the south wasn't a paradise for minorities back in the day. no matter, what people want to say. why the hell did so many blacks migrate up north, if things were so wonderful down here??? i'm sorry, if you pay taxes, fight wars, work, then you have the same rights as everyone else, no matter what color you are. has anyone here remembered that blacks couldn't vote down here until 1965????? and if it took the gov't coming down here to ensure that all citizens were treated fairly, so be it.
off topic, but i still like the clip where trent lott was honoring strom. he basically said if strom had one, we could have avoided the civil rights act and all that entailed. even strom looked up at trent, with a look, like 'you can't say that anymore!' it still makes me laugh.
@tranurse As the Republican party moved further to the right, the former party of Lincoln began a long history of insensitivity towards minorities (if not the outright hostility Dixiecrats had). In 1980, Reagan gave his first post-convention speech, infamously saying "I believe in states' rights", at the Neshoba County Fair, just a few miles from Philadelphia, MS, a tiny town whose only national claim to fame was being the location of 3 civil rights workers' murders in 1964.
@toddsmitts oh yeah. i figure in the south, all the whites who had traditionally been democrats, became republicans after 1965. and i'm not surprised what reagan said. i would have figured he had better sense to say it, especially there, but i'm not surprised. remember, reagan is the same guy who said he lived in america BEFORE there was a race problem.
@tranurse Well not ALL whites. There have been some progressive southern governors after 1970 like Bill Clinton in Arkansas, Jimmy Carter in Georgia, Ray Mabus and William Winter in Mississippi, etc. Though today in the south whites are indeed predominantly GOP and African Americans predominately Dems. Nor did this shift happen right away. Defections have been ongoing for years. If you look up "Party switching in the United States" on Wikipedia, you can see it's STILL happening.
@floridatom1964 He was hardly the "founder". He was preceded by a number of virulently racist southern politicians, such as Ben Tillman, Theodore Bilbo, "Cotton" Ed Smith, and John E. Rankin. He did, however, fully embrace and perpetuate the region's ugly tradition in regard to repressing blacks and never expressed a hint of regret for it.
This man embodies the republican party and the conservative movement in this country then and even now. Dispite the fact that he was a democrat he is a symbol of conservative politics.
@TheCaliCapitalist - Very strange analysis and comment. "Despite the fact he was a democrat..." Take a look in the mirror, Cali. Only lily white liberals are capable of such verbal and racial floggings- as recently experienced by Herman Cane, Condoleezza Rice, and Clarence Thomas (to name just a few). In their minds, all conservative blacks deserve the Strom Thurmond treatment. The democratic tradition of racism continues as it always has. REAL diversity is despised by liberals.
@LibtardDetector that's crap. i don't have a problem with anyone being conservative, if that is truly what they believe.herman caine, shot his ownself in the foot. and he was sold out by his own party, not the democrats.condoleezza rice is brilliant, i just didn't happen to agree with her on a lot of issues. and now for clarence thomas, he is an embarrassment to thurgood marshall. all he does is agree with whatever scalia tells him to.
@furrykef - so just because you woldn't allow me into your home, am I supposed to believe you don't consider me a human being? Despite what the schoolbooks brainwash people into believing, blacks had their own theaters, swimming pools, churches, and homes and didn't need the government shredding the Constitution just so they could go to cleaner facilities (Even today, blacks don't seem to know how to clean their businesses.)
Strom Thurmond was not saying that none of the Southern People allowed nigras in our homes, swimming pools, and churches, he was saying there weren't enough troops in the army to FORCE anybody to let anybody else into his home, church, or swimming pool. I would vote for Strom Thurmond if he were alive and ran today. STATES' RIGHTS!
@toddsmitts Allow me to apologize for the spelling. "Heroes." I did not notice it! However, what is inflammatory about states' rights? Is the Tenth Amendment to our Constitution also inflammatory? Think about it!
@stephenwinkler The relative independence of the states is a legitimate concept, that was unfortunately twisted by southerners to justify depriving African-Americans of their rights. State rights cannot trump HUMAN rights.
@toddsmitts I believe in the philosophy of Illinois Senator Stephen Arnold Douglas, that the federal government does not have the constitutional right to interfere in the domestic affairs of the states. This philosophy is consistent with the Tenth Amendment of our Constitution and was supported by Arizona Senator Barry Morris Goldwater. Incidentally, John Wayne has said, that there is no such thing as an African-American. We are all Americans.
@stephenwinkler In most cases, this is fine. However, when a state's laws infringe on the rights of one person or any number of people, the federal government must intervene, either through court ruling, or through legislation. Goldwater, and Thurmond, for that matter, may not have agreed with this, but the vast majority of their Democratic and Republican colleagues in the senate, not to mention the Supreme Court, did
@toddsmitts In the Dred Scott decision, the Supreme Court ruled that black people are not citizens of the United States and cannot never become citizens of the United States. The Supreme Court is extremely capable of an absolute contradiction of its past rulings. Red Skelton once said, that when one person is given rights, someone else loses theirs. My right to freedom of association has been taken away from me and I'm forced to associate with people I'm not comfortable to be around.
@stephenwinkler Ultimately, you are free to associate with whomever you like in your personal life, however, once you open a business providing goods and services to the public, the law says you cannot discriminate whom you serve based on race. Just as your right to swing your arm ends at the tip of your neighbor's nose, your right to disassociate yourself from others based on race ends at refusing service to others on that basis.
@toddsmitts The great majority of business people want to make money and work hard to please the public. Nobody comes in and they go out of business. Businsess still have the right to refuse service to anyone, that might create a disturbance or cause others to leave. For example, a bad body odor in a restaurant or the inappropriate clothing, such as the lack of a shirt or shoes. Common sense should dictate, who we serve, not the federal government.
@stephenwinkler First, today, this is true, however businesses in the south that refused service to blacks had little concern for loss of income because NO ONE served blacks. (There were towns in Alabama where more hotels allowed dogs to stay than blacks). Secondly the examples you cite are not analagous. Denying service to someone who is unsanitary or disruptive is NOT the same as denying it to someone based on their color.
@toddsmitts It takes a lot of hard work to save up the money to invest in a business and then the federal government comes along and tells you how to run it. Does not seem right. We used to have free enterprise, but now we only have private enterprise. There was private enterprise under Fascism, but it was not free enterprise, because of the government regulations. More power to the federal government means less freedom to the individual. Maybe, the Tea Party Patriots will change all that.
@stephenwinkler It takes a lot of work and money to do a lot of things, like becoming a doctor or lawyer, or open a restaurant. But whatever you choose, there's still some basic standards you must operate by. I made an earlier sarcastic comment for this video that this was a Tea Party rally circa 1948. As we see from your comment, maybe I wasn't so far off after all. If the Tea Party means going back to "Whites Only" businesses, no thanks. THAT is closer to fascism.
@toddsmitts I have no problem with the "good old days." Once upon the time, we had free enterprise. Now we do not. Fascism is not racism; Nazism, a form of Fascism is racist. Fascism is government control of private enterprise and private enterprise loses its freedom. We are not Fascists, but the government control of business is one aspect of Fascism and I do not like it.. Incidentally, why would you want to go a businnes, that is not friendly? If they do not want you there, go someplace else.
@stephenwinkler Since power, privledge, employment, and even some basic rights were only extended to people who look like you, I'm not surprised you're nostalgic for the "good old days". Conservatives often seem to forget it wasn't so "good" for others. As for "going somewhere else", I'll point out again that alternatives for blacks were few and far between. It wasn't like "McDonald's has poor service so I'll go to the BurgerKing next door". You CANNOT discriminate service based on race, get it?
@toddsmitts If I go into a place of business and the people there do not make me feel comfortable, I will leave before being robbed. I'm sure, many people feel the same way I do. Maybe, they are too loud or are using language not acceptable to me or I do not want that kind of language spoken in the presence of my children. We, by our human nature, do not feel comfortable with people different from us. Sorry about that, it is just the way we feel.
@stephenwinkler The notion that you'll go into a place of business, encounter a black person, and, knowing nothing about them, automatically expect them to be unruly or even rob you is the epitome of racism. Now you're entitled to exercize whatever unfortunate attitudes you like as to where you spend your money as a consumer, but you don't get to tell your neighbor where HE can go. Get it?
