Thank you brother! I hope Blizzard is reading this. The whole deathwing encounter was lackluster to say the least. We were not even a part of the fight. How can deathwing cause tsunamis and crack the continents in half but is not able to shake us off his back. Inc another million to unsub.
While I agree on most of the things, they apply to normals, for example, for Heroic Yors'haj, you don't kill purple, you control healing instead. The raid really misses a "soul" (no pun intended... ok, maybe a bit =D)
Oh god, ultraxion was the most boring fight in there. I'm a disc priest though so I'm just smiting for 5/6th of the battle and then I just spam PoH and hit hymn. It was all just waiting for each dps to figure out the button or to make their debuffs visible to time for fading light
Total explanation of the entire madness fight. Blizzard, the fact that it's possible to explain the entire, last boss, epic end-tier-mad-god-infected-insane-dragon in 12 seconds is a huge problem. Please fire your encounter designer.
Madness of deathwing is abit like Copy -> Paste theory every platform is exacly the same... only noticeable change is that 2 on left has tentacle on other side than other 2 on right... phase 2 is only thing that has something that must be killed in time...
lore you QQ too much, its not blizzards fault that your guild is not capable of beating rag on heroic, i also have a feeling youll say the same when you get stuck on heroic deathwing
what makes a fight feel epic.. is a fight that takes time.. doesn't feel bogus.. and makes u feel like u have killed something extremely hard to kill.. that is epic.. but DS sucks..
Agreed, on all the things you mentioned. Yea, I also still enjoy the raid, new content is always good. But missed potential is an accurate description.
i think deathwing should randomly do a barrel roll which would wipe your raid unless you get a grip in those holes and ofc would reset your progress with the 9 slime stacks.... to give you a timer in which you have to buff the Hideous thingies!!
One other thing that bugs me is the lack of splitting of the raid (at least in 10 man and LFR). Most of the fights are "Everyone stack here and Tanks go do this." I enjoy the fights where it's like 2 and 3 man groups have to split off and take care of this or that while everyone else is keeping the main boss busy.
One thing I've heard with the Ping Pong boss is that there is a 30yd travel minimum for the ball before it will bounce off something, thus why it goes through the boss sometimes (unless it's in LFR). As to Deathwing's Death I agree each of the platforms feels the EXACT same, especially from a Tank perspective. As a tank you don't even ever get to see Deathwing himself cause you're turned away from him the entire fight, trying to kill the Tentacle and then the Shard.
I think a lot of the stuff Lore complained about with Deathwing is more a limitation of a now really old engine than a limitation of Blizz's design. They may have not succeeded with what they tried with the cutscenes, but I dont think they could pull off a lot of the stuff Lore proposed in the current engine.
lore the reason thrall has to use the dragon soul because they needed someone very intune to the earth... because the only aspect to not put their power into it was the earth warder. Thrall ws the only one who could use it and actually affect him
If you watch thrall in the madness of deathwing encounter when you start the fight, Thrall starts casting his Hearthstone as soon as you start the fight. So.. Technically, he just ran off leaving you and the aspects to fend for yourselfs.
What Lore said. Dragon Soul is a massive let down. And dont' even get me started on the new raid gear. My guild is not really organized enough to run this raid so it's lfr for me. But I can only loot once per week. And new raid gear can only be won via raids runs. Can't save up vp.
@RealDarkBlade Maybe I misread something but I thought that you could loot the same boss more than once if it was a guild raid or something. Perhaps I misread the article about some of the guilds getting banned.
Either way, this is step down for me. I was at least able to get three pieces of raid gear from VP but now I can't even do that so now I just log in once a week, hit LTR, run it and I'm done. See yah next week.
DS would be better if it was half the raid Ulduar is. Hands down, Ulduar was the most unique and interesting raid that has been designed so far, and I'm speaking as a vanilla player.
@Patsasaurus I agree with you, thats because Ulduar was the last raid with the full wow team together. After Ulduar was released a lot of the team moved over to working on Titan.
I like the idea that Lore had with the Ultraxion fight. makes me think that blizz could use a mechanic similar to that Ulduar arena gauntlet where you split the raid up. One group needs to burn Ultraxion while the other does something else like protecting the aspects and taking pieces of the boss to power the dragon soul.
While I do agree on your points about the aspects and thrall being the "heroes" in DS, *SPOILER* With the Dragon Aspects no longer all powerful, there's no way for us to not be the actual heroes anymore.
the rest of the instance is actually quite challenging aswell, in heroic mode atleast. To a certain extent progressive raiding guild as ours, not server first, not even top 1000 world. You know just the regular heroic raiding guild :)
to me i think it would have been cool if instead of how the spines of deathwing worked you go and use the ship and launch onto deathwing with hooks and rip the armor plates off and he transforms into human form for a bit and the dragonsoul is used to push him off the ship and has a cooldown on it that one member activates while everyone is holding him off. then the final blow with the dragon soul knocks him into the maelstrom.
