Everything is eternal, becouse if anything exists than everything had to exist forever. If nothing existed than anything wouldn't come to existance, ever. Everything is infinite.
We`re not unique whatever you mean by that and we`re not the same biologically and psychologically as far as evolution, conditioning, and circumstance goes. And we don`t everlast because our consciousness and experience will disipitate into nothingness. The only thing that might make it into the future is the energy that has been accumulated over billions of years. It`s the body, not the ``us`` to put it simple. ``Eperience`` it and lose it, how senseless to the meaning of eternal.
What the universe is, or is not. doesn't matter because with, or with out us, the universe will continue to do what it does. Yet from our puny perspective, the universe is eternal and will be here longggg after mankind has disappeared. But from a cosmic perspective, the universe itself will die out out. Hmmmm but then again, that's accord to physicists. So who knows or cares? Because in relation to we humans that debate is rather moot. Unless...
The link between cause and effect and the principle that *no* phenomenon will set foot on the plain of being *without* a cause, are among the strongest deductions ever made by man and count as indispensable conditions for intellectual activity. They represent something natural and primordial, assimilated automatically by our minds.
Hi! Please watch some of my philosophy vlogs if you enjoyed this work. Looking for some intelligent feedback. What do you think of my religion Buddhist Transhumanism, it can include pantheism?
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
@1tabligh you were speaking very well my friend, I was disappointed when I read the statement "all praise is due to allah" though. If you aknowledge that humans know nothing about the universe, you shouldn't believe in a fictional character created by them.
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@1tabligh exactly, they can't! Even if science explains everything around us, we're still limited to our limited human perception of reality, and we can't even grasp what lies beyond the known universe. But that is absolutely not a reason to believe in whatever god. That's just reason for us to be very humble and open our minds to whatever kind of "truth" lies out there...
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped and the brainwashed atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh well I don't think there is a "creator", because nothing suggests me that thigs are created. We only see things transforming around us, over and over again. And it will be that way forever, long after our insignificant species and our little gods die.
@ItsAllChaos The Need of the World for One Without Need!
The principle of causality is a general and universal law and foundation for all efforts of man, both in the acquisition of knowledge and in his customary activities. The strivings of scholars to uncover the cause of every phenomenon, whether natural or social, arise from the belief that *no* phenomenon originates in and of itself *without* the intervention of causes and agents.
@1tabligh sure :) and you can never find the first cause, a bit like "what came first, the egg or the chicken?". We can see that every phenomenon has a cause, but then that cause had another cause before, and even that cause had previouses causes, and so on forever. And for every answer that we get, we only get like 10 more questions, there is always one step further, it never ends. If I were to believe in a god, I would still like to know how that god came to be.
The Source of All Being is Free of Need for a Cause!
The followers of materialism pay much critical attention to the principle that God does not stand in need of a cause. They say if we suppose the Creator to be the origin of the world and the one who bestows existence upon it, all phenomena deriving their origination and continued existence from him, what cause has freed him of need for having a creator; what agent has caused him to come into being?
@1tabligh but why? why should I believe in a god that is eternal, and not believe the universe itself is eternal? even if there was a god, things would still make no sense, life would still be meaningless. what's the meaning of spending eternity in heaven? why would god bother creating life on earth? it's too obvious that we made up gods in our own image. I believe in something kind of 'supernatural', but if it exists out of our universe, it most likely existes beyond our imagination as well.
Imprisoned as we are within the four walls of matter, we *never* encounter anything accidental in life, and, indeed, no one ever encountered, in the history of the world, an accident *not* arising from a cause. Were this not the case, we might have an excuse for regarding the universe as accidental in origin. What kind of accident might it be that from the dawn of being to the present has guided the infinite interactions of all things, in so wondrous, precise and orderly a fashion?
@ItsAllChaos .....and not believe the universe itself is eternal?
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Matter has different aspects and dimensions; it is immersed in quantity and multiplicity; and it acquires its various dimensions by means of attributes and properties. The necessary being, by contrast, is *free* of all such properties.
@OrganicKing Yes! And so is your stupid comment! :D everything in the universe serves a purpose :) keep in mind that "god" as a complete being must have his negative side too, aka devil. Separating the negative from positive, good from evil, is an illusion, for they complete each other.
I agree with almost everything your wrote, the only thing is everything and the universe are no longer synonymous. All of existence and everything that exist is god, not just the universe. I enjoyed your video and always enjoy talking with fellow pantheist.
the more i look for evidence against panthiesm, the more i find to support it. All i have to do is go outside and walk around. Check out radiolaria, Ernst Haeckel, fractals, psyliocybin affects on consciousness
we only know that our area of the universe is expanding. for such a tiny part of the universe, to accept that as proof of the big bang is assuming a lot. for all we know there is another part of the universe shrinking! physics differ throughout the universe.
Reality is just a figment of the conscious perception. We are here to account for creation and existence, thus we are all creation/God, just as all living things are.
sorry but i disagree with your statement of what pantheism is about...if you state universe is eternal...then that is faith...because until forever is over you cannot test it...therefore even pantheism requiressome faith...science cannot prove empirically that something is eternal...because it takes an eternity to test it..i am pantheist...and it requires faith in natural material...not spirits...but still faith is required
@pcbb01 Yes i agree :). I came across this. "At the advent of day, all things springs forth from the Cosmic Nature; At the advent of night they get dissolved into that same known as the Non manifest.
That space/vacuum is God/Spirit. All things come from the invisible into the visible and back into the invisible at the end of creation.
Humans in their "infinite wisdom" sought to domesticate "god" or the life force and use it to control people, "god" took on human properties and began to care about human activities because humans had no knowledge that they weren't that important. Now that we are aware of this, we must handle our problems and not wait for an invisible man in the sky to fix them for us.
@Juefawn I love this, in fact if everyone realised this was true, and that there was no such thing as a natural justice system, everyone could eventually chip together and make the Earth a better place. By the way, where is the soundtrack from?
@Juefawn If your mind can "imagine", "conjure up", "make up, manufacture, invent creatively" the possibility or concept of Big Crunch and Multiverse with no evidence for it whatsoever, only mere wishful thinking, then why can't you accept the possibility of a Creator God when there is scientific evidence (Intelligent Design) that can be very nicely interpreted that way? Why invent complete and obvious fairy-tales where a more rational scientific explanation is quite evident already?
@Ihatemelee So, what is there, external to our expanding universe? Nothing? I can hardly come up with a concept of "nothingness" cause even when you think about "nothing", you're thinking about something. If that something is beyond our universe, we're part of that something which you call nothing. I honestly think it is impossible for the universe not to be infinite. It is rather a paradox. I see the universe as an eternal omnipresent nothing. Its like time. We measure it, but it doesn't exist.
@ItsAllChaos space didnt exist until after the formation of the universe, time as well but time is relative (see einsteins stuff for that) if there is an external to our universe it would be an unknown. if time and space didn't exist until the universe did then "nothing" would be outside of it. yes i know humans have a hard time with understanding "nothingness" usualy we conceptualize a vacume or emptiness, but even that is somthing, i get that. if there is an external it is as of yet, unknown.
