@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 I don't support him! I've already said I don't like a lot that he's done. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to speak when he's invited to a speaking engagement.
The corruption on wall street is nothing compared to the corruption going on in this goverment you fools elected.Obama is the biggest joke on the planet and people finally realizing it. Pathetic to say the least and spending this country into the ground. This man is so stupid and clueless for answers all he knows is to just throw money around. A republican BETTER get elected in 2012 or we are all doomed
@genepaulgagnard Check the CBO report on the stimulus it saved or created jobs. Besides that spending stuff is Republican agitprop used in such a way because it has powerful emotional appeal. We spent when we did not really have the income, we all have debt we have had to deal with painfully, but if everyone adopts austerity and cuts spending, the recession only gets worse, the deficits can only be eliminated with jobs, taxes on the most fortunate and no more wars.
You people once you finally grow up will realize how idiotic your thinking was. I work for a corp company and very happy to have a job. By the time you people are my age this country may very well be broke and in poverty. You think you don't like the goverment now just wait!
People better wake up and fast.... There are no free rides in this world!!!
Whats up with all those dumbasses getting annoyed by the OWS, you guys complain how these "low lives" "senseless hipsters" have nothing better to do than this. While you guys are working your asses off for these corporate companies! While unfair laws are being passed right in front of your eyes! Shit at least i see these people trying to do something about the corrupt government we live in!
@dude0970 thank you ! baaaa fear full sheeplet, Ignorant to the fact that they are also the 99% no matter how complicit they are hoping that the crumbs will keep trickling their way.
Karl Rove I don't think The Occupy people like you! LOL! Greedy crooks should be in Prison and your still giving speeches? We Are The 99%! Karl your lies are now visible to the public.
@transparentpolitics what happens when someone that doesn't share the opinion of ows comes to ows? They get assaulted and get pushed out of the protest.
@Dariuszdavi "pushed around" is irrelevant to the issue of protesters at Karl Rove's speech. The protesters here are not responsible for others actions. Those hypothetical "others" are adults that are responsible for their own actions.
Rove should be more than heckled. Like the drill sergeant in Full Metal Jacket said to Private Pyle - "your balls should be ripped from your sack and disposed of so you do not contaminate the rest of the world!" - or something like that. Karl Christian Rove is truly evil incarnate - wars as campaign fodder, what a lovely idea Turd-blossom, anything so that we win and you lose.
Mic checks are great, but only if you have the room. Otherwise wait for the Q & A and fry him then, with sound strong arguments. Fire hard hitting questions and don't back down. Make your presence known, sure. Piss off the room, no.
@transparentpolitics Of course they won't graciously give people time. Non the less, understanding how important timing is to the power of your statment can make or break your cause. If he's not gracious because you interupt him, you look bad. If he's not gracious when your points are better than his, he looks bad. Let him say, his bullshit about the 1% pull the the load, the say something like,"If 1% are paying more than 50% taxes with a rate that is 2% higher, what's that really mean?
@transparentpolitics No I get that, I'm all for it. It needs to happen. Challenging fuck wades like Carl Rove is great. People like him are wrecking the world. It needs to be stopped. Stand up and make your challenge, just remember the real challenge is winning the audience. That not Carl Rove it's people listening to him. Yell and scream all you want, if you want people to hear you you hear to say something they are going to listen to.
Open mic is great. My company stacked the McCain reelection ten years ago. We were told when to clap for the jerk. I was pd 12.00 an hour back them.
Today, they are still playing, but I am not. Corporations are not HUMANS. So corrupt. Even the jail system is privately owned, making millions for housing innocents given green bologna. Water boarding Cain, Bachman etc... Time to remember we are the 99% and we hire THEM! Fire em all.BTW Romney is BAIN. Google him. Thieves. Scoundrels
Bush's brain? And they never did find it. Another psychopath and war criminal serving the interests of Cheney and oil cartel. How many have lost their lives and prosperity due to his input? He should be locked up. They should have made a citizens arrest and turned him over to the proper authorities. The only problem with that is that the courts are thoroughly corrupt and serve the interests of the monopolies. Better to lynch him, skewer him and roast him alive right after his lousy speech.
