AFD Tone(s) Marshalls AFD100 & JCM800 SIR #36

[LOLchand1]

Cool.obviously the AFD sounds tons better for slashs tone

[gooseghazi]

squeal-gasm at 1:07!!!!! music to my ear hole!!!! great review man..gotta agree thought the jcm 800 takes the title!!!! thanks for the info man! what exactly are these #34 mods etc tho????

[great1gatsby]

You by far have the most accurate AFD tone mods that I have heard so far, I have a '76 2203 MV that I would love to have you mod with both the #34 & #36 mods

[cleosmarprado789]

jcm best

[MegaRatchet123]

check out my bluesy afd100 demo!!

[bowslap]

Both are good amps...I'd recommend backing the Presence off a notch, both are just a bit too "Bright", not enough low mids. Between the 2, the JCM800 is definitely more convincing...the mids come through better. Of course all of that still isn't going to get the tone spot-on...3 important components missing: Saul Hudson, and the 2 PAF humbuckers that Derrig had in the guitar, that were present through the recording.

[tomiclav]

i really dig the jcm 800 - it just sounds fuller, AFD is too thin!

[1FenderGuy]

Deffo the AFD100, i was gonna try one in a store, with a les paul but they were sold out!

[gerby90]

the JCM is way too fuzzy i like the AFD100 better..

[ApacheCobra]

How does your X2U handle very high volumes? Do you get much clipping? Would I be able to run an SM57 through an X2U straight into my PC and get good performance at cranked volumes? I'm trying to find a good replacement for my Audiobuddy that doesn't like loud stuff. Thanks.

[rihnosaur]

(continuation of previous post) his JCM 800 sound with 6550 tubes.. is this assessment correct in your opinion. Should I try to get a JCM 800 ?? that being said once i found one at a store and I tried it (with a les paul) and the crunch just wasn't there.....maybe I did not wait for the tubes to warm up...am I missing something... the sound of your JCM800 is very close to what I am referring to...its the live "use your illusion tone" that I like the most..

[PuroMojo]

@rihnosaur The sound LIVE from 87-93 is from the Marshall Silver Jubilee. On the other side since 1991 his studio sound is mainly from a modded JCM800 with #34 mod. I have some other video with that mod too, check it out if you want. But if you really dig his live sound get a Silver Jubilee or his first Marshall signature from 1996 the SL 2555, that it's a copy of the Silver Jub. Cheers

[jaimers3101]

@PuroMojo hey, im looking for the slash snakepit tone, i want to know which amp will sound closer to that particular tone, which one do i have to buy?, the jcm 800 the afd or ... what???

[AmnellAndreas]

@rihnosaur I have a JCM800 from 86. Mine has lots of crunch. Tubes in mine are EL34s. You probably did something wrong when u tried it. Have the master at around 4 and the pre amp volume at around 6 - 10 if u want crunch. The tubes do not need to warm up...

[AmnellAndreas]

@rihnosaur and I also use a tubescreamer to get lead tone... Otherwise u wont have the distortion u want for leads

[rihnosaur]

you seem to be quite the expert on these amps great job in doing quite the research (and experiment) to differentiate these two beats. That being said, I am looking into buying an amp in the future. I am a huge slash fan, and have been considering the AFD, but after listening for many years, i came to the realization that the slash tone I would like to get is His "live era 87-93" sound which from what i can tell is NOT his appetite sound but his early 90's sound. I believe this corresponds to

[mandudehey]

so the gain is only at 5 for the jcm? holy shit

[Hallman88]

Would you please A/B these amps so we could hear them both at the same time? i think i could die happy then.

[beoash]

The JCM I think has a lot more attack in it!! AFD100 got owned!!! :)))

[guitargibson16]

by out ata get me you clearly here the difference JCM 800 owns

[MrCustomdeluxe85]

I think that jcm sounds a bit better, Afd sounds a little to bright for my taste. Any way I'm a huge fan of your videos you've got some killer tones

[McBlobby3]

i paused my porn for you. be grateful

[PuroMojo]

@McBlobby3 I am, thanks! Did it turn you on as well, LOL :P

[Rock4Ever80s]

cmon guys, slash used the JCM 800 to record AFD, thts y the JCM 800 is bttr for AFD tone!!!