Doesn't mean that because it looks like it had been expanding, that it was actually expanding. Maybe the universe started expanding when hubble proved it. We create, remember?
@Ihatemelee "Beginnings" happen all the time right in fromt of our eyes. Where does a new seedling come from ?= It falls from a fully grown tree..... I suspect that the "big bang" was/ is the expansion of a multiverse through a blackhole into our known universe.
@abyssalanguish I agree with that statement about how things came to be. If you look into things like the Rodin coil and new theories of the universe, you'll find this is seemingly true. Still looking for a great explanation of the whole ordeal though.
@Juefawn Interesting, I just read about the Rodin coil.....
According to Rodin, the coil represents the underpinning geometry of the universe, which draws its non-decaying energy from the vortex, the zero.
That being said, I as well strive to find greater explanations, but often think that the best "explanation" of all does not exist in words or theories but in the zero consciousness of Zazen.
@ChibiMyuutsu hence why i put the word beginning in quotations. there is never a true beginning or end, only the infinite evolution of the present moment in motion.
@Ihatemelee yes but theres more to the universe...its called "the unobservable universe"...and this is what most misunderstand as being god...they suppose that what they cannot see is out of nature...yet its not..there was no begginning just a transition from one time frame to one that we can grasp physically...just because i cant live in yesterday doesent mean its beyond physical...energy has always been and always will be...but energy is not the god of supernatural religions
@Ihatemelee When they say it's expanding, I think they just mean the "visible universe" is expanding. Meaning the light is only reaching us now. The furthest visible galaxy is currently 13.2 Billion light years away, which means the Universe is much older than 13.2 Billion years old.
@Ihatemelee I think the pantheist idea does not specify this universe as the ultimate existence. It is rather the multiverse, or the 10 dimensional quantum foam that is the reality itself. The basic principle is that energy cannot be destroyed, nor created ergo it has always existed. It just changes its form into different bubbles of vacua (universes) according to the uncertainty principle, which generates energy from inflation and have different outcomes. Then it decays back into other form.
GOD can also be applied .... because all things as a unit..... is the most powerful thing that can be..... when you pray... u ask.... this unit to help you... that unit cannot be with out you.....God ccannot be God without you......
I am an atheist as well as a naturalistic pantheism. I use the term atheist in order not to confuse people. Afterall, over 50% of the US population are assuming idiots.
Which God? You didn't specify. There are a lot of supposed gods and goddesses... how did you find the right one? Or was it just the first one shoved down your throat as a child?
god is going to kill you. you dope-smoking blasphemers. you'll have an eternity to ponder pantheism in hell. believe me now and hear me yesterday, me and god will be saying "i told you so."
wen u say who created universe,ma question will be who created god??if ur answer is no one created god,thn mine will be no one created universe so we can come to the conclusion universe is god or god is universe.....
There's still one curiosity that's itching at my skin, why are some Pantheists (Like Einstein) so against being called atheists, when their ontology is identical to atheists?
Perhaps it's like how a baseball player may be offended if you ask him "so, you hit balls with a wooden stick," although that's completely true, that isn't the essence of the game and distorts the position. By abstracting Pantheism into atheism, a persons most strongly held convictions may be ignored in his analysis.
@TwistedLemniscate I think some atheists prefer to be called pantheists because it is a 'positive' term. The term Pantheism implies belief in something, whereas 'athiesm', by definition, is NONbelief, suggesting negativity (perhaps to the ignorant). This leads to religious folk getting confused. Bless 'em.
@TwistedLemniscate Not really. I believe that the universe is god. Atheism is a reject in the beleif of any deities, therefore Pantheism is not atheism.
@BrianPSTJ Well with those definitions you're most certainly correct.
But I believe most people, including atheists, think of atheism as a rejection of personal gods. You believe the universe is god, but atheists believe in the universe, and it seems the only thing holding them back from calling it God is that they think of the term god as connoting a personal deity.
If the only difference of atheists and pantheists is how they define the word god, then that's not really a difference.
@TwistedLemniscate Atheism says that everything happens by chance and nothing has meaning, Pantheism defends that everything happens for a reason, and that the objective is to mantain existence in a balanced way (like the yin and yang). At least that's what I think :P
@ItsAllChaos Ah, well then by your books I'm neither atheist nor pantheist.
I suppose the only way someone can use definitions improperly is to try to change your beliefs to fit a definition, rather than finding the definition that fits your beliefs the closest.
@TwistedLemniscate Lol. But you didn't even remotely grasp what I said. Keep in mind that I can't wriye down my views about pantheism in a stupid youtube little comment.
@ItsAllChaos Ohh, I didn't? And btw, I wasn't implying you were using definitions improperly.
What do you mean when you say that Pantheism defends that "everything happens for a reason," do you mean happens for a reason like in the pre-decided by some consciousnsess (i.e. conscious universe) sense, or do you mean analogous to how axioms derive a proposition.
Hmm, I'm guessing though you mean the conscious universe one, for otherwise where an objective come from.
@TwistedLemniscate I mean that the universe puts everything in it's respective place, nothing happens by chance, everything that happens is nature unfolding itself and it could not be any other way. Not a consciousness, cause that's too much of an anthropomorphic definition, but yes I would say some kind of awareness of itself, that strives to keep every aspect of existence balanced, even though humans sometimes are too narrow minded to grasp the signs that nature reveals.
I'm still not satisfied by any of the definitions I've heard of Pantheism, but then it hit me. If such a belief that is (usually) arrived at non-verbally by its followers, then what sense does it make to categorize such thoughts using verbs.
Early Hinduism also was pretty close to Pantheism, and some sects and forms of worship in current Hinduism also are quite close to pantheism. While many Hindus worship the Gods as actual beings, some Shaivites, particularly the sadhus tend to "worship" Shiva as all, since there are rules about Brahma worship based on some conclusions made by philosophers in the past. Fascinating stuff huh?
Good morals and ethics aside from any religious doctrine will continue to remain more universal and outshine any of mans religions since hostile disagreements in the name of religions have been found to advance the majority of the wars throughout history. Religiousness and spiritualness differ. We can as individuals be spiritual yet not need to be part of a religion, religious industry, or cult. There's beauty in the mysteries of God & positive minded quest tend to promote growth and creativity.
I am truly happy to find my spiritual path. For a long time i always felt some sort of connection or belonging to nature. I remember learning a long time ago that we are really just part of star dust that formed billions of years ago. It is funny how you have the idea of pantheism but do not know its name until after you know your beliefs.
Tell me about it... I was conversing with a friend on Y!M about 4 years ago, telling her all about my beliefs, trying to phrase it best I could. And it took me quite a while to do so, too :)) And at the end, when I was finally done with all the typing, she says to me: "You mean you're a Pantheist?". So I Google it and skip a few heartbeats, because the online description perfectly fit my own beliefs. Even the phrasing fit!