Why would anyone allow a criminal like Karl Rove speak at their institution of higher learning? Want to hear him? Go to a speech at one of his right-wing events.
@BarbaraJD the same Hopkins MSE symposium invited David Axelrod, Obama's former senior advisor and campaign manager, only 6 days prior. inviting rove was an attempt to keep it balanced: one from the left, one from the right. you can have opinions about his policies, but you cannot deny he has a tremendous breadth of experience. for much of the past decade he was among the top 5 most powerful men in the world for all his influence over american politics. that's a noteworthy title, good or bad.
@11dorisa I'm sure that was the thinking behind inviting him to speak. The fact remains that what he has done to the U.S. and it's citizens has been criminal. I don't care how "experienced in American politics" a person is, if they helped ruin the economy and do a myriad of unconscionable actions, they shouldn't be speaking at a University.
@BarbaraJD that's simply not a fact. the US does not recognize all international law, and there is by no means a consensus that karl rove is a criminal or a liar. it can be your opinion, and it can be your opinion that the university shouldn't have invited him. but they did. at which point it is not your right to disrupt their private engagement with a legally free man, whether you think he OUGHT to be free or not. Columbia got frikin' Mahmoud Ahmedinijad a few years ago, and ppl let him speak!
@11dorisa US under Bush and didn't recognize virtually any international law, including, or even many of the laws in the U.S. either., and that is the problem. His attack ad on Elizabeth Warren proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Rove is indeed a liar. As to Rove's criminality, one only needs to do a bit of research to make that clear as well. We will have to agree to disagree, but I think the facts speak for themselves.
Karl Rove should be in jail. Criminals don't deserve the rights in the constitution. How many people have died because of this man? It is easy for people to ignore it or pretend he is a legitimate leader because its not your familiy member that was killed because of his fucking greed.
@feedeveryonenow "criminals don't deserve the rights in the constitution"...actually, many of the rights in the constitution were designed specifically for criminals. the right to a fair and speedy trial. right to a trial by jury. no double jeopardy. no unreasonable searches and seizures. no cruel and unusual punishment. and yes, everyone gets the right to free speech too. "If you don't support freedom of speech for those you disagree with, you don't support it at all." - Noam Chomsky
@11dorisa That's not his point feedeveryonenow is making. You are saying Rove has something intelligent and legitimate to say because he "has vast experience in politics." What we are saying is that doesn't make up for what he is - criminal, and hasn't been prosecuted for it, just like the leaders of many Financial corporations, and like Cheney & Rumsfeld & Bush. The fact that they are FREE to speak at Universities is a travesty.
@11dorisa I dont think the founding fathers intended people to drive other people to poverty. They didnt think the rich would starve the poor. They believed in equality and humanity.
@eFFeCTzFamily Sure they did, but equality as in equality under the law, not equality of results. The only way the rich can starve the poor and drive others into poverty is if they are protected from competition. Only a big government can do that for them. A free system in which the government treats all people equally will lead to more prosperity for everyone. and the founders absolutely understood that.
@Rad1ka1 That's not true, I was there, I filmed it, and anyone could get up to ask a question. It was first come fist serve, so not everybody got a chance due to time constraints, but the questions were certainly not pre-selected. Rove got pretty angry at some of the questions for citing false statistics, so if they were pre-selected those questions would have been weeded out.
@11dorisa Why are you so concerned about formalities when it was obvious Karl Rove did not respect rules when invading Iraq or when he broke voting laws by targeting blacks and removing their votes. Check out Greg Palast black votes for more info
@ladyjadj nobody's asking you to shut up...on your own time. on my time, at a speech I'm attending as a student of JHU to hear what Karl Rove has to say, you will shut up, or you will be escorted from the building as you should be. i don't like karl rove, but you have zero right to invade and disrupt a private speech with chants that nobody accept you wants to hear. the protest outside the building before the speech was fine, a great example of making your movement's voice heard. this wasn't.
@11dorisa Christ, no wonder we're seen as a nation of pussies with people like you getting all sensitive because we interrupted the poor baby's speech.
