k, my brother is in ACN, and it depends on how much work you put into it, its possible to be able to make 33k in 6 months, the amount you put in, is the amount you get out of it, my brother and others legit spoke to a millionaire of ACN on the phone, sorry to the people who didn't want it bad enough.
The problem is not whether or not you can make $; I've always said there is plenty of $. The problem is that residuals = the dream. Fees charged to Reps = big $. ACN = SCAM. Read prior post for more info. Residuals will never make sense for everyone when there are only a few customers PER REP.
ACN is a fuckin Joke! And to all those Asshole ACN reps and friends who approach you at parties and social gatherings to invest in this pile of shit......totally saturated.
''In view of our current cash resources, nondiscretionary expenses, debt and near term debt service obligations, we intend to explore all strategic alternatives available to us, including… financial reorganization, liquidation and/or ceasing operations. We may determine that it is in our best interests to voluntarily seek relief under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code. Seeking relief under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code…”
In its 10Q report to the SEC for the first quarter of 2011, the manufacturer reported:
“On March 22, 2011, we received a significantly reduced ordering forecast from ACN DPS for the remainder of 2011, based in part on a significant build up in inventory of unsold video phones held by ACN DPS… Accordingly, we expect that revenues from sales to ACN DPS in fiscal year 2011 will be significantly lower than in fiscal year 2010…
So, the only SCAM here are people who don't understand biz or personal growth. If you start a biz, any biz, and you struggle it is because of YOU and not the biz. You will find excuses for all of your failures your entire life. If you are considering ACN, you need to be coachable, work hard, attend all the trainings you can. And read all of the personal growth books you can. ACN is not get rich quick. Take your time and build it right! Enjoy the ride!
When you only have a handful of customers PER REP, residuals will never make sense for everyone. Fees ($500 startup, annual fees, materials, conventions, fees for sales summary, etc) charged to REPs is big $ for the few on top. The real customer is the ACN rep and the real product is the dream (becoming financially independent from residuals). Because you can only be successful if those under you are not, ACN = SCAM
It's not much of a "biz" when your marketing efforts for customers are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship" (e.g. Friends & Family). Then the answer to that is to recruit Reps (business partners, customer getters, etc.). Then they in-turn are also looking for more customers so they do the same ... and on and on and on ... and it's pretty much recruit, recruit, recruit. Lots of reps, not enough customers.
This is totally funny. I found this video 2 years ago when I started in ACN. I was reading a few of the posts and they haven't changed in 2 years. Now that I have been in the biz for 2 years I can say that ACN is awesome. I am a biz owner. I get paid every 30 days when my customers and the customers on my team pay their bills. ACN has always done what they said they will do.
That's not entirely true. I use to think the whole problem of customers per Rep was due to the marketing restrictions that ACN's legal documents put on you when they restrict your marketing efforts to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". About three months ago, an ACN Rep proudly proclaimed that most of his customers were so impressed that they became Reps also. That's when I realized that the marketing restrictions were not the worse problem.
I wouldn't do it if it where $1. I"m not going to leverage my relationships in an effort to get my friends & family involved with a SCAM - for any price.
IS NOT A SCAM FOO IF IT WAS I WOUND NOT JOIN IT BUT I ALREADY MET PEOPLE WHO SIGN UP THAT SAME DAY AND ALREADY AT ETT MAKING SOME KIND OF MONEY NOT HOLE LOT BUT IT TAKES TIME TO REACH THAT POINT. PLUS I MET 19 YEARS OLD WHO IS MAKING 7K A MONTH AND HIS BEEN WITH THE ACN FOR THREE MONTHS ALREADY. I WAS LIKE DANG THIS 19 YEARS OLD MAKING BANK A MONTH
A Real estate agent pays $3,000 for his/her course to be licensed. He/She then has to pay roughly $700 a month to work for a Real Estate company if he/she wants an office. With ACN you pay $500 to get licensed then you pay $149 every year to renew your license...No office fee! If you own your own business you pay each employee almost $15,000 a year for 30 hours a week. With ACN you do not pay your team, the customers do. So....Do the math?
And if it was a Scam then how come they haven't been shut down...you know Donald Trump wanted to buy this company he hired his legal team to investigated ACN and get guess what. When his legal team came back they told him, this company is debt free, it is the fastest growing company. ACN had to decline his offer to buy the company but Donald Trump still wanted to be part of the team So, he is supporting the ACN and also ACN appeared in 2009 & 2011 The apprentice celebrity now how is that a SCAM
I've never said it was illegal, in fact I frequently point it is legal (read prior post). Plenty of SCAMs are legal; ACN is one of them. If you want to pay me $500 for Vatomans miracle water, there's nothing illegal about it. It would not surprise me that "the Donald" would be interested in a good SCAM.
The Donald gets paid for those endorsements. Donald Trump's endorsement of ACN said a lot more about Donald Trump than it does about ACN. Here's something you can look at right here on youtube. Search for "donald trump frank caliendo". Frank is a comedian and does an impersonation of "the Donald". The humor would be lost if there was no truth in it. The Donald will do just about anything for a buck.
the $499 its a investment to start your business its like if you wanted to start your own star bucks and that shit would cost 30k or more so, $499 is a better deal but you have ten days if you are not guarantee you get a refund back. You get your own website n ACN does the rest. My husband join three weeks ago and we are having a lot of fun with ACN. Everyone is nice and the mentor is there 24/7. We are already getting customers through our family and friends who are supporting us.
I'm a Qualified Trainer in ACN and I have not seen anything wrong in the company. I investigated it myself as I was told by people why they were afraid of ACN and all I have to say is this....Anyone who believes its a scam is anyone who has paid the $499.00 to sign up expecting to get rich quick, like any business, you have to put allot of hard work into it. Not recommended for anyone who expects to sit on their ass making fast money. Put the effort in and ACN will benefit you.
I know it's a SCAM; I never signed up. It's a SCAM because making substantial $ from residuals is the dream (the real product) and fees charged to recruits (the real customer) is big $. ACN needs lots of losers (about 98%) in order for there to be a few winners. I would encourage you to hit "see all" where it's been explained over and over.
The Better Business Bureau will give anyone good creds as long as you are willing to pay and stay out of legal trouble. ACN is barely legal. There are plenty of SCAMs that are legal (buyer beware); ACN is one of them.
@VatomanAz HAHAHAHA. OMG. And all this time I thought I was talking to a drop out. LOL. You sir is what I like to call "people". People remind me of cows. They follow each other around. They are oblivious to what is going around them. If you stuck a 100 dollar bill in front of them, they would eat it thinking it was grass. You are not a business owner are you? Let me guess, you work for someone else. Your what a business owner calls, the "Worker Bee". Have fun with that.
@VatomanAz Do you realize what a Realistate agent has to pay for his job? $3,000 to get licensed and $700 a month to work for a realistate company. I think $499 plus $149 a year to renew your license is completely acceptable. Is realistate a scam?
You really need to read down through my post. The thing that makes ACN a SCAM is not the $500 you have to pay up front. $500 or $3000, it's Ok if it justifies a legitimate opportunity; the thing that makes it a SCAM is that residuals can never make sense for everyone when your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship" while fees charged to recruits = big $ (especially for the select few on top).
@VatomanAz I never had a problem. I know allot of people and I have allot of Pre-Existing relationships. I have been busy with ACN since day one and on a typical day I have 2 new customers. Also my current pre-existing relationships give me referals to their friends and family for me to help them aswell. It's all about who you know and I have been doing very well.
The whole problem is customers PER REP. For most people, friends & family will only be good for a handful of customers after they are through leveraging their relationships to get people to "help" them out and do them a "favor" by giving ACN a "try". I use to think the main problem was the marketing limitations imposed by ACN, until an ACN rep proudly said that most of his customers also signed up as REPs. If you get 100 custs & in the process sign up just 10 reps = 10 custs / Rep.
@VatomanAz Not true at all. The entire Idea of ACN is your own Service provider. You need to start with a warm market first (friends and family) the truth is, majority of the time your services are cheaper and what they are currently paying so its saving them money every month lowering their bills. Then comes the referals, your friends and family recommend you to other people to save them money also, then it just branches out.
You, personally, can not sell services/products to anyone with whom you do not have a "pre-existing relationship". The problem is that even if you were to somehow get to 100 customers (which would be very impressive when you are limited to people with a "pre-existing relationship"), it would take a very long time and if you, personally, recruited just 10 reps during that time: 100 custs / 10 reps = 10cust / rep.
This is a quote from page 7 of ACN's Policies and Procedures:
ACN STRICTLY PROHIBITS Independent Representatives from engaging in any cold marketing techniques for purposes of customer acquisition at any time.
Cold marketing includes any promotional activity that is geared toward random individuals who have no personal, business, social or acquaintance relationships with the Independent Representative.
This is a direct quote from the VERY FIRST section of ACN's Policies and Procedures which you sign off on when you sign up for the dream. The section is titled "EXAMPLES OF UNETHICAL OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY":
4. Initiating unsolicited contact with potential customers who do not have a pre-existing relationship with the Independent Representative ("cold marketing").
As far as customers go, a warm market is not what you start with, it's the only thing you'll EVER have. As you recruit friends & family as REPs, customers will be even harder to find as you are competing against all the Reps you recruited on mutual family & friends; because mutual family & friends can only be the customer of one of you. It's not like you & sis can both have mom & dad as customer.
I suppose I can be kind of "thick skulled" when someone is trying to convince me that 2+2=5. All my points are supported by facts (ACN Legal Documents, Things that ACN says about itself, and simple math). I notice that you did not spend much time contesting my comments, but rather just moved on to new ones.
@VatomanAz I have had a great deal of cold customers actually. Just as many cold customers as I have had warm customers. I think you should consider joining ACN to understand the benefits some more, or at least go to some seminars.
You do realize that the Policies and Procedures, that you sign off on when you sign up for the dream, "STRICTLY PROHIBIT" cold marketing don't you? You need to read all my repsonses to your post; you must have missed all those quotes to ACN's legal documents that you signed.
I have already been approached by an ACN rep. Not to be a customer, but to sign up for the dream as a REP. I went to a house meeting. I've done plenty of research; including reading through ACN's legal documents. You need to understand the rules a little better; apparently you do not know that you are "STRICTLY PROHIBITED" from using cold market for Customer Acquisition. I'm not impressed.
It's not that much of a business opportunity when your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". Also, IMHO, mixing business with friends & family is a quick way to diminish your relationship with them. Making substantial $ for everyone on your team from residuals will never make sense when there is only 2-10 customers PER REP on average. Fees charged to recruits = Big $ for the top players.
