0:12 where the index finger of the trail hand meets the aft side of the clubshaft shaft is known as the number 3 pressure point in TGM terms and its vital.
Hogan DID describe this in five lessons. I suggest you get a copy and look at it a little closer, there's a sketch showing the hands and arrows pointing to the direction of applied pressure.
I have a friend who's dead mother actually knew Valerie Hogan very well in Dallas way back when and she told her one day that Ben secretly said; "he would NEVER give away any worthwhile secrets because some hacker paid 4 dollars for a book, after he spent a lifetime discovering these things"...... The five secrets are a wild goose chase for the obsessive goofer.
Ben also said; Golf cannot be taught, only learned"
everyone is going to swing the club a little differently. everyone is going to feel different things in their swing. for someone who is used to their left arm dominating things, the feeling of applying force with any part of their right side might feel like it's "overuse". he didn't need to mention this in 5 lessons because he would think a golfer would intuitively (or inadvertently) figure out how to apply power with both hands. this is what he feels. this is what i feel. you might not.
@dschultz6072 for me, unless i apply this force with my right side, i find it very difficult to consistently strike the ball square and compress it. it might feel like i'm letting my right arm run the show, but i knew how to swing the club with just my left arm long ago.
For the 13 cap Hogan nerds: "When the left wrist is in this position (bowed), the left hand will not check or interrupt the speed with which your clubhead is traveling. There's no danger either that the right hand will overpower the left and twist the club over. It can't. As far as applying power, I wish that I had three right hands!"
hit this dumb guy into that dumb guy into that dumb guy.
Pushing on the back of the shaft with the right hand would cause the club to rotate around the left hand. Half way into the downswing pushing on the back of the shaft with the right hand would cause the club to rotate up & over the top of the left hand.
@mazdaspeedmx512lbs Have you considered that the pressure he is describing is being exerted by the shaft on his finger...rather than the other way around? It is a passively sensed pressure rather than an actively exerted pressure...IMO
@golfbulldog Yes. I think during the down swing the clubhead & shaft is being pulled down & the right hand stops it by holding it up guiding the club down to impact. When the shaft is held parallel with the ground you have to push down with the left hand & up with the right hand to hold the club head up. The more verticle the shaft the less pressure you would feel the club head pushing down on the right hand. Hogan had a flat swing.
If you want to feel what Mr. Hogan was describing (for RH's): attempt a sound grip - then take your thumb and pinky finger completely off the club - then point your index finger straight down towards the ground. This will position the proper portion of your index finger on the club. Make some practice swings holding the club with this grip and work your way into hitting balls. You will almost instantly feel the role of the index finger (and yes the clubface will remain open during these DRILLS)
whichever way you like to describe it, it IS in fact the the index finger actively applying pressure. You may feel it during the first half of your backswing, but probably not thereafter. But if you are/were an proficient ball striker you will feel and understand the role it plays as the club travels into impact. W/O the proper use of that meat of the index finger, you will have to compensate with something else (I find most golfers use extra grip pressure, or a super strong handed grip etc.)
@golfbulldog Again i say the guy in the video is describing what is actually happening incorrectly. Applying force to the back side of the shaft during the downswing in order to accelerate the club head toward the target goes against physics.
This holds true with Jack Nicklaus' thing: THAT THE LEFT ARM DOMINATES, AND THE RIGHT ARM CAN ONLY BE A PASSIVE SPECTATOR, OR ELSE A PARTY-POOPER.
The right arm and the "cocking" and the " un-cocking" of its wrist is totally an involuntary thing that's controlled by the torque of the torso and the left arm (for righty golfers, mind).
This is key. Pushing fwd thru impact with the outside of your lower right index finger gives you that beautiful contact sound...like a 90 mile an hour fastball hitting a catcher's mitt
Hogan made the golf swing quite simple, which is why he was successful. A decent grip and a concerted effort to begin your downswing with a hip turn makes a perfect shot.
I have put away all of my training crap since I started watching his videos and studying his swing and I am playing the best I ever have in my life.
