I can't believe this douchebag. He actually needed to experience waterboarding (in controlled conditions) to come to the brilliant conclusion that DELIBERATE DROWNING is torture. What an idiot. This isn't brave at all, because actual waterboarding, which he once supported, can't be stopped as soon as you want it to. It keeps going whether you like it or not. You have to be exceptionally dim to see Hitchens as a role model.
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So.....you sympathize with convicted terrorists? Whether or not they have information - I don't know. But the people they might use this on ARE terrorists. I feel no pity for such people.
What's really sad about this is that we've known these things. This isn't new for us to know that waterboarding somebody is both horrible and useless. We shouldn't need Christopher Hitchens to point this out in 2008. This is the US military discarding common sense, disregarding human rights, and demonstrating that we're a very basic lifeform indeed no more civilized than those we continually criticize in other countries.
Although, I do appreciate Christopher doing this. Highlights his humanity.
Show me the proof! How many times Khalid Skeikh Mohammed was water boarded. If it worked so well why was it use so many times on him with little gain. You honestly think that bin laden was actually killed when they wouldn't prove it. If he is dead, how it was done was a act of war by breaking the bounds of a sovereign country. We are American and we have values but the Gov does not. The USA is walking down a dark road and we lost sight of our morals... Go back to sleep
@BigDenny1020 Funny how the men behind the torture trained and radicalized bin laden in the first place. I'm not defending extremists. I hate both war mongering Islamics and war mongering Americans but you don't seem to see both sides of the coin.
@BigDenny1020 Waterboarding can cause water to get into the lungs, which can lead to pneumonia. It can also cause hypoxia, where the brain is not getting enough oxygen. It can also cause a surge in stress hormones due to the sensation of drowning, which introduces the potential for heart attack. Not smart. Counterterrorism Chief John Brennan has said that waterboarding, to his knowledge, did not lead to killing Bin Laden. So which is it? And what's your source?
@BigDenny1020 Actually a lot of information is obtained through beating, electrocution, genital mutilation, and other forms of torture. The issue is not whether it led to useful information, the issue is whether it is torture or not, And it is, therefore our constitution forbids it.
@majed77sa From what I've learned on the internet is that nearly everyone is an asshole that isn't from the US, and we're suppose to be the bad ones. I always see rude and negative people coming from India, Malaysia, etc., but hardly do I see it coming from US, Canada or even UK.
keep in mind people being tortured are typically intelligence carriers that have been trained in counter interrogation techniques not liberal journalists
@bretta0z sure, bettcha a lot of people getting this treatment are secretely high-profile taliban spys from the international taliban spy agency and not some dude named jamal who picked up plastic explosives to ward off the invaders...
What idiotic comment. If somebody asks you if you want your "teeth pulled with a plier", you wouldn't do it? The very REASON for this experiment is that waterboarding is (or was) controversial. Pulling teeth is not controversial. Also, waterboarding is a modern torture practice precisely BECAUSE it is not obvious to anyone not undergoing it. Why did the commenter in the middle of this (at 5:34) not mention "Chinese water torture"? No, you idiot, all torture does not mean "the rack."
its torture saying it isnt is to insult my intelligence we are fighting barbarians. i dont want us to become what we are fighting. i am an american my family has been in this country since before it was a country, and i dont want this done in my name.
I was tortured like this at Kamp UCLA and 20 yrs later I am still in pain everyday. Please call David Feinberg and ask him to make it right with his Victims.
He makes $1.3 million and year and won't help this survivor. It is torture. I am taking my abusers to the London Courts if they'll have me, the Hague and Jersulem as well. Please help end toture. email dfeinberg@mednet.ucla.edu and let him know Torture in America is not acceptable.
The moron that suggested if he had asked christopher hitchens to pull off his finger nails, electricute him etc is too retarded to understand the reason you dont try those things is because of percieved knowledge that is going to cause severe pain. However with waterboarding, it is a relativly more unknown torture method, and also from looking at it, it would not appear to be as painful. He does not also recognise that torture can come in the form of physcological pain as well as physical pain.
@GriffinNary Yes that is a step to far, we know these terrorist in Gitmo are guilty but the people arrested for crimes here are not convicted yet. And terrorist aren't people so it's ok to waterboard them.
In fact as ex Air Force, let me tell you this Marc, in military POW training they have very effective and ingenious "tortures" to get personnel at least familiar with the concept of what could be experienced if caught and imprisoned. Try kneeling on a broom stick. It does no damage but it is as painful as fuck.
Water boarding has been dismissed as not being a torture by people like Thiessen, to justify it's use. It was dismissed as torture because it "doesn't do any physical damage or have a high risk of killing a person" so in being "safe" just "uncomfortable" Hitch said ok let's see how safe it is..that doesn't dismiss it as not being torture you idiot. I want to see Thiessen try it then see what that smug bastard says about it.Hitch you rock you always will rock
It's amazing that people try to justify stuff like this with the bible, I can say one thing tho the bible is right about the WHOLE WORLD being deceived, it is satan job to trick everybody and that's exactly what he does in the end. So how, what, and who is he using to do this? He creates situtations to get everyone to condone this type of behavior and all we are doing is slowly saling away our souls inch by inch until we have no real clue of right and wrong. Today's APPLE.... WAKE UP!
Marc Thiessen is a dumb ass who thinks whatever he says the definition of a word is is the definition of that word. Well guess what, Mark. A common sense definition of the word fucktard is Mark Thiessen. u c wat i did thar?
@sarsfieldusmc I know it's a four month old comment, but Christopher Hitchens said pretty much the same thing, hence this video here. Do you think he feels the same now?
To Matt Thiessen, your "common sense" definition of torture is BS because MANY people who've tried water-boarding have said afterwards that if they had known how bad it was, they would NOT have done it. SO FUCK OFF YOU SMUG DOUCHEBAG!!!
The thing is we don't torture! Right???? If they are doing this to someone,anyone, who's to say you or I aren't next? Its a bunch of crap to think this has only happened to the guilty. But you people with your delusions will never learn so continue to be ignorant. I wish I could be so blind...
For myself, I would prefer this 'torture' to anything else al Qaeda is using these days. No permanent damage, no risk of injury...just panic. I say use it. But the background music they played was downright inhumane.
1. Water boarding is not torture. Even if it was, it is in no way comparable to cutting off a man's head. I have seen that video and the difference is night & day. A child could see tell the difference 2. The US waterboarded a KNOWN terrorist who intentionally killed innocent women and children. Al Qaeda cut the head off a completely innocent man. Pretending that THEY don't understand the difference is simply playing into their hands. 'Useful idiots' is the term Stalin used. Congrats.
Being made to feel uncomfortable is not torture, pure and simple. If it was your child being held by a known terrorist, you'd think twice. If you didn't, then there is something seriously wrong with you.
Being made "uncomfortable"? LoL.. Talk about serious apologism for human rights violations. Let yourself be waterboarded first, then ill listen to what you have to say about it.