If 6 reps can recruit just 6 new recruits, you would have 36 new recruits. If those 36 new recruits each helped to recruit 6 more each, you would have 216 new recruits. You do this just 6 more times and you have about 12.1 million new recruits. If each one of those new recruits had to pay $500, that would be just over 6 billion dollars (that's Billion with a B) in revenues for the remaining 2% with the lions share going to the master SCAMMERS
@VatomanAz Well everyone has their own opinion of ACN. I'm in the business so obviously my opinion will be more different than yours. I'm just going to continue doing what I am doing in the company considering your opinions have no impact on my opinions, vice versa. Nice talking to you sir.
ACN Strictly Prohibits you from marketing to anyone other than your warm market (e.g. Friends & Family.
An ACN Rep, about three months, proudly proclaimed that most of his customers were so impressed, that they became Reps also.
If you somehow find 100 customers, but in the process also recruit just 10 reps your personal contribution will have an average of 10 Custs / Rep. If your downline does the same, it's still 10/Rep.
When you only have a handful of customers PER REP, residuals will never make sense for everyone. Fees ($500 startup, annual fees, materials, conventions, fees for sales summary, etc) charged to REPs is big $ for the few on top. The real customer is the ACN rep and the real product is the dream (becoming financially independent from residuals). Because you can only be successful if those under you are not, ACN = SCAM.
@VatomanAz It's very possible to succeed in the business aslong as you put effort into it. Like any business really. And MLM is no different than what we have anywhere else, employees get paid shitty minimum wages and bust their ass off while the employer makes all the money. Same deal with ACN, your team busts their ass off and you make money from it.
If you read down through my post you'll find out that I've always said that there's big $ to be had. The problem is that it comes from the wrong place & most will not make a profit when there is only a handful of Customers per Rep. You'll notice that the example, that shows the Reps that are not making a profit, grows exponentially & reaches 100,000,000 people only five levels out. You're going to need to start your search for ET.
Every time you recruit a Rep, you are diminishing the number of customers per Rep. If you somehow find 100 custs, but in the process recruit just 10 Reps, you'll have 10 custs / Rep <- And that's a good case scenario. The Rep a few months ago proudly stated that most of his custs become Reps. When half your custs (that's less than most) become Reps, you'll never have more than 2 custs / Rep.That's all fine because the real customers are the Reps themselves. Rep Fees=Big $
When you only have a handful of customers PER REP, residuals will never make sense for everyone. Fees ($500 startup, annual fees, materials, conventions, fees for sales summary, etc) charged to REPs is big $ for the few on top. The real customer is the ACN rep and the real product is the dream (becoming financially independent from residuals). Because you can only be successful if those under you are not, ACN = SCAM.
The problem is that you are only making substantial $ when there are people under you who are not. I know ... your a big ACN family & it's your job to help them to recruit & train also. You are "Ok" when there is 100 people "not making a profit", but it's Ok because you can help them get to where your at. Now the 100 will be "Ok" when there is 10,000 "not making a profit", but the 100 can help the 10,000. Then 1,000,000 to support the 10k. Then 100M to support the 1M. Where's ET?
Most your Reps are out there trying to recruit more REPs (customer getters, business partners, etc). When my niece was recruited in this SCAM, was here family & freinds invited to a meeting selling the product? No, it was all about the DREAM. Your boy, Nap..., inadvertently helped my point when he proudly proclaimed that half his customers also became REPs (about 3 weeks ago). If people are reading this, I bet it's not because they are being asked to become customers.
like they said in the video acn sells product and to join the business its your choice but to switch over its free so thats your choice lol and secondly i cant bealive ppl bealive fox11 news lol everyone know of the bullshiit storys they talk about
Greedy,Greedy I went to their seminar, They like me to pay them $499.00dollars to join ACN. What i just make them more richer and feed those CEO I dont think so. I can use that money somewhere else.Thats the way the make their millions from the people who give them $499.00 dollars without selling any single products...Like what i said 3000 recruits X $499.00 thats over a million.
If 6 reps can recruit just 6 new recruits, you would have 36 new recruits. If those 36 new recruits each helped to recruit 6 more each, you would have 216 new recruits. You do this just six more times and you have about 12.1 million new recruits. If each one of those new recruits had to pay $500, that would be just over six billon dollars (that's Billion with a B) in revenues for the remaining 2% with the lions share going to the master SCAMMERS.
so basically ppl call this a scam because u have to pay the 499 to join??? what about when u get a licence to sell house u have to pay for that too yet once u get it its not 100% u will sell each house u get. this business can take up too 2 years to build its a fcking side business to grow ur monthly revenue and while u grow this u continue working fro your current employer and when u feel confident enough to live off of acns revenue then quit and do this full time
I think $499.00 dollars is lot of money goes to the company.For instance if the can recruits about 2000 people x $499,00 dollars thats almost a million dollars. Just that figures w/ out selling they makes a lot of money in you just to join them.You make the ceo of the company so rich.Thats why they like you to recruits and recruits to make them a millioners.You dont have to be a rocket scientest to figured this out.
@VatomanAz the fees to join is 499 and promotions keep going on i gota check for 1200 this mounth and i made one of my friends join it coast him 499 to join but within a mounth he was able to get the promotions goals done and got a check for 1200 also
The problem is not the $499 or whether or not you can make $. I've always said there is plenty of $ to made (read prior post). The problem is that: Residuals do not work, Recruitment fees = big $, ACN = SCAM. And all this while you solicit your family & friends.
@VatomanAz also u dont need to join u can basicly take services only if u wnat and still save money for example wqe used to pay bell freaking 120$ per mounth fro internet and phone line and now for both things we are paying 72$ and both are unlimited so your not obliged to join
An ACN rep just a few weeks back was proudly proclaiming how half his customers also become reps. You could just be a customer, but ACN eventually trys to get it's customers to sign up as reps also.
Is this it? People pull the negativity out of everything? where in this video did they call it a scam? Its an opportunity not a wishing well! ACN will not pull homeless people off the street but will allow people who already have an income save or make money its simple!!!
Yet you keep saying ACN is a "scam"...do you even know what scam means?!Scam is ILLEGAL by law,so now you're telling me that 23 different gov'ts got involved with an ILLEGAL company?...Right...You clearly do not understand the full concept of ACN, only way you will be able to find out every single detail is if you go to an International Event, when you finally get to meet the co-founders and every successful person that has done ACN for many years. Until then this conversation will be pointless.
SCAM does not mean that it's illegal. You really need to read down thru my post (including the one, 4 days ago, where I told YOU that ACN is not illegal). If you think that I believe ACN is illegal, you have a very short memory. SCAM means obtaining money by means of deception; SCAM has no legal meaning. The deception is that they say you can make big $ off of residuals from customers, when the real $ is from selling the dream (the real product) to recruits (the real customer).
@VatomanAz While you keep trying so hard to discourage others & making ACN look so bad by all your accusations, ACN just keeps getting bigger and growing stronger, so whatever you're saying about how the residuals "doesn't work"..clearly it DOES work, you just have to do the right things to get the right outcomes, if you try to do it differently and/or your own way..forget it, nothing will make sense and you will not succeed in ACN.
When you have only 2 - 10 customers PER REP (Napopeles101 proudly said half his customers sign up as reps), explain to me how residuals work - I asked you about a week ago, you still have not explained it?
When there's only a handful of customers PER REP ... sure the people on top can do OK, but only if there's a bunch of people not doing OK. It grows exponentially: you need 100 loosers, but the 100 loosers will be ok if there's 10,000 loosers, then 1,000,000 loosers, 100,000,000
People in general will not stay around if they are "loosing", which is why about 98% decide to "give up". It's not like the customers of failed reps are going to hang around. After your past soliciting your friends & family and then loose 98% of them, you'll be at the mercy of the market. Good luck with that.
@VatomanAz Like the say "Success is not about the chosen few, but about the few who choose" If you believe in God and have faith in yourself, nothing should be a barrier because you faith will overcome every obstacle that tries to pull you down. The more excuses you make, the more you are left behind..while watching many others succeed instead of being part of them and enjoying success together. At last, I'm a proud ACN Independent Business Owner, I Love ACN! ACN has changed a lot if my life
I have always said there's plenty of $ to made. No matter how much you believe though, you cannot change the fact that it's a SCAM.
It does not matter how much you believe it, you will never be able to fly, unassisted, off the Empire State building. It will work Ok for a little bit, but then you are going to run into a problem, I like to call, deceleration trauma. ACN will fly for a little bit, but 98% will eventually run into "deceleration trauma" - no matter how much you believe
@VatomanAz financially and in many other ways, that has also offered me much more advantage than any other company, even my OWN company that I already had. Everything I get from ACN is because of my own individual effort, and what I get is what I deserve! They way I get the right outcomes is by helping others, I'm NOT a salesman going door to door, I Dont Scam people to make quick "profit" ACN is not a get rich quick scheme, ACN is a REAL business where you really have to work for yourself
You couldn't go door to door if you wanted to - at least not for customers - ACN's legal documents "STRICTLY PROHIBIT" cold marketing. Instead they have you ask your family friends for a favor. They get you in psychological baby steps: Attend a meeting. Just try some services. Make a little extra $ (it's not a get rich quick scheme) while helping friends. Make a bunch of $ by helping those under you to recruit more.
The problem is: residuals do not work, fees to recruits = big $
This is a quote from page 7 of ACN's Policies and Procedures:
ACN STRICTLY PROHIBITS Independent Representatives from engaging in any cold marketing techniques for purposes of customer acquisition at any time.
Cold marketing includes any promotional activity that is geared toward random individuals who have no personal, business, social or acquaintance relationships with the Independent Representative.
This is a direct quote from the VERY FIRST section of ACN's Policies and Procedures which you sign off on when you sign up for the dream. The section is titled "EXAMPLES OF UNETHICAL OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY":
4. Initiating unsolicited contact with potential customers who do not have a pre-existing relationship with the Independent Representative ("cold marketing").
@VatomanAz but never by yourself because you have your team and the company behind you at all times, supporting you every step of the way. I don't beg or try to even convince others to get the services because people are already using it every single day, or to get involved with the company because they already come to me, they see how I'm really succeeding and if they only follow my steps, THEY will succeed as well! I encountered plenty of No's and plenty of negative thoughts/comments
@VatomanAz My post was cut..to be continued...from many negative, close-minded people even my own family that I think to myself everyday..."where would I be now? If I would have listened to them back then?" clearly not where I am now but still being a slave in MY own 9-5pm company that I had to run at all times. I had everything I wanted in life but I lacked on freedom. I had no time for ANYTHING but just work and university.
