Just shows that St. John, when writing in Revelation chapter 17 and 18, was right when he called the false Christian religion the Mother of Harlots. Catholicism is definitly the Mother and all the Protestant groups that came out of her are her harlot daughters. Because she is the mother OF harlots.
At least the catholic ask foregiveness. The Turk mongolian fashists have not seeked forgives for illegally occupying North Cyprus, Eastern Thrtace Asia minr or the genocide on the Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians, Anglo-French-Italians-Germans, Kurds. Arabs and Georgians, Russians, Serbs, Bulgars and Romanians
It's quite interesting that the other Christians are striving so very hard to avoid the truth that this happens just about as frequently in Protestantism as well. They'll talk so long about minor, insane differences in the sick fantasies they imagine are true. It's much like the Catholics used to try to say it was a US thing rather than a global thing. Sure...now it's a Catholic thing rather than a Christian thing.
Religion is like a penis. It's ok to have one. It's fine to be proud of it. But... please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around. And Please don't try to shove it down my kids throats.
What I find truly amazing apart from the globalized phenomenon of child rape, sodomy and sexual abuse by catholic priests everywhere is that the catholic followers themselves have not yet spiritually awakened themselves to the fact that their catholic church was never ever a christian church in the first place. If they are sufficiently awake to read the bible themselves, they would have seen that their church's doctrines and practices are almost always totally opposite to what the bible teaches.
Why do they keep saying "Theee church?" There is no "theee church," except in mind/fantasies of their own sect. Othodox do not call them "theee church," nor other religions. Converts are from "third world," but "first world," falls away (with education, resources to question and read Bible). They believe their own self press on no one else existing is all. No "theee" anything. Such indoctrination, hubris, arrogance, might be what is making these priests think they can rape people!
North Wisconsin, they sent him to??? That used to be a really nice Lutheran area! They should have to stay where they are, maybe, instead of going to other areas! Children not involved in the RCC and kept away from it could be harmed also, if they are sent to heavily non-catholic areas!! That's just not right. (Not that abuse is ok, imo, anyway---but it's something others have always protested, not just starting to protest it now!) Others left RCC years ago! 500 years ago!
St Georges College in Harare Zimbabwe is a Roman Catholic institution where extreme physical abuse was going on under the watchful eye of Priests and Jesuit Brothers- and the abuse is probably going on there to this very day.
The college is also associated with the St Georges College and Salesian College in Surrey, England, and I bet the whole abuse scandal is being kept very very secretive. It's another Vatican secret that needs to be exposed...
Catholic school was a place where all you learned was how worthless and stupid you were. Your role in life is to take the abuse. And if you cried they'd just enjoy hurting you even more. FUCK the church.
@mindstormsabrewin Jesuits created "Liberation Theology" to incite S. Americans to hate "anglos" (protestants in america) & opened border to ensure they would come in Hart-Celler Act. Also they imposed Vat II on protestants in U.s. who DID NOT WANT IT, and then blamed protestants FOR VAT II. INSANE! They made up Vat II, but said it was protestant liberalizing!! It is very twisted. Like they do things and blame people when it is obviously originating with them!! What to do?
@mindstormsabrewin If you look into the immigration in u.s., the romanization of the u.s. and overthrow of constitution for a military empire like rome in olden days is clearer. They were involved in Hart-Cellar Act (which opened the borders to tens of millions of lower class catholics). and many other policies. Also, "theee" church harbors illegal catholics many times. But the agenda is to change america into a welfare tax-collection military state 4 catholics.
@westchesterny well, look into the u.s. immigration debate, which is all about opening the border to Romanize and catholicize the u.s. About 50 million catholics were brought in or more in just the past 50 years. this is why /how it became an "empire country' versus the constitution which has been co-opted by the catholics, (to create an "empire" government, like the old roman empire.) They drove policies for this in u.s. It was hugely a protestant country, not now.
Respond to this video... Also, many protestants in America did not worry much over catholicism until the 60s. There just really were not that many until the Civil War (around the same time as the Irish potato famine.) The famine was avoidable, but many came to u.s. then fought for the union army to federalize the country. They have a strange history in this way, in the u.s. The union army in u.s. was half foreign born, a fact that many people do not know, but is highly document
MORE ON THE HISTORY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ABUSE AND TORTURE IN IRELAND.
The UN Committee against Torture (UNCAT) has found that an independent inquiry should be conducted into what went on in the Catholic run Magdalene Laundries in Ireland. Where there was rampant physical, psychological and sex abuse of the women incarcerated there. These abuses were carried out by Catholic priests and Catholic nuns. They were held for life there, without trial or justice. Rome Rule in Catholic Ireland!!
I don't think there is any other way to respond to the sex abuse cases and subsequent cover-ups with anything but moral outrage. However, your presentation of Catholic theology is a strawman, and based on your other videos, I think you know that. Also, I don't beleive the information presented here about the instituitional response (including Pope Benedict XVI) is objective.
The Catholic church is such a dangerous place for children. I'm amazed that no one else talks about what you've talked about, and that this isn't new. It's been going on for hundreds of years.
It still hasn't stopped in 2011, and the Catholic followers don't care enough about it to make it a big deal.
@tweethang1 the worst thing is there are still fans who would willingly take out their eyes and testicles to defend such a corrupted and incogruent instutition and ask forgiveness to this sexual predators "because they are seduced by the children" and that "they don't know what thy're doing in their purity and inocence" such people is capable of obstructing justice ven if their children were abused
Here's more on YT ... Jehovah's Witness Spiritual Shepherds Sex Abuse 1/3 and Christian corruption on C Street. Why is it when it comes to SEXUAL immorality Christians are most like ly to fall? Don't blame em fellas---for since the beginning GOD created man and woman NAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEED ... (rofl) Besides this watch: SEX PORN IN BIBLE on YT.
When I watch horrible documentaries like these, I just can't help myself utter that nasty 4 letter word (though I HATE to say it here goes ...) FUCK you CATHOLICS!!!!! Myyyy .... what a relief! Can I say that again for one last time? FUCK you CATHOLICS!!!!! Not to mention every other licentious Christian on religiouchildabuse(dot)blogspot(dot)com ... go visit the link CHRISTIANS! When it comes to CORRUPTION and IMMORALITY you really have somethin in common with your "MUM" isn't it? Looooooool
Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works". "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)
The main problem here is that the roman catholic "church" is the only organization that has offered peverts of every stripe and pedophiles in particular a career, protection and access to children. Over time this has led to more and more perverts being attracted to the Church.
In 2001, while he was a cardinal, the pope issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety. The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.
People confuse catholicism with Christianity. They are not the same. If you look at what the catholic organisation teaches and believes and compare that to the BIble, you will see the two are in direct opposition!
My view of it is that Child sacrifice has ALWAYS been a part of RCC worship. SEXUAL abuse is a way to "sacrifice" a childs soul without leaving a dead body.
The RCC priests in Croatia served as officers in the Ustase Army during WWII. The NAZIs were appalled at their ruthlessness and "stepped" on them. 25000 children would have been better off being sent to NAZI death camps. NAZIS would have GASSED them before they tossed them into the ovens. Ustase priest burned them alive.... MOLECH anyone?
@loggerbuck Child sacrifice has never been a part of RC worship.
However sex abuse is murder of a soul as you indicate. It has been done on an individual basis, with multiple abusers & in ritualistic modes. All obviously serving Satan; all having nothing to do with the Mass itself.
The horror of what was done by Ustashi in Croatia is beyond words, & served Satan.
@loggerbuck What you fail to comprehend in your fanaticism, is that ALL early Christians believed in Transubstantiation - & thus the Eucharist - & all participated in the Mass. The precise form of the Mass varied; ditto for any terms describing it, its effects & the Eucharist.
This is historic fact & cannot be denied. Also this has absolutely nothing to do with 'Molech' or 'child sacrifice'.
That such may have been done by some clerics in another context is a different topic altogether.
I heard that often the priest is not a priest but a camuflated jewish born man that play that he is a priest in catholism.In catholism the priest is kind people like the pope.Often the priest that say that they have used their childs or other childs to sex is fathers to the childs they say they have used,and the child get millions of dollar from the catholic church because they are used.Then the camuflated jew have plagued the catholism as he planned and stealed money from them to and get rich.
I heard that often the priest is not a priest but a camuflated jewish born man that play that he is a priest in catholism. In catholism the priest is kind people that live in celibat like the pope. Often the priest that say that they have used their childs or other childs to sex is fathers to th childs they say they have used, and the child get millions of dollar from the catholic church because they are used. Then the camuflated jew have plagued the catholism and stealed money from them to.
