If you would like to see where you err, go to TrumpetcallofGodonline...com and read. And send a message to the prophet if you will not heed my words which are put in my mouth by the Father you say does not exist. You stand in judgment right now of the Most High. To relegate His Son whom He has granted all power and glory to nothing more than a sinful man.
I believe you need to study the trumpetcallofgod letters. You can hear from Christ Himself. You misunderstand a great deal. I won't impeach your heart, but, your study has left you cold. May God quicken your heart and reveal unto you the mystery of Christ and who He really is. The time is at hand.
@singingcowboy674 Actually it fits all the more, the Jesus is u and I who are all sinners, but not fallen, but at a beginning state, not a fall....as u follow the example laid out in the Gospels, the gnostic writers following the protocols of Constantine to not be historically accurate, gave u a code or story that shows u what to do to become a Jesus urself....for otherwise Jesus and Christ are tiles, and not a name in either case....there was nobody at that point in time named Jesus Christ
@parousia555 What kind of New Age nonsense is this? Lucifer speaking...4 And the serpent said unto the woman: 'Ye shall not surely die; 5 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and YE SHALL BE AS GODS. What you are trying to tell me is that we are all gods, only you are ascribing the "G" to us. This is purist New Age. There is report after report after report that there REALLY WAS a man by the name of Jesus of Nazareth and they called Him the Christ.
@singingcowboy674 Lucifer is latin for light bearer, not another name for Satan, of which there is no Satan, there is one power, and further u will find out from scriptures that Jehovah is not thee God or a god, it is a name of a group of Prophets who should really be ID as witches....we are all potential gods, Ps 82:6 "know ye not that ye are gods..." when u ID urself in Christianity as a son of God thru Jesus, again Jesus is a title, as Jehovah is a name of a group, the gods so loved the Jews
@parousia555 Ok, now the condition of your soul has been revealed unto me. I have been corrected on the intentional mistranslation of the word lucifer. I recant on the name. But I also now understand how it was mistranslated and why. I thank you for the challenge for now a question that has been in my mind for years has been sufficiently answered. That not withstanding, you are not a representative of the Truth. Satan has infiltrated your mind, possibly your body. Or one of his lackies.
@singingcowboy674 , U discerned by the spirit or by words? There is no Satan as a major demon....there is one power, not dualism....it will take awhile for u to piece it together,even if u cud know the voice of God, it won't come to u all at once....u'll get it in layers
@parousia555 By the Spirit. By the experience with the evil one. God has granted me understanding in greater measure than most. No, there is no dualism if you are referring to satan as God's equal but opposite. But there is a fallen one and he holds the reigns of power on this earth for a little season. That season come quickly an end. It is here. The time has been accomplished and all shall be revealed. Think not I have no understanding regarding who I'm communicating with. It is revealed.
@singingcowboy674 To become a Christ/Messiah/Anointed/Lord as stated in ur Greek NT is where by Jewish tradition must be a man at 40 whose wife bears a son the same year....and there was no Nazareth, Nazareth is a reference to a cultural state, which was achieved by the parents of the person who had the office of a prophet or a Jesus lived in Egypt where there was a High Priests known as a Zadok order, and the culture was developed by Socrates or theTheruputae/Nazarene
@parousia555 You are right when you say there was noone by the name Jesus, because Jesus is a loose and I mean verly loosely translated name for Yeshua. Christ derives from Christos (greek) which is the actual title which is translated to Messiah. Yeshua hammashiach (Jesus Christ or Jesus the Messiah)
My brother, I won't go so far as to say you are deceived, but you do err greatly. Search your heart, rather than your head. SOMETIMES education can forsake you. Yahushua HaMachiach. Christ was a prophet as well. He prophesied his death w/ Mary Magdalene, at the grave of Lazarus and w/ the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. If Christ was not sinless, then there is no propitiation for OUR sin and you are condemned as I. I DO believe He was the fulfillment of the Law and He lives in my heart.
Paurousia555 - The Greek transliteration for flesh is 'saroo' meaning flesh, meat, external, skin, apart from the spirit. If you go on, it can be descriptive of carnally minded - but however, we know for a fact in Faith, that Christ was NOT carnally minded, so therefore your premise of Christ being born a sinner could not be merited. He was conceived without sin, and born without sin, and He did not (will not ever) sin, thus NOT or ever a sinner. He was the Word made flesh, not a sinner.