@VatomanAz , You do a client and you will recieve every mounth a percentage when that client pay the bill for using the service, like you pay to have internet or cable tv, or mobil phone. is so simple as that! That is call residual income! I'm from Portugal, i'm in ACN since january 2011 and i have more than 150 clients in Portugal and other country's including Espain, france and even in USA. To be part of ACN you have to pay for a low cost franchaising and respect the group politics. Sucess!
If you want to take a shot at it (NMJE wasn't up to it), why don't you explain to me how residuals can work when half your customers are also signing up as reps. Even if you were only signing up 1 out of 10 customers as reps also, there would only be 10 customers PER REP on average. When reps have an average of 2-10 customers each, you can only have winners if there are a lot of losers.
@VatomanAz I have 150 customers and 35 REP's. I recieve residual income from my 150 costumers and for all the costumers that my 35 REP's have. I dont mix clients with REP's. I choose who i want to be my costumer and who i want to invite to be my REP, so simple as that! That's why i dont have losers in my line. My REP's have an average of 25-30 costumers each.
@VatomanAz It only depends of your Markting stratgy. But i can tell you that if you dont understand nothing about markting you dont belong in this business. I also recieve every mounth 515€ of bónus becouse every mounth i get 15 new personal costumers, and this is the strategy that i pass to my REP's. First get 15 new costumers and to get the bonus, then invite people to become REP. Every mounth my residual income grows with the 15 new costumers.
You can not have too much of a "Markting stratgy" when your marketing efforts for customers are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship"
BTW . . . I noticed you choose not to explain how residuals can make sense when you only have 2 - 10 customers. But instead explained how you have 150 and your REPs under you have an average of 25-30 customers. Could this be ... just possible ... because you understand why residuals will not make sense when REPs only have 2-10 customers. FINALLY, a REP that understands that. (read prior post).
Once you get past soliciting your close friends & family by asking them to do you a "favor" and give ACN a "try" (for most people, that will be good for about 2-5 customers), it becomes very difficult to find customers when your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". It's a long road to 50 where residuals still do not make sense. Cudos to you for getting 150, but that's not what the average REP is doing.
People do not like to be solicited. I mean it's one thing to have a friend's kid hitting you up for things like candy bars, popcorn, candles, cookies, wrapping paper, etc. But it's on a whole new level when it's for something like your phone service and your using your friendship as leverage to coerce someone (that's extra nice). Once you get past those that are close to you, the fact that a very small % of the market purchases service thru ACN will start to mean a lot more to you.
When your marketing efforts for customers are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship", you'll have a hard time finding customers. When you recruit friends & family as REPs, it will be more difficult as mutual friends & family can only be a customer for one of you. It's pretty hard to not "mix clients with REP's" when your efforts to recruit REPs are also limited to friends & family (ACN discourages going outside of them when recruiting REPs).
@VatomanAz Who said to you that i'm limited to expand my business has i want to? Has any franchising i'm restricted to the group politics, but that is not one of them. ACN dont discourages, ACN says to startby your family and friends, is diferent. Every day i make NEW costumers, the guy from the cofee, someone in the metro station you name it, i go after the costumers insted being waiting for them noking at my door. Beleave or not i dont have any Family member on my downline.
This is a quote from page 7 of ACN's Policies and Procedures:
ACN STRICTLY PROHIBITS Independent Representatives from engaging in any cold marketing techniques for purposes of customer acquisition at any time.
Cold marketing includes any promotional activity that is geared toward random individuals who have no personal, business, social or acquaintance relationships with the Independent Representative.
This is a direct quote from the VERY FIRST section of ACN's Policies and Procedures which you sign off on when you sign up for the dream. The section is titled "EXAMPLES OF UNETHICAL OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY":
4. Initiating unsolicited contact with potential customers who do not have a pre-existing relationship with the Independent Representative ("cold marketing").
This is a quote from page 7 of ACN's Policies and Procedures from the section titled REPRESENTATIVE ACQUISITION:
ACN strongly discourages cold marketing techniques for purposes of recruiting.
They really do not want you to recruit outside of your warm market (e.g. Family & Friends). Who said your limited? How about ACN's Policies and Procedures which you sign off on when you sign the Independent Rep Agreement.
You can watch videos right here on YouTube where the founders themselves are encouraging you to get support from family & friends. You know everyone has the desire to help other people. Ask them to "help" you out a little and do you a "favor" by giving ACN a "try". You can go to ACN's official YouTube channel & find videos of the "help-favor-try" videos. I know YouTube is not the place for research; heaven forbid I use ACN's Policies & Procedures and THEIR YouTube channel.
@VatomanAz I dont realy undestand what is your problem with ACN or with everbody that works with ACN. ACN strongly discourages but dont prohibit, because at the end everyone is friend of someone. my costumers recomend me to their friends, and they become my costumers, so as you see my costumersare always friends of someone that already is my costumer. If you have something that people want and is good people will recomend you, thats how i make new costumers. i dont see any problem here.
This is a quote from page 7 of ACN's Policies and Procedures under CUSTOMER ACQUISITION:
ACN STRICTLY PROHIBITS Independent Representatives from engaging in any cold marketing techniques for purposes of customer acquisition at any time.
You really need to read all my comments & you would have noticed that I just told you this. Note the words "STRICTLY PROHIBITS". This is straight from ACN's Policies & Procedures.
I applaud you for trying to make your arguments in English; I know it's got to be difficult - good practice though.
Also I applaud you for going against the ACN establishment. If I were to do ACN - I won't because it's a SCAM - I also would never recruit from anyone I knew. That way my REPs are not competing against each other for customers from mutual friends & when most of them "do not make a profit" (98% or so), at least my friends are not upset at me.
The problem is when you start recruiting them as REPs. The problem is that there is absolutely no way for you to make $ without recruiting REPs - you'll never advance to levels were residuals can make sense for you, but not the thousands underneath you. The problem is that if you wanted to just go out & get customers, you'll never make $. You are encouraged to recruit, recruit, recruit. Residuals=the dream, Fees charged to REPs=Big $, ACN=SCAM.
The problem is that you are only making substantial $ when there are people under you who are not. I know ... your a big ACN family & it's your job to help them to recruit & train also. You are "Ok" when there is 100 people "not making a profit", but it's Ok because you can help them get to where your at. Now the 100 will be "Ok" when there is 10,000 "not making a profit", but the 100 can help the 10,000. Then 1,000,000 to support the 10k. Then 100M to support the 1M. Where's ET?
@VatomanAz Holy crap dude your still ranting on this video. It was like a year ago we were arguing about this. Go out side, get some sun, get laid or something shit.
I appreciate your concern for my time, but when you are "ranting" the TRUTH, it does not take long to respond. I only post on this single video. A comment like this one takes about 3 minutes.
What takes a long time is when you are trying to support a position that's a bunch of BS. It can be pretty difficult to defend something that is not true which is why if you read down thru the post, you'll notice that difficulty when REPs are trying to unsuccessfully defend ACN
@VatomanAz Lol you crack me up. You really want to know why these guys are having a hard time defending? Their new! I can tell you strait up, that everyone of these are less than 6 months old. The people who are successful at this, don't have the time and don't need to "defend" their income to you or anyone else. Your an ignorant fast aging man. I pity you. There is so much I could tell, but I don't have the time and don't fell like it.
As I recall you didn't do so well yourself. People can hit "see all" and search/find your screen name to find our prior posts.
When we were discussing it before, I was pointing out that it's damm near impossible to have enough customers PER REP for residuals to make sense for everyone when your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". But when you're signing up half your customers as REPs, I guess it doesn't matter.
For fun, I went back and looked. My two favorite comments were: (1) when you told me that the cold marketing limitations for CUSTOMERS had "some truth, but limited". Then I went on to show the quotes from ACN's Policies & Procedures where it clearly says it's "STRICTLY PROHIBITED". (2) when you told me we "making some progress".
Yeah . . . your just amusing the hell of out me too!!!
I don't know if I should post this but, if you acquire 50 customer points, you are guaranteed $100 bucks a month. Every month you can sit on your butt and do nothing because you did the work once. STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS!!! DAMN! I Never knew someone could have a stick shoved so far up their ass until I met you. You don't have to acquire any reps to make money you idiot. Oh but warm market. MEET PEOPLE! Theirs a world beyond youtube O.o
Wow! $100 bucks a month, that's almost enough to cover the Friday night bar tab. After you get past asking your friends and family to HELP you out and do you a FAVOR by giving ACN a TRY, customers are going to be few and far between. At the same time you're recruiting reps. Residuals can never make sense for everyone when their is only a handful of customers PER REP. On average, how many customers do you need to get to 50 pts? 25? 30?
Look Josh . . . If you go out & recruit 50 customers (more than 50pts) and at the same time recruit just 5 Reps (I bet you've recruited more than 5). You and your 5 member team are only going to have an average of 10 customers PER REP. Now if your 5 Reps do the same, yeah you'll have 300 customers. Only problem is that there are 30 Reps. Good for the Reps on top, but only while their are Reps on the bottom that have not gotten their yet.
I'm sure you can understand why residuals can not make sense for everyone when there is only a handful of customers PER REP. I use to think that the problem was the fact that you can only solicit people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship" (e.g. Friends & Family). Until a few months ago, when a REP proudly stated that his customers were so impressed that most of them also signed up as REPs. The whole problem with residuals is customers PER REP.
@VatomanAz Their is just no getting through to you is there? You have me and all these other people trying to tell whats up and you just don't want to take your hand away from your face. Your so obsessed about this that all you can see is a scam. YOU TALK Like you KNOW what your saying, but you don't. I can say all I want and your going to try and find away around it, a back door if you will. Your like a politician and those guys are dumb. You want a scam? Look up wall street...
It's not me saying it, it's ACN's policies that say you can only market to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". It's not me saying it, it's your boy Nap about three months ago that proudly proclaimed that his customers were so impressed that half of them signed up as REPs. It's not me saying it, it was your local REPs who invited me to a meeting not to become a customer, but to become a REP. It's not me saying it, its ACN saying it.
ACN has been taken to court several times by states and countries. However, to my knowledge, they have never been convicted. Attorney Generals will not take a case to court unless they feel like there is enough evidence. The fact that the Attorney Generals of the states/countries thought they had enough to take the case to court says a lot: ACN is barely legal. But just because you are legal does not mean that you are legit. Plenty of SCAMs are legal; ACN is one of them
They've had plenty of close calls regarding the structure of how their $ is made under the CURRENT system. The closest being the one in Australia where the court actually found them guilty & then it was overturned, on appeal, by a higher court. The fact that the attorney generals of several states / countries have felt like they had enough evidence to take ACN to court & the one loss says a lot: Their structure is very questionable; ACN is barely legal.