And that's how I finally got a name for what I feel.
Neil Degrasse Tyson often speaks like he's a pantheist. I love the notion that although we are in the universe, the universe is also in us. We are all connected to the unverse atomically. Carl Sagan so poetically put it that we are a way for the cosmos to know itself. I think that could be true.
I just don't think that science should be treated like some kind of quasi religion since religion is what we're trying to get away from in the first place.
Why call nature "God" when you don't need too? It makes no real difference and Pantheism seems like a last ditch attempt at clinging on to the tiniest amount of religiosity left.
Great video. I too believe everything is energy, energyis everything. We are all connected. You should watch the documentary " The Elegant Universe". It's about the Theory of everything which is actually based on the String Theory. It will make you see everything excist out of energy and that's what Pantheism is all about. Don't let them trick you into believing that using energy is a bad thing, Everything excist out of energy. It's the way that energy is generated, that can be a bad thing!
@Maurintius The "energy" bit is EXACTLY what I believe, and have believed even before I knew the word for me was "Pantheist". I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who sees things that way, and will clearly try out "The Elegant Universe". Thanks for mentioning it here.
I can understand how someone could say nature is "god" or even many gods because it is what we come from and we are also it; can't separate yourself from it. thought of as a god it would be one that is mindless, a process. The universe has many brains- The universe includes all organisms as well as everything in space, but each organisms ratiocination can occur without the cooperation of others minds. It is what it is. But I believe we should love and respect it, we depend on it...
Pantheism is thawed ideology that doesn't understand the complexities of creation. For the simple reason that even the 3-element universe has to abide by its nature laws, i.e, what will happen if something disrupts the course of nature within the atmosphere of the universe? What would happen if the universe stopped following its laws? Therefore, to not acknowledge a divine law-giver is the same as trying to understand the function of the human body without knowing its science. Universe is matter
Pantheism is for atheists who are impressed by the resplendent nature of the universe, and who find anthropomorphic intepretations tenuous. I think an atheist can be a pantheist, as pantheism is not a religion, and term "God" is no creator deity, thusly, not an entity at all, but simply a term for th insurmountable notion of universe.
@UtopiaMinor666 In a sense the Universe did create us. We were created by our parents, who thru a long family chain originally owe their existence to the first humans, who owe their existence to Earth, which owes its existence to the Sun, etc. So it depends on how you look at it all. Personally, I think "God" is just a matter of perception. Pantheism (God = Universe) is just a way of subjectively viewing things, rather than a set of historical theories presented as objective facts (religion)
I have a pantheist lean, I've always been "spiritual", both before and after no longer believing in the supernatural. I love the universe. If I had an option, go to some eternal heaven or hell, or be reborn in a universe just like this one, I'd pick to come back, its such a lovely existence!
YOu take DMT and your are shown Pantheism.. why is that?? I DID NOT ASK FOR THAT>>>>>> It went against what I thought to be true and now I am so scared I am GOD and thus alone
Because we don't really think of the Universe or Multivers in the same way. It is entirely possible to just use the word "Universe" or "Multiverse" but it doesn't describe what we think or feel about it. It just describes what it literally is.
@gamermcgee Maybe Wikipedia is not a super-reliable source of knowledge, but it clearly says that in "Pantheism [...] the Universe and God are identical". If that is true telling god is universe is the same as telling x+y=z instead of just telling z or x+y. I don't know maybe you are giving some characteristics to universe, like mind or purpose, but then entity like that (i.e. universe + mind/purpose) is not universe. Universe is just a natural phenomenon.
@MarekNR Since (universe) y=x+z and God a = z + y, it becomes a forced logical definition. That is of course is because we are really talking about the same thing. If you mean God a = c (biblical character), a bibical character is still y (universe). However, what c did or didn't do is totally different. Did c really tell Moses the dearth ten commandments or was that just Moses? Did c really appear in a fiery cloud? We know a=c but what is C, imagination or real event?
This is not a monotheistic God we are talking about. We are however talking of the same Universe, I just feel a reverence to it like a Christian would to their biblical God. The Universe actually provides many of the characteristics of a God, just without the mind or purpose. It also provides other things that the biblical God does not.
OK this may sound crazy. Look at the Bible ACTS 17:28 where it says more or less 'in him we live and move and have out being - all things are held together by him'
Thats where I got my idea of God=Universe, or Universe=God. Never started, never ending just being. From it we come, to it we go, the Universe.
@chicraig6421 There are many other verses like this that if interpreted with pantheism as an idea start to make more sense. A good book to read about the gospels is by Deepak Chopra On Jesus' Enlightment, but he has a way of thinking of the universe as having some spiritual fabric to it, for some reason, I can't seem find validity in.
@Juefawn another buddhist quote that has helped me alot maybe youve heard it..."when you realize how perfect everything is..youre going to look up at the sky and laugh".
If God is energy, Could it be possible for him to become the hwole universe including stars planets, humans and everything since energy can become materia? And maybe he used a part of his energy to create ghosts? So when we see some objects fly its made by God in that case. So that would mean that you and me are God. The wind, the thunder and the rain is God.
I developed a counter-theory that is just like pantheism, expect without the word God attribute to existence. Instead God is just a concept, that can or can't be applied. See universialism.
@1macboo just as Panentheism is a snails breath away theism and yet both are almost the same except for one thing; in pantheism, "God is the whole"; in panentheism, "The whole is in God." That's almost like splitting a semantical hair and some people would even debate that they are both saying the same thing, but from different sides of the same fence. With the fence being; that ALL things are interconnected. Much closer to the truth than either theism/atheism which both separate man from God
Of course BUT both athiest and panthiest believe that they are on their own.....a panthiest believes in a God who doesn't hear or answer prayers so they don't pray....they both believe in schince and reason....not that far off.
This video is missing dying babies, horrible diseases, the terrible design of our planet with regards to the scarcity of resources on Africa, the follies of human nature, and what else...
I hate titles, liberal, pantheism, atheist, christian, black, white, fat, short, can we all just for once say fuck it, we are all human lets stop putting others down and giving people labels, and just realize that we need to use logic and knowledge aka science to progress and harmonize, this is not a cheesy quote its actually quite simple, ditch your bullocks religion and follow something we all have no choice but to believe in. Whether believe it or not does not change that it is there. Science
@EnchancedHuman If you look at science close enough, it too can act as another religion with all the arrogance, dogmas, ceremonies, and grandiose titles .
@coyoteself Obviously you do not know what science is. It is a subject. Knowledge, intelligence. You are confused, arrogance is not science, ceremonies are not science, but yes those grand titles are science and in no way represent religion. That is sick, and I am offended that you would even compare science to religion. Religion supports a God, science demotes God, religion is corrupt, science is pure, it is fact, it is theories, if it is not then it is not science.