Hebrews 2:9 does NOT state that He was born, but MADE for the purpose of death, lower than the angels. In context it references the actual angels, not the prophets as you demonstrated in your video presentation either. For it tells of the subjection of angels, in regard to the Spiritual realm.
HEBREWS 2:9
But we see Jesus, who WAS MADE a little lower than the angels FOR THE SUFFERING OF DEATH, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Jeremiah 1:5 "sanctified" from the Hebraic 'qadash' meaning to be separated, set apart, to be OBSERVED as holy. He was predestined before birth to be a prophet.
actually no. since Jesus was not born from a man and a woman he is not with sin.since no man touched mary, he was without sin.alot of people always get this messed up.
yeah and you got the whole thing wrong.Mary was a woman, and since it was not through joseph and mary that they bought up Jesus,he was then holy.He was never born with sin.you got the whole thing reeaalllllyyyy wrong.
I did watch the vid and you are entirely wrong about Jesus born with sin.if Jesus was born of both a man and a woman,it would another thing, but since Mary was born with a child and yet was not touched by a man,Jesus is holy at birth
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little * * lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Angels = messengers = prophets = saviors
Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby * * know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
No.even though he came in the flesh, he was without sin.look buddy,He was born from a woman who wasn't touch, so he is 100% not unholy because it is threw man sin comes,HOWEVER. since mary was mpregnated by GOD,he was unholy.that's the answer.that's why he is holy.
So disregard the verse I mentioned. The the baptism of John the baptist was just a formality because he was already born holy, and the hesitation in Gethsemane was just some theatrics. Jesus is now born 100% God and 100% man, and then he is part of the trinity and we're just apes.
uummmhh.......no.the reason why Jesus went to John the Baptist was because he was now showing what others should do.the reason he did this was because he was showing us humans the way.look,your facts are wrong.your picking verses that has nothing to do with christ being Unholy.enough of this,now please deleat this video.
I'll delete when I get my brains baptized in bleach. I used to believe the way u did, but it took a long time to understand this. There is another little morsel of truth and that is that in order for Jesus to talk to the spirits in the prisons he had to die the 2nd death, and in order to do that he becomes sin not just on the cross, but at birth, but otherwise dies a perfect man, not God the trinity, like Paul says that great is the mystery of Godliness as well as its nemesis.
@parousia555 It clearly states in scripture that the second death will not be suffered until God calls time an end and judges the wicked. So your point is invalid. Christ did NOT have to die a second death to speak to those that had preceded Him for THEY THEMSELVES had not experienced the second death. Nor were the spirits of the saints that He ministered to appointed to the second death in the first place for they believed on Christ as we do but in reverse order. They had faith regarding His co
There are classical stories that bring this out. 1st there is the story of Ulysses. 2nd the story of Manfred (or Man's Friend). 3rd Joe Black, death takes a holiday. 4th Orpheus. Even Hamlet and Mephistopheles. Jesus is the way, just like when we are 1st saved, our spirit instantaneously is born again by the blood or in the case of Jesus the baptism of John...then we get the baptism of the HS as does Jesus, and then complete death to the old man thus the fast, etc. Ah, Jesus simple ain't so..
U were given scriptures and what? U decided that u were going to stay in the English, to hell with the original language and to hell with the irregular connection in the Greek. Then there is the Nicea Council 325 a.d. U r upholding Catholicism and Baal worship. Then there is the book of Hebrews, he was touched with our infirmaties, and in all ways tested like u and me...Jesus dies a perfect or holy man and is still killed
@parousia555 Jesus Christ, Yahushua HaMaschiach was a man of example. Christ being God, knew the power of acting out an example as to how you want others to do. Man learns something much quicker if he is explained something AND SHOWN AN EXAMPLE of how to do the thing requested of him. The brain makes connections and builds bridges faster, and in greater number if someone is shown and taught verbally more than one simply instructed.
There are always going 2 agendas on the table. What does the text say and what we believe, most of the time they don't coincide, but we turn around and shove it up everybody elses ass all the same and then call it the love of God.
