@ 1:18 ". . . the people involved are part of a well regulated militia."
That's a direct reversal of the real situation ---- the militia is "part of" the people, not the other way around. The militia is drawn from the people, and is a sub-set of the general population.
The same "people" are referenced elsewhere in the BOR, where other "rights of the people" are stated.
The adjectival phrase “well regulated” was used at the time of the Founding to describe something that was “properly functioning”, as a ”well regulated clock” kept time accurately. Today, we would say a “well trained militia”. The phrase did not mean anything like “lots of bureaucratic rules and regulations”.
It is clearly the “right of the people” which is recognized and guaranteed, not that of the militia. If that were the case, we would have a situation tantamount to the BOR saying “an army has the right to bear arms”. That arms-bearing of an army would be implicit, and not require any explicit statement.
The Question should be asked,what locations in the city are predominate in their gun problems.I have a feeling more so in certain areas than others, ohhhh and by the way,could crack have something to do with it?Most likley grandma fanny isnt shooting uncle bob,and Bishop smith isnt shooting decon jones,seems salley jane can have a civil picnic with Mallica and family, without pulling out the Gat.Can it be,that problems are allowed to happen?to cause an outcry for more guncontrole?Its a Master P
You fail to comprehend the concept of a Republic, let alone the principles of individual Liberty expressed in the Bill of Rights. Still, you insist on offering criticism of that which you do not understand. The 2nd Amendment is not intended simply to “make provision for a 'well armed militia' to overthrow the government”. It “makes provision” for the preservation of our Constitutional Republic.
"You fail to comprehend the concept of a Republic, let alone the principles of individual Liberty expressed in the Bill of Rights"
I fail to understand the paranoid delusions of a psychotic nation - and you're right.
The US seems to think that it is the only nation on earth that has a free society, and continually bleat on about their Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Australia has essentially the SAME freedoms as the US. We don't NEED guns to protect them.
“Australia has essentially the SAME freedoms as the US.” That's nice. Enjoy those freedoms for as long as they last, and protect them as best you can. No, you don't “NEED” guns. Neither do I “NEED” guns. Not against the Government. Not yet, and I hope never. For both our sakes, I hope things stay relatively peaceful --- no domestic tyranny, no foreign invasion, minimal violent crime in your country and mine --- everybody happy.
“. . . paranoid, colonial thinking”. Hardly. We ended our status as colonies and subjects of the Crown by the Revolution. We became citizens of the republic that was founded instead of subjects of a monarchy, and set our own course to the future. Meanwhile, the people in the remaining colonies continued thinking in “colony mode”.
I don't know if your Abos have anything like it, but our native American Indians have a saying, “Judge no man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins”. You do not seem to know much about America. You certainly don't know anything about me. Yet you still think you can pronounce the most outrageously ignorant judgments on an entire nation, without justification. You offer lots of conclusions, but no line of reasoning to show WHY you think what you think.
You might start by recognizing that people's views are shaped by their experiences, and your experiences may be quite different from mine or any other American's. I have never visited Australia, (although I have always wanted to) and I would certainly not presume to judge your nation in the reckless manner in which you have uttered your opinions about mine.
If you are content with your form of government, or your “state of mind”, then do both of us a favor and stay where you are. You wouldn't like it here, and we have quite enough of a problem with both legal and illegal immigration. It seems those “paranoid delusions of a psychotic nation” are very attractive to lots of people.
It states the Federal Government's aligned interest in protecting the pre-existing, inherent right of the people to keep and bear arms. An armed populace is a great protection to a Government which serves the people and conforms to the Constitution. The other side of the coin is that same populace is a great danger to a Government which would attempt to usurp the Constitution and become a tyranny.
"An armed populace is a great protection to a Government which serves the people and conforms to the Constitution. The other side of the coin is that same populace is a great danger to a Government which would attempt to usurp the Constitution and become a tyranny."
See other western societies don't NEED an armed population, or even a bill of rights, to SAVE themselves from their "TYRANNICAL" governments.
