fun are killed for just that. It's no different from me deciding to kill and eat the bird. I'm not blaming the cat, I'm blaming the OWNERS.
@RoadCaptainEntertain How is an animal hunting and killing another animal not natural? How in the hell do you think lions get their food? They are carnivores you fool. They need to eat meat, they can't go out and make a goddamn salad if they get hungry outside.
@GrumpyGuyProductions So following this logic you feel ok with me moving in next to you and letting 3 very large PitBulldogs roam the neighborhood at will killing anything they please because it is in their nature to do so. Even though they are supposed to be domesticated and well fed at home?
Kitty can go inside and eat some Goddamn Cat food.
We are talking about a domestic animal and not a wild Lion...no comparison.
@RoadCaptainEntertain Well Though I am still in school, and I may be considered a damn dirty teenager, I believe that there is a difference in a cat merely eating a bird, and 3 pit bulls roaming around killing people, even though it's the same in principle. And I'm assuming you meant killing things as in people. And on a further note, your argument makes sense and I see where your coming from. But pit bulls only roam around like that due to careless and abusive owners.
@GrumpyGuyProductions SPEAKING of lions, somehow lions in many zoos are kept perfectly healthy and they do not ROAM free, nor are they offered living meals (some crappy zoos in china do this and it just creates suffering for the prey and fat lazy lions). How big of a fool must one be to think a house cat would suffer in a home when a lion can be content in captivity? Even if you think a lion is suffering, a housecat is domesticated and has far more advantage.
@ebolaoutkast Thats true, that's true. You have a very good point, and so does that RoadCaptain guy. All I'm wondering is why everyone's making a big deal out of this...it's just a cat doing what cats do, it's not effecting you in any way. Now unless this bird is anyone's pet bird, why do you even care? Animals eat animals. That's the way things are there no changing it. And by the way, how do you know that a lion is content in captivity? Did it tell you?
@GrumpyGuyProductions Why not make a big deal out of this? Cats belong indoors. I don't think cat owners have the right to roam their pets around, and it impacts wildlife. I don't like animals dying for what I consider no reason. It upsets me greatly, and DOES impact me. How do you know the cat is content outside? Did it tell you? You just need typical animal observation skills to determine it's contentment.
@ebolaoutkast Yes, because mountain lions are dreading their life wondering as far as they want in the fresh air, and desperately want to be put into containment. And please tell me your a vegetarian, or you would be the greatest hypocrite ever. And the fact that you are putting up an argument against the nature of things,of how things live is ridiculous.
@GrumpyGuyProductions Goddammit I thought you were understanding me here, and then you just revert to that same hot air emotional 'argument'. That same tired ass 'you BETTER be a vegetarian'. Like I haven't heard that 60,000 times. I'm wasting my time if you're going to ignore what I say. I spelled it out for you now address my argument or stfu. I am absolutely not a hypocrite. Try using your brain. Animals do fine in captivity. If you're not a peta freak you should probably agree.
@GrumpyGuyProductions Grumpy... there is no point arguing with these people. They are so stuck on their belief, they will never see the other side. All sane people understand the horrible conditions animals live in slaughter houses, and understand meat from safeway or petsmart is the product of dead animals & suffering. Ppl get emotional from the sight of a live hunt & cant put together that its the same thing as buying meat at the store. In fact, its more humane since the animal lived free.
@ebolaoutkast Cats belong indoors--well, who died and made you God? I must have missed the memo. You don't like animals dying? Do you think they're immortal? Animals die all the time because, well, that's what happens to them, and to us. There's no "reason" for any of it. If the natural world of animals eating killing and eating other animals upsets you, it's only in contrast to the world of sentimental fantasy of "how things should be" that you've built for yourself.
@southerner66 This video is so tiring with constant responders thinking they've got me sunk with arguments I've never heard. Your logic does not work unless you agree that we should have no standard in how we treat animals. You don't have to be 'God' just someone with decent morality. If I went and killed a cat to get it the f--- off my property, I'll smirk and say ANIMALS DIE ALL THE TIME teehee. It's natural for me to eradicate pests. Agree I'm entitled to this?
@ebolaoutkast Again, if you think cats are pests, you're just a moron. They've been providing a service for us for 8-10 thousand years. A little gratitude might be in order in line with your "decent morality." Another example: my neighbor's hedges were being killed by a vole infestation. She loves my cats (who only go out during daylight hours) because they eliminated the problem for her for free. Christmas tree farms keep cats for the same reason.
@southerner66 If you think a ton of people don't view cats as pests, you're pretty simple. What kind of line of logic is that? I don't give a crap about what some cats have done for you. It's about what their doing for me that earns them the need to be eliminated. I won't even entertain that "show gratitude' nonsense anymore. You did NOT answer my question about the ferals, 'logical wise hunter'. Looks like nature doesn't apply to what you find cute and fluffy.
@ebolaoutkast I know that ignorant people consider cats pests Also, it's not what cats have done for me; it's what they've done through their partnership with us, the human species. I don't care if you won't entertain the idea of gratitude for thousands of years of service, but that tells me a lot about you. Bow hunting feral cats would not be very practical: small target, wasted arrows, little meat. Deer: large target, more meat, fewer car collisions. You can't win this, but keep trying.
@southerner66 Ok, you're right for once. There are better ways to kill cats. But ew, I'm not eating them, I'm eradicating 'pests', like the evil voles. But if a Korean restaurant want em be my guest. People who like song birds out number the freaks who don't, and would rather have the place filled with non-native cats to avoid some natural poop. I don't mind deer hunting as long as it's used well. Even some people who like cats don't want them running rampant, hence TNR. You're one of a kind.
@ebolaoutkast No... the point is that if you killed a deer in your backyard and ate the whole thing, no one would care. Or if you shot a quale or wild turkey. Cats are human companions and it is taboo to kill / eat predators or companion animals. If you kill a prey animal for food, whats the big deal except possible legal consequence? Louie killed a prey animal--- bird species find their way in his packaged food all the time; its just a matter of which source it came from.
@ebolaoutkast For the LAST time I am gonna try to get through to your dense skull. You are obviously a disturbed human, constantly talking about killing cats is not normal and u need mental help. There is NO difference in an animal being slaughtered and put in cat food than a cat eating a bird. Eating a bird means cat eats less MEAT cat food later. Inevitably, this lessens the demand for cat food so the free-range bird it caught substituted cruel animal slaughter elsewhere. GET IT? Now F OFF!
@jmilber These nutcases are the same ones that would protest hunting and then go home to eat chicken raised in wire cages on factory farms. I doubt they will ever get the point. If cat owners are coldly logical and pragmatic about such things, so much the better for us. I've been thinking about bow-hunting one of the many deer that come into my yard and feeding the cats venison. I'm sure these nuts would start screaming, "No! Don't kill Bambi!"
@southerner66 Haha. How about a bow hunt ferals, who are absolutely not native here, and SHOULD be eradicated 1000x more than overpopulated deer. Let's see how coldy logical you are, or are you just a simple cat bitch.
@ebolaoutkast You strategically forget that I wrote logical AND pragmatic. Example: when I moved into the house where I live, the old lady who had lived here had been feeding the birds. I thought the urine smell in the house was from incontinence, but it turned out to be mice who'd brought pounds of bird seed inside under the kitchen counters, which had to be ripped out and replaced. With three cats, I no longer have that problem.
@southerner66 Sigh. Just admit you're a 'cat person' who thinks you have the right to unleash your pets on everyone else's property and wildlife because of how 'special' they are. No one views songbirds as pests. If you keep your cat inside to eliminate pests, fine. Not OUTSIDE. Guess what, mice belong outside, and animals couldn't survive without them.
@ebolaoutkast First, you can shove your mannered, condescending "sighing." Second, I know plenty of people who can't stand birds crapping all over their cars. Third, if you look outside your myopic assumptions, you'll find that there's a whole industry devoted to various devices to keep birds of any sort from making a mess of outdoor structures. I come from a farming background, and we understand what pests mice can be.
@southerner66 Lol. I suppose people who cant stand birds crapping are not 'ignorant' like those who respect wildlife, and dislike invasive domesticated species, Why don't we just wipe all these annoying animals off our land and replace it with domesticated fare. Let's kill all the birds to keep their poop off out lighted store signs. Let's mow down the woods for our houses and then continue to wipe it clean of dirty wild animals. Wow, there are some deluded cat owners that's for sure.
@ebolaoutkast You said, confidently and categorically, "no one view song birds as pests." You're simply wrong. I don't view them that way, but Google "bird deterrents," and you'll find a long list of companies devoted to selling such products. Also, if you're growing blueberries, figs, tomatoes, or other kinds of fruit, birds, whether they sing or not, can be pests. And birds can decimate newly seeded fields. Again, I'm neutral in this; I'm just refuting you--with evidence.
@southerner66 How can you tell me people view birds as pests, when you yourself claimed that cats aren't? Why don't you look up 'cat repellent'? Just as, if not more numerous than birds, so you killed your own previous argument. I'm not unaware that specific birds have annoyed people, I have a garden, but the products for them are HUMANE. Who kills songbirds? So people might throw some netting over their berry bushes. It doesn't make them as harmful as cats.