@ladyjadj the so called 99 percent is nothing more than idiot liberals who dont have job's because they got their liberal arts degrees and then surprise surprise, couldnt find a real job. The real 99 percent is the silent people who have jobs, and not the idiots in these protests.
@jacobew2000 Most of those people that have jobs I am more than certain support what occupy does and are proud to have occupiers support them on their behalf. The majority of people at the protest in my town of St. Louis had the unions behind them and were former carpenters electricians factory workers that no longer had jobs (and some no homes) because of wall street,the fed and these DAMN wars.
Karl Rove you spend $300,000 on attack ad against Elizabeth Warren. Your ad make me want to go support Elizabeth this season. You are a damn fool!! Your money can not buy the heart and mind of the american people. People are awaken to your lies....
If 2/3rds of the top 1% are businesses, then the top 1% is really the top 0.33%? Oh I get it, because wealth is concentrated in even FEWER people than 1%, I am supposed to sit down and shut up and stop being so presumptuous and arrogant.
While I don't agree that people should be drowned out and not allowed to speak, people like KR definitely need to be slapped in the face with mass rhetoric from time to time so that they remember that the bottom 99.7% is mostly human, unlike the top 1%.
@loganwchin lol I thought this was my post at first. I posted on the first one: the top 2/3 are small businesses??? we are not talking about taxing them. We are talking about increasing taxes on the top 1% THE TOP ONE PERCENT...THEY ARE NOT SMALL BUSINESSES, THEY ARE LARGE, HUGE CORPORATIONS WITH BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!! DUH!!!!!!!
If 2/3rds of the top 1% are businesses, then the top 1% is really the top 0.33%? Oh I get it, because wealth is concentrated in even FEWER people than 1%, I am supposed to sit down and shut up and stop being so presumptuous and arrogant.
While I don't agree that people should be drowned out and not allowed to speak, people like KR definitely need to be slapped in the face with mass rhetoric from time to time so that they remember that the 99.7% is mostly people, and not mostly businesses.
@11dorisa How can you even support war criminals like Karl Rove?
CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 4 days ago
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 I don't support him! I've already said I don't like a lot that he's done. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to speak when he's invited to a speaking engagement.
11dorisa 4 days ago
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CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 4 days ago
@11dorisa Rove has had 61 years to spread his lies. Now it's time for we the people to have our turn.
CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 4 days ago
mike check !!!!!!!!!!!
TheMurf66 2 months ago
awesome on board. wanna help
TheMurf66 2 months ago
The corruption on wall street is nothing compared to the corruption going on in this goverment you fools elected.Obama is the biggest joke on the planet and people finally realizing it. Pathetic to say the least and spending this country into the ground. This man is so stupid and clueless for answers all he knows is to just throw money around. A republican BETTER get elected in 2012 or we are all doomed
genepaulgagnard 3 months ago
@genepaulgagnard Check the CBO report on the stimulus it saved or created jobs. Besides that spending stuff is Republican agitprop used in such a way because it has powerful emotional appeal. We spent when we did not really have the income, we all have debt we have had to deal with painfully, but if everyone adopts austerity and cuts spending, the recession only gets worse, the deficits can only be eliminated with jobs, taxes on the most fortunate and no more wars.
Meade556 3 months ago
You people once you finally grow up will realize how idiotic your thinking was. I work for a corp company and very happy to have a job. By the time you people are my age this country may very well be broke and in poverty. You think you don't like the goverment now just wait!
People better wake up and fast.... There are no free rides in this world!!!
genepaulgagnard 3 months ago
@genepaulgagnard you missed the point...look harder.
therevepigee 1 month ago
Rove deserves to be interrupted/heckled/mic checked at every single public appearance until his last breath.
fratdawgg23 3 months ago
Whats up with all those dumbasses getting annoyed by the OWS, you guys complain how these "low lives" "senseless hipsters" have nothing better to do than this. While you guys are working your asses off for these corporate companies! While unfair laws are being passed right in front of your eyes! Shit at least i see these people trying to do something about the corrupt government we live in!
dude0970 3 months ago 3
@dude0970
Key difference you actually point out yourself is "working".
echo539 3 months ago
@dude0970 thank you ! baaaa fear full sheeplet, Ignorant to the fact that they are also the 99% no matter how complicit they are hoping that the crumbs will keep trickling their way.
therestofus1 3 months ago
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Fuck you Rove
cheechanchux 3 months ago
This guy Rove does not believe in The Constitution.