@EnchancedHuman many people would say that religion is knowledge and intelligence as well (Something I don't ascribe to). And science does indeed have it's particular level of arrogance, and if you happen to be a scientist, then your vehement reply proves my point. In fact many scientist are very religious about their scientific theories (aka String & M). Some religions have even used corrupted science to prove Gods existence. Not all religions are corrupt tho, just as not all science is pure.
pantheism, what a great way for theists to twist the word "god" into "life force" and "universe". pantheists should stop using the word god to describe their beliefs. it's not the same as polytheism and and monotheism and needs separate terminology.
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Everything is eternal, becouse if anything exists than everything had to exist forever. If nothing existed than anything wouldn't come to existance, ever. Everything is infinite.
2 / 2 != 1
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SimonVDH 5 days ago
We`re not unique whatever you mean by that and we`re not the same biologically and psychologically as far as evolution, conditioning, and circumstance goes. And we don`t everlast because our consciousness and experience will disipitate into nothingness. The only thing that might make it into the future is the energy that has been accumulated over billions of years. It`s the body, not the ``us`` to put it simple. ``Eperience`` it and lose it, how senseless to the meaning of eternal.
Tetzukai 3 weeks ago
holographic universe theorey kind of says it all. In effect we are all holgraphic mass.
8osiris 3 weeks ago
What the universe is, or is not. doesn't matter because with, or with out us, the universe will continue to do what it does. Yet from our puny perspective, the universe is eternal and will be here longggg after mankind has disappeared. But from a cosmic perspective, the universe itself will die out out. Hmmmm but then again, that's accord to physicists. So who knows or cares? Because in relation to we humans that debate is rather moot. Unless...
coyoteself 3 weeks ago
The link between cause and effect and the principle that *no* phenomenon will set foot on the plain of being *without* a cause, are among the strongest deductions ever made by man and count as indispensable conditions for intellectual activity. They represent something natural and primordial, assimilated automatically by our minds.
1tabligh 1 month ago
what a joke.....so each one of us is god? ohhh wowww, dumb people!....
Dayhena 1 month ago
Hi! Please watch some of my philosophy vlogs if you enjoyed this work. Looking for some intelligent feedback. What do you think of my religion Buddhist Transhumanism, it can include pantheism?
Juefawn 1 month ago
Yes!
marcotmcom 1 month ago
What if the universe is a intelligent being? What if this "God" is the universe?
zoidberg96913 3 months ago
Simply wonderful,thanks !!
icarosilva16 3 months ago
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
1tabligh 3 months ago
@1tabligh you were speaking very well my friend, I was disappointed when I read the statement "all praise is due to allah" though. If you aknowledge that humans know nothing about the universe, you shouldn't believe in a fictional character created by them.
ItsAllChaos 1 month ago
@ItsAllChaos The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh exactly, they can't! Even if science explains everything around us, we're still limited to our limited human perception of reality, and we can't even grasp what lies beyond the known universe. But that is absolutely not a reason to believe in whatever god. That's just reason for us to be very humble and open our minds to whatever kind of "truth" lies out there...
ItsAllChaos 1 month ago
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped and the brainwashed atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh well I don't think there is a "creator", because nothing suggests me that thigs are created. We only see things transforming around us, over and over again. And it will be that way forever, long after our insignificant species and our little gods die.
ItsAllChaos 1 month ago
@ItsAllChaos Please see my vlog architect and the creative force.
Juefawn 1 month ago
@Juefawn done. Now can you tell me what song is used in this video? (I asked a looong time ago and got no answer) XD
ItsAllChaos 1 month ago
@ItsAllChaos The Need of the World for One Without Need!
The principle of causality is a general and universal law and foundation for all efforts of man, both in the acquisition of knowledge and in his customary activities. The strivings of scholars to uncover the cause of every phenomenon, whether natural or social, arise from the belief that *no* phenomenon originates in and of itself *without* the intervention of causes and agents.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh sure :) and you can never find the first cause, a bit like "what came first, the egg or the chicken?". We can see that every phenomenon has a cause, but then that cause had another cause before, and even that cause had previouses causes, and so on forever. And for every answer that we get, we only get like 10 more questions, there is always one step further, it never ends. If I were to believe in a god, I would still like to know how that god came to be.
ItsAllChaos 1 month ago
The Source of All Being is Free of Need for a Cause!
The followers of materialism pay much critical attention to the principle that God does not stand in need of a cause. They say if we suppose the Creator to be the origin of the world and the one who bestows existence upon it, all phenomena deriving their origination and continued existence from him, what cause has freed him of need for having a creator; what agent has caused him to come into being?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh but why? why should I believe in a god that is eternal, and not believe the universe itself is eternal? even if there was a god, things would still make no sense, life would still be meaningless. what's the meaning of spending eternity in heaven? why would god bother creating life on earth? it's too obvious that we made up gods in our own image. I believe in something kind of 'supernatural', but if it exists out of our universe, it most likely existes beyond our imagination as well.
ItsAllChaos 1 month ago
Imprisoned as we are within the four walls of matter, we *never* encounter anything accidental in life, and, indeed, no one ever encountered, in the history of the world, an accident *not* arising from a cause. Were this not the case, we might have an excuse for regarding the universe as accidental in origin. What kind of accident might it be that from the dawn of being to the present has guided the infinite interactions of all things, in so wondrous, precise and orderly a fashion?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@ItsAllChaos .....and not believe the universe itself is eternal?
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Matter has different aspects and dimensions; it is immersed in quantity and multiplicity; and it acquires its various dimensions by means of attributes and properties. The necessary being, by contrast, is *free* of all such properties.
1tabligh 1 month ago
so hitler was part of god?
OrganicKing 3 months ago
@OrganicKing Yes because free will is a apart of God. Being a part of God doesnt mean someone is going to make the most god-like choices.
RaGaZzAcCiO23 3 months ago
@OrganicKing Yes! And so is your stupid comment! :D everything in the universe serves a purpose :) keep in mind that "god" as a complete being must have his negative side too, aka devil. Separating the negative from positive, good from evil, is an illusion, for they complete each other.
ItsAllChaos 1 month ago
Life without consequence....is it possible?
jeanniem76 4 months ago
@jeanniem76 It is not life without consequence; You must be responsible for yourself.
ChibiMyuutsu 3 months ago in playlist More videos from Juefawn
the philosophy on this video seemed very derivative,
RefryDemon 5 months ago
I agree with almost everything your wrote, the only thing is everything and the universe are no longer synonymous. All of existence and everything that exist is god, not just the universe. I enjoyed your video and always enjoy talking with fellow pantheist.
TheQuiggz 6 months ago
the more i look for evidence against panthiesm, the more i find to support it. All i have to do is go outside and walk around. Check out radiolaria, Ernst Haeckel, fractals, psyliocybin affects on consciousness
hayden1516 6 months ago
the more i look for evidence against panthiesm, the more i find to support it. All i have to do is go outside and walk around
hayden1516 6 months ago
we only know that our area of the universe is expanding. for such a tiny part of the universe, to accept that as proof of the big bang is assuming a lot. for all we know there is another part of the universe shrinking! physics differ throughout the universe.