Your only argument here is that human rights should be put aside based on the emotional impulses of a moment. That is NOT how government is run in a democracy. It is however how government was run in Nazi-germany and in Soviet Russia. If you dont understand this, there is something seriously wrong with you.
The reason it is not defined as torture is the same reason people try to define human 'life' as beginning at some random point long after conception, it is a political definition to allow the people perpretrating it to do what they want. When someone has a preconcieved notion about something, tho, it really is pointless to have them do it then ask their opinion, they've already given their opinion and they can just stick to it, you can never know what they really experienced inside their head.
I agree. Whether this is characterized as torture or not is a side issue, a way for people to earn semantic victories without addressing the underlying moral issue, which is: Regardless of whether you call this "torture", under what circumstances is this activity morally justified?
That's the real issue, which Hitchens got to at the end, but it's too complex for most pundits, politicians and activists to invest much time in.
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Personally, I don't have a problem with it, if it works( I.E. you get reliable information) and if that is what you are asking. I'm surprised that it is really that effective, but drowning is a spooky thing. I would be interested to know if it has ever been fatal or if it is just a percieved danger. The world is a pretty rough and tumble place, anyone who doesn't like it can leave anytime they want to.
Yes, if it prevents the death of billions, of course. Or millions. Or thousands. Or hundreds. Or dozens. Or maybe even a few, or maybe even just one other, special, life.
People have done all sorts of unpleasant things in order to afford you the opportunity to judge them in comfort.
Good point still does not make it right though. Torture is not in the human makeup. Its an Evil act. As a child I looked at my grandfather who was a prison guard, I said " why would we kill a killer"? They did something wrong so were going to do it back to them to teach them its not right? As a ten year old I knew the hypocricy. I still believe it. We get more bee's with honey.
@kufr72 uhhh I think it's entirely morally justified if it is a KNOWN terrorist who has information that will stop the slaughter of innocents. But hey, if your 'high morality' is more important than innocent lives, then let other people do the dirty work so you can criticize them and pretend your hands are clean. Now go back to watching American Idol, and enjoy the sleep of the just.
@7NTBid What the hell are you talking about? Your response has nothing to do with the position that I stated, except for the fact that your first sentence is in exact agreement with what I said.
Torture is never justified, since the information accuried is unreliable...always.
People will tell you anything if you break them...anything to make it stop.
This is why torture is unreliable...
Like they said in reservoir dogs: "If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire! Now, that don't necessarily make it fucking so!"
I "stole" those lines from my opinion on torture as an information getting tool and reservoir dogs respectively...I even made a serrious typo in Hindsight..."accuried"...what the hell...
@Chrinik I don't think unreliability is the best argument because the reliability of the information will be tested regardless of whether it is reliable or not. If it is unreliable then it is merely a dead end. People can give you unreliable information even when not being tortured. The thing I find most repugnant is holding ourselves out to be so moral and the beacon of freedom, yet holding someone against their will to inflict agony on that person all in the furtherance of an unjust war.
@Chrinik "How do you know it´s the truth, if you don´t have proof already?"
Lots of claims are verifable. Maybe someone will lie the first time you waterboard, it's true that people will say anything to make the torture to stop, but if they know lying won't making the torture stop, then they won't lie. No person is unbreakable.
"And don´t you feel so good inside using Gestapo techniques?"
Not really. Torture is wrong, but people torture because it works.
@Chrinik: Now suppose you have a prisoner that might have information on an ambush your friends are about to walk into. You could save the lives of your friends by retrieving that information...
I will never vow in favour of torture, you're absolutely right in saying it's never justified. I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.
What if he´s just telling you bullshit to make it stop and make your guys run into the enemy anyway?
One part of special forces interrogation survival is only give the half-truth...and since you can´t be sure who served as what in what country prior to his action in the Insurgency...
Now suppose you just have some Farmer who doesn´t know Jackshit and you beat his kneecaps in for telling you the truth...
I'm a biologist so let me help you. Life starts at conception. If abortion is fine by you then keep voting for it. Plenty of people thought blacks were subhuman & that slavery was just fine....just some 'randon notion' I guess. Fortunately others could see more clearly. Some day the horror of abortion will end, and we'll look back and see that it was, in fact, more barbaric than slavery. But not now, not yet.
Rofl, I think you cut and pasted one of my comments from another vid. You, sir, are correct, well, in your 2nd sentence, but I'll take anything on youtube.
I could see them stopping most procedures someday, but not the 'abortion pill'.
#2 - life began over a billion years ago and has been evolving ever since.
#3 - some abortions are necessary after conception because the fetus will not survive no matter what and the mother could die if the fetus is not removed.
#4 - slavery was justified by God in the bible, including how to treat slaves and rape their wives "according to the law".
#5 - aborting a fetus is "more barbaric" than a lifetime of slavery and punishment? You're fucked up.
3. This is rare in the extreme, and exceptions would be made. There are >2 MM abortions a year in the US.
4. God did NOT justify ensavement of the black man.
5. Yes it IS more babaric because it is the taking of a life. A slave has hope, an aborted fetus has nothing. A child would know this. You are simply running with the liberal lemmings.Good luck with that.
- God/bible justified slavery of anyone who was not "his children". Period.
- Hope is for the mentally broken. Given the option of (A) never being born, vs (B) living a life as the majority of slaves have been treated throughout history...fuck that, I'd take never being born. Speak for yourself on that.
- If liberal or conservative is to be associated with the word "lemmings"...conservative fits the bill...following outdated dogma right back into the dark ages.
@TheHigherVoltage not all conservatives are religious. Not all conservatives are lemmings. Not all conservatives follow the lines of two party politics. Divided by ignorance we can never find peace. Abandoning outdated dogma is not a political party. This speaks to # 1 and 3. I am leaving #2 alone.
@Lovedesructo69 So when biblegod is ordering his people to slaughter whole towns, but keep the virgin girls and divide them like the rest of the loot - what are they, if not (sex) slaves? How about when biblegod says it's a-ok to buy slaves from neighboring towns, but not from their own towns? Or explains how to "properly" beat, keep and kill slaves without "sin"?
And why is it, Jesus never says "ok, enough with the slavery."? Why did it take people 1900 years later to declare slavery evil?
@7NTBid Let me help you rephrase that. You are not just a biologist, you are an arrogant and condescending biologist. There!: much more correct and truthful.
I would like to see one of these idiots who say that waterboarding "isn't torture", voluntarily undergo it themselves, and then post a vidio of it on YouTube.
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I don't want heart or back surgery but I would get it if necessary -- recovery from either one is far more painful than waterboarding. But the end justifies the means; same for waterboarding a KNOWN terrorist. They did it and got valuable information that saved countless lives. I love peopel who get on their moral high horse over this -- oh so concerned that they can 'sleep at night'. Well guess what....for every successful terriorist that we didn't WB -- the victim's blood is on YOUR hands.