@lolraxjimmy Hogan said he started with a hip turn but in actuality he started with a lateral shift and then the hip turn. Check out the Hogan Way book. It is excellent. BTW...my swing is now based on Hogan too. The best part is how the back of his left hand, right palm and the clubface all face the target line at halfway down. Since I started doing this, I'm hitting the ball sweetly.
check my lesson out on the proper grip and release and check my swing out at hitmanhawky almost as good as bens best lesson on the tube at hitmanhawky thanks
btw my opinion is: a) he wouldn't tell what he worked his life to find b) would disinform like Tiger c) he knew his swing inside out so it could work d) no one body part can 'fire' an automatic downswing (which in my view is the only secret worth knowing). e) the mind can make your body slice/hook/top the ball IF YOU THINK 'SLICE/HOOK/TOP' regardless of any 'secret' and f) Maybe he built a swing to hit hard hooks unless he did ONE key thing. If there is a secret, that's where it'll be found IMO.
not touching the handle at all. But the back of the first joint of his forefinger pressed against the handle. Victor East of Spalding built special grips with flat pieces for the back of Jone's right foefinger which woul dbe illegal today...' 'The fact is, a top player can change his grip enough to cause a draw or a fade or a slice or a hook and an observer can't see the change. The top player feels it, and it happens.'
"Very little pressure on the index finger of the right hand and the thumb. You get the pressure with your right hand, with this butt-pad of your index finger [inaudible 'going'?] through. It isn't any pressure down or around the shaft - it's just forward." *I read in a biography of Bobby Jones that he had a completely flat area on his grips where the index finger met the shaft. Then flat areas were banned...
It wasn't Bobby Jones 'The Grand Slam' which is a very badly written book btw - like most golf books - wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. It's from 'The Grip', p32 Harvey Penick Little Red Golf Book, where he says: 'In his famous book, Five Lessons, Hogan says that the tips of the thumb and forefinger of the bottom hand should never touch each other. Others teach that the thumb and forefinger should meld like a trigger. Bobby Jones used the overlapping grip with the tip of his right forefinger
When he talks about very little pressure on the index finger and thumb and more on the pad of the two middle fingers on the right hand help create lag by maintaining the right wrist angle with the club head leading in the downswing... this was the secret as to why Mr Hogan created such lag in his swing
You wouldn't be able to see it without without the hi speed photography that slows down the swing like the Bizhub swing analysis that's used on tour. You would be able to see the lag because the slo mo photography would allow you to see how the club shaft is actually stressed on the downswing through impact; lag is just simply stressing, or loading the clubshaft.
you cant see the lag? wow.. must be blind.. just watch his downswing as he starts to clear left hip. look at angle of wrists and shaft.. theres your lag.. Sergio is closest to emulating it..
0:12 where the index finger of the trail hand meets the aft side of the clubshaft shaft is known as the number 3 pressure point in TGM terms and its vital.
hogansquest 2 weeks ago
Hogan DID describe this in five lessons. I suggest you get a copy and look at it a little closer, there's a sketch showing the hands and arrows pointing to the direction of applied pressure.
kelseyps1028 3 months ago
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I love reading the comments for this video. The phrase paralysis by analysis comes to mind. And yes, I suffer from that affliction.
lafreeway 4 months ago
I have a friend who's dead mother actually knew Valerie Hogan very well in Dallas way back when and she told her one day that Ben secretly said; "he would NEVER give away any worthwhile secrets because some hacker paid 4 dollars for a book, after he spent a lifetime discovering these things"...... The five secrets are a wild goose chase for the obsessive goofer.
Ben also said; Golf cannot be taught, only learned"
MegaSpeculator 8 months ago
everyone is going to swing the club a little differently. everyone is going to feel different things in their swing. for someone who is used to their left arm dominating things, the feeling of applying force with any part of their right side might feel like it's "overuse". he didn't need to mention this in 5 lessons because he would think a golfer would intuitively (or inadvertently) figure out how to apply power with both hands. this is what he feels. this is what i feel. you might not.
dschultz6072 1 year ago
@dschultz6072 for me, unless i apply this force with my right side, i find it very difficult to consistently strike the ball square and compress it. it might feel like i'm letting my right arm run the show, but i knew how to swing the club with just my left arm long ago.
