New!!! Donovan McNabb Highlights

[waka2414]

Have they Won A Super Bowl Fuck No Hahahah fuck the eagles Mcnabb sucks Vick sucks Vince young sucks so yeah I saw your face but the eagles didnt do shit so thats all talk and look at my face :)

[DSIEGEL55]

watching this makes me so fucking disappointed about this season. We haven't been this bad for a while. We'll bounce back next year GO IGGLES!

[jjhardey24]

nice hd

[MrReav13]

Who cares if he threw up? He outperformed TOM BRADY in that SB, his teammates choked up, not him.

THUMBS UP FOR MCNABB #1 QB EVER

[janboblarry]

@MrReav13 hell yea! mcnabb is easily best QB eagles ever had. everyone's saying vick is so great. but he had no pressure on him and he isnt doing near as good this year.

[KWXxiibeasto]

im not very happy that the vikings signed him i mean he can bring us to the superbowl but then he will throw up on the field again before th game starts the he is going to cause another vikings lose in the superbowl lets hope he dosnt pussy out again

[nicktodo]

McNabb is hella dope, skol Vikings!

[TRIZZY619]

Mcnabb is a beast it was the redskins that sucked ass. I'm pretty sure he is gonna do good with the Vikings though

[freshkiidintown101]

@jladrae shut the fuk up how many black qb dat u know went to the superbowl i'll tell u something tht coach suck all his doing is eat philly money

[skywalker71903]

Donovan McNabb is one of the few real QBs left in game. QBs such as Brady,Sanchez,Rivers are all way over protected by refs. If defensive player hits Brady late its a flag and fine. But McNabb always gets hit late and no flag and fine. Like Eagles Coach Andy Reid said some QBs get favored over other QBs in NFL and by refs. Conspiracy in NFL

[hiddendemon101]

Hah Tony Homo that's great

[mssaddity]

hate the music love the highlights

[TheEagleman79]

now that Vicks head man u gonna make a video about him u r right eagles will win and man Im in the same boat fuck u cowboys, giants r over rated, and The redskins r a joke EAGLES ALL THE WAY LETS GO

[jladrae]

Philadelphia's biggest mistake was SIGNING him!

[MrDJ1195]

@jladrae shup up let me guess your a Giant or Dallas fan right!!! McNabb is the best NFC East QB ever Real Talk!!! 1

[5samoht]

donovan Mcnabb is my neighbor

[ThEeAgLeSFaN20]

@DEATH2FAGS4eva and vick

[ThEeAgLeSFaN20]

@DEATH2FAGS4eva Im being realistic go peyton

[TheEaglesfanindc]

im black and idky why ppl be making highlight vids with these shitty songs ugh this shitty south rappers thats why hip hop dead now the south AND YO NAME MY DOUGIE LMAO!!! u a youngin

[ThEeAgLeSFaN20]

McNabb has the best deep ball ever

[ThEeAgLeSFaN20]

@DEATH2FAGS4eva Eli has a vagina Peyton GETS vagina all the time Peyton is the greatest player to ever play in the nfl hands down

[YourMomsDadMom]

YEAAHHH go EAGLES I see that they doing better with Vick,

[ziggy8392]

@YourMomsDadMom Vick just lost in the first round of the playoffs. That happened to Don only once.

[MASSIVE100]

@mydougie876 Eli Manning does have a superbowl ring.

[Wrathofkala]

Love the highlights hate the music......pure trash lyrics

[jewjew54]

wats the first song called



[2muchswagg4ya]

@jewjew54 work dat lumba

[loudbark01]

fuck tony homo!!!!!!

[coppercabb1]

FUCK MCNABB HE IS A BITCH

[tsoon1bird]

GO REDSKINS MUAHAHHAHAHA

[yodafans97]

@tsoon1bird Lucky Sons of a bitches. U guys got blessed getting a HOF QB like McNabb.

[THADDI21]

good video mcnabb is my favorite player of all time

[MrZayy13]

mcnabb is my favorite player in the nfl

[MrZayy13]

lets go eagles



[mariofreak1802]

too badd mcfagg is goin to ruin the skins will give him back too you though

[ToyinIsRetarded]

@mariofreak1802 your skins are already ruined

[905productions]

And now that McNabb is a Redskin, we can say "Kevin Kolb sucks....The Eagles just suck all together"

[CEnitemare76]

Shit I hope donovan mccnab destroy da eagles dats some bullshit dat da eagles traded him

[FamousWaltz]

u already kno E.A.G.L.E.S. all day

[Number10Luca]

sry for u guys, he's now a Redskin! Fight for ol' DC ;-)

[tradrum]

To the guy talking smack in the video, feel free to hang yourself with a burgundy and gold McNabb jersey. He is now a Redskin baby.