You do realize that setting aside and compromising democratic principles and human rights is perhaps not the most useful way to go about? And comparing waterboarding to heart surgery is ludicrous.
It's really shortsighted of you If you really believe this is just about torturing "known" terrorists. What's happened here is that, a little while ago, you had the assurance that if you were wrongfully accused of something, you would not be tortured or sent to some secret prison over it. Now you don't. The terrorists have taken that from you, all because there's people like you that can't safeguard their rights.
Just being strapped to a board, blind folded and having a towel over your face without using water is torture. This method has been tested enough times to prove that it is a level of torture. What more is there to debate as to it being torture or not. It is torture. Period. Only an unthinking idiot would debate that it isn't torture.
well if you look at the torture convention the definition of torture is " the infliction of intense physical pain." water boarding has been proven to not cause pain only fear because you believe you are drowning and cannot breathe. since it technically isn't inflicting pain it shouldn't be classified as torture. research the torture convention if you don't believe me i just did a research project on it so my information is pretty accurate
Emotional pain is often more complex than physical pain but it is equally excruciating to deal with. Emotional pain has indicators that identify where the pain comes from. Neglecting to understand mind/body connections does not equal absence of pain. PTSD is excruciatingly painful. The effects can last a lifetime. The correlation between physical and emotional pain is real. Physical pain can affect your life and pull you down, so too can emotional pain. Their definition needs to be updated.
The "he wouldn't subject himself to having his teeth pulled out" argument is completely wrong. Waterboarding is torture, no ifs, ands, or buts.
A more apt comparison for a voluntary waterboarding demonstration than pulled teeth would be a thumbscrew screwed on slowly where the administrator of the technique would release the tension as soon as the victim wanted him to.
A waterboarding demonstration administered by friendlies where the subject is ultimately in control isn't the real deal.
The point made about SERE is false, they don't teach people how to do waterboarding, they subject officers in training to the method in order to train them to resist it.
Hitchen's is officially more hardcore to me now. As far as the issue, of course it's fucking torture, we have drugs that could get the truth out of detainees don't ask me why we just like to torture people.
i did it with my bro but i didnt strap my self down i just put towl on face and pored water on It Is Horrible even with out all the stuff they had him do lay down on board and crap
I tired it too without being strapped down. My first instant was to jump up as if I had no control over my body. It was just instant panic. I suggest Bush try it.
Personally, I'd like to see it done with Cheney, WITHOUT the safeword or objects to drop, kinda the way it was done to those really being waterboarded.
well, as an Air Force Officer, He probably did try it, its a necessary part of SERE (Survival, Evasion, Rescue, and Escape) training that you are subjected to 24 hours of being a simulated POW in which being subjected to waterboarding is a main part of. It does no permanent physical damage and we subject our own soldiers to it as a method of training. It is technically torture, but I believe it is an acceptable form of it. Our enemies have no reservations against more barbaric methods.
i'm aware of that, but we don't torture our soldiers, we train them to prepare for torture. agree? if waterboarding isn't so potentially devastating, there will be no need for the training. you and i both know that waterboarding is literally drowning so there exist a difference between limited drowning for training purposes and drowning to elicit information. i'm glad you modified damage with "physical", because it def causes permanent mental damage.
by the way, i actually don't care about it since, out of all possible tortures, waterboarding is the most mild. i say waterboard 'em, but hate it when slick politicians try to spin it as anything less than torture; that simply
I like your comment and just wanted to say that their actions should not be used to justify out own, in the sense that, oh, if they treat us like this, we can treat them like that. If we treat them with respect they cannot hope to continue to convince themselves to act with violence, they have no justification.
He lasted longer than Mancow. Mancow is a conservative radio host so he had a point to prove but he lasted only like 6 seconds. Mancow constantly said that it wasn't torture then once he had it done he said that it was torture. Hmm, could it maybe be that it IS torture?
My friends and I thought the same thing, we gave it a shot (using the video as a reference) it is horrible, and we surely we were no where near as skilled as the people in the video.
I intend to. And I intend to put the whole thing on YouTube. Of course, I have an unfair advantage. I actually know what it's like to be stuck underwater for real and unable to breathe. This weak crap should be cake.
If you think Christ is right in any of his words, Please think of the fellow who jumped from the Twin towers to his dead or stay with the building and go to his death. Give me any water board and not the choice of jumping from the twin towers. Also I wisherd that Christ would be able to interview the fellow who jumped to his death. The water boarding was to stopping any more of the twin towers choices of the fellow who jumped. Give me water board anyday and not the choice of jumping from towers.
Hey Marc Thiessen, since you don't think it's torture, why don't YOU try it and share your experience? Oh, you don't want to? Then it MUST be torture then, since you don't want to try. See the hypocrisy?
I think Dick Cheney should be waterboarded every day for every day this practice was used. If you weren't a terrorist before and you were treated like this, what are the odds you would do Anything to get back at your torturers?
Really, I've seen REAL water bordeing. They tie you up in a pool where you're just about under whater. Then, thease guys poor water all over you. Usally, you're only whereing a bikkini or swim trunks. THAT"S REAL WATER BORDEING PEOPLE!!!
Mark Thiessen is an idiot. It's still torture. It's just one of the few that doesn't leave permanent damage. Why would you try something that would leave permanent damage? That's a terrible comparison.
"The technique does not inevitably cause lasting physical damage. It can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage or, if uninterrupted, death.[3] Adverse physical consequences can start manifesting months after the event; psychological effects can last for years."
Of course is not torture! I do this game with my friends all the time!
Waterboarding use is considered a form of torture by legal experts,[3][4] politicians, war veterans,[5][6] medical experts in the treatment of torture victims,[7][8] intelligence officials,[9] military judges,[10] and human rights organizations.[11][12]
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Convict - 9886635574: You bring disgrace & dishonor to your parents. This is why you post coments under your dept. of corrections' number. Be careful Sister as not to violate the conditions of your parole.
ElHombreConDosOjos, I'm willing to bet you have never met 99.99% of fans of Hitchens, so your decision to label all of them is based entirely - entirely - on the deposits of a bull's healthy dinner.
if you're so tough then how about you make a video of you doing it. the feeling of drowning is considered one of the most terrifying ways to die. It does not put you into shock the way intense pain injuries do. you're very much alive for a while, you can't breath, every gasp for air is just water filling your lungs. after they have filled you just slowly die knowing you're dying and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
I have trouble even watching people go through it. They aired that clip of that radio personality guy, the staunch conservative, on Countdown and I couldn't watch it or the clips of the military doing it. How anyone could willingly put themselves through this is beyond me.
How is whether this is torture or not still even a discussion people could be having? It is. That much is obvious. It's disgusting that it was considered a viable means of getting information.
