Murder is wrong because it creates a gap in the cycle of things. People have become dependant over each other for many reason (love, financial, mechanical.) and removing a person will leave a big group of people vulnerable as their requirements are not being met and so are unable to function, and so be happy individuals.
@TheOther4815 Most of your quetions seem to be based around the same theme so I can only give you the same answer.
Morals and a sense of what is right or wrong you get from your family and the society around you and the laws of the land you live in. Also it evolves over time e.g I think some of your presidents were slave owners but if a presidential candiate now came out and said "I want to bring slavery back and be a slave owner" how far do you think he'd get?
@TheOther4815 The reason why the area is grey is solely dependent on the circumstance.
Is it wrong for me to walk up to my neighbor and cap in him the head? Of course it is. If my father was dying and in pain, to the point that every breath was sheer agony and he asked me to pull the plug? I believe that would be humane. We do it with our beloved pets, why shouldn't humans be allowed the same dignity and respect?
Yes, murder is wrong. This should be obvious to anyone who is not a sociopath. Human beings work on a principle of assumed reciprocal behaviour. Boiled down to its most simple form, we call this principle "tit for tat." Thus, murder is wrong because we don't want to be murdered. However, when human beings use abstract reasoning, say an invisible man who says that it's okay to slaughter millions because they are inherently "evil," as an excuse for murder, we see atypical and immoral behaviour.
To answer your question "TheOther4815" from a Christian standpoint, murder is not wrong, it is very very right. Exodus 35:2 demands that you kill everyone that works on a Sunday, Leviticus 20:13 demands that you kill homosexuals, so apparently it is right that you murder these individuals because it is "God's will" Me, on the other hand believe that no human deserves to die, but if I or another were being threatened, then I would be capable of killing the threatener, have a nice day
Why yes, murder would be wrong. Why? Because it's defined that way. This is a silly question, it would make more sense to ask "is killing wrong", but murder is wrong by it's very definition. If killing someone is not "wrong", it won't be called murder, if it is, it'll be called that. Simple, I'd say.
That is a complex question. It depends. I have no urge or need to kill anyone. If I were to witness a horrendous act by someone against someone I know I have to wonder if I'd kill them then and there. I might feel justified. We do murder some criminals at the state level, so we allow governors to murder and they delegate the task of murder. We murder in self defense. We go to war and murder millions of people. Still, I don't believe murder without reason is moral. And accidents do happen.
Under under my eyes is Wrong (im an athiest), Except if and when the intention to kill another person is to protect your friend, family or yourself. Given the immediate threat of injury or fatality to your self or others. Murder is ending someone's life and that person only deserves to be murdered if he/she intends to murder you or your friend or family. -good enough answer? :)
You'd be better off asking Christians and Muslims this question. They have much more experience. Good luck learning about the "right" or "wrong" of murder in the bible though. It contradicts itself at least 80 times.
It's a subjective answer. In most cases I would say it's wrong, but I, having an different opinion then others for my view of the world has led me to my subjective thinking, think there are cases where it can be accepted.
Morality is based on the human's interpretations of right and wrong. Of course - the majority will believe murder is wrong (I am with them on that) - but not all. I believe that we all have unalienable rights endowed with us by our creator - our PARENTS.
I know what you are trying to get at, right/ wrong being derived from religious morals... simply put there is no right and wrong...there is like and dislike. For most commuting murder is a dislike (we justify our dislike by calling it wrong). Rest-assured there are many (including religious people) who love to commit murder (they justify it as right). Sorry to say this but, your question comes from a poor understanding of your own thoughts..
It's wrong because we want to preserve our species. Now look at nature, many animals kill their own kind for survival. Is it wrong? No, it's just nature. As humans, we have compassion for other humans, but we have no problem killing other animals. Is that wrong? No, it's just nature.
Like being a christian makes the answer any different? you are a foul religious-hypocrite in denial of your own existence. These questions are ridiculous and amusing, you little troll.
You don't need religion to have morals. Murder is wrong because taking away someone else's right to life is wrong. One could even argue that murder is worse if there is no god because you are taking away that person's only chance at life (there is no afterlife in my opinion).
Murder is wrong as you are violating someone's right to live. As the great Confucius once said: "What you do not wish for yourself, do not do to others."
there are no set rules for atheist besides the complete lack of religion or god. you constantly ask subjective questions as though there are moral codes that atheist live by. atheists are individuals and each have their own moral beliefs. It is so damn futile to ask these questions. I can say that murder is right but that certainly won't apply to all atheists.
Genetically, we are obligated to get along with one another in order to survive. Thats how a species grows. Without growth, we will die out. So yes, murder is wrong, because our mentality (which is controlled by our evolution of genes) tells us it is.
Murder has two common definitions: wrongful killing or illegal killing. Lawmakers often try to eliminate the gap, but don't do so perfectly. Wrongful killing is, well, wrong. Trivially. (Though we might argue over what exactly counts as wrong.) As for illegal killing, it can be right or wrong depending on context, including the nature of the law. What I think you're trying and failing to ask is whether right or wrong can exist, as moral propositions, absent a belief in God. Short answer, yes.
To even answer yes or no to this question is to assume that right and wrong does exist. Which is an assumption many atheists seem to make.
Right, wrong, good or bad dont physically exist. All of them are there as standards, set by us, for our reasons. I would recomend Richard Dawkins : "The Selfish Gene".
@TheOther4815 Again, you are making the assumption that good and bad exists. Unless you can actually prove that there is such a thing as objective morality, this question is rather idiotic. And again, watch Richard Dawkins: Nice guys finish first.
@TheOther4815 Thats the point.... What Hitler did was "Right" to some just as it was "Wrong" to others. Ergo, nothing can be implicitly right or wrong. This is why even creationists interpret the Bible in different ways, some use it to justify "help" while others use it to justify "murder". It is just that a majority of people disliked the actions and implications of Hitler.
@TheOther4815 what you dont understand is everything is a point of view, to some what hitler did was right to most it was wrong, and from there what gulbirk said is right, whatever we impose on ourselves isnt right or wrong it is what it is
@TheOther4815 "Does that mean that what Hitler did was ok?"
Well it depends on who you ask, now doesn't it! Look up the word 'objective'. There is no such thing as right and wrong from a global standpoint. Hitler was Catholic... do you think other Catholics would think what he did was right? At the time some of them did, and others didn't. Why we consider things wrong or right certainly doesn't have anything to do with an imaginary deity, that's just silly.
@TheOther4815 stop answering every answer with a question. this isnt subject to philosophical debate. i am an athiest. im not fooled by the brainwashing of religion or fear of reprisals in the afterlife from the invisible man. murder is wrong because it is detrimental to society. by differing ourselves from the survival of the species strong vs weak idea that animals adhere to, we are able to grow intellectually and discover where we are from, which is the only reason for existence.