Why didn't blizzard use a part of the human form of Deathwing in someway? Like I think they never used that model besides from that one quest that probably no one knows about. Come on Blizzard, you guys are slacking like hella crazy.
on the spine, if you want to have an epic feeling drop off during the barrelroll and then u can see the fight from afar. it is kinda badass actually how deathwing jells at you and looks over his shoulder
All I hear is nerd raage ;)... But there realy is point to it too. About LFR, well, dont get me started how much things are wrong there. Now that I mentioned, well, let me say few things: Its way too easy, loot distribution is way too FUBAR (dps getting role bonus for healer item? WTF), why to give TIER pieces in LFR mode anyway - makes no sense, and also why to allow people que healer in DPS SPEC? Ok thats enough of ranting.
My guild just started the Deathwing's spine fight yesterday, we had a very hard time getting past the 200k debuff that absorbs all that healing. Any tips? Right now all 3 healers just use their biggest heals (greater heal, healing touch, ect...) to try and burn through it fast.
Oh and in almost every raid in the past there was a skillwall boss, with ICC it was LK, with SWP it was M'uru, with Naxx it was the Four Horsemen, with AQ40 it was C'Thun (though mathematically impossible too). Either there was a gearwall or an actual raid lock before that, or every boss before it was downed in a week or two.
I think even the Lich King encounter suffers a bit from the NPC doing the work while the players are 'just there' Tirion essentially gets the stupidest kill steal ever by suddenly breaking out of the ice block and chopping his sword in half rendering the Lich King helpless, which just made me wonder 'why'd no one else go for his sword? That's what stopped him?!' Granted, Lore summed up my feelings on the Deathwing fights completely - incredible potential for a grand finale that fell on it's face
TL;DW this video: Lore makes extremely valid points which will likely be rebutted by Blizz in the following manner: "working as intended" AND/OR "costs too much." If only Blizz wasn't a part of a public company...
ICC was crap but surely it was better than DS. I´m a tank and I hate the Dragon Soul raid with utmost intensity. Since they threw threat out of the "what matters" window without implementing active migitation that they so desperately tried to give tanks in their 2 setbonus, I act as a "half arshed DPS waiting for the raidleader to shout Rallying Cry/Shieldwall just standing there herpaderp dingdong puff button"
@MrRhunok the lich king and yogg fights were super epic and made you feel like you were doing something. i will always love the way those fights went.
Spine of Deathwing would have been better like this
You split the raid into 3 teams, have your 2 tanks and 2 healers jump on to his back while the rest of the raid is split evenly between 2 gunships
As he flys around the gunships circle him shooting cannons at him he bites at them and they can catch on fire The DPS take large raid damage from the fire and the healers have to heal through it
To put the fire out NPC shaman channel a water element
Im happy with DS. Heroics seem tightly tuned and I feel it will be enough until MoP :>. Kinda upset with the holiday season being right now and stopping progression.
The raid encounter design of 4.3 is blantantly devoid of any semblances of creative inspiration that it's just awkward to experience. It couldn't be more obvious 4.3 was a rush job so that assets could be reallocated to MoP. The three new 5 mans are, sadly, the highlight of Cataclysm for me, aside from a couple quest chains during the 80-85 leveling process. Basically 4.3 is the diarrhea icing on the shit cake that was the cataclysm expansion. Here's hoping the next expansion is better.
Its time some of you guys learn that Blizzard will do more and more shitty thing for WoW, its a 7 or 8 year old game, They know they will lose subscriber to SWTOR, GW2 and mostly Diablo 3. Its sad, but its the reality of thing. Game will get old and Even if WoW is one of the best game of all time, its becoming more and more awfull.
Ice Crown Citidel reasonably epic- Massive structure in Icecrown Huge build up to breach the front door
- Large quest line with a decent amount of lore(in the zones related to ICC)
DragonSoul Not remotely epic- No Azeroth location other than instanced alternate version which doesn't make it feel like its actually happening or effects the world of Azeroth
-Some rocks fell down in caverns of time, Nozdormu is like hey over here.
Why are so many people commenting as if this is a single player game. Yes the raid could have been better. Am i gonna quit the game as a few things could have been better. No, the reason i play the game is because i get to kill stuff with friends. Been with guildies for 6 years, i couldnt care if they had a dps race with a turd on a stick. The raid isnt awesome, doing it with people you like is...
So can we expect this to happen at the end of MoP when Blizz is focusing more on the next expansion than the current one? Since Blizz wants to release expansions faster all this means to me is that the initial release of the expansion will be the best part, maybe the first major patch but that's it. By the time the last raid comes out they will already be focusing on the next expansion.
Lore have you tryed heroic Zon'ozz and Yor'sahj? because it sounds like you haven't i wouldn't judge a encounter until you have atleast killed it on heroic. Those 2 heroics are not so simple on heroic, zon'ozz burn phase swaps to phase 1 and yor'sahj has a different priority on oozes usually with healers having to deal with purple ooze being up and trying not to blow up the raid.
I completely agree about making the cut-scene actions a PART of the actual encounter! Totally doable, but I think Blizzard felt so much pressure to just get Cata done and over with to move on to their next big project. Come on, Blizz... we can't even get a CG scene for Deathwing's ultimate demise? (I thought Arthas's death deserved one too)
i just imagined one of the raid members using the dragon soul as a vehicle turret and trying to hit deathwing who is flying around the sky. fuckin lol'd.
