Theory - the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another. Evolution has proven laws that correspond in nature, and evolution is a fact. If you doubt this please, please before you hate me research the following facts. Synthetic cells, proving there is a mathematical order to cellular creation. Chromosome #2, the fused primate cell that evolves humans. And lastly the "missing link" Homo habilis. Irrefutable evidence that evolution is a fact, what you do with that is your choice.
Even if god does exist, why is [he] allowing us to come to such fiery debate over his very existence? Wouldn't he just come down out of the sky and yell "My children, quit your jabbering!" Why can't an omnipotent god prove his own existence to so many of his children [i.e. atheists]?
I am not the best mathematician in the world but how could 48 choromosomes become 46 by the fusion of 2 chromosomes? If 2 chromosomes out of 48 would fuse and become one then there will remain 47 chromosomes, not 46. Right? So how come this guy thinks that this is possible when it's mathematically impossible. LOL. There will be needed 3 chromosomes fused to get 46 out of 48 not 2. Or that ancestor must have got 47 chromosomes, not 48. So who's the retard here?
@chris241289 Elementary biology. There were 24 pairs of chromosomes, not 48 separate ones. Somewhere along the way, the 24 that our ape & chimp cousins have became 23 through the fusion of two chromosomes. Pairs of 23 makes 46. This mutation allowed our common ancestor to better survive in their environment, & the 23-paired individual proliferated, slowly evolving into the first hominids like us. Much more interesting story than the one the bible tells, no?
Thats easy and as usual its the cretard asking the stupid questions (THATS YOU) since you are too stupid to understand a simple explination its no wonder you are a creatard.
Try watching the video again and lustening very carefull and try to understand. If its still beyond your intelligence to understand theres no point me trying to explain to you.
In fact, if we proved beyond a doubt that we didn't share a common ancestor with the chimpanzee, it still wouldn't mean much at all to the theory of evolution. It's a slight nudge. All it would prove is that we would have had to come from somewhere else. How "homocentrist" is it to assume that the entire theory rests on that we know where WE came from?...I thought that statement was rather quick, and it hasn't been said by anyone who's serious. Other than that, good video.
@damillionmalania if it proves that humans come from apes then that's sufficient evidence to completely disregard creationism as a whole, as it directly contradicts it.
@todoz11 Yes, but that wasn't the point, was it? All I said is that the theory of evolution would still be very much intact even if we didn't have proof that humans shared a common ancestor with the chimpanzee...because there are millions of other similar links in nature to point to for which we DO have proof, and even if humanity didn't come from this common ancestor we would have to ask ourselves from which other animal we evolved, not conclude that "godditit".
Re: "God is real, and I will be praying for all of you."
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God is as real as Leprechauns, fairies, mermaids and the rest of the completely unevidenced myths. Waste your time any way you like. It's still a waste of time.
You are making a mistake. You can not argue with a religious person. Religion is a mental illness. The religious deal with anxiety by believing in a giant all powerful father in the sky who protects them. They obsess over behaviors like having to wear special hats, or say certain words in order to appease this ever-watchful disciplinarian. That is simply a cross between OCD, delusion and paranoia. Try defining delusion, and then try to distinguish between that and the belief in God.
As soon as evolutionist can produce life they will have a point. The truth is they cannot. They can manipulate life that is already there, but they cannot take an inanimate conglomeration of matter and give it life. The rest is just the mechanics of physics.
If you do not follow...and think cloning is the same as creating life, just realize that they started with something already containing life. Scientist cannot find a beginning and every one of them realizes they are missing that one point.
@BBAHUNTER search "Martin Hanczyc: The line between life and not-life" it's a TED talk, very interesting. It's not the creation of life as you ask, but is very very close, is just a matter of time I think. Hope you enjoy it :D
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Are you alive? Task completed! More seriously though, why don't you require any evidence from creationism, yet as evolution to "prove" something it doesn't even argue. Evolution is NOT abiogenesis. Evolution is about the diversity of species, not the emergence of life. How do you expect to argue against things you don't even understand?
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So? 200-years ago we couldn't show you the microbes that cause disease either. Does that mean evil spirits were doing it? You seem to be forgetting that creationism has ZERO evidence to support it. Evolution is fully supported by evidence. That means you're in no position to challenge.
For what it's worth, non-living bits have been nudged into creating a replicating molecule which evolves.
@Beastt17 the person that said that is wrong, "life"; of the single celled nature, has been made in labs with base chemicals commen in the universe. if a quick search online doesn't turn it up, msg me. i'm slow, but willing to help. it's not like the greek philosopher trying to make flies by rotting meat in a closed jar. it's understood a touch better now. (1500 to 2500 years will do that for science.) (i give him credit for a good attemp at the time though.)
The person who said what, is wrong? That man hasn't yet created life from non-biological components? If that's what you mean then I challenge you to present the research. We've created a replicating molecule, but not life. We've engineered the genetic strand to insert into a single-celled organism to completely restructure the organism. But we haven't yet succeeded in true abiogenesis. It's just a matter of time till we do.
@Beastt17 ok, your gonna have to give me a few day's. i'm on a road trip to a bike show this weekend... if i'm wrong i'll happily let you know, but i'm sure i've read of at least one maybe 3 published studies. in anycase, if i am wrong, i'll say in advance, yeah, it's only a matter of time. as it's 3 am here and i need to be up at 6. i'm out. like i said i'm slow, but i'll find it if its there.
So if we had 24 pairs of chromosomes and one of the pairs fuse to make just 1. Does that not mean we have 23 pairs of normal chromosomes and 1 new fused chromosome? I'm confused someone answer lol
@Yressa You say that 2 pairs of chromosomes became one pair? You mean 4 chromosomes became 2 chromosomes by fusion? This guy here states that 2 chromosomes which means a pair were fused and resulted from it only one chromosome.
@chris241289 Fusion happened during gamete formation. Therefore, the gamete had 24-2+1 = 23 chromosomes. This gamete, along with another gamete with 24 fertilized together. The other gamete had 24, and one of those chromosomes didn't have a partner to pair with. This chromosome was then lost during the next set of gamete replication, and is therefore lost in our species. The fused chromosome is then replicated, and present in our species.
@halo3isme1 What big words are you referring to? Looks like nothing but 8th grade biology class meterial to me, unless the 8th grade no longer teaches about DNA like they did over 35 years ago when I took it.
DID ANYONE EVER THINK THAT CREATION AND EVOLUTION CAN COEXIST??? cuz you might be surprised to find how both agree completely on the earth forming and such. instead of bashing why not open your mind a bit. test everything but dont disagree with it when some of you prolly have never even read the account in the bible. just saying. i'm pretty neutral on evolution: if it exists cool, if not that wouldn't suprise me, but it really doesnt have evidence against God.
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Have you ever read the Bible? The two are in no level of agreement whatsoever.
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How much evidence do you have against fairies? Does that mean they likely exist? Your problem is simply that there isn't ANY objective evidence FOR the existence of God and that makes him equal with fairies, Leprechauns, mermaids and gremlins.
@Beastt17 hahaha ur asking me if i read the bible? man if only you knew me! i love reading it! i'm just not closeminded. plus the bible is evidence in and of itself of God. you do realize how many people have tried to destroy that book completely dont you? yet it still manages to be printed over and over again.
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No more than the novel "Peter Pan" is evidence of Tinkerbell. Evidence simply doesn't work that way. But the claims in the Bible; in that so many are demonstrably false, do far more to discredit the claims of the book than to support any supposed existence of a supreme entity.
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Then how can you say creationism (as represented in the Bible), agrees with evolution? Show me where evolution suggests that humans arose as a fully-formed adult male, from a mound of dust mixed with God's breath. Show me where evolution allows for plants to spring in highly-evolved species, from the Earth, even before the sun existed. Are you SURE you've read the Bible?
Re: "you do realize how many people have tried to destroy that book completely dont you?"
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And I, among many others, have done so over and over. The book is veritable cornucopia of demonstrable false claims, fallacious accounts, known forgeries, contradictory accounts and plagiarized fables.
Your refusal to acknowledge that no more salvages the book than a flat-Earther's refusal to accept conclusive evidence, alters the shape and configuration of the Earth.
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So does "Mother Goose Tales". That doesn't make it true.
The Bible tells us the universe formed in 6-days, the Earth existed before the sun, was covered with water while devoid of an atmosphere, had plants growing when the sun didn't exist, and that the sun was created in Earth's atmosphere.
The really sad thing for you is that all of those claims are made within the first 17-verses of Genesis.
The book then goes on to mock its own absurdity by claiming animals were created before man (Gen 1), and then that man was created before animals (Gen 2). It then goes on to speak of witches, unicorns, zombies, dragons, giants and sea monsters and winds up telling us Jesus was born around 4BCE and then again near 6CE. It has an account of a resurrection and ascension which was added by a 2nd anonymous author, and spread to the later gospels.
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No, YOU do not understand the Bible and I'll be very happy to demonstrate that point. But first I need to know what comment of mine you were referencing. Most certainly Genesis 1 is chronological. It's inextricably attached to a 6-day chronology. As for the birth time of Jesus, sorry; it's extremely well defined through the references it makes. Be more specific. I'll show you you're wrong.
Yes you are! To be closed-minded, means to adhere strictly to one's beliefs, without regard or assessment of evidence. Yet ALL of the pertinent objective evidence (and yes, I do mean "ALL" of it), runs in strict consistency with atheism and offers no hope whatsoever to the claims of the Bible. So in refusing to note and assess that, you're demonstrating nothing but closed-mindedness.
Take a look at 1st John 5:7-8 (The Johannine Comma). That was forged by theologians, to trick Desiderius Erasmus into including it into his second edition Greek New Testament. It's a known forgery.