[grerichm]

Great vid...keep em' coming, long live 5! Who sings the first song on the video?

[alexgme2010]

yo bro u get my respect... mcnabb for life!!!

[bladeinass]

NFL is a bunch of dumbasses why would he even go to redskins Fuck. i wanna see him as a bronco thats a good team they need a good QB. I like the saints (no didnt join the bandwagon. Still love Aaron brooks!!!)

[lilbaker99927]

video sucks and donovan is gone now kevin kolb will step up and kill the skins for you faggots and mcnabb has no recievers now dumb shit fuckers or an offensive line they have no defense so suck a dick everyone and the only compitition we have is the boys so fuck the skins and fuck the boys and fuck the giants

[deucedatruth5]

@lilbaker99927 mcnabb is use to that already he got some young weapons n devin thomas, malcom kelly,fred davis he also got cooley comin back who use 2 kill the eagles and he got 3 all pro RB'S he got talent around him and the skins defense aint all that bad his coach is a legend and can build a team like he did in denver so keep thinkin kolb is the shit and just go back and watch the ravens game of 08 and the last play of the saints game becuz thats what he is thats kolb's game for u rite there

[bradblazer]

Yeah, we'll see how bad Washington sucks this year, jackass. Say hello to the bottom of the NFC East.

[October124eva]

@bradblazer Hater!

[Tzler]

@bradblazer top of the division so far

[bossdogonlow]

vid is so choppy 1/5 stars u suck, die. Go skins!

[llIdejavuIll]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 5:40 + lololol lemme see ur face now all i gotta say is GO SKINS!!

[darthzinvader]

LOL!!! the dumbest franchise ever, thanks for getting rid of Giant Killer McNabb!! hahahahahaha

[saltybacon26]

This vid sucks but i think its gonna be good when he brings this to washington....REDSKINS alllllll day

[MrJlb80]

i cant believe we traded him smh :'(

[222seanb222]

lol.. washington suck... well mcnabb on washington now..!!

[jaysteinhauer]

great tribute sucks mcnabb is gone let the kolb era begin

[shady5918]

he might be a Raider!

[JQUiK84]

@shady5918 he doesnt wanna be a raider he rather retire and i heard a rumour that kevin kolb is on the trade block too

[EAGLESbSMASHING]

mcnabb is the shit i would hate to see him leave =( lol

[Pucajaje]

MacNabb RULES!!!!!

[JaiJai15]

lets go eagles....

[undertaker14and0]

dallas fans we might get peppers shaun rodgers thts enough to beat u fags all year round romo strugles way to much we 1 a playoff game but it took u guys like how much 14 years or something to win a playoff game so dont be gettin smart u guys didnt win cause romo cause austin mcnabb desean jackson jason avant maclin celec thats more than u guys got so we will see next season and dont be gettin smart theres always next season drr

[MrTOTyi]

gratulations for the video I love donoven McnaBB and GO EAGLES

[asante22desean10]

hey u dicks, dallas sucks shitt ok they wee lucky this year ur gonna get ur big hillbilly ass whooped nxt year

[bioniclejohnredpsp]

remember this sheagles fan

20-16 Loss to cowboys

24-0 Loss to cowboys

34-14 Loss to cowboys

o and i almost forgot in the same season!!!

[naseer424]

remember this cowgirls

44-6 and that in 2004 we sweep yall in the 2004 season

[bioniclejohnredpsp]

dumbasses that was in 04 and 08 were talking about this season! we wooped the eagles ass hahaha!

[CaptnFrkNasti]

yeah all cowboys fans shit there pants when they have a good season.

keep your tampon in bitch

[icantfindaname7]

its funny how all these cowboy fans and redskins fans come in here and talk shit, cuz if u didnt like donovan or the eagles then why are u watching the video

[INFAMOUSmak]

u no wat..dallas sucks and i h8 u guys..lol

[kevdawg55]

1:11 what a pass! whata catch!

[LTKillah]

first of all godcowboys2000 get your scores straight before you start talking trash. Yea the eagles lost but they did not get scraped, cowboys came to play we just didnt, they blew it. So from an eagles fan to a cowboys fan congrats you beat us. But now you want to talk trash about how you "scraped" us, well here's a statistic for you ass 2 years ago 2008 wild card game: Score Eagles 44 Cowboys 6, their worst loss in 20 years, that is a true ass whooping. Do your homework before you speak

[thehoove100]

Good points... but the 2008 game was the final game of the season, not the wild card game. It was a game to decide who went to the playoffs, and Philadelphia won handily, 44-6.