@ebolaoutkast What kind of loon wants birds dead because they eat berries or land on statues? That is highly unethical. When my dog attacks voles she gets her butt kicked. I thought hunters had some sort of respect for the environment. I draw the line at animals that can kill me, but all other wildlife don't deserve this gross treatment.
@ebolaoutkast Here's another perfect example of your lack of perspective. You pat yourself on the back for keeping your dog from killing a couple of voles, which is, in the greater scheme of things, utterly useless and pointless, other than serving your own ego. What's important to the environment--and to wildlife--is saving woodlands, rivers, and wetlands. Cat predation is an emotion-driven non-issue in comparison to suburban sprawl and ecosystem fragmentation.
@southerner66 Those are other issues, so why don't we wipe out small animals because it's secondary. Not everything is only about the environment anyway. It's called 'respect for life', and I don't kill things if it won't be for necessary food. Gee, in the 'broad scheme of things' should I care more about an industrialized pathetic consuming person who kills for fun more than a harmless vole? A pull of the leash is not worth saving an animal's life. Unless it's a CAT. I think we're done here.
@ebolaoutkast Yes, we are done because you've run out of anything substantial to say. I will say that I distinguish between wild animals and a cat--or a dog--which is likely to be someone's pet, on which they've probably spent a lot of money, based on the current price of veterinary care, and in which they probably have a considerable emotional investment. At UCLA, I found a lost dog and called its owner--turned out to be John Lithgow. What an odd thing for me, a heartless cat partisan, to do.
@southerner66 Yes, I find you, typically may I add, exceptionally heartless, because your compassion for animals ends at domesticated species of your choosing. Wildlife is either a nuisance or food.
@ebolaoutkast Thank you. I know you don't mean 'heartless' as a compliment, but I take it as one because, in my opinion, people thinking with their hearts rather than their heads usually do a lot more harm than good despite their good intentions. Somehow, I can't see you shedding any tears for the poor, defenseless earthworms that the mean, vicious birds are eating, so let's not pretend that your compassion is boundless either.
@southerner66 You can't see me shedding tears for an earthworm? Ha...ha. You don't know me. I care more about bugs than anyone. Visit my page lol. Although I don't like bugs getting eaten, that's nature (which I hate but can't stop). And those birds aren't someone's pets, unlike cats. THAT'S thinking with your head.
@ebolaoutkast OK, let me get this straight: you "hate" nature because animals of any description prey on other animals of any description? Wow. Did you ever stop to consider that, perhaps, you are projecting your own, very historically and culturally specific, human values and concerns onto situations to which they are fundamentally inapplicable? Just a thought... Nature has been around a bit longer than you have.
@southerner66 Frankly, it doesn't matter. What DOES matter, is that I'm not a big enough dumbass to let my pet out to kill and play with wildlife unnecessarily. If you don't support ethics, than my logic won't apply to you. But that also means you support people killing cats.
@ebolaoutkast We've been over this before. I am capable of distinguishing between pets/companion animals/livestock and wildlife, as farmers and pet owners have been doing for thousands of years. I didn't let my 14lb. cat attack my friend's 4lb. miniature poodle when he brought it into my house and let the dog loose without thinking. But I doubt a wild rabbit cares whether it's being pursued by a hawk (which happens around here) or a cat.
@southerner66 I'll try to make this more clear. Small animals have to avoid predatation from hawks. true. But now, they must avoid twice as much predatation from hawks, AND people's uncared for, bored, domesticated cats who kill for fun. They are dying for no reason (or a stupid one). Just yesterday I divereted a bored cat's attention away from a chipmunk it caught. Just sad.
@ebolaoutkast Again, with the phrase "killing for fun," you're projecting a pattern of human motivations and emotional rewards onto cat behavior. You show that you can't distinguish between human ethics (such as they are) and natural predator behavior. And I qualify "human ethics" because, based on your position, you might as well go protest in front of every house where the family is having chicken for dinner.
@southerner66 All these exchanges we've had and you just now come out as some kind of cat activist, just like I assessed you as. Cats are absolutely killing for fun. What else are they supposed to do if their not in a caring owners home who provides them proper stimulation? This is NOT natural 'predator behavior' because I've never seen a wild animal discard their prey decapitated. This doesn't usually apply to ferals, that is another situation. I am -not- blaming the cat, I'm blaming the OWNER.
@ebolaoutkast So THAT is where the ethical debate stands. Your thesis is, to be light, bullshit. Stop pretending that pet cats are just outside out of our control. They get their sustenance from the food they are provided. Any other animals killed are unnecessary. What about this is so difficult for you to process? You obviously have some bias over cats which is extremely common with people who can't think beyond cultural acceptation. Throw that and that idiot drogo in your article.
@ebolaoutkast If you're unaware that predators in the wild kill things and only eat part of them or just kill for practice or territoriality, that's your own ignorance on display. Maybe you should watch the National Geographic channel. Check out the killer whale documentaries. And, once again, you show us what an abstract, idealized view of nature you have. In the wild, even if the predator doesn't eat the prey, some scavenger will come along and have a meal of it.
@southerner66 Ok, I definitely know about killer whales, that's why I dislike them. However, don't take my word for it, EVERYONE knows well-fed cats kill for fun. Listen to this logic: An animal who has enough to eat doesn't need to eat what it kills. A FERAL cat does usually kill for food. But a PET CAT does not (and if it does, it doesn't 'need' to). Please tell me you don't disagree with that : l There's no reason for more animals to be killed when we have enough to eat, that's just stupid.
@ebolaoutkast And no I'm not getting into a killer whale debate here, this has been overinflated as it is. The basis of this debate is, does eating meat justify killing beyond your eating needs? Should I just run outside and throw rocks at birds for fun?
@ebolaoutkast A bird a pet cat eats outside, SUBSTITUTES a MEAT meal it gets at home later. Are you a vegetarian? Do you strictly limit the amount of meat per week you eat? Are you REALLY this passionate when it comes to someone eating a 2nd burger when they are already kinda full? Or are you as you appear to be--- someone who gets overly emotional by watching a video of an animal being hunted, and tricks them-self that it is SOOOO much worse than animals killed for cat food, or for DINNER
@jmilber Let me ask you this, if I said yes to your questions would you then agree? No? Then I don't want to hear that. And as I've explained before, pets cats don't kill for hunger, they do it because they are not being stimulated by their owners and it's just an instinct. Taking a few bites out of their prey doesn't mean it should have occured, and it all will NOT occur if the animal is kept inside, which is what I advocate, for the cat's saftey as well.
@ebolaoutkast If you said YES to some of those questions, I would realize I am arguing with someone who has conflicting moral beliefs about eating meat in general, not someone who is confused by graphic images of hunting which invoke emotions from them leading to naive statements-- statements that show you just cant handle the reality of mother nature. Louie ate that ENTIRE bird; not wasting a single strand of meat. If I bought my cat a chicken to eat, would you be making such a fuss?
@jmilber Lol this is not 'graphic'. I deal with this crap all the time, and just the other week, I *easily* distracted a cat away from a chipmunk, that would have been played with and causually killed/discarded if it wasn't for me. No feral would allow that to happen. You think it's easy taking my stance on things? No one ever uses their brains. If you brought your cat a live chicken, yes I would. If you were a hunter who collected food for your pet who lived inside, no I wouldn't.
@ebolaoutkast I'll add, food must be killed an humanely as possible ALWAYS. And if possible, you shouldn't be hunting species that are threatened. It's not like a cat can distinguish between that. They can play inside with you and a ball of yarn, or they can play with a living bird alone. It makes NO difference to them.
@ebolaoutkast Stop avoiding my ?? that I asked 10X already. Why is ME hunting meat, or me buying my cat store meat, more humane than my cat hunting food itself? Those birds in SF are NOT endangered they are abundant. Dont say it's unnecessary; cat ate the whole bird & a meal is a meal; it was either that bird or meat from a can.
A cat hunting live prey is the ONLY humane natural method--- the bird lived a full happy life until then; much better than the horrid meat industry.
@jmilber I did not avoid your question. If you are claiming your cat eats birds in place of cat food, it almost works in theory, HOWEVER, as I've said it isn't this act alone it's the act of having the cat outside, in which the cat cannot distinguish between species and -will- kill for fun. Far more animals will be killed as opposed to the cat being indoors. It is not a humane method. Most cats will subject their prey to torture because they are (supposedly) cared for and well fed.
@jmilber I think Ms. Outkast needs to spend a month in a commercial poultry farm, preferably in one of the wire-floor cages. After that, she can work on her stated dislike of killer whales and all the other predators who don't observe her strict rules for acceptable predation.
@southerner66 I'm sure I stated before, I don't support inhumane conditions in farms. I'm sure after several more posts, you'll forget I've ever said this, as you've done repeatedly. YOU really need to work on your dislike for animals that never did anything to you. That's more than I can say for outdoor cats, who have annoyed me more than any bird or small rodent, including taking their victims to wildlife rehabbers. Honor the alliance my ass.
