Joseph Joachim Romanze in C

[leoncioviolin]

BELLÍSIMO

[MrGer2295]

Joseph Joachim(1831-1907)

was a Hungarian violinist, conductor, composer and teacher.

wow! Beautiful piece!!! Thank you very much for sharing.

[stringscgda]

less vibrato because that's how he was taught by a long line of instructional ancestry since baroque times.. his student, leopard auer said in his "violin as i teach it" book that vibrato should only be used for long duration notes. There are many other ways to express yourself other than vibrato. The bow for example.. :)

[leoncioviolin]

precioso

[Kievest]

This style of playing has a timeless expressivity and spontaneous emotionality

about it that has a deep affect on the senses and the soul! Joachim forges

a direct link between the music and the listener! It's no wonder that Brahms

chose him to debut his violin concerto! Thank you poldi24 for posting this

archival gem and to paulostroff99 for sharing!

[paulostroff99]

Awesome! TY.

[lovesGenet]

Joachim taught Auer.U better believe Auer had sense of his own.Auer a paganini.Never was he famous that waymaybe Sarasate orWieniawski.AnywayAuer was the beginning of something new! Heifetz was a genius auer couldn't believe the little boy who was brought to him.This idea of"begetting" is silly.Czerny was not the beginning of Liszt.Imagination took these men higher .They were new in themselves.Czerny didn't play the op.106 did he?Liszt did!

[marcxopoco]

@lovesGenet

Beethoven chose Czerny to play the first performance of Beethoven's opus 106.

Beethoven went over the piece with Czerny before Czerny played its first performance.

Get basic biogs of Beethoven for this easily available information.

[shiveringflower]

Joachim taught Auer,Auer taught Milstein,Heifetz and Elman-so the legacy lived on,sort of. To my ears this recording comes closest to the human voice that a violinist has achieved.

I absolutely love Joachim,and my time travel wish would be to go back and try to persuade him to teach me. I think his Bach is still unsurpassed.

[ComfortablyUnnumb]

@shiveringflower I'd like to emphasize the point about the human singing voice, that is the right idea...bel canto! the larouche youth movement is intervening into the degenerate culture to revive these classical geniuses, by reliving there discoveries and communicating their ideas through performance

[tnikoloudis]

everyone who is able to find his own voice is on the way to be great artist i guess.concider that those giants of those times didnt had the oppprtunity to listen and learn from other players,thay had no choise except from their teacher and their own instict.but this is why its one sounded different!

[shiveringflower]

Hi,if you are interested in the concept of 'own voice',then you might find the English violinist Albert Sammons of interest.He only had 12 lessons,after that he had to rely on his own ingenuity.He succeeded in teaching himself some of the most challenging(mostly English) concerti of the 20th century.This self reliance enabled him to become a great teacher. His recording of the Elgar concerto is utterly magnificent,with a huge tone and crackling with emotion.

[brother234]

just wonerful, to be able to listen to this alone is just wonderful. Thank you. And to those who can't hear, he can play just fine. A wizard of the past. He was the stuff back then. all you can say for the critic is the critic would have been sittin there listenen to him with utter jealousy not knowing how he performed his majic. Ha ha to you arrogant critics of this Father of Violin style.

[wks1978]

Wer're getting far too many comments on this video from people who are obviously non-musicians or amateurs at best....

[mauriwayar]

imagine...he played with Mendelssohn and was a friend of Brahms...of course he has the authority to show us how german romantic music is to be played...but we all have forgotten it! ;-)

[Beeffyviolin]

I know I'll be chastised for saying this.... but wow, we've come a long way since 100 years ago. If this guy was alive today he'd be a really really good amateur. Of course now we have thousands of books and websites on technique.  This guy had to just do it without any kind of real guidance. That is the genius of the great players of 100 years ago.

[poseuresque]

do you know who this man is, how many cadenzas he's responsible for alone? what a central figure he is in the development of violin playing as we understand it?

it sounds tinny, sure enough...if you ever record yourself on something crappy, such as a voice recorder, it will turn out the same...sounding more like a trumpet than a violin. try and locate some other recordings of his on youtube, you'll notice a pronounced difference.