If you think democracy “a state of mind” rather than a form of government, you are right. Americans (and others who are rational and logical rather than ' mystic ') will never understand you. That does not mean that they will not understand your rational countrymen. You claim democracy is “A means to an [end], not an [end] in itself”. So is every other form of government. The goals of our Republican form of Government are stated in the preamble to the Constitution.
who made up the militia when the constitution was written the comman person, the citizen. The idea of the founding fathers was to not have a standing army but have every single person in this nation to be part of a militia that should a situation arise everyone is charged with defense of the nation.
Look people, im a country boy, but, although i would like 2 keep my firearms and am greatful that we own them, but the citizens aren't part of a well regulated militia. We technically have no right 2 bear arms, only the military, police dept, etc.
you give them in inch, they take a mile.just looks at us here in Canada, we cant even defend ourselves in our own homes without being prosecuted! i envy the american constitution, don't ever let them take it away from you
@LasagnaIsGood oh we wont. i live in indiana and in may i believe it was, they gutted the 4th amendment, which is where a cop cant search your home without a warrant. and i and alot of my friends were there with ar-15's and our sidearms calling for them to repeal that or cops that try to invade our homes will be welcomed with an unhealthy dose of 5.56. needless to say the coward who passed the law repealed it the next day. i will fight and die defending my country and the constitution so that-
@LasagnaIsGood my children can grow up in a country that isnt run by tyranical psychopaths. i love america with all my heart and i raise the flag every morning when i wake up and take it down every night at sunset. and right below that american flag there is a dont tread on me flag. and they are very very close to treading on the snake on that flag aka the people of the united states. and we will bite.
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 I asume you mean I am a liberal. No a socialist actually, like most in Canada. In our great country you can same sex marry, smoke a hoot, get health care without selling your house, don't worry about sending our sons off to war every 2 years, we can leave our doors unlocked and no guarded communities, guns are for army and cops, blah blah.........you get it. Yea I guess I am an idiot. A socialist idiot if you will.
"socialist actually" LIKE THATS BETTER? Its a good thing you exercised your capialism and bought that computer so you could come to this capitalist site. Same Sex marry is fucking gross. weed rots your brain. And your Health care system sucks ball sacks. that must be why Canadians keep coming here for healthcare, right? Canada doesnt have a military worth a fuck, Rhode Island could conquer you in 20 minutes.
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 Are you insane. One comment is logical and now this. Man you had better get on your meds. Sorry I forgot you are in the US no meds for you.
And yes any country could take us. But we live next to the US so no one plays games with us. Thanks for all them tax dollars we get for nothing.
"no guarded communities"?, Yeah you dont have a welfare cracked out nigger control problem up there. Just wait until we start bussing them and all our illegal aliens to you. You'll become racist over night.
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 Now why would you use such language. This just renforces what I have said about yanks. Until you learn to respond in a more civilized manner I really don't want any contact with you. It is unfortunate that the US has gone so far down hill that you see colours and races as different.
Good luck with history I am sure it will not treat you well.............
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 If spelling is the only critisim of my comments I have gotten the message through. Man you have to chill a bit. Twist one, go out back and get a little mellow. It's Friday and I am sure you have had a long week of looking for real work. Leave cleaning up the trailer until tomorrow and batten it down for the big storm coming. Yea the brain is a little buzzed, Sorry that spelling mistake got you so rialed up, been smoken and drinking all day, rough life being retired..
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 I actually have a few sheep skins under my belt. I don't brag. I am retired with wealth and run a small business out of my workshop that keeps me in dope and booze. I live next to the river and try to paddle my canoe a few times a week.
Welfare, unemployement and any government garbage I never had, hired people to protect me against them. 12 years in the infantry, owned a baliff service and then into big business. Life has never been better.
I'm not just starting. Im 40, spent 8 years in The Corps. got out, got a degree and now I have a good job. Ive been working since I was 8, and been shooting since earlier than that. I'll be Goddamned if someones guns are going to be taken from them
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 I guess we are from different societies. We strive to get guns off the street where as in the US the kids are carrying them in college. After serving and seeing the result of wonton violence mostly from a gun I like most Canadians are very anti gun.