What about John 7:53-8:11 (Pericope Adulterae)? It doesn't appear in any Bible manuscript or commentary until the 4th century. Yet it's a story about Jesus, who died 30-33CE.
Re: "look dude your pretty uptight but thanks for chattting! "
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In other words, I've completely shattered a belief for which you hold great affection and rather than face the unpleasant reality, you'd prefer to take a cowardly and disingenuous exit. And THAT is how religion survives - people who are more interested in their personal emotional pacification than what is true and what isn't.
Evolution is science, creationism is not, therefore they cannot coexist. What you are eluding to is to remain ignorant of science and believe in something because you would like it to be true. The fact of the matter is, there is evidence to prove evolution, there is no evidence to prove creationism. Science's goal is not to disprove god, but rather to find the real answers to questions where god was once the answer. With every single discovery, god becomes smaller and smaller.
@HDaviator or perhaps i've experienced God in a way you science people love to ignore. its like saying just because there's science you can't feel emotion. science isn't based off of emotion and emotion isn't based off of science. ta-da! they coexist. so yahh the two can. and i'm not saying God is based off of emotion its just an example.
@HDaviator Except that sciece is really just boiled down to on this: An interpretation of reality in idealogical terms by observations of man. Tell me there is not a little contradiction there. Man cannot even agree on a vide taped event...some argue they saw one thing and others a different thing, what makes you think we would create definitive knowledge of anything?
Mathematics isn't a philosophical idea open to interpretation. That is the difference between science and religion. You seem to think that we are incapable of knowing anything. If that is the case, why bother believing in anything? the truth is, there are many things we know definitively. If we didn't, we wouldn't have doctors for example, and nobody would dare go up in an airplane because we wouldn't know if the airplane would stay in the air, to name a few.
@HDaviator Mathematics in thie universe will never be absolute. Sounds like you need to learn a little more 'science' to figure that out for yourself.
As for doctors, we had them long before medical school. They used trial and error and became as effective as current doctors. In fact most medicinal advances came from study of 'known cures' and 'shamen cures'. Science did not make gunpowder, no one calculated compounds by the mole back then. That came much later.
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Excuse me? I'm going to love watching you try to support that claim - that doctors before medical school were just as effective as doctors now. That's a purely insane claim. What do you know about medicine? Anything?
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Uhm... someone needs to hush for a moment and go find out what the word "science" means. What do you think science is? Why would you think it requires calculating compounds by the mole?
@HDaviator Mathematics boils down to the validation of assumption at it's core level, Assumptions of science are invalidated almost every generation. Mathematics will be revised to make new assumptions seem valid. So far, one new theory will replace an older theory and all the math will be redone to validate it. It happens over and over. No scientific theory has been proven in reality beyond the level of 'ideal' assumption. All scientist know that 'ideal' cannot exist in reality.
@BBAHUNTER Aren't newer and better theories replacing older theories a result of better knowledge from experimentation?
"As for doctors, we had them long before medical school. They used trial and error and became as effective as current doctors"
It is inaccurate to say that doctors before medical school were as effective as current doctors. Consider the risk or something simple like mortality of the mother during childbirth.
@sk8bordluvr084 Yeah, no. Evolutionists would mostly agree that the earth formed of a cloud of celestial gas and particulate matter that coalesced into a spinning ball as gravity drew the particles into themselves.
Creationists think a celestial dictator shat out the earth in six days and then rested, even though he's all powerful?
Also, test everything once? We test everything we can, we can't test the ideas of god and creationism because they're lies. It'd be like blood testing a unicorn.
@sk8bordluvr084 Yes, I do agree. Besides...The bible did equate 7 days for god being equivalent to billions of years for mankinds time scale if God blinked as many times a day as a man does. (Psalms 90)
The people here mostly confuse religion with any belief in God. These are two separate things, you do not need to associate to any current religious view to believe in an all powerful force that is responsible for everything we know or can see. (Including scientific study)
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But any belief in that which is purely without supporting objective evidence is a practice of pure irrationality and emotionalism. And scientific study IS NOT an "all powerful force". It's simply a methodology and is nothing like religion or theism.
@BBAHUNTER Religion is literally the answer for idiots who are too lazy to truly seek answers and unable to admit they don't know. I can openly say that I don't know how the Universe started into being, but a magical sky-daddy sure as hell isn't a logical answer. You say that everything needs a cause, and that God is the cause of the Universe. Then what created God? If God could have always existed, as most Theists say, then why can't that logic apply to the Universe?
@DrFugue Yes and no. The reality is science will never answer that question. I can say that experiencing things that cannot happen according to science definitely sways ones opinion.
In Daniels vision (Ch 7) he saw 4 beasts which were king(s)doms - the same kingdoms as in Ch. 2. Ten horns - breakup of Roman Empire, now Europe. A little horn arises - Papal Rome which plucked up three horns, overthrown & destroyed (Heruli, the Vandals, Ostrogoths) The same horn made war with the saints until the Ancient of Days came and the saints will live peacefully forever with Christ in His new kingdom. This could happen very soon. The stage is set.
@DrFugue It is arrogant of atheists to claim that evolution explains the origin of life. Sir Fred Hoyle, of Cambridge University stated that statistically the chances of one cell evolving was the same as a tornado passing through a junkyard and giving you a fully functional Boeing 747.
@peggyofthecove 1/Evolution and science are not exclusive to atheism
2/ Evolution is debated within christianity
3/ Many aspects of evolution are still a research issue
4/ Science now knows that many of the pillars of Darwinian theory are either false or misleading. Yet biology texts continue to present them as factual evidence of evolution. What does this imply about their scientific standards?
@Thechristiancullen That statistic is of utterly no use. Hoyle is a professor in Astronomy and Mathematics, explain to me how he would know ANYTHING about evolution beyond a rudimentary understanding?
@DrFugue Research OWNED! Good job, I always feel good when I see the ignorant get punked! That's why I watch Christopher Hitchens videos (may not-there rest his nonexistant soul).
@DrFugue How can you convince anyone that YOU know anything about it either? If you answer because you studied, maybe you should give another professor the same credit. Astronomy encapsulates biology on a macro scale. If you wanted to present your self as a scientist who bases belief on fact, maybe you should find out firsthand: You should personally ask Hoyle how he would know anything about biology.
@BBAHUNTER Evolution is a far more complex topic then 500 characters allows - that is whty most scientists still acknowledge that many areas are still a research issue.
Evolution like calvinsim and predestination are debated within christianity - they are not issues of salvation - it is only atheists who seem to make it a God v science debate.
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Please don't talk about things you don't know anything about. Einstein was NEVER an atheist. He was also never a Christian or the believer in ANY kind of personal God. He said he thought the Bible was "Childish". I would agree. Einstein believed in a non-personal God very much like Spinoza's god.
Einstein spent a lot of time and effort trying to correct people like you concerning his beliefs.
LerkurlianTamer: God revealed through Daniel the future empires in Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Gold head/Babylon Silver arms-chest/Medes & Persians Brass belly & thighs/Greece Iron legs/ Rome Iron & Clay feet/ten kingdoms after breakup of Rome Rock/Jesus' Everlasting Kingdom will be set up soon. History proves it. Now study the four beasts, ten horns & little horn in Daniel 8. Fascinating what is there. Will reply in day or two.
Satan wants you to give up on God. Remember the Scapegoat at the Day of Atonement, at the yearly cleansing of the sanctuary. The earthly Sanctuary represents the heavenly. Jesus/Lamb, Satan/Scapegoat. Satan pays for his own sins + every sin of the righteous. Every sinner who rejects Christ pays for his own. Satan wants you lost... less suffering & he hates God. Give you heart to Jesus and be saved. Study & you will find it true. Jesus loves & died for you. Accept His sacrifice & be free.
@peggyofthecove For us to consider any of that, you must demonstrate that The Bible and the rest of that stuff is true. Otherwise, there is no reason whatsoever to listen to you.
@peggyofthecove No thanks, I prefer eating babies and having homosexual intercourse on the street all the while singing the satanic version of kumbaya.
Daniel & Revelation have symbols. After carefully studying, you will understand what is going to happen. We are living in the earth's last days. Some day the Pope will join forces with Apostate Protestants; enforce Sunday worship. Satan will impersonate Christ's second coming; perform miracles and claim to have changed the Sabbath from Sat. to Sun. Wars, earthquakes, pestilences, famines etc will follow. Could happen in our lifetime. Great or fearful news depending on which side you're on.
God will destroy evil and it will not rise the second time. All who accept Jesus as their Savior will be saved. Those who reject His sacrifice will be destroyed with Satan and his evil angels in the lake of fire. After the flames stop, Jesus will recreate this earth as it was in the beginning and we will live in peace and harmony with God and the rest of the unfallen worlds in the universe. If you live up to all the light you know, God accepts you.
God choose a people to show and tell the world His plan to rescue sinners from the penalty of death. They (the desert people) blew it as a nation, but He has always had those to preserve the message. We both agree it isn't a small city in the Mediterranean. God's remnant people will keep all the Commandments and have the Testimony of Jesus which is the Spirit of Prophecy. If you are truly seeking the truth, God will lead you to it. You will never be sorry but forever grateful.
@peggyofthecove What sort of reasoning is this? How many religions are there that are mutually exclusive? hundreds. Islam, Judaism, Christianity, etc all have the EXACT same proof (or lack thereof) of their god's existence. If I pick christianity, the muslims may have been right, and I go to hell. Same with islam, and jesus may send me to hell. What sort of rational god would present all these possible religions and expect us to guess which one is right?