[empoleon9999]

I chastise you.

[bigmelt]

Look, I understand where you're coming from, but the the truth is he's actually quite technically adept even by modern standards - certainly not an amateur. I think you're probably thrown off by his lack of a vibrato - it makes even slight intonation problems much more apparent. If you listen, to his double stops, for instance, they're actually quite in tune. It's true that he can't really compete against the best concert violinists in the last century, but he's much better than an any amateur

[Beeffyviolin]

Ya... he doesn't vigrate on a lot of notes he should be vibrating on and it ends up breaking up the phrase or just sounding like dead notes. However his core tone is beautiful. I don't think he'd be able to get a job in a major symphony orchestra though....... I don't mean to take away from his genius. He raised the bar... Just like the worlds fastest runner from 100 years ago was great but if he ran the same today he wouldn't even make it passed the trials for the olympics...

[wks1978]

haha.."he should be vibrating on"

[bigmelt]

vibrato isn't difficult to do, it's a stylistic choice. At the turn of the century when this was recorded, vibrato wasn't really done like it is today. It's just a stylistic difference. Over the past century, vibrato has stylistically become more and more important (if you listen to violinists like Heifetz, they vibrated all the time but their vibrato was much more narrow and controlled)

[Beeffyviolin]

Sorry... but I have to disagree with you. Not that vibrato is a stylistic choice. It is. You're right about that. But it is not easy. We forget (or choose not to) vibrate on notes before and after shifts and for some reason it's difficult to vibrate on 1rst finger when you have moving notes. I think it's because we tend to tense up when using the 1rst finger.... some violin technique explaned there. Not sure if you got it or not. Cheers

[wks1978]

If you tense up when using your first finger, that's your problem, you can't accuse everyone of doing it.

[Beeffyviolin]

Ya but I teach a lot and I see that problem on a regular basis with students (and professionals sometimes).

[shiveringflower]

I disagree,I think Joachim would easily hold his own,technically,against any 20th century violinist. Joachim was regarded as being better than Paganini,and many people would have heard both. Remember that Joachim was very old,for the time,when these recordings were made(72 i think).Moreover,by this time his hands were crippled with arthritis,one finger of his left hand being permanently misshapen.

[ComfortablyUnnumb]

@shiveringflower oh, and one more thing, join our fight to change the pitch back(as Verdi et al have discovered) to C=256!

[taiwan886]

@shiveringflower Are you kidding me??????? For one thing, players today have to vibrate! I don't care if he was 72 in this recording....he wouldn't have had a chance to Heifetz, Oistrakh, Kremer...Paganini Caprices were just the beginning...I mean...Joachim playing Berio Sequenza? impossible!

[shiveringflower]

@taiwan886 Plenty of people play this way,have you ever heard The Orchestra Of The Age Of Enlightenment or any other authentic performers?I am certainly not alone in thinking that the heavy vibrato of heifetz et al is unattracive and often inappropriate. The Paganini Caprices weren't the most difficult pieces to play, even in Paganinis era.Have you ever tried to play Ernst's Six Polyphonic Etudes,many violinists,Milstein included,rate these as the most difficult pieces written for the violin.

[shiveringflower]

@taiwan886 Do you really think that the Caprices mark the "begining"? What about Bach's Sonatas and Partitas? You underestimate the diminishing effect of age and have also ignored my point about Joachim's hands being severely arthritic.

[marcxopoco]

@shiveringflower

Joachim was never regarded as being a better violinist than Paganini.

Stop making up crap.

Joachim was a great musician and interpreter--but no Paganini technically. Neither was anyone else.

[shiveringflower]

@marcxopoco You should remove your blinkers and do some research.Mendelssohn was just one person amongst many who thought Joachim better,nicknaming him "Teufelsbraten" (devil's limb/arm). As for Paganini-have you never heard of Ernst?Slightly younger than Paganini,nevertheless their careers overlapped and many people who heard Paganini at his peak and then heard Ernst,thought Ernst better. Paganini never wrote anything as technically challenging as Ernst's Six Polyphonic Etudes.