I feel so bad for those people that get easily discourage by videos like these and negative people. God only knows what are their personal reasons of why they failed. I am a law student & a proud ACN Rep and wouldn't trade this opportunity for anything else in the world! It's truly a blessing, I believe I have the most amazing mentors in my life that supports me day and night. We don't just build business partners but also friendships. Your reward will only depend on your own individual effort.
If you're a law student, then you should have no problem arguing your points. Why don't you read down through my post & we'll discuss the ACN "opportunity". When your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship", you'll never be able to get enough customers PER REP for residuals to make sense for everyone (maybe a select few on the top). Residuals=the dream, Rep Fees = Big $, ACN = SCAM.
@VatomanAz It doesn't matter if I am a law student or the CEO of all the Banks in the World. My main point is that if you truly commit on something you BELIEVE you can DO, you WILL do it. ACN is a legal Business and not a Scam. Most people now a days, are stuck with the employee mentality. How do you expect to become a Business Owner if you are already expecting a check within a week of couple of weeks? Prior to ACN, I already had my own Business that I started at the age of 18.To be continued..
@VatomanAz And from that experience I know that opening a Business is NOT easy, it requires a lot of support and of course a lot of money. If a person is going to call a legal company a scam? Just because the company asked for a fee of $499 or because they haven't received a proper check within 5 days or weeks. They are clearly still living in the employee mentality. To be continued...
@VatomanAz ACN is not a scam nor a job, it is a legal BUSINESS, a Business that can definitely give you a huge advantage in life if ONLY you do the proper procedures. ACN is a 2-5 year Business plan not a 2-5 weeks nor a 2-5 months plan. You will only be able to see the right income within years and THEN you can give your opinion if this LEGAL COMPANY truly works. If you haven't been in the business, or have only based you decisions from other peoples bad reviews...To be continued...
@VatomanAz & you easily get discourage by others & let them decide your future, then that is your life & loss.You want to continue with your current life, then do so. But do not discourage others by telling them that ACN is a Scam when there is plenty of proof of THOUSANDS of people that have been successful and recovered their dreams because of ACN. Want to be successful?THEN, follow successful people,so you can get what YOU deserve in Life! We only live once so at least make the best of IT.
Its a scam because there is not much opportunity to make residuals from customers. But there is plenty of opportunity to make big $ from fees charged to recruits. I never said ACN was illegal (read prior post), however it is most definitely a SCAM. I would encourage you to read prior post where I clearly show that residuals = the dream (the real product) & fees charged to new recruits = big $ for the select few.
@VatomanAz Yea..Its a"SCAM"&you know who's in the Scam?Thousands of professionals:Doctors,Lawyers,RealStateAgents,Attorneys,traditional business owners,average people,DonaldTrump,NHL Players,President of Sony&VirginRecords,Bishops,Beyonce,etc&was even published by Fortune&INC.Magazine,USAToday,publications like Direct Selling News,Success from HomeMagazine a record-breaking six consecutive years&is with the HIGHEST providers in 23 different GOVERNMENTS&YOURE the only one who is not in the scam:)
Most of that is bought and paid for. There's plenty of people that will endorse or say just about anything for a buck.
Companies like Enron & Madoff's various enterprises were praised and admired by many also and look where that all ended up. Just because you have some people singing the praises of your company does not make you an honest opportunity.
I see you choose not to explain how residuals work when recruiting all those reps.
I personally know many Doctors and Lawyers, and none of them would have anything to do with this mess; it's all they can do just to stay on top of new developments in their profession (if they are any good).
Funny thing . . . if you read down thru the comments here you'll find out that nearly all of the ACN people posting here are young people.
I got involved when ACN recruited my 18 year old niece and then tried to recruit her parents, family, and friends.
Explain to me how residuals can make sense when half your customers also sign on as representatives (or even 1 out 10 becoming reps; which would mean that each rep has an average of 10 customers). But an ACN rep just a few post down explains how it's such a good deal that "Half" his customers sign up as reps also. I bet he's made plenty of CABs. WOW !!!
Ive been in Acn a yr now and I cant complain the people that dont work the business wont make any money then will complain its a scam this video is so old we have alot more than phones and getting more in the next coming yr scams dont last this long this is a legit company dont believe me holla at me and let me give u some services and see how much money u save on your energy bill home security computer tech I LOVE THIS COMPANY AND MY POCKETTS DO TO GREAT JOB ACN
The products are just a smoke screen. The real product is the dream of being financially independent and beyond. Plenty of SCAMs have existed practically forever. A good SCAM can go forever. It's starts off with I'll save you $ on your bills and progresses to "hey you can help your friends and family also" for $500 and make big $. Residuals PER REP will never make sense when you only have a few customers PER REP. The big $ is in the fees charged to recruits. "see all"
@VatomanAz i am not in acn, never heard of the company till recently..but will say htis regarding your comments..its not a bad thing for people to dream, what do you suggest they do, just be complacent with the jobs they have, barely makin enuff to meet living expenses and never gettin to live life the way they have always wanted to..what is wrong with givin people a chance to learn a business that can help people, while at the same time providing them with much needed extra income?.
No problem with dreaming. The problem is when your dream involves an "opportunity" that is marketed as "the dream", when it is really just a SCAM. Residuals=the dream, fees charged to reps = Big $, ACN = SCAM.
@VatomanAz people think that everyone is any MLM company wants to be a millionaire, most do not, most are happy making an extra 500 a month to subsadize their retirement income, or to do other financial things that the pay at their job does not afford them the ability to do
Like I said just a few comments down: IF they sold it as a way to make a little extra cash, I'd be OK. But the clearly do not. I mean . . . just go look at some of the videos (particularly the ACN life style) & try to tell me they are selling as a way to make a little extra cash. Please !!!
@VatomanAz any business should be focused on sales, recruiting is just a way to leverage your time and expand your income..this concept is not new, real estate uses something similar with its broker and agents..a broker can focus on sales, or they can recruit and train agents, they make a sale, the broker gets paid as well due to the fact that the broker trained the agent to make money..by doin this the broker can make more money while do less work..gettin involved in any mlm like ACN
It's hard to focus on customers and sales when your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". You really need to hit "see all" and read through post for more on that.
@VatomanAz can be like dating, you can meet a person who could be good for you, but they come off way too strong, needy, and pushy nad it just turns you off completely, what the ACN reps should do, is siimply inform people of what the company does, how it could benift them, and let them decide, if the product is that good and helpfull, then itlls sell itself..like i mentioned b4, im not totally sure how ACN works so i can only say so much about it.
Hit "see all" & read down through the many discussions that I've had with people (most likely reps) and you can see what it's all about. Recently there was a rep that admitted, after many post, that half his customers like it so much they became reps. If the whole world used ACN, it's not going to work out very well when half are also reps. It's the whole customers PER REP problem. However, it works good for fees charged to reps.
Its funny, because they think they know what ACN is about...however, Fox can't even get the name right. All Communications Network, not American....i think they should do JUST a bit more research before they go putting down an amazing opportunity that helped THOUSANDS of people...
ACN has many subsidary, affiliated, and related companies covering many different names. Take a look at your Policies and Procedures, Independent Rep Agreement, and Compensation Plan and see how often you find "All Communications Network". It's not important, a lot of that video is ACN speaking for itself. I'm pretty sure that in the many post I've made here, I've stuck with just "ACN". Since I get the name right, maybe you should "see all" and read down thru them.
@thednmshow If thousands of people have been helped by this psudo opportunity, how many tens of millions have been ripped of to help these chosen few?
CCM Consumer Choice Marketing is the best business opportunity and utility saver in the world! We save people money and help them make money at the same time!
k, my brother is in ACN, and it depends on how much work you put into it, its possible to be able to make 33k in 6 months, the amount you put in, is the amount you get out of it, my brother and others legit spoke to a millionaire of ACN on the phone, sorry to the people who didn't want it bad enough.
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VatomanAz 2 days ago
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@Rellik2424
The problem is not whether or not you can make $; I've always said there is plenty of $. The problem is that residuals = the dream. Fees charged to Reps = big $. ACN = SCAM. Read prior post for more info. Residuals will never make sense for everyone when there are only a few customers PER REP.
VatomanAz 2 days ago
@Rellik2424 It's also possible to invest a TON of time, energy, and money for gas, airplane fees, hotel fees, etc. for *very* little to NO residual.
Ruffruff2006 2 days ago
ACN is a fuckin Joke! And to all those Asshole ACN reps and friends who approach you at parties and social gatherings to invest in this pile of shit......totally saturated.
DrDark34 4 days ago
the below is from worldgate, the company that make acn phones and a company that apparently is owned by the guys who own ACN.
NikonSanz 1 week ago
cont..
''In view of our current cash resources, nondiscretionary expenses, debt and near term debt service obligations, we intend to explore all strategic alternatives available to us, including… financial reorganization, liquidation and/or ceasing operations. We may determine that it is in our best interests to voluntarily seek relief under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code. Seeking relief under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code…”
NikonSanz 1 week ago
In its 10Q report to the SEC for the first quarter of 2011, the manufacturer reported:
“On March 22, 2011, we received a significantly reduced ordering forecast from ACN DPS for the remainder of 2011, based in part on a significant build up in inventory of unsold video phones held by ACN DPS… Accordingly, we expect that revenues from sales to ACN DPS in fiscal year 2011 will be significantly lower than in fiscal year 2010…
Which idiots were stupid enough to invest in ACN?
lol.
NikonSanz 1 week ago
So, the only SCAM here are people who don't understand biz or personal growth. If you start a biz, any biz, and you struggle it is because of YOU and not the biz. You will find excuses for all of your failures your entire life. If you are considering ACN, you need to be coachable, work hard, attend all the trainings you can. And read all of the personal growth books you can. ACN is not get rich quick. Take your time and build it right! Enjoy the ride!
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@outofmoney What is it that you disagree with?
When you only have a handful of customers PER REP, residuals will never make sense for everyone. Fees ($500 startup, annual fees, materials, conventions, fees for sales summary, etc) charged to REPs is big $ for the few on top. The real customer is the ACN rep and the real product is the dream (becoming financially independent from residuals). Because you can only be successful if those under you are not, ACN = SCAM
VatomanAz 1 week ago
@outofmoney
It's not much of a "biz" when your marketing efforts for customers are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship" (e.g. Friends & Family). Then the answer to that is to recruit Reps (business partners, customer getters, etc.). Then they in-turn are also looking for more customers so they do the same ... and on and on and on ... and it's pretty much recruit, recruit, recruit. Lots of reps, not enough customers.
