Nitro Analysis - Episode 2: Shotgun Ammunitions

[PCBCerqueira]

:39 maybe... Thin layers of wood? Those are box like thingies with a lot of wood. Maybe they cant penetrate THAT much boner

[ortega9998]

m1014 w/flechette is my fav shotgun.

[D4rkSymmetry]

Great video and analysis, but I feel you are neglecting the balance between shotguns and all other guns in the game with your buff suggestions. Wouldn't your suggestions make shotguns OP in comparison to all other guns?

[NitroGamingNet]

@D4rkSymmetry The buckshot buff only has to be enough to sufficiently differentiate it from flechette.

Making buckshot and flechette more reliable would not change their overall DPS.

Buffing semiautomatics would ideally make them on par with other shotguns, which would not result in an imbalance with other weapons.

Slightly buffing slugs and frags on the 870MCS might result in a balance issue. I proposed those changes because they feel slightly underpowered to me as they are now.

[D4rkSymmetry]

@NitroGamingNet I have to admit that I'm rather familiar with all the guns, including Symthic stats, EXCEPT the shotguns, so I can't give you in-depth feedback there. I was msotly thinking that the USAS is already considered overpowered, and you're suggesting further buffs to the general shotgun arsenal. Either way, very fine review, and I'll admit, maybe my critisicm is flawed as I don't know much about shotguns. Feel free to talk about the other guns ;-)

[TheStigma]

I would like to voice one minor objections in favor of semiauto shotguns.

They are not inferior to auto shotguns in every way. They all have less minimum spread (0.4) compared to 0.6 on the autos. Therefore they are objectively more accurate beyond close range than the automatics. The DAO-12 also has more ammo than ant of the autos (though it pays for this my not having a magazine clip and thus slow reload). Overall I agree autos are overall more useful, just not in every possible case.

[11haythem]

is the m26 classed as a semi auto or pump?

[ihavebecomedeathly]

@11haythem in game it's classified as an accessory or gadget. because of this kills with it do not get you the shotgun ribbon. In real life though it is a straight pull bolt action shotgun.

[11haythem]

@ihavebecomedeathly i mean does it do pump damage or semi damage?

[ihavebecomedeathly]

@11haythem not sure. I haven't found any stats for in on other websites. my guess is that it does semi damage. also I've heard that the Dec 6th frag round nerf doesn't apply to it, but I'm on the PS3 so I can't test it myself.

[TheStigma]

@11haythem I'd like to know this also. My guess is that it is a pump-action just based on the speed of shots being so similar to the 870MCS, but I have my doubts about it having the 870MCS's tight spread. I think in terms of what "type" of slugs and frags it uses however it probably uses the same values as the pumpaction. It would be nice to get a confirmation on this however. The M26 mass is not yet availiabl on symthic dot com.

[11haythem]

@TheStigma same.but who knows, the stats of this guns damage may be different to both the 870 and the semi's though i doubt it. but i hope symthic gets them up soon...

[Redscope26]

My balance changes:

1. Flechette rounds can penetrate, lower their damage; advantage buckshot

2. FRAG-12 damage is only explosive, no actual hit damage, no damage drop-off

3. FRAG-12 has an arming distance

4. Remove one-body-shot kills from everything except close range buckshot

5. Semi-auto shotguns fire as fast as fully-auto if you can time your clicking right

All balanced after that IMO. If you can aim to the head with a slug, you're not a noob and will get a one-shot kill with 870

[aopdjasldksa]

Very nice analysis! Keep up the good work.

[worhollives]

Your videos are absolutely excellent Nitro. Please continue making videos.

I would love to see your thoughts on different sniper rifles and which is the best sniper rifle to use if you want to kill the enemy the fastest.

[martinithechobit]

thank you for this.

[anthonym2121]

M1014 is useless....they need to buff up semi-auto shotguns

[omegaxtrigun]

They already said sometime in early december that they're going to make semi-auto spread smaller than full auto but bigger than pump action.

[3973555]

looking forward to more videos from you :) very well done

[pakiah]

Thank you so much for the in depth analysis. I always wondered why damage took so long to register. On another note, I can sometimes need more than 2 point blank shots with buckshot and not even get a kill. Other than that, I love shotguns! =)

[nafoonthebaboon]

Fucking genius. Subbed.

[sniperkat313]

Who dislikes this really he is helping us?

[sniperkat313]

i think grip should like kerts said help only some guns and be useless for others like the fucking famas but the grip should reduce vertical recoil significantly by at least 50% on m4a1 aek 971, and alittle bit on scar h but the 3 round burst guns should also have the least amount of vertical recoil to compensate for low rate of fire and bring variety i fell like im the only one who uses the m16a4

[sniperkat313]

@sniperkat313 actualy by 80 or 75 % because supposedly the grip reduces by 50 already

[sniperkat313]

man i just subed but dice neecds to learn and i heard kerts from dice actually refrenced your video so if he is paying atention could you the a carbine and assault rifle comparison supporting a recoil reduction boost for some gun s like the m4a1 and 3 round burst guns because the grip is barely helping and i have to aim at the legs ....plz plz

[LBratwurst42]

Finally, an analysis based on extensive comparison, supported by actual facts and even has a few clips of empirical research. MOAR!

[Sambuccashake]

This is the type of work that I was hoping DICE would do...

Well done!

[SARGEHALO666v2]

Awesome video. Keep up the good work!

[ThaMuse07]

Well, this is all around great. I agree with exaggerating the highlights to help people follow better. I also agree with everything you said. You didn't just complain and note a few instances why you don't like them. You took an objective point of few.. Compounded upon it.. And even listed Fixes. Great work. DICE is now looking at you.. So this is your time to shine. Bring up other points. Also, think about getting into the gaming industry. We need you!!