dschultz6072 1 year ago
For the 13 cap Hogan nerds: "When the left wrist is in this position (bowed), the left hand will not check or interrupt the speed with which your clubhead is traveling. There's no danger either that the right hand will overpower the left and twist the club over. It can't. As far as applying power, I wish that I had three right hands!"
hit this dumb guy into that dumb guy into that dumb guy.
dschultz6072 1 year ago
True that - takes a lot of courage
peppers2266 1 year ago
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peppers2266 1 year ago
Pushing on the back of the shaft with the right hand would cause the club to rotate around the left hand. Half way into the downswing pushing on the back of the shaft with the right hand would cause the club to rotate up & over the top of the left hand.
mazdaspeedmx512lbs 1 year ago
@mazdaspeedmx512lbs Have you considered that the pressure he is describing is being exerted by the shaft on his finger...rather than the other way around? It is a passively sensed pressure rather than an actively exerted pressure...IMO
golfbulldog 1 year ago
@golfbulldog Yes. I think during the down swing the clubhead & shaft is being pulled down & the right hand stops it by holding it up guiding the club down to impact. When the shaft is held parallel with the ground you have to push down with the left hand & up with the right hand to hold the club head up. The more verticle the shaft the less pressure you would feel the club head pushing down on the right hand. Hogan had a flat swing.
mazdaspeedmx512lbs 1 year ago
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hennybogan007 4 months ago
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hennybogan007 4 months ago
If you want to feel what Mr. Hogan was describing (for RH's): attempt a sound grip - then take your thumb and pinky finger completely off the club - then point your index finger straight down towards the ground. This will position the proper portion of your index finger on the club. Make some practice swings holding the club with this grip and work your way into hitting balls. You will almost instantly feel the role of the index finger (and yes the clubface will remain open during these DRILLS)
BenHoganPGA 4 months ago
whichever way you like to describe it, it IS in fact the the index finger actively applying pressure. You may feel it during the first half of your backswing, but probably not thereafter. But if you are/were an proficient ball striker you will feel and understand the role it plays as the club travels into impact. W/O the proper use of that meat of the index finger, you will have to compensate with something else (I find most golfers use extra grip pressure, or a super strong handed grip etc.)
BenHoganPGA 4 months ago
i say the guy in the video is describing what is actually happening incorrectly.
mazdaspeedmx512lbs 1 year ago
@mazdaspeedmx512lbs The "guy in the video" is Ben Hogan...I'd listen a little harder to what he says...
golfbulldog 1 year ago 5
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@golfbulldog Again i say the guy in the video is describing what is actually happening incorrectly. Applying force to the back side of the shaft during the downswing in order to accelerate the club head toward the target goes against physics.
mazdaspeedmx512lbs 1 year ago
This holds true with Jack Nicklaus' thing: THAT THE LEFT ARM DOMINATES, AND THE RIGHT ARM CAN ONLY BE A PASSIVE SPECTATOR, OR ELSE A PARTY-POOPER.
The right arm and the "cocking" and the " un-cocking" of its wrist is totally an involuntary thing that's controlled by the torque of the torso and the left arm (for righty golfers, mind).
xxxMrSuspendedxxx 1 year ago
This is key. Pushing fwd thru impact with the outside of your lower right index finger gives you that beautiful contact sound...like a 90 mile an hour fastball hitting a catcher's mitt
FairwayJack 1 year ago
Great clip thanks bulldawg.
paulski5 1 year ago
Hogan made the golf swing quite simple, which is why he was successful. A decent grip and a concerted effort to begin your downswing with a hip turn makes a perfect shot.
I have put away all of my training crap since I started watching his videos and studying his swing and I am playing the best I ever have in my life.
lolraxjimmy 2 years ago
@lolraxjimmy exactly man everyone nowadays is worried about to much shit.....
12Lisi 1 year ago
@lolraxjimmy Hogan said he started with a hip turn but in actuality he started with a lateral shift and then the hip turn. Check out the Hogan Way book. It is excellent. BTW...my swing is now based on Hogan too. The best part is how the back of his left hand, right palm and the clubface all face the target line at halfway down. Since I started doing this, I'm hitting the ball sweetly.