I personally really thought the deathwing fights were cool, It did feel to me like i was actually on his back and that i was taking his armor off...but perhaps that is me *shrug* I do agree about the barrel roll though! I never really noticed when it happened until a mob fell off!
@dilt4 I don't think it's about that per se, but I do think that Cataclysm falls because of STORY. When there's good character development, we have an emotional tie with events that occur around us. I think, aside from its flaws, WOTLK (including the raiding) sparks back good memories. However Cataclysm is like a hollywood big-budget blockbuster that has no real story. It's just about another massive dragon flying around destroying the world.
Compare to LK and Illidan, this isn't a good story.
Also, Madness of Deathwing is really, really fun if you ask me. It's easy at first, but eventually you end up with a big problem that you need to deal with, and it's quite delicate. And yes I have downed it, on week one in fact on Sunday.
You need to work for Blizzard, seriously. When you get hired and put into encounter design and all that, let me know and I'll resub. Until then, I don't plan to return. Been gone for 4-5 months and happy with Rift.
I would agree. I haven't done Deathwing on normal difficulty but after doing it in LFR I kind of just thought "that's it?" For LK I downed him like a month before Cata came out with the 30% buff on normal 10 man and thought it was one of the coolest fights I've ever done.
the whole point of heroic is that its hard. whats the point of calling it heroic if the top guilds are just breezing through it. id much rather see people take weeks or even months to down heroic deathwing. heroic rag showed who was better not just who got there first.
@thefoilerlives rag and heroic rag was the perfect example of how regular raids and heroic raids should be. Heroic rag offered a lot that reg didn't and it was really difficult. While it's disappointing to see the Rag I downed limited to so little. It shows me that if I want my full award I have to test myself. That goes without saying though that for an average raider Firelands was not cake. However..dragon soul normal was cake for me and my casual raider friends. shouldn't have been.
@thefoilerlives i agree with your point but i think sth is missing. Take for example H Ragnaros pre nerf. Yes it was hard as hell and sooo time consuming but it didnt feel like much after u downed him (apart from : Finally after 400+ wipes hes down).Deathwing i believe will be the same. They just dont provide the feeling of killing the Lich King for example. Idk maybe the storyline is lacking or just players dont care anymore about the storyline , nonetheless the game has lost much of its appeal
lore i didn't even think about how much recycled content is in the raid before. but i guess since deathwing is a dragon it does make sense he'd try and destroy wyrmrest temple. personally, i thought we'd face off with him in an instanced version of twilight highlands
i completely agree with the last 2 fights, we should be able to have some kind of epic parachute right after warmaster dies where you have to aim where your landing and if you miss you die.
Kind of sad that the community needs 3rd party software to figure out that an encounter is not possible when the company responsible for the numbers in that fight didn't crunch the numbers. The final battle against Deathwing is a big let down. Picking a dragon's finger nails to end an expansion. /sigh
@Davivd2 Yea and then they tell us that the NEXT expansion has NO BIG BADDIE.... WTFISTHAT?!!?!?!?!?!? So what's the point of even trying to play the new expansion if there's no "end game" so to speak. Like I know they said that the MoP is all about WAR between the Ally and Horde. But come on if there's no instigator why should we fight?
he should trim that bathroom rug off his head
Dontmissthebear 1 month ago
the crystals are awesome - i love being alextrasza
abarbar06 1 month ago
I like your hair.
NATHANinGAME 1 month ago
you didnt down H rag
ju571n82 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ZAMOfficial
serious question, how do you manage headset hair?
thumbs up please :S
MrStiigg 2 months ago
FRODO!
jaasianmc 2 months ago
Hmmm sort of matches most of the comments for the whole Cataclysm Expansion Pack. Its nice but I was expecting more....
Deusestmort 2 months ago
Copy wyrmrest area as map.
Drag and drop Old_god_hole1 two times, program blends it in nicely.
Gunship here nothing needed to change on the model.
Copy maelstorm map.
Wait for animation/model side to come up with models of DW and hes back.
Let them drag and drop bosses to their places in mean time. Old_god_boss3 here..Corrupted_blue_dragon there etc.
Put some trash around and script them to fight friendly npcs and dw flying around shooting random stuff.
???
Go back to crafting MoP's world.
SurrealLeaf 2 months ago 3
last night i came in 2nd on dps meters for ultraxion, im a sub rogue who hemoed the whole time with that axe from LFR with vengeance in my OH...
Lunaras 2 months ago
Aggra looks stoned because she's high on all the thrall lovin. He's one powerful guy!
karlww 2 months ago
Blizzard is terrible.
Peaslovehappiness 2 months ago
I dunno why, but i'm watchin' this the whole day.
PachyPhazi 2 months ago 2
Thank you brother! I hope Blizzard is reading this. The whole deathwing encounter was lackluster to say the least. We were not even a part of the fight. How can deathwing cause tsunamis and crack the continents in half but is not able to shake us off his back. Inc another million to unsub.