Again if u do the word studies u will see it, its all there. Jesus is not the word made flesh, this is a perversion of the Isaiah. Gospel of John is a suspicious text to begin with
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
Jesus is the Word:
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)
There is no father god in either the hebrew or the greek, the father is a ref actually to Jesus in that it represents an administration of the beg walk with God. Jesus is also the father and mother, this is a cause of much confusion about the trinity, which doesn't exist. To be begotten is to be made separate from Gods (elohim, thought the Greek Theos is always singula, which again is a perversion of transliteration from the Hebrew to the Greek)Jesus is not the word.
You have it very wrong, sir. You're reading the Holy Bible in English, it has already been translated from the original Greek to English. So to translate English back into Greek (in this case the English word "flesh") it would be translated into a totally different word.
Jesus is the way in that his godly born again spirit is all that is retained at birth, and then he gets the baptism of the HS from John which is the gen'l pattern of salvation that is spoken of in acts and by todays church. Jesus is born with a sinners soul, thus born in the flesh. It is complicated and takes awhile to understand. What of Jer 1:5 against Heb 2:8 or 9?
If you would like to see where you err, go to TrumpetcallofGodonline...com and read. And send a message to the prophet if you will not heed my words which are put in my mouth by the Father you say does not exist. You stand in judgment right now of the Most High. To relegate His Son whom He has granted all power and glory to nothing more than a sinful man.
singingcowboy674 10 months ago
I believe you need to study the trumpetcallofgod letters. You can hear from Christ Himself. You misunderstand a great deal. I won't impeach your heart, but, your study has left you cold. May God quicken your heart and reveal unto you the mystery of Christ and who He really is. The time is at hand.
singingcowboy674 10 months ago
@singingcowboy674 Actually it fits all the more, the Jesus is u and I who are all sinners, but not fallen, but at a beginning state, not a fall....as u follow the example laid out in the Gospels, the gnostic writers following the protocols of Constantine to not be historically accurate, gave u a code or story that shows u what to do to become a Jesus urself....for otherwise Jesus and Christ are tiles, and not a name in either case....there was nobody at that point in time named Jesus Christ
parousia555 10 months ago
@parousia555 What kind of New Age nonsense is this? Lucifer speaking...4 And the serpent said unto the woman: 'Ye shall not surely die; 5 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and YE SHALL BE AS GODS. What you are trying to tell me is that we are all gods, only you are ascribing the "G" to us. This is purist New Age. There is report after report after report that there REALLY WAS a man by the name of Jesus of Nazareth and they called Him the Christ.
singingcowboy674 10 months ago
@singingcowboy674 Lucifer is latin for light bearer, not another name for Satan, of which there is no Satan, there is one power, and further u will find out from scriptures that Jehovah is not thee God or a god, it is a name of a group of Prophets who should really be ID as witches....we are all potential gods, Ps 82:6 "know ye not that ye are gods..." when u ID urself in Christianity as a son of God thru Jesus, again Jesus is a title, as Jehovah is a name of a group, the gods so loved the Jews
parousia555 10 months ago
@parousia555 Ok, now the condition of your soul has been revealed unto me. I have been corrected on the intentional mistranslation of the word lucifer. I recant on the name. But I also now understand how it was mistranslated and why. I thank you for the challenge for now a question that has been in my mind for years has been sufficiently answered. That not withstanding, you are not a representative of the Truth. Satan has infiltrated your mind, possibly your body. Or one of his lackies.
singingcowboy674 10 months ago
@singingcowboy674 , U discerned by the spirit or by words? There is no Satan as a major demon....there is one power, not dualism....it will take awhile for u to piece it together,even if u cud know the voice of God, it won't come to u all at once....u'll get it in layers
parousia555 10 months ago
@parousia555 By the Spirit. By the experience with the evil one. God has granted me understanding in greater measure than most. No, there is no dualism if you are referring to satan as God's equal but opposite. But there is a fallen one and he holds the reigns of power on this earth for a little season. That season come quickly an end. It is here. The time has been accomplished and all shall be revealed. Think not I have no understanding regarding who I'm communicating with. It is revealed.