FairwayJack 1 year ago
check my lesson out on the proper grip and release and check my swing out at hitmanhawky almost as good as bens best lesson on the tube at hitmanhawky thanks
hitmanhawky 2 years ago
this changed my golf swing at 52. nice price says same thing. pressing forward makes lay off impossible and assures hands are facing each other.
donlarsennn 2 years ago
With his amount of wristcock I believe him. I heard he fought a hook for years. My gosh I wish I had a swing like his was.
flintrox 2 years ago
btw my opinion is: a) he wouldn't tell what he worked his life to find b) would disinform like Tiger c) he knew his swing inside out so it could work d) no one body part can 'fire' an automatic downswing (which in my view is the only secret worth knowing). e) the mind can make your body slice/hook/top the ball IF YOU THINK 'SLICE/HOOK/TOP' regardless of any 'secret' and f) Maybe he built a swing to hit hard hooks unless he did ONE key thing. If there is a secret, that's where it'll be found IMO.
lithepanther 2 years ago
not touching the handle at all. But the back of the first joint of his forefinger pressed against the handle. Victor East of Spalding built special grips with flat pieces for the back of Jone's right foefinger which woul dbe illegal today...' 'The fact is, a top player can change his grip enough to cause a draw or a fade or a slice or a hook and an observer can't see the change. The top player feels it, and it happens.'
lithepanther 2 years ago
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lhwood777 2 years ago
"Very little pressure on the index finger of the right hand and the thumb. You get the pressure with your right hand, with this butt-pad of your index finger [inaudible 'going'?] through. It isn't any pressure down or around the shaft - it's just forward." *I read in a biography of Bobby Jones that he had a completely flat area on his grips where the index finger met the shaft. Then flat areas were banned...
lithepanther 2 years ago
Thanks - which biography was that?
golfbulldog 2 years ago
It wasn't Bobby Jones 'The Grand Slam' which is a very badly written book btw - like most golf books - wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. It's from 'The Grip', p32 Harvey Penick Little Red Golf Book, where he says: 'In his famous book, Five Lessons, Hogan says that the tips of the thumb and forefinger of the bottom hand should never touch each other. Others teach that the thumb and forefinger should meld like a trigger. Bobby Jones used the overlapping grip with the tip of his right forefinger
lithepanther 2 years ago
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lithepanther 2 years ago
Very adept observation, makes one wonder what direction the force was being applied at that juncture between the grip and the hand? No?
scend1 2 years ago
LMAO Kilo. Greg Kraft, hilarious ...
handsome175 2 years ago
When he talks about very little pressure on the index finger and thumb and more on the pad of the two middle fingers on the right hand help create lag by maintaining the right wrist angle with the club head leading in the downswing... this was the secret as to why Mr Hogan created such lag in his swing
brown547 3 years ago
He had a lot of lag? I don't see it...
KiloKaiGolf 3 years ago
You wouldn't be able to see it without without the hi speed photography that slows down the swing like the Bizhub swing analysis that's used on tour. You would be able to see the lag because the slo mo photography would allow you to see how the club shaft is actually stressed on the downswing through impact; lag is just simply stressing, or loading the clubshaft.
brown547 3 years ago
Oh. Was this guy considered a good ball striker?...
KiloKaiGolf 3 years ago
The best striker to play the game
brown547 3 years ago
I thought Greg Kraft was the best ball striker. I heard Tom Watson say that once. Greg Kraft vs Ben Hogan?
KiloKaiGolf 3 years ago
Jeeze........................!
davidleealford 2 years ago
you cant see the lag? wow.. must be blind.. just watch his downswing as he starts to clear left hip. look at angle of wrists and shaft.. theres your lag.. Sergio is closest to emulating it..
angus4463 2 years ago
Yeah I'm gonna watch it again. What about Greg Kraft? Tom Watson said this kid was best striker he's seen. How's Kraft's lag?
KiloKaiGolf 2 years ago
there is something that not is hogans 5 lessons that he did do (and he knew he did it)...this is straight from the book though.
dklein24 3 years ago
Why is everybody thinking there's a load of secrets? It's all in 5 lessons.
Noallegiance 3 years ago 4
interesting
SBPStudio 3 years ago