Eagles fly again in 2010!

[skinnyc19]

you r definatley rite the eagles from my point wasnt playin like philly at all so they deservd to get beat but he cnt talk shit tho cuz datz wat tony homos 1st playoff win n then he got smakd by the vikings witout a touchdwn so watz he talkin bout

[marcusjf1]

ok before u try to put somebody else on blast,what happen when dallas beat philly twice, yea thats what i thought, eagles got ther ass kicked by new orleans put did the cowboys no, do your homework and check it before u speak dumb ass

[cilydaniel]

Can we say he is OWNED by #94 D. Ware , Dallas Cowboys rule.

[wacoinferno]

Have a great off season you bunch of loosers. Put your head down and keep it down . The Dassla Cowboys walked all over your punk ass motherfuckers. THE EAGLES GOT THEIR ASS BEAT DOWN>  You dumb fuckers got hit in the mouth . yep right square in the mouth .

[hilliard34]

learn how to spell Dallas fag...i bet you're real smart with that 2nd grade education

[skinnyc19]

yo shut up cuz afta u beat philly u got ur asses smakd by sum vikings n cudnt do shit wat happend 2 dat gr8 tony homo ya love praisin o n lets not 4get wakass miles austin where was he at oops nowhere vikings was on ya asses all game

[marcusjf1]

ok but did did the eagles even get that far,no because they couldent beat dallas dumb retard

[Bossrah]

LOL!!! make it that far??? thats the first time my little brother witnessed a cowboy win lol!!!!

Difference between cowboys fans and Eagles fans your satisfied with beating us. We are not satisfied until we lift that trophy

[Dev17cmd]

Music is sick

[DeBoe009]

LOl love it Philli All day, Donovan is one of the Best QB's EVER!!!, Hall of Fame Definate//Ps..I HATE DALLAS WITH A PASSION

[ThEeAgLeSFaN20]

@DeBoe009 i love mcnabb too but i gurantee he wont go to the HoF fuck dallas too

[MrDJ1195]

@DeBoe009 i hate the Giants with a passion

[GoDCowboys2000]

offtheheezy100! DUMBEST COMMENT EVER! COWBOYS SWEPT EAGLES! WILD CARD WEEKEND: COWBOYS 59, EAGLES 0! HA! TAKE THAT PUNK!

[offtheheezy100]

Thats right, go eagles! Its all right we lost twice to dallas, we will kill them next week in the playoffs baby!

[mssaddity]

love the highlights but had to mute the music wasnt feeling the loud southern vulgarity rap...donovan is great i love him

[AJStylz1]

MY favorite qb ever

[lakerstrufan24]

i completely agree with the guy who made the vid. donovan is gonna take us to the superbowl this year. and you hit jackson's number almost on the dot. you said 13 and he has 12 rite now but he'll probably get 1 or 2 more next game. DALLAS SUCKS!!! GIANTS SUCK!!!! GO EAGLES!!!!

[hhhylton]

u gotta love them eagles lets get that ring

[deeptreat88]

Who sings the first song?

[sjweirdo]

YO bro im a huge eagles fan bro. worrrrkk upppp! donovan mcnabb is sick and all them teams are lucky we dont got curtis or westbrook cause then we wouldve had a perfect season broo.

[Bigpica1223]

Mcnabb all day

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[savethedowns]

lol I was a huge fan on Mcnabb when he was in syracuse and i remember watching the 99 draft and the reaction everyone gave him when philly picked him, now every philly fan claims to have stuck with him the whole way, thats funny, philly is posers!!!

[mydougie876]

Yeah join the flock again. Go eagles go donovan. im a true fan not just to him but to all the eagles. Im not a fake. appreciate the love

[proscons76]

Great video, I've stuck by Donovan every step of the way, and hope it their year, there's a lot of teams that would have these many yrs in a row of success, now it's time to bring home the trophy

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[Defianceee]

I love the eagles :) Great video, It would of been better if you weren't reading off something when you were talking, lmao.

