Mac Vs PC Macs are too expensive???

[maw88ify]

THIS IS NOT TRUE ... The truth is an Alienware PC laptop will have a higher resale than a Mac.

[epicpwner0]

I looked up the cost of buying a custom PC from a company called Origin PC, and a Macbook Pro both with same exact specs. Both 17", i7 2860's, 16gb ram, 256 gb SSD. The the Mac was $3450, the custom built was $2575, AND it had a dedicated gpu (gtx 560m), the mac didn't.

[Kerns0Phoegon]

I'm sorry, but just because you can 're-sell' it for higher price, that's absolutely retarded. I've seen far to many complaints from mac/x-mac users about the BAD customer service for Older Hardware/OS (For macs) and is more of a pain to trouble shoot if you have issues, and apple tells you to get a new one.

When I finally sell my computer because of age, it's going to be Low end, and no way should it demand premium prices for the time I try to sell it.

[mrbit10]

@Kerns0Phoegon this vid was still during the PowerPC days having the largest share, now it is all intel. I promise you from personal experience while PPC was around you could recoup a lot of the cost. Now, it is not quite the same but i sold my macbook for $700 when i got it for 1000, not a bad deal. This is an old video, things change over time.

[Kerns0Phoegon]

@mrbit10

I guess, though with that being said. I would never have purchased a 'USED' powerPC/Computer for that cost. Though honestly, That seems somewhat greedy and selfish. you got years and years out of it, and you sell it at 'premium price' and that to me seems wrong honestly. I'll never say give your stuff away, but don't rip people off when you sell your old stuff.

[Kibasa]

LOL! Computers arent like cars that u buy and resell later! Why buy a used MAC when u can get a brand new PC with newer hardware for the same price XD

[mrbit10]

@Kibasa i would agree with you if only they were not selling on ebay.

[dubstepgamer]

The price doesn't really matter in developed countries, but Apple will never get a good market share in the 3rd world. I have lived there, and a Pentium 4 processor, 512mb ram, and 40gb hard drive are considered overkill. So while macs may succeed in countries like the USA, not many people will get them globally, especially Southern Asia.

[mrbit10]

@dubstepgamer wow, great comment to put things in perspective.

[StopPanSlavicLies]

PC is beter.

[rifall]

A lot of Macintosh software is less expensive. 50 dollars for iWork compared to 120-130 dollars for Microsoft office. 30 dollars for OS 10.6 compared to 100-500 dollars for Windows 7. 200 dollars for Final cut Studio compared to 600 dollars for Adobe Premiere, after effects, and soundbooth.  A big plus is that Apple doesn't keep api secrets like Microsoft, so 3rd parties can build much better software.

[Robin90modell]

@rifall

Microsoft office is an office package made by microsoft, but can be found on both Windows and mac OS. However, there are free alternatives (like open office, which is very good). That is 50 dollars less than iWork.

The Mac OS is upgrade price (you've already paid for the OS when you bought the computer). On windows price is to buy a completely "new" license to the newest windows version. Most people use their current OS (which is still given updates), until they buy a new PC.

[rifall]

@Robin90modell 1) I know Office is a software package. So is iWork. MS Office, when you buy it one by one, can cost hundreds of dollars. That sucks. 2) 100-500 dollars for Windows 7 was referring to the price of buying a license considering you were upgrading. Sure, buy a new computer, the os is practically free, same with Mac and PC. 3) Most people use their "current os until they buy a new PC" because they have no idea how to upgrade.

*Mac/Ubuntu*

[bumtownv2]

So what you're say is, even second hand macs are too expensive? I guess I'll stick to my Sony.

[maw88ify]

Alienware M17x Intel Core 2 Duo Gaming Laptop 17" Win 7 on E-bay "refurbished" Price: US $1,159.99 ... It all about the brand of PC's ... You can't get a Alienware PC cheap even used the are over price just like Mac books are over priced ... Is it because they are better? NO... it's only because people want them because of how they look...