@TheOther4815 Counter question, is slavery wrong? Do slaves have the right to rise against their masters? Do Christians have a right to be slave masters? Answer to your question, its wrong because most people in society don't want to get murdered. As many ppl have responded. It is "always" wrong? Well, we have wars, etc, etc, etc.
its wrong for us but thats because of how we grew up he grew up when every one said that all bad things were because of the jews which made it right for him so its all how people are raised and how the environment/people around you are like me i find murder is right as long its sum one bad like lets say that i had the opportunity to kill jack the ripper i would because he was a bad person but thats just me i cant speak for everyone so yes i find murder wrong under surcomstances
go to graveyard and just look at people faces than they bury them family member or friend and you'll understand why it is wrong. And if you don't then go read the bible once more and try to find other moron questions.
@TheOther4815 such a stupid question.. "why is it wrong..?" what are you trying to do here... are you just trying to convince yourself that the only reason anything is right , wrong good or bad is because god said so or something? i mean what kind of an alternative answer do you expect people to give to questions such as this that doesn't leave you enough room to make a recurring "but why? but why?"..?
@TheOther4815 It is wrong for an atheist, because the source of our objective morality is reason. And we know, intellectually, the implications of suffering on us, and to others. I don't do to others what I would not like to be done to myself. Christians didn't come up with that idea, and this is truth to me REGARDLESS of the existence of God. Would murder be ok with you if God didn't exist? Do you think anyone who's not a christian thinks murder is a good thing?
@TheOther4815 Asking the same question over and over to almost every commenter means you're a troll. If you're genuinely interested in the topic, read the appropriate literature and find out for yourself.
Here you are trying to pull the "no morality without God" argument. Most, if not all, faiths accept murder is wrong, which proves that your Judeo-Christian (mass murderer) OT god does not have the monopoly on morality. Morality is a subjective matter, changing with times and mores and nothing to do with faith. Is wife beating wrong? Your Bible states it is perfectly legitimate.
But if you think the Abrahanic god is the source for our morality, you'll have to explain why he would violate almost every one of the 10 Commandments. He was a mass murderer, and took a bizarre liking in killing children. He advocated slavery, misogyny, and found the aroma of burnt offerings, pleasing! A most strange command from him was that we must love him...and be in dread fear of him, both.
You can worship such an evil, immoral tyrant if you wish, I will never be fooled again.
The problem you have is that your morality is no more absolute than an Atheist's. For your moralilty to be absolute, it must be above your God. I don't think you'd admit that there is anything above your God. Therefore, your God subjectively decides what is right and wrong. If he says murder is right, then it's right. He could change his mind tomorrow.
The 10 Commandments are not the 1st set of rules man has made, then claimed their god gave it to them. And since I'm using Christianity as an example, you'd then have to determine which set of the 10 Cs were the real ones. Moses was given 2 sets, he broke the 1st set, but god lied to Moses. God said the 2nd set would be identical to the 1st...they were not!
When it comes to morality. each man, then each community, each nation, has to determine what is moral, just as it's always been done.
murder is wrong. and murder is right. it depends on what one believes. for example, self defense. could go either way. oil. could go either way. in the name of the lord. again, could go either way. see? it all depends on the person. also, what is murder? killing a cow and eating it is what? all we know is what we want and what we do. it is NOT all the same. peace.
@TheOther4815 - Are you serious? Do you actually need someone else to tell you that murder is wrong? Whether you believe in magic sky pixies or not, killing other people is morally wrong. So is rape, theft, lying and what you do: Disingenuously posting these questions to prod others because they believe differently than you do. This kind of behavior makes YOU look like a dishonest person. Is that what Christians are? By the smirk on your face I'd say you already know this.
I love the irony in how the questions for atheists are done in the dark and the question for ex-Christians has the lights on.
Murder, the cold-blooded, heartless, unprovoked and intentional killing of someone else is wrong because it's harmful to society. It stands to reason that not murdering is greatly more beneficial to a species and to a society than going around killing whoever you like. If it was okay to kill anyone for any reason, there would be panic and fear, and that's not good.
@TheOther4815 Wow, you actually responded... Yes, it would be a bad thing. Things are bad when they are shown to be harmful. If it effects us negatively, then it is bad. That's the definition of bad, my diluted little friend.
I'd urge you not to say anything else that's stupid, but then you would have to drop foolish notions like "it's bad because god says so" before you can ever have an actual intelligent thought.
@genobahamut1337 Your answer fails in that some species have murder; e.g., lions murder the cubs of a lioness after they kill her lover. Then she is ready for hot sex ... However, you are on the right track of course. Its "wrong' for functional reasons. ;)/
@gejost Species do what has helped them survive. In the case you speak of, the lion who wins the lioness has the most successful genes and thus the species over all would do better with that lion's genes passed on rather than the one who was beaten. A lion will not kill it's own cubs, though. To be honest, humanity is the most morally sophisticated species on the planet, so we shouldn't expect other animals to live up to that standard. After all, we can afford to be this way.
Murder is wrong in most situations. Murder has become a loaded term because new terms for permissible killing have been coined.
The ethical position is that killing a human is permissible given extenuating circumstances. Killing in self-defense, in defense of others, in time of war, and by accident all have established ethical standards for judgment.
Euthanasia is an example of something still considered murder that is being ethically evaluated. It can stop being wrong if it can be ethical,
The question is silly... there is no definite 'right' or 'wrong'. That sort of thinking is typical of someone living in a bubble and believing that there is a definite set of right and wrongs. Ignorance breeds ignorant questions.
strengthen social bonds, and maintain out primary survivability adaptation -- social solidarity. From here, society crafts rules and norms designed to codify these empathic feelings and impulses as objectively right and the conditions (when, where, and to whom they apply) under which they should be employed. It is in this latter area where we see the true philosophical development of objective morality throughout history.
I'm sorry to see so many dislikes. I think this is a fair question -- if you're genuinely inquisitive and not playing a game of "gotcha". That said, you have received some good answers below; I hope you take them seriously. There are many ways to answer this question, but I will choose a uniquely scientific way. We are genetically programmed to experience concern and distress at the suffering of others -- as are many upper mammals. These are evolutionary adaptations which have served to... cont.
I define 'murder' as the forcible taking of a life. Now I need you to define 'wrong' b/c by my definition picking a flower is 'murder' but I don't think it's very 'wrong'. I believe murder is. Just is. Some murder is morally 'wrong' by how I define 'wrong' some is not morally wrong. Like I believe killing a cow is murder but I eat meat, I also believe the Nazi's murdered ppl and that was atrocious and wrong. So it depends on your definition of these words.
It's wrong bcuz we say it is. Our society has put laws in place which have nothing to do with theology/mythology. Morality has "never" been objective in nature, always subjective.
Do we stone disobedient kids, or people who work on the Sabbath? Christians talk one way, but act another, and don't think the biblical law is irrelevant bcuz of the new covenant. JC made it clear the law will always stand. Xians have no excuse, Why do u not follow god's laws, since u believe in his word?
A question for theists; why is it that the ten commandments don't say anything about rape or slavery? It would seem that those two topics are every bit as relevant as baring false witness and adultery, (I would say considerably more so) and yet are excluded from the book. Thoughts?
I suspect there will be some "gotcha" coming here, but whatever...
Yes, murder is wrong.
