The Fraud of Turin

[Dectheboner]

And here we have a man that knows the truth. WOW!

[Thug4zim]

omg u have this all wrong mate. usually I agree with u. The point is that like the way you make a picture on a film. You need to have the correct combination of light an material. I dont need 2000 years to make a picture now do I? It is ppossible that with divine intervention or dare I say "superior technology" its is plausible that the shroud is real. The sons of Levi in the third book of moses (Leviticus) were given knowledge by god to build the arch of the covenant.

YOUR REASONING IS SILLY!!

[Johnnys627]

we could just agree to lack the understanding on how something like this could of happened, because even now people arent very sure on how it could be madesure icould thinkof somechemical reactions but i think yourhating on yourself that you cant understandingor accept the possibility of something that extents outside of your own understanding... sounds a bit like a god complex. but then againim not yet a psychologiststillyour lack offaithhumilitydoesnt prove muchsave ignorances in some respects

[Melissa19950227]

excuse me Mr ChucksterOLove i have no problem with you ranting about stuff you belive or dont as long as you dont insult my religion i am a catholic and proud of it but i wont insult other faiths nor try to shove my belifes down their throats i mean i completly disagree with what your saying but im not going to sit and argue with someone & completly disrespect and bash your belifs i wont insult you or anyting but please try to show a little respect for other ppls faiths

please and thankyou

[heywatsupf]

Dude are you serious?

Are you really that dumb?

Tell me how can a dead person after 2000 years been folded in a shroud, possibly have his face printed on the shroud, 3D!?

It just makes no sense, how come fraud scientist can't duplicate another one as the shroud of Turin?

The Holy Bible says that Jesus is the light.

Even the scientist said that it needed to be a super light to plant Jesus face, it's obvious.

[DasWaldkind1]

Picknett and Prince's “Turin Shroud” & Knight and Lomas' “The Second Messiah” state that it is in fact the shroud in which Jacques de Molay, the final Grand Master of the Knights Templar, was wrapped when he was tortured (in a mock re-enactment of the crucifixion) by the French royal torturer; and that the Shroud was seen as affirming deMolay’s Messianic status to followers of Joachim of Fiora ... hence the Church’s decision to distance itself from the relic. (Steven Mizrach: Prieure of Sion )

[Porphyrygrampus]

@DasWaldkind1 Everything to do with the Prieuré de Sion has been disproved as the work of 20th century hoaxers from France. But then it's clear from your channel that you are a sucker for esoteric frauds like the Gospel of the Holy Twelve and those pseudo-Essene sects...

Unfortunately for you, de Molay was not crucified (which would have been a blasphemy for the Church) but burned at the stake in Paris, as anyone can check on Wikipedia. But he is a hero-figure for many freemasons, hence books...

[Porphyrygrampus]

ChucksterOLove or Huckster...

We're waiting for some facts on the Shroud and the US scientists who spent thousands of man hours investigating it (the Shroud of Turin University Research Project), instead we get smear tactics worthy of Pravda and vituperation without logical argument.

[Porphyrygrampus]

YOU:"Three days is not enough time " but "2000 years would be enough". So produce your proofs. Where are the Shrouds 2000 years old that show such incredible images?

As you've obviously heard of the Resurrection, you are being devious enough to fail to link the Resurrection with the Shroud as a potential cause that would fit in with the "whole history of Xianity".

Oh, and get a new facial character! Sadly that face of yours speaks volumes on your character and degree of honesty.

[arkansasbean]

LOL!!! You are ignorant about the shroud. It has been proven real. I noticed that you had 0 evidence for it being false, you started out bashing it as a child would so no doubt you know no science of, well...anything to do with the shroud or christianity. Also, I am a christian and I will speak to you about the shroud as you calim no one will do..do you accept??? We can put the shroud history to rest scientifically.

[devdarkpie]

you dont let people post how are we supposed to have debate.

[ariesmajor]

The shroud of turin is an idol, you need no idols to worship god, you need only follow the 10 commandments and work towards making the earths wildlife and habitat fruitful, and preserve the beasts of the field.

These are the only commands that god has given, yet people have gone astray from the simple thing that is life, to instead pursue idols, and prophets, and those things not spoken from god, so as to cause war amongst themselves, and put themselves above god.

[beesh2180]

Wow, the facts really were presented against the Shroud in this video. If you'd said "the story of christianity negates the possibility of the Shroud blah blah blah ..." just a few more times, i actually might have believed you. Now, about the facts... Oh, there weren't any.

[MrMasterofmusic]

Hey Kiddo, I'm fucking 46 retired Military, so do not interject your bullshi to me unless you wish to do so to my face, which will not happen, Fuck Religions and you too. Zeoitgiest? what he fuck kind of bullshit do you watch? I stated what is in History books, not your fantsay fucking bullshit, be careful MOUTH..

[unordinaryone1]

I think theres some reasonable evidence that it may really be the face of jacques de molay, (check it if ya wana ) which would still make it an important artifact . Dont really know what to make of it all in entirety .Maybe its not all about the sandles or mangling metaphor in to litteral truth . . . False tricksies .....Hope they get sunburn . ....

[ClutchMaster14]

you lack info. you dont want there to be a God. if someone gave you true facts and concrete evidence i gareentee you wouldnt beileve but whatever we all have a free will of choice so i respect your opinion.