I heard that often the priest is not a priest but a camuflated jewish born man that play that he is a priest in catholism. In catholism the priest is kind people that live in celibat like the pope. Often the priest that say that they have used their childs or other childs to sex is fathers to th childs they say they have used, and the child get millions of dollar from the catholic church because they are used. Then the camuflated jew have plagued the catholism and stealed money from them to.
@19lfm12 Can you collaborate my research that shows RCC source:
200BC Cybele/Magna Mater brought to Rome from Phrygea (sp?) and placed in new temple on Vatican hill. Surgical Transexuals and child sacrifice practiced 'till 150AD.. child sacrifice outlawed. 200 AD new pontiff set scribes to writing/combined liturgy from Cybele Cult and Pauline Gnostic Cult => birth of the RCC. At same time they returned to child sacrifice EVERY MASS! Magna Mater disappeared from Vatican around 600 AD.
@loggerbuck Any direct & literal connection between what you are hinting at & the legitimate performance of valid Masses is nonsense.
You realize of course that the Apostles said Mass, as did their legitimate successors. The precise name & form of the rite used is irrelevant, as it varied. But all early Xtians believed in the Mass & Transubstantiation...the Eucharist.
@19lfm12 Also do you know anything about Simon the Sorcerer or Simon Magus of Acts. Some claim him the 'FIRST GNOSTIC" who went to Rome and became a great spiritual leader and a title of Petr... or ... SIMON PETER.... THE FIRST POPE.
@loggerbuck Peter the Apostle is not 'simon magus'. Nor was he a 'pope' as we now understand the term. As neither the title nor construct would be invented until centuries later. He is counted as the 'first pope' for the sake of numbering.
@19lfm12 Simon Peter Disciple of Jesus was not even the leader of the Disciples... James, Jesus earthly half brother, was the Bishop of Jerusalem I think... whom Peter deferred to. I've read that Simon Magus/Simon the Sorcerer of Chapter 8 of ACTS could be the Simon Peter (Petr was a title) the RCC refers to.
I am certain Simon Peter the fisherman was NEVER A POPE OF ANY SORT.
@loggerbuck Peter was most certainly the leader of the Apostles, as chosen by Christ. He is NOT the same person as Simon Magus. End of story.
Neither the title or what we now know as the office of 'pope' existed until atter the Council of Nicea in 325AD. Peter was thus not a 'pope', yet is numbered as if, for the sake of counting his successors (legitimate & not....).
@19lfm12 I DID NOT SAY PETER AND SIMON MAGUS WERE ONE AND THE SAME.
I'm saying that Simon Magus may have been the first pope. Some say he left the Holy land and ended up in Rome and became a very very influential spiritual leader with the title Petr given him.... he may have been the FIRST Gnostic. Roman Catholocism is very very very steeped in Gnosticism; so it does make some sense.
You are a committed Catholic I see. What does UPON THIS ROCK mean to you anyway?
@loggerbuck For the last time: there was no such thing as a 'pope' in the 1st century. Which of those words is confusing to you?
Peter is counted as 'the 1st pope' for the sake of numbering his successors. Get it?
SM is truly irrelevant, as are the minority of early Xtians who went off on tangents away from Christ. The REAL problem began at Nicea where the bishops connived with Constantine to make a state religion out of Christ's ekklesia.
@loggerbuck One would have to be blind to read you comments & NOT see you are positing Peter & SM as one & the same.
As to the 'gnostic' issue, that is a buzzword for the mentally dim. Impugning evil & occultism where it does not necessarily exist. It has been used to imply 'heresy' where it is not so.
@19lfm12 I am NOT Positing them as the same. I am saying that a fellow named Simon Magus or Simon the Sorcerer in Acts had a title of Petr. The same fellow earlier in Jerusalem Simon Peter and John rebuked for wanting to purchase the gift of the HS in Acts. Gnosticism in simple terms is Kabaalism with Jesus Jargon. Kabaalism is simply Babylonian Grove religion in Moses garb. The Jews brought it back from Babylon. Catholics got it by two paths Pauline Gnostic cults and Cybele worship.
The Vatican has been aware of rampant & systemic clerical sex abuse for at least 1000 years.
Look up:"Book of Gomorrah" by St. Peter Damian
He was a Cardinal, when all Cardinals were in Rome. His writing indicate in depth knowledge of wide spread abuse then. Thus the Vatican is lying when they claim 'we knew nothing".
@BVargas78 The priest abusers all underwent seminary training.Observed, evaluated, analyzed, counseled. They would not have been ordained if they were not 'approved of'.....by senior priests/seminary professors & the diocesan bishop. All of whom were members of 'friendly' to Opus Dei.
Thus they had the official 'stamp of approval' as being 'genuine Catholics.
@BVargas78 Usually paedophiles are men who do search for easy access to children. It;s interesting to note that in 2 out of every 3 cases of child molestation, the perpetrator/abuser is a person in that child's own family, usually the father, sometimes and uncle. So, if you want to keep an eye out for child molesters, better look closer to home. I dare anyone to challenege that fact. PS I'm not defending the actions of those scumbag priests. As a Catholic, I'm very angry, upset and embarassed.
@TenderTrap86 The Vatican has a known 1000 year history of clerical sex abuse. Fact.
We know from the documented cases that the priest abuser either tries to get close to the family for access to the kid, or the kid is alone & emotionally vulnerable (i.e orphan, boarding student).
Most abuse cases were not reported out of fear of the Church, so you have no way of knowing the true figures - but they are VASTLY more !
@19lfm12 There has been child sexual abuse going on for longe than that. And, not only the Catholic Church is guilty. The statistics day that married men are the most likely to be abusers and their victims are most likely their own children. It's because they have esay access to children. I dare you to challenge that.
@TenderTrap86 The 1st instance we know of where a Vatican official indicated awareness of systemic & wide-spread clerical sex abuse was some 1000 years ago.
There are NO such valid statistics, as the sample base is woefully incomplete: most Catholic clerical abuse was never reported. If it was it was ignored, the victim frightened away, paid off....and/ior law enforcement connived with bishops to make cases vanish.
I highly doubt this ambuguous statment. In 2009, alone, there weren't even 15 cases *reported* for the *entire year* in the *entire world*. That's reported or accussed, not guilty verdicts. Stop the senseless lying.
@TenderTrap86 I am personally aware of several newly reported cases within the past year in a major US Archdiocese, concealed from the media. More are being uncovered all the time.
Thousands of victims never spoke up out of fear of the Church. If they did they were threatened & intimidated by clerics AND law enforcement (who were in the bishops' pockets). This was true in Ireland & the US. Sadly many victims went to their graves without telling their story.
@TenderTrap86 ...typical tactics of projection & psychological manipulation.
You would not say such things if you had bothered to read the Ryan & Fearns Reports; or even a sampling of the abuse stories in the US. Or noticed the trails of abuser priests, brothers & nuns sent from Ireland to the US, to teach in US schools & parishes. And to abuse again.
@19lfm12 I know about both reports. I'm refuting the rediculous statements that you made that you personally know of more abuse that's being covered up. You can't lie like that.
@TenderTrap86 No - you do not 'know both reports'. You could not possibly truly have faith in God, read them (which you have not) & say as you do. You do not believe there was any abuse; that the victims are all lying - out for money & publicity.You believe the clergy are a priviledged caste, with powers & perks above mere mortals.
You go far beyond the mere Denial afflicting most Catholics....
@19lfm12 *I do beleive that the abuse happened*. I don't know what I've said that makes you think otherwise. I don't believe clergy are above the law. I do believe that there have been and are victims who are suffering terribly because of priest who abused them. I deny nothing accept the lies you perpetrate.
@TenderTrap86 No - you have already made statements very clearly indicating that you personally support the deification of the Catholic clergy & hierarchy. You have clearly tried to minimize the extent of the abuse, and have overtly supported the bishops who approved of & enabled the abuse. Including Ratz.
Your false compassion for the victims is mere rhetoric; quite transparently false.
@TenderTrap86 No - what you did was to try to minimize it & sweep it under the rug, just like Bishop Wilton-Dearest:) Let's pretend "it's all over'....deny....minimize...blame shift....use projection. You did all that: the Opus Dei tactic.
You have no clue how many new, yet to be reported cases, are ' in the works'. In the hands of attorneys & private investigators.
@TenderTrap86 Very clever.....in other words, you only believe that which the bishops will openly admit to. Only those which the bishops have allowed to be prosecuted.
That does NOT include all the THOUSANDS of cases which they paid for the victims' silence. Or when an Opus Dei judge threw the case out on a flimsy technicality. Or cooperate KOC cops intentionally misfiled. Or the vast number NEVER reported out of fear of the Catholic Church's power!