When you understand that morality is a product of societal evolution it is clear that societies in which members murder one other are less suited for survival. Bees within a hive do not kill one another, nor do ants, piranhas and a multitude of other social creatures. Natural selection favors that cooperative communal trait.
Again, asking why taking away the life of someone who isn't threatening to yours at the moment is wrong only makes people wonder if you know what right and wrong is.
One plausible answer is this: In any given society, it doesn't matter in the least whether murder is wrong or not *IF* the social group that retains control of the most powerful weapons doesn't think it helps them. If you think there's an absolute right & wrong, it's because you've been conditioned to think so by your lamb-like fear of falling foul of gun-toting thugs.
I might be wrong but I'm presuming you're question comes from the 'if you don't believe in God then you can't be moral or have morality' camp.
Personally, I believe you have to start by defining 'murder' and specify what context you're thinking of because, if you ask me if murder is wrong, I'm going to have to ask you whether the Crusades or the Inquisition were wrong? So, explain that one and I'll tell you honestly what I think about murder.
Murder violates what most (if not all) Atheists live by: By respecting others, you garner respect for yourself. This is a morality that humans have learned long before any religion -- that in order to exist in this world, you're going to have to cooperate with one another. If you chose to live a life of disrespect, chances are you brought disrespect upon yourself from those around you, and your likelihood of survival went down. Religion merely likes to take the credit for this morality.
Define murder. It is a legal definition that changes through time and from country to country. Even from state to state. You are not asking a question concerning law though are you? You are asking how should we determine morals. This, in fact, is how it is with all moral questions. There are no absolute answers. Slave owners recited Biblical dogma to justify slavery in the south as abolitionists did the same thing to condemn it. A war eventually determined the answer though didn't it?
All humans have the potential for self-actualisation which is the only source of meaning and the self-actualisation of one person enriches the lives of everyone else by that person's works, deeds and example. Destruction of that potential is therefore harmful to all of humanity and thus I deem it wrong. Tell me if you only know right from wrong because God told you, how can you claim to be a moral agent? Doesn't that make you amoral?
The word murder is a legal term, perhaps you should have used the word killing. It is beneficial for members of a social species like humans to get along and generally coorperate or else that species would not likely survive. Simple natural selection demands a high level of cooperation. Nevertheless, killing does occur in the name of cooperation and may be acceptable when one group fights against another over resources (like food) or in self defense. Perhaps I should just say, yes and no!
Quick question for you, TheOther4815, if your god commanded you to murder, rather than not to, would you do it? If so, you are not actually moral. You are just obedient. If not, you are in the same position as us atheists.
@recon82nd I'm no your side dude. I'm as strong an atheist as any of us. You may have misunderstood me. I was asking this "intellectual" if he thinks that without a god telling him what he should(n't) is murder right? (hint for anyone who wants to know: It isn't) :D
People like you, who try to figure us out make me want to kick a waffle. OF COURSE Murder is wrong. We're human! not walking cyborgs who kill everything we see. Let me ask you a question. Why do you think asking us questions is relevant? Why do you have to judge everyone? Yes you're probably a christian but does that mean you have to differentiate from us? I have 4532145 of christian friends who care about me for ME! no my religion, yeah they might say. damn Erin you're going to hell. I say GOOD
"Wrong" is what we call it. Piranhas don't worry about "right" and "wrong" yet they don't eat each other. Sure, we are more advanced that said fish, but the fact we (all creatures as far as I know) have this instinct tells me our common ancestor had it too. I don't get why this is hard to understand.
All it takes for me to reject murder as wrong is me thinking that I would not like to live in a society where murder was widely accepted. I would not like it if other people went around trying to murder me so I had better not try to murder other people. It's called morality - but I can see here on youtube that most theists are unfamiliar with the concept, but you should try to look it up.
@TheOther4815 Well, I would say it's situational. Scenario 1: You find out your spouse is having and affair. Do you kill them? No. Relationship problems aren't a justifiable means for murder. Scenario 2: Someone who hates you is out for revenge. They break into your home one night planning to kill you. Do you kill them? Only as a last resort. It's one's right to be able to defend themselves from danger. Good or Bad? So, it isn't always evil, but it's always bad.
Your nose is slanted, you must have had it broken before. I am guessing its because you were smug and condescending to someones face.
Quick question for you, is believing in a fairy tale as truth wrong? You know most people who do that are in insane asylums. Oh wait, they are not. They are mainstream humanity.
Murder, from a utilitarian stand point is also undesirable since people going around killing each other doesn't promote the general welfare of society (or the individuals for that matter). That plus empathy and sympathy are three damn good reasons not to consider murder a good thing. All I ever hear from your type (bible thumpin' theists) is murder isn't ok because your god said so. So if you thought your god changed his mind, would you start murdering people? We aren't bound by dogma, you are
Yes, I wouldn't want it done to me so why would I do it to others. It's common sense not a biblical moral standard. Besides Gods killed enough people through genocide so whats the point when Gods got that market cornered.
No, murder is not wrong, because throughout history the followers of monotheistic religion have killed people left and right and God never seemed to mind.
Yes murder is wrong, because humans are social animals who depend upon one another to survive. If a practice like murder were acceptable, our species wouldn't last very long at all.
Now a question back at you or any other Christians who may wish to answer: Is murder wrong because the bible says so, or for some other reason?
This question is ill formed. You can't direct a question like this to "atheists" anymore than you can direct it to "theists". The description says nothing about what school of ethics they subscribe to. An atheist can be anything from a Utilitarian, Objectivist, Humanist, Deontologist, etc. Theists can be anything from one of the many denominations of Christianity to a Pagan, Jew, Satanist, Hindu, etc. The target of your question is too broad to get a definitive answer. Rephrase and try again.
It's a trick of words. By its definition murder is wrongful (illegal) killing. If someone kills someone else and it's determined not to be murder then what is agreed on is that it isn't criminally wrong to that degree.
Among members of our species and all other species that have evolved as group living animals, only freaks, mutants, faulty individuals murder.."Wrong" is not a word I use, but it feels unnatural, alien to me to murder other members of my species. (And other species' too in my case.: )
Quick question for theists: define "wrong". Seriously. I would love to hear you get stuck in the inherently-wrong v. wrong-because-god-says-so quagmire.
Dont bother the rest of us until you have actually thought your question through you smug little tit.
It's clear you don't understand that the only thing all atheists agree on is that there is no God. Each individual atheist comes to their own conclusions about everything else, including morality. To give you a simple youtube comment answer, I don't want to die. Other people don't want to die. I don't have any reason to think I'm more important than anyone else. So I respect their life, and they respect mine. However if it were self defense, or in defense of others, killing would not be immoral
Yes: murder is wrong. I base my morality on empathetic libertarianism: since murder strongly violates both the empathetic principle and the libertarian principle, it's obviously wrong.
Counter-Question: God once asked Abraham to murder his own son. Abraham agreed. Was this the right choice? Why, or why not?
Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” Exodus 32:27
...I guess it isn't. It's a good thing I get my morals from this book and don't think for myself.