@peggyofthecove And do not pull that bullshit about Islam and other religions being "false" gods. That is just plain arrogance. You cannot prove that the islamic god doesn't exist, nor that muhammad wasn't his prophet. You cannot disprove the existence of Zeus or Krishna, so there is no way you can rationally and justly say that others are "false" religions compared to your joojoo man.
@DrFugue Reading the debate between you and miss peggyofthecove is what I would imagine Einstein explaining reletivity to a kindergartener would look like.Now before you get all flattered,I'm simply saying I honestly think she literally lacks the mental capacity to comprehend those subjects even many of the words you use based on her responses.Which are nothing but regurgitated sentences and phrases from the bible or the christian fundamental community.
@Alphaomega150 I take no pride in that at all. I don't think I'm that intelligent, but this is simple and basic biology. I guess you may be right that sometimes people are just too stupid to understand something... I'm just fearful for our future generations if this is the sort of imbecility that they grow up hearing. I'm glad that evolution is taught in schools now, and that children can finally understand the origin of species through boundless evidence of natural selection.
Dear Dr. Fugue: True Christians love, follow the Ten Commandments and do not kill. Again, if you studied Daniel and Revelation you would see how Lucifer (a free to choose creation) rebelled and God's plan to save us from destruction. The wages of sin is death. Jesus choose to die, rose and will come again. Soon. It's all in the Scriptures. If we are continually evolving to the better, why do some here call names and show anger toward Creationists? I respect your opinions even if I don't agree.
@peggyofthecove Congratulations, you are opinion number 1534051 on what "true Christians" are. You have presented what is called a "No true scotsman" logical fallacy. What do you mean "study" Daniel and Revelation? It's not a textbook, and it isn't true. I was once a believing Christian until I realized how stupid and remarkably idiotic it all is.
@peggyofthecove Also, why do I call names and show anger? I'm not angry at the people, I'm angry at the though process they represent. Creationists represent an unquestioning, blind, and idiotic faith that is the basis for all evil on planet earth. They represent the type of people who if told that God wanted their children to be killed, they would do it with no question. Again, this is the faith that leads normal men to strap bombs to their chest, to fly planes into towers, etc.
To believe in GOD and JESUS you must love LORD GOD with all thy heart and with all thy soul and thy mind!,and love thy neighbour as thyself.! JESUS said love your enemies,bless them that curse you and do good to them that hate you and pray for them which despitefully use you and perscute you! Keep the ten commandments. Forgive and ye will be forgiven and be perfect as the FATHER IS PERFECT ! a tree is known by its fruit! SO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS THE FATHER AND JESUS HAS LOVED US !
spencemace: God is the greatest scientist of all... He created the universe. I don't have enough faith to believe a big bang created a universe 52 billion light years wide and that we evolved. Nor do I understand how God spoke it into existence. I just believe. I believe in Jesus too. If Jesus isn't real, why are we in the year 2012? I don't think evolutionists are crazy. There's a lot of sense in evolution, it's a mastermind to discredit God and creation. Guess who is behind it!
@peggyofthecove Humans have been around for 100,000 years, maybe more. for 98,000 years, we apparently wallowed in filth, evil, death, misery, etc. Then, all of a sudden, 2000 years ago, God says "That's enough of that", so he sends a HUMAN SACRIFICE (that's what it is you numbnut), to the DESERT. Not in educated China where people can write, and effectively document events, but to an illiterate desert tribe. Are you actually serious? You have the imagination to believe this?
@peggyofthecove So, of all the billions of galaxies and parsecs of matter in the Universe, God only cares about the preservation of one small city in the Mediterranean as his chilling spot? what the actual fuck?
"I don't know, I just believe"- That is the type of stone age unquestioning faith that leads normal men to strap bombs to their chest. That is the type of brainless belief that causes Crusades to happen. "My invisible man is better than yours", why? because "I just believe". What you're saying is that you don't know how the Universe came into being, which I don't either. And it's okay to leave it at that. There's no need to invent a "God" to make you feel better
I dont have an issue with evolution, and yes humans evolve, but spencemace are you retarded "demons" WTF is wrong with you, I grow tired to continue with the god, angles, demons bullshit, get your deluded arse into a clinic why Im even wasting this time to do this, all of you.IF YOU ARE DELUDED IN GOD,ANGLES,DEMONS ETC,just off your selves now and save us all some sanity,deny all the actual facts you want, the issue is we live on a planet controlled by a force that we cant see, and its wrong.
Hi Beandude202: Thanks for your comment. My reasoning wasn't clear. I don't believe God fused chromosomes, but created us in His image with 26; monkeys 28. This theory means male and female would have had to fuse chromosomes within their lifespan and mate. Takes a lot more faith to believe that than creation. Sorry your faith has been broken. What happened?
@peggyofthecove First, we have 23 pairs, so your ignorance on this subject is already apparent. Secondly, No, male and female did not fuse chromosomes in their lifespan, again ignorance. What most likely happened is that when going through meiosis, a gamete produced by the parent did not properly complete anaphase/metaphase. This meant that the chromosomes in the tetrads stuck together and fused. This fused chromosome then was passed on from generation to generation.
@peggyofthecove And what is this "his image" bullshit? Are you saying that an omnipotent, omniscient creator has 23 chromosomes? Also, take some Epicurus:
"Evil exists. Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. If God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world? "
Check out my video about debunking religion. I give some examples of science proving religion false and ridiculous, it's a quick 9 minute video.....type in "Verbal Truth". Help spread the truth!!
Why do evolutionists waist their time trying to convince Creationists they're wrong? Of course their is similar characteristics in creation. God is the Master Designer. This video assumes these chromosomes fused. Who was there to prove it? He said they MUST have fused. Not so. God could have easily done it. Evolutionists, spend as much time prayerfully studying the Bible, especially Daniel and Revelation, as you do evolution, and you'll become Creationists.
Because they are wrong. You're assuming that your Bible is true. You're assuming that God actually exists. I've studied the Bible. I was a Bible-believing Christian for many, many years. But then I came to realize the foolishness in Christianity.
You say God could have fused the chromosomes, but why? Why would he fool us in such a way? Your God sounds very deceptive.
@peggyofthecove god isn't science, and everything the man in the video said is true. the problem is not a lack of evidence, it is your lack of understanding on the subject. and when i say your i mean all creationists, because you all think that the evolutionists are crazy, but in reality you're just not smart enough to comprehend something as simple as base genome fusion.
@peggyofthecove Again, nobody "Studies" the bible, just like nobody "studies" the lord of the rings. They must have fused because if you had a rudimentary understanding of genetics, the telomeres and centromeres of Chromosome 2 indicate the fusing of 2 separate chromosomes. This is published as scientifically accurate, to the 95% confidence level. If you want to, again, take the 5% chance a magic man did it all, be my ignorant guest
gingsengsamurai: Thanks for your comments. I have no need to take up world religion. Jesus saved me. He said "I am the way,the truth,and the life; no man cometh unto the father,but by me. That's good enough for me. As I've said before seek and you will find.
@TheEdduff: No, Jesus didn't say anything to you. You read that in a book and then when you went to bed at night, you thought about it and your own voice in your head told you what you read. EVERY SINGLE GOD in EVERY SINGLE culture in EVERY SINGLE era says they are the one true god in one form or another. Your Christian god is no different. Just because YOU think your god is the only god, I CAN GUARANTEE you that it billions of others say you're wrong.
@TheEdduff: and as I said: "seek and you will find" peace in OTHER RELIGIONS TOO. I can guarantee it. However, I won't be surprised if you won't find peace now because you're too entrenched in that Christian fairy tale of yours. Remember YOU are no one special, yet your god saved you? What about the millions of other Rwandans that were raped and mass murdered? What about the victims of the WTC (9/11)? So they were trivial, but you're special? Come on, get real.
gingsengsamurai; I have nothing against science-I'm against evolution poison. I can assure you that christians never lived in darkness even in the dark ages; because Jesus is the light of the world.He can be your light if you seek him with all your heart.
@TheEdduff Have you READ that disastrous piece of nonfiction you hold in such high regard??? Have you given a moment's thought to the INACCURACIES, INCONSISTENCIES, and BLATANT CONTRADICTIONS in it's pages? Jesus was nothing more than a cult leader who was made a household name because Roman Emperor Constantine adopted christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire. That's it and that's all.. If David Koresh had been born 2000 years sooner you would probably be worshipping him instead
@keasy84: It's hard not to argue with the blindly religious against their psychological delusions, but with that said, it is very difficult to knock reason and sense into their psychologically brainwashed minds.
@ginsengsamurai This is a sad, true state of affairs. What really confuses me is how so many people, scholars, educators, who are otherwise relatively intelligent, still devote unwaivering allegiance to these ancient cults. It is disturbing really
@TheEdduff: And Buddha, Vishnu, as well as thousands of other gods can also bring you that light - I assure you, they can. You just have to adhere to it and be conditioned into as you have with Christianity. It was only by the sheerest of luck that you adhere to your faith. That is all. I suggest you take up World Religion, put down your holy books and traverse the world and seek out different cultures and faiths. That might give you a better perspective on life.
@TheEdduf: yeah, that learning and knowledge stuff is hard! Besides, Jesus said you don't need any of it! John 10:7 "Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep."
The video's all gobbledygook to me. Thank God for Jesus sayin "Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the Kingdom of heaven. Pity the poor kids that have to listen to evolutionary nonsense, from teachers who think they are smart. In reality they are doing the devil's work,and they'll pay for it.
