@PinHeadzblackson i'm shocked by your racism? how many arab people do you know!!!! arabs like all people there is a good and bad persons but stop racism and see fox channe!
Just from the top of my head. James Bond; The Spy Who Loved Me & The Living Daylights where 007 teams up with the Mujahedin. Or Rambo 3 where he joins the Afghan resistance against the Russians.
This guy is complainnig about stereotyping. However all stereotypes are based on a general truth. It doesn't apply nescaserrely to the individual. it's an easy way to let people identify large groups.
And why is he only whining about the negative stereotypes concerning Arabs? You don't hear him about Russians, all being communists or atheletes on steroids. Or what about the stereotype about western people, most businessmen and politicians are corrupt?
That arabs are often portrayed as terrorists isn't that surprising. Look at the major bombings since the 1980s. The only ones i can think of not being performed by Arabs ( and muslim extremists; unfortunately lots of people don't know the …
unfortunately lots of people don't know the difference) are the Unabomber and the the bombing in Oklahoma City by McVeigh. And Breivik last month.
There's always a good and a bad guy in movies. And since hollywood is american they willl portray the americans\westerners as the good guys most of the time (everybody roots for the hometeam). But when you look at films like The Last Samurai or Dances with wolves you'll see that the americans are the bad guys.
What's realy funny is that he blames Disney's Alladin. While this storie originates from 1001 Arabian nights. Just like Sinbad the Sailor and Ali Baba. Stories that do not portray the arabs positively. But according to Mr. Shaheen, westerners aren't aloud to portray/show/say that???
All in all, a very one-sided documentary only showing The Real Bad Hollywood, How the middle east villifies the west.
IIRC, Howard Beale of Network ends up being told that the whole notion of Arabs (and countries and states and all the rest of it) is essentially a meaningless sideshow for the movement of capital. While I think the narrator is correct in that the filmmakers portrayed something vaguely reminiscent of Nazi propaganda, I think he's wrong about how that portrayal ends up being used in the film.
humanophage: topical American asshole........ I'm American, but i hate the arrogance of Americans. Americans isn't better then anyone else. Hidden behind you philosophy and military when America is in fact the real terrorist.
A person of colour, a person who is LGBTI, a person from another faith, a woman- hollywood has pretty much screwed al these particular groups over. They're either desexualised of hypersexualised, turned in to pure cartoon or loss of identity.
It happends today with black stereotypes as well. Look at the Wire ,The Sheild, Law and order, NYPD blue! any show with black people...they always make most of the black characters some manner or criminal.
why ? why they hate us ? we didn't hurt them in all the history ? we living their culture everyday , we're watching their movies we're buying their songs albums , we are teaching our kids their language ,, why they just think we are a stupids and just got money without brains ,,
if i am the king of arab .. i will give USA all the oil ,, and the money ,, but please stop hating and hurting us ,, and teach ur kids how to kill us
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black women ? crazy men hating every body ? man fuck that
arabs/muslims are nothing like what they show in the movies.
they are NOT
violent,
evil,
stupid,
cruel,
terrorists,
kidnappers,
backwards.
Infact arabs/muslims are highly intelligent people. they speak the most complex and diverse language in the world! the follow the most peaceful religion on earth (read the Quran before replying with negative comments) and most muslims do not have that crazy accent! neither do true muslims kidnap or insult or disrespect women!
@brishkhan I dont need to read to Quran to tell you that your generalizations of arabs/muslims is just as irresponsible as Hollywood's. Arabs/Muslims CAN BE violent, evil,stupid, terrorists and kidnappers. Just like American's CAN BE and Mexican's CAN BE....
However, muslims don't insult or disrespect women? Please....
@ryleyLeech i do not know about the ''muslims'' you know, but islam does not allow it, and neither do true muslims. and yes you do need to read the Quran. you don't know a thing about islam other than what the media says. muslims cannot be bad because if they are bad then they are not muslims.
@ryleyLeech women are given a VERY high status in islam. i give you many quranic verses and hadith saying so. you don't hav to be muslim but don't say anything about it because it shows that your lack of knowledge of islam. peace.