VatomanAz 4 days ago
This is totally funny. I found this video 2 years ago when I started in ACN. I was reading a few of the posts and they haven't changed in 2 years. Now that I have been in the biz for 2 years I can say that ACN is awesome. I am a biz owner. I get paid every 30 days when my customers and the customers on my team pay their bills. ACN has always done what they said they will do.
outofmoney 1 week ago
@outofmoney
That's not entirely true. I use to think the whole problem of customers per Rep was due to the marketing restrictions that ACN's legal documents put on you when they restrict your marketing efforts to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". About three months ago, an ACN Rep proudly proclaimed that most of his customers were so impressed that they became Reps also. That's when I realized that the marketing restrictions were not the worse problem.
VatomanAz 1 week ago
acn is the best option 500 bucks investment is cheap go and have a franchise it would cost you a fortune ...
ciclozulu 2 weeks ago
@ciclozulu
I wouldn't do it if it where $1. I"m not going to leverage my relationships in an effort to get my friends & family involved with a SCAM - for any price.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
IS NOT A SCAM FOO IF IT WAS I WOUND NOT JOIN IT BUT I ALREADY MET PEOPLE WHO SIGN UP THAT SAME DAY AND ALREADY AT ETT MAKING SOME KIND OF MONEY NOT HOLE LOT BUT IT TAKES TIME TO REACH THAT POINT. PLUS I MET 19 YEARS OLD WHO IS MAKING 7K A MONTH AND HIS BEEN WITH THE ACN FOR THREE MONTHS ALREADY. I WAS LIKE DANG THIS 19 YEARS OLD MAKING BANK A MONTH
janel209 2 weeks ago
A Real estate agent pays $3,000 for his/her course to be licensed. He/She then has to pay roughly $700 a month to work for a Real Estate company if he/she wants an office. With ACN you pay $500 to get licensed then you pay $149 every year to renew your license...No office fee! If you own your own business you pay each employee almost $15,000 a year for 30 hours a week. With ACN you do not pay your team, the customers do. So....Do the math?
kylen1487 2 weeks ago
And if it was a Scam then how come they haven't been shut down...you know Donald Trump wanted to buy this company he hired his legal team to investigated ACN and get guess what. When his legal team came back they told him, this company is debt free, it is the fastest growing company. ACN had to decline his offer to buy the company but Donald Trump still wanted to be part of the team So, he is supporting the ACN and also ACN appeared in 2009 & 2011 The apprentice celebrity now how is that a SCAM
janel209 2 weeks ago
@janel209
I've never said it was illegal, in fact I frequently point it is legal (read prior post). Plenty of SCAMs are legal; ACN is one of them. If you want to pay me $500 for Vatomans miracle water, there's nothing illegal about it. It would not surprise me that "the Donald" would be interested in a good SCAM.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
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[ACN - Donald Trump]
The Donald gets paid for those endorsements. Donald Trump's endorsement of ACN said a lot more about Donald Trump than it does about ACN. Here's something you can look at right here on youtube. Search for "donald trump frank caliendo". Frank is a comedian and does an impersonation of "the Donald". The humor would be lost if there was no truth in it. The Donald will do just about anything for a buck.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
the $499 its a investment to start your business its like if you wanted to start your own star bucks and that shit would cost 30k or more so, $499 is a better deal but you have ten days if you are not guarantee you get a refund back. You get your own website n ACN does the rest. My husband join three weeks ago and we are having a lot of fun with ACN. Everyone is nice and the mentor is there 24/7. We are already getting customers through our family and friends who are supporting us.
janel209 2 weeks ago
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Some BIG differences between ACN and Legit Businesses:
- You can sell to who every you want.
- You can advertise.
- You can have a storefront.
- You do not actively try to recruit competitors.
- The emphasis of business is 100% customers. ACN spends most its time recruiting competitors.
- With a business you can hire other people (employees) to sell your product without them having to pay $500.
- You can later sell your business to someone else for whatever you want.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
I'm a Qualified Trainer in ACN and I have not seen anything wrong in the company. I investigated it myself as I was told by people why they were afraid of ACN and all I have to say is this....Anyone who believes its a scam is anyone who has paid the $499.00 to sign up expecting to get rich quick, like any business, you have to put allot of hard work into it. Not recommended for anyone who expects to sit on their ass making fast money. Put the effort in and ACN will benefit you.
kylen1487 2 weeks ago
@kylen1487
I know it's a SCAM; I never signed up. It's a SCAM because making substantial $ from residuals is the dream (the real product) and fees charged to recruits (the real customer) is big $. ACN needs lots of losers (about 98%) in order for there to be a few winners. I would encourage you to hit "see all" where it's been explained over and over.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz 3 words....Better Business Bureau. If it was a scam the Better Business Bureau wouldn't list ACN as a good company.
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@kylen1487
The Better Business Bureau will give anyone good creds as long as you are willing to pay and stay out of legal trouble. ACN is barely legal. There are plenty of SCAMs that are legal (buyer beware); ACN is one of them.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz HAHAHAHA. OMG. And all this time I thought I was talking to a drop out. LOL. You sir is what I like to call "people". People remind me of cows. They follow each other around. They are oblivious to what is going around them. If you stuck a 100 dollar bill in front of them, they would eat it thinking it was grass. You are not a business owner are you? Let me guess, you work for someone else. Your what a business owner calls, the "Worker Bee". Have fun with that.
justjosh0123 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz Do you realize what a Realistate agent has to pay for his job? $3,000 to get licensed and $700 a month to work for a realistate company. I think $499 plus $149 a year to renew your license is completely acceptable. Is realistate a scam?
kylen1487 2 weeks ago
@kylen1487
You really need to read down through my post. The thing that makes ACN a SCAM is not the $500 you have to pay up front. $500 or $3000, it's Ok if it justifies a legitimate opportunity; the thing that makes it a SCAM is that residuals can never make sense for everyone when your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship" while fees charged to recruits = big $ (especially for the select few on top).
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz I never had a problem. I know allot of people and I have allot of Pre-Existing relationships. I have been busy with ACN since day one and on a typical day I have 2 new customers. Also my current pre-existing relationships give me referals to their friends and family for me to help them aswell. It's all about who you know and I have been doing very well.
kylen1487 2 weeks ago
The whole problem is customers PER REP. For most people, friends & family will only be good for a handful of customers after they are through leveraging their relationships to get people to "help" them out and do them a "favor" by giving ACN a "try". I use to think the main problem was the marketing limitations imposed by ACN, until an ACN rep proudly said that most of his customers also signed up as REPs. If you get 100 custs & in the process sign up just 10 reps = 10 custs / Rep.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz Not true at all. The entire Idea of ACN is your own Service provider. You need to start with a warm market first (friends and family) the truth is, majority of the time your services are cheaper and what they are currently paying so its saving them money every month lowering their bills. Then comes the referals, your friends and family recommend you to other people to save them money also, then it just branches out.
kylen1487 2 weeks ago
@kylen1487
You, personally, can not sell services/products to anyone with whom you do not have a "pre-existing relationship". The problem is that even if you were to somehow get to 100 customers (which would be very impressive when you are limited to people with a "pre-existing relationship"), it would take a very long time and if you, personally, recruited just 10 reps during that time: 100 custs / 10 reps = 10cust / rep.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
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This is a quote from page 7 of ACN's Policies and Procedures:
ACN STRICTLY PROHIBITS Independent Representatives from engaging in any cold marketing techniques for purposes of customer acquisition at any time.
Cold marketing includes any promotional activity that is geared toward random individuals who have no personal, business, social or acquaintance relationships with the Independent Representative.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
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This is a direct quote from the VERY FIRST section of ACN's Policies and Procedures which you sign off on when you sign up for the dream. The section is titled "EXAMPLES OF UNETHICAL OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY":
4. Initiating unsolicited contact with potential customers who do not have a pre-existing relationship with the Independent Representative ("cold marketing").
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@kylen1487
As far as customers go, a warm market is not what you start with, it's the only thing you'll EVER have. As you recruit friends & family as REPs, customers will be even harder to find as you are competing against all the Reps you recruited on mutual family & friends; because mutual family & friends can only be the customer of one of you. It's not like you & sis can both have mom & dad as customer.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz Your an Idiot.
justjosh0123 2 weeks ago
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VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@justjosh0123
I guess when your arguments run into the brick wall, that's all you're left with?
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz No. That's what I say to someone who has to thick of a skull.
justjosh0123 2 weeks ago
I suppose I can be kind of "thick skulled" when someone is trying to convince me that 2+2=5. All my points are supported by facts (ACN Legal Documents, Things that ACN says about itself, and simple math). I notice that you did not spend much time contesting my comments, but rather just moved on to new ones.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz I have had a great deal of cold customers actually. Just as many cold customers as I have had warm customers. I think you should consider joining ACN to understand the benefits some more, or at least go to some seminars.
kylen1487 2 weeks ago
@kylen1487
You do realize that the Policies and Procedures, that you sign off on when you sign up for the dream, "STRICTLY PROHIBIT" cold marketing don't you? You need to read all my repsonses to your post; you must have missed all those quotes to ACN's legal documents that you signed.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@kylen1487
I have already been approached by an ACN rep. Not to be a customer, but to sign up for the dream as a REP. I went to a house meeting. I've done plenty of research; including reading through ACN's legal documents. You need to understand the rules a little better; apparently you do not know that you are "STRICTLY PROHIBITED" from using cold market for Customer Acquisition. I'm not impressed.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz So what made you decide to say no to ACN?
kylen1487 2 weeks ago
@kylen1487
It's not that much of a business opportunity when your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". Also, IMHO, mixing business with friends & family is a quick way to diminish your relationship with them. Making substantial $ for everyone on your team from residuals will never make sense when there is only 2-10 customers PER REP on average. Fees charged to recruits = Big $ for the top players.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
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[Big $ - 6 person recruit ]
If 6 reps can recruit just 6 new recruits, you would have 36 new recruits. If those 36 new recruits each helped to recruit 6 more each, you would have 216 new recruits. You do this just 6 more times and you have about 12.1 million new recruits. If each one of those new recruits had to pay $500, that would be just over 6 billion dollars (that's Billion with a B) in revenues for the remaining 2% with the lions share going to the master SCAMMERS
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz Well everyone has their own opinion of ACN. I'm in the business so obviously my opinion will be more different than yours. I'm just going to continue doing what I am doing in the company considering your opinions have no impact on my opinions, vice versa. Nice talking to you sir.
kylen1487 2 weeks ago
A lot of what I said was a matter of fact:
Facts:
ACN Strictly Prohibits you from marketing to anyone other than your warm market (e.g. Friends & Family.
An ACN Rep, about three months, proudly proclaimed that most of his customers were so impressed, that they became Reps also.
If you somehow find 100 customers, but in the process also recruit just 10 reps your personal contribution will have an average of 10 Custs / Rep. If your downline does the same, it's still 10/Rep.