@TheOther4815 I know because I murder people all the time. It's great fun and there's no god to stop me. The police in my neighborhood are atheists too so they don't do anything to stop me either but just cheer me on and laugh. As luck would have it, most of my victims are atheists as well so, being unaware that I'm doing anything wrong by murdering them, they don't put up a fight. I think a good time is had by all parties involved.
Thats a really weird question you do know that people in other countries with different regions and for example many different gods, don't just mass murder everybody all day either right? So why would people who simply see no reason to believe in the supernatural? Why always this; morality = religion, some religious people do horrible things and some non religious, so what does that prove?.. jeez...
Since we, as intelligent sentient beings, inherently know murder is wrong for the reasons Claire pointed out, how does god get praise despite eliminating millions of humans in the Old Testament?
If you assume murder is 'wrong', war must be 'wrong'. Why aren't theists anti-war? If you are a theist but have not condemned every war, are you inconsistent?
Last time I saw you, you were the virgin trying to convince people how great sex is after marriage, as if you could possibly know that. And now you're asking us a question that betrays the fact that you haven't investigated any arguments towards theism at all. To put it simply kid, "murder is wrong because GAWWWWDDD said so" contains the intellectual strength of a fruitcake. Most of us have an innate empathy towards others; that's why we don't want to hurt people.
@xxxThePeachxxx Don't forget that murder is ok when committed by God or his followers against people who are not his chosen people or don't grovel in the proper fashion.
@xxxThePeachxxx An estimated 500,000 to 800,000 were killed in Rwanda 1994 because the catholic hutu clergy, with god's blessings said it was ok to kill tutsies. Religion says murder is wrong only to lure you in but at any point ANY barbaric act can be sanctified. It is secularism that stands against the religious from sanctifying mutilation, murder and religious wars on the planet.
@xxxThePeachxxx but dont you know that lord baby jesus put that innate empathy in our hearts lol thanks for commenting on this i dont think i ever would have found this and i really needed that laugh today...
Murder is wrong because it creates a gap in the cycle of things. People have become dependant over each other for many reason (love, financial, mechanical.) and removing a person will leave a big group of people vulnerable as their requirements are not being met and so are unable to function, and so be happy individuals.
tl;dr, it's inconvenient.
The murdered are indifferent as they're now dead.
FannySMUDGE 22 hours ago
Murder hurts people, thus it is wrong.
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@TheOther4815 Most of your quetions seem to be based around the same theme so I can only give you the same answer.
Morals and a sense of what is right or wrong you get from your family and the society around you and the laws of the land you live in. Also it evolves over time e.g I think some of your presidents were slave owners but if a presidential candiate now came out and said "I want to bring slavery back and be a slave owner" how far do you think he'd get?
MrSitemaster2 4 days ago
Yes, murder is wrong. Atheism has nothing to do with morals and values as you seem to believe. Your question is therefore flawed.
Let me ask you a question in return, do you believe that it is wrong to put homosexuals to death as a punishment?
awende 1 week ago
killing is wrong, you are cutting someone's valuable life short
taylan637 2 weeks ago
I really hate this guy. Why are you asking these questions. Of course murder is wrong! What does that have to do with be atheist?!
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Murder is wrong... if you need that explained then you have a real problem. Your bible has a very different and very barbaric idea.
jimmyhitchen 1 month ago
@TheOther4815 The reason why the area is grey is solely dependent on the circumstance.
Is it wrong for me to walk up to my neighbor and cap in him the head? Of course it is. If my father was dying and in pain, to the point that every breath was sheer agony and he asked me to pull the plug? I believe that would be humane. We do it with our beloved pets, why shouldn't humans be allowed the same dignity and respect?
humanreplica 1 month ago
Yes, murder is wrong. This should be obvious to anyone who is not a sociopath. Human beings work on a principle of assumed reciprocal behaviour. Boiled down to its most simple form, we call this principle "tit for tat." Thus, murder is wrong because we don't want to be murdered. However, when human beings use abstract reasoning, say an invisible man who says that it's okay to slaughter millions because they are inherently "evil," as an excuse for murder, we see atypical and immoral behaviour.
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To answer your question "TheOther4815" from a Christian standpoint, murder is not wrong, it is very very right. Exodus 35:2 demands that you kill everyone that works on a Sunday, Leviticus 20:13 demands that you kill homosexuals, so apparently it is right that you murder these individuals because it is "God's will" Me, on the other hand believe that no human deserves to die, but if I or another were being threatened, then I would be capable of killing the threatener, have a nice day
MattCookeSucks2347 1 month ago
It's wrong because it causes human suffering. Morality is, by definition, a code of behavior intended to minimize suffering. Ta-Da!
Moreover, even if there were NO reason, this has nothing to do with whether or not God exists.
YaleBreaker 1 month ago
Why yes, murder would be wrong. Why? Because it's defined that way. This is a silly question, it would make more sense to ask "is killing wrong", but murder is wrong by it's very definition. If killing someone is not "wrong", it won't be called murder, if it is, it'll be called that. Simple, I'd say.
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To be a christian you have to believe that murder is alright because in the bible god kills millions of people....can god be wrong?
matthelion 1 month ago
That is a complex question. It depends. I have no urge or need to kill anyone. If I were to witness a horrendous act by someone against someone I know I have to wonder if I'd kill them then and there. I might feel justified. We do murder some criminals at the state level, so we allow governors to murder and they delegate the task of murder. We murder in self defense. We go to war and murder millions of people. Still, I don't believe murder without reason is moral. And accidents do happen.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 month ago
Of course murder is wrong. The golden rule - treat others as you would be treat yourself.
Before you start, this is not a religious idea.
IamSpydaMic 1 month ago
Depends. Murder a child then you are wrong. Murder Nickelback then you are my hero.
customerjon 1 month ago
@customerjon Seconded.
IamSpydaMic 1 month ago
Under under my eyes is Wrong (im an athiest), Except if and when the intention to kill another person is to protect your friend, family or yourself. Given the immediate threat of injury or fatality to your self or others. Murder is ending someone's life and that person only deserves to be murdered if he/she intends to murder you or your friend or family. -good enough answer? :)
hoppypolo 1 month ago
You'd be better off asking Christians and Muslims this question. They have much more experience. Good luck learning about the "right" or "wrong" of murder in the bible though. It contradicts itself at least 80 times.
meridianfrost 1 month ago
It's a subjective answer. In most cases I would say it's wrong, but I, having an different opinion then others for my view of the world has led me to my subjective thinking, think there are cases where it can be accepted.
WeNeedABetterName 1 month ago
are gotcha questions wrong
how do you know
unkledanbot 1 month ago
Yes murder is by definition wrong, Murder is unjustified killing.
This solves nothing, the question is what is unjustified or justified killing.
Greathiway 2 months ago
@Greathiway Couldn't have put it better myself.
Hufflewaffle 1 month ago
Morality is based on the human's interpretations of right and wrong. Of course - the majority will believe murder is wrong (I am with them on that) - but not all. I believe that we all have unalienable rights endowed with us by our creator - our PARENTS.