@brishkhan Well, I am not certain it is reasonable to agree with such an appraisal. Plenty of religions are peaceful on paper. I don't think there is a way of objectively measure which language is the most complex, but Arabic literature is not the largest in the world.
@brishkhan Stupid: Arabs have a fairly low average IQ of ~85. It is low compared to any European country. Middle Eastern education is generally poor, especially in the Arab states. Maths achievements in schools are very low.
Cruel: Mutilation and flagellation widely practiced as a form of punishment. Death penalty not cancelled; practiced in most of Middle East. Animal cruelty prominent in tradition.
@q8smiley Why, you do. However, it makes more sense to compare average IQ by ethnicity. No point at all measuring average South African IQ when the gap between white IQ and black IQ is over 20 points.
@q8smiley I'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking for the sources of my statements?
There is, for instance, a convenient table with a neatly organised source column called "IQ and the Wealth of Nations -- Lynn and Vanhanen -- data table of national mean IQ studies summarized by Steve Sailer".
@brishkhan Terrorists: If one considers terrorist acts with 150+ victims, 13 / 24 would be committed by Arabs, 8 / 24 by non-Arab Muslims, and 4 / 24 by unrelated groups (like Communists in 1925). Terrorism is strictly dominated by Arabs.
Kidnappers: More of a Latin American thing, but the Middle East comes second. It is a highly publicised and common terrorist practice.
@brishkhan Backwards: Literacy rates even in leading countries below 85%; below 70% in Egypt, Yemen, Morocco. High religiosity; people detained for 'immorality'. Average HDI in oil countries, low HDI in the rest.
Violent: Fairly low murder rates in the Arabic world, but then lots of terrorist acts and honor killings. I'd say more conflict-prone and indignant than violent (i.e., prone to getting upset and to protests).
@Humanophage so you are saying that arabs are stupid, violent, terrorists. if you are then you are a racist, prey to propaganda.you must also think of all blacks as aggressive, all blondes as dumb etc.
um the dude who's speaking was right in almost everything. Then he mentions Iranians in a talk about Arabs and he considered them the same. Iranians are not Arabs, they are actually Aryan. I'm Palestinian x
But he meant, even if the iranians do something bad, the world would blame the arabs as well
We are on this shit together. Middle east, north-africa, south asia... Every muslim who would do something bad would bring shame to arabs first and his own country second
I don't think that Gladiator is a good example of Hollywood injecting Arabs in movies not involving the Middle East, because much of the Roman Empire consisted of the middle east, so for Arabs to be in the Roman Empire is not farfetched and Arabs and Romans where in fact involved in the slave trade. Slaves were a casual part of Roman life.
I loved the little lie the guy told in the movie; the 5 countries part. Israel made sure every one of them got a close look at their missiles, every now and then. If you know what I mean.
The both video part are a great work and will be shared .
Just one very important thing , Zionist Jews Propaganda are in Hollywood since 1910 and if Hollywood Movies have been used against Arab Culture it is a part that play in the Master mind Plan of taking Palestine .
I agree with this video, but you must remember that this sort of thing has happend to many other types of people : blacks during the slave trade way back when, the germans during ww1 and espesially ww2, also the japanese during ww2 (vietnamese during the vietnam war, north koreans during the korean war), and the russians during th cold war. its all propaganda by the elite to sell there views in time of war so that the stupid can support them... am i right ?
hollywood is owned and run by jews, aswell as 96 percent of the rest of the western nations media, so it doesnt take much of an imagination to realize why the public are so ignorant. "they" also happen to set up america's current schooling system, and the public medical system of canada, and now in america.
because of that. And so often arabs and muslims become part of the same coin.
I also think its the goverments responsibility how they portray themselves from the outside.
When muslim countries practise for instance sharia as a form of tradition, I think it gives people a form of impression that this is considered normal in these countries.
watch lawrence of arabia, its factual. not to mention the fact that the saudi arabian monarchs were put into power by the british, aswell as all the other dictatorships and monarchys of the arab world. they dont want moderate arabs, because then they have no excuse to make war upon them and reap the spoils of war and genocide. for a good real life parable of this, just research mohammed mosadek of iran. he was moderate, progressive, they took him out and put in the fanatics.
the point is you moron, there is a clear disproportionate representation of arabs as villains in movies compared to all other culutres. and it also happens to coincide with the current conquest of arab countries. the point here is that there is a clear connection between the two things. the government runs the culture industry, and they portray their enemies a certain way to prepare their populations to accept what was to come.