[maw88ify]

Have you ever looked up a use Alienware PC on ebay ? The resale on an Alienware PC is very good, and some times better than the Mac. Alienware PC on ebay 700, and to 1,000 dollars used.

[isaiahking95]

@maw88ify A 15 MacBook pro worst case scenario would resell for about $1,500 about $300.00 less then original price

[maw88ify]

@isaiahking95 I found a 15 MacBook pro for ( $ 800 Used ) that pokes a whole right in that theory ... HAHAHA

So that's $ 1,000 less then original price . Yep it say 15 MacBook pro buy now $800.00 US "fully operational" used ... But WHAT'S THIS 15 MacBook pro $650.00 ... It looks to me that people are having a hard time getting people to buy used Mac's I found tons of people dropping prices ...

[vargulf19]

Resale value? You don't need to resell PCs you just keep upgrading

[MaoiMeowi2]

So the lesson to learn here is buy old Macs, upgrade them, and sell them for more than it cost you, because people are stupid enough to buy them.

[KimTheMango]

I'm thinking of making my own desktop. Where which site should I get my parts from? Tigerdirect, or Newegg? Please reply :D

[lillen300]

Make your own pc then install the mac os! If your a mac fan, it will be cheaper and faster.

[TearsOfWar1]

Like adobePC points out, Windows PC and Mac in general BOTH have a crap resale value. It all counts on what you originally paid for and return on investment... AdobePC has shown this and gone on ebay or w/e and proved that the resale value Mac myth is just fucking bull shit.

[mrbit10]

@TearsOfWar1 i did not agree with adobePC on that point and demonstrated much larger returns than a few examples on ebay. Also this video is one of my oldest when PPC Macs had great value retained and still do for some.

[TearsOfWar1]

@mrbit10 what is the name of your video that you "demonstrated much larger returns"? What is a PPC Mac? PPC? Pay per click? Power PC?

[mrbit10]

@TearsOfWar1 no there were videos not made by me attacking the resale value by using a few ebay examples of today which is all intel spec. PPC is Power PC, back in the day total sale after resale was much lower. After intel, Macs have dropped drastically in price but are now no longer architecture cost unique and for spec cannot compete with volume sales of other OEMs, so apple uses over packaging of design & IO but cannot compete with custom build but OEM vs custom should not be argued.

[TearsOfWar1]

@mrbit10 How about customizable OEMs like Apple and CyberPower?

[mrbit10]

@TearsOfWar1 i do not consider cyberpower a true OEM, they are custom with maybe case branding, no market sway to sources for custom logistics. the represent the labor factor, with a warranty for custom build.

[TearsOfWar1]

@mrbit10 There are a lot of variables to consider also dude. Spec for spec I can find a lot more PCs with the same specs of a mac pro for a lot cheaper. I can find a lot more PCs with even better specs than a Mac for cheaper. I just think you are dead wrong saying that Macs are cheaper even with return on investment. You have to take into account what you bought it for and how much you are losing when you sell it.

[hajialibaig]

epic fail

[mickakaka]

I got 2 computers one is HP touchsmart and one is macbook pro...well apple does better in certain areas...graphics...and there are microsoft office as well...so its ok for me.

And mac there has recent updates...which is free...

Windows is good for playing games though.

[dan1986ist]

apple has no competition while pc has many manufacturers and can lower costs due to competition

[jackmcslay]

I once checked at Apple's website, they were charging U$1000 for adding 4gb RAM to an iMac lol

At least on the desktop area, you need to think salvageability - a motherboard, video card (if not going for onboard), processor and a couple ram sticks will suffice - HD, DVD, PSU... you'll be using them till they die off. With a Mac, you're forced to buy the whole thing.

[mike11022]

A very compelling argument, one that many, including mac users haven't considered.

[griptick]

So the point your trying to make is that you will never be able to buy a mac with comparable hardware for a decent price? Amazing. Sorry, but thats not a very good excuse

[mpc12345678]

When I buy a PC, I do not think about how much I get for them when I sell them 3-4 years later. I only care about the price I get them for then, and what type of hardware I get for it compared to Macs, so I do not care that I can sell a Mac Computer for more money then I can sell a, for example Dell PC.