@ebolaoutkast its been like a month. Move on with your life and stop spamming my video. You beat around the bush with bullshit analogies that don't even relate, dismiss everyone's arguments as name calling, screaming, etc which you do CONSTANTLY. You pretend to care about animals and life, but you advocate killing cats with bows and arrows. Its pointless to argue with you bcuz ur views are totally skewed (anti-mother nature, inconsistent views on meat eating). Stop wasting are time; go away.
@jmilber Another one of these simpleton attempts to create a 'summary' about how wrong I am with zero facfs. And I do advocate euthanasia instead of freeing animals to wreak havoc, but NOT with bow and arrows, which is stupid, and is the method of killing brought up by 'southerner', who thinks we can be cruel to animals we haven't formed an 'alliance' with. You cat people will try to spin ANY crazy reasoning to support the cruelty of species that aren't your pets.
@ebolaoutkast But also including violating our rights to not have your pets roam on our property and off the property of their owners. I can't be blamed for calling you out on your dumb ass 'logic'.
@ebolaoutkast I've already posted like 10 posts of facts to you and all you do it evade it, so that msg was a plee for you to go away so people can comment on my video without ur 100s of msgs. You paint this picture of cat owners turning their vicious animals amuck to cause havoc- digging up flowers, killing everything in sight. Usually, it is a cat who ESCAPED the house and IF that cat is an avid hunter, 99% of the time it kills a rodent. A bird hunt is rare. This concept of cats being pests
@jmilber I didn't evade anything. I directly respond to everything that's been said here, none of you comprehend my answers because they don't follow the dogma of people's pathetic following. Why bring up escaped cats? I'm talking about free-roaming cats, let out by their owners like this one. If they kill in the house that can't be prevented, and that's not what upsets me. And mice are unwanted there, but they don't deserve to be killed outside where they belong.
@ebolaoutkast stupid illusion of yours. They serve more good to the world comforting ppl & killing rodents than so called flower digging and killing (usually their kill substitutes a meal, is a rodent, and from escaped cats). I think everyone agrees that it is amoral to provoke cats to kill birds for sheer fun- if thats all ur tryna say, we can agree. To turn a hunted meal into something horrid, or to overreact about an occasional accident, especially when u eat meat is illogical.
@jmilber You -cannot- speak for me regarding that comfort nonsense. So if that's your excuse I have the right to eliminate them. They bother me and birds/rodents do not. If I didn't eat meat that wouldn't satisfy you, so stop bringing that up, because I've stated repeatedly I'm not against meat, I'm against the unethical production of it, or unnecessary killing with people's pets stemming from their improper husbandry. Try to learn what the means.
@AnimeRelated420 Looks like jmilber's conscious came a-knockin, and to chase away the discomfort he blocked the truth. What a pussy (no pun intended, haha).
I'll shut my face when you unshut your brain, dumbass. Go read more brain cell-killing magna.
@Gimiock What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously dude lay off the drugs, what you just wrote makes NO sense whatsoever. I can't be insulted by something I can't understand.
@ebolaoutkast You're "not unaware that specific birds have annoyed people"? LOL. It's hilarious watching you try to backpedal as fast as you can. As for cats being harmful, I guess it's a matter of perspective. If you're a farmer making your living selling your produce at market, birds that damage that produce might seem a lot more harmful than the cat that keeps mice out of the chicken feed in the barn.
@southerner66 o_o You're mad if you think I'm down at all in this 'debate'. I just told you, you shot yourself in the foot in an argument that is actually not even relevant to my point. I repeat, IRRELEVANT because it doesn't negate what I say. If you would like to shit upon the environment even more, then you will never agree with me. I don't live in a farm area. I bet 'Louie' doesn't either. These retards need to keep their cats indoors. That's responsible ownership for the cats AND wildlife.
@ebolaoutkast And in James Fenmore Cooper's 1823 novel, The Pioneers, the reason the people of the town of Templeton give for their mass "slaughter of the pigeons" is that the huge flocks of birds repeatedly destroy their wheat crops. I only cite this to give historical context to the idea that not everyone considers birds harmless. (Cooper's sympathies, of course, are not with the farmers.)
@ebolaoutkast Your logic is so frayed and ridiculous. Its impossible to argue with you because your examples are not even CLOSELY related to the reality of the situation. A cat eating a bird vs some mentally disturbed loser bow hunting cats? Advocating the eradication of all cats; one of the most loved pets in the world? Animals who lower blood pressure and comfort the old and sick? Whats the real reason you hate cats so much, because you havn't touched on a coherent response to my argument
@ebolaoutkast R u purposely missing the point? A human bow hunting a feral isnt closely related to a CAT hunting a BIRD for a meal. Bird meat is a socially acceptable food, its just a matter of how it arrived at the plate. Bow hunting ferals is cruel and unnecessary; when ferals get out of hand, they are euthanized and society accepts the necessity for that. Cat hunting a bird is no more cruel than the horrid conditions farmed bird meat endures.. actually, it is MORE humane by 5-10X.
@ebolaoutkast Dude....you should REALLY just stop talking. You obviously have no fucking idea WHAT you're talking about. You bitch and moan and make ludicrous and asinine arguments that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Quit trying to sound intelligent or that you even have a clue about some of the shit that you have typed out. You fail at arguments, you fail at thinking, and you fail at life. Piss off.
@ebolaoutkast Wow....I'M the simpleton. This coming from the insane bastard who wants to slaughter cats. And you honestly think that you have been winning the argument against jmilber with the whole "oh at least he tried" shit? Wow, dude....just...wow. Now I know that your a damn nutjob.
@drogothlord Yes of course I've 'won'. Although the quality of this winning is debatable since I've also effectively wasted my time, and my prize is a barrage of cursing and insults from babies (and hopefully not back up accounts) who see the logic of my statements and piss and moan because they have clue what else to do about it. This is an attempt of your little brain to cope.
@ebolaoutkast You haven't wasted your time at all. I'm writing an article that involves people who are irrationally bent out of shape by cat behavior, and you've given me lots of useful material to help flesh out the psychological profile I'm constructing. The part where you stated that all predation upsets you was particularly enlightening. I appreciate how easy you are to provoke. It makes my job much easier.
@southerner66 If you can just take a moment, and actually address what I say for once, instead of spinning this debate out of control with other factors, that would be a unique experience amongst with all these cat people I argue with. Do NOT just constantly bring up meat-eating, I'm tired of addressing that again and AGAIN. Because people just abandon the subject and try to pursue another subject they think they can win, as shown by everyone here.
@ebolaoutkast No one could ever "win" a debate with you because you argue based on an idealized, fictional account of the natural world that operates on rules that you make up as you go to suit your own sensibility. You want everything to happen for "reasons" that make sense *to you.* I would wager that such deep-seated naivete is incurable.
@southerner66 You're half right. Morals and ethics are somewhat idealized and fictitious. However it's what would cause me to believe that you wouldn't deserve to be beaten or killed for no reason. Or your cats. So you can argue 2 things here, that ethics can't apply to anyone, or they can't apply to animals. You can't pick and choose which animals deserve ethics. Would you walk away if you saw a dog torturing a feral cat? What do you people have against birds anyway?
@ebolaoutkast Here's the problem with your argument: you want "ethics" (as if ethics is one thing) to apply universally, in which case you should be just as upset about the chicken your neighbor ate tonight as you are about a cat eating a cardinal. But, you've said that meat eating is not what the argument is about, so you're obviously making distinctions between different types of animals. So, let's start there--see next post.
@southerner66 I should really now ignore you since you've brought up the same point again tirelessly. Saying I want ethics to apply universally is a lie. You're lying to yourself, a characteristic I lack. I don't have a problem with chickens killed humanely for cats and humans. I DO have a problem with free-roaming pets, and especially when they kill for fun. See the difference? It's your responsibility to provide food responsibly for you and your pets.
@ebolaoutkast Why? Our populations and our pets, who aren't native, are too numerous anyway. Letting cats out to kill animals for fun is stupid. And don't try to deny cats killing for fun. Everyone freaking knows this, and I've seen it. Case closed. It's also not good for the cats. Responsible pet ownership involves the animal staying on your property unless supervised. Don't make me repeat myself for the umpteenth time. This is more involved than meat eating.
@ebolaoutkast Humans have historically forged cooperative relationships with other species: dogs, cats, horses, etc... And because of the nature of those relationships, we have accorded them special treatment. My ethic is a simple matter of honoring an alliance. Can the most avid bird watcher really tell one cardinal from another? Do the birds give a damn about them? I doubt it. You claim to care equally about all life--about every bug--but we both know you don't. No one does. Why pretend?
@southerner66 If you can attribute them a high status for helping us, I can attribute them a pest status for being well, pests. And when they raid people's bird feeders, dig up their flowers, and annoy the hell out of me, that's pest behavior. You think I can tell CATS apart? You're a joke. What a horrible excuse to justify allowing your pet to maul wildlife. The concept that they can feel pain is lost on you. Let's just hope you're not re-incarnated as an animal you abuse.