WTFLOLidonteven 2 months ago 3
lol wave of creeps
aguero12341 2 months ago
While I agree on most of the things, they apply to normals, for example, for Heroic Yors'haj, you don't kill purple, you control healing instead. The raid really misses a "soul" (no pun intended... ok, maybe a bit =D)
Higginsgod 2 months ago
Agreed wholeheartedly with deathwing though...
trowishma 2 months ago
Oh god, ultraxion was the most boring fight in there. I'm a disc priest though so I'm just smiting for 5/6th of the battle and then I just spam PoH and hit hymn. It was all just waiting for each dps to figure out the button or to make their debuffs visible to time for fading light
trowishma 2 months ago
"I'm gonna beat that shadow dragon" EPIC!
MrAlexsaratov 2 months ago
lololol the dawning of the age of mortals have begon
finklepinkle 2 months ago
blizzard has stated they will never make another ulduar again because it was too hard and took too much time.
not even kidding
jimdofrunetotem 2 months ago
18:13 hahahahhaha <3
rommio3223 2 months ago
what thrall is really doing is playing street fighter and then going HADOUKEN! on deathwing
TheGirlzgame 2 months ago
illi's fight has been the most epic final boss of the xpacs.
NinaLoris 2 months ago
thrall is going to be a dad??? thanks for the spoilers :(
there was no need to say that since it wasn't part of the encounter or so
IsilionNELE 2 months ago
@IsilionNELE it's part of the cutscene after you kill deathwing.. (the second time)
TheGirlzgame 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
9:14-9:26
Total explanation of the entire madness fight. Blizzard, the fact that it's possible to explain the entire, last boss, epic end-tier-mad-god-infected-insane-dragon in 12 seconds is a huge problem. Please fire your encounter designer.
actellimQT 2 months ago
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actellimQT 2 months ago
hokey pokey!
ShAdOw116789 2 months ago
I quit about 6 weeks into Cataclysm. I'm a casualcore player. Someone please tell me when it's safe to come back.
jazzbuckeye 2 months ago
@jazzbuckeye why rely on other people. make up your own mind
IsilionNELE 2 months ago
@IsilionNELE Why use incorrect grammar? Also, because I'd rather not spend $15 to find out.
jazzbuckeye 2 months ago
@jazzbuckeye They didn't use incorrect grammar.
Asheskun 2 months ago
Madness of deathwing is abit like Copy -> Paste theory every platform is exacly the same... only noticeable change is that 2 on left has tentacle on other side than other 2 on right... phase 2 is only thing that has something that must be killed in time...
Tarcha94 2 months ago
thumbs up for the alexstraza's face parody :D
Nemo1608 2 months ago 29
lore you QQ too much, its not blizzards fault that your guild is not capable of beating rag on heroic, i also have a feeling youll say the same when you get stuck on heroic deathwing
fLiPnoTTiC 2 months ago
Lore for Blizz CEO 2012!
IIICrazIII 2 months ago
Fuckin' Dragon Soul feels like a shitty Random Dungeon ...
PachyPhazi 2 months ago
R.I.P. World of Warcraft
JediwolfDestiny 2 months ago
what makes a fight feel epic.. is a fight that takes time.. doesn't feel bogus.. and makes u feel like u have killed something extremely hard to kill.. that is epic.. but DS sucks..
jimmyt568 2 months ago
20:17 Best sound evar.
futtemayn 2 months ago
no offence Patrick Swayze is dead..
jimmyt568 2 months ago
Madness of deathwing, i think it is the first time i drown (.. or should i say die to gravity?) from doing something that is part of the fight.
ccfreakMetal 2 months ago
I did say it when it came out but Ragnaros and Firelands will be remembered as the great raid of this expansion.
ChemiiOneLegacy 2 months ago
Agreed, on all the things you mentioned. Yea, I also still enjoy the raid, new content is always good. But missed potential is an accurate description.
Pietzie 2 months ago
im still pissed that thrall blasts a hole through deathwing while im still on his back
zeriul09 2 months ago 2
@zeriul09 lol, never thought about that ^^
ccfreakMetal 2 months ago
the dragon soul is acutely relay hard to use YOU DICK plus we gave up our powers to help your world
-the aspects and thrall
will3450 2 months ago
@will3450 Problem is that you had the power of 4 aspects and a planetary and magical focal point vs just deathwing using it.
GladiatorL99 2 months ago
i think deathwing should randomly do a barrel roll which would wipe your raid unless you get a grip in those holes and ofc would reset your progress with the 9 slime stacks.... to give you a timer in which you have to buff the Hideous thingies!!
falconsrage 2 months ago
16:21 - Point Break is an awesome movie and it's nice to have a funny reference to things like that.
Kwmeked 2 months ago
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Kwmeked 2 months ago
Rubbish end to rubbish expac. Hopefully Mop is better.
Pottsy194 2 months ago
i really thought lore was gonna say he spends the whole fight looking at the bosses crotch
kristoph221 2 months ago
One other thing that bugs me is the lack of splitting of the raid (at least in 10 man and LFR). Most of the fights are "Everyone stack here and Tanks go do this." I enjoy the fights where it's like 2 and 3 man groups have to split off and take care of this or that while everyone else is keeping the main boss busy.