singingcowboy674 10 months ago
@singingcowboy674 To become a Christ/Messiah/Anointed/Lord as stated in ur Greek NT is where by Jewish tradition must be a man at 40 whose wife bears a son the same year....and there was no Nazareth, Nazareth is a reference to a cultural state, which was achieved by the parents of the person who had the office of a prophet or a Jesus lived in Egypt where there was a High Priests known as a Zadok order, and the culture was developed by Socrates or theTheruputae/Nazarene
parousia555 10 months ago
@parousia555 Do you subscribe to the accuracy of the Talmud?
singingcowboy674 10 months ago
@parousia555 You are right when you say there was noone by the name Jesus, because Jesus is a loose and I mean verly loosely translated name for Yeshua. Christ derives from Christos (greek) which is the actual title which is translated to Messiah. Yeshua hammashiach (Jesus Christ or Jesus the Messiah)
kdstyles 3 months ago
My brother, I won't go so far as to say you are deceived, but you do err greatly. Search your heart, rather than your head. SOMETIMES education can forsake you. Yahushua HaMachiach. Christ was a prophet as well. He prophesied his death w/ Mary Magdalene, at the grave of Lazarus and w/ the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. If Christ was not sinless, then there is no propitiation for OUR sin and you are condemned as I. I DO believe He was the fulfillment of the Law and He lives in my heart.
singingcowboy674 10 months ago
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MrUrimthummim 1 year ago
Paurousia555 - The Greek transliteration for flesh is 'saroo' meaning flesh, meat, external, skin, apart from the spirit. If you go on, it can be descriptive of carnally minded - but however, we know for a fact in Faith, that Christ was NOT carnally minded, so therefore your premise of Christ being born a sinner could not be merited. He was conceived without sin, and born without sin, and He did not (will not ever) sin, thus NOT or ever a sinner. He was the Word made flesh, not a sinner.
BeautifulBelief 3 years ago
Then there is Heb 2:9 born lower than the angels/prophets as in Jer 1:5, thus born unholy, in the flesh
parousia555 3 years ago
Hebrews 2:9 does NOT state that He was born, but MADE for the purpose of death, lower than the angels. In context it references the actual angels, not the prophets as you demonstrated in your video presentation either. For it tells of the subjection of angels, in regard to the Spiritual realm.
HEBREWS 2:9
But we see Jesus, who WAS MADE a little lower than the angels FOR THE SUFFERING OF DEATH, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
BeautifulBelief 3 years ago
Jeremiah 1:5 "sanctified" from the Hebraic 'qadash' meaning to be separated, set apart, to be OBSERVED as holy. He was predestined before birth to be a prophet.
BeautifulBelief 3 years ago
actually no. since Jesus was not born from a man and a woman he is not with sin.since no man touched mary, he was without sin.alot of people always get this messed up.
christianshounen101 3 years ago
u very obviously didn't either listen to the vid or ur filter was in place and could hear it.
parousia555 3 years ago
yeah and you got the whole thing wrong.Mary was a woman, and since it was not through joseph and mary that they bought up Jesus,he was then holy.He was never born with sin.you got the whole thing reeaalllllyyyy wrong.
christianshounen101 3 years ago
I did watch the vid and you are entirely wrong about Jesus born with sin.if Jesus was born of both a man and a woman,it would another thing, but since Mary was born with a child and yet was not touched by a man,Jesus is holy at birth
christianshounen101 3 years ago
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little * * lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Angels = messengers = prophets = saviors
Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Sanctified = holiness
parousia555 3 years ago
1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby * * know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
parousia555 3 years ago
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Flesh = physical body + carnal nature = sinner
parousia555 3 years ago
No.even though he came in the flesh, he was without sin.look buddy,He was born from a woman who wasn't touch, so he is 100% not unholy because it is threw man sin comes,HOWEVER. since mary was mpregnated by GOD,he was unholy.that's the answer.that's why he is holy.
christianshounen101 3 years ago
So disregard the verse I mentioned. The the baptism of John the baptist was just a formality because he was already born holy, and the hesitation in Gethsemane was just some theatrics. Jesus is now born 100% God and 100% man, and then he is part of the trinity and we're just apes.
parousia555 3 years ago
uummmhh.......no.the reason why Jesus went to John the Baptist was because he was now showing what others should do.the reason he did this was because he was showing us humans the way.look,your facts are wrong.your picking verses that has nothing to do with christ being Unholy.enough of this,now please deleat this video.