AwesomeBeatles 3 months ago 2
Karl Rove I don't think The Occupy people like you! LOL! Greedy crooks should be in Prison and your still giving speeches? We Are The 99%! Karl your lies are now visible to the public.
ladeshia63 3 months ago
ALL THE STUPID FUCK PROTESTERS SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR 5 YEARS.
Dariuszdavi 3 months ago
@Dariuszdavi Thank you Mr Brown Shirt!
damania 3 months ago
@Dariuszdavi ah yes... 1st Amendment: what a horrid idea.
transparentpolitics 3 months ago
@transparentpolitics what happens when someone that doesn't share the opinion of ows comes to ows? They get assaulted and get pushed out of the protest.
Dariuszdavi 3 months ago
@Dariuszdavi "pushed around" is irrelevant to the issue of protesters at Karl Rove's speech. The protesters here are not responsible for others actions. Those hypothetical "others" are adults that are responsible for their own actions.
transparentpolitics 3 months ago
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@transparentpolitics well then its just like the tea party then. Why dont you guys support the tea party?
The tea party is against the wars, the federal reserve, cia, homeland security, tsa, torture, nato and many more things. Join them ffs.
Dariuszdavi 3 months ago
wow these protesters are stupid fucks
Dariuszdavi 3 months ago
Rove should be more than heckled. Like the drill sergeant in Full Metal Jacket said to Private Pyle - "your balls should be ripped from your sack and disposed of so you do not contaminate the rest of the world!" - or something like that. Karl Christian Rove is truly evil incarnate - wars as campaign fodder, what a lovely idea Turd-blossom, anything so that we win and you lose.
Tsnore 3 months ago
Mic checks are great, but only if you have the room. Otherwise wait for the Q & A and fry him then, with sound strong arguments. Fire hard hitting questions and don't back down. Make your presence known, sure. Piss off the room, no.
vtcheflw 3 months ago
@vtcheflw No. The 1% will not graciously give anyone time. Pus the propaganda must be stopped before it is spoken.
transparentpolitics 3 months ago
@transparentpolitics Of course they won't graciously give people time. Non the less, understanding how important timing is to the power of your statment can make or break your cause. If he's not gracious because you interupt him, you look bad. If he's not gracious when your points are better than his, he looks bad. Let him say, his bullshit about the 1% pull the the load, the say something like,"If 1% are paying more than 50% taxes with a rate that is 2% higher, what's that really mean?
vtcheflw 3 months ago 2
@vtcheflw This isn't a "statement" this is a PROTEST. A "statement" doesn't get press coverage.
transparentpolitics 3 months ago
@transparentpolitics No I get that, I'm all for it. It needs to happen. Challenging fuck wades like Carl Rove is great. People like him are wrecking the world. It needs to be stopped. Stand up and make your challenge, just remember the real challenge is winning the audience. That not Carl Rove it's people listening to him. Yell and scream all you want, if you want people to hear you you hear to say something they are going to listen to.
vtcheflw 3 months ago
Open mic is great. My company stacked the McCain reelection ten years ago. We were told when to clap for the jerk. I was pd 12.00 an hour back them.
Today, they are still playing, but I am not. Corporations are not HUMANS. So corrupt. Even the jail system is privately owned, making millions for housing innocents given green bologna. Water boarding Cain, Bachman etc... Time to remember we are the 99% and we hire THEM! Fire em all.BTW Romney is BAIN. Google him. Thieves. Scoundrels
lrinax 3 months ago 3
Karl Rove is a liar, crook, and all around bad person. Yeah, I said it.
kimincsu 3 months ago
The big financial institutions of this country are very experienced too, look what good that's done us
portyhead 3 months ago
The wars are what are unsustainable.