[w3lford4n0]

overall i reckon that the AFD 100 has the most original studio sound as thats what they were trying to recreate when the made it, but the JCM has the true G'N'R tone when they played live as thats probably the model slash used

[SparcoC4]

JCM has more distortion.

[stretch90]

The jcm800 actually sounds kinda harsh here. I'd say the afd sounds a little better.

[guitarmaniac862]

JMC800 is more solid

[TheArmageddons]

i think afd sounds better more crunch and slash style

[nochix96isnuts]

The JCM800 has more balls IMHO

[gianlp100]

jcm es is better for me

[MrSandydillon]

JCM I think has more overall tone ,But the AFD is cool I would of left it at 100watts Nice LP

[5150stephen]

changed my mind jcm is best

[5150stephen]

the jcm sounds better, but the afd has the choppy souund that album had, its hard to decide which is closer to that tone

[TheTokovi]

creo que deberias alejar un poco mas el microfono del

cabinet para que se escuche mejor!!

[shel727]

you know it probly helps the tone when the guy can play exactly like the record

[JIRIC8581]

the jcm is hotter while the adf is more controlled

[sitaromania]

I loved both....

Slash uses both too...:)

[galzamir]

@sitaromania yea but slash has his own technique in the amp and own set up what you don't get from the factory also it's count as a custom

[sitaromania]

@galzamir yeah,Slash got his own guitar tech to model it for him. We can't match professional hand with a factory built setting.

[tia12689]

Both great amps no doubt about that. The AFD100 has a deeper and more crunchy sound which is definitely closer to the original Appetite For Destruction's. The JMC800 however is closer to the Ritz's sound, more metallic and juicy. I personally prefer the AFD but this is just my opinion

[mikelilloillo]

to me, the JCM800 sounds closer to the Guns N' Roses tone than the AFD100, but based on the sound of the video... I would like to test those 2 amps myself

[Bekatr0]

JCM800 all the way!

[Luckypol1]

Jcm 800 is a senior amp,just lose it.Nothing can beat it

[DanielGuitars14]

win Jcm ^^

[slashsfan1]

love the sound of the jcm800 the AFD sounds good too but the jcm is Just amazing!

[dvlORangl]

so tinny!

[MetallicaFan4ever5]

@dvlORangl They are running on 50 watts.

[EXTREMEproductions1]

is jam for a lower price range?

[TheDeathdanger]

AFD's pinches fail, but i think great amp otherwise.. JCM800 wins in my opinion

[RockerCroatia]

jcm 800 sounds dirtier....more slashy ...I prefer the dirty slash tone over the clean tone afd has

[knutdude]

well the thing was designed to be at 100w... should try that with a 100w jcm800

[fon267]

I bought myself an AFD100 a year ago (when they just came out) and although it sounded good out of the box it did not have the raw sound of a plexi or jcm 800. The sound was a bit "processed" to my ears thats why I traded it for a 1959slp reissue, I added a Fulltone OCD for the punch and a Rivera rock crusher to get reasonable volumes. I know its expensive equipment but tone is just everything to me :)

[PuroMojo]

@fon267 That's right, rock on dude \m/ \m/ \m/

[nochix96isnuts]

@PuroMojo TheJCM800 #34 mod is WAY better than the AFD or #36,greatdemo!

[yamahabmxer1]

@fon267 is the ocd pedal good for this amp? i was thinking of buying a boost like that.

[TheGreenDreams3]

it sounds like the same amp, if the AFD 100 had a compression pedal.

[motley0crue12]

Stop with the harmonics for god sake, they sound horrific when there's so many.

[999jbarrett]

The JCM800 sounds muddier. I definitely prefer the tightness of the AFD.

[CrushedJustice]

AFD sound like it has more bite, gain, and clearer sound

[TheTokovi]

in my opinion jcm 800 winner!!

[videakiasful]

I like more AFD100 in Sweet Child O' Mine intro riff even JCM800 overall, sounds better (in my opinion)!!!!

[videakiasful]

How can you do this (5:21-5:23) that sounds like effects????Is it a special technique or an amp operation???