@toddsmitts Senator John Kerry has a yacht registered in Rhode Island to avoid the high taxes on it in Massachusetts. That is the way it should be. There should be states, that allow integration and if you want that sort of thing, it is alright by me. However, the states should have the right to be different from other states and I would have the right to live in a state of my choice without fear of assault. Sorry, I have had some unfortunate experience and I want to evade it, if I can.
@stephenwinkler I'm not sure what the John Kerry stuff is about, and I'm sorry if you've had some bad experiences, but you cannot restrict the rights of others simply because you've developed some fear of black people.
@toddsmitts It is about states' rights. Before the Suicide of Civilized America, some states allowed slavery; some states passed black codes, that placed restrictions on black people; some states excluded black people from living in those states; some states required culturally uniformity; some states were segregated; and some states had equal rights for all citizens. The War changed our federal republic into a national state and our states lost the right of legislation.
@stephenwinkler I have no interest in going back to the barbarism of slavery and that you would even suggest that was a good this is quite troubling. The US is a NATION. Though laws often vary between provinces and states, every democratic nation has basic rights afforded to all citizens that trump state laws, as it should be. And having seen the kind of stuff on your profile page, this is the last I'll be saying on the subject. Good-bye.
The south's clamoring about "state's rights" rings hollow to me, since southerners often did not extend that courtesy to the north either. While in Conneticut in 1950, future MS Governor Ross Barnett, when he discovered a black man was eating in the same restaurant as him, demanded the owner throw him out. When the owner refused, Barnett became so abusive, the owner was force to call the police and have Barnett himself removed.
That's my great grandfather right there. That beautiful black daughter of his is my grandmother. Not that I'm disagreeing with you or anything. Just saying.
He was a very good politician, and seemed like a very good person though i did not know him personally. His beef with segregation was about states' rights. It had nothing to do with race. He had a black daughter.
@rashadkijani Well because it wasn't integration, but forced integration. So it's not an issue of race, but of blanket laws that created more harm than good. One blanket law said you had to seperate, which then got replaced by another blanket law which said you had to integrate. The integration was worse though because it created a precedent of destroying states rights, so even though 90% of southern blacks wanted seperation, it was decided at a federal level, leading to violence.
@guyjohn59 Why do you see integration as a threat to states rights but you dont see segregation as a threat to staes rights? Since you say they were both govt laws. And where did you get stats for what blacks wanted? And why did you put it in the context of what the blacks wanted.? Blacks basically coudnt vote so why would anyone be worried about the black populations opinion at the time? How much of the white population wanted integration?
@rashadkijani Because segregation was decided by the states themselves. It might have been a threat to the people of the states' rights, but the not the state itself. It was closer to home in other words. Again, it was not ideal though. According to then Senator Eastland, 90% of both whites and blacks wanted segregation, but because schools and such were monopolized it could only go one way. So the 10% that wanted integration couldn't be happy.
@guyjohn59 So jim crow laws weren't good, but they were necessarily the result of the federal government nationalizing the schools. Since it had to be one way or the other, 100% segregation satisfied more of the population (90%) than 100% integration (10%). So not only did the federal govenrment make 10% unhappy by nationalizing the schools and causing full segregation, but made 90% unhappy by unconstitutionally imposing integration, and 100% unhappy by setting an unparalleled precedent.
SO HOW IS BLACKS TELLING A WHITE MAN HE CAN'T JOIN THEIR "BLACK CAUCUS" NOT RACIST? I AGREE STROM WAS A RACIST PRICK... BUT SO ARE MANY BLACK PEOPLE TODAY... THEY DONT WANT TO BE A PART OF A GENERAL SOCIETY, THEY WANT TO HAVE "THEIR OWN" SHIT... BLACK THIS, BLACK THAT.. RATHER THAN BASING SHIT ON CHARACTER, INTELLIGENCE, AND WORK ETHIC THEY BASE IT ON THE COLOR OF YOUR FUCKING SKIN?! BLACK PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH MORE SHIT TODAY BECAUSE OF SHIT THAT HAPPENED TO PEOPLE NEITHER BLACKS OR WHITES KNO
The word "nigger" is meant to dehumanize. It refers to an uncouth, savage individual devoid of culture or humanity. Most importantly, a nigger has no sense of identity but the one given to him/her. There are many ignorant Blacks and Whites, who use the term loosely with no true understanding of it.
Despite the incredible jaw dropping revelation that this racist fathered a black child, google searches on this guy doesn't readily expose that.. Hmm, interesting but not surprising.
Thurmond had a black mistress and fathered her child. And he "knew all about swimming pools," and was a frequent guest at a friend's pool, where he joined in skinny dipping parties.
Just Married Into the Thurmond Family in February and couldn't be happier ...for 2 reason 1.hes my true love 2.Its destiny cause years and years before i met my husband i had got strom's autograph photo so it was meant to be that i would wind up married to a Thurmond :)
Very few of the southern senators and governors who resisted civil rights are left. The only ones I know of are the aforementioned Senator Byrd (who later renounced segregation) and Alabama Gov. John Patterson.
Interestingly, both endorsed Obama in the 2008 election. I assumed Byrd would but was surprised to learn Patterson did as well.
In "The Audacity of Hope" Obama describes how very far Byrd finally moved beyond that sad past. The two actually had a warm mutual respect for one another.
I agree with you, especially on the attitude hasn't gone away part. Thurmond was in office until his death in 2003, I think. There still had to be plenty of people who supported his thinking. I can't imagine if Thurmond had said, "I hate white people but I will lower your taxes" that these same people would have voted for him. They must not have seen anything offensive in what he stood for to still vote for him for all those years.
I never understand how such evil and ill-minded people live to be 100 years old. Even former segregationist Robert Byrd who was a klansman is approaching 100. Why does God bless such schlemiel individuals?
Haha, Amen on that one...as you mention Ted Haggard I was getting ready to say Jimmy Swaggart but you nailed it right on the head lol!
As a Black person, I see past this mess. Great lessons to be learned as it is history, but we need to move forward. MLK stated we would be judged by the content of our character and not the color of our skin, and it should remain that way.
I have noticed that racist white men seem to have a thing for sleeping with black women. It reminds me of that movie Monster's Ball. BB Thornton actually cares about the chick in the movie, but his dad is still super racist, and he makes a gross sexual comment about black women. This really racist white guy I know (he's in his 60's) cheated on his wife several times with a black woman, but he disowned his brother when he married a black woman.
I have some relatives originally from Cuba. And I heard before the Castro regime, when Cuba was a huge playground for rich Americans, so many of the Southern American males would go there and ask for the blackest prostitute available. This was during the time of Jim Crow, mind you.
@CazK88 To be fair, Byrd renounced both the klan and segregation and has a fairly liberal voting record (though he's made some poorly chosen statements).
He seems to be a minority in this respect, however, as most other southern politicians and law enforcement who lived into the 80s and 90s tended to say they didn't regret anything or that they'd do the same things over again.
Examples are Selma Sheriff Jim Clark, MIss. Sen James Eastland, Miss. Gov Ross Barnett, and NC Sen. Jesse Helms.
I am aware he renounced, but I wouldn't be bold to say he is a minority because of his views. Does that mean all former segregationists who changed their views became a minority themselves after they renounced?
I am sure others would feel that way. Hell, even today this closet racism still seems blatant. I am certain people didn't vote for President Obama because he was a Black man. But you take a survey, you will find people didn't vote for that "reason."
I don't mean a "minority" in terms of race. The term minority actually means a portion in a group that is fewer in numbers than the majority.
And yes, there are, unfortunately, still people today who won't for an African-American. Check out Alexandra Pelosi's documentary "Right America: Feeling Wronged", where the House Speaker's daughter interviews many McCain supporters. I believe it's on youtube (in 6 to 10 parts)
In addition that that video you are speaking on, I not only looked at that but also when the media interviewed people in West Virginia. You would find people who found it hard to find another reason not to vote for Obama. Of course they didn't want to be "blatant" about their reasoning, but it doesn't take an Einstein to read in between the lines. As they question his birth certificate and label him as an arab, are all apart of their game of scare tactics to incite fear. Unlucky!