Cfmanj 2 months ago
LORE FOR LEAD RAID DESIGNER 2012
thetrueguitarher0 2 months ago 105
I honestly think the 5 man dungeons were made with a lot more creativity and new stuff than the raid.
chaochamp 2 months ago
One thing I've heard with the Ping Pong boss is that there is a 30yd travel minimum for the ball before it will bounce off something, thus why it goes through the boss sometimes (unless it's in LFR). As to Deathwing's Death I agree each of the platforms feels the EXACT same, especially from a Tank perspective. As a tank you don't even ever get to see Deathwing himself cause you're turned away from him the entire fight, trying to kill the Tentacle and then the Shard.
-Ploute McFairin
Cfmanj 2 months ago
wow Lore.. thanks for the SPOILER ALERT!!! lol =P
RPGmvp 2 months ago
My alltime favourite is professor putricide, LK being a close second..
Arzi66369 2 months ago
instead of fighting deathwing spine how about you fight him in his human form then dragon
tonibael 2 months ago
I think a lot of the stuff Lore complained about with Deathwing is more a limitation of a now really old engine than a limitation of Blizz's design. They may have not succeeded with what they tried with the cutscenes, but I dont think they could pull off a lot of the stuff Lore proposed in the current engine.
spankmealotus 2 months ago
Scumbag Lore, Tells us he won't go off talking about every boss, still does it anyway.
Roflskippy 2 months ago
Lk is one of my favorite fights, the othet being the ascendant council, and majordomo
Grievousig101 2 months ago
That's just rrhsbshrbrhshbspppssh
Fadrion 2 months ago
Blizz if your reading give this man a job hes just better than you are he just is
kkiirraa1987 2 months ago
so .. the conclusion : more quality Blizz !!
QQuaeE 2 months ago
Huh? What'd I miss? I've been playing SWTOR for a while now.
CallMeTwink 2 months ago
lore the reason thrall has to use the dragon soul because they needed someone very intune to the earth... because the only aspect to not put their power into it was the earth warder. Thrall ws the only one who could use it and actually affect him
justinhxcB 2 months ago
Thrall: "I can haz baby?"
lizbliz 2 months ago
If you watch thrall in the madness of deathwing encounter when you start the fight, Thrall starts casting his Hearthstone as soon as you start the fight. So.. Technically, he just ran off leaving you and the aspects to fend for yourselfs.
skillerxx01 2 months ago 2
Pandas will fix it.
Neon2110 2 months ago
you did them a favor by not includeing the fact that when deathwing actually dies....he just burst like a balloon with sparkles
MrTrademarked 2 months ago
Why is the portal to DS in Caverns of Time?
dbotroniclol1 2 months ago 2
i also wonder why aggra always looks stoned.
WayToFitnessWmc 2 months ago
What Lore said. Dragon Soul is a massive let down. And dont' even get me started on the new raid gear. My guild is not really organized enough to run this raid so it's lfr for me. But I can only loot once per week. And new raid gear can only be won via raids runs. Can't save up vp.
Sooooo....I have one shot a week at my raid gear?
SWOTR is starting to look pretty interesting.
KamekoBruns 2 months ago
@KamekoBruns you always had one shot/week at gear
RealDarkBlade 2 months ago
@RealDarkBlade Maybe I misread something but I thought that you could loot the same boss more than once if it was a guild raid or something. Perhaps I misread the article about some of the guilds getting banned.
Either way, this is step down for me. I was at least able to get three pieces of raid gear from VP but now I can't even do that so now I just log in once a week, hit LTR, run it and I'm done. See yah next week.
KamekoBruns 2 months ago
the hokey pokey is complicated
Ironduke71 2 months ago
DS would be better if it was half the raid Ulduar is. Hands down, Ulduar was the most unique and interesting raid that has been designed so far, and I'm speaking as a vanilla player.
Patsasaurus 2 months ago 28
@Patsasaurus same shit different day. Most of the hardmodes were just a DPS race or DO NOT KILL THIS THING mechanics. Almost same as now.
MistycalBro 2 months ago
@Patsasaurus I agree with you, thats because Ulduar was the last raid with the full wow team together. After Ulduar was released a lot of the team moved over to working on Titan.
Kabadoo1 2 months ago
22:15 awesome, my thoughts exactly
SamsusAlleria 2 months ago 2
DS is shit.
rabercody 2 months ago
I like the idea that Lore had with the Ultraxion fight. makes me think that blizz could use a mechanic similar to that Ulduar arena gauntlet where you split the raid up. One group needs to burn Ultraxion while the other does something else like protecting the aspects and taking pieces of the boss to power the dragon soul.
bluetracer2 2 months ago
Sounds like Thrall gets too much place in the Sun.
Lore is right, the Orc is doing all the epic stuff, we just stand around...
Jatischar 2 months ago
I havent watched a weekly marmot in a long time....when did he start growing a tangela on his head? It frightens me.
dbell930 2 months ago
While I do agree on your points about the aspects and thrall being the "heroes" in DS, *SPOILER* With the Dragon Aspects no longer all powerful, there's no way for us to not be the actual heroes anymore.