@TheEdduff: Yeah I didn't think you would understand basic mathematics or anything scientific. Remember: if it wasn't for science, you would still be living in the dark ages. Even if your mind is stuck in the ancient times, at the very least you have the option to take medicine, go to the hospital for treatment, use the computer to watch YouTube. <--- all products of science. Just because you can't grasp it, it doesn't mean it's not real.
monkeys have baby monkeys and they always will and if evolution was true monkeys should talk, but they don't and one day you will die and at judgment day what are you going to say to GOD AND LORD JESUS ! i know for a fact GOD AND JESUS ARE REAL and i ask why don't other people see what i see and know, i was told, some are sheep and some are wolfs, there are GOD'S children and there are satan's children !... PEOPLE READ PSALMS ;2 and ISAIAH; 24 learn the truth. i will pray for you !
@1611kjvbibleone: And you should read Buddhist scriptures. In other words, Jesus is as real as the other thousands of gods throughout the thousands of years across billions of people and through hundreds of wars, across tens of thousands of battles... The only reason why the Christian voice exists inside your head is because you want it to exist and therefore because you want it to exist, it exists. It doesn't exist in me, nor does it exist for the other 65% of the world.
@1611kjvbibleone: In your circular logic, God exists because the bible says it exists. The bible is absolutely truthful because God says it's truthful. Therefore God and the bible are truthful.
Seriously, put down that silly book and go outside. Your extreme paranoia is a form of psychological abuse. I hope you don't have any children.
The problem with this video is that Creationists will not understand a thing he is saying. Creationists look at those diagrams and drawings the same way we look at the bible - we think the bible is full of crap and stuff that is made up and/or exaggerated. Bible thumpers most likely look at science the same way. So it's hard pressed to try to get true education into the brains of Creationists. That's why they surrender themselves to "I don't know. God did it." <- Brain dead banter.
oh hear we go again, when did I say the Annunaki exist NOW?? When? I dont know that, I believe they were around a long long time ago and interfered with Earth.
I love how you idiots only respond to key words then fill in with your own ignorant views, once again I have to educate those whom think there above everyone else. I do believe in evolution, take whales for example, the went from the oceans to land then back again, what I dont believe in is the evolution of humans, get it right moron before you tryto shoot me down.
@Thumper396396 my response to what you said is accurate. you think that humans are beings to which evolution doesn't apply. I'm saying: that's retarded. any being with cells can evolve, it just takes patience. the reason why there is variation is not due to demons, it is due to genetic code. it's not a hard concept to grasp.
46, it's because our last 2 which would bring it to 48 were fused together, which is not natural. The Annunaki created us through DNA manipulation, we did not evolve from apes, chimps etc, theres no missing link because we skipped that and lept forward in evolution to become human, also the differant races of humans on Earth are all from thier own line of race as they visited Earth along time ago and left thier seed, prove me wrong, and FFS leave any god reference out of this, he/she dont exist
@Thumper396396 the annunaki do not exist, you sound just as dumb as a creationist. the fusing of chomosomes is a perfectly natural mutation and one of the many ways new species arise from old ones. the reason there are a veriety of races is due to the variety of proteins that make up our body's development. you see, skin color, like many attributes of a human being, is determined by these things called bases. there are four kinds of bases, A T G and C. these bases are found in the middle of ever
@Thumper396396 y strand of DNA. these bases, when grouped in three's, can be transcribed into 64 different signals (aat, agg, agc, att, aaa, ttt, etc.) that give every cell in your body the ability to determine the order and placement of around 21 different kinds of proteins. protein makes up your body and mind, it is everything you are, and a strand of dna can chose from literally thousands of skin colors due to the way your dna from your parents is written. i am not a teacher or something like
@spencemace: Right now, I am arguing with three Christians who think they have been 'saved' by angels. Right now I am asking them what makes their individual lives so special that they were saved by angels, but millions of other people were left to be raped, murdered and tortured. In other words, it seems like their comfortable westernized lives are special, yet millions of others were trivial.
It's tiring to try to knock sense into their little brains. I think impossible.
@ginsengsamurai i agree that is a difficult task, but why is it that you're telling me this? is it because you want me to help or are you just stating that you're in an argument like mine. anyways, my advice is to stop trying to convince them. anyone who believes in angels or demons or annunaki isn't actually looking for an answer they're just spouting thier own nonsense so that they are confronted by someone with a different perspective so that they can shoot it down and feel strongly about
@spencemace: I think the reason I told you is more rhetorical than anything. Kind of like me giving up a big sigh while you're standing nearby and I walk up to you saying: "You too?" But you're right, of all the places I've debated in, countless threads on countless forums and videos, I have only convinced TWO people out of hundreds that their religion is utterly ridiculous. It's a scary thought nevertheless how many brain-dead and brain washed people there are. Good luck to you. ^_^
@ginsengsamurai I assumed that much. thank you for the good luck! it's always nice to meet a fellower traveller like yourself. a brief respite from the arguing never hurt anyone :)
@ginsengsamurai about thier idiotic beliefs. the people you're arguing with are idiots. they will always be idiots, and the only thing you'll get out of arguing with them is frustration. i hope my response was what you desired.
@Thumper396396 that, just a simple high school student who wishes to study evolutionary biology because I'm damn good at it. ask me if you didn't understand anything, but if i get a stupid response then I'm simply going to reply "stay in school." because that's really the only way I'd expect someone who believes in "annunaki" but not evolution could ever come close to understanding this. have a good life.
@parasitesarefunny If macro evolution fails the basic scientific method, then why is the consensus almost 100% in macro evolution's favor amongst scientists? The only scientists who do not believe in macro evolution are fringe elements who ignore evidence such as the fossil record. I find it quite humorous you call a eminent molecular biologist an idiot. I would love to see your published essays on this subject ... oh wait, that's right.
Please thumbs up the below comment so all may research and learn the facts for themselves!
landonggg 1 day ago
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Theory - the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another. Evolution has proven laws that correspond in nature, and evolution is a fact. If you doubt this please, please before you hate me research the following facts. Synthetic cells, proving there is a mathematical order to cellular creation. Chromosome #2, the fused primate cell that evolves humans. And lastly the "missing link" Homo habilis. Irrefutable evidence that evolution is a fact, what you do with that is your choice.
landonggg 1 day ago
Who is this and where can I find the rest of the lecture? Thanks!
JudoMD86 1 day ago
Even if god does exist, why is [he] allowing us to come to such fiery debate over his very existence? Wouldn't he just come down out of the sky and yell "My children, quit your jabbering!" Why can't an omnipotent god prove his own existence to so many of his children [i.e. atheists]?
DemstarAus 2 days ago
I am not the best mathematician in the world but how could 48 choromosomes become 46 by the fusion of 2 chromosomes? If 2 chromosomes out of 48 would fuse and become one then there will remain 47 chromosomes, not 46. Right? So how come this guy thinks that this is possible when it's mathematically impossible. LOL. There will be needed 3 chromosomes fused to get 46 out of 48 not 2. Or that ancestor must have got 47 chromosomes, not 48. So who's the retard here?
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@chris241289 Elementary biology. There were 24 pairs of chromosomes, not 48 separate ones. Somewhere along the way, the 24 that our ape & chimp cousins have became 23 through the fusion of two chromosomes. Pairs of 23 makes 46. This mutation allowed our common ancestor to better survive in their environment, & the 23-paired individual proliferated, slowly evolving into the first hominids like us. Much more interesting story than the one the bible tells, no?
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@chris241289
"So who's the retard here?"
Thats easy and as usual its the cretard asking the stupid questions (THATS YOU) since you are too stupid to understand a simple explination its no wonder you are a creatard.
Try watching the video again and lustening very carefull and try to understand. If its still beyond your intelligence to understand theres no point me trying to explain to you.
gorilla199uncensored 3 days ago
"how to shut up creationists." Yea.....well i was kinda looking for something a bit more concise. But thanks anyway.
stickiwee 4 days ago
In fact, if we proved beyond a doubt that we didn't share a common ancestor with the chimpanzee, it still wouldn't mean much at all to the theory of evolution. It's a slight nudge. All it would prove is that we would have had to come from somewhere else. How "homocentrist" is it to assume that the entire theory rests on that we know where WE came from?...I thought that statement was rather quick, and it hasn't been said by anyone who's serious. Other than that, good video.
damillionmalania 1 week ago
@damillionmalania if it proves that humans come from apes then that's sufficient evidence to completely disregard creationism as a whole, as it directly contradicts it.
todoz11 1 week ago
@todoz11 Yes, but that wasn't the point, was it? All I said is that the theory of evolution would still be very much intact even if we didn't have proof that humans shared a common ancestor with the chimpanzee...because there are millions of other similar links in nature to point to for which we DO have proof, and even if humanity didn't come from this common ancestor we would have to ask ourselves from which other animal we evolved, not conclude that "godditit".
damillionmalania 1 week ago
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damillionmalania 1 week ago
God is real, and I will be praying for all of you.
DirtySalmonFilms 1 week ago
@DirtySalmonFilms save your time, and do some good in the world.
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God is as real as Leprechauns, fairies, mermaids and the rest of the completely unevidenced myths. Waste your time any way you like. It's still a waste of time.
Beastt17 1 week ago
You are making a mistake. You can not argue with a religious person. Religion is a mental illness. The religious deal with anxiety by believing in a giant all powerful father in the sky who protects them. They obsess over behaviors like having to wear special hats, or say certain words in order to appease this ever-watchful disciplinarian. That is simply a cross between OCD, delusion and paranoia. Try defining delusion, and then try to distinguish between that and the belief in God.
zazen108 2 weeks ago
As soon as evolutionist can produce life they will have a point. The truth is they cannot. They can manipulate life that is already there, but they cannot take an inanimate conglomeration of matter and give it life. The rest is just the mechanics of physics.
If you do not follow...and think cloning is the same as creating life, just realize that they started with something already containing life. Scientist cannot find a beginning and every one of them realizes they are missing that one point.