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I can't believe this douchebag. He actually needed to experience waterboarding (in controlled conditions) to come to the brilliant conclusion that DELIBERATE DROWNING is torture. What an idiot. This isn't brave at all, because actual waterboarding, which he once supported, can't be stopped as soon as you want it to. It keeps going whether you like it or not. You have to be exceptionally dim to see Hitchens as a role model.
warmongerpro 1 month ago
Of everyone waterboarded, he had the nicest shoes.
Rhythmicons 1 month ago
why do they have music, is it to make it more intence?
PersianinSweden 1 month ago
penis
RareRachael 1 month ago
Christopher Hitchens is dead.
lelaine90000 1 month ago
@lelaine90000 Indeed, he is :(
RIP
tompen6 1 month ago
This video is somewhat depressing...
MrBoogaloo23 1 month ago
hey now gravity of love is fucking awesome
RakiePK 1 month ago
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Your such a pussy. only 15 seconds. you are a bitch. BITCH.
TheSabrel2 2 months ago
@TheSabrel2 Record a video of yourself being water boarded and we'll see who's the bitch
tomisinakatkid 2 months ago 3
The song being played is "Gravity of Love" by Enigma.
Vagitarian01 2 months ago
TAKE THAT YOU GODLESS HEATHEN
Madfoot713 2 months ago
Something about Christopher Hitchens reminds me of Robert Downey Jr or more to the point Robert Downey Jr when he plays Tony Stark.
Dantheon 2 months ago
LOL that music is so random. I love that song though.
cmonutube 2 months ago
I'd prefer to watch Peter Hitchens be tortured to be honest.
captainpanic08 2 months ago
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So.....you sympathize with convicted terrorists? Whether or not they have information - I don't know. But the people they might use this on ARE terrorists. I feel no pity for such people.
skidude9800 2 months ago
That music is torture enough, never mind the waterboarding.
RobNickel001 2 months ago 26
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lol you're really funny
TheTalyn08 2 months ago
What's really sad about this is that we've known these things. This isn't new for us to know that waterboarding somebody is both horrible and useless. We shouldn't need Christopher Hitchens to point this out in 2008. This is the US military discarding common sense, disregarding human rights, and demonstrating that we're a very basic lifeform indeed no more civilized than those we continually criticize in other countries.
Although, I do appreciate Christopher doing this. Highlights his humanity.
gvdan8 2 months ago 13
@gvdan8 Funny how it's useless when the info used to hunt down and kill bin Laden came directly from enhanced interrogations....
BigDenny1020 1 month ago
Bigdenny
Show me the proof! How many times Khalid Skeikh Mohammed was water boarded. If it worked so well why was it use so many times on him with little gain. You honestly think that bin laden was actually killed when they wouldn't prove it. If he is dead, how it was done was a act of war by breaking the bounds of a sovereign country. We are American and we have values but the Gov does not. The USA is walking down a dark road and we lost sight of our morals... Go back to sleep
DeisisAndDrosera 1 month ago
@DeisisAndDrosera So you're saying we shouldn't have gone in and killed bin Laden? Are you nuts?
BigDenny1020 1 month ago
@BigDenny1020 Funny how the men behind the torture trained and radicalized bin laden in the first place. I'm not defending extremists. I hate both war mongering Islamics and war mongering Americans but you don't seem to see both sides of the coin.
Wretbornify 1 month ago
@BigDenny1020 Prove it. Provide a link or shut your mouth.
gvdan8 1 month ago
@BigDenny1020 Waterboarding can cause water to get into the lungs, which can lead to pneumonia. It can also cause hypoxia, where the brain is not getting enough oxygen. It can also cause a surge in stress hormones due to the sensation of drowning, which introduces the potential for heart attack. Not smart. Counterterrorism Chief John Brennan has said that waterboarding, to his knowledge, did not lead to killing Bin Laden. So which is it? And what's your source?
gvdan8 3 weeks ago
@BigDenny1020 Actually a lot of information is obtained through beating, electrocution, genital mutilation, and other forms of torture. The issue is not whether it led to useful information, the issue is whether it is torture or not, And it is, therefore our constitution forbids it.
Legacy285 1 week ago
Lol
JeffsiHelp 3 months ago
PKA
MrLFCJack 3 months ago
PKA
ISUBANY11 3 months ago
fuck US
majed77sa 3 months ago
@majed77sa From what I've learned on the internet is that nearly everyone is an asshole that isn't from the US, and we're suppose to be the bad ones. I always see rude and negative people coming from India, Malaysia, etc., but hardly do I see it coming from US, Canada or even UK.
Comeback64 3 months ago
@Comeback64 I almost bit that troll bait. No one's this stupid.
DisembowelMe 3 months ago
@DisembowelMe
he's right
rickdlol 2 months ago
@majed77sa you and who
MegaGod2 3 months ago
That's it?! I could handle way more...
elitedefense72 4 months ago
keep in mind people being tortured are typically intelligence carriers that have been trained in counter interrogation techniques not liberal journalists
bretta0z 4 months ago
@bretta0z sure, bettcha a lot of people getting this treatment are secretely high-profile taliban spys from the international taliban spy agency and not some dude named jamal who picked up plastic explosives to ward off the invaders...
Chrinik 4 months ago
the bird is the word
masterofcola 5 months ago 2
lol.. what a stupid comment at the end.. of course you wouldn't try those things.. people already know how much it hurts..
kaleigh79 5 months ago
What idiotic comment. If somebody asks you if you want your "teeth pulled with a plier", you wouldn't do it? The very REASON for this experiment is that waterboarding is (or was) controversial. Pulling teeth is not controversial. Also, waterboarding is a modern torture practice precisely BECAUSE it is not obvious to anyone not undergoing it. Why did the commenter in the middle of this (at 5:34) not mention "Chinese water torture"? No, you idiot, all torture does not mean "the rack."
desertpair2 6 months ago
And America still does this!
mwillis1000 6 months ago
"Gravity of Love," eh? Interesting choice in music. I will always think of torture now upon hearing this.
undisputedgreatest 7 months ago in playlist The Four Horsemen: Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens & Dennett
its torture saying it isnt is to insult my intelligence we are fighting barbarians. i dont want us to become what we are fighting. i am an american my family has been in this country since before it was a country, and i dont want this done in my name.
MrWayne1701 7 months ago
"what a pussy!" u try straping ur self down to a tabel with a bag over ur head and get someone to pour water in ur face and then u see whos the pussy
MaysBoys96 7 months ago
what a pussy!
2112Metal 8 months ago
free thinker my ass!
2112Metal 8 months ago
The song is the worst torture. Also guys in dockers and masks scare the shit out of me.
Pbinder1981 8 months ago
@Pbinder1981 laughed so hard my belly hurt...thanks...
TheNarcoleptica 7 months ago
The song is the worst torture
Pbinder1981 8 months ago
I was tortured like this at Kamp UCLA and 20 yrs later I am still in pain everyday. Please call David Feinberg and ask him to make it right with his Victims.