PutItOnnBigL 6 months ago
Reality is just a figment of the conscious perception. We are here to account for creation and existence, thus we are all creation/God, just as all living things are.
Trunkos45 6 months ago
sorry but i disagree with your statement of what pantheism is about...if you state universe is eternal...then that is faith...because until forever is over you cannot test it...therefore even pantheism requiressome faith...science cannot prove empirically that something is eternal...because it takes an eternity to test it..i am pantheist...and it requires faith in natural material...not spirits...but still faith is required
arkee71 6 months ago
420
aajjttww 7 months ago
the universe may not be eternal but how about the empty space that holds it? the vacuum as scientists call it, does it end if the universe ends?
pcbb01 7 months ago
@pcbb01 There's no point in saying something "holds" the universe. If the universe was in something, then that would be part of the universe.
aluisious 7 months ago
@pcbb01 Yes i agree :). I came across this. "At the advent of day, all things springs forth from the Cosmic Nature; At the advent of night they get dissolved into that same known as the Non manifest.
That space/vacuum is God/Spirit. All things come from the invisible into the visible and back into the invisible at the end of creation.
raunholt 6 months ago
something no religion or science can answer...
where, how, when and why do we exist?
where "we" "are" "now" the fundamental forces of nature and matter rules. but what rules in the vacuum outside spacetime?
we're gonna need a few hundred more brilliant minds around that...
as for the moment I'am in a atheist/pantheist mode cause it seems most logical
SweRaider1993 7 months ago
who cares?
not me
just live and do what you want
outlawformetal614 8 months ago
Pantheism somewhat explains more what an atheist believes.
connerjd 8 months ago
What is the painting from 1:50? i cant find it online. beautiful art
worserpuddle 8 months ago
Humans in their "infinite wisdom" sought to domesticate "god" or the life force and use it to control people, "god" took on human properties and began to care about human activities because humans had no knowledge that they weren't that important. Now that we are aware of this, we must handle our problems and not wait for an invisible man in the sky to fix them for us.
Zurie53225 8 months ago
There is a problem in your reasoning.
We KNOW that the universe is expanding.
Its observable.
Its been proven, by Hubble actually.
In 1929.
If it is expanding, than it was once smaller.
If it was once smaller, it had a begining at some point in the very distant past.
Therefore the universe is not eternal.
Ihatemelee 8 months ago
@Ihatemelee That's not my reasoning.
See Big Cycle of Big crunch.
Juefawn 8 months ago
@Juefawn There now saying big crunch is out... something about dark matter and accelerated expansion. idk i like the rest tho :)
ShockyPillar19 7 months ago
@Juefawn I love this, in fact if everyone realised this was true, and that there was no such thing as a natural justice system, everyone could eventually chip together and make the Earth a better place. By the way, where is the soundtrack from?
Trunkos45 6 months ago
@Juefawn If your mind can "imagine", "conjure up", "make up, manufacture, invent creatively" the possibility or concept of Big Crunch and Multiverse with no evidence for it whatsoever, only mere wishful thinking, then why can't you accept the possibility of a Creator God when there is scientific evidence (Intelligent Design) that can be very nicely interpreted that way? Why invent complete and obvious fairy-tales where a more rational scientific explanation is quite evident already?
4GodSoLoves 5 months ago
@Ihatemelee So, what is there, external to our expanding universe? Nothing? I can hardly come up with a concept of "nothingness" cause even when you think about "nothing", you're thinking about something. If that something is beyond our universe, we're part of that something which you call nothing. I honestly think it is impossible for the universe not to be infinite. It is rather a paradox. I see the universe as an eternal omnipresent nothing. Its like time. We measure it, but it doesn't exist.
ItsAllChaos 7 months ago
@ItsAllChaos space didnt exist until after the formation of the universe, time as well but time is relative (see einsteins stuff for that) if there is an external to our universe it would be an unknown. if time and space didn't exist until the universe did then "nothing" would be outside of it. yes i know humans have a hard time with understanding "nothingness" usualy we conceptualize a vacume or emptiness, but even that is somthing, i get that. if there is an external it is as of yet, unknown.
Ihatemelee 7 months ago
@Ihatemelee And what was before that begining?
Current physics can only explain some time after the big bang. But What generated The big bang?
Even if you came with an answer, there will be the possibility of what was before. So for me that makes it enternal
Alexsuper15 7 months ago
@Alexsuper15 there was no time, i know its hard to grasp, but tell me, if there was no time, when was this before you speak of?
Ihatemelee 7 months ago
@Ihatemelee Where did you get that there was no time as in classical physics?. Physics at our current lvl just dont know what happened before.
An even if there was no time a bigger question still lies.
What set this Big Bang event in motion? Its even a greater unknow.
Alexsuper15 7 months ago
@Alexsuper15 they havent just thrown that away you know.
Ihatemelee 7 months ago
Doesn't mean that because it looks like it had been expanding, that it was actually expanding. Maybe the universe started expanding when hubble proved it. We create, remember?
brianfinn7 6 months ago
@Ihatemelee Just because it has been smaller does not mean it had a beginning.
BuerOfficial 5 months ago
@Ihatemelee "Beginnings" happen all the time right in fromt of our eyes. Where does a new seedling come from ?= It falls from a fully grown tree..... I suspect that the "big bang" was/ is the expansion of a multiverse through a blackhole into our known universe.
abyssalanguish 4 months ago
@abyssalanguish I agree with that statement about how things came to be. If you look into things like the Rodin coil and new theories of the universe, you'll find this is seemingly true. Still looking for a great explanation of the whole ordeal though.
Juefawn 4 months ago
@Juefawn Interesting, I just read about the Rodin coil.....
According to Rodin, the coil represents the underpinning geometry of the universe, which draws its non-decaying energy from the vortex, the zero.
That being said, I as well strive to find greater explanations, but often think that the best "explanation" of all does not exist in words or theories but in the zero consciousness of Zazen.
abyssalanguish 4 months ago
@abyssalanguish That is not a new beginning, but a cycle. Life is cyclical.
ChibiMyuutsu 3 months ago in playlist More videos from Juefawn
@ChibiMyuutsu hence why i put the word beginning in quotations. there is never a true beginning or end, only the infinite evolution of the present moment in motion.
abyssalanguish 3 months ago
@Ihatemelee yes but theres more to the universe...its called "the unobservable universe"...and this is what most misunderstand as being god...they suppose that what they cannot see is out of nature...yet its not..there was no begginning just a transition from one time frame to one that we can grasp physically...just because i cant live in yesterday doesent mean its beyond physical...energy has always been and always will be...but energy is not the god of supernatural religions
arkee71 4 months ago
@Ihatemelee When they say it's expanding, I think they just mean the "visible universe" is expanding. Meaning the light is only reaching us now. The furthest visible galaxy is currently 13.2 Billion light years away, which means the Universe is much older than 13.2 Billion years old.