BBAHUNTER 2 weeks ago
@BBAHUNTER search "Martin Hanczyc: The line between life and not-life" it's a TED talk, very interesting. It's not the creation of life as you ask, but is very very close, is just a matter of time I think. Hope you enjoy it :D
nachoijp 2 weeks ago
@nachoijp Thanks for that link.
BBAHUNTER 2 weeks ago
@BBAHUNTER,
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Are you alive? Task completed! More seriously though, why don't you require any evidence from creationism, yet as evolution to "prove" something it doesn't even argue. Evolution is NOT abiogenesis. Evolution is about the diversity of species, not the emergence of life. How do you expect to argue against things you don't even understand?
Beastt17 2 weeks ago
@BBAHUNTER,
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So? 200-years ago we couldn't show you the microbes that cause disease either. Does that mean evil spirits were doing it? You seem to be forgetting that creationism has ZERO evidence to support it. Evolution is fully supported by evidence. That means you're in no position to challenge.
For what it's worth, non-living bits have been nudged into creating a replicating molecule which evolves.
Beastt17 2 weeks ago
@Beastt17 the person that said that is wrong, "life"; of the single celled nature, has been made in labs with base chemicals commen in the universe. if a quick search online doesn't turn it up, msg me. i'm slow, but willing to help. it's not like the greek philosopher trying to make flies by rotting meat in a closed jar. it's understood a touch better now. (1500 to 2500 years will do that for science.) (i give him credit for a good attemp at the time though.)
GreaseStain 1 week ago
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The person who said what, is wrong? That man hasn't yet created life from non-biological components? If that's what you mean then I challenge you to present the research. We've created a replicating molecule, but not life. We've engineered the genetic strand to insert into a single-celled organism to completely restructure the organism. But we haven't yet succeeded in true abiogenesis. It's just a matter of time till we do.
Beastt17 1 week ago
@Beastt17 ok, your gonna have to give me a few day's. i'm on a road trip to a bike show this weekend... if i'm wrong i'll happily let you know, but i'm sure i've read of at least one maybe 3 published studies. in anycase, if i am wrong, i'll say in advance, yeah, it's only a matter of time. as it's 3 am here and i need to be up at 6. i'm out. like i said i'm slow, but i'll find it if its there.
GreaseStain 1 week ago
i'll msg it to yeah, damn youtube wont let me post it..
GreaseStain 1 week ago
@GreaseStain No, it has not, you are mistaken.
BBAHUNTER 1 week ago
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You atheists are the most pitiable people on earth.
MrLJblood 2 weeks ago
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fletchernibiru 3 weeks ago
So if we had 24 pairs of chromosomes and one of the pairs fuse to make just 1. Does that not mean we have 23 pairs of normal chromosomes and 1 new fused chromosome? I'm confused someone answer lol
Ferret9T2 3 weeks ago in playlist clever
@Ferret9T2 it means wed have 23 chromosones including the fused one, 24-2 = 22 those to join to make 1. 22+1 =23
DayTripperEqualsHomo 3 weeks ago
@Ferret9T2 24 to start. lose 2. left with 22. those two that were lost merged. add one. 23 chromosomes in the end.
Yressa 2 weeks ago 2
@Yressa You say that 2 pairs of chromosomes became one pair? You mean 4 chromosomes became 2 chromosomes by fusion? This guy here states that 2 chromosomes which means a pair were fused and resulted from it only one chromosome.
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Yressa 2 days ago
@chris241289 Fusion happened during gamete formation. Therefore, the gamete had 24-2+1 = 23 chromosomes. This gamete, along with another gamete with 24 fertilized together. The other gamete had 24, and one of those chromosomes didn't have a partner to pair with. This chromosome was then lost during the next set of gamete replication, and is therefore lost in our species. The fused chromosome is then replicated, and present in our species.
Yressa 2 days ago
9 people saw someone that actually tests things and goes by facts
blindedby2monkeys 3 weeks ago
how is any creationist supposed to understand all those big words?
halo3isme1 3 weeks ago
@halo3isme1 What big words are you referring to? Looks like nothing but 8th grade biology class meterial to me, unless the 8th grade no longer teaches about DNA like they did over 35 years ago when I took it.
BBAHUNTER 2 weeks ago
@BBAHUNTER 8th grade=did not pay attention
halo3isme1 2 weeks ago
DID ANYONE EVER THINK THAT CREATION AND EVOLUTION CAN COEXIST??? cuz you might be surprised to find how both agree completely on the earth forming and such. instead of bashing why not open your mind a bit. test everything but dont disagree with it when some of you prolly have never even read the account in the bible. just saying. i'm pretty neutral on evolution: if it exists cool, if not that wouldn't suprise me, but it really doesnt have evidence against God.
sk8bordluvr084 3 weeks ago
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Have you ever read the Bible? The two are in no level of agreement whatsoever.
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How much evidence do you have against fairies? Does that mean they likely exist? Your problem is simply that there isn't ANY objective evidence FOR the existence of God and that makes him equal with fairies, Leprechauns, mermaids and gremlins.
Beastt17 3 weeks ago
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sk8bordluvr084 3 weeks ago
@Beastt17 hahaha ur asking me if i read the bible? man if only you knew me! i love reading it! i'm just not closeminded. plus the bible is evidence in and of itself of God. you do realize how many people have tried to destroy that book completely dont you? yet it still manages to be printed over and over again.
sk8bordluvr084 3 weeks ago
@sk8bordluvr084,
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No more than the novel "Peter Pan" is evidence of Tinkerbell. Evidence simply doesn't work that way. But the claims in the Bible; in that so many are demonstrably false, do far more to discredit the claims of the book than to support any supposed existence of a supreme entity.
Beastt17 3 weeks ago
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Then how can you say creationism (as represented in the Bible), agrees with evolution? Show me where evolution suggests that humans arose as a fully-formed adult male, from a mound of dust mixed with God's breath. Show me where evolution allows for plants to spring in highly-evolved species, from the Earth, even before the sun existed. Are you SURE you've read the Bible?
Beastt17 3 weeks ago
@sk8bordluvr084,
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And I, among many others, have done so over and over. The book is veritable cornucopia of demonstrable false claims, fallacious accounts, known forgeries, contradictory accounts and plagiarized fables.
Your refusal to acknowledge that no more salvages the book than a flat-Earther's refusal to accept conclusive evidence, alters the shape and configuration of the Earth.
Beastt17 3 weeks ago
@sk8bordluvr084,
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So does "Mother Goose Tales". That doesn't make it true.
The Bible tells us the universe formed in 6-days, the Earth existed before the sun, was covered with water while devoid of an atmosphere, had plants growing when the sun didn't exist, and that the sun was created in Earth's atmosphere.
The really sad thing for you is that all of those claims are made within the first 17-verses of Genesis.
Beastt17 3 weeks ago
@sk8bordluvr084,
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The Bible (cont.)
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The book then goes on to mock its own absurdity by claiming animals were created before man (Gen 1), and then that man was created before animals (Gen 2). It then goes on to speak of witches, unicorns, zombies, dragons, giants and sea monsters and winds up telling us Jesus was born around 4BCE and then again near 6CE. It has an account of a resurrection and ascension which was added by a 2nd anonymous author, and spread to the later gospels.
Beastt17 3 weeks ago
@Beastt17 You do not understand the nature of the Bible...it is not chronological.
BBAHUNTER 2 weeks ago
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No, YOU do not understand the Bible and I'll be very happy to demonstrate that point. But first I need to know what comment of mine you were referencing. Most certainly Genesis 1 is chronological. It's inextricably attached to a 6-day chronology. As for the birth time of Jesus, sorry; it's extremely well defined through the references it makes. Be more specific. I'll show you you're wrong.
Beastt17 2 weeks ago
@sk8bordluvr084,
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Yes you are! To be closed-minded, means to adhere strictly to one's beliefs, without regard or assessment of evidence. Yet ALL of the pertinent objective evidence (and yes, I do mean "ALL" of it), runs in strict consistency with atheism and offers no hope whatsoever to the claims of the Bible. So in refusing to note and assess that, you're demonstrating nothing but closed-mindedness.
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@sk8bordluvr084,
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The Bible - A book of mere myth.
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Take a look at 1st John 5:7-8 (The Johannine Comma). That was forged by theologians, to trick Desiderius Erasmus into including it into his second edition Greek New Testament. It's a known forgery.
What about John 7:53-8:11 (Pericope Adulterae)? It doesn't appear in any Bible manuscript or commentary until the 4th century. Yet it's a story about Jesus, who died 30-33CE.
Mark 16:9-20? Forged by a second unknown author.
Beastt17 3 weeks ago
@Beastt17 look dude your pretty uptight but thanks for chattting! =)
sk8bordluvr084 3 weeks ago
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In other words, I've completely shattered a belief for which you hold great affection and rather than face the unpleasant reality, you'd prefer to take a cowardly and disingenuous exit. And THAT is how religion survives - people who are more interested in their personal emotional pacification than what is true and what isn't.
Take some time. Think about it.
Beastt17 3 weeks ago
@sk8bordluvr084
Evolution is science, creationism is not, therefore they cannot coexist. What you are eluding to is to remain ignorant of science and believe in something because you would like it to be true. The fact of the matter is, there is evidence to prove evolution, there is no evidence to prove creationism. Science's goal is not to disprove god, but rather to find the real answers to questions where god was once the answer. With every single discovery, god becomes smaller and smaller.