[naman34]

this is too outdated now. please ppl. macs aren't even overpriced anymore. Sure you dont have the choice of buying a cheap underpowered mac but spec for spec, macs arent really overpriced anymore, at least compared to hp and dell.

[conan1845]

Spec for spec, macs ARE overpriced.

Go and build a custom PC with similar specs to whatever apple desktop you choose. When shopping from Newegg, the custom build WILL be cheaper.

[HolyCheescake]

when you add up all the software you buy trust me the price is actually the same

[nosipchuk]

Who's talking about a custom build?

[conan1845]

A PC is a PC.

[0m3n1337]

Macs definitely are overpriced, if you want I can give you links with comparing them spec for spec with the mac costing about $300+ more than the PC.

[CarlitoZzNuilO]

PC stands for Personal computers... so macs are Pc also... but they are beautifully designed.. have you ever heard of jonathan Ive? ..those little details that no pc manufacturer cares for but apple builds into their designs without bragging about it... they are premium class computers.. not just a box of parts.. it's like comparing toyota with ferrari... i don't hear anybody complaining about that!

[0m3n1337]

I am aware macs are PCs but PC is broadly accepted to be a Windows based machine. Apple is one of the few companies that actually does brag about everything, have you ever seen the Mac vs. PC commercials? Those little details are paid for in the price and in my opinion unnecessary. You drive around in a ferrari all the time, you don't show your computer everywhere you go. Computers are about functionality, not looks.

[CarlitoZzNuilO]

Fair enough...

what makes macs less functional?

do you dismiss the engineering put into the making of macs?

is it or is it not first class fabrication and attention to detail?

[0m3n1337]

Macs are certainly not less functional, for some people, macs are a good choice, for me however PCs have the largest variety and Macs and PCs are pretty much equal now when it comes to functionality. Macs are faster in some areas and PCs are faster in some areas. For instance, I play video games on my PC so I found a $930 laptop (with 2 year warranty) that was powerful, high quality and 14" so it was portable, simply I could find a PC that meets my needs perfectly and PCs do that for me.

[CarlitoZzNuilO]

if pc does it for you... stick with it :)

[FRURMELLL]

@CarlitoZzNuilO So you want to compute. You look to ONE THING. That is: The screen. Anything else? No. Price tag of a mac g5: 1200 dollars. Price of a pc with same specs: 550 dollars. Mac upgradeable? NO. Mac compatible with everything? NO.

Windows is better than OS X? YES.

Sorry but Macs are a fail.

[CarlitoZzNuilO]

you are kind of... really drastic

when it comes to ram... at least the white macbook is upgradeable... also in hard drive

for the lifetime of a laptop i think that is all you need to upgrade.

the screen is enough to see everything you need

but portable enough... it is thin enough and light enough too....

if you can't stand being away from bill gates then throw windows in too

i have my macbook since 2006.... i only upgraded ram once and it runs Snow Leopard silky smooth... umm also win 7

[roketjack]

I can get a 3gb ram 2.2ghz windows vista with free windows 7 upgrade for £400, a macbook pro STARTS at £899??

[goldaceofspades]

yes macs are too expensive it only cost 130bucks for iLife=Snow leopard and the asthetics don't cost em jack so they are still over priced by $300-$400 compare them yourself, their is tons of freeware that matches the little extras that iLife provides if your going to use windows 80% of the time you are better off with pc cause it would still have most of the same problems like the other make also mac fans if people can't afford em don't make a report saying they can when the don't have the cash

[CarlitoZzNuilO]

have you ever tried ilife?

[ivangutowski]

out of intrest who here is using a mac???

if so, why do u watch this??

- i'm gonna just use my QUAD CORE, and 2x 8800GT's and PLAY A GAME !!!!!! 

What game??.... oh yer - anything i want !!!