VatomanAz 1 week ago
When you only have a handful of customers PER REP, residuals will never make sense for everyone. Fees ($500 startup, annual fees, materials, conventions, fees for sales summary, etc) charged to REPs is big $ for the few on top. The real customer is the ACN rep and the real product is the dream (becoming financially independent from residuals). Because you can only be successful if those under you are not, ACN = SCAM.
VatomanAz 1 week ago
@VatomanAz I see no problem in any of those. I am content with it. :)
kylen1487 1 week ago
Nice to know you do not disagree with it.
VatomanAz 1 week ago
@VatomanAz It's very possible to succeed in the business aslong as you put effort into it. Like any business really. And MLM is no different than what we have anywhere else, employees get paid shitty minimum wages and bust their ass off while the employer makes all the money. Same deal with ACN, your team busts their ass off and you make money from it.
kylen1487 1 week ago
@kylen1487
If you read down through my post you'll find out that I've always said that there's big $ to be had. The problem is that it comes from the wrong place & most will not make a profit when there is only a handful of Customers per Rep. You'll notice that the example, that shows the Reps that are not making a profit, grows exponentially & reaches 100,000,000 people only five levels out. You're going to need to start your search for ET.
VatomanAz 1 week ago
@kylen1487
Every time you recruit a Rep, you are diminishing the number of customers per Rep. If you somehow find 100 custs, but in the process recruit just 10 Reps, you'll have 10 custs / Rep <- And that's a good case scenario. The Rep a few months ago proudly stated that most of his custs become Reps. When half your custs (that's less than most) become Reps, you'll never have more than 2 custs / Rep.That's all fine because the real customers are the Reps themselves. Rep Fees=Big $
VatomanAz 1 week ago
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When you only have a handful of customers PER REP, residuals will never make sense for everyone. Fees ($500 startup, annual fees, materials, conventions, fees for sales summary, etc) charged to REPs is big $ for the few on top. The real customer is the ACN rep and the real product is the dream (becoming financially independent from residuals). Because you can only be successful if those under you are not, ACN = SCAM.
VatomanAz 1 week ago
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The problem is that you are only making substantial $ when there are people under you who are not. I know ... your a big ACN family & it's your job to help them to recruit & train also. You are "Ok" when there is 100 people "not making a profit", but it's Ok because you can help them get to where your at. Now the 100 will be "Ok" when there is 10,000 "not making a profit", but the 100 can help the 10,000. Then 1,000,000 to support the 10k. Then 100M to support the 1M. Where's ET?
VatomanAz 1 week ago
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Vjusticia 3 weeks ago
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Most your Reps are out there trying to recruit more REPs (customer getters, business partners, etc). When my niece was recruited in this SCAM, was here family & freinds invited to a meeting selling the product? No, it was all about the DREAM. Your boy, Nap..., inadvertently helped my point when he proudly proclaimed that half his customers also became REPs (about 3 weeks ago). If people are reading this, I bet it's not because they are being asked to become customers.
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
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VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
lol this is NETWORK MARKETING...... not NOTwork Marketing.
karanphan1 4 weeks ago
lol this is NETWORK MARKETING...... not NOTwork Marketing.
karanphan1 4 weeks ago
I WENT TO A MEETING AND GOT KICKED OUT BECAUSE I HAD "SCAM" WRITTEN ACROSS MY CHEST,PLUS I GOT MY ASS KICKED IN THE PARKING LOT.
khrissy1993 1 month ago
like they said in the video acn sells product and to join the business its your choice but to switch over its free so thats your choice lol and secondly i cant bealive ppl bealive fox11 news lol everyone know of the bullshiit storys they talk about
supasabi 1 month ago
@supasabi
A lot of that video is ACN doing the talking for themselves.
VatomanAz 4 weeks ago
Greedy,Greedy I went to their seminar, They like me to pay them $499.00dollars to join ACN. What i just make them more richer and feed those CEO I dont think so. I can use that money somewhere else.Thats the way the make their millions from the people who give them $499.00 dollars without selling any single products...Like what i said 3000 recruits X $499.00 thats over a million.
flyguydelacruz 1 month ago
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[You only need six recruits]
If 6 reps can recruit just 6 new recruits, you would have 36 new recruits. If those 36 new recruits each helped to recruit 6 more each, you would have 216 new recruits. You do this just six more times and you have about 12.1 million new recruits. If each one of those new recruits had to pay $500, that would be just over six billon dollars (that's Billion with a B) in revenues for the remaining 2% with the lions share going to the master SCAMMERS.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
so basically ppl call this a scam because u have to pay the 499 to join??? what about when u get a licence to sell house u have to pay for that too yet once u get it its not 100% u will sell each house u get. this business can take up too 2 years to build its a fcking side business to grow ur monthly revenue and while u grow this u continue working fro your current employer and when u feel confident enough to live off of acns revenue then quit and do this full time
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flyguydelacruz 1 month ago
I think $499.00 dollars is lot of money goes to the company.For instance if the can recruits about 2000 people x $499,00 dollars thats almost a million dollars. Just that figures w/ out selling they makes a lot of money in you just to join them.You make the ceo of the company so rich.Thats why they like you to recruits and recruits to make them a millioners.You dont have to be a rocket scientest to figured this out.
flyguydelacruz 1 month ago
@supasabi
It's a scam because residuals = the dream and fees charged to recruits = big $. See prior post for the details.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@VatomanAz the fees to join is 499 and promotions keep going on i gota check for 1200 this mounth and i made one of my friends join it coast him 499 to join but within a mounth he was able to get the promotions goals done and got a check for 1200 also
supasabi 1 month ago
@supasabi
The problem is not the $499 or whether or not you can make $. I've always said there is plenty of $ to made (read prior post). The problem is that: Residuals do not work, Recruitment fees = big $, ACN = SCAM. And all this while you solicit your family & friends.
VatomanAz 4 weeks ago
@VatomanAz also u dont need to join u can basicly take services only if u wnat and still save money for example wqe used to pay bell freaking 120$ per mounth fro internet and phone line and now for both things we are paying 72$ and both are unlimited so your not obliged to join
supasabi 1 month ago
@supasabi
An ACN rep just a few weeks back was proudly proclaiming how half his customers also become reps. You could just be a customer, but ACN eventually trys to get it's customers to sign up as reps also.
VatomanAz 4 weeks ago
Is this it? People pull the negativity out of everything? where in this video did they call it a scam? Its an opportunity not a wishing well! ACN will not pull homeless people off the street but will allow people who already have an income save or make money its simple!!!
SniperPSG1000 1 month ago
@paulyboy998 bullshit removing my comment!
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NMJE 1 month ago
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NMJE 1 month ago
Yet you keep saying ACN is a "scam"...do you even know what scam means?!Scam is ILLEGAL by law,so now you're telling me that 23 different gov'ts got involved with an ILLEGAL company?...Right...You clearly do not understand the full concept of ACN, only way you will be able to find out every single detail is if you go to an International Event, when you finally get to meet the co-founders and every successful person that has done ACN for many years. Until then this conversation will be pointless.
NMJE 1 month ago
@NMJE
SCAM does not mean that it's illegal. You really need to read down thru my post (including the one, 4 days ago, where I told YOU that ACN is not illegal). If you think that I believe ACN is illegal, you have a very short memory. SCAM means obtaining money by means of deception; SCAM has no legal meaning. The deception is that they say you can make big $ off of residuals from customers, when the real $ is from selling the dream (the real product) to recruits (the real customer).
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@VatomanAz While you keep trying so hard to discourage others & making ACN look so bad by all your accusations, ACN just keeps getting bigger and growing stronger, so whatever you're saying about how the residuals "doesn't work"..clearly it DOES work, you just have to do the right things to get the right outcomes, if you try to do it differently and/or your own way..forget it, nothing will make sense and you will not succeed in ACN.
NMJE 1 month ago
@NMJE
When you have only 2 - 10 customers PER REP (Napopeles101 proudly said half his customers sign up as reps), explain to me how residuals work - I asked you about a week ago, you still have not explained it?
When there's only a handful of customers PER REP ... sure the people on top can do OK, but only if there's a bunch of people not doing OK. It grows exponentially: you need 100 loosers, but the 100 loosers will be ok if there's 10,000 loosers, then 1,000,000 loosers, 100,000,000
VatomanAz 1 month ago
People in general will not stay around if they are "loosing", which is why about 98% decide to "give up". It's not like the customers of failed reps are going to hang around. After your past soliciting your friends & family and then loose 98% of them, you'll be at the mercy of the market. Good luck with that.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@VatomanAz Like the say "Success is not about the chosen few, but about the few who choose" If you believe in God and have faith in yourself, nothing should be a barrier because you faith will overcome every obstacle that tries to pull you down. The more excuses you make, the more you are left behind..while watching many others succeed instead of being part of them and enjoying success together. At last, I'm a proud ACN Independent Business Owner, I Love ACN! ACN has changed a lot if my life
NMJE 1 month ago
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VatomanAz 1 month ago
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@NMJE
I have always said there's plenty of $ to made. No matter how much you believe though, you cannot change the fact that it's a SCAM.
It does not matter how much you believe it, you will never be able to fly, unassisted, off the Empire State building. It will work Ok for a little bit, but then you are going to run into a problem, I like to call, deceleration trauma. ACN will fly for a little bit, but 98% will eventually run into "deceleration trauma" - no matter how much you believe
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@VatomanAz financially and in many other ways, that has also offered me much more advantage than any other company, even my OWN company that I already had. Everything I get from ACN is because of my own individual effort, and what I get is what I deserve! They way I get the right outcomes is by helping others, I'm NOT a salesman going door to door, I Dont Scam people to make quick "profit" ACN is not a get rich quick scheme, ACN is a REAL business where you really have to work for yourself
NMJE 1 month ago
@NMJE
You couldn't go door to door if you wanted to - at least not for customers - ACN's legal documents "STRICTLY PROHIBIT" cold marketing. Instead they have you ask your family friends for a favor. They get you in psychological baby steps: Attend a meeting. Just try some services. Make a little extra $ (it's not a get rich quick scheme) while helping friends. Make a bunch of $ by helping those under you to recruit more.
The problem is: residuals do not work, fees to recruits = big $
VatomanAz 1 month ago
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This is a quote from page 7 of ACN's Policies and Procedures:
ACN STRICTLY PROHIBITS Independent Representatives from engaging in any cold marketing techniques for purposes of customer acquisition at any time.
Cold marketing includes any promotional activity that is geared toward random individuals who have no personal, business, social or acquaintance relationships with the Independent Representative.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
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This is a direct quote from the VERY FIRST section of ACN's Policies and Procedures which you sign off on when you sign up for the dream. The section is titled "EXAMPLES OF UNETHICAL OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY":
4. Initiating unsolicited contact with potential customers who do not have a pre-existing relationship with the Independent Representative ("cold marketing").