[0Anesthetic4u]

This guy clearly hasen't played console. Frags are the most brutally unbelievably over powered thing I've ever seen in a game. The OHK even when they miss like the tank sometimes does, do massive splash damage, have better range then slugs, and have amazeing damage over all. I've seen people use it to take out Jeeps, and even tanks on one clip of ammo. I can't even count the number of times I've my entire squad has been taken out at long grange by frags all at once. They're brokenly overpowered.

[CaptainCowkill]

@0Anesthetic4u Are you serious, or just trolling ? The splash damage ISN'T massive, the range is the SAME as slugs, damage is THE SAME as slugs, and the damge DOES NOT affect tanks and jeeps.

[0Anesthetic4u]

@CaptainCowkill I'm serious. I've personally blown up jeeps with the USAS using frag rounds, and Ive seen who'le squads taken out by a single quick 2 or 3 round burst.

[comedyguy911]

@0Anesthetic4u u = noob

[0Anesthetic4u]

@comedyguy911 No I = 4rth level Vet 11 star colonel, who perfers console do to a hatered of server browsing.

[nafoonthebaboon]

@0Anesthetic4u are you fucking retarded? They never OHK, have terrible accuracy compared to slugs, you spelled amazing wrong, it can't take out jeeps or even 25% of a tank, they dropTERRIBLY and move very slow so long range is your fault for not moving. They are over powered but I don't believe you're a lvl 56. If there's an 11 on your rank and you don't have an eagle, you're rank 11 not colonel 11 star... if u are indeed a 57, you SUCK ASS.

[0Anesthetic4u]

@nafoonthebaboon They do, do all that. On the PS3 they do all that. Do you think I'm just makeing this shit up, it's all from actually dealing with that shit. I've not only seen it all happen I used it just to make sure my assumptions were right. I think the guy who blew the tank in one clip was hacking but the blow Jeeps up just fine. They haven't been patched yet. The patch exists but they are dragging their feet on consoles. Look me up on battlelog, I use the exact same user name.

[0Anesthetic4u]

@nafoonthebaboon I think I used an O instead of a 0 though.

[scottylans]

So now you're being listened to officially by DICE, it's a bit of a shame the focus is going to be on shotguns so much when the regular guns are used more overall :/ 7.62 ammo SHOULD be stronger, getting upgrades to my gun should make it better (contrary to what DICE think) - it's a sad state of affairs.

[spill7]

best vid breakdown i ever seen/ heard!! hopefully dice and Alan K are listening too.

i now will have my night just watching your vids!! thanks for posting/ making/ breaking this down!! 

[Zorgandorg]

Yay, Demize99 is making changes based on this video! Awesome vid.

[ScytheGames]

Just bring back the slug from BC2 and I'll be happy!

[ciscoiptech]

fantastic review!

[ClintBeastmode]

DEMIZE99 approves.

[SecretsRule]

I 100% agree about frags and slugs (especially slugs) and would like to emphasize that a massive buff to them is NEEDED to make them competitive with other weapons.

Doubling the frag/slug 2-shot kill range to 30m, or AT LEAST 25m (up from the proposed 15m) would be a start to evening the odds in long range battles.

...And for the 870, a 2-shot kill at up to 40-50m would not be unreasonable given the massive trade-off at close range with the low rate of fire and reload rate.

Fantastic videos!

[Artimoi18]

loved it, keep it up

[Andrpotapov]

What about Saiga?

[Zinzuvas]

@Andrpotapov Saiga is in the semi auto category ;)

[PoisonFogzzzz]

Dice should hire you

[kfryklund1]

There's a small problem with the chart, otherwise great video. very helpful!

"Pump Action Frag" = "FullAuto Frag" = "FullAuto Slug" = "Pump Action Slug" > "Pump Action Frag"??

[haveNOuse4aNAME]

most of the things you shot that shotgun with wouldn't have worked in real life either minus the the two by fours

[Harbaaa]

Great video. Very educational!

[EddieElNino]

What these shotguns need to have is a choke that would tighten the spread !

[Ye4rZero]

@EddieElNino ^^^ THIS

[fhrope]

Nice Video, Very clean and clear. keep up the good work

[TheReddDragons]

This was excellent

[rakgitarmen]

MOAR! Please do this for vehicle perks as well.

[KingHoboVl]

Finally, someone doing this kind of analysis on BF3. Great video.

[hehewiLLSY]

Really nice video :)

[magbrian]

I love your approach and layout. My only issue is that it was hard to follow at times. I couldn't keep up with what area of the chart you were referring to. Maybe you could exaggerate the highlighting of each graphic when you talk about it in order to make the video flow better.

[MageDb0w]

are there only 3 shotguns? and they're all so weak :/

[magbrian]

@MageDb0w There are 3 classes of shotguns. Pump, Semi and Full-auto. It's right there in the video.

[hlsghost]

@MageDb0w There are 8 shotguns. Three semi automatic, two automatic, two pump, and one "shell" as in the M320 Slug. One of the pump ones is the M26 mass for assault class.

[Kenppqq]

Great Analysis

[jibbjabb310]

wow you did a great job but there is no plan in the near distant future that "DICE" will change anything

[OmarNachtraaf]

Why are you not being hired by Dice? Being serious.

[888888HiPeople888888]

the reason the crosshair is like that is because you aim down sights unlike in BC2 when you couldn't ADS n shotguns

[kelleroid795]

@888888HiPeople888888 in BF3 beta you had a small oval crosshair and could ADS. EA/DICE has no excuse.

[wirrew]

Really awesome well explained review, I really hope that DICE look in to this. I fully agree on this.

//wirrew

[xGabicca]

@wirrew They did, Demize tweeted it out.

[McMoyk]

Great and detailled review, I liked it. More would be appreciated.