Name calling only serves to show that your blind conviction outweighs knowledge and fact.
Actual knowledge would tell you that what is disproportionate is the amount of terrorism carried out by and sponsored people of said cultures in the name of Islam.
Over the past 50 years how many terrorist attacks have been committed by Christian groups upon Muslim groups ........... BIG FAT ZERO! The clear connection is terrorism not our government or "culture industry."
I dont know if arabs are more moligned than any other group, but I think it has something to do with fundamentalism and the ME - conflict.
Its no secret that portrayals of the conflict has sparked antisemitism, for instance, so I wont doubt that the portrayals of the ME - conflict, also can lead to islamophobia or anti - arab racism.
Also, there is the focus on islamic extremism, and I think people have a tendency to somehow think that all muslims are evil
Disney ...for kids and hollywood in general......its all about perdictive programming.....conditioning us to sway us any which way they plz....tthey want sex and violence they JUST put movies that encourage that.....its all psychology! Conditioning us just like Al gore did with inconvenient truth and then out came the carbon tax.
This hate thing is being there for more than 13 century, it's roots magnified and well established during the crusaders wars... at the end of this thing ... Americans or European they are racism by nature .
@PinHeadzblackson i'm shocked by your racism? how many arab people do you know!!!! arabs like all people there is a good and bad persons but stop racism and see fox channe!
ghaidouda 3 months ago
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Face it, Arabs aren't very nice people. C'mon, have you ever met a decent arab?
PinHeadzBlackson 4 months ago
Face it, Arabs aren't very nice people. C'mon, have you ever met a decent arab?
PinHeadzBlackson 4 months ago
@PinHeadzBlackson how many Arabs have you met?
123456dude 4 months ago
This isn't it....
Whats the movie that hit not only middle eastern but asian black and latino sterotype and after each segment give like facts about it
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nnasser007 5 months ago
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nnasser007 5 months ago
Do not believe them. This reflects the invasion of intellectual and moral Arabs
99712255h 5 months ago
What a load of BS.
Just from the top of my head. James Bond; The Spy Who Loved Me & The Living Daylights where 007 teams up with the Mujahedin. Or Rambo 3 where he joins the Afghan resistance against the Russians.
This guy is complainnig about stereotyping. However all stereotypes are based on a general truth. It doesn't apply nescaserrely to the individual. it's an easy way to let people identify large groups.
And why is he...
Qwerty2OG 5 months ago
And why is he only whining about the negative stereotypes concerning Arabs? You don't hear him about Russians, all being communists or atheletes on steroids. Or what about the stereotype about western people, most businessmen and politicians are corrupt?
That arabs are often portrayed as terrorists isn't that surprising. Look at the major bombings since the 1980s. The only ones i can think of not being performed by Arabs ( and muslim extremists; unfortunately lots of people don't know the …
Qwerty2OG 5 months ago
unfortunately lots of people don't know the difference) are the Unabomber and the the bombing in Oklahoma City by McVeigh. And Breivik last month.
There's always a good and a bad guy in movies. And since hollywood is american they willl portray the americans\westerners as the good guys most of the time (everybody roots for the hometeam). But when you look at films like The Last Samurai or Dances with wolves you'll see that the americans are the bad guys.
What's realy funny is...
Qwerty2OG 5 months ago
What's realy funny is that he blames Disney's Alladin. While this storie originates from 1001 Arabian nights. Just like Sinbad the Sailor and Ali Baba. Stories that do not portray the arabs positively. But according to Mr. Shaheen, westerners aren't aloud to portray/show/say that???
All in all, a very one-sided documentary only showing The Real Bad Hollywood, How the middle east villifies the west.
Qwerty2OG 5 months ago
IIRC, Howard Beale of Network ends up being told that the whole notion of Arabs (and countries and states and all the rest of it) is essentially a meaningless sideshow for the movement of capital. While I think the narrator is correct in that the filmmakers portrayed something vaguely reminiscent of Nazi propaganda, I think he's wrong about how that portrayal ends up being used in the film.
sammythemc 8 months ago
@humanophage
Israelitechica 8 months ago
humanophage: topical American asshole........ I'm American, but i hate the arrogance of Americans. Americans isn't better then anyone else. Hidden behind you philosophy and military when America is in fact the real terrorist.