He makes $1.3 million and year and won't help this survivor. It is torture. I am taking my abusers to the London Courts if they'll have me, the Hague and Jersulem as well. Please help end toture. email dfeinberg@mednet.ucla.edu and let him know Torture in America is not acceptable.
Trevor Hitchin
trevor.hitchin@gmail.com
Please
thitchin 9 months ago
The moron that suggested if he had asked christopher hitchens to pull off his finger nails, electricute him etc is too retarded to understand the reason you dont try those things is because of percieved knowledge that is going to cause severe pain. However with waterboarding, it is a relativly more unknown torture method, and also from looking at it, it would not appear to be as painful. He does not also recognise that torture can come in the form of physcological pain as well as physical pain.
petem2010 9 months ago
Has Thiessen ever been waterboarded? And if not, why not?
Maybe he should change his definition to "If OTHER people are willing to try it, it's not torture!".
vjnctn 9 months ago
To all those people that seem to think waterboarding is reasonable.
Why don't you apply it to those persons arrested on suspicion of other crimes within your country?
Or is that a step too far for you?
GriffinNary 11 months ago
@GriffinNary Yes that is a step to far, we know these terrorist in Gitmo are guilty but the people arrested for crimes here are not convicted yet. And terrorist aren't people so it's ok to waterboard them.
macy725 10 months ago
In fact as ex Air Force, let me tell you this Marc, in military POW training they have very effective and ingenious "tortures" to get personnel at least familiar with the concept of what could be experienced if caught and imprisoned. Try kneeling on a broom stick. It does no damage but it is as painful as fuck.
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eahazell 1 year ago
Water boarding has been dismissed as not being a torture by people like Thiessen, to justify it's use. It was dismissed as torture because it "doesn't do any physical damage or have a high risk of killing a person" so in being "safe" just "uncomfortable" Hitch said ok let's see how safe it is..that doesn't dismiss it as not being torture you idiot. I want to see Thiessen try it then see what that smug bastard says about it.Hitch you rock you always will rock
eahazell 1 year ago
Yeah, drowning somebody slowly isn't torture.....
CRISNCHIPS12398 1 year ago
It's amazing that people try to justify stuff like this with the bible, I can say one thing tho the bible is right about the WHOLE WORLD being deceived, it is satan job to trick everybody and that's exactly what he does in the end. So how, what, and who is he using to do this? He creates situtations to get everyone to condone this type of behavior and all we are doing is slowly saling away our souls inch by inch until we have no real clue of right and wrong. Today's APPLE.... WAKE UP!
chriscarter1225 1 year ago
@chriscarter1225 /facepalm SMH.
mistereveready 1 year ago
Marc Thiessen is a dumb ass who thinks whatever he says the definition of a word is is the definition of that word. Well guess what, Mark. A common sense definition of the word fucktard is Mark Thiessen. u c wat i did thar?
KatakiUchiha 1 year ago
Marc Thiessen On the Waterboard NOW Biatch!!!
graphattic 1 year ago
if they
a. arnt causing permanet damage or severly hurting them
b. saving lives
i dont care if they are waterboarding or not.
sarsfieldusmc 1 year ago
@sarsfieldusmc I know it's a four month old comment, but Christopher Hitchens said pretty much the same thing, hence this video here. Do you think he feels the same now?
ArchangelSteve 1 year ago
This is what the USA (CIA/NSA, etc) considers legal. Is this moral?????
Obamaownswhitesnow 1 year ago
Christopher, this should be done each day, first thing in the morning.
cjavysanchez13 1 year ago
*Takes out "Utter Incociderate, Unthoughtful, Idiotic Wankers; The Complete List"*
*Writes down; "Mark Thiessen"*
Kan2209 1 year ago
Marc Thiessen. What an idiot.
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago 3
Lol Theissen...
Whipping and chaining somebody up isn´t torture then, since there´s alot of people who do it as a sexual fetish...right?
How about I chain you up and whip you into submission you stupid liberal patriotic prick.
You´d tell me you´ve been a bed-wetter until you where in Highschool or whatever.
Chrinik 1 year ago 4
marc theissen is a dishonest fucking asshole.
charles030981 1 year ago
To Matt Thiessen, your "common sense" definition of torture is BS because MANY people who've tried water-boarding have said afterwards that if they had known how bad it was, they would NOT have done it. SO FUCK OFF YOU SMUG DOUCHEBAG!!!
0Oclockmusic 1 year ago 2
Ok Marc Thiessen, DOUCHE!!!, let's re-define 'torture' as : ANYTHING THAT CAN GIVE YOU NIGHTMARES LATER! how's that for a definition ASSMUNCHER!!!
0Oclockmusic 1 year ago
Marc Thiessen, why don't you go get waterboarded FUCKIN FASCIST PRICK!!!
0Oclockmusic 1 year ago
The thing is we don't torture! Right???? If they are doing this to someone,anyone, who's to say you or I aren't next? Its a bunch of crap to think this has only happened to the guilty. But you people with your delusions will never learn so continue to be ignorant. I wish I could be so blind...
MrBabble28 1 year ago
Wow ooosteve whatever is making you that stupid it's really working! Congrats! Keep it up.
mordanai 1 year ago
oh suck it up your cry babies!
torture the fuck out of those assholes to get the info in my oppinion! the water is nothing compared to what i would do!
ooosteve 1 year ago
The spanish inquisition was probably the first one we know of to use waterboarding.
hefnasty99 1 year ago
"Is that the porpoise-like figure." Nice self-deprecating sense of humour.
choppedlogic 2 years ago
For myself, I would prefer this 'torture' to anything else al Qaeda is using these days. No permanent damage, no risk of injury...just panic. I say use it. But the background music they played was downright inhumane.
7NTBid 2 years ago
If you have a right to use torture then they have a right to cut off heads off soldiers.
Pseudologic 1 year ago
1. Water boarding is not torture. Even if it was, it is in no way comparable to cutting off a man's head. I have seen that video and the difference is night & day. A child could see tell the difference 2. The US waterboarded a KNOWN terrorist who intentionally killed innocent women and children. Al Qaeda cut the head off a completely innocent man. Pretending that THEY don't understand the difference is simply playing into their hands. 'Useful idiots' is the term Stalin used. Congrats.
7NTBid 1 year ago
@7NTBid You think they only waterboarded one guy? Come on. Second, let yourself be waterboarded and then tell us it is not torture.
hefnasty99 1 year ago
Being made to feel uncomfortable is not torture, pure and simple. If it was your child being held by a known terrorist, you'd think twice. If you didn't, then there is something seriously wrong with you.