Kev1112007 2 months ago
the rest of the instance is actually quite challenging aswell, in heroic mode atleast. To a certain extent progressive raiding guild as ours, not server first, not even top 1000 world. You know just the regular heroic raiding guild :)
MrWow1wow 2 months ago
to me i think it would have been cool if instead of how the spines of deathwing worked you go and use the ship and launch onto deathwing with hooks and rip the armor plates off and he transforms into human form for a bit and the dragonsoul is used to push him off the ship and has a cooldown on it that one member activates while everyone is holding him off. then the final blow with the dragon soul knocks him into the maelstrom.
shadowcrone 2 months ago
Why didn't blizzard use a part of the human form of Deathwing in someway? Like I think they never used that model besides from that one quest that probably no one knows about. Come on Blizzard, you guys are slacking like hella crazy.
Moonidel 2 months ago 3
its easy to adapt to ultraxion unless u r arcane mage cause in that case u have to push twice as much buttons
Promaja995 2 months ago
on the spine, if you want to have an epic feeling drop off during the barrelroll and then u can see the fight from afar. it is kinda badass actually how deathwing jells at you and looks over his shoulder
koduu14 2 months ago
Lore, you should be the one designing these encounters. You have awesome ideas dude! :)
NitroJunkie737 2 months ago
All I hear is nerd raage ;)... But there realy is point to it too. About LFR, well, dont get me started how much things are wrong there. Now that I mentioned, well, let me say few things: Its way too easy, loot distribution is way too FUBAR (dps getting role bonus for healer item? WTF), why to give TIER pieces in LFR mode anyway - makes no sense, and also why to allow people que healer in DPS SPEC? Ok thats enough of ranting.
LeopoldGames 2 months ago
Finally, it would be cool if Deathwing were slowed down as he flew around zones and you could *fly* into his raid portal.
gamerunknown 2 months ago
My guild just started the Deathwing's spine fight yesterday, we had a very hard time getting past the 200k debuff that absorbs all that healing. Any tips? Right now all 3 healers just use their biggest heals (greater heal, healing touch, ect...) to try and burn through it fast.
TheNikkayyheylee 2 months ago
Nice video as always, keep it up Lore!
Ivers3n 2 months ago
Oh and in almost every raid in the past there was a skillwall boss, with ICC it was LK, with SWP it was M'uru, with Naxx it was the Four Horsemen, with AQ40 it was C'Thun (though mathematically impossible too). Either there was a gearwall or an actual raid lock before that, or every boss before it was downed in a week or two.
gamerunknown 2 months ago
I think even the Lich King encounter suffers a bit from the NPC doing the work while the players are 'just there' Tirion essentially gets the stupidest kill steal ever by suddenly breaking out of the ice block and chopping his sword in half rendering the Lich King helpless, which just made me wonder 'why'd no one else go for his sword? That's what stopped him?!' Granted, Lore summed up my feelings on the Deathwing fights completely - incredible potential for a grand finale that fell on it's face
TheLordOfBugs 2 months ago
Oh and on Nefarian the bit before he lands kinda drags in BWL
gamerunknown 2 months ago
TL;DW this video: Lore makes extremely valid points which will likely be rebutted by Blizz in the following manner: "working as intended" AND/OR "costs too much." If only Blizz wasn't a part of a public company...
naratcliffe 2 months ago
Swtor comes out in a couple of days...
Wow ends in a couple of days
xnedox 2 months ago
Not the first time tauren have had to use pygmy oil lol.
Also, I liked ICC because I haven't raided since. Apart from 3 bosses in Firelands.
Yes, I'm the reason why you can't have hard raids.
gamerunknown 2 months ago
Why does aggra always look stoned? Cause he took an Arrow in the Knee!
TheFreelong 2 months ago
ICC was crap but surely it was better than DS. I´m a tank and I hate the Dragon Soul raid with utmost intensity. Since they threw threat out of the "what matters" window without implementing active migitation that they so desperately tried to give tanks in their 2 setbonus, I act as a "half arshed DPS waiting for the raidleader to shout Rallying Cry/Shieldwall just standing there herpaderp dingdong puff button"
Go to hell
Sincerely,
-The Swedish cynical special snowflake angry tank
MrRhunok 2 months ago 42
@MrRhunok Wtf man ICC was friggin awesome :p But DS does suck quite a large amount of the d...
pallypowerFTFW 2 months ago
@pallypowerFTFW We all know Ulduar was the shizz in Wrath but I have to admit that the LK fight was rather good compared to the others.
MrRhunok 2 months ago
@MrRhunok the lich king and yogg fights were super epic and made you feel like you were doing something. i will always love the way those fights went.
shadowcrone 2 months ago 5
@MrRhunok i feel for you bro and feel your pain literally especially on ultraxion :P
Nosllewblaidd 2 months ago 5
Spine of Deathwing would have been better like this
You split the raid into 3 teams, have your 2 tanks and 2 healers jump on to his back while the rest of the raid is split evenly between 2 gunships
As he flys around the gunships circle him shooting cannons at him he bites at them and they can catch on fire The DPS take large raid damage from the fire and the healers have to heal through it
To put the fire out NPC shaman channel a water element
Tanks remove the armour while he is distracted
PwningLifeProduction 2 months ago
Why didn't Deathwing just turn into human form when we landed on him?