@TenderTrap86 For all practical purposes, the KOC is virtual Catholic Blue Lodge Masonry. There is no point in try to deny or make pitiful excuses for it. It IS Masonic in form & intent.
Opus Dei is the Anti-Gospel, as it venerates Mammon. It is a higher, Ecclesiastical Masonry - in form, structure & deed.
Neither is of Christ. And both are antithical to the Gospel.
@TenderTrap86 Indeed Masonry is condemned. Yet there is duplicity in this, as it exists. One one hand we have the pretense of condemnation & the convenient guise of 'anti-catholic sentiment' in the Lodge. All a ruse via useful idiots. So is the compartmentalization.
Yet the KOC are overtly Masonic in nature & mode, as is OD. Hiding in plain sight, just like a regular Masonic Lodge in main street. A clever game is being played.
@19lfm12 You're misguided perception that the Knight and Opus Dei are Masonic is untrue. You don't even know who they are, do you? Stop reading Dan Brown and pick up an encyclopedia. history is a lotmore objective.
@TenderTrap86 The KOC were founded as Catholic Masonry...while at the same time pretending not to be Masons, despite having the same titles, ceremonial elements,elitism, etc. It is a spiritual fraud.
Opus Dei has been correctly cited almost from its inception as Ecclesiastical Freemasonry by honest clerics who investigated it. It is in the same mode of elitism, secrecy, duplicity & control as the regular Lodge. And more then a few members of one are part of the other.....
@TenderTrap86 The refutation of papal infallibility is given in the logical observation of church history. In the Gospels. And in the understanding of the key principle of Spiritual Coherence;
It would simply be incoherent - in light of papal history - to assert 'infallibility', as it is both easily disproven & thus absurd.
@19lfm12 What is the defination of papal infallibility? You don't know what it is, do you? It's not papal impeccability. So what is the defintion of the dogma? A clear concise response would be nice instead of the dicumbobulated discussion you continue to bring forth.
@TenderTrap86 The definition of infallible is 'always true; never false' You cannot pick & choose when you are infallible. You either are, or are not. All or nothing.
Any child whose parent tell him that 'daddy/mommy is always right' will quickly learn that the parent(s) are NOT always right; that they have been lied to. The child will quickly learn not to trust the parent. The only way the child would continue to believe this lie is via brainwashing.
@TenderTrap86 The 'entity' which took form in Opus Dei is very ancient; the group founded in 1928 is merely a modern incarnation of it. It is of Satan, seeking to effect massive spiritual deception, as Jesus foretold it would.
Mammon, which it venerates, is also the name of a literal demon.
@TenderTrap86 It venerates Mammon, which is under the control of the Devil, as per Scripture. And its founder exhibited many of the classic symptoms of possession.
@19lfm12 You are the one making outlandish, conspiratorial claims that Opus Dei is ancient, the KOC is masonic, that the laity of the early Church appointed successors of the Apostles, and that there is no historical evidence of papal infallibility, when you have yet to establish what the definition of the term is. You refute something when you don't even know what it is? I bet you didn't even know what ad hominem meant before you started trolling YT, and, yes, that is an ad hominem attack.
@TenderTrap86 What has been stated about the KOC is not anything unknown or newly invented. It is patently obvious in an objective view of them & their deeds. The Masonic observation of OD goes back some 70 years; to certain high ranking Vatican clerics.
As to 'infallibility' & how the church function prior to Nicea, some objective history lessons would be in order.
You seem to have difficulty comprehending standard meanings for the term 'infallible'.
@TenderTrap86 Rather it is you who has exhibited overt hysteria, duplicity & projection. You are the one who has acted in a schizoid manner; alternately trying to be my 'friend' on YT & then launching into scathing hissy fits of equivocation.
Obviously you are not someone to be trusted. And the evidence is in your comments.
@19lfm12 Again. No sources, only personal judgement and an ad hominem campaign of your own. You give no facts, only outlandish, rediculous claims that you cannot reference. You made claims without me asking, and when I ask for your sources, you meander around like a patheitc politician. All you do is make accusations and pass judgement over the internet. Nothing else. You've provided no information to back your many conspiratorial declarations. You have my permission to get the last word, okay?
@19lfm12 And what about Opus Dei being ancient? I want the sources. And the sources that the laity elected successors to the Apostles in the early Church. I want sources. I'm waiting.
@TenderTrap86 It is an ancient 'thing' which has taken upon itself a new physical manifestation. We are speaking of spiritual realities; not corporate history.
As a demon looks for a human body to control, something ancient 'took on flesh' in 1928. Whatever Escriva saw or communicated with was not God.
@TenderTrap86 "Masons aren't allowed in the Church."
OK...then let's throw out......virtually all bishops, 3/4 of the priests, & at least half of the laity who are regular pew sitters. As all they are members or co-members of groups such as the KOC, OD,Legion of Xt/Regnum Christi, Miles Jesu, Fololare, SMOM, Savoy Orders, Knghts of St. Gregory'Holy Sepulchre, Communion & LIberation, Neo-Cats, Charismatics....all both cultic & Masonic in mode & organization.
@TenderTrap86 So the 200+ deaf boys raped by Fr.Murphy - who was personally enabled by Ratzinger - are 'bigots'? Of the reported nearly 1000 raped by Cardinal Groer? Or the boys raped & beaten in the US & Canada by the Marist & Christian Bros, sometimes with help from Diocesan priests? The boys raped/abused by US bishops & Cardinals (both living & dead)?
Seemingly their 'bigotry' is in daring to speak up.....
@19lfm12 I didn't say they were bigots. I said you were a bigot. And every other lunatic who like you who label the Catholic Church as a utopia for paedophiles. aStop[ putting words in my mouth.
Oh, yeah. Wht happened to my question about Hormisdas? You said you read about him aand the other peopes I mentioned so this should be an easy one for you.
@TenderTrap86 So....any individual or group which supports & defends the abuse victims, provides them counseling (denied by the Church), collects data on abuse, works with attorney prosecuting it.....is 'bigoted'? This is classic projection.
He who points out the criminal is thus himself made 'the bad guy".
For over 1000 years the Vatican has been aware of rampant sex abuse of minors. This is documented historic fact, not fantasy. Nor is the gay brothel currently in the Vatican....
@19lfm12 No. People standing up for abuse victims are doing the right thing. How are they bigots? You believe they're bigots? Why? Is that contrary to what you've been arguing? Are you confused? Remember to get help from a psychiatrist.
You have made it clear that a 'bigot' is one who will not just shut up & blindly swallow whatever the Vatican belches forth. Thus with the sex abuse crisis, a "bigot" is one who will not readily believe the lies of the Bishops & of Ratzinger.
@TenderTrap86 It is you who have called myself a 'bigot' & by inference referred to victim's advocates & those who challenge the lies of the Vatican in re abuse as 'bigots'.
@19lfm12 Stop calling the abuse victoms bigots. It's not funny or cute or intellectually becoming of you. It;s not okay to abuse kids and have priests get away with it.
@19lfm12 Lost which arguement? The one I've repeatedly tried to get your thoughts on? Remember the one about The papal infallibilty? About Hormisdas? You have no refutation. And you have neglected to establish which sources you used to conclude that it was the laity that appointed successors to the Apostles. All you can do is beat around the bush and rebut with how their are rapists in the Church and you call the kids bigots for speaking out.
@TenderTrap86 It is you who inferred that the victims & their advocates who speak up against the Church are 'bigots'. Anyone who reads this thread will see this clearly.
You have done nothing but show blind support for the Vatican Administration which approved of & enabled the abuse - and the lies upon which their hegemony is built.
@19lfm12 So, all you can muster is to reiterrate what you've already said time and time again? That's all you can do? No intellectual response to my question? This isn;t the first time I've had this kind of talk with you. You're nothing but a liar and a troll who makes up their own facts. Troll.
@TenderTrap86 I note with interest that you made no response to the (true) statement that boys were repeatedly & regularly abused in a prominent US Cathedral rectory - where two candidates for sainthood resided at the time.
They were the darlings of Opus Dei, as was the late Cardinal also in residence.
@TenderTrap86 "I hate those fucking priest. Perverts."
Christ said we are to love all of our brethren, to pray for sinners & love our enemies.
Were certain identites to be revealed it would shake the faith of many. Yet many would remain deep in denial. Just as they are about a certain deceased US Cardinal who spoke of the desire for "deeper cooperation between masonry & the Church', openly.
@19lfm12 I don't want your soap box preaching. I want the sources of all those claims you made. I don't want your opinion. i want the facts. I want the documents. I want the proof. I want those sources. I'm waiting.
@TenderTrap86 em......as you are neither my parent, or any 'authority figure'; you are not going to tell me what to do.