Israelitechica 8 months ago
I feel sick for watching this .. we are humans too =(
3anooOoona 8 months ago
A person of colour, a person who is LGBTI, a person from another faith, a woman- hollywood has pretty much screwed al these particular groups over. They're either desexualised of hypersexualised, turned in to pure cartoon or loss of identity.
Fuck you hollywood.
midgysamurai15 8 months ago
I hate disney now :(
2qewl4u 8 months ago
everybody hates arabs, they look like camels^^
sosprachich 9 months ago
@sosprachich Maybe it's a camel that would save your misbegotten life if you were left to fend off for yourself in the desert.
Narfypoit 7 months ago
It happends today with black stereotypes as well. Look at the Wire ,The Sheild, Law and order, NYPD blue! any show with black people...they always make most of the black characters some manner or criminal.
Point being really understand your points!
Updehill 9 months ago
why ? why they hate us ? we didn't hurt them in all the history ? we living their culture everyday , we're watching their movies we're buying their songs albums , we are teaching our kids their language ,, why they just think we are a stupids and just got money without brains ,,
if i am the king of arab .. i will give USA all the oil ,, and the money ,, but please stop hating and hurting us ,, and teach ur kids how to kill us
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black women ? crazy men hating every body ? man fuck that
italyanoQ8 10 months ago
arabs/muslims are nothing like what they show in the movies.
they are NOT
violent,
evil,
stupid,
cruel,
terrorists,
kidnappers,
backwards.
Infact arabs/muslims are highly intelligent people. they speak the most complex and diverse language in the world! the follow the most peaceful religion on earth (read the Quran before replying with negative comments) and most muslims do not have that crazy accent! neither do true muslims kidnap or insult or disrespect women!
brishkhan 11 months ago
@brishkhan I dont need to read to Quran to tell you that your generalizations of arabs/muslims is just as irresponsible as Hollywood's. Arabs/Muslims CAN BE violent, evil,stupid, terrorists and kidnappers. Just like American's CAN BE and Mexican's CAN BE....
However, muslims don't insult or disrespect women? Please....
ryleyLeech 11 months ago
@ryleyLeech go to .... wwwwluml.org/node/5964
ryleyLeech 11 months ago
@ryleyLeech wluml.org/node/5964
ryleyLeech 11 months ago
@ryleyLeech i do not know about the ''muslims'' you know, but islam does not allow it, and neither do true muslims. and yes you do need to read the Quran. you don't know a thing about islam other than what the media says. muslims cannot be bad because if they are bad then they are not muslims.
brishkhan 11 months ago
@ryleyLeech women are given a VERY high status in islam. i give you many quranic verses and hadith saying so. you don't hav to be muslim but don't say anything about it because it shows that your lack of knowledge of islam. peace.
brishkhan 11 months ago
@brishkhan Well, I am not certain it is reasonable to agree with such an appraisal. Plenty of religions are peaceful on paper. I don't think there is a way of objectively measure which language is the most complex, but Arabic literature is not the largest in the world.
Anyway,
Humanophage 9 months ago
@brishkhan Stupid: Arabs have a fairly low average IQ of ~85. It is low compared to any European country. Middle Eastern education is generally poor, especially in the Arab states. Maths achievements in schools are very low.
Cruel: Mutilation and flagellation widely practiced as a form of punishment. Death penalty not cancelled; practiced in most of Middle East. Animal cruelty prominent in tradition.
Humanophage 9 months ago
@Humanophage
stupid, you do not compare IQ's by countries you dumb ass
q8smiley 7 months ago
@q8smiley Why, you do. However, it makes more sense to compare average IQ by ethnicity. No point at all measuring average South African IQ when the gap between white IQ and black IQ is over 20 points.
Humanophage 7 months ago
@Humanophageso what you came up with that studying while you're farting !!!!!!
sorry i didn't think you were that of a dumb ass but apparently you are :)
q8smiley 7 months ago
@q8smiley I'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking for the sources of my statements?