[mydougie876]

Oh lol I wasnt reading anything i was looking at my camera and the angle i had it at made t look like that. I would never read off somebody else lol. I know my team like the back of my hand. Thanks for viewing

[memphiscat718]

yo, bro, love the video, alot, me and my son watched, and we loved it. please respond when you can, go birds and donovan 4 mvp

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[azzoozy1]

this was a great video...dont jinx the eagles...pray for a superbowl

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[yafomonster]

lol, GO EAGLES

[011193ankit]

Donovan and Desean are the best weapons for eagles

[MegaDre25]

mcnaab is the best eagles gonna win the superbowl

[golde79]

my dougie those were the most onest words i have ever heard except about maclin hes not at desaen level but still very good and i think mcnabb is the best qb cause when he had t.o he made it to the superbowl just goes to show wat eagles can do with one good wide reicer and thats were desaen comes in write me back thankz

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17 and those words were after we had just drafted maclin. but if i made it again it would be different

[dbockbra]

man u r so right about everything u said in that video lets go eagles

[shaddocktehking]

fly eagles fly cowboys sucks porn stars dicks mcnaab all the way and tr is gay

[pothead2036]

nice vid mcnabb is the shit no doubt about and his touch down incerception ratio is amazing he did it all with shiity receivers too this is the year this is the best talent hes ever had around him and this sb is for j.j o yeah and fuck cowboys!!!!!!!!!!!

[joemac416]

south philly dude! mcnabb all day

[sixereagles]

That video was all that and then some the Eagles will win the superbowl this year to many weapons and when curtis comeback then what do team do cover desean and let maclin and curtis bet you our cover maclin and curtis and let desean bet you!!! To many weapons for a person like McNabb to have FLY EAGLES FLY

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[Djhotsh0t]

Yoooo Enough respect on the Vid McNabb has been disrespected for far tooooo long hes on another planet Cannon right arm can scramble hes got it all and finaly has weapons SuperBowl for the eagles Pro bowl for McNabb ALL DAY!! deuces

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[TheZolton07]

Donovan is a beast! Desean cannot ba stopped and the birds will snap out of this 2 game losing streak

[McGuz711]

nice vid EAGLES 4 life , McNabb is the best , cowboys suck!!!! , they just got lucky , we will beat them back in texas and completely destroy them like last time , the rings will come ! ! !

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[skaterkid9871]

eagles all day

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[slappy09]

This franchise over the years has always been at the bottom of the barrel. No history compared to many other franchises. Go to the Football Hall of Fame and you will see. Their Super Bowl is if they beat Dallas because at the end of the year when they are wingless...I mean ringless all you hear is "At least we beat Dalls". Eagles will never win the big one because you can't put a ring on a wing!

GO STEELERS!

[shaddocktehking]

how they lost to chiefs raiders browns yep go steelers...

[mydougie876]

HMMM EAGLES FANS WHAT DO YOU SAY, SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A HATER...... BUT LOOK WHOSE GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS AND LOOK WHICH TEAM IS GONNA BE AT HOME WATCHING THEM lol

[abitesizedcow]

haha true that

[germandude0207]

go birds

[mentalxmarine]

my fav player nice vid

[Tyfire101]

Hey dougie whats the first song that you play in the video

[mydougie876]

Work that lumber by treal lee

[Bigpica1223]

Mcnabbs my favorite player to, he deserves a ring

[ItzMeEric]

LOL good video.

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[ATD909]

Out of McNabb's years in the NFL, when did the Eagles make it to the Super Bowl? When they had T.O. The Eagles are a pass-heavy offense, yet McNabb's been working w. an average-strength receiving corps. (minus the T.O. period) If we got TJ Housh or Boldin in the off-season, we'd be almost guaranteed Super Bowl berth.

Btw...DeSean Jackson is gonna be a top-notch receiver once he gets more experience. 8-)

[abitesizedcow]

i think this year and especially next year the eagles have a chance to dominate. jacksons only getting better and maclin is starting to come into his own. this year has been weird for shady, getting used to the blocking. i think westbrook has enough in the tank to last until shady comes into his own. and then celeks a rising star whos gonna make a name for himself. and if vick can get better next year...watch out!

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[SULTANJR22]

all that shit at the end was so fuckin true tony romo is a fuckin faggot and so is eli manning

EAGLES SUPERBOWL 44 CHAMPIONS!!!!

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[kaperocka1]

this my nigga never heard more true words

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[mario621000]

GO EAGLES! we go take dis year

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[BarcodeKidnapper909]

if da quality was better dis vid wood b bad ass Desean jackson = beast

[110694kb]

KEEP EM CUMIN BOI

[110694kb]

my name is kendall and the video was dope and all dat stuff u said........ true and we gone win this super this year, without dawkins........EAGLE FAN 4LIFE HOMMIE

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[philaowens81]

wow this video has shitty quality and horrible fucking music. you probably listen to soulja boi dont you and you think lil wayne is the best.

[mydougie876]

HAHAHAHA, Sounds like a hater

[pmjackle]

Yoooo ur the fukin man everything u said was fukin true bro best video ever !