First, links cannot be posted here.2nd there is not enough room to explain any of this in great detail. 3rd.....this will not happen,as you are not interested in truth, much less learning.
@19lfm12 Stop meandering around the conversation at hand.
You can Personal Message me. Do it. I want those sources. To the claims you say that are true. I didn;t bring those up. You did, however and I'm going to get to the bottom of this. You're a liar and troll.
@TenderTrap86 In the past you have simultaneously tried to add me as a friend & at the same time exhibited very schizoid tendencies, as you have on this thread.
@TenderTrap86 By your own words, you have inferred that the victims & those who speak up for them against the lies of the Vatican about the sex abuse crisis....are 'bigots'.
This is so classic....playing "blame the victim' or their defenders.
@19lfm12 No, by your own words you think that Catholic priests are guiltless. If not what are you trying to say? Yo usay one thing and then you say another.
@TenderTrap86 By definition, for something/someone to be infallible, it must lack falsehood. It is always true, never lies & is entirely consistent & coherent. Anyone who reads church history will see the exact opposite.
This 'infallibility' would also have to extend to each & every pope.Including the insane, rapists, child molesters, adulterers, pederasts, theives, overt liars. As they form the majority, they cannot be explained away.
@19lfm12 No. You must know and then give the definition of papal infallibilty. Then you can refute it. By claiming what you do, even if it were true, is still not a refutation of papal infallibility.
@19lfm12 You said you already reviewed the popes I mentioned, so then you can tell me what document and dispute Pope Hormisdas was involved in. Right? Or are you a liar? I think you're a liar. And a troll. Don't forget troll. That's a biggee.
@TenderTrap86 The 'Church' is neither a physical object, nor is it a global mega-comglomerate; the oldest & wealthiest on earth.
What Jesus founded is a spiritual family - in both Time & Eternity - of all those who believe in Him & try to live His teaching, as found in the Sermon on the Mount & Beatitudes. It owns not one building; not one penny.
@19lfm12 God brought a physical, objective manifestation of Himself to mankind for salvation, through Christ. But, you believe His Church is subjective and that it is only spiritual. Was Christ subjective and only spiritual? Is that what you're saying?
@TenderTrap86 The only physical manifestation of the Kingdom of God in this world is the physical bodies of those who compose it. This is why Jesus taught that one must search for it; as it is something of the spirit. Mystical. It is within you, if you will bother to look for it. Most do not & therefor are not of the Kingdom. It owns nothing & never did.
Jesus's Gospel is all about internal spirituality; not mere externals. Nor of a hierarchial hegemony.
@19lfm12 I already know about the Mystical Body of Christ. the Church teaches this. Maybe you should actually do some research instead of making up stories.
@TenderTrap86 The Roman Catholic Church organization is neither the Mystical Body of Christ, nor is the one exclusively the other. Nor is the former identical with the Catholic Faith; nor does it believe in it.
There are some individual Catholics who are of the Kingdom. There always have been some, but few.
@19lfm12 -"When successors to the Apostles were chosen it was sometimes by acclamation of the laity; sometimes by collaborative consensus of all clerics."-
I want sources. And who are the clerics? By whom were they appointed and by what process and from what authority?
@TenderTrap86 Did you actually LISTEN to this video? It opens with a man citing his repeated rape (some 200 times) at the hands of several priests.
I am personally aware of a brand new case of a cleric who is charged with abuse in at least FOUR US states!!! And of newly reported cases of past abuse in a very famous Cathedral.......where TWO candidates for sainthood resided, seemingly unaware of regular boy rape in their own rectory. The abuser: a close friend of the then Cardinal.....
in canada, a movie came out to address the abuse of the children, i will not name it so as to advertise it, but it shows little boys nude and one of of their penises--is this to support or to protest boy abuse---it goes on to show a grown male actually kissing the boys body and caressing him----canada has repeatedly supported this type of thing calling it art---there is a huge underground boy portitution ring in canada and it remains unaddressed in both media and the judicial system--very sic
the preists are denied natural relations with women, then put in charge of children--if you follow the history of the catholic church, it was once pagan rome, the romans and the greeks back to babylon all had sex with little boys---its the same institution thatchanges names--afganistan it is legal to grab any little boy in the street and sodomize him to a brutal extent--boy molestation has been a part of history for thousands of years---the catholic isnt christian, that is merely the disguise
My point of view is that children do tell there parents that they do not want to see there molesters or whoever, without going in detail what happened because they feel ashamed by the virtuous pedastal religion is put on in our society. Most parents are under the misguided teachings of the church and ship there kids off to church, same as public schools, same as friends houses, same as abusive relatives or neighbors with the misconception it is in the best interests of their child.
Try Christain would never do anything to harm another human being especailly not children. But the congregation keeps paying for the lawsuits to protect their petiphiles.
Mark 7: 3 for the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands up to the elbow, holding fast the tradition of the men of former times, 4 and, when back from market, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves by sprinkling; and there are many other traditions that they have received to hold fast, baptisms of cups and pitchers and copper vessels;—
Mark 7: 5 so these Pharisees and scribes asked him: Why is it your disciples do not conduct themselves according to the tradition of the men of former times, but they take their meal with defiled hands? 6 He said to them:.. YOU hypocrites,
Do not you be called Rabbi; for one is your Master, and all you are brothers. And call no one on earth your father; for one is your Father, who is in heaven.—Matthew 23:1-10, New Catholic Edition of the Holy Bible.
Just shows that St. John, when writing in Revelation chapter 17 and 18, was right when he called the false Christian religion the Mother of Harlots. Catholicism is definitly the Mother and all the Protestant groups that came out of her are her harlot daughters. Because she is the mother OF harlots.
webwealthplanet 2 weeks ago
At least the catholic ask foregiveness. The Turk mongolian fashists have not seeked forgives for illegally occupying North Cyprus, Eastern Thrtace Asia minr or the genocide on the Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians, Anglo-French-Italians-Germans, Kurds. Arabs and Georgians, Russians, Serbs, Bulgars and Romanians
MrAugustus88 1 month ago
It's quite interesting that the other Christians are striving so very hard to avoid the truth that this happens just about as frequently in Protestantism as well. They'll talk so long about minor, insane differences in the sick fantasies they imagine are true. It's much like the Catholics used to try to say it was a US thing rather than a global thing. Sure...now it's a Catholic thing rather than a Christian thing.
MisterC0 2 months ago
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Religion is like a penis. It's ok to have one. It's fine to be proud of it. But... please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around. And Please don't try to shove it down my kids throats.
AllTheseWorldsAreUrs 3 months ago
I'm not an anti-catholic, the ones who lead it are.
missZiggy549 4 months ago
Horrible, evil church
patrickomalleyy 5 months ago
What I find truly amazing apart from the globalized phenomenon of child rape, sodomy and sexual abuse by catholic priests everywhere is that the catholic followers themselves have not yet spiritually awakened themselves to the fact that their catholic church was never ever a christian church in the first place. If they are sufficiently awake to read the bible themselves, they would have seen that their church's doctrines and practices are almost always totally opposite to what the bible teaches.
opsvideo2008 6 months ago
That sick rapist typical white savage behavior!!!!!!!!
ROMANxxEMPIRE 7 months ago
@ROMANxxEMPIRE No rape is typical negroe behaviour, thats why you rape in the getthos and in prison, black pigs deserves death.
Imhornydadcomeinside 6 months ago
@Imhornydadcomeinside you mad? im not black or latino loloolololo but this is typical white savage behavior.... need to throw em in cages!!!!!
ROMANxxEMPIRE 6 months ago
@ROMANxxEMPIRE No we need to throw blacks in cages, wait, they already are... oh never mind then!
Lol!
Imhornydadcomeinside 6 months ago
@Imhornydadcomeinside You mother loves black men. Did you know that?
AllTheseWorldsAreUrs 3 months ago
@AllTheseWorldsAreUrs My mother is dead so I have no Idea if she did like black men.
Imhornydadcomeinside 3 months ago
@Imhornydadcomeinside Well she did. What do you think about that?
AllTheseWorldsAreUrs 3 months ago
@AllTheseWorldsAreUrs That you obviously do as well since you were raped by one with her, why would you know otherwise? ;)
Imhornydadcomeinside 3 months ago
@ROMANxxEMPIRE "I'm not black" Lol! Yes we beleive you! Welcome to the internets.
Imhornydadcomeinside 6 months ago
White men love tight children assholes
ROMANxxEMPIRE 6 months ago
@ROMANxxEMPIRE Black men loves everyones assholes, especuially male asshole, ask the "booty warrior".