LOL

[kristiyans]

well I guess losers like you play games...wasting their life.

Have fun...I do not forget to shower every now and then.

Cheers!

[ivangutowski]

kristiyan, what the hell do you know about me at all ! How dare you personally insult me just because you know I may have a point. I have no issues with cleanliness at all, why would you think that anyway??

I have the right to spend my money wisely on what I desire for entertainment instead of watching people Bulgarian dancing on youtube!

[kristiyans]

Hm...you are getting into my ethnicity. Spend your money on whatever you wish ivangutowski, but understand the reasons why people choose Mac over PC. Do not be so blindly ignorant. What if Apple was in the shoes of Microsoft in present time.

Do not insult my ethnicity, has nothing to do with this video or my response to your comment.

Well, I suppose you DID research me. WoW I am flattered.

Have a great day!

[ivangutowski]

Well Im happy you remain positive.

We may not share the same taste in music, which is no matter. But my alleged "insult" to your ethnicity is no difference from you saying that I do not wash and have no life!

So no hard feelings as we both have our own preferences, I hope we can leave it at that.

Have a great Day!

[kristiyans]

Agreed.

Cheers!

[royev2il]

buy a video game, a ps3 will be half the price. i use mac and a pc, and only for a professional purpose, i am a product designer, and the mac gives me what i want, safe storage of data and reliability and ease to work with while creating graphics or presentation

[pepeloco65]

Safari successfully exploited in seconds, MacBook completely taken over in security Pwn2Own contest

Macworld - ‎2 hours ago‎

For the second year running, security researcher Charlie Miller has taken home the top prize at security conference CanSecWest in Vancouver, after successfully hacking a MacBook via Safari.

[WhozGotEpicz]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[iboombastic]

this guy has no life

[ASCII808]

you could built the most high end core i7 extreme, with a 4870 x2 , 6 gigs of server ram and it is cheaper than a baseline mac pro so I have no idea what you guys are taking about macs are cheaper. the motherboard is the server edition so they can be compared although this mob is up to 24 gigs of memory because core i7 hasn't matured yet but it is still faster than a mac pro. also comes with a tb hd cost 2400$ with shipping.

[ibpointless2]

I agree with you, but the problem i have would letting my macbook pro go because it is my first and it been so good to me.

[lilgirl949]

Gosh, wat would I give for a Mac!

[icyhearted01]

For $4000 I can get a really good PC, or a basic MAC? I'll go with the PC.

[MacGamingPro]

Pro Macs cost $4000, not basic Macs. And a $2000 iMac is probably way better than most $4000 PCs. Sure Macs cost more than PCs, but they're better, less complicated, and longer lived. Most people who hate macs have never even owned one, and if they have, they haven't given it a chance. If it does one thing wrong, there it goes, out the window. That's ridiculous, and anyone who believes people like that are complete idiots. So next time before you go saying crap like that get your facts right.

[Somazs]

You have very little knowledge of PC's (and you call your self MacGamingPro. Hmmm. Noob much?).

[MacGamingPro]

Be that as it may, I know basic Macs do not cost $4000. By the way, I am a Mac gaming pro.

[iuzc]

"$2000 iMac is probably way better than most $4000 PCs"

Like those PC people with their Quad Cores and 4GB of RAM and 500GB hard drive for the price of a Mac mini with 1 GB of ram, slow core2duo and ancient 80GB drive, right?

[csoccer1]

i haven't seen that anywhere. dell, hp, acer, and asus certainly don't sell 4 gigs of ram pc's at 600 dollars!

[ASCII808]

I build this one form a cheap barebone on ebay. they do have computers with 4 gigs for 600$ but they have integrated graphics mine has a 9600m gt 512mb. its not the best but its fast and a good deal.

[csoccer1]

uhhh, for 4000 dollars you can get the mac pro, which by all means, will probably blow you away with its speed and completely unnecessary multiple processors. it's really advanced stuff, lol, i don't even want to get into it.