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@VatomanAz but never by yourself because you have your team and the company behind you at all times, supporting you every step of the way. I don't beg or try to even convince others to get the services because people are already using it every single day, or to get involved with the company because they already come to me, they see how I'm really succeeding and if they only follow my steps, THEY will succeed as well! I encountered plenty of No's and plenty of negative thoughts/comments
NMJE 1 month ago
@NMJE
I see you still have not explained how residuals work when you only have a handful of customers PER REP.
Well??? It's hard thing to explain, isn't it?
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@VatomanAz My post was cut..to be continued...from many negative, close-minded people even my own family that I think to myself everyday..."where would I be now? If I would have listened to them back then?" clearly not where I am now but still being a slave in MY own 9-5pm company that I had to run at all times. I had everything I wanted in life but I lacked on freedom. I had no time for ANYTHING but just work and university.
NMJE 1 month ago
@VatomanAz , You do a client and you will recieve every mounth a percentage when that client pay the bill for using the service, like you pay to have internet or cable tv, or mobil phone. is so simple as that! That is call residual income! I'm from Portugal, i'm in ACN since january 2011 and i have more than 150 clients in Portugal and other country's including Espain, france and even in USA. To be part of ACN you have to pay for a low cost franchaising and respect the group politics. Sucess!
ttomasification 4 weeks ago
@ttomasification
If you want to take a shot at it (NMJE wasn't up to it), why don't you explain to me how residuals can work when half your customers are also signing up as reps. Even if you were only signing up 1 out of 10 customers as reps also, there would only be 10 customers PER REP on average. When reps have an average of 2-10 customers each, you can only have winners if there are a lot of losers.
I'm waiting ... explain it.
VatomanAz 4 weeks ago
@VatomanAz I have 150 customers and 35 REP's. I recieve residual income from my 150 costumers and for all the costumers that my 35 REP's have. I dont mix clients with REP's. I choose who i want to be my costumer and who i want to invite to be my REP, so simple as that! That's why i dont have losers in my line. My REP's have an average of 25-30 costumers each.
ttomasification 4 weeks ago
@VatomanAz It only depends of your Markting stratgy. But i can tell you that if you dont understand nothing about markting you dont belong in this business. I also recieve every mounth 515€ of bónus becouse every mounth i get 15 new personal costumers, and this is the strategy that i pass to my REP's. First get 15 new costumers and to get the bonus, then invite people to become REP. Every mounth my residual income grows with the 15 new costumers.
Dont wait no more...is explained!
ttomasification 4 weeks ago
You can not have too much of a "Markting stratgy" when your marketing efforts for customers are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship"
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
BTW . . . I noticed you choose not to explain how residuals can make sense when you only have 2 - 10 customers. But instead explained how you have 150 and your REPs under you have an average of 25-30 customers. Could this be ... just possible ... because you understand why residuals will not make sense when REPs only have 2-10 customers. FINALLY, a REP that understands that. (read prior post).
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
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Once you get past soliciting your close friends & family by asking them to do you a "favor" and give ACN a "try" (for most people, that will be good for about 2-5 customers), it becomes very difficult to find customers when your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". It's a long road to 50 where residuals still do not make sense. Cudos to you for getting 150, but that's not what the average REP is doing.
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
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People do not like to be solicited. I mean it's one thing to have a friend's kid hitting you up for things like candy bars, popcorn, candles, cookies, wrapping paper, etc. But it's on a whole new level when it's for something like your phone service and your using your friendship as leverage to coerce someone (that's extra nice). Once you get past those that are close to you, the fact that a very small % of the market purchases service thru ACN will start to mean a lot more to you.
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
When your marketing efforts for customers are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship", you'll have a hard time finding customers. When you recruit friends & family as REPs, it will be more difficult as mutual friends & family can only be a customer for one of you. It's pretty hard to not "mix clients with REP's" when your efforts to recruit REPs are also limited to friends & family (ACN discourages going outside of them when recruiting REPs).
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
@VatomanAz Who said to you that i'm limited to expand my business has i want to? Has any franchising i'm restricted to the group politics, but that is not one of them. ACN dont discourages, ACN says to startby your family and friends, is diferent. Every day i make NEW costumers, the guy from the cofee, someone in the metro station you name it, i go after the costumers insted being waiting for them noking at my door. Beleave or not i dont have any Family member on my downline.
ttomasification 3 weeks ago
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This is a quote from page 7 of ACN's Policies and Procedures:
ACN STRICTLY PROHIBITS Independent Representatives from engaging in any cold marketing techniques for purposes of customer acquisition at any time.
Cold marketing includes any promotional activity that is geared toward random individuals who have no personal, business, social or acquaintance relationships with the Independent Representative.
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
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This is a direct quote from the VERY FIRST section of ACN's Policies and Procedures which you sign off on when you sign up for the dream. The section is titled "EXAMPLES OF UNETHICAL OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY":
4. Initiating unsolicited contact with potential customers who do not have a pre-existing relationship with the Independent Representative ("cold marketing").
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
This is a quote from page 7 of ACN's Policies and Procedures from the section titled REPRESENTATIVE ACQUISITION:
ACN strongly discourages cold marketing techniques for purposes of recruiting.
They really do not want you to recruit outside of your warm market (e.g. Family & Friends). Who said your limited? How about ACN's Policies and Procedures which you sign off on when you sign the Independent Rep Agreement.
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
You can watch videos right here on YouTube where the founders themselves are encouraging you to get support from family & friends. You know everyone has the desire to help other people. Ask them to "help" you out a little and do you a "favor" by giving ACN a "try". You can go to ACN's official YouTube channel & find videos of the "help-favor-try" videos. I know YouTube is not the place for research; heaven forbid I use ACN's Policies & Procedures and THEIR YouTube channel.
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
@VatomanAz I dont realy undestand what is your problem with ACN or with everbody that works with ACN. ACN strongly discourages but dont prohibit, because at the end everyone is friend of someone. my costumers recomend me to their friends, and they become my costumers, so as you see my costumersare always friends of someone that already is my costumer. If you have something that people want and is good people will recomend you, thats how i make new costumers. i dont see any problem here.
ttomasification 3 weeks ago
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This is a quote from page 7 of ACN's Policies and Procedures under CUSTOMER ACQUISITION:
ACN STRICTLY PROHIBITS Independent Representatives from engaging in any cold marketing techniques for purposes of customer acquisition at any time.
You really need to read all my comments & you would have noticed that I just told you this. Note the words "STRICTLY PROHIBITS". This is straight from ACN's Policies & Procedures.
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
@ttomasification
I applaud you for trying to make your arguments in English; I know it's got to be difficult - good practice though.
Also I applaud you for going against the ACN establishment. If I were to do ACN - I won't because it's a SCAM - I also would never recruit from anyone I knew. That way my REPs are not competing against each other for customers from mutual friends & when most of them "do not make a profit" (98% or so), at least my friends are not upset at me.
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
@ttomasification
The problem is when you start recruiting them as REPs. The problem is that there is absolutely no way for you to make $ without recruiting REPs - you'll never advance to levels were residuals can make sense for you, but not the thousands underneath you. The problem is that if you wanted to just go out & get customers, you'll never make $. You are encouraged to recruit, recruit, recruit. Residuals=the dream, Fees charged to REPs=Big $, ACN=SCAM.
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
The problem is that you are only making substantial $ when there are people under you who are not. I know ... your a big ACN family & it's your job to help them to recruit & train also. You are "Ok" when there is 100 people "not making a profit", but it's Ok because you can help them get to where your at. Now the 100 will be "Ok" when there is 10,000 "not making a profit", but the 100 can help the 10,000. Then 1,000,000 to support the 10k. Then 100M to support the 1M. Where's ET?
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
@VatomanAz Holy crap dude your still ranting on this video. It was like a year ago we were arguing about this. Go out side, get some sun, get laid or something shit.
justjosh0123 3 weeks ago
@justjosh0123
I appreciate your concern for my time, but when you are "ranting" the TRUTH, it does not take long to respond. I only post on this single video. A comment like this one takes about 3 minutes.
What takes a long time is when you are trying to support a position that's a bunch of BS. It can be pretty difficult to defend something that is not true which is why if you read down thru the post, you'll notice that difficulty when REPs are trying to unsuccessfully defend ACN
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
@VatomanAz Lol you crack me up. You really want to know why these guys are having a hard time defending? Their new! I can tell you strait up, that everyone of these are less than 6 months old. The people who are successful at this, don't have the time and don't need to "defend" their income to you or anyone else. Your an ignorant fast aging man. I pity you. There is so much I could tell, but I don't have the time and don't fell like it.
Keep the rant up Troll!!! =D Your amusing me!!
justjosh0123 3 weeks ago
@justjosh0123
As I recall you didn't do so well yourself. People can hit "see all" and search/find your screen name to find our prior posts.
When we were discussing it before, I was pointing out that it's damm near impossible to have enough customers PER REP for residuals to make sense for everyone when your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". But when you're signing up half your customers as REPs, I guess it doesn't matter.
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
@justjosh0123
For fun, I went back and looked. My two favorite comments were: (1) when you told me that the cold marketing limitations for CUSTOMERS had "some truth, but limited". Then I went on to show the quotes from ACN's Policies & Procedures where it clearly says it's "STRICTLY PROHIBITED". (2) when you told me we "making some progress".
Yeah . . . your just amusing the hell of out me too!!!
VatomanAz 3 weeks ago
@VatomanAz Keep Spamin Troll!!!
justjosh0123 3 weeks ago
@justjosh0123
ALL my post are replys. I never start it, I just finish it. People can hit "see all" & decide for themselves.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz Dude people aren't gona care.
I don't know if I should post this but, if you acquire 50 customer points, you are guaranteed $100 bucks a month. Every month you can sit on your butt and do nothing because you did the work once. STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS!!! DAMN! I Never knew someone could have a stick shoved so far up their ass until I met you. You don't have to acquire any reps to make money you idiot. Oh but warm market. MEET PEOPLE! Theirs a world beyond youtube O.o
justjosh0123 2 weeks ago
@justjosh0123 Of course this is based on a $40 dollar billing volume. Seriously though, that is a low number for most bills people pay every month.
justjosh0123 2 weeks ago
@justjosh0123
Wow! $100 bucks a month, that's almost enough to cover the Friday night bar tab. After you get past asking your friends and family to HELP you out and do you a FAVOR by giving ACN a TRY, customers are going to be few and far between. At the same time you're recruiting reps. Residuals can never make sense for everyone when their is only a handful of customers PER REP. On average, how many customers do you need to get to 50 pts? 25? 30?