[TakkaTakkaDude]

@videakiasful

it's called artificial or pinch harmonics, you perform this by plucking the string with your pick and thumb simultaneously more or less. just go ahead and try ;) for me they worked best on 5th and 7th fret when i started doing them..

[videakiasful]

@TakkaTakkaDude Thank you very much!!!Awesome vid by the way!!!!

[TheNoOneNothing]

great great playing and tones man! :)

[swanky23]

800 wins!

[dewycatt2112]

All them ol" Marshalls are GREAT! but I dont use em anymore. I can get all them exact warm gritty sustaining biting crunch Marshall tones from my Rocktron Pirahna Preamp!. Just ask Tipton and Downing".. they"ll tell you all about It!

[dewycatt2112]

JCM 800 sounds more full and a hint fizzy".the AFD sounds more precise but could use hint more bottom". Guess I would take the AFD over the 800 here.

[ZanesSuccessor]

to be honest i liked the jcm better

[Luckypol1]

what guitar is?fuckin awesome

[utPr3d4ToR]

@Luckypol1

I think is the les paul appetite for destruction gibson

[PuroMojo]

@utPr3d4ToR Not a Gibson, i'ts Vintage Lemon Drop Gary Moore with SD Slash pickups on it

[utPr3d4ToR]

@PuroMojo

Ok, is like afd epiphone ^_^

[PuroMojo]

@utPr3d4ToR Vintage brand is much better than Epiphones IMHO!

[utPr3d4ToR]

@PuroMojo

uhm, idk idk idk

[cardboardLP]

Both have great tone, but I think the AFD sounds just more polished, thicker and a little more like the tone on the album. Which is amazing after all, because the album has been mixed. Good job!

[SamCritchlow100]

why does everything look flat

[MrSarmex1]

honestly, just because the jcm800 is a classic, badass amp i wud buy it over an afd100 anyday

[IVIANNERZ]

What a great video and great display of talent :] I cant make my mind up which sounds the best.. Maybe the JCM800's tone is a bit harsh???? Being a big slash fan id probably just go for the AFD100..

[TheNonautomatoN]

The AFD is definitely Slash in a can.

What kinds of mods did you have done to that 800? Extra 12ax7 slot? Sounds a bit "gainy" like a 900 to my ears. I'm not shitting on it or anything, it just sounds a lot different than my 4104 which is a 2204 circuit in a 2x12 combo.

The AFD sounds awesome, I wouldn't ditch my 800 but if I had the cash I might stack one right next to it!



[utPr3d4ToR]

no clean sound :D

[utPr3d4ToR]

Is same vintage modern?

[MaxNathanielJames]

JCM is abit more brighter.

and what are good amp settings for this tone?

[utPr3d4ToR]

idk too much but i think sweet child o mine sound better in JMC800

[KirkTheGod]

Use and ABY box and run both those amps together! I think that will be the best AFD tone!

[EclipseSocietyCore]

i love my AFD, for all the guys who aren't a big fan of slash... this amp is still one of the best amps i heard.

and the features it has are pretty awesome!

i LOVE the build in attenuator (warm tube overdrive on low volumes)

played my first gig with it today and it sounds AMAZING on hard rock and even blues rock if you turn your guitar volume down!

[tapPOOH]

the JCM wins for me...

[live2shredguy]

is this a limited edition amp?

[Musclecar1973]

What program did you run your mic into to record the sound and how did you plug the mic into your computer? Line in? External Sound Card?

[MrThom3000]

What speakers are in tthat cab?

[xxMikePortnoyJrxx]

Suprisingly I think I prefer the 800 over the AFD, but I'd still kill to have either one!!

[MrTripert]

WOHOOOO NIGHT TRAIN ON AFD IS THE SHITTT

[GunsNRosesliveson]

Is it safe to have an amp head on top because of air vent just want to know for my own amps

[chikenmanwithchiken]

the AFD sounds EXACTLY like the recording. jesus christ how much i want that amp

[TheArmageddons]

omg are sound are the same especially sweet child o mine are the same tone that slash use in 2010/2011

[freaknbigpanda]

JCM 800 has a lot more "'fuzz" then slash has ever used imo.

[eslacher69]

JCM 800 Rlz!