[wks1978]

@marcxopoco How come you know so much about pagaini, did you hear him play?

[marcxopoco]

@wks1978 is a halfwit who can't even spell Paganini correctly.

LOL

[michaelmartind]

Ah, the beautiful sound of gut! Hearing this shows what we've lost in terms of quality of sound by switching to synthetic strings.

[jacksgirl365]

he is my grate grate grate grate grandfather it's true

[NiallMS]

It's your spelling that grates!

GREAT Grandfather.

[anubis1405]

prove it.

[GerdLinden]

beautiful

Information about Joseph Joachim and other great composers (in german):

fuer-die-ohren . at / Joseph-Joachim . s h t m l

[chloelovescats]

pleasing. and it is very valuable to performance so early.

[NNViolin]

Hearing these old masters makes me rethink what things are more mannerisms than something actually necessary for the violin playing.

[martin12tut]

such a different way of playing. glissandi, clean sound. less vibrato.

yes you are right. this is history in sound. great. thanks!

[shiveringflower]

@martin12tut But it's history that is returning,as more performers are embracing the idea of 'authentic' performance.Mullova and Hahn both play Bach in a sympathetic manner,as does/did Vegerov (latterly at least). Also,some orchestras,such as The Orchestra Of The Age Of Enlightent extend this style of playing to include orchestral works of the 19th century (eg Mendelssohn). The sound that this orchestra makes has incredible clarity,when compared to a typical 20th century performance.

[fiddlinmatt]

this is history in sound. Incredible!

[thepolydom]

Vibrato is a many-natured sound. Timing, speed and when important to the musical phraseology of the artist. All of it makes up what some call the artist's 'inflection' upon a piece. Many also suggest that vibrato on the violin was practiced to emulate the vibrato used with the human voice producing a sound from the instrument which many believe to be the closest to it. Some even called this sound when first heard...the 'singing' strings.

[irishmaestro]

This is fantastic! How refreshing it is to hear a 19th Century piece played without this detestable wobbly vibrato that people adopted in the 1930s. THIS is how the modern violin should be played. Over-vibratoing violinists, take note! ;-)

[dalem]

A=440Hz is better.

[scottbos68]

i cant tell you how wonderful it is to finally hear the man who influenced and was involved with the violin works of brahms, and schumann and basically single handedly revived the beethoven concerto, i try to imagine what the violin repertiore would have been like without him, not to mention the hungarian violin concerto he wrote is wonderful

[CarolinensisAnolis]

Hey prokkets, it seems like you possess a musical knowledge barely surpassing novice, so next time keep your mouth shut since you know nothing about violin performance styles during 19th century.

[montybloom]

you have no idea about violin artistry. there is so much more to sound than vibrato, so much subtle nuance that joachim possesed... all the pieces we take for granted today probably would never get played if it werent for joachim. brahms concerto was written for joachim, and beethoven concerto was not wellknown until joachim started playing it

[Karlcarl]

You a measuring Joachim with a 20th century yardstick.You are correct, very little vibrato etc. That was the style during the 19th century. The first violinist of importance to use vibrato on each note was Fritz Kreisler and this was revolutionary!

[frosts0]

Keep in mind that in the early days, the soloist had to play right into the horn of the recording device due to its insensitivity, resulting in a somewhat contorted position.

[miguelercolino]

Sorry, does anyone know who plays the piano in this recording? Thanks

[jasteendam]

check out Joachim's recording of Bloch's Nigun if you get the chance, an excellent recording

[poldi24]

I'm extremly interested! Where to find?

[jasteendam]

to be honest I found it my universities library. On CD. try your local library, they often have some great recordings. I'll try to find the label for you

[aloysiusmiller]

Not possible. Joachim dies before Bloch wrote Nigun.

[trevorpinnocky]

now that was pretty cool. i hadn't heard this particular piece played by him before. thanks for the post.