[ASCII808]

mac pros are fast but building one is much cheaper, or using core i7. it maybe fast but it isn't the best deal you can find. i have seen a mac pro in action their fast but not a good price with they give you that horrible baseline video card.

[ASCII808]

my laptop is 700$ my bad with the os haha.

[pepeloco65]

my new laptop was 399.

5 months old, wireless N, 2GB/160/2GHZ/4500mhd

faster than my 3000$ G5. (2006)

[ASCII808]

technology is sure fast isn't it, I remeber in 1995 1 megabyte of ram was a decent for running windows 95. what laptop is that, it seems to be that acer one I saw awhile ago, but it could be anything, where I live laptops are like 600$ for integrated graphics, and I was like no way so I build a barebone, I just having a problem with the lan card, cable error, just need to find it. 700$ for the speed of a macbook pro except I don't have two gpus. other than that this was a bargain. nice machine.

[pepeloco65]

integrated graphics are very weak, isold the acer with x3100 after a week or two.

its the aspire 5735 4624. very cheap plastic no webcam. it has been abused for months. no problems yet.

one advantage of 400$ laptops is that they include the lcd. it is fairly easy to resell them.

[ASCII808]

nice, I like cheap laptops because if an accident happens, its not such a big of a loss. my uncle broke his macbook pro lcd, so know he has to use a external lcd because apple repair is expensive. although they have cheap plastic, it seems to be a good investment as long as you don't watch 1080P videos. the 4500mhd is still weak, but its twice as fast as a x3100.

[kristiyans]

YOU WISH!

[BPTDan]

Mr. Bit,

I love your video's but I disagree. 300 dollars more? I keep hearing this 300 dollar difference. WHERE? My HP G60 laptop bought Oct 2008 for $650. Where can I buy a Macbook for $850? PC laptop's can come with AMD (cheaper processor) Macbooks' can not.

Where can I buy a Macbook for $850 that will run OS X Leopard with no lag? If someone post a link, I'll buy one today!!!

[mrbit10]

well OEM to OEM and equal setup, but it would be 950 no? ;) A valid point that I would add is that Apple packages more than most need but does not allow you to take it away for a lower price, would that be fair?

[pepeloco65]

i went to bb and

1100$ = 4GB DDR3/P8400/17"1920x1200/GeForc­e ""9800M GTS""/IEEE 1394,eSata,hdmi, etc

apple.c

1000$= 1GB/c2d.2.1ghz/Intel GMA X3100 (oh lord!)/ 120gb hdd

non apple pcs resale value is superior.

apple fans will pay 1000 for a 3 year old (useless) macbook, thats not our ffff. we sell them.

dont u know mac r intel pcs?

[csoccer1]

it's a year old, what do you expect? last year, pc's were just as outdated. baseline macs tend to become outdated at the end of their lifecycle. the new one is certainly more up to date and price worthy. and the new unibody enclosure is probably worth more than the cost of the memory and video card of that pc combined.

[pepeloco65]

you paid 3000 and get 700?? = -2300$

a mac = 600$/year

[mrbit10]

I have never paid 3000 for any computer, my most expensive mac is 2100 which is a workstation, on par with Dell and HP or build your own using server chipset and buffered ram, it is very competitive.

[mrbit10]

that said my macbook i paid just under 1200 for and a return of 700 would make it a 500 notebook.

[commodore256]

So, they're Expensive, but they have a high resell value.

[Longstuff]

Macs are cheaper in US,in australia your better off buying a small car

[cynicalheretic]

That is your selling point. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­ YOU ARE A PATHETIC FANBOY LOSER

[VCTKnight]

since when have macs ever been cheap? I could ask my dad to buy me some good parts and build a $400 gaming machine that works and can run mac.

[normloman]

Any sum of money sounds expensive for an operating system when there are perfectly good ones like Linux for free. You can even save money on hardware since Linux can run just fine on older technology. Granted it's not perfect, and it's not for everyone, but for plenty of people, Linux is the perfect low cost solution. In the "how much quality you get for the price" competition, Linux wins hands down.