@ebolaoutkast All I can tell you is that though my cats spend most of their time outside in my driveway, my neighbors tell me how much they LIKE having my cats in their yard. My next-door neighbor credits them with saving her hedges when her hedges were being killed by voles eating the roots. She used to joke about how much she owed me for their services! If my neighbors objected to it, I'd do something about it. I have bird feeders, up on steel poles, and the cats ignore them.
@southerner66 All I can tell you is, your situation isn't mine. I see my neighbor's cats go after birds. I've rescued 2 baby rabbits from them. I don't want to see anything get killed for a pet's game. They are vertebrates like cats who can feel the pain when they are played with to death. They don't deserve this crap treatement for not being born a human-favored cat. And I'm sure you've heard countless incidents of sleeping cats being crushed by cars. Not a nice way to go.
@ebolaoutkast You havn't WON ANYTHING! You've convinced ANYONE of ANYTHING other than the fact you are mentally disturbed and we have all wasted our time arguing with a loon like you. You've discredited yourself but advocating the slaughter of cats, and condemning the reality of predation in nature. Instead of providing a coherent argument on ANYTHING, you make self professed claims to winning this argument & insult peoples intelligence who make great points to you which you cant respond too
@jmilber Not in the mood for a dimwitted screaming match with the likes of you. I'm no longer responding to posts which INSIST I'm wrong with no evidence, and uses caps to re-enforce that. Repeating myself has taken this from a hobby to an irritance. I'm only responding now to any actual adressing of my arguement.
@ebolaoutkast All of us you twat. And by the way, when you said "piss and moan because they have clue" did you mean "have a clue"? I assume. Anyways, your just wasting my time. I don't know why I even bother. People like you are the reason that the youtube community can suck massive amounts of balls. Go ahead and respond to the comments all you like, I have better things to do than dick around with you all year.
@drogothlord No, I meant 'have no clue'. You in particular are in sick in the head, if mental clarity is an indication of health. I hope southern doesn't resort to your level because my experiences with cat-predation supporters have not been flattering.
@ebolaoutkast ONCE AGAIN your small brain ceases to grasp the concept that when you eat DEAD animals, they were once ALIVE and were slaughtered... often in the cruelest of conditions you could imagine. Trust me, any animal would prefer to live free and one day become the prey of a predator than to live stuffed in a cage all its life in sick diseased miserable conditions and eventually be slaughtered. I cant keep beating this dead horse, you are too dense and stubborn to see this SIMPLE LOGIC
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I have video of three crows pecking, mutalating and destroying a starving injured kitten in a feild by my house. I am posting it today on youtube, nature is so cuel at times.
xchrome02 3 weeks ago
My cat will never kill such a cute thing he is trained
sanrioofficalfan 3 weeks ago
I was being nice to a street cat letting it inside cuz it was raining and it jumped and attack my birds and ate one of them so I threw a bucket at it
sanrioofficalfan 3 weeks ago
This is why I killed my neighbors cat.....kept killing birds and squirrels in my yard !!!!
xchrome02 1 month ago
!great hunter!
cbouiebvo 2 months ago
Way to go Louie!
79barkingspider 2 months ago
NOM NOM NOM NOM
darkx437 3 months ago
There is a stray cat that comes by my house every once and a while for food and I had nothing to give it. An hour later I find her in my driveway literally eating a baby rabbit brains out.
ZeroG004 4 months ago
@TheDimandkitty that cat deserves to be run over by fluffy clouds and catnip
josjikawa 4 months ago
If somebody else's cat kills my pet bird, do i have a right to set loose my dog to kill it when it sneaks inside my property again? Its the law of nature right? Or do you guys think that only cats have the right to kill?
ev0se7en 6 months ago
@ev0se7en if it poses a harm to yourself then maybe so
FR3DisGAY 5 months ago
i bet he's a great snake cat.
MissMaddy881 7 months ago
@TheDimandkitty my cat killed a bird yesterday. it was a blue jay, and it was eating her food.
MissMaddy881 7 months ago
Beautiful cat!! But what was with the sound track???
LittleMissAlleyCat 7 months ago
Dude, good going cat! That bird is prolly better for the cat than half the shit you can buy in cat food for it.
attaia 8 months ago
dude ur sick what the fuck is up wit ur singin also
ROBandTHEfuzz 10 months ago
I have never seen a bird look sorry for itself when it becomes the prey of another animal or man.but the cat will howl and shit itself when its is caught in a trap.bravo to my little fox terrier.
mealy777 11 months ago
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I wish your cat gets hit by a car!! WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with you?? Letting that filthy rubbish walking down the street?
moger999 11 months ago
@moger999 Get a life and stop playing gay video games you jap-queer. I hope you and your family get radiation poisoning from your shit-hole country's nuke plants--- the only filthy rubbish is you
jmilber 11 months ago 3
@jmilber
I'm sorry but I do have a life, I never play Video Games( I am just interested in them) and TOKYO DOESNT HAVE RADIATION POISONING!!! Please learn before you talk, dumbass!
moger999 11 months ago
@moger999 fucking moron
DOMIDOOM 7 months ago
@moger999 What exactly did you expect to see when you clicked on a video titled "cat eats bird after hunting and killing it?" Clearly you couldn't handle watching this video. And sorry, cats hunt like any other predator.
KgirlHasTheWits 7 months ago
@moger999 You, shut your pie whole you walking talking lump of crap
jmilber 7 months ago
@moger999 scared of nature are we?
josjikawa 4 months ago
my cat alwyas kills birds when she has kittens i think she is trying to teach them how to do it ive seen her catch crows before
ty4mem 11 months ago
love watching my cat kill. It is 1st hand Animal Planet!
daboodeef179 1 year ago
KALIMAH KALIMAH!!!
SenjuNidaime 1 year ago
that bird is still alive
gurindernikka1 1 year ago
Ha! my cat trys to drag pigeons through the catflap to give as a 'lovely' gift :D
tweakiepop 1 year ago
A cat follows it's instinct, and is villified.... Nothing could be more natural, and closer to nature, and people can't handle it. These are the ones that would be the first to go should society collapse.
danlc95 1 year ago 13
@danlc95 If society collapsed, you would be the first one to turn to eating cat meat. I know your kind!
jmilber 1 year ago 5
@jmilber how do you know anyone's kind? its youtube. that's a pretty big judgement for someone to say
DOMIDOOM 7 months ago
@danlc95 my cat just hunted 1. it also killed a crow a few weeks ago
FR3DisGAY 5 months ago
@danlc95 So by your logic, i suppose i shouldnt be feeling so bad that my dog killed the neighbor's cat. Its nature right?
ev0se7en 5 months ago
@ev0se7en No...that is YOUR logic, not OUR logic. No one said anything about purposely killing someone's pet. Cat's are predators, and birds are prey. Cat's are not the natural prey of dog's, dog's just like to chase them and hurt them for fun. They don't eat them, and they are not part of their diet. Allowing a dog to sport-kill an intelligent predator companion animal like a cat is inhumane. A cat eating a bird is part of nature everyday. We don't provoke it, but it happens.
jmilber 5 months ago
@jmilber I did not say anything about purposely letting my dog kill a cat. The cat sneaked into my yard and my dog killed it. Its not like i witnessed the whole thing and allowed it to happen nor did i train my dog to kill cats. The animal simply did it because its what it was hardwired to do. In case you don't know, dogs descended from wolves which are known to hunt other animals, especially ones that are smaller than themselves. Therefore, i think its safe to say that the dog did was natural.
ev0se7en 5 months ago
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@jmilber I understand that you love cats, but like what danlc95 said (i modified it a bit to avoid being biased): "an animal follows it's instinct, and is villified.... Nothing could be more natural, and closer to nature, and people can't handle it."
ev0se7en 5 months ago
lol @ the muslim music..reminds me of a beheading
gogitta25 1 year ago
Cats should be fed a vegan diet instead of this artificial raw bird diet...
manco82 1 year ago
@manco82 for a split second i thought you were serious. lol I thought society had fallen very far from reality. lol
enoughraptor6 1 year ago
@manco82 lol, made my day :)
TheDplo 10 months ago
if only that was justin bieber instead of that bird...
grip07PM 1 year ago
when my cat eats a bird he makes a noise like he saying yum yum hmmmmm
ACHEESEDANISH00 1 year ago
But FINALLY to comment on the video, it looks like your cat is an avid hunter, much like mine. My cat just caught a bird last week. (Your cat is very pretty by the way)
drogothlord 1 year ago
@drogothlord Thanks. Louie usually kills mice; that is the first bird I saw him get. He's actually not my cat, but my cat's best friend. He's a neighborhood cat who comes to our house almost everynight to visit / wrestle my cat Scraps, and eat tuna and get stoned on Cat Nip.
jmilber 1 year ago
Why are people upset because the cat is acting like a cat? This is how cats have survived for thousands of years. It's no different than us chopping off a turkey's head for Thanksgiving, or a father taking his son fishing. Granted, I don't like to see domestic cats (who are fed regularly) kill birds but you cant stop them from being cats.
zazozung 1 year ago
@zazozung Yes you can. They can/should be kept indoors. That's what pet ownership is.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast "They can/should be kept indoors. That's what pet ownership is." This is a perfect example of your unabashed arrogance. In two short sentences, you redefine 8-10,000 years of the history of cooperative interaction between two entire species and make one rule to govern everyone, no matter what their specific circumstances are.
southerner66 1 year ago
I DO NOT support the "horrid conditions farmed bird meat endures".