HDaviator 3 weeks ago
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@HDaviator or perhaps i've experienced God in a way you science people love to ignore. its like saying just because there's science you can't feel emotion. science isn't based off of emotion and emotion isn't based off of science. ta-da! they coexist. so yahh the two can. and i'm not saying God is based off of emotion its just an example.
sk8bordluvr084 3 weeks ago
@HDaviator Except that sciece is really just boiled down to on this: An interpretation of reality in idealogical terms by observations of man. Tell me there is not a little contradiction there. Man cannot even agree on a vide taped event...some argue they saw one thing and others a different thing, what makes you think we would create definitive knowledge of anything?
BBAHUNTER 2 weeks ago
@BBAHUNTER
Mathematics isn't a philosophical idea open to interpretation. That is the difference between science and religion. You seem to think that we are incapable of knowing anything. If that is the case, why bother believing in anything? the truth is, there are many things we know definitively. If we didn't, we wouldn't have doctors for example, and nobody would dare go up in an airplane because we wouldn't know if the airplane would stay in the air, to name a few.
HDaviator 2 weeks ago
@HDaviator Mathematics in thie universe will never be absolute. Sounds like you need to learn a little more 'science' to figure that out for yourself.
As for doctors, we had them long before medical school. They used trial and error and became as effective as current doctors. In fact most medicinal advances came from study of 'known cures' and 'shamen cures'. Science did not make gunpowder, no one calculated compounds by the mole back then. That came much later.
BBAHUNTER 2 weeks ago
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Excuse me? I'm going to love watching you try to support that claim - that doctors before medical school were just as effective as doctors now. That's a purely insane claim. What do you know about medicine? Anything?
Beastt17 2 weeks ago
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Uhm... someone needs to hush for a moment and go find out what the word "science" means. What do you think science is? Why would you think it requires calculating compounds by the mole?
Beastt17 2 weeks ago
@HDaviator Mathematics boils down to the validation of assumption at it's core level, Assumptions of science are invalidated almost every generation. Mathematics will be revised to make new assumptions seem valid. So far, one new theory will replace an older theory and all the math will be redone to validate it. It happens over and over. No scientific theory has been proven in reality beyond the level of 'ideal' assumption. All scientist know that 'ideal' cannot exist in reality.
BBAHUNTER 2 weeks ago
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@BBAHUNTER Aren't newer and better theories replacing older theories a result of better knowledge from experimentation?
"As for doctors, we had them long before medical school. They used trial and error and became as effective as current doctors"
It is inaccurate to say that doctors before medical school were as effective as current doctors. Consider the risk or something simple like mortality of the mother during childbirth.
intolerance100 2 weeks ago
@sk8bordluvr084 Yeah, no. Evolutionists would mostly agree that the earth formed of a cloud of celestial gas and particulate matter that coalesced into a spinning ball as gravity drew the particles into themselves.
Creationists think a celestial dictator shat out the earth in six days and then rested, even though he's all powerful?
Also, test everything once? We test everything we can, we can't test the ideas of god and creationism because they're lies. It'd be like blood testing a unicorn.
Shadowsafter 3 weeks ago
@Shadowsafter You, my friend, are a man after my own heart. Keep up the good work!
christophcooneyoff 2 weeks ago
@sk8bordluvr084 Yes, I do agree. Besides...The bible did equate 7 days for god being equivalent to billions of years for mankinds time scale if God blinked as many times a day as a man does. (Psalms 90)
The people here mostly confuse religion with any belief in God. These are two separate things, you do not need to associate to any current religious view to believe in an all powerful force that is responsible for everything we know or can see. (Including scientific study)
BBAHUNTER 1 week ago
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But any belief in that which is purely without supporting objective evidence is a practice of pure irrationality and emotionalism. And scientific study IS NOT an "all powerful force". It's simply a methodology and is nothing like religion or theism.
Beastt17 1 week ago
But god is real, so he's wrong. ;D
Ilikesifsif 3 weeks ago
@Ilikesifsif No, that's why he just disproved creationism. It's a lie, god's a lie.
Shadowsafter 3 weeks ago
@Shadowsafter Trololololololololol. haha
Ilikesifsif 3 weeks ago
@Shadowsafter Since you know the answers, who or what started the big bang?
BBAHUNTER 2 weeks ago
@BBAHUNTER Religion is literally the answer for idiots who are too lazy to truly seek answers and unable to admit they don't know. I can openly say that I don't know how the Universe started into being, but a magical sky-daddy sure as hell isn't a logical answer. You say that everything needs a cause, and that God is the cause of the Universe. Then what created God? If God could have always existed, as most Theists say, then why can't that logic apply to the Universe?
DrFugue 2 weeks ago
@DrFugue Yes and no. The reality is science will never answer that question. I can say that experiencing things that cannot happen according to science definitely sways ones opinion.
BBAHUNTER 2 weeks ago
Bull sheet, why are you trying to ignore the evolution?
amirialen 4 weeks ago
In Daniels vision (Ch 7) he saw 4 beasts which were king(s)doms - the same kingdoms as in Ch. 2. Ten horns - breakup of Roman Empire, now Europe. A little horn arises - Papal Rome which plucked up three horns, overthrown & destroyed (Heruli, the Vandals, Ostrogoths) The same horn made war with the saints until the Ancient of Days came and the saints will live peacefully forever with Christ in His new kingdom. This could happen very soon. The stage is set.
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
Oops - mis-typed indoctrination.
mea culpa.
JoeSmithAu 1 month ago
Go ahead peggyofthecove and regurgitate the words and ideas of your indoctination.
I would only want to have a dialogue with people who can form their own ideas.
You can't --- bye
JoeSmithAu 1 month ago
peggy, you're seriously delusional. Please tell me you haven't brainwashed your children to grow up actually believing this.
DrFugue 1 month ago
@DrFugue It is arrogant of atheists to claim that evolution explains the origin of life. Sir Fred Hoyle, of Cambridge University stated that statistically the chances of one cell evolving was the same as a tornado passing through a junkyard and giving you a fully functional Boeing 747.
Thechristiancullen 1 month ago
@Thechristiancullen I agree.
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove 1/Evolution and science are not exclusive to atheism
2/ Evolution is debated within christianity
3/ Many aspects of evolution are still a research issue
4/ Science now knows that many of the pillars of Darwinian theory are either false or misleading. Yet biology texts continue to present them as factual evidence of evolution. What does this imply about their scientific standards?
Thechristiancullen 1 month ago
@Thechristiancullen Darwin's Origin of Species is a better love story than Twilight. XD
Velox415 1 month ago 13
@Thechristiancullen That statistic is of utterly no use. Hoyle is a professor in Astronomy and Mathematics, explain to me how he would know ANYTHING about evolution beyond a rudimentary understanding?
DrFugue 1 month ago
@DrFugue Research OWNED! Good job, I always feel good when I see the ignorant get punked! That's why I watch Christopher Hitchens videos (may not-there rest his nonexistant soul).
Shadowsafter 3 weeks ago
@DrFugue How can you convince anyone that YOU know anything about it either? If you answer because you studied, maybe you should give another professor the same credit. Astronomy encapsulates biology on a macro scale. If you wanted to present your self as a scientist who bases belief on fact, maybe you should find out firsthand: You should personally ask Hoyle how he would know anything about biology.
BBAHUNTER 2 weeks ago
@BBAHUNTER,
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Re; "Astronomy encapsulates biology on a macro scale. :"
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I guess it's true; creationists really do say the DARNEDEST things!
(And... NO, it doesn't. Not at all!)
Beastt17 2 weeks ago
@Thechristiancullen I never said evolution explains the origin of life. I said, again, abiogenesis does. These are 2 separate matters
DrFugue 1 month ago
@Thechristiancullen Hmmm, right.
Probably best you go back to reading your Bible and leave the science to the people who actually understand it. Sounds fair?
9thgate 1 month ago
@Thechristiancullen Einstein came to similar conclusions after years of atheism.
BBAHUNTER 2 weeks ago
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@BBAHUNTER Evolution is a far more complex topic then 500 characters allows - that is whty most scientists still acknowledge that many areas are still a research issue.
Evolution like calvinsim and predestination are debated within christianity - they are not issues of salvation - it is only atheists who seem to make it a God v science debate.
Thechristiancullen 2 weeks ago
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@BBAHUNTER,
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Re: "Einstein came to similar conclusions after years of atheism. "
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Please don't talk about things you don't know anything about. Einstein was NEVER an atheist. He was also never a Christian or the believer in ANY kind of personal God. He said he thought the Bible was "Childish". I would agree. Einstein believed in a non-personal God very much like Spinoza's god.
Einstein spent a lot of time and effort trying to correct people like you concerning his beliefs.
Beastt17 2 weeks ago
LerkurlianTamer: God revealed through Daniel the future empires in Nebuchadnezzar's dream. Gold head/Babylon Silver arms-chest/Medes & Persians Brass belly & thighs/Greece Iron legs/ Rome Iron & Clay feet/ten kingdoms after breakup of Rome Rock/Jesus' Everlasting Kingdom will be set up soon. History proves it. Now study the four beasts, ten horns & little horn in Daniel 8. Fascinating what is there. Will reply in day or two.
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove Correction. Daniel 7 is the chapter about the four beasts, ten horns & little horn... not 8. Chapter 8 is the goat and ram.
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
Yes EattherichBuddy. Why?
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
Thank you LerkurlianTamer: A good start is Daniel 2.
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
Satan wants you to give up on God. Remember the Scapegoat at the Day of Atonement, at the yearly cleansing of the sanctuary. The earthly Sanctuary represents the heavenly. Jesus/Lamb, Satan/Scapegoat. Satan pays for his own sins + every sin of the righteous. Every sinner who rejects Christ pays for his own. Satan wants you lost... less suffering & he hates God. Give you heart to Jesus and be saved. Study & you will find it true. Jesus loves & died for you. Accept His sacrifice & be free.