Trunkos45 3 months ago
@Ihatemelee I think the pantheist idea does not specify this universe as the ultimate existence. It is rather the multiverse, or the 10 dimensional quantum foam that is the reality itself. The basic principle is that energy cannot be destroyed, nor created ergo it has always existed. It just changes its form into different bubbles of vacua (universes) according to the uncertainty principle, which generates energy from inflation and have different outcomes. Then it decays back into other form.
CreativeVisionary92 2 months ago
@Ihatemelee the universe is an organism it was born now its growing/expanding. it may be eternal I dont know but it is finite if it is growing
sirunlalala 4 weeks ago
@sirunlalala An organism? No it isn't...
Tetzukai 3 weeks ago
GOD can also be applied .... because all things as a unit..... is the most powerful thing that can be..... when you pray... u ask.... this unit to help you... that unit cannot be with out you.....God ccannot be God without you......
codehendrix 8 months ago
I am an atheist as well as a naturalistic pantheism. I use the term atheist in order not to confuse people. Afterall, over 50% of the US population are assuming idiots.
connerjd 8 months ago
Namaste!
Eponae 8 months ago
I have answered this question on my channel comments!.
Irish7Winter9 9 months ago
We're all one and we will soon know it. The most we feel good about each other the better for our tranformation
Joylevinstein 9 months ago
@aajjttww
Which God? You didn't specify. There are a lot of supposed gods and goddesses... how did you find the right one? Or was it just the first one shoved down your throat as a child?
taicleis 9 months ago
@taicleis god is just a figure. we're to accept a bigger idea, one that contains god, human and nature in it. and beyond
Joylevinstein 9 months ago
god is going to kill you. you dope-smoking blasphemers. you'll have an eternity to ponder pantheism in hell. believe me now and hear me yesterday, me and god will be saying "i told you so."
aajjttww 9 months ago
@aajjttww I so pity the brainwashed fanaticals who never grew up and learned how to THINK.
Hootowl54 9 months ago
1:28 the muslim guy is thinking about a bomb, you shouldn't put there that image xD but awesome video anyway, thank you :DD
ItsAllChaos 9 months ago
@ItsAllChaos I think that picture is satirical, it's all the modern stereotypes in our society...
mordustine 9 months ago
@mordustine Oh right.. I was really dumb for not noticing that xD by the way, if you find out the name of the song please tell me :)
ItsAllChaos 9 months ago
Whats the name of the music playing in this vid?
mordustine 9 months ago
wen u say who created universe,ma question will be who created god??if ur answer is no one created god,thn mine will be no one created universe so we can come to the conclusion universe is god or god is universe.....
requiem4floyd 9 months ago
There's still one curiosity that's itching at my skin, why are some Pantheists (Like Einstein) so against being called atheists, when their ontology is identical to atheists?
Perhaps it's like how a baseball player may be offended if you ask him "so, you hit balls with a wooden stick," although that's completely true, that isn't the essence of the game and distorts the position. By abstracting Pantheism into atheism, a persons most strongly held convictions may be ignored in his analysis.
TwistedLemniscate 10 months ago
@TwistedLemniscate I think some atheists prefer to be called pantheists because it is a 'positive' term. The term Pantheism implies belief in something, whereas 'athiesm', by definition, is NONbelief, suggesting negativity (perhaps to the ignorant). This leads to religious folk getting confused. Bless 'em.
BledZeppelin 9 months ago
@TwistedLemniscate Not really. I believe that the universe is god. Atheism is a reject in the beleif of any deities, therefore Pantheism is not atheism.
BrianPSTJ 7 months ago
@BrianPSTJ Well with those definitions you're most certainly correct.
But I believe most people, including atheists, think of atheism as a rejection of personal gods. You believe the universe is god, but atheists believe in the universe, and it seems the only thing holding them back from calling it God is that they think of the term god as connoting a personal deity.
If the only difference of atheists and pantheists is how they define the word god, then that's not really a difference.
TwistedLemniscate 7 months ago
@TwistedLemniscate Atheism says that everything happens by chance and nothing has meaning, Pantheism defends that everything happens for a reason, and that the objective is to mantain existence in a balanced way (like the yin and yang). At least that's what I think :P
ItsAllChaos 7 months ago
@ItsAllChaos Ah, well then by your books I'm neither atheist nor pantheist.
I suppose the only way someone can use definitions improperly is to try to change your beliefs to fit a definition, rather than finding the definition that fits your beliefs the closest.
TwistedLemniscate 7 months ago
@TwistedLemniscate Lol. But you didn't even remotely grasp what I said. Keep in mind that I can't wriye down my views about pantheism in a stupid youtube little comment.
ItsAllChaos 7 months ago
@ItsAllChaos Ohh, I didn't? And btw, I wasn't implying you were using definitions improperly.
What do you mean when you say that Pantheism defends that "everything happens for a reason," do you mean happens for a reason like in the pre-decided by some consciousnsess (i.e. conscious universe) sense, or do you mean analogous to how axioms derive a proposition.
Hmm, I'm guessing though you mean the conscious universe one, for otherwise where an objective come from.
TwistedLemniscate 7 months ago
@TwistedLemniscate I mean that the universe puts everything in it's respective place, nothing happens by chance, everything that happens is nature unfolding itself and it could not be any other way. Not a consciousness, cause that's too much of an anthropomorphic definition, but yes I would say some kind of awareness of itself, that strives to keep every aspect of existence balanced, even though humans sometimes are too narrow minded to grasp the signs that nature reveals.
ItsAllChaos 6 months ago
I'm still not satisfied by any of the definitions I've heard of Pantheism, but then it hit me. If such a belief that is (usually) arrived at non-verbally by its followers, then what sense does it make to categorize such thoughts using verbs.
TwistedLemniscate 10 months ago
Early Hinduism also was pretty close to Pantheism, and some sects and forms of worship in current Hinduism also are quite close to pantheism. While many Hindus worship the Gods as actual beings, some Shaivites, particularly the sadhus tend to "worship" Shiva as all, since there are rules about Brahma worship based on some conclusions made by philosophers in the past. Fascinating stuff huh?
HearingEveryRhyme 10 months ago
The Elegant Universe
JGhipHOP101 10 months ago
@Juefawn Taoist pantheism goes back almost 3000 years.
SilentKombat 10 months ago
@SilentKombat
Is that what taoism is?
ivlfounder 10 months ago
@ivlfounder Yes. Read "Tao te ching"
SilentKombat 10 months ago
@Juefawn I was about to ask what possessed you to address her with the word "Whore", when I finally saw what her username was :))) Geez.