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@justjosh0123
Look Josh . . . If you go out & recruit 50 customers (more than 50pts) and at the same time recruit just 5 Reps (I bet you've recruited more than 5). You and your 5 member team are only going to have an average of 10 customers PER REP. Now if your 5 Reps do the same, yeah you'll have 300 customers. Only problem is that there are 30 Reps. Good for the Reps on top, but only while their are Reps on the bottom that have not gotten their yet.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@justjsoh0123
I'm sure you can understand why residuals can not make sense for everyone when there is only a handful of customers PER REP. I use to think that the problem was the fact that you can only solicit people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship" (e.g. Friends & Family). Until a few months ago, when a REP proudly stated that his customers were so impressed that most of them also signed up as REPs. The whole problem with residuals is customers PER REP.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@VatomanAz Their is just no getting through to you is there? You have me and all these other people trying to tell whats up and you just don't want to take your hand away from your face. Your so obsessed about this that all you can see is a scam. YOU TALK Like you KNOW what your saying, but you don't. I can say all I want and your going to try and find away around it, a back door if you will. Your like a politician and those guys are dumb. You want a scam? Look up wall street...
justjosh0123 2 weeks ago
@justjosh0123
It's not me saying it, it's ACN's policies that say you can only market to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". It's not me saying it, it's your boy Nap about three months ago that proudly proclaimed that his customers were so impressed that half of them signed up as REPs. It's not me saying it, it was your local REPs who invited me to a meeting not to become a customer, but to become a REP. It's not me saying it, its ACN saying it.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
@justjosh0123
You must mean "back doors" like ACN's very own Policies & Procedures which you sign off on when you sign up for the dream.
VatomanAz 2 weeks ago
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[ACN - Legal]
ACN has been taken to court several times by states and countries. However, to my knowledge, they have never been convicted. Attorney Generals will not take a case to court unless they feel like there is enough evidence. The fact that the Attorney Generals of the states/countries thought they had enough to take the case to court says a lot: ACN is barely legal. But just because you are legal does not mean that you are legit. Plenty of SCAMs are legal; ACN is one of them
VatomanAz 1 month ago
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@NMJE - Posted about a month ago:
They've had plenty of close calls regarding the structure of how their $ is made under the CURRENT system. The closest being the one in Australia where the court actually found them guilty & then it was overturned, on appeal, by a higher court. The fact that the attorney generals of several states / countries have felt like they had enough evidence to take ACN to court & the one loss says a lot: Their structure is very questionable; ACN is barely legal.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
I feel so bad for those people that get easily discourage by videos like these and negative people. God only knows what are their personal reasons of why they failed. I am a law student & a proud ACN Rep and wouldn't trade this opportunity for anything else in the world! It's truly a blessing, I believe I have the most amazing mentors in my life that supports me day and night. We don't just build business partners but also friendships. Your reward will only depend on your own individual effort.
NMJE 1 month ago
@NMJE
If you're a law student, then you should have no problem arguing your points. Why don't you read down through my post & we'll discuss the ACN "opportunity". When your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship", you'll never be able to get enough customers PER REP for residuals to make sense for everyone (maybe a select few on the top). Residuals=the dream, Rep Fees = Big $, ACN = SCAM.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@VatomanAz It doesn't matter if I am a law student or the CEO of all the Banks in the World. My main point is that if you truly commit on something you BELIEVE you can DO, you WILL do it. ACN is a legal Business and not a Scam. Most people now a days, are stuck with the employee mentality. How do you expect to become a Business Owner if you are already expecting a check within a week of couple of weeks? Prior to ACN, I already had my own Business that I started at the age of 18.To be continued..
NMJE 1 month ago
@VatomanAz And from that experience I know that opening a Business is NOT easy, it requires a lot of support and of course a lot of money. If a person is going to call a legal company a scam? Just because the company asked for a fee of $499 or because they haven't received a proper check within 5 days or weeks. They are clearly still living in the employee mentality. To be continued...
NMJE 1 month ago
@VatomanAz ACN is not a scam nor a job, it is a legal BUSINESS, a Business that can definitely give you a huge advantage in life if ONLY you do the proper procedures. ACN is a 2-5 year Business plan not a 2-5 weeks nor a 2-5 months plan. You will only be able to see the right income within years and THEN you can give your opinion if this LEGAL COMPANY truly works. If you haven't been in the business, or have only based you decisions from other peoples bad reviews...To be continued...
NMJE 1 month ago
@VatomanAz & you easily get discourage by others & let them decide your future, then that is your life & loss.You want to continue with your current life, then do so. But do not discourage others by telling them that ACN is a Scam when there is plenty of proof of THOUSANDS of people that have been successful and recovered their dreams because of ACN. Want to be successful?THEN, follow successful people,so you can get what YOU deserve in Life! We only live once so at least make the best of IT.
NMJE 1 month ago
@NMJE
Its a scam because there is not much opportunity to make residuals from customers. But there is plenty of opportunity to make big $ from fees charged to recruits. I never said ACN was illegal (read prior post), however it is most definitely a SCAM. I would encourage you to read prior post where I clearly show that residuals = the dream (the real product) & fees charged to new recruits = big $ for the select few.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@VatomanAz Yea..Its a"SCAM"&you know who's in the Scam?Thousands of professionals:Doctors,Lawyers,RealStateAgents,Attorneys,traditional business owners,average people,DonaldTrump,NHL Players,President of Sony&VirginRecords,Bishops,Beyonce,etc&was even published by Fortune&INC.Magazine,USAToday,publications like Direct Selling News,Success from HomeMagazine a record-breaking six consecutive years&is with the HIGHEST providers in 23 different GOVERNMENTS&YOURE the only one who is not in the scam:)
NMJE 1 month ago
@NMJE
Most of that is bought and paid for. There's plenty of people that will endorse or say just about anything for a buck.
Companies like Enron & Madoff's various enterprises were praised and admired by many also and look where that all ended up. Just because you have some people singing the praises of your company does not make you an honest opportunity.
I see you choose not to explain how residuals work when recruiting all those reps.
ACN is clearly a SCAM, yet it survives.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@NMJE
I personally know many Doctors and Lawyers, and none of them would have anything to do with this mess; it's all they can do just to stay on top of new developments in their profession (if they are any good).
Funny thing . . . if you read down thru the comments here you'll find out that nearly all of the ACN people posting here are young people.
I got involved when ACN recruited my 18 year old niece and then tried to recruit her parents, family, and friends.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
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@NMJE
Explain to me how residuals can make sense when half your customers also sign on as representatives (or even 1 out 10 becoming reps; which would mean that each rep has an average of 10 customers). But an ACN rep just a few post down explains how it's such a good deal that "Half" his customers sign up as reps also. I bet he's made plenty of CABs. WOW !!!
VatomanAz 1 month ago
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kilaniga20 2 months ago
Ive been in Acn a yr now and I cant complain the people that dont work the business wont make any money then will complain its a scam this video is so old we have alot more than phones and getting more in the next coming yr scams dont last this long this is a legit company dont believe me holla at me and let me give u some services and see how much money u save on your energy bill home security computer tech I LOVE THIS COMPANY AND MY POCKETTS DO TO GREAT JOB ACN
thuggish456 2 months ago
@thuggish456
The products are just a smoke screen. The real product is the dream of being financially independent and beyond. Plenty of SCAMs have existed practically forever. A good SCAM can go forever. It's starts off with I'll save you $ on your bills and progresses to "hey you can help your friends and family also" for $500 and make big $. Residuals PER REP will never make sense when you only have a few customers PER REP. The big $ is in the fees charged to recruits. "see all"
VatomanAz 2 months ago
@VatomanAz i am not in acn, never heard of the company till recently..but will say htis regarding your comments..its not a bad thing for people to dream, what do you suggest they do, just be complacent with the jobs they have, barely makin enuff to meet living expenses and never gettin to live life the way they have always wanted to..what is wrong with givin people a chance to learn a business that can help people, while at the same time providing them with much needed extra income?.
carsonc29 1 month ago
@carsonc29
No problem with dreaming. The problem is when your dream involves an "opportunity" that is marketed as "the dream", when it is really just a SCAM. Residuals=the dream, fees charged to reps = Big $, ACN = SCAM.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@VatomanAz people think that everyone is any MLM company wants to be a millionaire, most do not, most are happy making an extra 500 a month to subsadize their retirement income, or to do other financial things that the pay at their job does not afford them the ability to do
carsonc29 1 month ago
@carsonc29
Like I said just a few comments down: IF they sold it as a way to make a little extra cash, I'd be OK. But the clearly do not. I mean . . . just go look at some of the videos (particularly the ACN life style) & try to tell me they are selling as a way to make a little extra cash. Please !!!
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@VatomanAz any business should be focused on sales, recruiting is just a way to leverage your time and expand your income..this concept is not new, real estate uses something similar with its broker and agents..a broker can focus on sales, or they can recruit and train agents, they make a sale, the broker gets paid as well due to the fact that the broker trained the agent to make money..by doin this the broker can make more money while do less work..gettin involved in any mlm like ACN
carsonc29 1 month ago
@carsonc29
It's hard to focus on customers and sales when your marketing efforts are limited to people with whom you have a "pre-existing relationship". You really need to hit "see all" and read through post for more on that.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
@VatomanAz can be like dating, you can meet a person who could be good for you, but they come off way too strong, needy, and pushy nad it just turns you off completely, what the ACN reps should do, is siimply inform people of what the company does, how it could benift them, and let them decide, if the product is that good and helpfull, then itlls sell itself..like i mentioned b4, im not totally sure how ACN works so i can only say so much about it.
carsonc29 1 month ago
@carsonc29
Hit "see all" & read down through the many discussions that I've had with people (most likely reps) and you can see what it's all about. Recently there was a rep that admitted, after many post, that half his customers like it so much they became reps. If the whole world used ACN, it's not going to work out very well when half are also reps. It's the whole customers PER REP problem. However, it works good for fees charged to reps.
VatomanAz 1 month ago
Its funny, because they think they know what ACN is about...however, Fox can't even get the name right. All Communications Network, not American....i think they should do JUST a bit more research before they go putting down an amazing opportunity that helped THOUSANDS of people...
thednmshow 2 months ago
@thednmshow
ACN has many subsidary, affiliated, and related companies covering many different names. Take a look at your Policies and Procedures, Independent Rep Agreement, and Compensation Plan and see how often you find "All Communications Network". It's not important, a lot of that video is ACN speaking for itself. I'm pretty sure that in the many post I've made here, I've stuck with just "ACN". Since I get the name right, maybe you should "see all" and read down thru them.
VatomanAz 2 months ago
@thednmshow If thousands of people have been helped by this psudo opportunity, how many tens of millions have been ripped of to help these chosen few?
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