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@MintOrtizzle Yea there was like nothing left when Louie was done except the head. He ate the hair, bones, organs, and all! It was a phenomenal site.
jmilber 1 year ago
Careless car owners in my area have been responsible for a number of cat deaths recently due to the irresponsible storage of,
Ethylyne Glycol (automotive anti-freeze) which due to its sweet syrupy nature cats love. On ingestion it oxidises to Glycolic Acid, which in turn oxidises to form Oxalic Acid which is toxic and deadly to cats, (even in small amounts) and causes heart failure.
Be aware of this and take care when using Anti-Freeze this winter!!!!!!!!!
BradBrassman 1 year ago
Microscopic amounts of feline feces is all it takes Einstien, which seems to be everywhere due to free roaming cats like yours.
You might also like to read what FWS and your local State Wildlife Dept. thinks of Kitty.
If your retarded enough to think a person has to eat feces to contract Toxoplasmosis then perhaps to failed to comprehend what you read.
As I doubt you knew anything about it before i mentioned it.
I'm done with you. You don't possess the intellect to continue converstion.
RoadCaptainEntertain 1 year ago
Hey how about if I come to your house and crawl inside your car and rip the seats to shreds then urinate all over it then I have sex with your daughter (she doesn't have to consent) then I take a crap on your front doorstep. Then my feces (which I leave anywhere i choose) causes your unborn child severe lifelong birth defects.
But i'm so cute I can't be held accountable because it's in my nature to do such things!
RoadCaptainEntertain 1 year ago
@RoadCaptainEntertain Lol can you even name the bird species? The uninformed one is you... look at these ramblings of a mad man. Toxplasmosis... LOL.. transmitted by "Ingestion of contaminated cat feces" - A true threat to society! Your neighbor should be visited by social services if her child eats cat shit. Cats dig & cover holes for bathroom use, rid the streets of vermin (birds are rare, mice are easier hunt) & hurt no one (except your crackpot neighbor whose kid tongue fucks cat ass)
jmilber 1 year ago
@jmilber The response of a true intellect who has more feelings for a 10 cent cat than a human child. As I said before there is no point in trying to reason with a cat owner as they always have an excuse for there pets being pests as you demonstrate so well.
Believe it or not indiginous animals took care of the vermin problem before kitty was introduced and upset the ecosystem.
I'm done with you........typical cat owner mentality and no reasoning skills.
RoadCaptainEntertain 1 year ago
At least this bird had lived free and is actually becoming a meal. Life feeds on Life. This is no different than us having a meal of meat. The only difference is we are so far removed from the process of harvest. Bon Appetite Louie.
crbastow 1 year ago
@RoadCaptainEntertain Ha! You dismiss my argument as a rant since u cant argue against it. You think eating meat is ok so long as you ignore the process it took to get to ur plate. The only reason Louie having a Bird dinner is wrong to everyone is because they are WATCHING the slaughter. Tell me ONE good reason why it's so horrible for a cat to hunt and EAT a bird compared with buying one from a store? Awake from ur fantasy world where meat isn't the product of animal death and suffering.
jmilber 1 year ago
@jmilber well Sir I have been an avid outddorsman since before you were born. Not being a sissfied city dweller I know very well where meat comes from. You staement is based on assumption instead of facts.
I also noticed the bird killed in the video is a Migratory Game Species protected by State and Federal law (which doesn't seem to apply to cat owners).
I couldn't give a shit less how you feed your cat, what I do give a shit about is the introductipon of invasive non-native species.
RoadCaptainEntertain 1 year ago
@RoadCaptainEntertain Thank you!
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@jmilber Which similar to killer bees and fire ants have become not only a burdon on your neighbors but a public health issue. Perhaps you might llike to research toxoplasmosis which is transmitted by felines and the horrible birth defects it causes to human babies still in the womb.
One of my neighbors is currently dealing with her childs suffering as a result of the neighbors free roaming kitty.
Educate yourself and you may not appear uninformed.
RoadCaptainEntertain 1 year ago
This is the same mentality displayed by owners of Pit Bulldogs who love to see them rip some innocent creature to pieces.
Yet we don't allow Pit Bulls to roam at will using the excuse that it is their nature to kill. The argument that this is natural makes no sense.
RoadCaptainEntertain 1 year ago
@RoadCaptainEntertain Are u vegetarian? If not, u have no right to judge a cat for hunting itself a meal-- a free range natural bird. This is FAR MORE HUMANE than chicken forced hormones & grow so large bones break & r confined from birth to cramped filthy cages. Confinement drives them insane & they try 2 peck each other 2 death so their beaks are painfully cut off.
If I bought my cat chicken @ store, would you care? NO! Ignoramouses like u just dont wanna know where their meat came from.
jmilber 1 year ago
@jmilber The point I am making is that it only a matter of degree. Where do we draw the line? If I puchase a Couger or Pitt Bull do I have some God given right to let it roam at will and kill anything it chooses, of course not.
Let's try to practice responsable pet ownership.
The mentality of cat owners is beyond reason as they always have some excuse for their pets being pests.
I noticed your response is nothing more than a rant with name calling.......the sign of a true intellect.
RoadCaptainEntertain 1 year ago
@jmilber LOL. Talk about 'dismissing an argument'. I already explained to your ass the REASON why it's wrong. 'Louie' is a PET CAT not a WILD CAT. He is fed (hopefully, unless his owners are bigger pieces of shit than I thought) in the comfort oh his own home. If he gets what he needs to eat, any other animals killed for fun are killed for just that. It's no different from me deciding to kill and eat the bird. I'm not blaming the cat, I'm blaming the OWNERS.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@RoadCaptainEntertain How is an animal hunting and killing another animal not natural? How in the hell do you think lions get their food? They are carnivores you fool. They need to eat meat, they can't go out and make a goddamn salad if they get hungry outside.
GrumpyGuyProductions 1 year ago
@GrumpyGuyProductions So following this logic you feel ok with me moving in next to you and letting 3 very large PitBulldogs roam the neighborhood at will killing anything they please because it is in their nature to do so. Even though they are supposed to be domesticated and well fed at home?
Kitty can go inside and eat some Goddamn Cat food.
We are talking about a domestic animal and not a wild Lion...no comparison.
RoadCaptainEntertain 1 year ago
@RoadCaptainEntertain Well Though I am still in school, and I may be considered a damn dirty teenager, I believe that there is a difference in a cat merely eating a bird, and 3 pit bulls roaming around killing people, even though it's the same in principle. And I'm assuming you meant killing things as in people. And on a further note, your argument makes sense and I see where your coming from. But pit bulls only roam around like that due to careless and abusive owners.
GrumpyGuyProductions 1 year ago
@GrumpyGuyProductions Thank for the nice comment Sir.
RoadCaptainEntertain 1 year ago
@GrumpyGuyProductions I see from your channel that you are a kid still in school. Please enlighten us with some more pearls of your infinite wisdom.
RoadCaptainEntertain 1 year ago
@GrumpyGuyProductions SPEAKING of lions, somehow lions in many zoos are kept perfectly healthy and they do not ROAM free, nor are they offered living meals (some crappy zoos in china do this and it just creates suffering for the prey and fat lazy lions). How big of a fool must one be to think a house cat would suffer in a home when a lion can be content in captivity? Even if you think a lion is suffering, a housecat is domesticated and has far more advantage.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Thats true, that's true. You have a very good point, and so does that RoadCaptain guy. All I'm wondering is why everyone's making a big deal out of this...it's just a cat doing what cats do, it's not effecting you in any way. Now unless this bird is anyone's pet bird, why do you even care? Animals eat animals. That's the way things are there no changing it. And by the way, how do you know that a lion is content in captivity? Did it tell you?
GrumpyGuyProductions 1 year ago
@GrumpyGuyProductions Why not make a big deal out of this? Cats belong indoors. I don't think cat owners have the right to roam their pets around, and it impacts wildlife. I don't like animals dying for what I consider no reason. It upsets me greatly, and DOES impact me. How do you know the cat is content outside? Did it tell you? You just need typical animal observation skills to determine it's contentment.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Yes, because mountain lions are dreading their life wondering as far as they want in the fresh air, and desperately want to be put into containment. And please tell me your a vegetarian, or you would be the greatest hypocrite ever. And the fact that you are putting up an argument against the nature of things,of how things live is ridiculous.