7NTBid 1 year ago
Being made "uncomfortable"? LoL.. Talk about serious apologism for human rights violations. Let yourself be waterboarded first, then ill listen to what you have to say about it.
hefnasty99 1 year ago
Your only argument here is that human rights should be put aside based on the emotional impulses of a moment. That is NOT how government is run in a democracy. It is however how government was run in Nazi-germany and in Soviet Russia. If you dont understand this, there is something seriously wrong with you.
hefnasty99 1 year ago
@7NTBid Actually, it was Lenin who used the therm Useful Idiots.
hefnasty99 1 year ago
@hefnasty99 nope, lenin never used it either (or if he did, it was never recorded)
warmongerpro 1 week ago
The reason it is not defined as torture is the same reason people try to define human 'life' as beginning at some random point long after conception, it is a political definition to allow the people perpretrating it to do what they want. When someone has a preconcieved notion about something, tho, it really is pointless to have them do it then ask their opinion, they've already given their opinion and they can just stick to it, you can never know what they really experienced inside their head.
l337pwnage 2 years ago
I agree. Whether this is characterized as torture or not is a side issue, a way for people to earn semantic victories without addressing the underlying moral issue, which is: Regardless of whether you call this "torture", under what circumstances is this activity morally justified?
That's the real issue, which Hitchens got to at the end, but it's too complex for most pundits, politicians and activists to invest much time in.
kufr72 2 years ago
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Personally, I don't have a problem with it, if it works( I.E. you get reliable information) and if that is what you are asking. I'm surprised that it is really that effective, but drowning is a spooky thing. I would be interested to know if it has ever been fatal or if it is just a percieved danger. The world is a pretty rough and tumble place, anyone who doesn't like it can leave anytime they want to.
l337pwnage 2 years ago
@kufr72 , your answer is in your question. Torture. We never torture. If its torture its not justified. Can you justify it?
Omegatide 1 year ago
Yes, if it prevents the death of billions, of course. Or millions. Or thousands. Or hundreds. Or dozens. Or maybe even a few, or maybe even just one other, special, life.
People have done all sorts of unpleasant things in order to afford you the opportunity to judge them in comfort.
kufr72 1 year ago
Good point still does not make it right though. Torture is not in the human makeup. Its an Evil act. As a child I looked at my grandfather who was a prison guard, I said " why would we kill a killer"? They did something wrong so were going to do it back to them to teach them its not right? As a ten year old I knew the hypocricy. I still believe it. We get more bee's with honey.
Omegatide 1 year ago
You kill the killer so they don't kill again.
Pseudologic 1 year ago
@Pseudologic , that sounds perpetual.
Around and around we go.
Omegatide 1 year ago
@kufr72 Yeah, but dismantling democracy was not one of them.
hefnasty99 1 year ago
@kufr72 uhhh I think it's entirely morally justified if it is a KNOWN terrorist who has information that will stop the slaughter of innocents. But hey, if your 'high morality' is more important than innocent lives, then let other people do the dirty work so you can criticize them and pretend your hands are clean. Now go back to watching American Idol, and enjoy the sleep of the just.
7NTBid 1 year ago
@7NTBid What the hell are you talking about? Your response has nothing to do with the position that I stated, except for the fact that your first sentence is in exact agreement with what I said.
kufr72 1 year ago
@7NTBid
Torture is never justified, since the information accuried is unreliable...always.
People will tell you anything if you break them...anything to make it stop.
This is why torture is unreliable...
Like they said in reservoir dogs: "If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire! Now, that don't necessarily make it fucking so!"
Chrinik 1 year ago 53
@Chrinik Right on. You are absolutely correct.
Hitchens has balls!
undisputedgreatest 7 months ago in playlist The Four Horsemen: Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens & Dennett
@Chrinik
You totally stole those lines from that documentary about Abu Gharaib.
ajnode 4 months ago
@ajnode What documentation?
I "stole" those lines from my opinion on torture as an information getting tool and reservoir dogs respectively...I even made a serrious typo in Hindsight..."accuried"...what the hell...
Also, the post is a year old...
Chrinik 4 months ago
@ajnode they probably sound familiar because its common knowledge...
Chrinik 4 months ago
@Chrinik
You should watch the doco then.
ajnode 4 months ago
@Chrinik I don't think unreliability is the best argument because the reliability of the information will be tested regardless of whether it is reliable or not. If it is unreliable then it is merely a dead end. People can give you unreliable information even when not being tortured. The thing I find most repugnant is holding ourselves out to be so moral and the beacon of freedom, yet holding someone against their will to inflict agony on that person all in the furtherance of an unjust war.
marinegrunt0341 4 months ago
@Chrinik Bullshit. Then you torture them again and again until they tell you the truth.
I'm not saying we should torture, but saying it doesn't work is bullshit.
Madfoot713 2 months ago
@Madfoot713 How do you know it´s the truth, if you don´t have proof already?
And if you have proof already, why torture him?
And don´t you feel so good inside using Gestapo techniques?
The Nazis would aprove XD
Chrinik 2 months ago
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@Chrinik "How do you know it´s the truth, if you don´t have proof already?"
Lots of claims are verifable. Maybe someone will lie the first time you waterboard, it's true that people will say anything to make the torture to stop, but if they know lying won't making the torture stop, then they won't lie. No person is unbreakable.
"And don´t you feel so good inside using Gestapo techniques?"
Not really. Torture is wrong, but people torture because it works.
Madfoot713 2 months ago
@Chrinik Yeah, movies are lessons on real life.. especially new ones.
deadheadbiker 2 months ago
@deadheadbiker It was a quote that served the purpose and accentuated what I meant, that´s how quotes work.
Chrinik 2 months ago
@Chrinik: Now suppose you have a prisoner that might have information on an ambush your friends are about to walk into. You could save the lives of your friends by retrieving that information...
I will never vow in favour of torture, you're absolutely right in saying it's never justified. I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.
Hagdos3 2 months ago
@Hagdos3 so what?
What if he´s just telling you bullshit to make it stop and make your guys run into the enemy anyway?
One part of special forces interrogation survival is only give the half-truth...and since you can´t be sure who served as what in what country prior to his action in the Insurgency...
Now suppose you just have some Farmer who doesn´t know Jackshit and you beat his kneecaps in for telling you the truth...
Hearts and Minds for sure.
Chrinik 2 months ago
@Chrinik Plus it's deeply immoral. You've got to decide who's the "bad guy".
Nr37124 2 months ago
@7NTBid
"uhhh I think it's entirely morally justified if it is a KNOWN terrorist who has information that will stop the slaughter of innocents. "
So, using your logic its completely moral to waterboard american soldiers in iraq.
"But hey, if your 'high morality' is more important than innocent lives"
Spitting in the face of your Founding Fathers, moron.
Szgerle 1 year ago
I'm a biologist so let me help you. Life starts at conception. If abortion is fine by you then keep voting for it. Plenty of people thought blacks were subhuman & that slavery was just fine....just some 'randon notion' I guess. Fortunately others could see more clearly. Some day the horror of abortion will end, and we'll look back and see that it was, in fact, more barbaric than slavery. But not now, not yet.