CaramidaCaramizie 10 months ago
Good morals and ethics aside from any religious doctrine will continue to remain more universal and outshine any of mans religions since hostile disagreements in the name of religions have been found to advance the majority of the wars throughout history. Religiousness and spiritualness differ. We can as individuals be spiritual yet not need to be part of a religion, religious industry, or cult. There's beauty in the mysteries of God & positive minded quest tend to promote growth and creativity.
lllwindrunner 10 months ago
I am truly happy to find my spiritual path. For a long time i always felt some sort of connection or belonging to nature. I remember learning a long time ago that we are really just part of star dust that formed billions of years ago. It is funny how you have the idea of pantheism but do not know its name until after you know your beliefs.
TheRedWolf080 10 months ago
@TheRedWolf080
Tell me about it... I was conversing with a friend on Y!M about 4 years ago, telling her all about my beliefs, trying to phrase it best I could. And it took me quite a while to do so, too :)) And at the end, when I was finally done with all the typing, she says to me: "You mean you're a Pantheist?". So I Google it and skip a few heartbeats, because the online description perfectly fit my own beliefs. Even the phrasing fit!
And that's how I finally got a name for what I feel.
CaramidaCaramizie 10 months ago
LIES
warmfuzzydeath 11 months ago
great video, thanks a lot :)
I've thought for a long time that this is the truth but I didn't realise there was a name for it
btw what's the song in the vid? I love it!
MrBenedictDonovan 11 months ago 8
@Juefawn Actually it was around in the east even before the greeks.
davencarp1991 11 months ago
Neil Degrasse Tyson often speaks like he's a pantheist. I love the notion that although we are in the universe, the universe is also in us. We are all connected to the unverse atomically. Carl Sagan so poetically put it that we are a way for the cosmos to know itself. I think that could be true.
Slugg329 11 months ago
the pantheist conception of god is the ultimate ensemble of unified theory. The Vibration of Eternity
acceptthevoid 11 months ago
I just don't think that science should be treated like some kind of quasi religion since religion is what we're trying to get away from in the first place.
MasterAdam100 11 months ago
Why call nature "God" when you don't need too? It makes no real difference and Pantheism seems like a last ditch attempt at clinging on to the tiniest amount of religiosity left.
MasterAdam100 11 months ago
This video is so spot on. May you be truly blessed for posting such an enlightening video. Thank you.
saintben2008 1 year ago
Lou thank you.
Also, its not really the universe, its the multiverse. :)
Juefawn 1 year ago 3
@Juefawn Academic Pantheists refute the idea of a multi-verse....
mordustine 9 months ago
@Juefawn
No as in your theory without god. That is called scientific pantheism.
MrConsumerWhore1 1 year ago
Hate to break it to you but this theory has existed for years. It's called scientific pantheism.
MrConsumerWhore1 1 year ago
Great video. I too believe everything is energy, energyis everything. We are all connected. You should watch the documentary " The Elegant Universe". It's about the Theory of everything which is actually based on the String Theory. It will make you see everything excist out of energy and that's what Pantheism is all about. Don't let them trick you into believing that using energy is a bad thing, Everything excist out of energy. It's the way that energy is generated, that can be a bad thing!
Maurintius 1 year ago
@Maurintius The "energy" bit is EXACTLY what I believe, and have believed even before I knew the word for me was "Pantheist". I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who sees things that way, and will clearly try out "The Elegant Universe". Thanks for mentioning it here.
CaramidaCaramizie 10 months ago
I can understand how someone could say nature is "god" or even many gods because it is what we come from and we are also it; can't separate yourself from it. thought of as a god it would be one that is mindless, a process. The universe has many brains- The universe includes all organisms as well as everything in space, but each organisms ratiocination can occur without the cooperation of others minds. It is what it is. But I believe we should love and respect it, we depend on it...
tantrangle 1 year ago
I've been researching this topic, and I've created a few videos regarding it. Come look at my channel, I want to know what you think about it :)
sincevera 1 year ago
Pantheism is thawed ideology that doesn't understand the complexities of creation. For the simple reason that even the 3-element universe has to abide by its nature laws, i.e, what will happen if something disrupts the course of nature within the atmosphere of the universe? What would happen if the universe stopped following its laws? Therefore, to not acknowledge a divine law-giver is the same as trying to understand the function of the human body without knowing its science. Universe is matter
songwriter4artists 1 year ago
Pantheism is for atheists who are impressed by the resplendent nature of the universe, and who find anthropomorphic intepretations tenuous. I think an atheist can be a pantheist, as pantheism is not a religion, and term "God" is no creator deity, thusly, not an entity at all, but simply a term for th insurmountable notion of universe.
UtopiaMinor666 1 year ago 20
@UtopiaMinor666 In a sense the Universe did create us. We were created by our parents, who thru a long family chain originally owe their existence to the first humans, who owe their existence to Earth, which owes its existence to the Sun, etc. So it depends on how you look at it all. Personally, I think "God" is just a matter of perception. Pantheism (God = Universe) is just a way of subjectively viewing things, rather than a set of historical theories presented as objective facts (religion)
LighterOfDewbies 11 months ago
@UtopiaMinor666 You probably think a coin has one side rather than two.
07Aristotle 4 months ago
Islam is the truth.
Leon612 1 year ago
@Leon612 bahahaha
UtopiaMinor666 1 year ago
@UtopiaMinor666 bahahaha
UtopiaMinor666 11 months ago
Man, I'm really don't know if I'm a panatheist >.>
I believe that all the galaxies, filiments, and stars makes up God, or the universe (Many may call it)
God has the same counciousness as stars and galaxies do. (Don't know if he has one)
killerboyfoolz 1 year ago
Excuse me, does anyone know the name of the painting at 1:47?
Radivoi 1 year ago
@Radivoi I believe it is called "lady justice eternal" but idk for sure.
MrLetmepeeinyourbutt 1 year ago
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Radivoi 1 year ago
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Radivoi 1 year ago
Btw, what is the song?
gamermcgee 1 year ago
this is awesome.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
I have a pantheist lean, I've always been "spiritual", both before and after no longer believing in the supernatural. I love the universe. If I had an option, go to some eternal heaven or hell, or be reborn in a universe just like this one, I'd pick to come back, its such a lovely existence!
spartacandream 1 year ago
I really don't see it as a 'God' you refer to .
It's just a power of the universe morelike.
Nighthawk81100 1 year ago
u call it god but we already have a name for it . . . the universe.
keggerous 1 year ago
YOu take DMT and your are shown Pantheism.. why is that?? I DID NOT ASK FOR THAT>>>>>> It went against what I thought to be true and now I am so scared I am GOD and thus alone
ausfoolia1111 1 year ago
@ausfoolia1111 What is alone? What is fear? What does it solve?
Juefawn 1 year ago
Everything is God to me, however i do not believe that we are in the only universe out there, i think there a millions. how fucking awesome is that.
waltzingpeter 1 year ago
@waltzingpeter Why do you think there are "millions" of other universes?
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn
"All that we see or seem. Is but a dream within a dream" E. A. Poe.
I am not going to teach you on multiple universes, but if you are interested send me a message and i will reply.