Imhornydadcomeinside 6 months ago
@ROMANxxEMPIRE BTW Roman empire spat on black people.
Imhornydadcomeinside 6 months ago
Why do they keep saying "Theee church?" There is no "theee church," except in mind/fantasies of their own sect. Othodox do not call them "theee church," nor other religions. Converts are from "third world," but "first world," falls away (with education, resources to question and read Bible). They believe their own self press on no one else existing is all. No "theee" anything. Such indoctrination, hubris, arrogance, might be what is making these priests think they can rape people!
westchesterny 7 months ago
North Wisconsin, they sent him to??? That used to be a really nice Lutheran area! They should have to stay where they are, maybe, instead of going to other areas! Children not involved in the RCC and kept away from it could be harmed also, if they are sent to heavily non-catholic areas!! That's just not right. (Not that abuse is ok, imo, anyway---but it's something others have always protested, not just starting to protest it now!) Others left RCC years ago! 500 years ago!
westchesterny 7 months ago
St Georges College in Harare Zimbabwe is a Roman Catholic institution where extreme physical abuse was going on under the watchful eye of Priests and Jesuit Brothers- and the abuse is probably going on there to this very day.
The college is also associated with the St Georges College and Salesian College in Surrey, England, and I bet the whole abuse scandal is being kept very very secretive. It's another Vatican secret that needs to be exposed...
GlobalPrison 8 months ago
Catholic school was a place where all you learned was how worthless and stupid you were. Your role in life is to take the abuse. And if you cried they'd just enjoy hurting you even more. FUCK the church.
mindstormsabrewin 8 months ago
@mindstormsabrewin Jesuits created "Liberation Theology" to incite S. Americans to hate "anglos" (protestants in america) & opened border to ensure they would come in Hart-Celler Act. Also they imposed Vat II on protestants in U.s. who DID NOT WANT IT, and then blamed protestants FOR VAT II. INSANE! They made up Vat II, but said it was protestant liberalizing!! It is very twisted. Like they do things and blame people when it is obviously originating with them!! What to do?
westchesterny 8 months ago
@westchesterny Sorry but I have NO idea what you're going on about.
mindstormsabrewin 8 months ago
@mindstormsabrewin If you look into the immigration in u.s., the romanization of the u.s. and overthrow of constitution for a military empire like rome in olden days is clearer. They were involved in Hart-Cellar Act (which opened the borders to tens of millions of lower class catholics). and many other policies. Also, "theee" church harbors illegal catholics many times. But the agenda is to change america into a welfare tax-collection military state 4 catholics.
westchesterny 8 months ago
@westchesterny well, look into the u.s. immigration debate, which is all about opening the border to Romanize and catholicize the u.s. About 50 million catholics were brought in or more in just the past 50 years. this is why /how it became an "empire country' versus the constitution which has been co-opted by the catholics, (to create an "empire" government, like the old roman empire.) They drove policies for this in u.s. It was hugely a protestant country, not now.
westchesterny 8 months ago
Respond to this video... Also, many protestants in America did not worry much over catholicism until the 60s. There just really were not that many until the Civil War (around the same time as the Irish potato famine.) The famine was avoidable, but many came to u.s. then fought for the union army to federalize the country. They have a strange history in this way, in the u.s. The union army in u.s. was half foreign born, a fact that many people do not know, but is highly document
westchesterny 8 months ago
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MORE ON THE HISTORY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ABUSE AND TORTURE IN IRELAND.
The UN Committee against Torture (UNCAT) has found that an independent inquiry should be conducted into what went on in the Catholic run Magdalene Laundries in Ireland. Where there was rampant physical, psychological and sex abuse of the women incarcerated there. These abuses were carried out by Catholic priests and Catholic nuns. They were held for life there, without trial or justice. Rome Rule in Catholic Ireland!!
goinghomesomeday1 9 months ago
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niwanthiumara 10 months ago
I don't think there is any other way to respond to the sex abuse cases and subsequent cover-ups with anything but moral outrage. However, your presentation of Catholic theology is a strawman, and based on your other videos, I think you know that. Also, I don't beleive the information presented here about the instituitional response (including Pope Benedict XVI) is objective.
Billhawk74 10 months ago
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Billhawk74 10 months ago
The Catholic church is such a dangerous place for children. I'm amazed that no one else talks about what you've talked about, and that this isn't new. It's been going on for hundreds of years.
It still hasn't stopped in 2011, and the Catholic followers don't care enough about it to make it a big deal.
patrickomalleyy 11 months ago
@tweethang1 the worst thing is there are still fans who would willingly take out their eyes and testicles to defend such a corrupted and incogruent instutition and ask forgiveness to this sexual predators "because they are seduced by the children" and that "they don't know what thy're doing in their purity and inocence" such people is capable of obstructing justice ven if their children were abused
norskvitnskapfrsknng 1 year ago
I remember that shit. Tim Curry played the serpent.
IronicallyChristian 1 year ago
Here's more on YT ... Jehovah's Witness Spiritual Shepherds Sex Abuse 1/3 and Christian corruption on C Street. Why is it when it comes to SEXUAL immorality Christians are most like ly to fall? Don't blame em fellas---for since the beginning GOD created man and woman NAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEED ... (rofl) Besides this watch: SEX PORN IN BIBLE on YT.
irendelle 1 year ago
When I watch horrible documentaries like these, I just can't help myself utter that nasty 4 letter word (though I HATE to say it here goes ...) FUCK you CATHOLICS!!!!! Myyyy .... what a relief! Can I say that again for one last time? FUCK you CATHOLICS!!!!! Not to mention every other licentious Christian on religiouchildabuse(dot)blogspot(dot)com ... go visit the link CHRISTIANS! When it comes to CORRUPTION and IMMORALITY you really have somethin in common with your "MUM" isn't it? Looooooool
irendelle 1 year ago
Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works". "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
The main problem here is that the roman catholic "church" is the only organization that has offered peverts of every stripe and pedophiles in particular a career, protection and access to children. Over time this has led to more and more perverts being attracted to the Church.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
In 2001, while he was a cardinal, the pope issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety. The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
People confuse catholicism with Christianity. They are not the same. If you look at what the catholic organisation teaches and believes and compare that to the BIble, you will see the two are in direct opposition!
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
I want to be molested by a priest..please email me so I can get my molesting from heylels holy gzeus chrsit.......
chuckyskeys 1 year ago
Stefbot and Dawkins are my two heroes
druidic6 1 year ago
My view of it is that Child sacrifice has ALWAYS been a part of RCC worship. SEXUAL abuse is a way to "sacrifice" a childs soul without leaving a dead body.
The RCC priests in Croatia served as officers in the Ustase Army during WWII. The NAZIs were appalled at their ruthlessness and "stepped" on them. 25000 children would have been better off being sent to NAZI death camps. NAZIS would have GASSED them before they tossed them into the ovens. Ustase priest burned them alive.... MOLECH anyone?
loggerbuck 1 year ago
@loggerbuck Child sacrifice has never been a part of RC worship.
However sex abuse is murder of a soul as you indicate. It has been done on an individual basis, with multiple abusers & in ritualistic modes. All obviously serving Satan; all having nothing to do with the Mass itself.
The horror of what was done by Ustashi in Croatia is beyond words, & served Satan.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@loggerbuck What you fail to comprehend in your fanaticism, is that ALL early Christians believed in Transubstantiation - & thus the Eucharist - & all participated in the Mass. The precise form of the Mass varied; ditto for any terms describing it, its effects & the Eucharist.
This is historic fact & cannot be denied. Also this has absolutely nothing to do with 'Molech' or 'child sacrifice'.
That such may have been done by some clerics in another context is a different topic altogether.
19lfm12 1 year ago
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I heard that often the priest is not a priest but a camuflated jewish born man that play that he is a priest in catholism.In catholism the priest is kind people like the pope.Often the priest that say that they have used their childs or other childs to sex is fathers to the childs they say they have used,and the child get millions of dollar from the catholic church because they are used.Then the camuflated jew have plagued the catholism as he planned and stealed money from them to and get rich.
honnnesty 1 year ago
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I heard that often the priest is not a priest but a camuflated jewish born man that play that he is a priest in catholism. In catholism the priest is kind people that live in celibat like the pope. Often the priest that say that they have used their childs or other childs to sex is fathers to th childs they say they have used, and the child get millions of dollar from the catholic church because they are used. Then the camuflated jew have plagued the catholism and stealed money from them to.
honnnesty 1 year ago
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I heard that often the priest is not a priest but a camuflated jewish born man that play that he is a priest in catholism. In catholism the priest is kind people that live in celibat like the pope. Often the priest that say that they have used their childs or other childs to sex is fathers to th childs they say they have used, and the child get millions of dollar from the catholic church because they are used. Then the camuflated jew have plagued the catholism and stealed money from them to.
honnnesty 1 year ago
Is there no end to the evil of the Catholic Church?