BaileyNick98 2 months ago
my response video watch?v=reBy36M5aUc
kimberleyseetoes 2 months ago
Your ending another life of course it is wrong.
BedrockPorkchop 2 months ago
I know what you are trying to get at, right/ wrong being derived from religious morals... simply put there is no right and wrong...there is like and dislike. For most commuting murder is a dislike (we justify our dislike by calling it wrong). Rest-assured there are many (including religious people) who love to commit murder (they justify it as right). Sorry to say this but, your question comes from a poor understanding of your own thoughts..
Silversong88 2 months ago
It's wrong because we want to preserve our species. Now look at nature, many animals kill their own kind for survival. Is it wrong? No, it's just nature. As humans, we have compassion for other humans, but we have no problem killing other animals. Is that wrong? No, it's just nature.
ridered300 2 months ago
because you are killing someone, thats a stupid question...
PinataFreaks 2 months ago
Like being a christian makes the answer any different? you are a foul religious-hypocrite in denial of your own existence. These questions are ridiculous and amusing, you little troll.
Gorbatsjov666 2 months ago
who am I killing?
dismo77 2 months ago
You don't need religion to have morals. Murder is wrong because taking away someone else's right to life is wrong. One could even argue that murder is worse if there is no god because you are taking away that person's only chance at life (there is no afterlife in my opinion).
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Murder is wrong as you are violating someone's right to live. As the great Confucius once said: "What you do not wish for yourself, do not do to others."
TejasM14 2 months ago
there are no set rules for atheist besides the complete lack of religion or god. you constantly ask subjective questions as though there are moral codes that atheist live by. atheists are individuals and each have their own moral beliefs. It is so damn futile to ask these questions. I can say that murder is right but that certainly won't apply to all atheists.
redefiningsk8ing 2 months ago
Genetically, we are obligated to get along with one another in order to survive. Thats how a species grows. Without growth, we will die out. So yes, murder is wrong, because our mentality (which is controlled by our evolution of genes) tells us it is.
trashbash2001 2 months ago
Quick question for TheOther4815: Why are you so stupid? Please don't avoid the question.
genobahamut1337 2 months ago
Murder has two common definitions: wrongful killing or illegal killing. Lawmakers often try to eliminate the gap, but don't do so perfectly. Wrongful killing is, well, wrong. Trivially. (Though we might argue over what exactly counts as wrong.) As for illegal killing, it can be right or wrong depending on context, including the nature of the law. What I think you're trying and failing to ask is whether right or wrong can exist, as moral propositions, absent a belief in God. Short answer, yes.
Reltzik 2 months ago
To even answer yes or no to this question is to assume that right and wrong does exist. Which is an assumption many atheists seem to make.
Right, wrong, good or bad dont physically exist. All of them are there as standards, set by us, for our reasons. I would recomend Richard Dawkins : "The Selfish Gene".
gulbirk 2 months ago
@gulbirk Does that mean that what Hitler did was ok?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 Again, you are making the assumption that good and bad exists. Unless you can actually prove that there is such a thing as objective morality, this question is rather idiotic. And again, watch Richard Dawkins: Nice guys finish first.
gulbirk 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 to a select group of people it was ok
nightmarekid1986 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 Thats the point.... What Hitler did was "Right" to some just as it was "Wrong" to others. Ergo, nothing can be implicitly right or wrong. This is why even creationists interpret the Bible in different ways, some use it to justify "help" while others use it to justify "murder". It is just that a majority of people disliked the actions and implications of Hitler.
Silversong88 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 what you dont understand is everything is a point of view, to some what hitler did was right to most it was wrong, and from there what gulbirk said is right, whatever we impose on ourselves isnt right or wrong it is what it is
josefa1212 1 month ago
@TheOther4815 Yes, it clearly was ok for him otherwise he would not have done it!
Hufflewaffle 1 month ago
@TheOther4815 /watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ
Thoughts?
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@TheOther4815 "Does that mean that what Hitler did was ok?"
Well it depends on who you ask, now doesn't it! Look up the word 'objective'. There is no such thing as right and wrong from a global standpoint. Hitler was Catholic... do you think other Catholics would think what he did was right? At the time some of them did, and others didn't. Why we consider things wrong or right certainly doesn't have anything to do with an imaginary deity, that's just silly.
mooseflier 3 weeks ago
@TheOther4815 why do people always bring him up Josehp stalin killed way more people
kpg102698 1 week ago
yes it is wrong. i am an atheist. if i was a nihilist i would still say it was wrong. your question is ridiculous.
nightmarekid1986 2 months ago
@nightmarekid1986 Why is it wrong?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 stop answering every answer with a question. this isnt subject to philosophical debate. i am an athiest. im not fooled by the brainwashing of religion or fear of reprisals in the afterlife from the invisible man. murder is wrong because it is detrimental to society. by differing ourselves from the survival of the species strong vs weak idea that animals adhere to, we are able to grow intellectually and discover where we are from, which is the only reason for existence.
nightmarekid1986 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 Counter question, is slavery wrong? Do slaves have the right to rise against their masters? Do Christians have a right to be slave masters? Answer to your question, its wrong because most people in society don't want to get murdered. As many ppl have responded. It is "always" wrong? Well, we have wars, etc, etc, etc.
gejost 2 months ago
its wrong for us but thats because of how we grew up he grew up when every one said that all bad things were because of the jews which made it right for him so its all how people are raised and how the environment/people around you are like me i find murder is right as long its sum one bad like lets say that i had the opportunity to kill jack the ripper i would because he was a bad person but thats just me i cant speak for everyone so yes i find murder wrong under surcomstances
R3XBON3 1 month ago
by the way Im swedish so Im sorry if i spelled anything wrong
R3XBON3 1 month ago
@TheOther4815 Because we have a sense of morality from our upbringing?
EnterSyed 1 month ago
@TheOther4815
go to graveyard and just look at people faces than they bury them family member or friend and you'll understand why it is wrong. And if you don't then go read the bible once more and try to find other moron questions.
newpro2227 1 month ago
@TheOther4815 such a stupid question.. "why is it wrong..?" what are you trying to do here... are you just trying to convince yourself that the only reason anything is right , wrong good or bad is because god said so or something? i mean what kind of an alternative answer do you expect people to give to questions such as this that doesn't leave you enough room to make a recurring "but why? but why?"..?
KillaNinja0 1 month ago
@TheOther4815 It is wrong for an atheist, because the source of our objective morality is reason. And we know, intellectually, the implications of suffering on us, and to others. I don't do to others what I would not like to be done to myself. Christians didn't come up with that idea, and this is truth to me REGARDLESS of the existence of God. Would murder be ok with you if God didn't exist? Do you think anyone who's not a christian thinks murder is a good thing?
Ngooo 1 week ago
@TheOther4815 Asking the same question over and over to almost every commenter means you're a troll. If you're genuinely interested in the topic, read the appropriate literature and find out for yourself.
AtheistEutopia 2 months ago
Here you are trying to pull the "no morality without God" argument. Most, if not all, faiths accept murder is wrong, which proves that your Judeo-Christian (mass murderer) OT god does not have the monopoly on morality. Morality is a subjective matter, changing with times and mores and nothing to do with faith. Is wife beating wrong? Your Bible states it is perfectly legitimate.