GrumpyGuyProductions 1 year ago
@GrumpyGuyProductions Goddammit I thought you were understanding me here, and then you just revert to that same hot air emotional 'argument'. That same tired ass 'you BETTER be a vegetarian'. Like I haven't heard that 60,000 times. I'm wasting my time if you're going to ignore what I say. I spelled it out for you now address my argument or stfu. I am absolutely not a hypocrite. Try using your brain. Animals do fine in captivity. If you're not a peta freak you should probably agree.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@GrumpyGuyProductions Grumpy... there is no point arguing with these people. They are so stuck on their belief, they will never see the other side. All sane people understand the horrible conditions animals live in slaughter houses, and understand meat from safeway or petsmart is the product of dead animals & suffering. Ppl get emotional from the sight of a live hunt & cant put together that its the same thing as buying meat at the store. In fact, its more humane since the animal lived free.
jmilber 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Cats belong indoors--well, who died and made you God? I must have missed the memo. You don't like animals dying? Do you think they're immortal? Animals die all the time because, well, that's what happens to them, and to us. There's no "reason" for any of it. If the natural world of animals eating killing and eating other animals upsets you, it's only in contrast to the world of sentimental fantasy of "how things should be" that you've built for yourself.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 This video is so tiring with constant responders thinking they've got me sunk with arguments I've never heard. Your logic does not work unless you agree that we should have no standard in how we treat animals. You don't have to be 'God' just someone with decent morality. If I went and killed a cat to get it the f--- off my property, I'll smirk and say ANIMALS DIE ALL THE TIME teehee. It's natural for me to eradicate pests. Agree I'm entitled to this?
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Again, if you think cats are pests, you're just a moron. They've been providing a service for us for 8-10 thousand years. A little gratitude might be in order in line with your "decent morality." Another example: my neighbor's hedges were being killed by a vole infestation. She loves my cats (who only go out during daylight hours) because they eliminated the problem for her for free. Christmas tree farms keep cats for the same reason.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 If you think a ton of people don't view cats as pests, you're pretty simple. What kind of line of logic is that? I don't give a crap about what some cats have done for you. It's about what their doing for me that earns them the need to be eliminated. I won't even entertain that "show gratitude' nonsense anymore. You did NOT answer my question about the ferals, 'logical wise hunter'. Looks like nature doesn't apply to what you find cute and fluffy.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast I know that ignorant people consider cats pests Also, it's not what cats have done for me; it's what they've done through their partnership with us, the human species. I don't care if you won't entertain the idea of gratitude for thousands of years of service, but that tells me a lot about you. Bow hunting feral cats would not be very practical: small target, wasted arrows, little meat. Deer: large target, more meat, fewer car collisions. You can't win this, but keep trying.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 Ok, you're right for once. There are better ways to kill cats. But ew, I'm not eating them, I'm eradicating 'pests', like the evil voles. But if a Korean restaurant want em be my guest. People who like song birds out number the freaks who don't, and would rather have the place filled with non-native cats to avoid some natural poop. I don't mind deer hunting as long as it's used well. Even some people who like cats don't want them running rampant, hence TNR. You're one of a kind.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast No... the point is that if you killed a deer in your backyard and ate the whole thing, no one would care. Or if you shot a quale or wild turkey. Cats are human companions and it is taboo to kill / eat predators or companion animals. If you kill a prey animal for food, whats the big deal except possible legal consequence? Louie killed a prey animal--- bird species find their way in his packaged food all the time; its just a matter of which source it came from.
jmilber 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast For the LAST time I am gonna try to get through to your dense skull. You are obviously a disturbed human, constantly talking about killing cats is not normal and u need mental help. There is NO difference in an animal being slaughtered and put in cat food than a cat eating a bird. Eating a bird means cat eats less MEAT cat food later. Inevitably, this lessens the demand for cat food so the free-range bird it caught substituted cruel animal slaughter elsewhere. GET IT? Now F OFF!
jmilber 1 year ago
@jmilber These nutcases are the same ones that would protest hunting and then go home to eat chicken raised in wire cages on factory farms. I doubt they will ever get the point. If cat owners are coldly logical and pragmatic about such things, so much the better for us. I've been thinking about bow-hunting one of the many deer that come into my yard and feeding the cats venison. I'm sure these nuts would start screaming, "No! Don't kill Bambi!"
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 Haha. How about a bow hunt ferals, who are absolutely not native here, and SHOULD be eradicated 1000x more than overpopulated deer. Let's see how coldy logical you are, or are you just a simple cat bitch.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast You strategically forget that I wrote logical AND pragmatic. Example: when I moved into the house where I live, the old lady who had lived here had been feeding the birds. I thought the urine smell in the house was from incontinence, but it turned out to be mice who'd brought pounds of bird seed inside under the kitchen counters, which had to be ripped out and replaced. With three cats, I no longer have that problem.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 Sigh. Just admit you're a 'cat person' who thinks you have the right to unleash your pets on everyone else's property and wildlife because of how 'special' they are. No one views songbirds as pests. If you keep your cat inside to eliminate pests, fine. Not OUTSIDE. Guess what, mice belong outside, and animals couldn't survive without them.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast First, you can shove your mannered, condescending "sighing." Second, I know plenty of people who can't stand birds crapping all over their cars. Third, if you look outside your myopic assumptions, you'll find that there's a whole industry devoted to various devices to keep birds of any sort from making a mess of outdoor structures. I come from a farming background, and we understand what pests mice can be.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 Lol. I suppose people who cant stand birds crapping are not 'ignorant' like those who respect wildlife, and dislike invasive domesticated species, Why don't we just wipe all these annoying animals off our land and replace it with domesticated fare. Let's kill all the birds to keep their poop off out lighted store signs. Let's mow down the woods for our houses and then continue to wipe it clean of dirty wild animals. Wow, there are some deluded cat owners that's for sure.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast You said, confidently and categorically, "no one view song birds as pests." You're simply wrong. I don't view them that way, but Google "bird deterrents," and you'll find a long list of companies devoted to selling such products. Also, if you're growing blueberries, figs, tomatoes, or other kinds of fruit, birds, whether they sing or not, can be pests. And birds can decimate newly seeded fields. Again, I'm neutral in this; I'm just refuting you--with evidence.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 How can you tell me people view birds as pests, when you yourself claimed that cats aren't? Why don't you look up 'cat repellent'? Just as, if not more numerous than birds, so you killed your own previous argument. I'm not unaware that specific birds have annoyed people, I have a garden, but the products for them are HUMANE. Who kills songbirds? So people might throw some netting over their berry bushes. It doesn't make them as harmful as cats.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast What kind of loon wants birds dead because they eat berries or land on statues? That is highly unethical. When my dog attacks voles she gets her butt kicked. I thought hunters had some sort of respect for the environment. I draw the line at animals that can kill me, but all other wildlife don't deserve this gross treatment.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Here's another perfect example of your lack of perspective. You pat yourself on the back for keeping your dog from killing a couple of voles, which is, in the greater scheme of things, utterly useless and pointless, other than serving your own ego. What's important to the environment--and to wildlife--is saving woodlands, rivers, and wetlands. Cat predation is an emotion-driven non-issue in comparison to suburban sprawl and ecosystem fragmentation.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 Those are other issues, so why don't we wipe out small animals because it's secondary. Not everything is only about the environment anyway. It's called 'respect for life', and I don't kill things if it won't be for necessary food. Gee, in the 'broad scheme of things' should I care more about an industrialized pathetic consuming person who kills for fun more than a harmless vole? A pull of the leash is not worth saving an animal's life. Unless it's a CAT. I think we're done here.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Yes, we are done because you've run out of anything substantial to say. I will say that I distinguish between wild animals and a cat--or a dog--which is likely to be someone's pet, on which they've probably spent a lot of money, based on the current price of veterinary care, and in which they probably have a considerable emotional investment. At UCLA, I found a lost dog and called its owner--turned out to be John Lithgow. What an odd thing for me, a heartless cat partisan, to do.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 Yes, I find you, typically may I add, exceptionally heartless, because your compassion for animals ends at domesticated species of your choosing. Wildlife is either a nuisance or food.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Thank you. I know you don't mean 'heartless' as a compliment, but I take it as one because, in my opinion, people thinking with their hearts rather than their heads usually do a lot more harm than good despite their good intentions. Somehow, I can't see you shedding any tears for the poor, defenseless earthworms that the mean, vicious birds are eating, so let's not pretend that your compassion is boundless either.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 You can't see me shedding tears for an earthworm? Ha...ha. You don't know me. I care more about bugs than anyone. Visit my page lol. Although I don't like bugs getting eaten, that's nature (which I hate but can't stop). And those birds aren't someone's pets, unlike cats. THAT'S thinking with your head.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast OK, let me get this straight: you "hate" nature because animals of any description prey on other animals of any description? Wow. Did you ever stop to consider that, perhaps, you are projecting your own, very historically and culturally specific, human values and concerns onto situations to which they are fundamentally inapplicable? Just a thought... Nature has been around a bit longer than you have.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 Frankly, it doesn't matter. What DOES matter, is that I'm not a big enough dumbass to let my pet out to kill and play with wildlife unnecessarily. If you don't support ethics, than my logic won't apply to you. But that also means you support people killing cats.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast We've been over this before. I am capable of distinguishing between pets/companion animals/livestock and wildlife, as farmers and pet owners have been doing for thousands of years. I didn't let my 14lb. cat attack my friend's 4lb. miniature poodle when he brought it into my house and let the dog loose without thinking. But I doubt a wild rabbit cares whether it's being pursued by a hawk (which happens around here) or a cat.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 I'll try to make this more clear. Small animals have to avoid predatation from hawks. true. But now, they must avoid twice as much predatation from hawks, AND people's uncared for, bored, domesticated cats who kill for fun. They are dying for no reason (or a stupid one). Just yesterday I divereted a bored cat's attention away from a chipmunk it caught. Just sad.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Again, with the phrase "killing for fun," you're projecting a pattern of human motivations and emotional rewards onto cat behavior. You show that you can't distinguish between human ethics (such as they are) and natural predator behavior. And I qualify "human ethics" because, based on your position, you might as well go protest in front of every house where the family is having chicken for dinner.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 All these exchanges we've had and you just now come out as some kind of cat activist, just like I assessed you as. Cats are absolutely killing for fun. What else are they supposed to do if their not in a caring owners home who provides them proper stimulation? This is NOT natural 'predator behavior' because I've never seen a wild animal discard their prey decapitated. This doesn't usually apply to ferals, that is another situation. I am -not- blaming the cat, I'm blaming the OWNER.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast So THAT is where the ethical debate stands. Your thesis is, to be light, bullshit. Stop pretending that pet cats are just outside out of our control. They get their sustenance from the food they are provided. Any other animals killed are unnecessary. What about this is so difficult for you to process? You obviously have some bias over cats which is extremely common with people who can't think beyond cultural acceptation. Throw that and that idiot drogo in your article.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast If you're unaware that predators in the wild kill things and only eat part of them or just kill for practice or territoriality, that's your own ignorance on display. Maybe you should watch the National Geographic channel. Check out the killer whale documentaries. And, once again, you show us what an abstract, idealized view of nature you have. In the wild, even if the predator doesn't eat the prey, some scavenger will come along and have a meal of it.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 Ok, I definitely know about killer whales, that's why I dislike them. However, don't take my word for it, EVERYONE knows well-fed cats kill for fun. Listen to this logic: An animal who has enough to eat doesn't need to eat what it kills. A FERAL cat does usually kill for food. But a PET CAT does not (and if it does, it doesn't 'need' to). Please tell me you don't disagree with that : l There's no reason for more animals to be killed when we have enough to eat, that's just stupid.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast And no I'm not getting into a killer whale debate here, this has been overinflated as it is. The basis of this debate is, does eating meat justify killing beyond your eating needs? Should I just run outside and throw rocks at birds for fun?