CalJennings 3 months ago
Bush's brain? And they never did find it. Another psychopath and war criminal serving the interests of Cheney and oil cartel. How many have lost their lives and prosperity due to his input? He should be locked up. They should have made a citizens arrest and turned him over to the proper authorities. The only problem with that is that the courts are thoroughly corrupt and serve the interests of the monopolies. Better to lynch him, skewer him and roast him alive right after his lousy speech.
MrRevko 3 months ago
Why would anyone allow a criminal like Karl Rove speak at their institution of higher learning? Want to hear him? Go to a speech at one of his right-wing events.
BarbaraJD 3 months ago 2
@BarbaraJD the same Hopkins MSE symposium invited David Axelrod, Obama's former senior advisor and campaign manager, only 6 days prior. inviting rove was an attempt to keep it balanced: one from the left, one from the right. you can have opinions about his policies, but you cannot deny he has a tremendous breadth of experience. for much of the past decade he was among the top 5 most powerful men in the world for all his influence over american politics. that's a noteworthy title, good or bad.
11dorisa 3 months ago
@11dorisa I'm sure that was the thinking behind inviting him to speak. The fact remains that what he has done to the U.S. and it's citizens has been criminal. I don't care how "experienced in American politics" a person is, if they helped ruin the economy and do a myriad of unconscionable actions, they shouldn't be speaking at a University.
BarbaraJD 3 months ago
@BarbaraJD that's simply not a fact. the US does not recognize all international law, and there is by no means a consensus that karl rove is a criminal or a liar. it can be your opinion, and it can be your opinion that the university shouldn't have invited him. but they did. at which point it is not your right to disrupt their private engagement with a legally free man, whether you think he OUGHT to be free or not. Columbia got frikin' Mahmoud Ahmedinijad a few years ago, and ppl let him speak!
11dorisa 3 months ago
@11dorisa US under Bush and didn't recognize virtually any international law, including, or even many of the laws in the U.S. either., and that is the problem. His attack ad on Elizabeth Warren proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Rove is indeed a liar. As to Rove's criminality, one only needs to do a bit of research to make that clear as well. We will have to agree to disagree, but I think the facts speak for themselves.
BarbaraJD 3 months ago
Rove is a war criminal who should be tried for his crimes, along with Cheney and the other cronies.
dkmarts 3 months ago 4
Karl Rove should be in jail. Criminals don't deserve the rights in the constitution. How many people have died because of this man? It is easy for people to ignore it or pretend he is a legitimate leader because its not your familiy member that was killed because of his fucking greed.
feedeveryonenow 3 months ago 5
@feedeveryonenow "criminals don't deserve the rights in the constitution"...actually, many of the rights in the constitution were designed specifically for criminals. the right to a fair and speedy trial. right to a trial by jury. no double jeopardy. no unreasonable searches and seizures. no cruel and unusual punishment. and yes, everyone gets the right to free speech too. "If you don't support freedom of speech for those you disagree with, you don't support it at all." - Noam Chomsky
11dorisa 3 months ago 2
@11dorisa That's not his point feedeveryonenow is making. You are saying Rove has something intelligent and legitimate to say because he "has vast experience in politics." What we are saying is that doesn't make up for what he is - criminal, and hasn't been prosecuted for it, just like the leaders of many Financial corporations, and like Cheney & Rumsfeld & Bush. The fact that they are FREE to speak at Universities is a travesty.
BarbaraJD 3 months ago
@11dorisa
Noam Chomsky can chomp on my PENIS!!!
CheddarBob39 3 months ago
@11dorisa I dont think the founding fathers intended people to drive other people to poverty. They didnt think the rich would starve the poor. They believed in equality and humanity.
eFFeCTzFamily 3 months ago
@eFFeCTzFamily Sure they did, but equality as in equality under the law, not equality of results. The only way the rich can starve the poor and drive others into poverty is if they are protected from competition. Only a big government can do that for them. A free system in which the government treats all people equally will lead to more prosperity for everyone. and the founders absolutely understood that.
11dorisa 3 months ago
Go to hell Karl Rove!
0dogs2cats 3 months ago 2
Karl Rove, War Criminal
oegaziz43 3 months ago 2
The Q and A section only had pre selected questions.