7NTBid 1 year ago
Rofl, I think you cut and pasted one of my comments from another vid. You, sir, are correct, well, in your 2nd sentence, but I'll take anything on youtube.
I could see them stopping most procedures someday, but not the 'abortion pill'.
l337pwnage 1 year ago
@7NTBid
#1 - waterboarding is torture.
#2 - life began over a billion years ago and has been evolving ever since.
#3 - some abortions are necessary after conception because the fetus will not survive no matter what and the mother could die if the fetus is not removed.
#4 - slavery was justified by God in the bible, including how to treat slaves and rape their wives "according to the law".
#5 - aborting a fetus is "more barbaric" than a lifetime of slavery and punishment? You're fucked up.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago 4
1. No, it is not.
2. And this is apropos of what?
3. This is rare in the extreme, and exceptions would be made. There are >2 MM abortions a year in the US.
4. God did NOT justify ensavement of the black man.
5. Yes it IS more babaric because it is the taking of a life. A slave has hope, an aborted fetus has nothing. A child would know this. You are simply running with the liberal lemmings.Good luck with that.
7NTBid 1 year ago
- God/bible justified slavery of anyone who was not "his children". Period.
- Hope is for the mentally broken. Given the option of (A) never being born, vs (B) living a life as the majority of slaves have been treated throughout history...fuck that, I'd take never being born. Speak for yourself on that.
- If liberal or conservative is to be associated with the word "lemmings"...conservative fits the bill...following outdated dogma right back into the dark ages.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago 9
@TheHigherVoltage not all conservatives are religious. Not all conservatives are lemmings. Not all conservatives follow the lines of two party politics. Divided by ignorance we can never find peace. Abandoning outdated dogma is not a political party. This speaks to # 1 and 3. I am leaving #2 alone.
TheNarcoleptica 7 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage stupid your twisting it around the bible never says its ok to enslave some1 ok
Lovedesructo69 5 months ago
@Lovedesructo69 So when biblegod is ordering his people to slaughter whole towns, but keep the virgin girls and divide them like the rest of the loot - what are they, if not (sex) slaves? How about when biblegod says it's a-ok to buy slaves from neighboring towns, but not from their own towns? Or explains how to "properly" beat, keep and kill slaves without "sin"?
And why is it, Jesus never says "ok, enough with the slavery."? Why did it take people 1900 years later to declare slavery evil?
TheHigherVoltage 5 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage dude i dont know what bible you read but you need to stop. And why would you read if you dont know what the heck your tlking about?
Lovedesructo69 5 months ago
@Lovedesructo69 Read Deuteronomy.
TheHigherVoltage 5 months ago
@Lovedesructo69
Wow, if you honestly believe the Bible "never says it's OK to enslave someone" then you are delusional .
MyPhysics101 5 months ago
@7NTBid Let me help you rephrase that. You are not just a biologist, you are an arrogant and condescending biologist. There!: much more correct and truthful.
hefnasty99 1 year ago
Nope...I'm just right.
7NTBid 1 year ago
I would like to see one of these idiots who say that waterboarding "isn't torture", voluntarily undergo it themselves, and then post a vidio of it on YouTube.
SinnFein4ever 2 years ago
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I don't want heart or back surgery but I would get it if necessary -- recovery from either one is far more painful than waterboarding. But the end justifies the means; same for waterboarding a KNOWN terrorist. They did it and got valuable information that saved countless lives. I love peopel who get on their moral high horse over this -- oh so concerned that they can 'sleep at night'. Well guess what....for every successful terriorist that we didn't WB -- the victim's blood is on YOUR hands.
7NTBid 1 year ago
You do realize that setting aside and compromising democratic principles and human rights is perhaps not the most useful way to go about? And comparing waterboarding to heart surgery is ludicrous.
hefnasty99 1 year ago 2
It's really shortsighted of you If you really believe this is just about torturing "known" terrorists. What's happened here is that, a little while ago, you had the assurance that if you were wrongfully accused of something, you would not be tortured or sent to some secret prison over it. Now you don't. The terrorists have taken that from you, all because there's people like you that can't safeguard their rights.
ggp953 1 year ago 3
@7NTBid:
Those people who KNOW the terrorists... aren´t they the same who KNEW about the weapons of mass destruction to be found in Iraq?
chewwy2905 1 year ago
@chewwy2905
No, the person who "knew" about the WMDs in Iraq is now the prime minister there...
He was a former second in command of Hussein and had to flee the country when he had a fight with his boss.
Chrinik 1 year ago
Just being strapped to a board, blind folded and having a towel over your face without using water is torture. This method has been tested enough times to prove that it is a level of torture. What more is there to debate as to it being torture or not. It is torture. Period. Only an unthinking idiot would debate that it isn't torture.
halhelmboldt 2 years ago
well if you look at the torture convention the definition of torture is " the infliction of intense physical pain." water boarding has been proven to not cause pain only fear because you believe you are drowning and cannot breathe. since it technically isn't inflicting pain it shouldn't be classified as torture. research the torture convention if you don't believe me i just did a research project on it so my information is pretty accurate
ojsimpson007 2 years ago
Emotional pain is often more complex than physical pain but it is equally excruciating to deal with. Emotional pain has indicators that identify where the pain comes from. Neglecting to understand mind/body connections does not equal absence of pain. PTSD is excruciatingly painful. The effects can last a lifetime. The correlation between physical and emotional pain is real. Physical pain can affect your life and pull you down, so too can emotional pain. Their definition needs to be updated.
halhelmboldt 2 years ago
@ojsimpson007 At last someone with some common sense!
7NTBid 1 year ago
Thiessen's argument carries the seeds of it's own destruction.
"If you're willing to see what it feels like, then it's not torture"
Well, the simply response to that, Mr Thiessen, is "Why don't YOU try it?"
If you don't want to, then you must consider it torture.
If you do try it, judging from Hitchens' reaction, it looks like you won't be long in claiming that it 'is' torture.
samsonlovesyou 2 years ago 2
The "he wouldn't subject himself to having his teeth pulled out" argument is completely wrong. Waterboarding is torture, no ifs, ands, or buts.
A more apt comparison for a voluntary waterboarding demonstration than pulled teeth would be a thumbscrew screwed on slowly where the administrator of the technique would release the tension as soon as the victim wanted him to.
A waterboarding demonstration administered by friendlies where the subject is ultimately in control isn't the real deal.
bowlsallbroken 2 years ago 2
The point made about SERE is false, they don't teach people how to do waterboarding, they subject officers in training to the method in order to train them to resist it.
Wraithofvolsunga 2 years ago
I am certain it IS torture, otherwise people wouldn't disclose secrets.
As for the fingernail/tooth argument. Few would volunteer to that because you continue to suffer after opting out.
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
Hitchen's is officially more hardcore to me now. As far as the issue, of course it's fucking torture, we have drugs that could get the truth out of detainees don't ask me why we just like to torture people.
explosivedoubt 2 years ago
what is he trying to prove?