Pinnertop 1 year ago
@Pinnertop Sadly, no. In 325 AD with the Council of Nicea it married Mammon. Since then history shows nothing but a trail of carnage in its wake.
..not the love of Christ, nor His teachings.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Can you collaborate my research that shows RCC source:
200BC Cybele/Magna Mater brought to Rome from Phrygea (sp?) and placed in new temple on Vatican hill. Surgical Transexuals and child sacrifice practiced 'till 150AD.. child sacrifice outlawed. 200 AD new pontiff set scribes to writing/combined liturgy from Cybele Cult and Pauline Gnostic Cult => birth of the RCC. At same time they returned to child sacrifice EVERY MASS! Magna Mater disappeared from Vatican around 600 AD.
loggerbuck 1 year ago
@loggerbuck Any direct & literal connection between what you are hinting at & the legitimate performance of valid Masses is nonsense.
You realize of course that the Apostles said Mass, as did their legitimate successors. The precise name & form of the rite used is irrelevant, as it varied. But all early Xtians believed in the Mass & Transubstantiation...the Eucharist.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Also do you know anything about Simon the Sorcerer or Simon Magus of Acts. Some claim him the 'FIRST GNOSTIC" who went to Rome and became a great spiritual leader and a title of Petr... or ... SIMON PETER.... THE FIRST POPE.
loggerbuck 1 year ago
@loggerbuck Peter the Apostle is not 'simon magus'. Nor was he a 'pope' as we now understand the term. As neither the title nor construct would be invented until centuries later. He is counted as the 'first pope' for the sake of numbering.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Simon Peter Disciple of Jesus was not even the leader of the Disciples... James, Jesus earthly half brother, was the Bishop of Jerusalem I think... whom Peter deferred to. I've read that Simon Magus/Simon the Sorcerer of Chapter 8 of ACTS could be the Simon Peter (Petr was a title) the RCC refers to.
I am certain Simon Peter the fisherman was NEVER A POPE OF ANY SORT.
loggerbuck 1 year ago
@loggerbuck Peter was most certainly the leader of the Apostles, as chosen by Christ. He is NOT the same person as Simon Magus. End of story.
Neither the title or what we now know as the office of 'pope' existed until atter the Council of Nicea in 325AD. Peter was thus not a 'pope', yet is numbered as if, for the sake of counting his successors (legitimate & not....).
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 I DID NOT SAY PETER AND SIMON MAGUS WERE ONE AND THE SAME.
I'm saying that Simon Magus may have been the first pope. Some say he left the Holy land and ended up in Rome and became a very very influential spiritual leader with the title Petr given him.... he may have been the FIRST Gnostic. Roman Catholocism is very very very steeped in Gnosticism; so it does make some sense.
You are a committed Catholic I see. What does UPON THIS ROCK mean to you anyway?
loggerbuck 1 year ago
@loggerbuck For the last time: there was no such thing as a 'pope' in the 1st century. Which of those words is confusing to you?
Peter is counted as 'the 1st pope' for the sake of numbering his successors. Get it?
SM is truly irrelevant, as are the minority of early Xtians who went off on tangents away from Christ. The REAL problem began at Nicea where the bishops connived with Constantine to make a state religion out of Christ's ekklesia.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@loggerbuck One would have to be blind to read you comments & NOT see you are positing Peter & SM as one & the same.
As to the 'gnostic' issue, that is a buzzword for the mentally dim. Impugning evil & occultism where it does not necessarily exist. It has been used to imply 'heresy' where it is not so.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 I am NOT Positing them as the same. I am saying that a fellow named Simon Magus or Simon the Sorcerer in Acts had a title of Petr. The same fellow earlier in Jerusalem Simon Peter and John rebuked for wanting to purchase the gift of the HS in Acts. Gnosticism in simple terms is Kabaalism with Jesus Jargon. Kabaalism is simply Babylonian Grove religion in Moses garb. The Jews brought it back from Babylon. Catholics got it by two paths Pauline Gnostic cults and Cybele worship.
loggerbuck 1 year ago
The Vatican has been aware of rampant & systemic clerical sex abuse for at least 1000 years.
Look up:"Book of Gomorrah" by St. Peter Damian
He was a Cardinal, when all Cardinals were in Rome. His writing indicate in depth knowledge of wide spread abuse then. Thus the Vatican is lying when they claim 'we knew nothing".
19lfm12 1 year ago
Are these abuser priests genuine catholics or just pedophiles who infilitrate the church for the opportunity to get close to child victims?
BVargas78 1 year ago
@BVargas78 The priest abusers all underwent seminary training.Observed, evaluated, analyzed, counseled. They would not have been ordained if they were not 'approved of'.....by senior priests/seminary professors & the diocesan bishop. All of whom were members of 'friendly' to Opus Dei.
Thus they had the official 'stamp of approval' as being 'genuine Catholics.
Now ponder that....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@BVargas78 Usually paedophiles are men who do search for easy access to children. It;s interesting to note that in 2 out of every 3 cases of child molestation, the perpetrator/abuser is a person in that child's own family, usually the father, sometimes and uncle. So, if you want to keep an eye out for child molesters, better look closer to home. I dare anyone to challenege that fact. PS I'm not defending the actions of those scumbag priests. As a Catholic, I'm very angry, upset and embarassed.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 The Vatican has a known 1000 year history of clerical sex abuse. Fact.
We know from the documented cases that the priest abuser either tries to get close to the family for access to the kid, or the kid is alone & emotionally vulnerable (i.e orphan, boarding student).
Most abuse cases were not reported out of fear of the Church, so you have no way of knowing the true figures - but they are VASTLY more !
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 There has been child sexual abuse going on for longe than that. And, not only the Catholic Church is guilty. The statistics day that married men are the most likely to be abusers and their victims are most likely their own children. It's because they have esay access to children. I dare you to challenge that.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 The 1st instance we know of where a Vatican official indicated awareness of systemic & wide-spread clerical sex abuse was some 1000 years ago.
There are NO such valid statistics, as the sample base is woefully incomplete: most Catholic clerical abuse was never reported. If it was it was ignored, the victim frightened away, paid off....and/ior law enforcement connived with bishops to make cases vanish.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 And, what about Hormisdas?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@19lfm12 -"they are VASTLY more !"-
I highly doubt this ambuguous statment. In 2009, alone, there weren't even 15 cases *reported* for the *entire year* in the *entire world*. That's reported or accussed, not guilty verdicts. Stop the senseless lying.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 I am personally aware of several newly reported cases within the past year in a major US Archdiocese, concealed from the media. More are being uncovered all the time.
Thousands of victims never spoke up out of fear of the Church. If they did they were threatened & intimidated by clerics AND law enforcement (who were in the bishops' pockets). This was true in Ireland & the US. Sadly many victims went to their graves without telling their story.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Your Catholci abuse statistics are way out there in left feild. You can't make things up like that. Maybe you should go see a psychiatrist?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 ...typical tactics of projection & psychological manipulation.
You would not say such things if you had bothered to read the Ryan & Fearns Reports; or even a sampling of the abuse stories in the US. Or noticed the trails of abuser priests, brothers & nuns sent from Ireland to the US, to teach in US schools & parishes. And to abuse again.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 I know about both reports. I'm refuting the rediculous statements that you made that you personally know of more abuse that's being covered up. You can't lie like that.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 No - you do not 'know both reports'. You could not possibly truly have faith in God, read them (which you have not) & say as you do. You do not believe there was any abuse; that the victims are all lying - out for money & publicity.You believe the clergy are a priviledged caste, with powers & perks above mere mortals.
You go far beyond the mere Denial afflicting most Catholics....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 *I do beleive that the abuse happened*. I don't know what I've said that makes you think otherwise. I don't believe clergy are above the law. I do believe that there have been and are victims who are suffering terribly because of priest who abused them. I deny nothing accept the lies you perpetrate.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 No - you have already made statements very clearly indicating that you personally support the deification of the Catholic clergy & hierarchy. You have clearly tried to minimize the extent of the abuse, and have overtly supported the bishops who approved of & enabled the abuse. Including Ratz.
Your false compassion for the victims is mere rhetoric; quite transparently false.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 I don't diminsh anything about the sex abuse. I just bring the facts to the discussion to fight off the bigots.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 No - what you did was to try to minimize it & sweep it under the rug, just like Bishop Wilton-Dearest:) Let's pretend "it's all over'....deny....minimize...blame shift....use projection. You did all that: the Opus Dei tactic.