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast A bird a pet cat eats outside, SUBSTITUTES a MEAT meal it gets at home later. Are you a vegetarian? Do you strictly limit the amount of meat per week you eat? Are you REALLY this passionate when it comes to someone eating a 2nd burger when they are already kinda full? Or are you as you appear to be--- someone who gets overly emotional by watching a video of an animal being hunted, and tricks them-self that it is SOOOO much worse than animals killed for cat food, or for DINNER
jmilber 1 year ago
@jmilber Let me ask you this, if I said yes to your questions would you then agree? No? Then I don't want to hear that. And as I've explained before, pets cats don't kill for hunger, they do it because they are not being stimulated by their owners and it's just an instinct. Taking a few bites out of their prey doesn't mean it should have occured, and it all will NOT occur if the animal is kept inside, which is what I advocate, for the cat's saftey as well.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast If you said YES to some of those questions, I would realize I am arguing with someone who has conflicting moral beliefs about eating meat in general, not someone who is confused by graphic images of hunting which invoke emotions from them leading to naive statements-- statements that show you just cant handle the reality of mother nature. Louie ate that ENTIRE bird; not wasting a single strand of meat. If I bought my cat a chicken to eat, would you be making such a fuss?
jmilber 1 year ago
@jmilber Lol this is not 'graphic'. I deal with this crap all the time, and just the other week, I *easily* distracted a cat away from a chipmunk, that would have been played with and causually killed/discarded if it wasn't for me. No feral would allow that to happen. You think it's easy taking my stance on things? No one ever uses their brains. If you brought your cat a live chicken, yes I would. If you were a hunter who collected food for your pet who lived inside, no I wouldn't.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast I'll add, food must be killed an humanely as possible ALWAYS. And if possible, you shouldn't be hunting species that are threatened. It's not like a cat can distinguish between that. They can play inside with you and a ball of yarn, or they can play with a living bird alone. It makes NO difference to them.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Stop avoiding my ?? that I asked 10X already. Why is ME hunting meat, or me buying my cat store meat, more humane than my cat hunting food itself? Those birds in SF are NOT endangered they are abundant. Dont say it's unnecessary; cat ate the whole bird & a meal is a meal; it was either that bird or meat from a can.
A cat hunting live prey is the ONLY humane natural method--- the bird lived a full happy life until then; much better than the horrid meat industry.
jmilber 1 year ago
@jmilber I did not avoid your question. If you are claiming your cat eats birds in place of cat food, it almost works in theory, HOWEVER, as I've said it isn't this act alone it's the act of having the cat outside, in which the cat cannot distinguish between species and -will- kill for fun. Far more animals will be killed as opposed to the cat being indoors. It is not a humane method. Most cats will subject their prey to torture because they are (supposedly) cared for and well fed.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@jmilber I think Ms. Outkast needs to spend a month in a commercial poultry farm, preferably in one of the wire-floor cages. After that, she can work on her stated dislike of killer whales and all the other predators who don't observe her strict rules for acceptable predation.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 I'm sure I stated before, I don't support inhumane conditions in farms. I'm sure after several more posts, you'll forget I've ever said this, as you've done repeatedly. YOU really need to work on your dislike for animals that never did anything to you. That's more than I can say for outdoor cats, who have annoyed me more than any bird or small rodent, including taking their victims to wildlife rehabbers. Honor the alliance my ass.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast its been like a month. Move on with your life and stop spamming my video. You beat around the bush with bullshit analogies that don't even relate, dismiss everyone's arguments as name calling, screaming, etc which you do CONSTANTLY. You pretend to care about animals and life, but you advocate killing cats with bows and arrows. Its pointless to argue with you bcuz ur views are totally skewed (anti-mother nature, inconsistent views on meat eating). Stop wasting are time; go away.
jmilber 1 year ago
@jmilber Another one of these simpleton attempts to create a 'summary' about how wrong I am with zero facfs. And I do advocate euthanasia instead of freeing animals to wreak havoc, but NOT with bow and arrows, which is stupid, and is the method of killing brought up by 'southerner', who thinks we can be cruel to animals we haven't formed an 'alliance' with. You cat people will try to spin ANY crazy reasoning to support the cruelty of species that aren't your pets.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast But also including violating our rights to not have your pets roam on our property and off the property of their owners. I can't be blamed for calling you out on your dumb ass 'logic'.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast I've already posted like 10 posts of facts to you and all you do it evade it, so that msg was a plee for you to go away so people can comment on my video without ur 100s of msgs. You paint this picture of cat owners turning their vicious animals amuck to cause havoc- digging up flowers, killing everything in sight. Usually, it is a cat who ESCAPED the house and IF that cat is an avid hunter, 99% of the time it kills a rodent. A bird hunt is rare. This concept of cats being pests
jmilber 1 year ago
@jmilber I didn't evade anything. I directly respond to everything that's been said here, none of you comprehend my answers because they don't follow the dogma of people's pathetic following. Why bring up escaped cats? I'm talking about free-roaming cats, let out by their owners like this one. If they kill in the house that can't be prevented, and that's not what upsets me. And mice are unwanted there, but they don't deserve to be killed outside where they belong.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast stupid illusion of yours. They serve more good to the world comforting ppl & killing rodents than so called flower digging and killing (usually their kill substitutes a meal, is a rodent, and from escaped cats). I think everyone agrees that it is amoral to provoke cats to kill birds for sheer fun- if thats all ur tryna say, we can agree. To turn a hunted meal into something horrid, or to overreact about an occasional accident, especially when u eat meat is illogical.
jmilber 1 year ago
@jmilber You -cannot- speak for me regarding that comfort nonsense. So if that's your excuse I have the right to eliminate them. They bother me and birds/rodents do not. If I didn't eat meat that wouldn't satisfy you, so stop bringing that up, because I've stated repeatedly I'm not against meat, I'm against the unethical production of it, or unnecessary killing with people's pets stemming from their improper husbandry. Try to learn what the means.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Shut your face, you inhuman scum.
AnimeRelated420 1 year ago
@AnimeRelated420 Looks like jmilber's conscious came a-knockin, and to chase away the discomfort he blocked the truth. What a pussy (no pun intended, haha).
I'll shut my face when you unshut your brain, dumbass. Go read more brain cell-killing magna.
Gimiock 1 year ago
@Gimiock You are gay.
P.S. Its magma, not magna.