[Nadav34]

With a failing US economy, gas prices soaring and capitalism throughout the world in crisis, its no wonder than the prices on everything is going up.. Its time for PUBLIC OWNERSHIP of corporations and put the majority of the population in the forefront of corporations. So, yes as of right now for many Americans and others, the Mac Pro is quite over priced and expensive, because of a failing US ECONOMY + imperialistic president.

[bf2lover42]

mac book air its like its name: its only air

if you cant find a plug, u need a new battery

what happens if u want to change batteries? u have to returt the laptop. u need to send a file thats in a dvd? plug the dvd player(sold seperatly), then send the files to the hard drive, plug in a modem via usb and send the file. it only has a usb port and it doesnt support hubs

its a good machine, but sometimes apple wants to be so different that their employees must walk backwards just to be different...

[understandfirst]

Ah, but with a mac you actually need to sell it or throw it out, with a PC you just open it up and upgrade it. I'm sure many mac fanboys would love for real computer enthusiasts to forget the "real dollar value" and pretend that any number of theories changes the facts, but they don't... and market share don't lie.

[mrbit10]

well I would disagree in terms of upgrades up to the point of the mobo, except if it is all in one. But do you argue for OEM or against? PC via OEM is the same category as Apple. It is what i said in another vid which is, if one is against hardware control or not and if not then it is simply not just against apple but all OEMs.

[understandfirst]

I don't particularly care about OEM or not, I'm against apple, just apple. Because the stuff they sell is overly expensive for no good reason except to make those who buy it feel snooty.

[mrbit10]

ok i can respect your opinion but your statement thus brings me back to resale value in the world of OEM, thus Apple is not that expensive and many times cheaper looking at it as an investment.

[droadtrip]

Macs more expensive?? We as people have to look between the lines and not compare the actual dollars. Just because my dad's $750 HP was less money, he didn't get the piece of mind of a rock solid machine. Now, a year later, he regrettably says "I hate Vista". What bugs me is all the nightmares with nothing working from the keyboard to the sound drivers to anything else on the PC. I have a PC expert friend who stays busy all the time everyone else's PC Junk!

Thanks for posting - WELCOME BACK!

[bf2lover42]

who siad vista is good? whos the jerk?

[66oc]

Unfair comparions, since you only compare laptops. At desktop level price differences are crazy when you built your own computer. You can actually make money on building PCs, how about that, I don't see Mac users doing this. hehehe

For that $645 mini mac core2duo 1.8Ghz, 1GB, 80gb drive I built a core2quad 2.4, 4GB, 500GB drive and still saved a $100.

[mrbit10]

actually qutie a few do build macs at least have fun with the older powermacs we call them frankintoshes ;) the video is about resale value though.

[66oc]

You "wisely" ignore the comments I make. This pricing comparison is actually based on facts. Resale value is a "gray area", it's different per user. I sometimes use the same cases and power supplies for years, that a cost saving on top of the cost saving we already have when we buy the hardware.

[66oc]

I find it hard to make a PC vs Mac Pro comparison, but in the lower segment (the most popular PC market, but still core2duo and quads) I see close to 50% lower prices for similar hardware, that is if I pick the components that I need at those places where they are on sale.

[66oc]

And if I decide to get another motherboard (to support a new processor or different memory or video card) then it's going to cost me nothing in labor, I can buy it cheap and I won't have issues with things not fitting or not working. What is the option for a Mac? Buying a new machine? That way your resale story is falling down like a house of cards. Like I said, resale value on the PC is a "gray" area.

[66oc]

While I agreed earlier that Mac laptops have excellent resale value, the story with the lower end Mac Minis is different.

I see Mac Mini's selling for half their price second hand on Ebay (just checked minutes ago, so this is another fact), not what I would consider good resale value.

[66oc]

...at least not to compensate for the great loss you made compared to similar PC hardware when you purchased the machine. Again, I'm not talking about the Mac Pro (don't know to much about that situation) but the Mac Mini.