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove For us to consider any of that, you must demonstrate that The Bible and the rest of that stuff is true. Otherwise, there is no reason whatsoever to listen to you.
LerkurlianTamer 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove No thanks, I prefer eating babies and having homosexual intercourse on the street all the while singing the satanic version of kumbaya.
DrFugue 1 month ago 13
@peggyofthecove Are you from Nova Scotia?
EattherichBuddy 1 month ago
Daniel & Revelation have symbols. After carefully studying, you will understand what is going to happen. We are living in the earth's last days. Some day the Pope will join forces with Apostate Protestants; enforce Sunday worship. Satan will impersonate Christ's second coming; perform miracles and claim to have changed the Sabbath from Sat. to Sun. Wars, earthquakes, pestilences, famines etc will follow. Could happen in our lifetime. Great or fearful news depending on which side you're on.
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove what.... the... fuck? Are you actually serious? I give up. Honestly, I guess you just can't fix stupid.
DrFugue 1 month ago
God will destroy evil and it will not rise the second time. All who accept Jesus as their Savior will be saved. Those who reject His sacrifice will be destroyed with Satan and his evil angels in the lake of fire. After the flames stop, Jesus will recreate this earth as it was in the beginning and we will live in peace and harmony with God and the rest of the unfallen worlds in the universe. If you live up to all the light you know, God accepts you.
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
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The Galapagos Island Finches,
To Accommodate them in the scheme of things, we need to write a Whole History to explain their Existence.
Such as how they came to be on the Exact Right Island where the Exact Food Sauce was present to suit the beak that god gave them.
Was there Finch War and Siege with Island Rally and Final Defeat? Like in the bible?
Or shall we CHOOSE NATURAL SELECTION.
bujumbura101 1 month ago
God choose a people to show and tell the world His plan to rescue sinners from the penalty of death. They (the desert people) blew it as a nation, but He has always had those to preserve the message. We both agree it isn't a small city in the Mediterranean. God's remnant people will keep all the Commandments and have the Testimony of Jesus which is the Spirit of Prophecy. If you are truly seeking the truth, God will lead you to it. You will never be sorry but forever grateful.
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove What sort of reasoning is this? How many religions are there that are mutually exclusive? hundreds. Islam, Judaism, Christianity, etc all have the EXACT same proof (or lack thereof) of their god's existence. If I pick christianity, the muslims may have been right, and I go to hell. Same with islam, and jesus may send me to hell. What sort of rational god would present all these possible religions and expect us to guess which one is right?
DrFugue 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove And do not pull that bullshit about Islam and other religions being "false" gods. That is just plain arrogance. You cannot prove that the islamic god doesn't exist, nor that muhammad wasn't his prophet. You cannot disprove the existence of Zeus or Krishna, so there is no way you can rationally and justly say that others are "false" religions compared to your joojoo man.
DrFugue 1 month ago
@DrFugue Reading the debate between you and miss peggyofthecove is what I would imagine Einstein explaining reletivity to a kindergartener would look like.Now before you get all flattered,I'm simply saying I honestly think she literally lacks the mental capacity to comprehend those subjects even many of the words you use based on her responses.Which are nothing but regurgitated sentences and phrases from the bible or the christian fundamental community.
Alphaomega150 1 month ago
@Alphaomega150 I take no pride in that at all. I don't think I'm that intelligent, but this is simple and basic biology. I guess you may be right that sometimes people are just too stupid to understand something... I'm just fearful for our future generations if this is the sort of imbecility that they grow up hearing. I'm glad that evolution is taught in schools now, and that children can finally understand the origin of species through boundless evidence of natural selection.
DrFugue 1 month ago
Dear Dr. Fugue: True Christians love, follow the Ten Commandments and do not kill. Again, if you studied Daniel and Revelation you would see how Lucifer (a free to choose creation) rebelled and God's plan to save us from destruction. The wages of sin is death. Jesus choose to die, rose and will come again. Soon. It's all in the Scriptures. If we are continually evolving to the better, why do some here call names and show anger toward Creationists? I respect your opinions even if I don't agree.
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove Congratulations, you are opinion number 1534051 on what "true Christians" are. You have presented what is called a "No true scotsman" logical fallacy. What do you mean "study" Daniel and Revelation? It's not a textbook, and it isn't true. I was once a believing Christian until I realized how stupid and remarkably idiotic it all is.
DrFugue 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove Also, why do I call names and show anger? I'm not angry at the people, I'm angry at the though process they represent. Creationists represent an unquestioning, blind, and idiotic faith that is the basis for all evil on planet earth. They represent the type of people who if told that God wanted their children to be killed, they would do it with no question. Again, this is the faith that leads normal men to strap bombs to their chest, to fly planes into towers, etc.
DrFugue 1 month ago
Mr. Belding?!
whyiaskyou79 1 month ago
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To believe in GOD and JESUS you must love LORD GOD with all thy heart and with all thy soul and thy mind!,and love thy neighbour as thyself.! JESUS said love your enemies,bless them that curse you and do good to them that hate you and pray for them which despitefully use you and perscute you! Keep the ten commandments. Forgive and ye will be forgiven and be perfect as the FATHER IS PERFECT ! a tree is known by its fruit! SO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS THE FATHER AND JESUS HAS LOVED US !
1611kjvbibleone 1 month ago
spencemace: God is the greatest scientist of all... He created the universe. I don't have enough faith to believe a big bang created a universe 52 billion light years wide and that we evolved. Nor do I understand how God spoke it into existence. I just believe. I believe in Jesus too. If Jesus isn't real, why are we in the year 2012? I don't think evolutionists are crazy. There's a lot of sense in evolution, it's a mastermind to discredit God and creation. Guess who is behind it!
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove Humans have been around for 100,000 years, maybe more. for 98,000 years, we apparently wallowed in filth, evil, death, misery, etc. Then, all of a sudden, 2000 years ago, God says "That's enough of that", so he sends a HUMAN SACRIFICE (that's what it is you numbnut), to the DESERT. Not in educated China where people can write, and effectively document events, but to an illiterate desert tribe. Are you actually serious? You have the imagination to believe this?
DrFugue 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove So, of all the billions of galaxies and parsecs of matter in the Universe, God only cares about the preservation of one small city in the Mediterranean as his chilling spot? what the actual fuck?
DrFugue 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove
"I don't know, I just believe"- That is the type of stone age unquestioning faith that leads normal men to strap bombs to their chest. That is the type of brainless belief that causes Crusades to happen. "My invisible man is better than yours", why? because "I just believe". What you're saying is that you don't know how the Universe came into being, which I don't either. And it's okay to leave it at that. There's no need to invent a "God" to make you feel better
DrFugue 1 month ago
I dont have an issue with evolution, and yes humans evolve, but spencemace are you retarded "demons" WTF is wrong with you, I grow tired to continue with the god, angles, demons bullshit, get your deluded arse into a clinic why Im even wasting this time to do this, all of you.IF YOU ARE DELUDED IN GOD,ANGLES,DEMONS ETC,just off your selves now and save us all some sanity,deny all the actual facts you want, the issue is we live on a planet controlled by a force that we cant see, and its wrong.
Thumper396396 1 month ago
Hi Beandude202: Thanks for your comment. My reasoning wasn't clear. I don't believe God fused chromosomes, but created us in His image with 26; monkeys 28. This theory means male and female would have had to fuse chromosomes within their lifespan and mate. Takes a lot more faith to believe that than creation. Sorry your faith has been broken. What happened?
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove First, we have 23 pairs, so your ignorance on this subject is already apparent. Secondly, No, male and female did not fuse chromosomes in their lifespan, again ignorance. What most likely happened is that when going through meiosis, a gamete produced by the parent did not properly complete anaphase/metaphase. This meant that the chromosomes in the tetrads stuck together and fused. This fused chromosome then was passed on from generation to generation.
DrFugue 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove And what is this "his image" bullshit? Are you saying that an omnipotent, omniscient creator has 23 chromosomes? Also, take some Epicurus:
"Evil exists. Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. If God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world? "
DrFugue 1 month ago
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gasmask4poop 1 month ago
Why do evolutionists waist their time trying to convince Creationists they're wrong? Of course their is similar characteristics in creation. God is the Master Designer. This video assumes these chromosomes fused. Who was there to prove it? He said they MUST have fused. Not so. God could have easily done it. Evolutionists, spend as much time prayerfully studying the Bible, especially Daniel and Revelation, as you do evolution, and you'll become Creationists.
peggyofthecove 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove
Because they are wrong. You're assuming that your Bible is true. You're assuming that God actually exists. I've studied the Bible. I was a Bible-believing Christian for many, many years. But then I came to realize the foolishness in Christianity.
You say God could have fused the chromosomes, but why? Why would he fool us in such a way? Your God sounds very deceptive.
Beandude202 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove god isn't science, and everything the man in the video said is true. the problem is not a lack of evidence, it is your lack of understanding on the subject. and when i say your i mean all creationists, because you all think that the evolutionists are crazy, but in reality you're just not smart enough to comprehend something as simple as base genome fusion.
spencemace 1 month ago
@peggyofthecove Again, nobody "Studies" the bible, just like nobody "studies" the lord of the rings. They must have fused because if you had a rudimentary understanding of genetics, the telomeres and centromeres of Chromosome 2 indicate the fusing of 2 separate chromosomes. This is published as scientifically accurate, to the 95% confidence level. If you want to, again, take the 5% chance a magic man did it all, be my ignorant guest
DrFugue 1 month ago
gingsengsamurai: Thanks for your comments. I have no need to take up world religion. Jesus saved me. He said "I am the way,the truth,and the life; no man cometh unto the father,but by me. That's good enough for me. As I've said before seek and you will find.