Druu90 2 months ago 89
@Druu90 why did peter bishop turn up in a lake?
petrino 2 months ago
@Druu90 Deathwing wanted too, but blizzard said "NO BAD DEATHWING!"
justinhxcB 2 months ago
@Druu90 because then he would also fall >.>
GamerLCD 2 months ago
@Druu90 he kinda can't. that pesky armor would get in the way :P
elderhorus 2 months ago
@Druu90 he would've fallen to the ground and died...
thetrueguitarher0 2 months ago
@Druu90 then go back to dragon form just to let us drop, right
YepX 2 months ago
@Druu90 Come on, dude, Blizzard isn't THAT smart.
iUnitedpk 2 months ago
xD xD
Torskebassen 2 months ago
Im happy with DS. Heroics seem tightly tuned and I feel it will be enough until MoP :>. Kinda upset with the holiday season being right now and stopping progression.
themanwithnohat 2 months ago
I like the spine of deathwing fight. It feels like an objective boss fight rather than an stair up.
This is bad guy. go kick its ass.
fred9136 2 months ago
@fred9136 It feels like here are bombs take his armor off so thrall can do all the work.
re1gn1te 2 months ago
DEATHWING IS THE MOST EPIC ENCOUNTER EVER! HOW DARE YOU LORE!!!!!!!!
joehighlord 2 months ago
@joehighlord its rly not epic at all....
re1gn1te 2 months ago
Intro is what I thought when I first saw the cut scene.
+1
SSBSamuS 2 months ago
I watch this while playing SWTOR's early launch.
frag971 2 months ago
WoW sucks
Unchainedboar 2 months ago
@Unchainedboar hum, how can i put this politely! SHUT UP IDIOT! was that polite?
joehighlord 2 months ago
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The raid encounter design of 4.3 is blantantly devoid of any semblances of creative inspiration that it's just awkward to experience. It couldn't be more obvious 4.3 was a rush job so that assets could be reallocated to MoP. The three new 5 mans are, sadly, the highlight of Cataclysm for me, aside from a couple quest chains during the 80-85 leveling process. Basically 4.3 is the diarrhea icing on the shit cake that was the cataclysm expansion. Here's hoping the next expansion is better.
iceveiled 2 months ago
Its time some of you guys learn that Blizzard will do more and more shitty thing for WoW, its a 7 or 8 year old game, They know they will lose subscriber to SWTOR, GW2 and mostly Diablo 3. Its sad, but its the reality of thing. Game will get old and Even if WoW is one of the best game of all time, its becoming more and more awfull.
Naustrawarlock 2 months ago
@Naustrawarlock You know nothing
OverCast92 2 months ago
@OverCast92 You mad because your precious game is on the decline?
Ive played WoW since Vanilla, and Its time for me (and many more) to move on... Maybe you will understand some day. good luck kids, you need it
Naustrawarlock 2 months ago
@Naustrawarlock Perhaps if you had a grasp of the english language i'd be mad, you jelly ?
OverCast92 2 months ago
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iceveiled 2 months ago
Ice Crown Citidel reasonably epic- Massive structure in Icecrown Huge build up to breach the front door
- Large quest line with a decent amount of lore(in the zones related to ICC)
DragonSoul Not remotely epic- No Azeroth location other than instanced alternate version which doesn't make it feel like its actually happening or effects the world of Azeroth
-Some rocks fell down in caverns of time, Nozdormu is like hey over here.
And I'm not even going to compare the encounters.
Danos138 2 months ago 2
on madness i wanted a EoE type mechanic when we ride drakes and pwn his face stop time and all that jazz
WIZZMAN100 2 months ago
Why are so many people commenting as if this is a single player game. Yes the raid could have been better. Am i gonna quit the game as a few things could have been better. No, the reason i play the game is because i get to kill stuff with friends. Been with guildies for 6 years, i couldnt care if they had a dps race with a turd on a stick. The raid isnt awesome, doing it with people you like is...
TheBalfrog 2 months ago
So can we expect this to happen at the end of MoP when Blizz is focusing more on the next expansion than the current one? Since Blizz wants to release expansions faster all this means to me is that the initial release of the expansion will be the best part, maybe the first major patch but that's it. By the time the last raid comes out they will already be focusing on the next expansion.
ramirer9561 2 months ago
Lore have you tryed heroic Zon'ozz and Yor'sahj? because it sounds like you haven't i wouldn't judge a encounter until you have atleast killed it on heroic. Those 2 heroics are not so simple on heroic, zon'ozz burn phase swaps to phase 1 and yor'sahj has a different priority on oozes usually with healers having to deal with purple ooze being up and trying not to blow up the raid.
2livecrew88 2 months ago
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dilt4 2 months ago
LORE SHOULD WORK FOR BLIZZARD
MrBazz420 2 months ago
LORE SHOULD WORK FOR BLIZZARD
MrBazz420 2 months ago
I completely agree about making the cut-scene actions a PART of the actual encounter! Totally doable, but I think Blizzard felt so much pressure to just get Cata done and over with to move on to their next big project. Come on, Blizz... we can't even get a CG scene for Deathwing's ultimate demise? (I thought Arthas's death deserved one too)
Deiphage 2 months ago
Loot ship and ZF stairs, is the best PvE encounters in game period.
vavan100 2 months ago
i just imagined one of the raid members using the dragon soul as a vehicle turret and trying to hit deathwing who is flying around the sky. fuckin lol'd.
ryanaprice1 2 months ago
I personally really thought the deathwing fights were cool, It did feel to me like i was actually on his back and that i was taking his armor off...but perhaps that is me *shrug* I do agree about the barrel roll though! I never really noticed when it happened until a mob fell off!
lonSinceInsane 2 months ago
GOD I WANT YOU ON BLIZZARD'S TEAM SOOOOOO BAD.