[BO787Dreamliner]

Only Bill Gates can afford a Mac.

[jasonofcompsci]

You can get a $75 computer with no OS, and put free Linux on it. The first reason this computer is cheap would be hard drive and ram. Linux apps are crazy efficient with hard drive. And you won't need a fragmented page file. I'd be surprised if you needed a page file. Windows will need one surly. My system is now using HD=4GB RAM=155MB with a large suite of development resources, which competitively are very large, and server apps. It's faster and more stable, that's why most servers run it.

[jasonofcompsci]

You can buy a $75 computer without an OS, and then put Linux on it for free. The biggest reason a computer would be that cheap is ram and hard drive. Linux apps use a lot less HD so that's no a big deal. It is crazy efficient on ram. And it's page file won't be fragmented like on Windows. I would be suprized if you even go into a page file. Mine is running great using only HD=4GB and RAM=285.1 MB, right now. Faster than window and honestly better, and free support that Dell.

[kwg2005]

This is a good point. I tried to save on a mac by buying used, but the used ones are almost as expensive as new ones. I do wish that it didn't cost $2,000 to get into a Macintosh desktop (excluding minis and imacs) my pc is going onto 5 years old, it cost about $500 new if i add all the parts and now it's worth about $10. i get the point, but the initial price is hard to swallow.

[JomoFlidBoy07]

is it also true to say that a person would spend more on pc repairs and taking it to the shop when it screws up, and with the money they spend on repairs they could easily afford a mac, thats my experience :)

Joe

[mrbit10]

very good point.

[choldstare]

Hmm I could get a Mac but then i would be limited in the things i can do. PC = much more freedom in software AND hardware. If you are on a PC with a win xp OS, sorry to say there is hardly anything that WONT work. And i have the FREEDOM to upgrade my computer. Macs are reliable pieces of hardware but i would only buy them for people who stick to a few things in computing. Like websurfing and other basic stuff, what ever the n00bs are doing these days :/.

[mongoosecage]

LOL GAMER!!! n00bs... yeah u r correct choldstare. But things like photoshop and video editing... thats what they are doing these days.. they are glued to the youtube.

[66oc]

I disagree. A PC is not more unreliable than Mac hardware, that's a myth, at least anno 2008. I do agree, the OS Windows requires more maintenance, but in all fairness, the majority don't take their machine in for a Windows fix, there is always a handyman in the family or among friends who can help.

[mrbit10]

you state a generality Mac has very good hardware, I also have PCs if you have not noticed but build my own as I find most OEMs to be crap. So in the world of OEMS, I think Apple has excellent standards. I did a vid in hardware series as to consumer reports on reliability.

[66oc]

Yes, I agree with you, but I wasn't talking about OEMs, I was talking about home built PCs and yes, it's my fault to mention this.

As a systemadmin since '87 and having a PC since '82, I can guarantee you that with proper selection of hardware, no home built machine is less reliable than any Mac, it's a Myth.

[66oc]

On the other hand, most PC users are handy enough (or know someone who is) to solve any hardware issue, because let's face it, it's not difficult, there are about 8 major components. On a Mac however I don't see users replacing a failing motherboard, so if they don't have a contract they pay big and have to be without a Mac for days if not weeks, which can add to the costs.

[mrbit10]

I actually do a lot of my own mac hardware, I think the difference is that PCs have indeed created a demographic that demands a certain knowledge of them or you have to call Geek Squad which a lot of PC users end up doing anyway. Now the question should be that is the demographic PCs created in that a requirement to know your hardware a good thing?

[66oc]

I agree with you, for a lot of people it's not a good thing, but tell that the average Joe and John who don't have a lot of money to spend. You said it yourself, Mac resale value is high and even the less resale value for a Mac Mini is still too much for a lot of people. Now I can afford luxury, but I'm also smart enough to know that tons of people don't have a lot of money to spend , whether it's poor people in the states or simply poor foreign countries.