[MrMasterofmusic]

Their were 15 people crucified and resurrected before this ass hole Jesus Christ ever came on the seen, yes 15 other from Rah to whoever The exact same story, all born to a Virgin, all had 12 Deciples and all died and rose on the third day, the Catholic's after the fact of Christ Jesus Canonized the book to stop these nut case peole from trying to fulfill or "self" fulfill a book from the Tora pure and simple...

[TURKIYE5150]

@MrMasterofmusic yea let me guess you obtained this "knowledge" from the zeitgeist or what i call the 4th reich..even so jesus christ is different from all the others because Christ was God in the flesh

[MrMasterofmusic]

Right On Dude, If these Moron's actually "read" their own Fantasy Book it tell's in 4 books an many chapters that his face was not recognizable period! Jewish tradition is right there as to how his body was attended to, they wrapped it into "many strips" of cloth, see box above

[Jhartsock123]

Your doing the same thing that everyone on youtube does, preaching your opinion. We don't need to hear the same nonsense. Keep it to yourself, Christians will be what they are, and atheists will be aswell. The only way to change is within yourself.

[mystisme]

chuckster the impreignatation could be only done only 2 hours cause the body is hot only 2 hours after the body is to cold to do anychemical reation,seconddly the face and body is to perfect put peint on your face than put a white coton you wont be able to see the contor of your eyes as the shroud show thissome of my arguement

[williamnye1]

I'm not religious, but you have no argument here....In fact, you argue their side better than your own. The whole point of their argument is that 3 days is not enough time to make the picture, that is the miracle...You could have done this video in 2 seconds and just said "i don't believe in miracles"...that's all you said, you provided no facts or anything. You wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with someone that knew anything about the shroud.

[DeanCo7777]

You're so far behind on your facts here. Have you not seen "The Real Face of Jesus?" on the History Channel? Or the "Fabric of Time."? Catch up. The picture was imprinted when the resurrection power hit his body. One physicist thinks it is was energy similar to the Big Bang, which is pretty much what Romans 10 says in first century language. It didn't take three days to make the image. It took a fraction of a second. Hardly mindless when the best scientist can't duplicate or explain it.

[HOODYWOODRECORDS]

A few more factoids (its in their Bible)

1 when Jesus died he did not have a beard( Isaiah 50:6)

2 in their Bible it says that "it is a shame on to a man to have long hair( Corinthians 11:14) Jesus did not have long hair.

3 John 20:6, and John11:44, and,luke 24:12, and Lazarus in John 11 it clearly stats that he was wrapped in two separate cloths one for the face and other for the body!

[MrZetterlund777]

@HOODYWOODRECORDS

His head wasn't wrapped seperately, it was bound with a napkin. No one would wrap a napkin around the head and the body in another cloth. That would just look silly. The napkin was found seperate from the main cloth after the ressurection. There is a strip of linen on theside of the Shroud that ws probably used to bind the body. And the Shroud shows connections to the Sudarium of Oviedo, which would be the napkin that bound His head.

[ReedOfBalm]

In the bible it states that it is a shame for men

to have long hair. That alone is enough to prove

the Shroud of Turin a fake.

[usucmehardutube]

I think the idea is that a burst of radiation would leave a photo negative image like that. It has nothing to do with his flesh staining the fabric. If it is a fraud it has been very hard to disprove. No one has been able to replicate it.

[booniesman88]

You took 5 minutes to say the same thing over and over. you say that three days is inadequate, but you offer no evidence to support it. I guess i should take what you say on "faith". later tator

[MrZetterlund777]

Such a RETARD. I think we're being too madest about the Shroud. The image was created by an accelerated dehydration and oxidation of the top linen fibrils of the cellulose fibers. Proving the ressurection. YOur IGNORANCE fails miserably.

[starkums]

@MrZetterlund777 LOL!!!

[MrZetterlund777]

@starkums I misspelled "modest" -_-

[Link3618andLiquid]

Judgement Day will come and it will be to late to repent...

[UBTUNE]

Hi again. Just wanted to repeat that Saint Paul was like u.

[TheOnlyTrueGoodGod]

Some claim that the image was created at the moment that life was flashed back into Jesus.

See? With the use of miracles, ANYTHING can happen!

My belief is that someone painted the image on the cloth. And the miracle is that some belief it was caused by God.

[booniesman88]

sorry scientist proved that there isn't any paint or pigments on the cloth.

[TheOnlyTrueGoodGod]

@booniesman88 Don't you think an image can be "painted" using singe techniques. Did singe painting exist? Yes - for thousands of years. No pigment needed. Is the "painting" described as a singe? Yes. Like I meant to say; "The only miracle here is the "miracle" that people believe that God did it." Whatever firms up your soft-minded theology. The grasping at imaginary straws demonstrates insecurity in the underlying faith.

[booniesman88]

@TheOnlyTrueGoodGod the problem with your theory is that any artist that would have "painted" the shroud would have done so with the intent to sell it or to use it as a form of fraud that would bring worshippers to a specific area thus generating funds to the area from pilgrams.

[booniesman88]

@booniesman88 That being said they would want the image to be visable and not a barley distinguishable image, they would also make the image lifelike, which would not have produced a photo grade negative image, nor would it have any 3D qualities. I would suggest that you refrain from having adult discussions in the future, your digression to insults only reaffirms that you have no knowledge of the subject matter.