You have no clue how many new, yet to be reported cases, are ' in the works'. In the hands of attorneys & private investigators.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 I don't deny or minimize any of the abuse the has been proven.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Very clever.....in other words, you only believe that which the bishops will openly admit to. Only those which the bishops have allowed to be prosecuted.
That does NOT include all the THOUSANDS of cases which they paid for the victims' silence. Or when an Opus Dei judge threw the case out on a flimsy technicality. Or cooperate KOC cops intentionally misfiled. Or the vast number NEVER reported out of fear of the Catholic Church's power!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 My guess is that you don't even know what Opus Dei is or who the Knights of Clumbus are?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 For all practical purposes, the KOC is virtual Catholic Blue Lodge Masonry. There is no point in try to deny or make pitiful excuses for it. It IS Masonic in form & intent.
Opus Dei is the Anti-Gospel, as it venerates Mammon. It is a higher, Ecclesiastical Masonry - in form, structure & deed.
Neither is of Christ. And both are antithical to the Gospel.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Masons aren't allowed in the Church. Maybe you should read the first papal encyclical condemning Masonry and other secret societies.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Indeed Masonry is condemned. Yet there is duplicity in this, as it exists. One one hand we have the pretense of condemnation & the convenient guise of 'anti-catholic sentiment' in the Lodge. All a ruse via useful idiots. So is the compartmentalization.
Yet the KOC are overtly Masonic in nature & mode, as is OD. Hiding in plain sight, just like a regular Masonic Lodge in main street. A clever game is being played.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 You're misguided perception that the Knight and Opus Dei are Masonic is untrue. You don't even know who they are, do you? Stop reading Dan Brown and pick up an encyclopedia. history is a lotmore objective.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 The KOC were founded as Catholic Masonry...while at the same time pretending not to be Masons, despite having the same titles, ceremonial elements,elitism, etc. It is a spiritual fraud.
Opus Dei has been correctly cited almost from its inception as Ecclesiastical Freemasonry by honest clerics who investigated it. It is in the same mode of elitism, secrecy, duplicity & control as the regular Lodge. And more then a few members of one are part of the other.....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 You know nothing of the KOC or Opus Dei? Do you even know what year they were founded, without going to Wikipedia, first?
And, what about Hormisdas and the other popes? You said that you can historically refute papal infallibilty but have yet to do so.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 The refutation of papal infallibility is given in the logical observation of church history. In the Gospels. And in the understanding of the key principle of Spiritual Coherence;
It would simply be incoherent - in light of papal history - to assert 'infallibility', as it is both easily disproven & thus absurd.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 What is the defination of papal infallibility? You don't know what it is, do you? It's not papal impeccability. So what is the defintion of the dogma? A clear concise response would be nice instead of the dicumbobulated discussion you continue to bring forth.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 The definition of infallible is 'always true; never false' You cannot pick & choose when you are infallible. You either are, or are not. All or nothing.
Any child whose parent tell him that 'daddy/mommy is always right' will quickly learn that the parent(s) are NOT always right; that they have been lied to. The child will quickly learn not to trust the parent. The only way the child would continue to believe this lie is via brainwashing.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 You haven't even defined papal infallibilty. Define it. Then refute that defintion historically, as you say you can.
I want the source that Opus Dei is ancient.
I want the source that the KOC is Masonic.
I want the source that Apostolic Succession was done by the laity of the early Church.
I'm waitning for all of these sources.
I'm not letting you off the hook.
You're a liar and a troll, and I will expose you.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Objective research will clearly show the origin & purpose of the KOC, their deeds & mode.
The overwhelming body of evidence of the true nature of OD is in the writing of former members & independent writers.
On who has no user content (their own videos) & almost no contacts, despite being on YT for a long time is the very definition of a shill account.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 The 'entity' which took form in Opus Dei is very ancient; the group founded in 1928 is merely a modern incarnation of it. It is of Satan, seeking to effect massive spiritual deception, as Jesus foretold it would.
Mammon, which it venerates, is also the name of a literal demon.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Opus Dei is ancient? Okay, I'll play along with that one. How? Who? What? Where? When? Why?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 It venerates Mammon, which is under the control of the Devil, as per Scripture. And its founder exhibited many of the classic symptoms of possession.
It is the Anti-Gospel.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Haha! No refutation. I'm still waiting.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Actually, it is yourself who have failed to logically refute anything I have stated. Instead you launched into ad hominem & hysterics.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 You are the one making outlandish, conspiratorial claims that Opus Dei is ancient, the KOC is masonic, that the laity of the early Church appointed successors of the Apostles, and that there is no historical evidence of papal infallibility, when you have yet to establish what the definition of the term is. You refute something when you don't even know what it is? I bet you didn't even know what ad hominem meant before you started trolling YT, and, yes, that is an ad hominem attack.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 What has been stated about the KOC is not anything unknown or newly invented. It is patently obvious in an objective view of them & their deeds. The Masonic observation of OD goes back some 70 years; to certain high ranking Vatican clerics.
As to 'infallibility' & how the church function prior to Nicea, some objective history lessons would be in order.
You seem to have difficulty comprehending standard meanings for the term 'infallible'.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 It.s called books: read them. It's called a search engine: use one.
All which has been stated is clearly self evident & the into is out there for those who are interested in objective research.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Just like you. no refutation. All you're capable of is making judgments of others on YouTube comment sections, lying and trolling.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Rather it is you who has exhibited overt hysteria, duplicity & projection. You are the one who has acted in a schizoid manner; alternately trying to be my 'friend' on YT & then launching into scathing hissy fits of equivocation.
Obviously you are not someone to be trusted. And the evidence is in your comments.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Again. No sources, only personal judgement and an ad hominem campaign of your own. You give no facts, only outlandish, rediculous claims that you cannot reference. You made claims without me asking, and when I ask for your sources, you meander around like a patheitc politician. All you do is make accusations and pass judgement over the internet. Nothing else. You've provided no information to back your many conspiratorial declarations. You have my permission to get the last word, okay?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@19lfm12 And what about Opus Dei being ancient? I want the sources. And the sources that the laity elected successors to the Apostles in the early Church. I want sources. I'm waiting.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 It is an ancient 'thing' which has taken upon itself a new physical manifestation. We are speaking of spiritual realities; not corporate history.
As a demon looks for a human body to control, something ancient 'took on flesh' in 1928. Whatever Escriva saw or communicated with was not God.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 "Masons aren't allowed in the Church."
OK...then let's throw out......virtually all bishops, 3/4 of the priests, & at least half of the laity who are regular pew sitters. As all they are members or co-members of groups such as the KOC, OD,Legion of Xt/Regnum Christi, Miles Jesu, Fololare, SMOM, Savoy Orders, Knghts of St. Gregory'Holy Sepulchre, Communion & LIberation, Neo-Cats, Charismatics....all both cultic & Masonic in mode & organization.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 So the 200+ deaf boys raped by Fr.Murphy - who was personally enabled by Ratzinger - are 'bigots'? Of the reported nearly 1000 raped by Cardinal Groer? Or the boys raped & beaten in the US & Canada by the Marist & Christian Bros, sometimes with help from Diocesan priests? The boys raped/abused by US bishops & Cardinals (both living & dead)?
Seemingly their 'bigotry' is in daring to speak up.....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 I didn't say they were bigots. I said you were a bigot. And every other lunatic who like you who label the Catholic Church as a utopia for paedophiles. aStop[ putting words in my mouth.
Oh, yeah. Wht happened to my question about Hormisdas? You said you read about him aand the other peopes I mentioned so this should be an easy one for you.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 So....any individual or group which supports & defends the abuse victims, provides them counseling (denied by the Church), collects data on abuse, works with attorney prosecuting it.....is 'bigoted'? This is classic projection.
He who points out the criminal is thus himself made 'the bad guy".
For over 1000 years the Vatican has been aware of rampant sex abuse of minors. This is documented historic fact, not fantasy. Nor is the gay brothel currently in the Vatican....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 No. People standing up for abuse victims are doing the right thing. How are they bigots? You believe they're bigots? Why? Is that contrary to what you've been arguing? Are you confused? Remember to get help from a psychiatrist.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 You are playing at words......