TheEdduff 1 month ago
@TheEdduff: No, Jesus didn't say anything to you. You read that in a book and then when you went to bed at night, you thought about it and your own voice in your head told you what you read. EVERY SINGLE GOD in EVERY SINGLE culture in EVERY SINGLE era says they are the one true god in one form or another. Your Christian god is no different. Just because YOU think your god is the only god, I CAN GUARANTEE you that it billions of others say you're wrong.
ginsengsamurai 1 month ago
@TheEdduff: and as I said: "seek and you will find" peace in OTHER RELIGIONS TOO. I can guarantee it. However, I won't be surprised if you won't find peace now because you're too entrenched in that Christian fairy tale of yours. Remember YOU are no one special, yet your god saved you? What about the millions of other Rwandans that were raped and mass murdered? What about the victims of the WTC (9/11)? So they were trivial, but you're special? Come on, get real.
ginsengsamurai 1 month ago
gingsengsamurai; I have nothing against science-I'm against evolution poison. I can assure you that christians never lived in darkness even in the dark ages; because Jesus is the light of the world.He can be your light if you seek him with all your heart.
TheEdduff 1 month ago
@TheEdduff Have you READ that disastrous piece of nonfiction you hold in such high regard??? Have you given a moment's thought to the INACCURACIES, INCONSISTENCIES, and BLATANT CONTRADICTIONS in it's pages? Jesus was nothing more than a cult leader who was made a household name because Roman Emperor Constantine adopted christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire. That's it and that's all.. If David Koresh had been born 2000 years sooner you would probably be worshipping him instead
keasy84 1 month ago
@keasy84: It's hard not to argue with the blindly religious against their psychological delusions, but with that said, it is very difficult to knock reason and sense into their psychologically brainwashed minds.
ginsengsamurai 1 month ago
@ginsengsamurai This is a sad, true state of affairs. What really confuses me is how so many people, scholars, educators, who are otherwise relatively intelligent, still devote unwaivering allegiance to these ancient cults. It is disturbing really
keasy84 1 month ago
@TheEdduff: And Buddha, Vishnu, as well as thousands of other gods can also bring you that light - I assure you, they can. You just have to adhere to it and be conditioned into as you have with Christianity. It was only by the sheerest of luck that you adhere to your faith. That is all. I suggest you take up World Religion, put down your holy books and traverse the world and seek out different cultures and faiths. That might give you a better perspective on life.
ginsengsamurai 1 month ago
@1611kjvbibleone: please cite the chapter and verse in your bible that "proves" monkeys always have baby monkeys.
SafetyKap 1 month ago
@TheEdduf: yeah, that learning and knowledge stuff is hard! Besides, Jesus said you don't need any of it! John 10:7 "Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep."
SafetyKap 1 month ago
The video's all gobbledygook to me. Thank God for Jesus sayin "Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the Kingdom of heaven. Pity the poor kids that have to listen to evolutionary nonsense, from teachers who think they are smart. In reality they are doing the devil's work,and they'll pay for it.
TheEdduff 1 month ago
@TheEdduff: Yeah I didn't think you would understand basic mathematics or anything scientific. Remember: if it wasn't for science, you would still be living in the dark ages. Even if your mind is stuck in the ancient times, at the very least you have the option to take medicine, go to the hospital for treatment, use the computer to watch YouTube. <--- all products of science. Just because you can't grasp it, it doesn't mean it's not real.
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monkeys have baby monkeys and they always will and if evolution was true monkeys should talk, but they don't and one day you will die and at judgment day what are you going to say to GOD AND LORD JESUS ! i know for a fact GOD AND JESUS ARE REAL and i ask why don't other people see what i see and know, i was told, some are sheep and some are wolfs, there are GOD'S children and there are satan's children !... PEOPLE READ PSALMS ;2 and ISAIAH; 24 learn the truth. i will pray for you !
1611kjvbibleone 1 month ago
@1611kjvbibleone: And you should read Buddhist scriptures. In other words, Jesus is as real as the other thousands of gods throughout the thousands of years across billions of people and through hundreds of wars, across tens of thousands of battles... The only reason why the Christian voice exists inside your head is because you want it to exist and therefore because you want it to exist, it exists. It doesn't exist in me, nor does it exist for the other 65% of the world.
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@1611kjvbibleone: In your circular logic, God exists because the bible says it exists. The bible is absolutely truthful because God says it's truthful. Therefore God and the bible are truthful.
Seriously, put down that silly book and go outside. Your extreme paranoia is a form of psychological abuse. I hope you don't have any children.
ginsengsamurai 1 month ago
@1611kjvbibleone there's so much wrong with what you're saying
spencemace 1 month ago
The problem with this video is that Creationists will not understand a thing he is saying. Creationists look at those diagrams and drawings the same way we look at the bible - we think the bible is full of crap and stuff that is made up and/or exaggerated. Bible thumpers most likely look at science the same way. So it's hard pressed to try to get true education into the brains of Creationists. That's why they surrender themselves to "I don't know. God did it." <- Brain dead banter.
ginsengsamurai 1 month ago 12
oh hear we go again, when did I say the Annunaki exist NOW?? When? I dont know that, I believe they were around a long long time ago and interfered with Earth.
Thumper396396 1 month ago
@Thumper396396 they didn't ever exist, sorry to burst your bubble.
spencemace 1 month ago
I love how you idiots only respond to key words then fill in with your own ignorant views, once again I have to educate those whom think there above everyone else. I do believe in evolution, take whales for example, the went from the oceans to land then back again, what I dont believe in is the evolution of humans, get it right moron before you tryto shoot me down.
Thumper396396 1 month ago
@Thumper396396 my response to what you said is accurate. you think that humans are beings to which evolution doesn't apply. I'm saying: that's retarded. any being with cells can evolve, it just takes patience. the reason why there is variation is not due to demons, it is due to genetic code. it's not a hard concept to grasp.
spencemace 1 month ago
46, it's because our last 2 which would bring it to 48 were fused together, which is not natural. The Annunaki created us through DNA manipulation, we did not evolve from apes, chimps etc, theres no missing link because we skipped that and lept forward in evolution to become human, also the differant races of humans on Earth are all from thier own line of race as they visited Earth along time ago and left thier seed, prove me wrong, and FFS leave any god reference out of this, he/she dont exist
Thumper396396 1 month ago
@Thumper396396 the annunaki do not exist, you sound just as dumb as a creationist. the fusing of chomosomes is a perfectly natural mutation and one of the many ways new species arise from old ones. the reason there are a veriety of races is due to the variety of proteins that make up our body's development. you see, skin color, like many attributes of a human being, is determined by these things called bases. there are four kinds of bases, A T G and C. these bases are found in the middle of ever
spencemace 1 month ago
@Thumper396396 y strand of DNA. these bases, when grouped in three's, can be transcribed into 64 different signals (aat, agg, agc, att, aaa, ttt, etc.) that give every cell in your body the ability to determine the order and placement of around 21 different kinds of proteins. protein makes up your body and mind, it is everything you are, and a strand of dna can chose from literally thousands of skin colors due to the way your dna from your parents is written. i am not a teacher or something like
spencemace 1 month ago
@spencemace: Right now, I am arguing with three Christians who think they have been 'saved' by angels. Right now I am asking them what makes their individual lives so special that they were saved by angels, but millions of other people were left to be raped, murdered and tortured. In other words, it seems like their comfortable westernized lives are special, yet millions of others were trivial.
It's tiring to try to knock sense into their little brains. I think impossible.
ginsengsamurai 1 month ago
@ginsengsamurai i agree that is a difficult task, but why is it that you're telling me this? is it because you want me to help or are you just stating that you're in an argument like mine. anyways, my advice is to stop trying to convince them. anyone who believes in angels or demons or annunaki isn't actually looking for an answer they're just spouting thier own nonsense so that they are confronted by someone with a different perspective so that they can shoot it down and feel strongly about
spencemace 1 month ago
@spencemace: I think the reason I told you is more rhetorical than anything. Kind of like me giving up a big sigh while you're standing nearby and I walk up to you saying: "You too?" But you're right, of all the places I've debated in, countless threads on countless forums and videos, I have only convinced TWO people out of hundreds that their religion is utterly ridiculous. It's a scary thought nevertheless how many brain-dead and brain washed people there are. Good luck to you. ^_^
ginsengsamurai 1 month ago
@ginsengsamurai I assumed that much. thank you for the good luck! it's always nice to meet a fellower traveller like yourself. a brief respite from the arguing never hurt anyone :)
spencemace 1 month ago
@ginsengsamurai about thier idiotic beliefs. the people you're arguing with are idiots. they will always be idiots, and the only thing you'll get out of arguing with them is frustration. i hope my response was what you desired.
spencemace 1 month ago
@Thumper396396 that, just a simple high school student who wishes to study evolutionary biology because I'm damn good at it. ask me if you didn't understand anything, but if i get a stupid response then I'm simply going to reply "stay in school." because that's really the only way I'd expect someone who believes in "annunaki" but not evolution could ever come close to understanding this. have a good life.
spencemace 1 month ago
This guy is an idiot. All life is made of the same materials, but put together with different DNA.
Macro Evolution FAILS the basic scientific method of prediction & duplication.
parasitesarefunny 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny If macro evolution fails the basic scientific method, then why is the consensus almost 100% in macro evolution's favor amongst scientists? The only scientists who do not believe in macro evolution are fringe elements who ignore evidence such as the fossil record. I find it quite humorous you call a eminent molecular biologist an idiot. I would love to see your published essays on this subject ... oh wait, that's right.
lordx0r 1 month ago