''It's hypocritical,'' said Joseph Lowery, co-founder and longtime head of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. ''It is all too typical of many white segregationists who were segregationists by day but quite integrationists at night.'' NY Times
He supported her throughout the years, sending her checks and cards and paying her college tuition, although her lawyer refused to allow her to say how much money he had given her over the years. While she was in college and he was governor, he would come by limousine to see her on campus. Ms. Williams was instructed to tell people she and the governor were family friends. Not many people believed them. NY Times
At the same time Mr. Thurmond was electrifying segregationist rallies with statements like, ''all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes,'' he was taking his hidden daughter into his home, in this case the governor's mansion. True to the spirit of the days, she came through the back door. NY Times
Strom Thurmond was still a South Carolina senator in 2003, when he died in office. South Carolina repeatedly reelected this man and his passion against black people well into the 21st century.
If he had not died in 2003, there is not reason why he would not continue to represent the view of South Carolina today.
U2, from the NY Times! Later in life, he changed his views, hiring many blacks to work in his office and supporting a national holiday honoring the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. All along the way, he supported black colleges -- and one student in particular. Ms. Williams, who studied at the all-black South Carolina State College and went on to become a teacher, described a warm but confusing relationship with her father.
which is why he kept his daughter in the closet by paying her off until his death. After running for President on the single issue of the suppression and segregation of an entire race of human beings based on the color of their skin. After rallying hundreds of thousands of angry, racist Americans to speak out forcefully against the equal treatment of the Negros and to match that anger with a vote.
U#, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. Point is, his daughter didn't know till later on who her father was! She never spoke I'll of him, and he obviously was man enough to take care of his own while financially providing for her and allowing her in his professional work place! Hypocrisy is what you should be addressing if you think highly of how he publicly portrayed himself. Behind closed doors, he wasn't that man! Sheep will be sheep though, and he politically capitalized on that.
He 100% believed in the statement of this video. You can not do enough in your later life to make up for running for Leader of the free world on the single issue of suppression and subjugation of other human beings because of their skin color.
And even if he tried, Thurmond never, ever recanted his statements nor did he have a voting record supporting minority rights. He was a racist his whole life, and he fathered a baby with the maid then paid hush money to save face. These are facts.
U2, ok, ummmm whatever. Maybe his daughter is an Uncle Tom or a House Nigga or something! Nothing new, there are plenty running around these days! Putting a child through college and supporting them is hush money huh? Having said child come to your office in plain view of other whites is hush money huh? Everyone has a right to their opinion I guess.
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Strom is the ultimate leader in SC. I wish his courage would spread throughout SC again. Do Vndice, for those educated enough to knwo what that means. The rest of you, who cares?
"The sad part 4 me is that his daughter had no respect for the Black part of her. She sold her silence for the outspoken Bigot! Did she ever release a book? Nothing she have said could convince me that He Loved HERSELF! Again SADD!"
chancetwo? Maybe you should consider joining Strom. Then you can also make the world better. What say? Give it a try. I suggest strangulation, but whatever floats your boat.
strom thurmond was a great american.. what he said about what would happen to the public schools in the South after desegregation ,was exactly correct. it ruined the schools here in the South, too students going to school now who don't care
I bet he wasn't saying that when he was tapping that black ass a few years before. Fucking hypocrite, the man fathers a beautiful black daughter who he then DENIES right...
To then run for president years later and say shit like this.
My generation isn't a bunch of saints but these people were really pathetic.
@thiscantbesustained come on dude - times change - people change... this is simply a reflection of A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH - BLACKS INCLUDED! there were MANY prominent black figures whom AT THE TIME - thought it was best that the races have their own shit - which basically is how it is now... black people get to use all resources and shit white people "own", AND they get their own shit too! Strom was simply trying to save his political career - he DID support him and put her thru school
@thiscantbesustained I do not agree with what he said at all, but keep in mind that his mind set is his culture. It is difficult to not be what is ingrained into you from childhood. I would not say he is pathetic, just wrong. During his time many people had his attitude, but attitudes can change, and they have. This is coming from a 17 year old kid from South Carolina going to a school with roughly 50/50 black and white people.
i still like when trent lott was giving a speech at strom's going away party, or something. anyway, he made some comment about how if strom would have won in '48, we never would have hd the civil rights movement, and things would have been better. when he said that, even strom, as addled as he was by then, even looked up at him, as if to say, you can't say that.
no he switched to the republican party because the liberal branch of the Democratic party gained more power, and they were pro- civil rights. he died a segregationist to the end.
Not during any time in his career when he was relevant. Dude was OVER SIXTY when he was helping Barry Goldwater run against LBJ to prevent the coming of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
He moderated them by simply stating that he was fighting for the over all issue of states rights which is written as the
10th amendment in the Constitution and by stating that at that time that integration was a valid concern of Southern states which I agree with. The fed only makes things worse when they intervene. More violence and more controversy.
No, Strom was no better than Ross Barnett, Lester Maddox, and Jim Eastland - they had the same backbone. Of course, back then we had literacy tests which, shall we say, changed the complexion of the voters.
You Dumb Fuck!!!! This man is one of the reasons black people had to find their own colleges. Black people were not alowed to attend other colleges for a long time. use you common since if you have any.
They weren't allowed to attend because they weren't wanted - and they were forced in, by federal troops. That's the main reason. And the southern school remain effectively segregated by choice, so it was pretty much all for nothing.
@julioklj8 Lots of schools get called black schools becuz that is how whites view them since they may have a lot of blacks in them not necessairly becuz they have a policy to exclude whites out? This country was built on white supremacy culture and whites on a general basis would reguate blacks into certain areas or schools that whites would label black. Those schools werent called black schools to keep white people out they were called blacks schools to keep black people in.
@julioklj8 I always find questions like yours to be disingenious. Why dont whites complain about how unfair it is that indians got put in their own indian reservations but whites dont get put into their own white reservations.
I fucking hate talking about race, it always brings violence and flaming. If race wasn't such a fucking big issue, America could focus more on Social Order and Economic Repair.
In my 53 years on this planet I have learned that people are personal (ego-centric), they are tribal, and above all, they are sexual, which trumps being personal and tribal. In other words, people will still have sex with those whom they personally despise or view as racially hostile or inferior. Sigh, such is our nature.
Truth is the whole sleeping with maid was not as uncommon as conventional wisdom would have you think. People have been fucking each other in South before slavery ended, during segregation, and even until today. Yes, he was a hypocrite, but, hey, he was a politician. Are we all damn 4 year olds out there? What do you expect from the average politician?
Times do change. Just imagine that speech today, he wouldn't stand a chance of winning a spot on the high school student council, much much less the presidency of the united states
what an ignorant bastard. goes to show how incredibly stupid the people of South Carolina are..."yeah he sounds like a good governor let's vote for him"
Yes, but Strom Thurmond was known for catering to the views of his constituents and changed his views accordingly... that's why he stuck around for so long (not because of his views on race). When he ran for President, he was a member of the Dixiecrat party. After he lost, he switched over to the Democratic party and eventually the Republican party. The views of one man 60 years ago should not be a reflection on the people of South Carolina today.
No, those feelings were heartfelt. The thing is those views and policies were wrong then as they were wrong now. Having relatives who were living at that time under segregation, I can attest for them that those were more than views he was espousing. And people's views from that time had to change only because (thank God) overt racism became stigmatized. His private views probably never really changed. But his public views had ot be different for his political survival.
I'm from SC and let me say, I certainly have never supported Strom Thurmond or his ignorant policies, but so many people here have. That's one of the big reasons this state sucks politically. Too many nutty conservatives screw up everything. Just don't assume everyone has supported him, it's simply not true.
I think what he is referring to is "forced integration," which, of course, will not work. Usually it was "forced" back then: crammed down the throats of a resentful Southern people by the all-knowing federal government. Voluntary integration, however, in which all parties desire it will work.
And liberals don't screw up? Hahahaha! Your an idiot!