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
He's not proving anything. He's making people aware of what is involved, and seeing as you have seen this video I suspect he is doing a good job.
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
that was weak. use a wet towel (without the mask) and pour the liquid continuously.
muaytb1 2 years ago
i did it with my bro but i didnt strap my self down i just put towl on face and pored water on It Is Horrible even with out all the stuff they had him do lay down on board and crap
dfhvgasy 2 years ago
I tired it too without being strapped down. My first instant was to jump up as if I had no control over my body. It was just instant panic. I suggest Bush try it.
muaytb1 2 years ago
"I suggest Bush try it"
Personally, I'd like to see it done with Cheney, WITHOUT the safeword or objects to drop, kinda the way it was done to those really being waterboarded.
xephyr1000 2 years ago
well, as an Air Force Officer, He probably did try it, its a necessary part of SERE (Survival, Evasion, Rescue, and Escape) training that you are subjected to 24 hours of being a simulated POW in which being subjected to waterboarding is a main part of. It does no permanent physical damage and we subject our own soldiers to it as a method of training. It is technically torture, but I believe it is an acceptable form of it. Our enemies have no reservations against more barbaric methods.
Wraithofvolsunga 2 years ago
i'm aware of that, but we don't torture our soldiers, we train them to prepare for torture. agree? if waterboarding isn't so potentially devastating, there will be no need for the training. you and i both know that waterboarding is literally drowning so there exist a difference between limited drowning for training purposes and drowning to elicit information. i'm glad you modified damage with "physical", because it def causes permanent mental damage.
muaytb1 2 years ago
by the way, i actually don't care about it since, out of all possible tortures, waterboarding is the most mild. i say waterboard 'em, but hate it when slick politicians try to spin it as anything less than torture; that simply
muaytb1 2 years ago
@Wraithofvolsunga
I like your comment and just wanted to say that their actions should not be used to justify out own, in the sense that, oh, if they treat us like this, we can treat them like that. If we treat them with respect they cannot hope to continue to convince themselves to act with violence, they have no justification.
randomhero87 2 years ago
that is interesting that if another country does it to an American in captivity, it is considered torture yet if America does it, its not torture.
84bodhipath 2 years ago
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18 seconds and less than a quart of water. What a pussy. This is nothing but a bullshit stunt.
RavingConservative 2 years ago
He lasted longer than Mancow. Mancow is a conservative radio host so he had a point to prove but he lasted only like 6 seconds. Mancow constantly said that it wasn't torture then once he had it done he said that it was torture. Hmm, could it maybe be that it IS torture?
aneub100 2 years ago
Try it^^,
My friends and I thought the same thing, we gave it a shot (using the video as a reference) it is horrible, and we surely we were no where near as skilled as the people in the video.
orion1anon 2 years ago
I intend to. And I intend to put the whole thing on YouTube. Of course, I have an unfair advantage. I actually know what it's like to be stuck underwater for real and unable to breathe. This weak crap should be cake.
RavingConservative 2 years ago
If you think Christ is right in any of his words, Please think of the fellow who jumped from the Twin towers to his dead or stay with the building and go to his death. Give me any water board and not the choice of jumping from the twin towers. Also I wisherd that Christ would be able to interview the fellow who jumped to his death. The water boarding was to stopping any more of the twin towers choices of the fellow who jumped. Give me water board anyday and not the choice of jumping from towers.
turtle4aire 2 years ago
Hey Marc Thiessen, since you don't think it's torture, why don't YOU try it and share your experience? Oh, you don't want to? Then it MUST be torture then, since you don't want to try. See the hypocrisy?
I think Dick Cheney should be waterboarded every day for every day this practice was used. If you weren't a terrorist before and you were treated like this, what are the odds you would do Anything to get back at your torturers?
OrmEmber 2 years ago
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I hope those weren't members of Blackwater giving Hitchens the kind of torture he rightfully deserves.
trickmastermonkey 2 years ago
...and why does he deserver to be tortured?
3ssay 2 years ago
Really, I've seen REAL water bordeing. They tie you up in a pool where you're just about under whater. Then, thease guys poor water all over you. Usally, you're only whereing a bikkini or swim trunks. THAT"S REAL WATER BORDEING PEOPLE!!!
yoyoyo1800891 2 years ago
Mark Thiessen is an idiot. It's still torture. It's just one of the few that doesn't leave permanent damage. Why would you try something that would leave permanent damage? That's a terrible comparison.
wartornpanda 2 years ago 2
"The technique does not inevitably cause lasting physical damage. It can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage or, if uninterrupted, death.[3] Adverse physical consequences can start manifesting months after the event; psychological effects can last for years."
Of course is not torture! I do this game with my friends all the time!
comicfan88 2 years ago
Dumb ass thiesen!
Waterboarding use is considered a form of torture by legal experts,[3][4] politicians, war veterans,[5][6] medical experts in the treatment of torture victims,[7][8] intelligence officials,[9] military judges,[10] and human rights organizations.[11][12]
from wikipedia
comicfan88 2 years ago
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Hitchens is an historical revisionist. His fan base
are those people who do not read, research &
write, i.e. 20-something males who were raised
in fatherless households.
ElHombreConDosOjos 2 years ago
And if your father just jerked off on a wall, we wouldn't have had to read your imbecile comments here today.
9886635574 2 years ago 12
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Convict - 9886635574: You bring disgrace & dishonor to your parents. This is why you post coments under your dept. of corrections' number. Be careful Sister as not to violate the conditions of your parole.
ElHombreConDosOjos 2 years ago
ElHombreConDosOjos, I'm willing to bet you have never met 99.99% of fans of Hitchens, so your decision to label all of them is based entirely - entirely - on the deposits of a bull's healthy dinner.
JanineRobin 2 years ago
TORTURE
italianlupo 2 years ago
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LOL!!!! That was like 20 sec. What a pansy!!!
wolfepup19 2 years ago
if you're so tough then how about you make a video of you doing it. the feeling of drowning is considered one of the most terrifying ways to die. It does not put you into shock the way intense pain injuries do. you're very much alive for a while, you can't breath, every gasp for air is just water filling your lungs. after they have filled you just slowly die knowing you're dying and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
systematic101 2 years ago
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What a bunch of damn nancies.
Still has his toenails. No blood loss. No bruises. Still all his teeth. Nothing broken.
Its no wonder OBL attacked us, he knew he could get away with it with all the girls who pretend to be men in this country.
NMFSE 2 years ago
I have trouble even watching people go through it. They aired that clip of that radio personality guy, the staunch conservative, on Countdown and I couldn't watch it or the clips of the military doing it. How anyone could willingly put themselves through this is beyond me.
How is whether this is torture or not still even a discussion people could be having? It is. That much is obvious. It's disgusting that it was considered a viable means of getting information.