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!!! Go Eagles!!!!!! Feel free to watch my other vids!!!! Forget Dallas!!!! Its over week 17

[EaglesAlwaysCHOKE]

@mydougie876, week 17? 24-0

[swagahacka]

yo u suk balls

[mydougie876]

must be a cowgirl fan

[gelbenfrauen]

wow i cant believe how gay this kid is. i want you to watch this video over again "mydougie876" and watch urself at the end. does it make you uncomfortable? you want to fuck donovan mcnabb... that's all there is to it. you poor little guy. and the music is terrible... and anyone who compliments this video is an idiot.... very terribly done

[mydougie876]

Hahaha. Just another eagle hater!!!!

[ILLROC]

DAT SHIT IZ OFF DA HOOK PLAYA!!! GOOD SHIT!!! GO EAGLES ALL DAY ER'DAY... F*CK ALL DA HATERZZZ DAT BAD MOUTH MY NIGGA DONOVAN A.K.A. McNABBANATOR... DEY ON SOME HUGGY JUICE HATIN DRINKS LOL... KEEP EM COMMIN PLAYBOY... ONE LUV... GO BIRDS...

[mydougie876]

Thanks bro!!!

[dcm221985]

Dawg good shit.

[bLuExbLaCk]

hahaha and the cowgirl part. that was nice.

[bLuExbLaCk]

hahaha dude who made this video, i really like you, not ina gay way.. your alot like me., but i mean like "hahaha remember this giants fans, Eagles-23 Giants - 11" i was like cracking up. Music's good too

[360player0000]

Yeah you can't put any clips of him doing that against the skins though

[mydougie876]

Dont even get me started on the redskins. OMG lets not even go there!!!!

[edubb121]

and nobody can put up any clips of the skins in the post season. u can have your wins in the regular season and watch the post season from home.

[mydougie876]

hahaha, now thats funny. I give you props. lol!!!!!!!! =)

[DoubleJ101507]

Hell Yeah finally someone who knows there facts im sick of all these fuckin analysists talkin shit about donavans performance, talkin bout how he cant deliver when his team needs it well thats bull shit because this year they finally got him some weapons other than westbrook and he will have a huge year!

[1234bonzai]

Donovan is the most underrated QB. Whether he wins a SB or not, he is a HOF'er, no doubt. I hope they do win the SB this year but Andy Reid is going to have to commit to running the ball more. Bringing in Peters and Leonard Weaver and drafting McCoy, that should show that they want to run more than they usually do. Let's hope they do cuz #5 can only do so much.

[CaptnFrkNasti]

Finally sumbody understands..and they definately underate his accuracy just because he is a "hybrid" qb doesn't mean he cant beam a laser into a tiny window

[JayMari24]

yea right u a fronter...lol

[JayMari24]

I hope so...i anint wishin nothing against u my nigga dont get it twisted...do ya thing. ut u cant tell me nothing about ball until u get on my level... God willing u will some day

[JayMari24]

High school??? wow it all make sense now...lol play college ball and then come holla at me

[mydougie876]

Ha. I bet I'll go D-1

[JayMari24]

Maybe u didnt hear me.i am a FOOTBALL PL.AYER... do u kno wat dat means "fan"?im the starting saftey for louisburg college ill b goin 2 Wake Forest next year. Soon i am gonna b playin amongst these players u admire so dearly. i call u a rookie cause dats wat u r...nothing more but a watcher, a fan. u have no idea of how much heart it takes to produce consistantly. All i was sayin is that Donovan lost that heart and desire he use to have. he will never win the superbowl with dat attitude.

[mydougie876]

You play football too. I Am a football player to kidd. Ima Quarterback thats why I admire donovan so much. Im the starter for my high school squad. So If you think im just a watcher, you're terribly mistaken. Look me up. Been playin since I was in the 6th grade homie.

[JayMari24]

Ok I gave credit where it was do but dis shit gettin out of hand. Ed reed is the hardest hittin safety in in the NFL(look it up rookie)...and u kno bout his coverage, is fuckin banannas...yall kno him man and I anint even mention Ray lewis who is the best fuckin linebacker in the NFL. Yea dats right im comin at all u nigga dat had sumin to say about me speakin my mind.... so get prepare yall nigga up top

[mydougie876]

You seriously dont know too much about football. Callin me a rookie, Fool I watched Donovan when He was at damn Syracuse. Seen him get boo'd on draft day, seen it all son. I can Break down the whole damn eagles roster if I wanted to, player by player. starter or not. Thats a fan. I been there for my team even when we went 6-10 to 14-2. Im there always kidd!!!!. Get ya weight up and talk to some real fans, well you're talkin to one right now... me!!!! Dougie out this hoe.!!!

[O8SOL3TE]

14-2? Wasn't it more like 13-3?