Your the ignorant one here. You have to realize this was a different time for our country. Im sure there are people that still think like that,but they won't act on their beliefs in this day in time.
Well, he couldn't have thought that bad of them. To go as far as sleeping with a person of a race that he supposedly HATES says a lot. He's a hypocrite. Plain and simple.
Well, he couldn't have thought that bad of them. To go as far as sleeping with a person of a race that a race he supposedly HATES says a lot. He's a hypocrite. Plain and simple.
This guy was totally frontin'. Talking about segregation and then goes and sleeps with a black woman. Oh, but it gets better. The woman gets pregnant by him so now he has a mixed daughter! If that's not a paradox. I don't know what is.
JohnMichaels20: sounds as if you think Obama isn't fit to be President merely because he is black. Do you want Strom to keep "nigras" out of the White House, too?
I'm not a nationalist. That's your interpretation, not mine. You're automatically assuming that because I don't see Nazi Germany being the same as Thurmond's political campaign in the US being similar makes me 'evil'. I'm more surprised that you haven't resorted to the typical ad hominem 'white trash' and 'yo momma didn't treat you right' childish insults
Blame Nazi Germany??? I blame Nazi Germany for starting WWII in Europe, yes, just as I blame them for murdering 6 millions jews. I, being an American, know my own history and know that segregation and the Holocaust are different.
Besides, if I were a nationalist, wouldn't I denied Hitler murdered 6 million jews?
There were other issues besides race. Had Thurmond been President instead of that idiot Harry Truman, America would've won the Korean War. Strom would let MacArthur do his job. North Korea's a thorn in our side to this very day as a result. Thanks alot, Harry! If only ...
He might have had other issues besides race, but race was his main platform which is why he didn't win. How can you support someone who speaks one thing and does another? He believed in segreation but had a baby with a black woman? And he clearly had a problem with just African Ameicans because he would have protested against more than one race. I guess your hero must have believed in intergration at least once.
"That a white man OUGHT to hobnob with a Negro because otherwise he would not be Christian or unselfish involves a flagrant assumption of superiority. The Negro, if he is not a fool, loves his own inspiration and expands in the society of his own people. Vital liberty differentiates. Only vacant freedom leaves all in the same anonymous crowd." -- George Santayana, 'Dominations and Powers'
actually, it was unconstitutional of the Civil Rights to force employers and businesses to hire people they didn't want to. HOWEVER, yes, the only constitutional part was denying someone the right to vote.
You're talking about affirmative action. That's a completely different matter from Civil Rights. The Civil Rights Acts never forced anyone to hire minoities. It just ended required racial segregation.
I've heard so many say "everyone was extremely racist back in the late 40's". And while they may be subtly racist, Strom Thurmond only got 2% of the vote. Dewey did not speak on civil rights, and America knew Truman was in strong support of it. AND TRUMAN WON. Dewey got 45%. So not many cared that much about segregation. If they did, Thurmond would govern the country until '56.
the south wasn't a paradise for minorities back in the day. no matter, what people want to say. why the hell did so many blacks migrate up north, if things were so wonderful down here??? i'm sorry, if you pay taxes, fight wars, work, then you have the same rights as everyone else, no matter what color you are. has anyone here remembered that blacks couldn't vote down here until 1965????? and if it took the gov't coming down here to ensure that all citizens were treated fairly, so be it.
tranurse 1 month ago
@tranurse are you from the south?
doczg88 2 weeks ago
@doczg88 born and raised.
tranurse 2 weeks ago
@tranurse can you tel me county and state? I'm from Europe so I'm curious. You don't have to answer if you are uncomfortable.
doczg88 2 weeks ago
off topic, but i still like the clip where trent lott was honoring strom. he basically said if strom had one, we could have avoided the civil rights act and all that entailed. even strom looked up at trent, with a look, like 'you can't say that anymore!' it still makes me laugh.
tranurse 5 months ago
@tranurse oops, i meant won. that is what i get for typing, watching tv, and looking for the dog at the same time.
tranurse 5 months ago
@tranurse As the Republican party moved further to the right, the former party of Lincoln began a long history of insensitivity towards minorities (if not the outright hostility Dixiecrats had). In 1980, Reagan gave his first post-convention speech, infamously saying "I believe in states' rights", at the Neshoba County Fair, just a few miles from Philadelphia, MS, a tiny town whose only national claim to fame was being the location of 3 civil rights workers' murders in 1964.
toddsmitts 1 month ago
@toddsmitts oh yeah. i figure in the south, all the whites who had traditionally been democrats, became republicans after 1965. and i'm not surprised what reagan said. i would have figured he had better sense to say it, especially there, but i'm not surprised. remember, reagan is the same guy who said he lived in america BEFORE there was a race problem.
tranurse 1 month ago
@tranurse Well not ALL whites. There have been some progressive southern governors after 1970 like Bill Clinton in Arkansas, Jimmy Carter in Georgia, Ray Mabus and William Winter in Mississippi, etc. Though today in the south whites are indeed predominantly GOP and African Americans predominately Dems. Nor did this shift happen right away. Defections have been ongoing for years. If you look up "Party switching in the United States" on Wikipedia, you can see it's STILL happening.
toddsmitts 1 month ago
@toddsmitts oh i know, i'm white. i'm so liberal, my husband says i leave a trail of blood behind me.
tranurse 1 month ago
@floridatom1964 He was hardly the "founder". He was preceded by a number of virulently racist southern politicians, such as Ben Tillman, Theodore Bilbo, "Cotton" Ed Smith, and John E. Rankin. He did, however, fully embrace and perpetuate the region's ugly tradition in regard to repressing blacks and never expressed a hint of regret for it.
toddsmitts 7 months ago
This man embodies the republican party and the conservative movement in this country then and even now. Dispite the fact that he was a democrat he is a symbol of conservative politics.
TheCaliCapitalist 7 months ago
@TheCaliCapitalist - Very strange analysis and comment. "Despite the fact he was a democrat..." Take a look in the mirror, Cali. Only lily white liberals are capable of such verbal and racial floggings- as recently experienced by Herman Cane, Condoleezza Rice, and Clarence Thomas (to name just a few). In their minds, all conservative blacks deserve the Strom Thurmond treatment. The democratic tradition of racism continues as it always has. REAL diversity is despised by liberals.
LibtardDetector 2 months ago
@LibtardDetector that's crap. i don't have a problem with anyone being conservative, if that is truly what they believe.herman caine, shot his ownself in the foot. and he was sold out by his own party, not the democrats.condoleezza rice is brilliant, i just didn't happen to agree with her on a lot of issues. and now for clarence thomas, he is an embarrassment to thurgood marshall. all he does is agree with whatever scalia tells him to.
tranurse 2 weeks ago
@furrykef - so just because you woldn't allow me into your home, am I supposed to believe you don't consider me a human being? Despite what the schoolbooks brainwash people into believing, blacks had their own theaters, swimming pools, churches, and homes and didn't need the government shredding the Constitution just so they could go to cleaner facilities (Even today, blacks don't seem to know how to clean their businesses.)
Sistarovat 8 months ago
Strom Thurmond was not saying that none of the Southern People allowed nigras in our homes, swimming pools, and churches, he was saying there weren't enough troops in the army to FORCE anybody to let anybody else into his home, church, or swimming pool. I would vote for Strom Thurmond if he were alive and ran today. STATES' RIGHTS!
Sistarovat 9 months ago
@Sistarovat - people shouldn't have to be forced to treat each other like human beings, but apparently they do.
furrykef 8 months ago
Strom Thurmond is one of my heros!