There is, for instance, a convenient table with a neatly organised source column called "IQ and the Wealth of Nations -- Lynn and Vanhanen -- data table of national mean IQ studies summarized by Steve Sailer".
Humanophage 7 months ago
@brishkhan Terrorists: If one considers terrorist acts with 150+ victims, 13 / 24 would be committed by Arabs, 8 / 24 by non-Arab Muslims, and 4 / 24 by unrelated groups (like Communists in 1925). Terrorism is strictly dominated by Arabs.
Kidnappers: More of a Latin American thing, but the Middle East comes second. It is a highly publicised and common terrorist practice.
Humanophage 9 months ago
@Humanophage i am a muslim, not an arab, yet i'm defending arabs because I KNOW that it is dead wrong to label a community.
i don't believe in figures that i find on the internet. those are for media followers like you.
i live in pakistan, and i have seen the the media etc. makes me want to laugh at how they portray us as an evil, pathetic country....
so basically what i'm saying is if you are cruel enough to just label a people of being stupid and violent, then you are to be pitied on
brishkhan 9 months ago
@brishkhan Backwards: Literacy rates even in leading countries below 85%; below 70% in Egypt, Yemen, Morocco. High religiosity; people detained for 'immorality'. Average HDI in oil countries, low HDI in the rest.
Violent: Fairly low murder rates in the Arabic world, but then lots of terrorist acts and honor killings. I'd say more conflict-prone and indignant than violent (i.e., prone to getting upset and to protests).
Humanophage 9 months ago
@Humanophage so you are saying that arabs are stupid, violent, terrorists. if you are then you are a racist, prey to propaganda.you must also think of all blacks as aggressive, all blondes as dumb etc.
brishkhan 9 months ago
um the dude who's speaking was right in almost everything. Then he mentions Iranians in a talk about Arabs and he considered them the same. Iranians are not Arabs, they are actually Aryan. I'm Palestinian x
confusedreem 1 year ago
@confusedreem Yeah
But he meant, even if the iranians do something bad, the world would blame the arabs as well
We are on this shit together. Middle east, north-africa, south asia... Every muslim who would do something bad would bring shame to arabs first and his own country second
scorpionsSon 11 months ago
I am an Arab and I was LMAO when I saw 1:48 !
lotr450 1 year ago
I don't think that Gladiator is a good example of Hollywood injecting Arabs in movies not involving the Middle East, because much of the Roman Empire consisted of the middle east, so for Arabs to be in the Roman Empire is not farfetched and Arabs and Romans where in fact involved in the slave trade. Slaves were a casual part of Roman life.
TakumProti 1 year ago
I loved the little lie the guy told in the movie; the 5 countries part. Israel made sure every one of them got a close look at their missiles, every now and then. If you know what I mean.
MadForColors 1 year ago
The both video part are a great work and will be shared .
Just one very important thing , Zionist Jews Propaganda are in Hollywood since 1910 and if Hollywood Movies have been used against Arab Culture it is a part that play in the Master mind Plan of taking Palestine .
Thank you for the video !
sattanhellsing 1 year ago
it pays for Israel that the West hates Arabs - if we started to respect them as human beings, we might be friendly with the rest of the Middle East.
Shanniquitie 1 year ago
I agree with this video, but you must remember that this sort of thing has happend to many other types of people : blacks during the slave trade way back when, the germans during ww1 and espesially ww2, also the japanese during ww2 (vietnamese during the vietnam war, north koreans during the korean war), and the russians during th cold war. its all propaganda by the elite to sell there views in time of war so that the stupid can support them... am i right ?
ValveBurst2 1 year ago 26
@ValveBurst2
You're absolutely right.
I applaud to your insight.
groeneduim 11 months ago
@ValveBurst2 hell yeah you're right.
GrandMufti1897 7 months ago
i hope this guy knows that 9/11 was an inside job.
mrzack888 1 year ago
hollywood is owned and run by jews, aswell as 96 percent of the rest of the western nations media, so it doesnt take much of an imagination to realize why the public are so ignorant. "they" also happen to set up america's current schooling system, and the public medical system of canada, and now in america.
issareign 2 years ago
Iranians aren't arab. they are persion
samtyn 2 years ago
@samtyn Took the words right out of my mouth.