ThomasTrue 2 months ago
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But if you think the Abrahanic god is the source for our morality, you'll have to explain why he would violate almost every one of the 10 Commandments. He was a mass murderer, and took a bizarre liking in killing children. He advocated slavery, misogyny, and found the aroma of burnt offerings, pleasing! A most strange command from him was that we must love him...and be in dread fear of him, both.
You can worship such an evil, immoral tyrant if you wish, I will never be fooled again.
Cootabux 2 months ago
quick question for you. where does murder come form ? maybe from gthe gods you support ?????
miarena111 2 months ago
The problem you have is that your morality is no more absolute than an Atheist's. For your moralilty to be absolute, it must be above your God. I don't think you'd admit that there is anything above your God. Therefore, your God subjectively decides what is right and wrong. If he says murder is right, then it's right. He could change his mind tomorrow.
CheckAllFrequencies 2 months ago
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The 10 Commandments are not the 1st set of rules man has made, then claimed their god gave it to them. And since I'm using Christianity as an example, you'd then have to determine which set of the 10 Cs were the real ones. Moses was given 2 sets, he broke the 1st set, but god lied to Moses. God said the 2nd set would be identical to the 1st...they were not!
When it comes to morality. each man, then each community, each nation, has to determine what is moral, just as it's always been done.
Cootabux 2 months ago
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Cootabux 2 months ago
murder is wrong. and murder is right. it depends on what one believes. for example, self defense. could go either way. oil. could go either way. in the name of the lord. again, could go either way. see? it all depends on the person. also, what is murder? killing a cow and eating it is what? all we know is what we want and what we do. it is NOT all the same. peace.
illusionstateofmind 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 - Are you serious? Do you actually need someone else to tell you that murder is wrong? Whether you believe in magic sky pixies or not, killing other people is morally wrong. So is rape, theft, lying and what you do: Disingenuously posting these questions to prod others because they believe differently than you do. This kind of behavior makes YOU look like a dishonest person. Is that what Christians are? By the smirk on your face I'd say you already know this.
Christheatheist1 2 months ago
I love the irony in how the questions for atheists are done in the dark and the question for ex-Christians has the lights on.
Murder, the cold-blooded, heartless, unprovoked and intentional killing of someone else is wrong because it's harmful to society. It stands to reason that not murdering is greatly more beneficial to a species and to a society than going around killing whoever you like. If it was okay to kill anyone for any reason, there would be panic and fear, and that's not good.
genobahamut1337 2 months ago
@genobahamut1337
Would that be a bad thing for something to be harmful to society?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 Wow, you actually responded... Yes, it would be a bad thing. Things are bad when they are shown to be harmful. If it effects us negatively, then it is bad. That's the definition of bad, my diluted little friend.
I'd urge you not to say anything else that's stupid, but then you would have to drop foolish notions like "it's bad because god says so" before you can ever have an actual intelligent thought.
genobahamut1337 2 months ago
@genobahamut1337 Your answer fails in that some species have murder; e.g., lions murder the cubs of a lioness after they kill her lover. Then she is ready for hot sex ... However, you are on the right track of course. Its "wrong' for functional reasons. ;)/
gejost 2 months ago
@gejost Species do what has helped them survive. In the case you speak of, the lion who wins the lioness has the most successful genes and thus the species over all would do better with that lion's genes passed on rather than the one who was beaten. A lion will not kill it's own cubs, though. To be honest, humanity is the most morally sophisticated species on the planet, so we shouldn't expect other animals to live up to that standard. After all, we can afford to be this way.
genobahamut1337 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 How do I know what?
ryanwyshynski 2 months ago
Murder is wrong in most situations. Murder has become a loaded term because new terms for permissible killing have been coined.
The ethical position is that killing a human is permissible given extenuating circumstances. Killing in self-defense, in defense of others, in time of war, and by accident all have established ethical standards for judgment.
Euthanasia is an example of something still considered murder that is being ethically evaluated. It can stop being wrong if it can be ethical,
unkledanbot 2 months ago
The question is silly... there is no definite 'right' or 'wrong'. That sort of thinking is typical of someone living in a bubble and believing that there is a definite set of right and wrongs. Ignorance breeds ignorant questions.
mooseflier 2 months ago 2
@mooseflier When is murder right?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
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Me: "The question is silly... there is no definite 'right' or 'wrong'."
TheOther4815: "When is murder right?"
Comprehension issue?
mooseflier 2 months ago
@mooseflier exactly. perfectly put.
illusionstateofmind 2 months ago
It depends on Gods mood at the time.
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Yes. Murder is wrong. You don't need an invisible daddy figure to tell you that. Something can be morally wrong outside of the religious framework.
Christheatheist1 2 months ago 2
strengthen social bonds, and maintain out primary survivability adaptation -- social solidarity. From here, society crafts rules and norms designed to codify these empathic feelings and impulses as objectively right and the conditions (when, where, and to whom they apply) under which they should be employed. It is in this latter area where we see the true philosophical development of objective morality throughout history.
kafkaOTS 2 months ago
I'm sorry to see so many dislikes. I think this is a fair question -- if you're genuinely inquisitive and not playing a game of "gotcha". That said, you have received some good answers below; I hope you take them seriously. There are many ways to answer this question, but I will choose a uniquely scientific way. We are genetically programmed to experience concern and distress at the suffering of others -- as are many upper mammals. These are evolutionary adaptations which have served to... cont.
kafkaOTS 2 months ago
I define 'murder' as the forcible taking of a life. Now I need you to define 'wrong' b/c by my definition picking a flower is 'murder' but I don't think it's very 'wrong'. I believe murder is. Just is. Some murder is morally 'wrong' by how I define 'wrong' some is not morally wrong. Like I believe killing a cow is murder but I eat meat, I also believe the Nazi's murdered ppl and that was atrocious and wrong. So it depends on your definition of these words.
tarinacj03 2 months ago
That depends who you murder, you idiot.
iRhymeWithHeaven 2 months ago
@iRhymeWithHeaven When is murder right?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 When you kill someone that will/have killed several people.
iRhymeWithHeaven 2 months ago
@iRhymeWithHeaven What about murder?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
TheOther4815
It's wrong bcuz we say it is. Our society has put laws in place which have nothing to do with theology/mythology. Morality has "never" been objective in nature, always subjective.
Do we stone disobedient kids, or people who work on the Sabbath? Christians talk one way, but act another, and don't think the biblical law is irrelevant bcuz of the new covenant. JC made it clear the law will always stand. Xians have no excuse, Why do u not follow god's laws, since u believe in his word?
Cootabux 2 months ago
@Cootabux Does that mean that what Hitler did was right because he made the laws and the laws said it was ok?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
There is no black and white answer for this. Far far FAR too much grey in that question.
humanreplica 2 months ago
@humanreplica How do you know?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
A question for theists; why is it that the ten commandments don't say anything about rape or slavery? It would seem that those two topics are every bit as relevant as baring false witness and adultery, (I would say considerably more so) and yet are excluded from the book. Thoughts?