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler Inflammatory statement + poor spelling = troll.
toddsmitts 11 months ago
@toddsmitts Allow me to apologize for the spelling. "Heroes." I did not notice it! However, what is inflammatory about states' rights? Is the Tenth Amendment to our Constitution also inflammatory? Think about it!
stephenwinkler 11 months ago
@stephenwinkler The relative independence of the states is a legitimate concept, that was unfortunately twisted by southerners to justify depriving African-Americans of their rights. State rights cannot trump HUMAN rights.
toddsmitts 11 months ago
@toddsmitts I believe in the philosophy of Illinois Senator Stephen Arnold Douglas, that the federal government does not have the constitutional right to interfere in the domestic affairs of the states. This philosophy is consistent with the Tenth Amendment of our Constitution and was supported by Arizona Senator Barry Morris Goldwater. Incidentally, John Wayne has said, that there is no such thing as an African-American. We are all Americans.
stephenwinkler 11 months ago
@stephenwinkler In most cases, this is fine. However, when a state's laws infringe on the rights of one person or any number of people, the federal government must intervene, either through court ruling, or through legislation. Goldwater, and Thurmond, for that matter, may not have agreed with this, but the vast majority of their Democratic and Republican colleagues in the senate, not to mention the Supreme Court, did
toddsmitts 11 months ago
@toddsmitts In the Dred Scott decision, the Supreme Court ruled that black people are not citizens of the United States and cannot never become citizens of the United States. The Supreme Court is extremely capable of an absolute contradiction of its past rulings. Red Skelton once said, that when one person is given rights, someone else loses theirs. My right to freedom of association has been taken away from me and I'm forced to associate with people I'm not comfortable to be around.
stephenwinkler 11 months ago
@stephenwinkler Ultimately, you are free to associate with whomever you like in your personal life, however, once you open a business providing goods and services to the public, the law says you cannot discriminate whom you serve based on race. Just as your right to swing your arm ends at the tip of your neighbor's nose, your right to disassociate yourself from others based on race ends at refusing service to others on that basis.
toddsmitts 11 months ago
@toddsmitts The great majority of business people want to make money and work hard to please the public. Nobody comes in and they go out of business. Businsess still have the right to refuse service to anyone, that might create a disturbance or cause others to leave. For example, a bad body odor in a restaurant or the inappropriate clothing, such as the lack of a shirt or shoes. Common sense should dictate, who we serve, not the federal government.
stephenwinkler 11 months ago
@stephenwinkler First, today, this is true, however businesses in the south that refused service to blacks had little concern for loss of income because NO ONE served blacks. (There were towns in Alabama where more hotels allowed dogs to stay than blacks). Secondly the examples you cite are not analagous. Denying service to someone who is unsanitary or disruptive is NOT the same as denying it to someone based on their color.
toddsmitts 11 months ago
@toddsmitts It takes a lot of hard work to save up the money to invest in a business and then the federal government comes along and tells you how to run it. Does not seem right. We used to have free enterprise, but now we only have private enterprise. There was private enterprise under Fascism, but it was not free enterprise, because of the government regulations. More power to the federal government means less freedom to the individual. Maybe, the Tea Party Patriots will change all that.
stephenwinkler 11 months ago
@stephenwinkler It takes a lot of work and money to do a lot of things, like becoming a doctor or lawyer, or open a restaurant. But whatever you choose, there's still some basic standards you must operate by. I made an earlier sarcastic comment for this video that this was a Tea Party rally circa 1948. As we see from your comment, maybe I wasn't so far off after all. If the Tea Party means going back to "Whites Only" businesses, no thanks. THAT is closer to fascism.
toddsmitts 11 months ago
@toddsmitts I have no problem with the "good old days." Once upon the time, we had free enterprise. Now we do not. Fascism is not racism; Nazism, a form of Fascism is racist. Fascism is government control of private enterprise and private enterprise loses its freedom. We are not Fascists, but the government control of business is one aspect of Fascism and I do not like it.. Incidentally, why would you want to go a businnes, that is not friendly? If they do not want you there, go someplace else.
stephenwinkler 11 months ago
@stephenwinkler Since power, privledge, employment, and even some basic rights were only extended to people who look like you, I'm not surprised you're nostalgic for the "good old days". Conservatives often seem to forget it wasn't so "good" for others. As for "going somewhere else", I'll point out again that alternatives for blacks were few and far between. It wasn't like "McDonald's has poor service so I'll go to the BurgerKing next door". You CANNOT discriminate service based on race, get it?
toddsmitts 11 months ago
@toddsmitts If I go into a place of business and the people there do not make me feel comfortable, I will leave before being robbed. I'm sure, many people feel the same way I do. Maybe, they are too loud or are using language not acceptable to me or I do not want that kind of language spoken in the presence of my children. We, by our human nature, do not feel comfortable with people different from us. Sorry about that, it is just the way we feel.
stephenwinkler 11 months ago
@stephenwinkler The notion that you'll go into a place of business, encounter a black person, and, knowing nothing about them, automatically expect them to be unruly or even rob you is the epitome of racism. Now you're entitled to exercize whatever unfortunate attitudes you like as to where you spend your money as a consumer, but you don't get to tell your neighbor where HE can go. Get it?
toddsmitts 11 months ago
@toddsmitts Senator John Kerry has a yacht registered in Rhode Island to avoid the high taxes on it in Massachusetts. That is the way it should be. There should be states, that allow integration and if you want that sort of thing, it is alright by me. However, the states should have the right to be different from other states and I would have the right to live in a state of my choice without fear of assault. Sorry, I have had some unfortunate experience and I want to evade it, if I can.
stephenwinkler 11 months ago
@stephenwinkler I'm not sure what the John Kerry stuff is about, and I'm sorry if you've had some bad experiences, but you cannot restrict the rights of others simply because you've developed some fear of black people.
toddsmitts 11 months ago
@toddsmitts It is about states' rights. Before the Suicide of Civilized America, some states allowed slavery; some states passed black codes, that placed restrictions on black people; some states excluded black people from living in those states; some states required culturally uniformity; some states were segregated; and some states had equal rights for all citizens. The War changed our federal republic into a national state and our states lost the right of legislation.
stephenwinkler 11 months ago
@stephenwinkler I have no interest in going back to the barbarism of slavery and that you would even suggest that was a good this is quite troubling. The US is a NATION. Though laws often vary between provinces and states, every democratic nation has basic rights afforded to all citizens that trump state laws, as it should be. And having seen the kind of stuff on your profile page, this is the last I'll be saying on the subject. Good-bye.
toddsmitts 11 months ago
The south's clamoring about "state's rights" rings hollow to me, since southerners often did not extend that courtesy to the north either. While in Conneticut in 1950, future MS Governor Ross Barnett, when he discovered a black man was eating in the same restaurant as him, demanded the owner throw him out. When the owner refused, Barnett became so abusive, the owner was force to call the police and have Barnett himself removed.
toddsmitts 1 year ago
That's my great grandfather right there. That beautiful black daughter of his is my grandmother. Not that I'm disagreeing with you or anything. Just saying.
concreteskr 1 year ago
This man personafies the republican party of today.
TheCaliCapitalist 1 year ago
He was a very good politician, and seemed like a very good person though i did not know him personally. His beef with segregation was about states' rights. It had nothing to do with race. He had a black daughter.
guyjohn59 1 year ago
@guyjohn59 How can you say it has nothing to do with race when the segregation issue was about keeping the races seperate?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani Well because it wasn't integration, but forced integration. So it's not an issue of race, but of blanket laws that created more harm than good. One blanket law said you had to seperate, which then got replaced by another blanket law which said you had to integrate. The integration was worse though because it created a precedent of destroying states rights, so even though 90% of southern blacks wanted seperation, it was decided at a federal level, leading to violence.
guyjohn59 1 year ago
@guyjohn59 Why do you see integration as a threat to states rights but you dont see segregation as a threat to staes rights? Since you say they were both govt laws. And where did you get stats for what blacks wanted? And why did you put it in the context of what the blacks wanted.? Blacks basically coudnt vote so why would anyone be worried about the black populations opinion at the time? How much of the white population wanted integration?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani Because segregation was decided by the states themselves. It might have been a threat to the people of the states' rights, but the not the state itself. It was closer to home in other words. Again, it was not ideal though. According to then Senator Eastland, 90% of both whites and blacks wanted segregation, but because schools and such were monopolized it could only go one way. So the 10% that wanted integration couldn't be happy.
guyjohn59 1 year ago
@guyjohn59 So jim crow laws weren't good, but they were necessarily the result of the federal government nationalizing the schools. Since it had to be one way or the other, 100% segregation satisfied more of the population (90%) than 100% integration (10%). So not only did the federal govenrment make 10% unhappy by nationalizing the schools and causing full segregation, but made 90% unhappy by unconstitutionally imposing integration, and 100% unhappy by setting an unparalleled precedent.