You have made it clear that a 'bigot' is one who will not just shut up & blindly swallow whatever the Vatican belches forth. Thus with the sex abuse crisis, a "bigot" is one who will not readily believe the lies of the Bishops & of Ratzinger.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Why are you saying that the abuse victims are bigots? What's the matter with you?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 It is you who have called myself a 'bigot' & by inference referred to victim's advocates & those who challenge the lies of the Vatican in re abuse as 'bigots'.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Stop calling the abuse victoms bigots. It's not funny or cute or intellectually becoming of you. It;s not okay to abuse kids and have priests get away with it.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 LOL...classic projection!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 ...this is the last act of one who has lost a debate:
The ad hominem, with a dash of projection.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Lost which arguement? The one I've repeatedly tried to get your thoughts on? Remember the one about The papal infallibilty? About Hormisdas? You have no refutation. And you have neglected to establish which sources you used to conclude that it was the laity that appointed successors to the Apostles. All you can do is beat around the bush and rebut with how their are rapists in the Church and you call the kids bigots for speaking out.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 It is you who inferred that the victims & their advocates who speak up against the Church are 'bigots'. Anyone who reads this thread will see this clearly.
You have done nothing but show blind support for the Vatican Administration which approved of & enabled the abuse - and the lies upon which their hegemony is built.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 So, all you can muster is to reiterrate what you've already said time and time again? That's all you can do? No intellectual response to my question? This isn;t the first time I've had this kind of talk with you. You're nothing but a liar and a troll who makes up their own facts. Troll.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 I note with interest that you made no response to the (true) statement that boys were repeatedly & regularly abused in a prominent US Cathedral rectory - where two candidates for sainthood resided at the time.
They were the darlings of Opus Dei, as was the late Cardinal also in residence.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 I know that all those boys were abused and horribly. I ahte what happened to them. I hate those fucking priest. Perverts.
Now, adress the facts that you claim to already know.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 "I hate those fucking priest. Perverts."
Christ said we are to love all of our brethren, to pray for sinners & love our enemies.
Were certain identites to be revealed it would shake the faith of many. Yet many would remain deep in denial. Just as they are about a certain deceased US Cardinal who spoke of the desire for "deeper cooperation between masonry & the Church', openly.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 I don't want your soap box preaching. I want the sources of all those claims you made. I don't want your opinion. i want the facts. I want the documents. I want the proof. I want those sources. I'm waiting.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 em......as you are neither my parent, or any 'authority figure'; you are not going to tell me what to do.
First, links cannot be posted here.2nd there is not enough room to explain any of this in great detail. 3rd.....this will not happen,as you are not interested in truth, much less learning.
Nor have you demonstrated honesty in any way.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Stop meandering around the conversation at hand.
You can Personal Message me. Do it. I want those sources. To the claims you say that are true. I didn;t bring those up. You did, however and I'm going to get to the bottom of this. You're a liar and troll.
Personal Message me. I dare you.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 In the past you have simultaneously tried to add me as a friend & at the same time exhibited very schizoid tendencies, as you have on this thread.
No thanks.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 I bet you don't even know what schizophrenia is.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 By your own words, you have inferred that the victims & those who speak up for them against the lies of the Vatican about the sex abuse crisis....are 'bigots'.
This is so classic....playing "blame the victim' or their defenders.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 No, by your own words you think that Catholic priests are guiltless. If not what are you trying to say? Yo usay one thing and then you say another.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 If you are going to play this game....at least learn how to spell.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 What game?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 By definition, for something/someone to be infallible, it must lack falsehood. It is always true, never lies & is entirely consistent & coherent. Anyone who reads church history will see the exact opposite.
This 'infallibility' would also have to extend to each & every pope.Including the insane, rapists, child molesters, adulterers, pederasts, theives, overt liars. As they form the majority, they cannot be explained away.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 No. You must know and then give the definition of papal infallibilty. Then you can refute it. By claiming what you do, even if it were true, is still not a refutation of papal infallibility.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@19lfm12 You said you already reviewed the popes I mentioned, so then you can tell me what document and dispute Pope Hormisdas was involved in. Right? Or are you a liar? I think you're a liar. And a troll. Don't forget troll. That's a biggee.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 No....your 'faith' is in the Vatican & its Administrators. Sadly, they are the object of your loyalty & devotion.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 My faith is in God and in His Church that He gave to mankind.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 The 'Church' is neither a physical object, nor is it a global mega-comglomerate; the oldest & wealthiest on earth.
What Jesus founded is a spiritual family - in both Time & Eternity - of all those who believe in Him & try to live His teaching, as found in the Sermon on the Mount & Beatitudes. It owns not one building; not one penny.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 God brought a physical, objective manifestation of Himself to mankind for salvation, through Christ. But, you believe His Church is subjective and that it is only spiritual. Was Christ subjective and only spiritual? Is that what you're saying?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 The only physical manifestation of the Kingdom of God in this world is the physical bodies of those who compose it. This is why Jesus taught that one must search for it; as it is something of the spirit. Mystical. It is within you, if you will bother to look for it. Most do not & therefor are not of the Kingdom. It owns nothing & never did.
Jesus's Gospel is all about internal spirituality; not mere externals. Nor of a hierarchial hegemony.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 I already know about the Mystical Body of Christ. the Church teaches this. Maybe you should actually do some research instead of making up stories.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 The Roman Catholic Church organization is neither the Mystical Body of Christ, nor is the one exclusively the other. Nor is the former identical with the Catholic Faith; nor does it believe in it.
There are some individual Catholics who are of the Kingdom. There always have been some, but few.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 You obviously don't know any Catholic theology. the Mystical Body of Christ is in the Catechism. Look it up.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
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@19lfm12 -"When successors to the Apostles were chosen it was sometimes by acclamation of the laity; sometimes by collaborative consensus of all clerics."-
I want sources. And who are the clerics? By whom were they appointed and by what process and from what authority?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Did you actually LISTEN to this video? It opens with a man citing his repeated rape (some 200 times) at the hands of several priests.
I am personally aware of a brand new case of a cleric who is charged with abuse in at least FOUR US states!!! And of newly reported cases of past abuse in a very famous Cathedral.......where TWO candidates for sainthood resided, seemingly unaware of regular boy rape in their own rectory. The abuser: a close friend of the then Cardinal.....
19lfm12 1 year ago
Powerful always get away when it is their turn to face the music.
sano0311 1 year ago
in canada, a movie came out to address the abuse of the children, i will not name it so as to advertise it, but it shows little boys nude and one of of their penises--is this to support or to protest boy abuse---it goes on to show a grown male actually kissing the boys body and caressing him----canada has repeatedly supported this type of thing calling it art---there is a huge underground boy portitution ring in canada and it remains unaddressed in both media and the judicial system--very sic
SKERLOK 1 year ago
the preists are denied natural relations with women, then put in charge of children--if you follow the history of the catholic church, it was once pagan rome, the romans and the greeks back to babylon all had sex with little boys---its the same institution thatchanges names--afganistan it is legal to grab any little boy in the street and sodomize him to a brutal extent--boy molestation has been a part of history for thousands of years---the catholic isnt christian, that is merely the disguise
SKERLOK 1 year ago
fuck you catholic trash!
arkee71 1 year ago
My point of view is that children do tell there parents that they do not want to see there molesters or whoever, without going in detail what happened because they feel ashamed by the virtuous pedastal religion is put on in our society. Most parents are under the misguided teachings of the church and ship there kids off to church, same as public schools, same as friends houses, same as abusive relatives or neighbors with the misconception it is in the best interests of their child.
morlandoemtp 1 year ago
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morlandoemtp 1 year ago
Down with the church!
FlankerVT 1 year ago
i hate religion and the church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!this people make me sick
degauss22ro1 1 year ago
i hate religion and the church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!this people make me sick
degauss22ro1 1 year ago
mon the hoops, lol . Tim filth.
leonardbullhock 1 year ago
Why does the Pope get bullet proof glass? If he get's shot, it's "God's Will", it was what God wanted for the Pope.
superbri007 1 year ago
@superbri007 Nice try, but fatalism has no role whatsoever in Catholic theology. Really, your comment was almost clever.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
Try Christain would never do anything to harm another human being especailly not children. But the congregation keeps paying for the lawsuits to protect their petiphiles.
BlueRosa7 1 year ago
@BlueRosa7 petiphiles ? did they rape your dog ?
ParadoxapocalypSatan 1 year ago
Mark 7: 3 for the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands up to the elbow, holding fast the tradition of the men of former times, 4 and, when back from market, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves by sprinkling; and there are many other traditions that they have received to hold fast, baptisms of cups and pitchers and copper vessels;—
BlueRosa7 1 year ago
Mark 7: 5 so these Pharisees and scribes asked him: Why is it your disciples do not conduct themselves according to the tradition of the men of former times, but they take their meal with defiled hands? 6 He said to them:.. YOU hypocrites,
BlueRosa7 1 year ago
Do not you be called Rabbi; for one is your Master, and all you are brothers. And call no one on earth your father; for one is your Father, who is in heaven.—Matthew 23:1-10, New Catholic Edition of the Holy Bible.
BlueRosa7 1 year ago