AnimeRelated420 1 year ago
@Gimiock What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously dude lay off the drugs, what you just wrote makes NO sense whatsoever. I can't be insulted by something I can't understand.
jmilber 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast You're "not unaware that specific birds have annoyed people"? LOL. It's hilarious watching you try to backpedal as fast as you can. As for cats being harmful, I guess it's a matter of perspective. If you're a farmer making your living selling your produce at market, birds that damage that produce might seem a lot more harmful than the cat that keeps mice out of the chicken feed in the barn.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 o_o You're mad if you think I'm down at all in this 'debate'. I just told you, you shot yourself in the foot in an argument that is actually not even relevant to my point. I repeat, IRRELEVANT because it doesn't negate what I say. If you would like to shit upon the environment even more, then you will never agree with me. I don't live in a farm area. I bet 'Louie' doesn't either. These retards need to keep their cats indoors. That's responsible ownership for the cats AND wildlife.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast And in James Fenmore Cooper's 1823 novel, The Pioneers, the reason the people of the town of Templeton give for their mass "slaughter of the pigeons" is that the huge flocks of birds repeatedly destroy their wheat crops. I only cite this to give historical context to the idea that not everyone considers birds harmless. (Cooper's sympathies, of course, are not with the farmers.)
southerner66 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Your logic is so frayed and ridiculous. Its impossible to argue with you because your examples are not even CLOSELY related to the reality of the situation. A cat eating a bird vs some mentally disturbed loser bow hunting cats? Advocating the eradication of all cats; one of the most loved pets in the world? Animals who lower blood pressure and comfort the old and sick? Whats the real reason you hate cats so much, because you havn't touched on a coherent response to my argument
jmilber 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast R u purposely missing the point? A human bow hunting a feral isnt closely related to a CAT hunting a BIRD for a meal. Bird meat is a socially acceptable food, its just a matter of how it arrived at the plate. Bow hunting ferals is cruel and unnecessary; when ferals get out of hand, they are euthanized and society accepts the necessity for that. Cat hunting a bird is no more cruel than the horrid conditions farmed bird meat endures.. actually, it is MORE humane by 5-10X.
jmilber 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Dude....you should REALLY just stop talking. You obviously have no fucking idea WHAT you're talking about. You bitch and moan and make ludicrous and asinine arguments that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Quit trying to sound intelligent or that you even have a clue about some of the shit that you have typed out. You fail at arguments, you fail at thinking, and you fail at life. Piss off.
drogothlord 1 year ago
@drogothlord THAT'S IT! NOW I'M CONVINCED. Your arguing skills astound me : l
I mean, at least the other guy tried. But you've proved yourself to be a proud capsized simpleton...unless you were joking?
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Wow....I'M the simpleton. This coming from the insane bastard who wants to slaughter cats. And you honestly think that you have been winning the argument against jmilber with the whole "oh at least he tried" shit? Wow, dude....just...wow. Now I know that your a damn nutjob.
drogothlord 1 year ago
@drogothlord Yes of course I've 'won'. Although the quality of this winning is debatable since I've also effectively wasted my time, and my prize is a barrage of cursing and insults from babies (and hopefully not back up accounts) who see the logic of my statements and piss and moan because they have clue what else to do about it. This is an attempt of your little brain to cope.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast You haven't wasted your time at all. I'm writing an article that involves people who are irrationally bent out of shape by cat behavior, and you've given me lots of useful material to help flesh out the psychological profile I'm constructing. The part where you stated that all predation upsets you was particularly enlightening. I appreciate how easy you are to provoke. It makes my job much easier.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 HAHA! Owned.
drogothlord 1 year ago
@southerner66 If you can just take a moment, and actually address what I say for once, instead of spinning this debate out of control with other factors, that would be a unique experience amongst with all these cat people I argue with. Do NOT just constantly bring up meat-eating, I'm tired of addressing that again and AGAIN. Because people just abandon the subject and try to pursue another subject they think they can win, as shown by everyone here.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast No one could ever "win" a debate with you because you argue based on an idealized, fictional account of the natural world that operates on rules that you make up as you go to suit your own sensibility. You want everything to happen for "reasons" that make sense *to you.* I would wager that such deep-seated naivete is incurable.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 You're half right. Morals and ethics are somewhat idealized and fictitious. However it's what would cause me to believe that you wouldn't deserve to be beaten or killed for no reason. Or your cats. So you can argue 2 things here, that ethics can't apply to anyone, or they can't apply to animals. You can't pick and choose which animals deserve ethics. Would you walk away if you saw a dog torturing a feral cat? What do you people have against birds anyway?
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Here's the problem with your argument: you want "ethics" (as if ethics is one thing) to apply universally, in which case you should be just as upset about the chicken your neighbor ate tonight as you are about a cat eating a cardinal. But, you've said that meat eating is not what the argument is about, so you're obviously making distinctions between different types of animals. So, let's start there--see next post.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 I should really now ignore you since you've brought up the same point again tirelessly. Saying I want ethics to apply universally is a lie. You're lying to yourself, a characteristic I lack. I don't have a problem with chickens killed humanely for cats and humans. I DO have a problem with free-roaming pets, and especially when they kill for fun. See the difference? It's your responsibility to provide food responsibly for you and your pets.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Why? Our populations and our pets, who aren't native, are too numerous anyway. Letting cats out to kill animals for fun is stupid. And don't try to deny cats killing for fun. Everyone freaking knows this, and I've seen it. Case closed. It's also not good for the cats. Responsible pet ownership involves the animal staying on your property unless supervised. Don't make me repeat myself for the umpteenth time. This is more involved than meat eating.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Humans have historically forged cooperative relationships with other species: dogs, cats, horses, etc... And because of the nature of those relationships, we have accorded them special treatment. My ethic is a simple matter of honoring an alliance. Can the most avid bird watcher really tell one cardinal from another? Do the birds give a damn about them? I doubt it. You claim to care equally about all life--about every bug--but we both know you don't. No one does. Why pretend?
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 If you can attribute them a high status for helping us, I can attribute them a pest status for being well, pests. And when they raid people's bird feeders, dig up their flowers, and annoy the hell out of me, that's pest behavior. You think I can tell CATS apart? You're a joke. What a horrible excuse to justify allowing your pet to maul wildlife. The concept that they can feel pain is lost on you. Let's just hope you're not re-incarnated as an animal you abuse.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast All I can tell you is that though my cats spend most of their time outside in my driveway, my neighbors tell me how much they LIKE having my cats in their yard. My next-door neighbor credits them with saving her hedges when her hedges were being killed by voles eating the roots. She used to joke about how much she owed me for their services! If my neighbors objected to it, I'd do something about it. I have bird feeders, up on steel poles, and the cats ignore them.
southerner66 1 year ago
@southerner66 All I can tell you is, your situation isn't mine. I see my neighbor's cats go after birds. I've rescued 2 baby rabbits from them. I don't want to see anything get killed for a pet's game. They are vertebrates like cats who can feel the pain when they are played with to death. They don't deserve this crap treatement for not being born a human-favored cat. And I'm sure you've heard countless incidents of sleeping cats being crushed by cars. Not a nice way to go.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast You havn't WON ANYTHING! You've convinced ANYONE of ANYTHING other than the fact you are mentally disturbed and we have all wasted our time arguing with a loon like you. You've discredited yourself but advocating the slaughter of cats, and condemning the reality of predation in nature. Instead of providing a coherent argument on ANYTHING, you make self professed claims to winning this argument & insult peoples intelligence who make great points to you which you cant respond too
jmilber 1 year ago
@jmilber Not in the mood for a dimwitted screaming match with the likes of you. I'm no longer responding to posts which INSIST I'm wrong with no evidence, and uses caps to re-enforce that. Repeating myself has taken this from a hobby to an irritance. I'm only responding now to any actual adressing of my arguement.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Also, are you currently typing this from the local mental hospital?
drogothlord 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast HEY! I'm convinced too. Convinced your a fucktard without a future. Go stick your dick in a light socket, you prick!
seedsofevil2 1 year ago
@seedsofevil2 Please see my response to your other back up : )
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Right......Well whatever. We are all obviously wasting our time with you. Have fun taking your meds today.
seedsofevil2 1 year ago
@seedsofevil2 We? You and yourself are 2 people? Hmm...and I'm the one who needs the meds of course x]
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast All of us you twat. And by the way, when you said "piss and moan because they have clue" did you mean "have a clue"? I assume. Anyways, your just wasting my time. I don't know why I even bother. People like you are the reason that the youtube community can suck massive amounts of balls. Go ahead and respond to the comments all you like, I have better things to do than dick around with you all year.
drogothlord 1 year ago
@drogothlord No, I meant 'have no clue'. You in particular are in sick in the head, if mental clarity is an indication of health. I hope southern doesn't resort to your level because my experiences with cat-predation supporters have not been flattering.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast Also, it isn't a backup, its my brother retard.
drogothlord 1 year ago
@southerner66 I would also never feed my cat meat that they would never eat in the wild, but that's on you.
ebolaoutkast 1 year ago
@ebolaoutkast ONCE AGAIN your small brain ceases to grasp the concept that when you eat DEAD animals, they were once ALIVE and were slaughtered... often in the cruelest of conditions you could imagine. Trust me, any animal would prefer to live free and one day become the prey of a predator than to live stuffed in a cage all its life in sick diseased miserable conditions and eventually be slaughtered. I cant keep beating this dead horse, you are too dense and stubborn to see this SIMPLE LOGIC
jmilber 1 year ago