TheN0username 2 months ago
There is no God. There is only Zuul.
Foxhound3857 2 months ago
@Foxhound3857 How do you know?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
I suspect there will be some "gotcha" coming here, but whatever...
Yes, murder is wrong.
When you understand that morality is a product of societal evolution it is clear that societies in which members murder one other are less suited for survival. Bees within a hive do not kill one another, nor do ants, piranhas and a multitude of other social creatures. Natural selection favors that cooperative communal trait.
Qillz 2 months ago 7
Again, asking why taking away the life of someone who isn't threatening to yours at the moment is wrong only makes people wonder if you know what right and wrong is.
DarkEmergence 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheOther4815
One plausible answer is this: In any given society, it doesn't matter in the least whether murder is wrong or not *IF* the social group that retains control of the most powerful weapons doesn't think it helps them. If you think there's an absolute right & wrong, it's because you've been conditioned to think so by your lamb-like fear of falling foul of gun-toting thugs.
Sorry, but there's NO absolute right & wrong.
AND I don't define myself as an atheist.
DoctorPlausible 2 months ago
I might be wrong but I'm presuming you're question comes from the 'if you don't believe in God then you can't be moral or have morality' camp.
Personally, I believe you have to start by defining 'murder' and specify what context you're thinking of because, if you ask me if murder is wrong, I'm going to have to ask you whether the Crusades or the Inquisition were wrong? So, explain that one and I'll tell you honestly what I think about murder.
Stu1027 2 months ago
Of course its wrong, yet god has asked people to murder for him?
pbrskater26 2 months ago
Murder violates what most (if not all) Atheists live by: By respecting others, you garner respect for yourself. This is a morality that humans have learned long before any religion -- that in order to exist in this world, you're going to have to cooperate with one another. If you chose to live a life of disrespect, chances are you brought disrespect upon yourself from those around you, and your likelihood of survival went down. Religion merely likes to take the credit for this morality.
BudhagRizzo 2 months ago
"Wrong" is that which is harmful to human welfare. So of course murder is wrong.
Counter question! Is murder okay if God orders it?
DandAinTac 2 months ago
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Counter question! Is murder okay if the State orders it?
adlerzwei 2 months ago
Morality argument the gift keeps on giving.
sxysuccubus 2 months ago
I murdered a roach today!!!
LIVEFRMNYC 2 months ago
yah so why did God murder his own son?
N0g0dzN0masterz 2 months ago
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"yah so why did God murder his own son?"
That's not murder, that's a sacrifice.
Sacrificing ones son on the alter to god to ask for rain and have a good crop keeps the majority alive.
So
saintpine 2 months ago
Define murder. It is a legal definition that changes through time and from country to country. Even from state to state. You are not asking a question concerning law though are you? You are asking how should we determine morals. This, in fact, is how it is with all moral questions. There are no absolute answers. Slave owners recited Biblical dogma to justify slavery in the south as abolitionists did the same thing to condemn it. A war eventually determined the answer though didn't it?
foxlake02 2 months ago
All humans have the potential for self-actualisation which is the only source of meaning and the self-actualisation of one person enriches the lives of everyone else by that person's works, deeds and example. Destruction of that potential is therefore harmful to all of humanity and thus I deem it wrong. Tell me if you only know right from wrong because God told you, how can you claim to be a moral agent? Doesn't that make you amoral?
ketsan 2 months ago
*Stares at you* Depends...
WhiteKnitter 2 months ago
The word murder is a legal term, perhaps you should have used the word killing. It is beneficial for members of a social species like humans to get along and generally coorperate or else that species would not likely survive. Simple natural selection demands a high level of cooperation. Nevertheless, killing does occur in the name of cooperation and may be acceptable when one group fights against another over resources (like food) or in self defense. Perhaps I should just say, yes and no!
BauriBob 2 months ago
I have refuted this whole objective moral thing a thousand times. Can you theists please get some new arguments.
OpenAirAtheist 2 months ago
Quick question for you, TheOther4815, if your god commanded you to murder, rather than not to, would you do it? If so, you are not actually moral. You are just obedient. If not, you are in the same position as us atheists.
Skillbus 2 months ago
@recon82nd I'm no your side dude. I'm as strong an atheist as any of us. You may have misunderstood me. I was asking this "intellectual" if he thinks that without a god telling him what he should(n't) is murder right? (hint for anyone who wants to know: It isn't) :D
Gibbons3457 2 months ago
because I'd rather go to hell knowing i'm wrong than give my life to "God" and find there's nothing in the end.
duckey03 2 months ago
People like you, who try to figure us out make me want to kick a waffle. OF COURSE Murder is wrong. We're human! not walking cyborgs who kill everything we see. Let me ask you a question. Why do you think asking us questions is relevant? Why do you have to judge everyone? Yes you're probably a christian but does that mean you have to differentiate from us? I have 4532145 of christian friends who care about me for ME! no my religion, yeah they might say. damn Erin you're going to hell. I say GOOD
duckey03 2 months ago
"Wrong" is what we call it. Piranhas don't worry about "right" and "wrong" yet they don't eat each other. Sure, we are more advanced that said fish, but the fact we (all creatures as far as I know) have this instinct tells me our common ancestor had it too. I don't get why this is hard to understand.
ryanwyshynski 2 months ago
@ryanwyshynski How do you know?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
All it takes for me to reject murder as wrong is me thinking that I would not like to live in a society where murder was widely accepted. I would not like it if other people went around trying to murder me so I had better not try to murder other people. It's called morality - but I can see here on youtube that most theists are unfamiliar with the concept, but you should try to look it up.
itsjustameme 2 months ago
Well, it does inhibit population progress.
FauxShizzle9 2 months ago
@FauxShizzle9 Is that bad?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 Well, I would say it's situational. Scenario 1: You find out your spouse is having and affair. Do you kill them? No. Relationship problems aren't a justifiable means for murder. Scenario 2: Someone who hates you is out for revenge. They break into your home one night planning to kill you. Do you kill them? Only as a last resort. It's one's right to be able to defend themselves from danger. Good or Bad? So, it isn't always evil, but it's always bad.
FauxShizzle9 2 months ago
you are an idiot
Murder being wrong has nothing to do with whether or not you believe in God or not.
MissWeirdo1992 2 months ago
@MissWeirdo1992 Could you please explain why?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
your stupid
MsPrincessCaroline 2 months ago
@MsPrincessCaroline you're**
drkaeppel 2 months ago
Your nose is slanted, you must have had it broken before. I am guessing its because you were smug and condescending to someones face.
Quick question for you, is believing in a fairy tale as truth wrong? You know most people who do that are in insane asylums. Oh wait, they are not. They are mainstream humanity.