christianshounen101 3 years ago
I'll delete when I get my brains baptized in bleach. I used to believe the way u did, but it took a long time to understand this. There is another little morsel of truth and that is that in order for Jesus to talk to the spirits in the prisons he had to die the 2nd death, and in order to do that he becomes sin not just on the cross, but at birth, but otherwise dies a perfect man, not God the trinity, like Paul says that great is the mystery of Godliness as well as its nemesis.
parousia555 3 years ago
@parousia555 It clearly states in scripture that the second death will not be suffered until God calls time an end and judges the wicked. So your point is invalid. Christ did NOT have to die a second death to speak to those that had preceded Him for THEY THEMSELVES had not experienced the second death. Nor were the spirits of the saints that He ministered to appointed to the second death in the first place for they believed on Christ as we do but in reverse order. They had faith regarding His co
singingcowboy674 10 months ago
There are classical stories that bring this out. 1st there is the story of Ulysses. 2nd the story of Manfred (or Man's Friend). 3rd Joe Black, death takes a holiday. 4th Orpheus. Even Hamlet and Mephistopheles. Jesus is the way, just like when we are 1st saved, our spirit instantaneously is born again by the blood or in the case of Jesus the baptism of John...then we get the baptism of the HS as does Jesus, and then complete death to the old man thus the fast, etc. Ah, Jesus simple ain't so..
parousia555 3 years ago
U were given scriptures and what? U decided that u were going to stay in the English, to hell with the original language and to hell with the irregular connection in the Greek. Then there is the Nicea Council 325 a.d. U r upholding Catholicism and Baal worship. Then there is the book of Hebrews, he was touched with our infirmaties, and in all ways tested like u and me...Jesus dies a perfect or holy man and is still killed
parousia555 3 years ago
@parousia555 Jesus Christ, Yahushua HaMaschiach was a man of example. Christ being God, knew the power of acting out an example as to how you want others to do. Man learns something much quicker if he is explained something AND SHOWN AN EXAMPLE of how to do the thing requested of him. The brain makes connections and builds bridges faster, and in greater number if someone is shown and taught verbally more than one simply instructed.
singingcowboy674 10 months ago
There are always going 2 agendas on the table. What does the text say and what we believe, most of the time they don't coincide, but we turn around and shove it up everybody elses ass all the same and then call it the love of God.
parousia555 4 years ago
The english is all screwed up, there are at least 200,000 mistakes in english idiom
parousia555 4 years ago
...so to say Jesus is a sinner would be calling God a sinner? I don't think so.
clintjordan 4 years ago
Again if u do the word studies u will see it, its all there. Jesus is not the word made flesh, this is a perversion of the Isaiah. Gospel of John is a suspicious text to begin with
parousia555 4 years ago
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
(Matthew 1:23)
clintjordan 4 years ago
God here is Elohim or Gods
parousia555 4 years ago
God is the first and the last:
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. (Isaiah 41:4)
Jesus Christ is the first and the last:
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1:8)
...And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: (Revelation 1:17-18)
clintjordan 4 years ago
God is the Word:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
Jesus is the Word:
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)
clintjordan 4 years ago
There is no father god in either the hebrew or the greek, the father is a ref actually to Jesus in that it represents an administration of the beg walk with God. Jesus is also the father and mother, this is a cause of much confusion about the trinity, which doesn't exist. To be begotten is to be made separate from Gods (elohim, thought the Greek Theos is always singula, which again is a perversion of transliteration from the Hebrew to the Greek)Jesus is not the word.
parousia555 4 years ago
You have it very wrong, sir. You're reading the Holy Bible in English, it has already been translated from the original Greek to English. So to translate English back into Greek (in this case the English word "flesh") it would be translated into a totally different word.
You have been greatly deceived.
clintjordan 4 years ago
Jesus is the way in that his godly born again spirit is all that is retained at birth, and then he gets the baptism of the HS from John which is the gen'l pattern of salvation that is spoken of in acts and by todays church. Jesus is born with a sinners soul, thus born in the flesh. It is complicated and takes awhile to understand. What of Jer 1:5 against Heb 2:8 or 9?
parousia555 4 years ago