Greetings.
waltzingpeter 1 year ago
@Juefawn i will answer that, because god is infinate, so why make 1 finite universe?
Rockinator08 1 year ago
@waltzingpeter Millions? I'd say more like infinite other universes. Millions of universes is such a small number.
spartacandream 1 year ago
I never really understood this concept - pantheism. If the god is universe, why use word god if we have word universe?
MarekNR 1 year ago
@MarekNR God implies that its something revered or held in high esteem
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream I agree, a kind of high-value. But it also may include other properties. I think it is important survival wise to do such.
Juefawn 1 year ago
@MarekNR
Because we don't really think of the Universe or Multivers in the same way. It is entirely possible to just use the word "Universe" or "Multiverse" but it doesn't describe what we think or feel about it. It just describes what it literally is.
gamermcgee 1 year ago
@gamermcgee Maybe Wikipedia is not a super-reliable source of knowledge, but it clearly says that in "Pantheism [...] the Universe and God are identical". If that is true telling god is universe is the same as telling x+y=z instead of just telling z or x+y. I don't know maybe you are giving some characteristics to universe, like mind or purpose, but then entity like that (i.e. universe + mind/purpose) is not universe. Universe is just a natural phenomenon.
MarekNR 1 year ago
@MarekNR Since (universe) y=x+z and God a = z + y, it becomes a forced logical definition. That is of course is because we are really talking about the same thing. If you mean God a = c (biblical character), a bibical character is still y (universe). However, what c did or didn't do is totally different. Did c really tell Moses the dearth ten commandments or was that just Moses? Did c really appear in a fiery cloud? We know a=c but what is C, imagination or real event?
Juefawn 1 year ago
@MarekNR
I never said the Universe had mind or purpose.
This is not a monotheistic God we are talking about. We are however talking of the same Universe, I just feel a reverence to it like a Christian would to their biblical God. The Universe actually provides many of the characteristics of a God, just without the mind or purpose. It also provides other things that the biblical God does not.
gamermcgee 1 year ago
@gamermcgee
but the universe does have mind!
me and you and MarekNR are minding right now!
alliant 1 year ago
@alliant Woah.. I never thought about that. I'll have to later tonight. Hopefully my head doesn't explode. Cool thought, dude.
gamermcgee 1 year ago
OK this may sound crazy. Look at the Bible ACTS 17:28 where it says more or less 'in him we live and move and have out being - all things are held together by him'
Thats where I got my idea of God=Universe, or Universe=God. Never started, never ending just being. From it we come, to it we go, the Universe.
Guess I'm a Pantheist.
chicraig6421 1 year ago
@chicraig6421 There are many other verses like this that if interpreted with pantheism as an idea start to make more sense. A good book to read about the gospels is by Deepak Chopra On Jesus' Enlightment, but he has a way of thinking of the universe as having some spiritual fabric to it, for some reason, I can't seem find validity in.
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn Thanks
chicraig6421 1 year ago
We are a way, for the universe to know itself - carl sagan.
TheVanillaFaceXD 1 year ago
Holy shit thats a good fucking damn line right there man.
"Its not just a bunch of stuff happening, its the only stuff happening."
Is that original or did you lift it somewhere? Either way, thank you.
ZacksEnder 1 year ago
@ZacksEnder
If you mean my line, I love you with all my heart=)
If you mean my line then yes I thought of it myself without knowing about something like Patheism
if you not mean my line Im embarresed
4terrainprojects 1 year ago
@ZacksEnder Original. There are others in here that may not be mine. For example I quote some Buddhism. Peace.
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn another buddhist quote that has helped me alot maybe youve heard it..."when you realize how perfect everything is..youre going to look up at the sky and laugh".
arkee71 1 year ago
If God is energy, Could it be possible for him to become the hwole universe including stars planets, humans and everything since energy can become materia? And maybe he used a part of his energy to create ghosts? So when we see some objects fly its made by God in that case. So that would mean that you and me are God. The wind, the thunder and the rain is God.
4terrainprojects 1 year ago
I developed a counter-theory that is just like pantheism, expect without the word God attribute to existence. Instead God is just a concept, that can or can't be applied. See universialism.
Juefawn 1 year ago
Pantheisms need to spread the word more about what pantheism is.
connerjd 1 year ago
pantheism is a snails breath away from athiesm i guess....Panenthiesm however works.
1macboo 1 year ago
@1macboo just as Panentheism is a snails breath away theism and yet both are almost the same except for one thing; in pantheism, "God is the whole"; in panentheism, "The whole is in God." That's almost like splitting a semantical hair and some people would even debate that they are both saying the same thing, but from different sides of the same fence. With the fence being; that ALL things are interconnected. Much closer to the truth than either theism/atheism which both separate man from God
coyoteself 1 year ago
@1macboo Nope , because Atheists do not believe in any God .
Pantheist Believe God is everything .
justmyself991 1 year ago
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Of course BUT both athiest and panthiest believe that they are on their own.....a panthiest believes in a God who doesn't hear or answer prayers so they don't pray....they both believe in schince and reason....not that far off.
1macboo 1 year ago
If you read all of it This video is a mindfuck
setustraight 1 year ago
This video is missing dying babies, horrible diseases, the terrible design of our planet with regards to the scarcity of resources on Africa, the follies of human nature, and what else...
Oh yea, reality!
fearmycomment 1 year ago
I hate titles, liberal, pantheism, atheist, christian, black, white, fat, short, can we all just for once say fuck it, we are all human lets stop putting others down and giving people labels, and just realize that we need to use logic and knowledge aka science to progress and harmonize, this is not a cheesy quote its actually quite simple, ditch your bullocks religion and follow something we all have no choice but to believe in. Whether believe it or not does not change that it is there. Science
EnchancedHuman 1 year ago
@EnchancedHuman If you look at science close enough, it too can act as another religion with all the arrogance, dogmas, ceremonies, and grandiose titles .
coyoteself 1 year ago
@coyoteself Obviously you do not know what science is. It is a subject. Knowledge, intelligence. You are confused, arrogance is not science, ceremonies are not science, but yes those grand titles are science and in no way represent religion. That is sick, and I am offended that you would even compare science to religion. Religion supports a God, science demotes God, religion is corrupt, science is pure, it is fact, it is theories, if it is not then it is not science.
EnchancedHuman 1 year ago
@EnchancedHuman many people would say that religion is knowledge and intelligence as well (Something I don't ascribe to). And science does indeed have it's particular level of arrogance, and if you happen to be a scientist, then your vehement reply proves my point. In fact many scientist are very religious about their scientific theories (aka String & M). Some religions have even used corrupted science to prove Gods existence. Not all religions are corrupt tho, just as not all science is pure.
coyoteself 1 year ago
pantheism, what a great way for theists to twist the word "god" into "life force" and "universe". pantheists should stop using the word god to describe their beliefs. it's not the same as polytheism and and monotheism and needs separate terminology.
Anon12356 1 year ago
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coyoteself 1 year ago