guyjohn59 1 year ago
@guyjohn59 The 90% can be unhappy as they like, but they did not have the right to deprive the rights of the other 10%
toddsmitts 1 year ago
SO HOW IS BLACKS TELLING A WHITE MAN HE CAN'T JOIN THEIR "BLACK CAUCUS" NOT RACIST? I AGREE STROM WAS A RACIST PRICK... BUT SO ARE MANY BLACK PEOPLE TODAY... THEY DONT WANT TO BE A PART OF A GENERAL SOCIETY, THEY WANT TO HAVE "THEIR OWN" SHIT... BLACK THIS, BLACK THAT.. RATHER THAN BASING SHIT ON CHARACTER, INTELLIGENCE, AND WORK ETHIC THEY BASE IT ON THE COLOR OF YOUR FUCKING SKIN?! BLACK PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH MORE SHIT TODAY BECAUSE OF SHIT THAT HAPPENED TO PEOPLE NEITHER BLACKS OR WHITES KNO
chestermolester33 1 year ago
i hope hells is hot enough for him
jermyddavis 1 year ago
Then you should have built your so called country with your bare hands, I hope the devil is stepping on your head like a sidewalk in hell.
joshua626 1 year ago
Imagine if he would have lived to january 20, 2009. What a sight that could have been. A 'nigger' as the most powerful man on Earth.
jerelconstantino 1 year ago
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jerelconstantino 1 year ago
epic fail
bobbybenjamin 1 year ago
A Tea Party rally, circa 1948.
toddsmitts 1 year ago
The word "nigger" is meant to dehumanize. It refers to an uncouth, savage individual devoid of culture or humanity. Most importantly, a nigger has no sense of identity but the one given to him/her. There are many ignorant Blacks and Whites, who use the term loosely with no true understanding of it.
fedner31 1 year ago
Despite the incredible jaw dropping revelation that this racist fathered a black child, google searches on this guy doesn't readily expose that.. Hmm, interesting but not surprising.
totaljett 1 year ago
Thurmond had a black mistress and fathered her child. And he "knew all about swimming pools," and was a frequent guest at a friend's pool, where he joined in skinny dipping parties.
BigSelkie 1 year ago
I hope you are burning in hell you disgusting excuse for a human being.
jerry1qa 1 year ago
Just Married Into the Thurmond Family in February and couldn't be happier ...for 2 reason 1.hes my true love 2.Its destiny cause years and years before i met my husband i had got strom's autograph photo so it was meant to be that i would wind up married to a Thurmond :)
Fma42081 1 year ago
@Fma42081 Woopsy fucking woo!
numinouslayers 1 year ago
@numinouslayers I'll Say :)
Fma42081 1 year ago 3
Good ol dixiecrat, and south carolina man
sandythebear 1 year ago 2
Very few of the southern senators and governors who resisted civil rights are left. The only ones I know of are the aforementioned Senator Byrd (who later renounced segregation) and Alabama Gov. John Patterson.
Interestingly, both endorsed Obama in the 2008 election. I assumed Byrd would but was surprised to learn Patterson did as well.
toddsmitts 2 years ago
In "The Audacity of Hope" Obama describes how very far Byrd finally moved beyond that sad past. The two actually had a warm mutual respect for one another.
People can change, it's nice to see.
Illiknight 2 years ago
What is hard for me to understand is how South Carolina continued to vote for this racist in our so-called post-racist world.
lovingit1000 2 years ago
For starters, people with such attitudes haven't completely gone away, though most know that such rhetoric today wouldn't go over nearly as well.
People tend to get used to senators, so it's quite common to have them remain in office for decades.
Plus, being a republican alone probably made him appeal to the "low taxes" crowd.
toddsmitts 2 years ago
I agree with you, especially on the attitude hasn't gone away part. Thurmond was in office until his death in 2003, I think. There still had to be plenty of people who supported his thinking. I can't imagine if Thurmond had said, "I hate white people but I will lower your taxes" that these same people would have voted for him. They must not have seen anything offensive in what he stood for to still vote for him for all those years.
I think we aren't so post-racial as we imagine.
lovingit1000 2 years ago
I never understand how such evil and ill-minded people live to be 100 years old. Even former segregationist Robert Byrd who was a klansman is approaching 100. Why does God bless such schlemiel individuals?
CazK88 2 years ago
@CazK88 - I guess God makes them live long enough to see that they failed.
lovingit1000 2 years ago
@lovingit1000
I guess you're right. Too bad he didn't live to see the 2008 Presidential election. He probably would've died then. ;-}
CazK88 2 years ago
@CazK88 - LOL! Funny...but true.
Irony in all of this is as he was screaming about keeping the races separated, he couldn't even listen to himself in his own bedroom.
I guess you can call him the original Ted Haggard.
lovingit1000 2 years ago
@lovingit1000
Haha, Amen on that one...as you mention Ted Haggard I was getting ready to say Jimmy Swaggart but you nailed it right on the head lol!
As a Black person, I see past this mess. Great lessons to be learned as it is history, but we need to move forward. MLK stated we would be judged by the content of our character and not the color of our skin, and it should remain that way.
CazK88 2 years ago
I have noticed that racist white men seem to have a thing for sleeping with black women. It reminds me of that movie Monster's Ball. BB Thornton actually cares about the chick in the movie, but his dad is still super racist, and he makes a gross sexual comment about black women. This really racist white guy I know (he's in his 60's) cheated on his wife several times with a black woman, but he disowned his brother when he married a black woman.
xothegirlz 1 year ago
I agree.
I have some relatives originally from Cuba. And I heard before the Castro regime, when Cuba was a huge playground for rich Americans, so many of the Southern American males would go there and ask for the blackest prostitute available. This was during the time of Jim Crow, mind you.
lovingit1000 1 year ago
@lovingit1000
Well stated.
nolaeast 2 years ago
@CazK88 To be fair, Byrd renounced both the klan and segregation and has a fairly liberal voting record (though he's made some poorly chosen statements).
He seems to be a minority in this respect, however, as most other southern politicians and law enforcement who lived into the 80s and 90s tended to say they didn't regret anything or that they'd do the same things over again.
Examples are Selma Sheriff Jim Clark, MIss. Sen James Eastland, Miss. Gov Ross Barnett, and NC Sen. Jesse Helms.
toddsmitts 2 years ago
@toddsmitts
I am aware he renounced, but I wouldn't be bold to say he is a minority because of his views. Does that mean all former segregationists who changed their views became a minority themselves after they renounced?
I am sure others would feel that way. Hell, even today this closet racism still seems blatant. I am certain people didn't vote for President Obama because he was a Black man. But you take a survey, you will find people didn't vote for that "reason."
CazK88 2 years ago
I don't mean a "minority" in terms of race. The term minority actually means a portion in a group that is fewer in numbers than the majority.
And yes, there are, unfortunately, still people today who won't for an African-American. Check out Alexandra Pelosi's documentary "Right America: Feeling Wronged", where the House Speaker's daughter interviews many McCain supporters. I believe it's on youtube (in 6 to 10 parts)
toddsmitts 2 years ago
@toddsmitts
In addition that that video you are speaking on, I not only looked at that but also when the media interviewed people in West Virginia. You would find people who found it hard to find another reason not to vote for Obama. Of course they didn't want to be "blatant" about their reasoning, but it doesn't take an Einstein to read in between the lines. As they question his birth certificate and label him as an arab, are all apart of their game of scare tactics to incite fear. Unlucky!
CazK88 2 years ago
''It's hypocritical,'' said Joseph Lowery, co-founder and longtime head of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. ''It is all too typical of many white segregationists who were segregationists by day but quite integrationists at night.'' NY Times
MyRiseToHonor 2 years ago
He supported her throughout the years, sending her checks and cards and paying her college tuition, although her lawyer refused to allow her to say how much money he had given her over the years. While she was in college and he was governor, he would come by limousine to see her on campus. Ms. Williams was instructed to tell people she and the governor were family friends. Not many people believed them. NY Times
MyRiseToHonor 2 years ago
At the same time Mr. Thurmond was electrifying segregationist rallies with statements like, ''all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes,'' he was taking his hidden daughter into his home, in this case the governor's mansion. True to the spirit of the days, she came through the back door. NY Times
MyRiseToHonor 2 years ago
Strom Thurmond was still a South Carolina senator in 2003, when he died in office. South Carolina repeatedly reelected this man and his passion against black people well into the 21st century.