[66oc]

I said it last time to my wife, I can build a $250 dollar core2duo for my daughter (need to replace MB, CPU and RAM), that's for a lot of people who hear that a no-brainer and they will accept it that means a geek once a while, which are easy to find in anyone's social life.

[Simbuilder5]

Just a tip on videos i'm not being mean :)..............move back fromthe cam to see your face and head

[wadeabbey]

you get some better included software with an apple also, imovie, iphoto etc. thats worth a extra amount to me. good vid

[VCTKnight]

does that include garage band?

[jad16]

yeahh all macs with leopard have iLife, so garage band is there too. :)

[emeek77]

under teh ppc macs NEVER crashed or locked up. With intel chips they have had twice teh problems to locking up imacs etc. ppc never had that problem. Solid as a rock dude.

[TheTutorial]

Yeah the PPC chips were way more stable than the Intel chip. The G5's performance was amazing. I still wonder till this very day why they thought that the PPC roadmap was not good as the Intel one.

[mrbit10]

simple, energy consumption and IBM screwed Apple over in not meeting the freq vs voltage ratio.

[TheTutorial]

Ah now I now remember. The couldn't put the G5s in laptops.

[DeadFredVideo]

I wonder if the G series chip would have gone dual-core / quad-core like intels line. I know they had dual-procs in the G5's but yeah

[mrbit10]

i argue that point via only mobile that apple could have waited and gone dual G4 with faster bus and ram to tide them over until a mobile g5 could go, look at IMB's power6 it is a monster and uses the same power as the g5

[DeadFredVideo]

I know this sounds nooby but i never even thought about G6 lol Ill check tht out!

[mongoosecage]

i think this switch was more about compatibility... some apps needed an intel dual core so they probably decided to switch including the fact that the IBMs hog energy and Apple wanted to make Macs more attractive by giving the option to use XP,OSX, and Ubuntu,Fedora,Debian,openSuse,­Suse Enterprise,Slackware,DSL.

[hoebeeshun]

What if you don't sell them on ebay? What if you just keep them for like 5-7 yrs and upgrade them as needed? I have found the only mac that is near in price to the pc is the imac and everyone says it sucks for everything but web and word processing. Great video, I really want to switch to a mac, but I really can't afford one for what I need to do with it.

[emeek77]

bullshit, save your money. stop buying bargain bin pc's.

[mrbit10]

be honest here the only hardware you would be keeping in 7 years is the case. I have built many clones, buying new chips, mobos, vids, ram, psu and so on is the same as buying a new computer whether lumped or spread out overtime.

[hoebeeshun]

I have a dell laptop that is 6 yrs old and could go longer easily. Yes I hate dell, their support is awful and am not a windows fanboy or whatever. Most computers I have are much older. I have found that the occasional upgrade or replacement is much cheaper then buying a new computer. The reason is you have capital you have already invested in that you don't need to re-buy. For example monitor case motherboard what have you.

[mrbit10]

right the case, monitor ~ depending on brand, but mobo eh i have had to ..... well i guess it comes down to use and what the computer does for you.

[mrbit10]

I find in software paths: via windows and apple that your mac via support lasts longer in support as vista via hardware requirements (to run well) dropped a lot of older computers. My dual g4 can run leopard as well as my friends G4 powerbook.

[hoebeeshun]

Yes, I have noticed that. It makes me mad that MS made vista not compatible with my powerful machines. I have noticed that apple has better upgrade paths via software and pc has better upgrade paths via hardware.

[66oc]

Then explain to me why I have Vista 64 bits running on a core2duo 4GB of ram without any issues; video card, motherboard, drives, raid, usb hard drive, UPS usb connection, Wacom tablet, keybpard, mouse, camera, etc, they all work, as does 99.5% of all 32 bit software. So what do you mean with not being compatible?

[mrbit10]

I have vista business and know of too many with Vista 64 bit problems that I have had to help fix myself. I am glad you have no issues. ;)

[mrbit10]

this was an even if or in the cases they are more expensive.

[DMXell]

Good points! Yeah, but comparative Dells are usually equal the price, if not more.