Rad1ka1 3 months ago 4
@Rad1ka1 That's not true, I was there, I filmed it, and anyone could get up to ask a question. It was first come fist serve, so not everybody got a chance due to time constraints, but the questions were certainly not pre-selected. Rove got pretty angry at some of the questions for citing false statistics, so if they were pre-selected those questions would have been weeded out.
11dorisa 3 months ago
@11dorisa Why are you so concerned about formalities when it was obvious Karl Rove did not respect rules when invading Iraq or when he broke voting laws by targeting blacks and removing their votes. Check out Greg Palast black votes for more info
damania 3 months ago
<3 it! 99 PERCENT we will not shut up any longer!
ladyjadj 3 months ago 15
@ladyjadj nobody's asking you to shut up...on your own time. on my time, at a speech I'm attending as a student of JHU to hear what Karl Rove has to say, you will shut up, or you will be escorted from the building as you should be. i don't like karl rove, but you have zero right to invade and disrupt a private speech with chants that nobody accept you wants to hear. the protest outside the building before the speech was fine, a great example of making your movement's voice heard. this wasn't.
11dorisa 3 months ago
@11dorisa Christ, no wonder we're seen as a nation of pussies with people like you getting all sensitive because we interrupted the poor baby's speech.
Jmortal 3 months ago
@Jmortal defending free speech even for people i disagree with does not make me a pussy or a baby. it makes me a patriot. you should try it.
11dorisa 3 months ago
@11dorisa, Fuck you, Karl Rove needs to be in jail. He is a criminal and he deserves it.
SpikeyJamez 3 months ago
@11dorisa It's everybody's forum and people are speaking their minds. It's obvious he wasn't stopped as he kept babbling his propaganda.
damania 3 months ago
@ladyjadj the so called 99 percent is nothing more than idiot liberals who dont have job's because they got their liberal arts degrees and then surprise surprise, couldnt find a real job. The real 99 percent is the silent people who have jobs, and not the idiots in these protests.
jacobew2000 1 month ago
@jacobew2000 Most of those people that have jobs I am more than certain support what occupy does and are proud to have occupiers support them on their behalf. The majority of people at the protest in my town of St. Louis had the unions behind them and were former carpenters electricians factory workers that no longer had jobs (and some no homes) because of wall street,the fed and these DAMN wars.
anewlow23 1 month ago
Karl Rove you spend $300,000 on attack ad against Elizabeth Warren. Your ad make me want to go support Elizabeth this season. You are a damn fool!! Your money can not buy the heart and mind of the american people. People are awaken to your lies....
nhu111 3 months ago 28
@nhu111 wow, that money could have helped A LOT of needy people!!!!
Maralyssa 3 months ago
@nhu111 warren is the dumbest bitch imaginable
Dariuszdavi 3 months ago
Karl Rove you killed thousand of people in Iraq. You lies to the public. You are a piece shit!!!
nhu111 3 months ago 5
If 2/3rds of the top 1% are businesses, then the top 1% is really the top 0.33%? Oh I get it, because wealth is concentrated in even FEWER people than 1%, I am supposed to sit down and shut up and stop being so presumptuous and arrogant.
While I don't agree that people should be drowned out and not allowed to speak, people like KR definitely need to be slapped in the face with mass rhetoric from time to time so that they remember that the bottom 99.7% is mostly human, unlike the top 1%.
loganwchin 3 months ago 3
@loganwchin lol I thought this was my post at first. I posted on the first one: the top 2/3 are small businesses??? we are not talking about taxing them. We are talking about increasing taxes on the top 1% THE TOP ONE PERCENT...THEY ARE NOT SMALL BUSINESSES, THEY ARE LARGE, HUGE CORPORATIONS WITH BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!! DUH!!!!!!!
Maralyssa 3 months ago
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If 2/3rds of the top 1% are businesses, then the top 1% is really the top 0.33%? Oh I get it, because wealth is concentrated in even FEWER people than 1%, I am supposed to sit down and shut up and stop being so presumptuous and arrogant.
While I don't agree that people should be drowned out and not allowed to speak, people like KR definitely need to be slapped in the face with mass rhetoric from time to time so that they remember that the 99.7% is mostly people, and not mostly businesses.
loganwchin 3 months ago