[ArmedSuperstar]

the jcm has more distortion which makes the afd 100 more clear but i like how the jcm has so much bite and balls to it



[fortz31]

how hard were the 3 mods to the 800? I have ZERO experience with mods and am not sure any local techs will touch that type of thing around here. thanks.

[xr8jim]

Both sound great but I gotta say the JCM still takes the win, man that's an awesome amp!! Great playing too mate!!

[marktestroote]

Very good video! I prefer the JCM800. 'Fatter' tone, to my ears. Traded my own AFD because I couldn't find the tone I wanted, it sounded to thin to me - especially in #34 mode.

One suggestion: I would recommend you not to put the JCM on top of your AFD because it damages the tolex (I noticed that on my own after I put my 2555SL on top).

[MaximumGtr]

Really nice, Puro. Congrats!

[guitaramps]

both sound great,but afd 100 sound like a multi-effects pedalboard (Digital Signal Processing).

[mldew28]

Still impossible to get the AFD100 in the states. Found ONE on the internet on ebay for like $2,700. The fact that it's a "very limited edition" is a crime.

[PuroMojo]

@mldew28 I think they will do a unlimited edition of it after this one is sold out, so don't worry

[LegoBen]

@PuroMojo Or it will be like Slash's snakepit les paul and be impossible to find.

[bradas128]

@PuroMojo i highly doubt it.

[AmnellAndreas]

@mldew28 I have an afd100.. and sure it's great and all.. but i'm buying a jcm800 from somewhere between 81-86 now because the afd isn't good as a live amp.. i prefer the jcm series as gigging amps! take that to yourself as a tip from me ;) and i've recorded an album with the afd100 already.. i think i'm the first guitarist to do that, cause slash hasn't made a studio album with it yet :). he used a jcm800 on his solo album

[AmnellAndreas]

@mldew28 Maybe you're interested in mine? I'm thinking about selling it.. But I live in sweden... Would you be able to pay the shipping and stuff like that?

[mldew28]

@AmnellAndreas thanks for the thought, my friend, but unfortunately I have no where close to the funds at the moment :( continue rocking!

[lespaulplayer97]

@mldew28 dude, theres one at my local music shop.......

[MasterKarlKani]

this is the big real tone from slash good job man ? can i buy it ? ^^

[maxlamenace987654321]

the jcm800 is way too trebly! sounds like presence is on 10!

[nicolasrivera]

Both sound great, but the JMC has more gain but too bright, lower the presence

[lespaulman1]

Both sounds great. The AFD seems to have a thicker tone and the 800 seems to have a sharper top end and more aggression.....more in your face.

does your 800 have 6550's in it like the AFD?

[PuroMojo]

@lespaulman1 Yes, my JCM has 6550s. I agree with you both sound different, but great!

[Pokerplayer1045]

When is the next SFC?

[ElGhoulSoufedj]

I think the AFD is better ^^

MAN YOU IMPRESSED ME WHEN PLAYED ROCKET QUEEN °_°,awesome

Greetings from Algeria ^^

[bchant19]

the jcm 800 definately sounds more bassy with a lot more low end where as the afd100 has a crisper high end sound to it both there good afd tones though

[slash87ification]

On youtube listening to "Welcome to the Jungle - Slash only" you can hear that there is more distortion respect to the AFD 100, especially in the solo parts. I have an 100 AFD and also with the distorsion at maximum I don't reach that level.

[Riwal29]

L'afd100 déchire sa maman sévère , et je dit pas ça car j'en ai un aussi ...

[tuksee]

AFD100 has better tone

[MrCarrera123]

PureM...Great ear for tone as always! I just got my AFD last week and am tweeking it. CAn you please provide your eq settings for a fellow AFD rocker? Great playing as always..Keep up the good work..... 

[leandroafd]

AFD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChristianBurrell]

To be fair, its not really a fair test since the AFD100 has a lot of other features. e.g. bias, attenuation. So of course it would sound better, but thats because it would be setup better. But to my ears i like the original 36 more because it has alot more agressive and roar sound to it. But my favourite tone, i've expressed many times is #34 i just can't beat that video of slash playing for the AFD100 project, makes me wanna kill everytime i hear it!

[PhilipObuskovic]

AFD!!! The best amp in ages!