Judicial78 2 months ago
Quick question for you.. Do you think selling your daughter, as a sex slave, is a good thing becuase your God tells you to do it? (Exodus 21:7-11)
funkyplayer4212 2 months ago
Murder, from a utilitarian stand point is also undesirable since people going around killing each other doesn't promote the general welfare of society (or the individuals for that matter). That plus empathy and sympathy are three damn good reasons not to consider murder a good thing. All I ever hear from your type (bible thumpin' theists) is murder isn't ok because your god said so. So if you thought your god changed his mind, would you start murdering people? We aren't bound by dogma, you are
vintis88 2 months ago
Of course murder is wrong, you wouldn't like to be murdered would you? So why would anyone else?
DarkAngel182 2 months ago
Depends on the page of the holly book you're reading.
rick62008 2 months ago
Shouldn't this be directed at humanists? "Atheists" is kind of general don't you think. "Atheists" can have all sorts of moral standings.
MissLoveTantei91 2 months ago
Murder is my hobby, It's the only thing I live for.
spaceman300 2 months ago
Yes, I wouldn't want it done to me so why would I do it to others. It's common sense not a biblical moral standard. Besides Gods killed enough people through genocide so whats the point when Gods got that market cornered.
Strictlypointless 2 months ago
No, murder is not wrong, because throughout history the followers of monotheistic religion have killed people left and right and God never seemed to mind.
I'm being ironic.
disneyclint 2 months ago
Yes murder is wrong, because humans are social animals who depend upon one another to survive. If a practice like murder were acceptable, our species wouldn't last very long at all.
Now a question back at you or any other Christians who may wish to answer: Is murder wrong because the bible says so, or for some other reason?
crateguy 2 months ago
This question is ill formed. You can't direct a question like this to "atheists" anymore than you can direct it to "theists". The description says nothing about what school of ethics they subscribe to. An atheist can be anything from a Utilitarian, Objectivist, Humanist, Deontologist, etc. Theists can be anything from one of the many denominations of Christianity to a Pagan, Jew, Satanist, Hindu, etc. The target of your question is too broad to get a definitive answer. Rephrase and try again.
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edgarae1 2 months ago
depends how you define murder
acewizhyde 2 months ago
It's a trick of words. By its definition murder is wrongful (illegal) killing. If someone kills someone else and it's determined not to be murder then what is agreed on is that it isn't criminally wrong to that degree.
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@Gibbons3457 Counter question: until proven that there was ever a god. Is it right now? Was it right ever?
tsunami770 2 months ago
Among members of our species and all other species that have evolved as group living animals, only freaks, mutants, faulty individuals murder.."Wrong" is not a word I use, but it feels unnatural, alien to me to murder other members of my species. (And other species' too in my case.: )
winterstellar 2 months ago
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tsunami770 2 months ago
Quick question for theists: define "wrong". Seriously. I would love to hear you get stuck in the inherently-wrong v. wrong-because-god-says-so quagmire.
Dont bother the rest of us until you have actually thought your question through you smug little tit.
Urchak 2 months ago 18
My jaw dropped.
Is this guy for real?
MythCollector 2 months ago
It's clear you don't understand that the only thing all atheists agree on is that there is no God. Each individual atheist comes to their own conclusions about everything else, including morality. To give you a simple youtube comment answer, I don't want to die. Other people don't want to die. I don't have any reason to think I'm more important than anyone else. So I respect their life, and they respect mine. However if it were self defense, or in defense of others, killing would not be immoral
TheVofR 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheOther4815
Yes: murder is wrong. I base my morality on empathetic libertarianism: since murder strongly violates both the empathetic principle and the libertarian principle, it's obviously wrong.
Counter-Question: God once asked Abraham to murder his own son. Abraham agreed. Was this the right choice? Why, or why not?
FiverBeyond 2 months ago
Is murder wrong? Let's see...
Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” Exodus 32:27
...I guess it isn't. It's a good thing I get my morals from this book and don't think for myself.
TheVofR 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheOther4815
Umm why don't you do more research before posting stupid comments?
chasingimagination1 2 months ago
Murder is great because there is no God.
ral1334 2 months ago 2
@ral1334 How do you know?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
@TheOther4815 I know because I murder people all the time. It's great fun and there's no god to stop me. The police in my neighborhood are atheists too so they don't do anything to stop me either but just cheer me on and laugh. As luck would have it, most of my victims are atheists as well so, being unaware that I'm doing anything wrong by murdering them, they don't put up a fight. I think a good time is had by all parties involved.
ral1334 2 months ago
Thats a really weird question you do know that people in other countries with different regions and for example many different gods, don't just mass murder everybody all day either right? So why would people who simply see no reason to believe in the supernatural? Why always this; morality = religion, some religious people do horrible things and some non religious, so what does that prove?.. jeez...
pegasusfreedom 2 months ago
Unless god tells me to do it, right?
tctheunbeliever 2 months ago
Quick comment: What a stupid question.
zabukazar 2 months ago
@zabukazar Why?
TheOther4815 2 months ago
Of course it is wrong.
You purposely ended another person's life that did not want to be dead.
Is the invention of your religion the only thing that keeps you from manifesting your sociopath tendencies?
AvatarOfAvatar 2 months ago
Much better (yet far more difficult) question:
Since we, as intelligent sentient beings, inherently know murder is wrong for the reasons Claire pointed out, how does god get praise despite eliminating millions of humans in the Old Testament?
Yeah. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
drgoldteef 2 months ago
If you assume murder is 'wrong', war must be 'wrong'. Why aren't theists anti-war? If you are a theist but have not condemned every war, are you inconsistent?
jjjohn 2 months ago
Quick answer: It's wrong because I don't want to be murdered, so I don't do it to other people.
alliaskis 2 months ago
Atheists Are stupid people !!!
TheLiberalPacifist 2 months ago
@TheLiberalPacifist That's not true or fair.
TheOther4815 2 months ago
@TheLiberalPacifist And people who believe in fairy stories about god and jesus are not??
AtheistEutopia 2 months ago
Oh, it's you...
Last time I saw you, you were the virgin trying to convince people how great sex is after marriage, as if you could possibly know that. And now you're asking us a question that betrays the fact that you haven't investigated any arguments towards theism at all. To put it simply kid, "murder is wrong because GAWWWWDDD said so" contains the intellectual strength of a fruitcake. Most of us have an innate empathy towards others; that's why we don't want to hurt people.
xxxThePeachxxx 2 months ago 93
@xxxThePeachxxx Don't forget that murder is ok when committed by God or his followers against people who are not his chosen people or don't grovel in the proper fashion.
cremice78 2 months ago
@xxxThePeachxxx An estimated 500,000 to 800,000 were killed in Rwanda 1994 because the catholic hutu clergy, with god's blessings said it was ok to kill tutsies. Religion says murder is wrong only to lure you in but at any point ANY barbaric act can be sanctified. It is secularism that stands against the religious from sanctifying mutilation, murder and religious wars on the planet.
tsunami770 2 months ago
@xxxThePeachxxx but dont you know that lord baby jesus put that innate empathy in our hearts lol thanks for commenting on this i dont think i ever would have found this and i really needed that laugh today...
acewizhyde 2 months ago
@xxxThePeachxxx What would we do without you.
Gibbons3457 2 months ago
I think murder is wrong because I think that harming other human beings is wrong. I don't see a need for any other explanation.