If he had not died in 2003, there is not reason why he would not continue to represent the view of South Carolina today.
Username2322 2 years ago
U2, from the NY Times! Later in life, he changed his views, hiring many blacks to work in his office and supporting a national holiday honoring the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. All along the way, he supported black colleges -- and one student in particular. Ms. Williams, who studied at the all-black South Carolina State College and went on to become a teacher, described a warm but confusing relationship with her father.
MyRiseToHonor 2 years ago
which is why he kept his daughter in the closet by paying her off until his death. After running for President on the single issue of the suppression and segregation of an entire race of human beings based on the color of their skin. After rallying hundreds of thousands of angry, racist Americans to speak out forcefully against the equal treatment of the Negros and to match that anger with a vote.
What a great man.
Username2322 2 years ago
U#, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. Point is, his daughter didn't know till later on who her father was! She never spoke I'll of him, and he obviously was man enough to take care of his own while financially providing for her and allowing her in his professional work place! Hypocrisy is what you should be addressing if you think highly of how he publicly portrayed himself. Behind closed doors, he wasn't that man! Sheep will be sheep though, and he politically capitalized on that.
MyRiseToHonor 2 years ago
He 100% believed in the statement of this video. You can not do enough in your later life to make up for running for Leader of the free world on the single issue of suppression and subjugation of other human beings because of their skin color.
And even if he tried, Thurmond never, ever recanted his statements nor did he have a voting record supporting minority rights. He was a racist his whole life, and he fathered a baby with the maid then paid hush money to save face. These are facts.
Username2322 2 years ago
U2, ok, ummmm whatever. Maybe his daughter is an Uncle Tom or a House Nigga or something! Nothing new, there are plenty running around these days! Putting a child through college and supporting them is hush money huh? Having said child come to your office in plain view of other whites is hush money huh? Everyone has a right to their opinion I guess.
MyRiseToHonor 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Strom is the ultimate leader in SC. I wish his courage would spread throughout SC again. Do Vndice, for those educated enough to knwo what that means. The rest of you, who cares?
SinandSatan 2 years ago
Strom is also related to Al Sharpton. They both share the same relative of William Thurmond.
Ariamaluum 2 years ago
"The sad part 4 me is that his daughter had no respect for the Black part of her. She sold her silence for the outspoken Bigot! Did she ever release a book? Nothing she have said could convince me that He Loved HERSELF! Again SADD!"
lrhetta 2 years ago 2
What an evil, closed minded, ignorant individual. Thurmond represents the worst that America has to offer. His demise made the world a better place.
chansetwo 2 years ago
chancetwo? Maybe you should consider joining Strom. Then you can also make the world better. What say? Give it a try. I suggest strangulation, but whatever floats your boat.
SinandSatan 2 years ago
strom thurmond was a great american.. what he said about what would happen to the public schools in the South after desegregation ,was exactly correct. it ruined the schools here in the South, too students going to school now who don't care
ORIOLES403 2 years ago
Won't admit the nigra race into his home?
I bet he wasn't saying that when he was tapping that black ass a few years before. Fucking hypocrite, the man fathers a beautiful black daughter who he then DENIES right...
To then run for president years later and say shit like this.
My generation isn't a bunch of saints but these people were really pathetic.
thiscantbesustained 2 years ago 20
@thiscantbesustained come on dude - times change - people change... this is simply a reflection of A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH - BLACKS INCLUDED! there were MANY prominent black figures whom AT THE TIME - thought it was best that the races have their own shit - which basically is how it is now... black people get to use all resources and shit white people "own", AND they get their own shit too! Strom was simply trying to save his political career - he DID support him and put her thru school
chestermolester33 1 year ago
@thiscantbesustained He's also a pedophile, the girl was 15!
zulukline 7 months ago in playlist Topical II
@zulukline he was 21 or something like that, so he was nasty, but not a pedophile.
tranurse 5 months ago
@tranurse but the girl was 15... isn't that under the age of consent?
zulukline 5 months ago
@zulukline i don't know what it was in the 1920's
tranurse 5 months ago
@thiscantbesustained I do not agree with what he said at all, but keep in mind that his mind set is his culture. It is difficult to not be what is ingrained into you from childhood. I would not say he is pathetic, just wrong. During his time many people had his attitude, but attitudes can change, and they have. This is coming from a 17 year old kid from South Carolina going to a school with roughly 50/50 black and white people.
CJmate8 7 months ago
i still like when trent lott was giving a speech at strom's going away party, or something. anyway, he made some comment about how if strom would have won in '48, we never would have hd the civil rights movement, and things would have been better. when he said that, even strom, as addled as he was by then, even looked up at him, as if to say, you can't say that.
tranurse 2 years ago
Strom has a black childO.o
seeking911 2 years ago
Didn't Strom Thurmond moderate his views as time went on??
suryavajra 3 years ago
no he switched to the republican party because the liberal branch of the Democratic party gained more power, and they were pro- civil rights. he died a segregationist to the end.
VikramOG 3 years ago 3
Not during any time in his career when he was relevant. Dude was OVER SIXTY when he was helping Barry Goldwater run against LBJ to prevent the coming of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
In a word, no.
ZeroXcuses 2 years ago
He moderated them by simply stating that he was fighting for the over all issue of states rights which is written as the
10th amendment in the Constitution and by stating that at that time that integration was a valid concern of Southern states which I agree with. The fed only makes things worse when they intervene. More violence and more controversy.
coydiddy 2 years ago
But didn't he father a child with a black "girl"? What a hypocrite.....
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SinandSatan 3 years ago
You're a fuckin moron.
Heaven? You'll be in hell with Strom you racist POS.
rapiscrap09 2 years ago
Strom Thumond molested a 14 year old black child.
DEKMAN99 3 years ago
Now we got Haley Barbour
12Annuanki12 3 years ago
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SinandSatan 3 years ago
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TennesseeOwnsMyBones 2 years ago
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TennesseeOwnsMyBones 2 years ago
Strom Thurmond supported one type of integration, white dick and black pussy.
Burn in hell Strom !
xxShannonGreenxx 3 years ago
Strom is the MAN! I wish today's politicians had his backbone.
SinandSatan 3 years ago
No, Strom was no better than Ross Barnett, Lester Maddox, and Jim Eastland - they had the same backbone. Of course, back then we had literacy tests which, shall we say, changed the complexion of the voters.
bjobe1964 3 years ago
Hope won! the Strom Thurmond mindset is dying!
OBAMA/BIDEN 08!
EineNeueSchuhe 3 years ago
how come there can be black schools, but not white schools?
julioklj8 3 years ago 8
I know, right? If I wanted to start a white college like the blacks have theirs, the country would flip a shit - today anyway
2001ricerocket 3 years ago 2
You Dumb Fuck!!!! This man is one of the reasons black people had to find their own colleges. Black people were not alowed to attend other colleges for a long time. use you common since if you have any.
hkris7 3 years ago
They weren't allowed to attend because they weren't wanted - and they were forced in, by federal troops. That's the main reason. And the southern school remain effectively segregated by choice, so it was pretty much all for nothing.
bjobe1964 3 years ago
Yeah, why don't you try starting a United White College Fund or an NAAWP? You'll find out that the legs of the lame are not equal.
bjobe1964 3 years ago 2
@julioklj8 Because some people are misguided as to how racism shoud be combatted and/or they are hypocrites..
numinouslayers 1 year ago
@julioklj8 There are...just open your eyes.
jerrynuevo 1 year ago
@julioklj8 because, to put it lightly, you white people screwed up royally.
brwnandfriendly 1 year ago
@julioklj8 Lots of schools get called black schools becuz that is how whites view them since they may have a lot of blacks in them not necessairly becuz they have a policy to exclude whites out? This country was built on white supremacy culture and whites on a general basis would reguate blacks into certain areas or schools that whites would label black. Those schools werent called black schools to keep white people out they were called blacks schools to keep black people in.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@julioklj8 I always find questions like yours to be disingenious. Why dont whites complain about how unfair it is that indians got put in their own indian reservations but whites dont get put into their own white reservations.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
Where did you find this video ? Into a documentary ?
anavarro747 3 years ago
I fucking hate talking about race, it always brings violence and flaming. If race wasn't such a fucking big issue, America could focus more on Social Order and Economic Repair.