Unfortunately, Persians are subject to basically the same stereotypes as Arabs, due to the two being lumped in together.
sciencealwayswins 1 year ago
because of that. And so often arabs and muslims become part of the same coin.
I also think its the goverments responsibility how they portray themselves from the outside.
When muslim countries practise for instance sharia as a form of tradition, I think it gives people a form of impression that this is considered normal in these countries.
besmb2105 2 years ago
this is similar observation you will find in AVATAR.
the "ALIEN" culture is analogy to the middle east, aftrican tribes, and amazonian tribes...
The imagination of James cameron is only limited by his bigoted vision of the "alien"...
Its so effin corny.
xpez 2 years ago 3
@xpez Lol AVATAR... garbage American script wrapped up in pretty yet unimaginative CGI...
christpunchers 1 year ago
i hate disney
sha6ar6oon 2 years ago 15
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electrigal 2 years ago
its a fact, the british funded and created the muslim extremists to set the precedent to invade their countries.
issareign 2 years ago 2
really ? can i have a proof of that ? its just sounds weird .
doomisclose 2 years ago
watch lawrence of arabia, its factual. not to mention the fact that the saudi arabian monarchs were put into power by the british, aswell as all the other dictatorships and monarchys of the arab world. they dont want moderate arabs, because then they have no excuse to make war upon them and reap the spoils of war and genocide. for a good real life parable of this, just research mohammed mosadek of iran. he was moderate, progressive, they took him out and put in the fanatics.
issareign 2 years ago
alright ill try to watch it .
doomisclose 2 years ago
No, acts of terrorism by Arabs Vilifies "Arabs."
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
lol same comment, keep trying retard
issareign 2 years ago
Well issareign your comment is meaningless other than to harass those who disagree with your little world view.
Again, if Arabs were not involved in acts of terrorism there would be nothing for hollywood to write in that regard. FT
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
the point is you moron, there is a clear disproportionate representation of arabs as villains in movies compared to all other culutres. and it also happens to coincide with the current conquest of arab countries. the point here is that there is a clear connection between the two things. the government runs the culture industry, and they portray their enemies a certain way to prepare their populations to accept what was to come.
issareign 2 years ago 2
Name calling only serves to show that your blind conviction outweighs knowledge and fact.
Actual knowledge would tell you that what is disproportionate is the amount of terrorism carried out by and sponsored people of said cultures in the name of Islam.
Over the past 50 years how many terrorist attacks have been committed by Christian groups upon Muslim groups ........... BIG FAT ZERO! The clear connection is terrorism not our government or "culture industry."
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
Actually, come think of it.
I dont know if arabs are more moligned than any other group, but I think it has something to do with fundamentalism and the ME - conflict.
Its no secret that portrayals of the conflict has sparked antisemitism, for instance, so I wont doubt that the portrayals of the ME - conflict, also can lead to islamophobia or anti - arab racism.
Also, there is the focus on islamic extremism, and I think people have a tendency to somehow think that all muslims are evil
besmb2105 2 years ago
lol why is arabs in quotes?
issareign 2 years ago
take it as you will
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
so you did it to create a false sense of sophistication
issareign 2 years ago
Again, take it as you will. If you consider quotes as a sophistication, what can I say; lol
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
neither false nor implied
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
ok bye now, on to the next lot of arab/muslim related videos here on youtube to fill your time in your pitiful life of deluded grandeur.
issareign 2 years ago
Disney ...for kids and hollywood in general......its all about perdictive programming.....conditioning us to sway us any which way they plz....tthey want sex and violence they JUST put movies that encourage that.....its all psychology! Conditioning us just like Al gore did with inconvenient truth and then out came the carbon tax.
Badwolf182 2 years ago
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This hate thing is being there for more than 13 century, it's roots magnified and well established during the crusaders wars... at the end of this thing ... Americans or European they are racism by nature .
basbort 2 years ago
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basbort 2 years ago
Amazing series of films!But By the way,, Iranians are not arabs
19z86 2 years ago
At least persians aren't.
bornemix 2 years ago
A great film !
oliversinhell 3 years ago