Dreadlord67 2 months ago
Why does blizzard not know how to do epicness. when bioware can make you feel epic from a random level 9 quest?
OdinsWrath 2 months ago
@OdinsWrath blizzard is just milking money out of the game by now.
dilt4 2 months ago
@dilt4 I don't think it's about that per se, but I do think that Cataclysm falls because of STORY. When there's good character development, we have an emotional tie with events that occur around us. I think, aside from its flaws, WOTLK (including the raiding) sparks back good memories. However Cataclysm is like a hollywood big-budget blockbuster that has no real story. It's just about another massive dragon flying around destroying the world.
Compare to LK and Illidan, this isn't a good story.
ultraviolent29 2 months ago
Lore why are you judging encounters on bugs...
Also, Madness of Deathwing is really, really fun if you ask me. It's easy at first, but eventually you end up with a big problem that you need to deal with, and it's quite delicate. And yes I have downed it, on week one in fact on Sunday.
TheOnlyGBeast 2 months ago
Aggra's been smoking that Felweed. Thrall is disappoint.
Celestimos 2 months ago
You need to work for Blizzard, seriously. When you get hired and put into encounter design and all that, let me know and I'll resub. Until then, I don't plan to return. Been gone for 4-5 months and happy with Rift.
phoenix7289 2 months ago
@phoenix7289 yup me too
gluesniffer2 2 months ago
Just chuck testa.
A1LTOBEG0DLY16 2 months ago
BEST MARMOT EVER!
ToxenChannel 2 months ago
End thing: and another thing why does aggra always look stoned
narutorockz999 2 months ago
I would agree. I haven't done Deathwing on normal difficulty but after doing it in LFR I kind of just thought "that's it?" For LK I downed him like a month before Cata came out with the 30% buff on normal 10 man and thought it was one of the coolest fights I've ever done.
clra2 2 months ago
the whole point of heroic is that its hard. whats the point of calling it heroic if the top guilds are just breezing through it. id much rather see people take weeks or even months to down heroic deathwing. heroic rag showed who was better not just who got there first.
thefoilerlives 2 months ago
@thefoilerlives rag and heroic rag was the perfect example of how regular raids and heroic raids should be. Heroic rag offered a lot that reg didn't and it was really difficult. While it's disappointing to see the Rag I downed limited to so little. It shows me that if I want my full award I have to test myself. That goes without saying though that for an average raider Firelands was not cake. However..dragon soul normal was cake for me and my casual raider friends. shouldn't have been.
Dreadlord67 2 months ago
@thefoilerlives i agree with your point but i think sth is missing. Take for example H Ragnaros pre nerf. Yes it was hard as hell and sooo time consuming but it didnt feel like much after u downed him (apart from : Finally after 400+ wipes hes down).Deathwing i believe will be the same. They just dont provide the feeling of killing the Lich King for example. Idk maybe the storyline is lacking or just players dont care anymore about the storyline , nonetheless the game has lost much of its appeal
jhoxha 2 months ago
I was actually shocked to see Deathwing disappear in a lame-ass poof of sparks. I mean... really? A poof of sparks? That's the best they can do?
remarkablogger 2 months ago
I must say IMHO Firelands was much higher quality patch.
Frozenkex 2 months ago
yeah.. I have no idea why aggra always looks stoned either :(!
Bexyish1337 2 months ago
wtb yearly marmot
Recckun 2 months ago
lore i didn't even think about how much recycled content is in the raid before. but i guess since deathwing is a dragon it does make sense he'd try and destroy wyrmrest temple. personally, i thought we'd face off with him in an instanced version of twilight highlands
ProJanitor 2 months ago
i completely agree with the last 2 fights, we should be able to have some kind of epic parachute right after warmaster dies where you have to aim where your landing and if you miss you die.
DrakeDude1 2 months ago
Well Said.
Solhai 2 months ago
I used to be a raider like you... then i took an arrow to the knee
Zaxomio 2 months ago
Kind of sad that the community needs 3rd party software to figure out that an encounter is not possible when the company responsible for the numbers in that fight didn't crunch the numbers. The final battle against Deathwing is a big let down. Picking a dragon's finger nails to end an expansion. /sigh
Davivd2 2 months ago
@Davivd2 Yea and then they tell us that the NEXT expansion has NO BIG BADDIE.... WTFISTHAT?!!?!?!?!?!? So what's the point of even trying to play the new expansion if there's no "end game" so to speak. Like I know they said that the MoP is all about WAR between the Ally and Horde. But come on if there's no instigator why should we fight?
LastKnight0727 2 months ago
@LastKnight0727 See: Van