IAMASTRONGMAN 3 years ago
In my 53 years on this planet I have learned that people are personal (ego-centric), they are tribal, and above all, they are sexual, which trumps being personal and tribal. In other words, people will still have sex with those whom they personally despise or view as racially hostile or inferior. Sigh, such is our nature.
markjaws1 3 years ago
Which proves that we are still animals at heart. And I not saying that in a negative way either. It is just what we are at our core.
FlatulenceFox 3 years ago
Was he segregated on top of his maid?
Olatunje 3 years ago
Truth is the whole sleeping with maid was not as uncommon as conventional wisdom would have you think. People have been fucking each other in South before slavery ended, during segregation, and even until today. Yes, he was a hypocrite, but, hey, he was a politician. Are we all damn 4 year olds out there? What do you expect from the average politician?
FlatulenceFox 3 years ago
where's his daughter
MsChissa 3 years ago
I am not certain. But I think she is living in Washington state. Anyway, she is like 85 or 86 years old now.
FlatulenceFox 3 years ago 2
Times do change. Just imagine that speech today, he wouldn't stand a chance of winning a spot on the high school student council, much much less the presidency of the united states
bernlin2000 3 years ago
what an ignorant bastard. goes to show how incredibly stupid the people of South Carolina are..."yeah he sounds like a good governor let's vote for him"
FeatheredAndLethal 3 years ago
That's a very broad generalization. Different time, different place. Don't hate.
BanieParrish 3 years ago
Umm...no not a "different time, different place" he remained a Senator in South Carolina until 2003.
Y2ANJ 3 years ago
Yes, but Strom Thurmond was known for catering to the views of his constituents and changed his views accordingly... that's why he stuck around for so long (not because of his views on race). When he ran for President, he was a member of the Dixiecrat party. After he lost, he switched over to the Democratic party and eventually the Republican party. The views of one man 60 years ago should not be a reflection on the people of South Carolina today.
BanieParrish 3 years ago
No, those feelings were heartfelt. The thing is those views and policies were wrong then as they were wrong now. Having relatives who were living at that time under segregation, I can attest for them that those were more than views he was espousing. And people's views from that time had to change only because (thank God) overt racism became stigmatized. His private views probably never really changed. But his public views had ot be different for his political survival.
FlatulenceFox 3 years ago
I'm from SC and let me say, I certainly have never supported Strom Thurmond or his ignorant policies, but so many people here have. That's one of the big reasons this state sucks politically. Too many nutty conservatives screw up everything. Just don't assume everyone has supported him, it's simply not true.
ryssryss 3 years ago
I think what he is referring to is "forced integration," which, of course, will not work. Usually it was "forced" back then: crammed down the throats of a resentful Southern people by the all-knowing federal government. Voluntary integration, however, in which all parties desire it will work.
bjobe1964 3 years ago
And liberals don't screw up? Hahahaha! Your an idiot!
Your the ignorant one here. You have to realize this was a different time for our country. Im sure there are people that still think like that,but they won't act on their beliefs in this day in time.
ReptileRanger719 3 years ago
Still a hypocrite. If you really hate someone you wouldn't even want to touch them.
Alize101586 3 years ago
Still a hypocrite. If you really hate someone you wouldn't even want to touch them.
Alize101586 3 years ago 2
Well, he couldn't have thought that bad of them. To go as far as sleeping with a person of a race that he supposedly HATES says a lot. He's a hypocrite. Plain and simple.
Alize101586 3 years ago
Well, he couldn't have thought that bad of them. To go as far as sleeping with a person of a race that a race he supposedly HATES says a lot. He's a hypocrite. Plain and simple.
Alize101586 3 years ago 3
I don't know u still have racism in your soul, but i'LL tell this; you'll never bring segregation back!
puertoricantruepoet2 3 years ago
This guy was totally frontin'. Talking about segregation and then goes and sleeps with a black woman. Oh, but it gets better. The woman gets pregnant by him so now he has a mixed daughter! If that's not a paradox. I don't know what is.
Alize101586 3 years ago 2
If Obama wins big today, which it seems like he will, Cindy McCain should begin shopping for drapes and wall paper for the White House.
nighthauke 3 years ago
JohnMichaels20: sounds as if you think Obama isn't fit to be President merely because he is black. Do you want Strom to keep "nigras" out of the White House, too?
MelanieNLee 3 years ago
Huh??? That made absolutely no sense. Who is 'you people'? I thought THAT was a racist slur
mattthetodd 4 years ago
you nationalists, of any race, make me sick
LexingtonWells 4 years ago
I'm not a nationalist. That's your interpretation, not mine. You're automatically assuming that because I don't see Nazi Germany being the same as Thurmond's political campaign in the US being similar makes me 'evil'. I'm more surprised that you haven't resorted to the typical ad hominem 'white trash' and 'yo momma didn't treat you right' childish insults
mattthetodd 4 years ago
i know enough to know that the ones who blame nazi germany most are often most like them
LexingtonWells 4 years ago
Blame Nazi Germany??? I blame Nazi Germany for starting WWII in Europe, yes, just as I blame them for murdering 6 millions jews. I, being an American, know my own history and know that segregation and the Holocaust are different.
Besides, if I were a nationalist, wouldn't I denied Hitler murdered 6 million jews?
mattthetodd 4 years ago
There were other issues besides race. Had Thurmond been President instead of that idiot Harry Truman, America would've won the Korean War. Strom would let MacArthur do his job. North Korea's a thorn in our side to this very day as a result. Thanks alot, Harry! If only ...
mikecleona 4 years ago
He might have had other issues besides race, but race was his main platform which is why he didn't win. How can you support someone who speaks one thing and does another? He believed in segreation but had a baby with a black woman? And he clearly had a problem with just African Ameicans because he would have protested against more than one race. I guess your hero must have believed in intergration at least once.
Jalyse07 4 years ago
"That a white man OUGHT to hobnob with a Negro because otherwise he would not be Christian or unselfish involves a flagrant assumption of superiority. The Negro, if he is not a fool, loves his own inspiration and expands in the society of his own people. Vital liberty differentiates. Only vacant freedom leaves all in the same anonymous crowd." -- George Santayana, 'Dominations and Powers'
neothomist1275 4 years ago
But of course it was all in the name of "state's right" so it was for a good cause (rolls eyes).
Scotty7617 4 years ago
actually, it was unconstitutional of the Civil Rights to force employers and businesses to hire people they didn't want to. HOWEVER, yes, the only constitutional part was denying someone the right to vote.
mattthetodd 4 years ago
Then this should show, no constitution is perfect.
LexingtonWells 4 years ago
You're talking about affirmative action. That's a completely different matter from Civil Rights. The Civil Rights Acts never forced anyone to hire minoities. It just ended required racial segregation.
Scotty7617 4 years ago 3
It's like a Nuremberg rally with an American twist.
JensLindgren 4 years ago
I don't see the comparison. Where are the six million blacks that were gassed? Were white americans forced to say 'heil, thurmond'?
mattthetodd 4 years ago
No, but many of the the people in this vid probably agreed with the nazis on a number of racial issues.
toddsmitts 2 years ago
I've heard so many say "everyone was extremely racist back in the late 40's". And while they may be subtly racist, Strom Thurmond only got 2% of the vote. Dewey did not speak on civil rights, and America knew Truman was in strong support of it. AND TRUMAN WON. Dewey got 45%. So not many cared that much about segregation. If they did, Thurmond would govern the country until '56.
Cooman456 4 years ago
he has some nice looking sons
morosis 4 years ago