[daddywhetz]

I think that JCM has much better tone for riffs and AFD for soloing. Overall I prefer the JCM has more raw than the AFD and has a fatter tone. Sounds more powerful too.

[demytje]

W00t, that neck pickup in combination with the AFD 100 sounds so sweet :)

[kerosseno]

Sweet sound!

[kerosseno]

Sweet sound!

[schecterguitarsfan]

to me, AFD sounds better. 

[MasterKarlKani]

HI PUROMOJO this sound is the best i ever hear can i buy this sound from you xd ?

[dabbidoso]

both very cool and you are a very good player, for my taste AFD is good to play a lot of things but i love the old GNR and the sound you get out from that modified JCM, i lovo it

[fmvgomes]

Thanks for the video. I recently purchased the AFD100 and I just love the sound of it. I wondered what was the diference between the AFD and a JCM800 and here u show the diference.

What I noticed is that you use slight diference is the EQ as me. Normally my settings (on AFD100) are something like P 5,5 - B 6,5 - M 5 - T 4 and G 7. I put the Master Volume always on 7 and the Overall volume I play with the power atenuator. In your video I think the settings doesn't help the AFD100.

[sexforcash]

my impression is that the 800 50w has almost more volume and kick then the afd100 .... perhaps the PureMojo mod has not yet made​it to the letter

[ruffles272]

jcm800. the thing was the presence needed to be turned down a bit I think.

[AxeNewbie]

JCM800 has that Ritz sound. Fat and juicy.

[marktestroote]

@AxeNewbie Slash uses JCM800 2210's at the Ritz show!

[AmnellAndreas]

@marktestroote 2203! he always used the 2203!

[marktestroote]

@AmnellAndreas not true - at the Ritz, they used rented gear: in the YouTube vids you can see a few good shots of the amp's front panel: more knobs than a 2203, hence it's the 2210 split channel (you can also tell by the higher gain capability of the 2210 over a 2203). Slash did use 2203's: the famous #34 amp with which the Illusions were recorded is a modified 2203. But live he is most famous for the 2555 Jubilees he used almost the entire GnR era.

[AmnellAndreas]

@marktestroote I already know of all this info (except for that the ritz rented gear you said).. if you didn't know, i'm probably one of the biggest slash geeks ever xD

[fon267]

@AxeNewbie, as cool as your comment may sound the reality is that for pure AFD tones the AFD100 is the one, it has an unbeatable crunch to it. The 800 sound very fizzie

[MrTripert]

@AxeNewbie But the Ritz was an Appetite concert and it was the appetite amp

[tiagujloliveira]

@AxeNewbie Ritz in 1988?

[XandiUrban]

Fucking Awesome! I prefer the AFD100 because it sounds cleaner.

[horsecoollover19]

dammmmmmmmnn!!

[raosc70]

Both cool but AFD all the way!! JCM800 sounds very loose IMO. The clarity and tone coming out of that AFD is awesome!!! With both heads you are good to go for any style though.

[diablo9333]

Guys! The JCM is really old!!!!! You can't compare it to the afd which is made in 2011. They both have different parts. AFD is really good considering it is closest thing you can get at this point.

[diablo9333]

YAYYY AFD100 FTW!!!!!!!!!

[Shelbones01]

AFD100 all the way, your tone is better then perfect now hahah

[Neylus]

AFD100's tone reminds me of The Ritz's sound :)

Bien joué PM

[naelgwen]

Quel son !!

[asianaxeman]

can you boost this mofo and play some metal please, maybe some BLS?

[gwanksta]

that jcm 800 blows the afd 100 away...sooo rich sounding... and you might want to listen to the beginning of nighttrain again....

[TheRuobi]

Can you please post the settings for this?...it's almost perfect. it just needs the effects (reverb,delay etc..)

[D0nRidah]

afd 100 all the way that tone is fuckin sexy

[cyteryt]

JCM all the way, AFD sounds bit unnatural to me or something. JCM sounds more juicy and realistic

[jimamundo]

Both sound very cool. Perhaps the JCM800 is a bit too fuzzy, the AFD100 sounds more 'put together'?

Of course there are other differences to consider, right down to the EQ, but judging by this recording I'd say the AFD100 is the way to go. The JCM800 is still VERY cool though.

[PanosGuitarHero]

100% afd