I assume the variant here is we have never had them and the US has never been without them.
Given the times people will turn to the gun vesus that of hard work and or education.
An armed society is a polite society. The difference between you and me is you dont have to deal with cracked out niggers and drunkl mexicans on a daily basis but they're heading your way soon enough then let me know how you feel about guns.
@reece45 The Idiocity of removing the guns from the hand of America is ludicrous.Guns dont kill people Bad people use the guns to kill people.I you cant understand this simpleton logic your years of education is worthless.
@runninonempiy Well Sparky I will make it real simple for you. You must be a yank. The way you knuckle dragging rednecks love guns, we don't like them.
Pretty simple. Oh and by the way Sparky there were 33,000 bad people deaths in the states last year, because; and here it is, "guns don't kill people"
Get a brain get a passport and get the heck out of there, the whole country is collapsing...........And stay out of Canada!!!
@reece45 Listen up lumpy..Gun rights have been getting better, every state that incorporates a carry law sees the crime rate drop drastically..THATS A FACT,You can call me a red neck yank all you want but I live in Florida..Here lumpy You get a brain..Laws only make the good guys get in trouble..Bad guys will always have guns..With the comment get out of there that tells me you dont even live here...MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS lumpy.
@runninonempiy The murder rate with guns was the highest it ever has been last year. How can your facts substanciate that?
What's with the lumpy thing, one of your cartoon characters or are you trying to get me into a warm bath. Man you yanks are a whacky bunch. By the way any one of you rednecks south of the Canadian border are redneck yankees to us. Probably the same to most civilized countries. You know the one that ain't toting a gun..........
its extremely simple, and a no brainier militias are not the military. Militias are armed civilians. So if any ass hat wants to take that stance with you just tell them that you are in the militia, A militia of one.
@reece45 It is a fact, that you choose not to believe it makes no difference. People like you will always favor ignorance over knowledge and enlightenment. Personally I'm amazed we made it out of the dark ages so please try not to drag us back into them with your foolishness.
@Kiddeth I don't know if you are uniformed or ignorant or both. It seems typical that you yanks have a angry outlook on life and others. I don't know why it has to be a great degree of imaturity from the top down.
@reece45 Angry, child, I am not the one that started this discussion ( for lack of a better term ) with insults and bias speculation and then continued it with a second response. As far as any feelings that I may have for you the only one that comes to mind is pity. Pity because it is sad that you need to lash out at others because of you own insecurities. I hope you get the help you so desperately need.
@Kiddeth Now why would we take you yanks as we do. We are foolishly involved in your wars, guns from the US are in our cities, our economy is suffering because of yours, 33K gun deaths in the US last year. Just being associated with the US has been bad for our country.
And yes you should have pity on us living in the shadow of all of this incompetence. We are the victims!
Your government can't even put a budget together, or crush an uprising in a banana republic.
The "people" and "militia" are mentioned separately. It does not say the militia is the people, or vice versa. Ben Franklin noted that the militia, while useful in time of war, it's power may be perverted and used against "the people" in time of peace. That is what the 2nd amendment is for; to afford the "people" the ability to resist this foreseen perversion of power, in my estimation.
@reece45 I care little what the supreme court said. They voted 5-4 that we had an individual right. Do you take much stock in that? I took English in school, and I can read. I see what it says. What is so hard about that?
I see nowhere in the 2nd amendment that says the people are the militia. I DOES say the right of the PEOPLE shall not be infringed. If you want to be militia, there is no stipulation not to infringe.
@GunBigotHater It is also a 300 year old document meant for the times. As with the bible and other nice stories it did the job then. A modern person cannot take these manifestos as dogma.
You do realize it is 2011 and guns are in some demographics the root of problems and a cause of continual issues.
@reece45 I do realize the age of the document that is over 200 years old. I also realize that not following it has cost us dearly, especially the part about not becoming involved in foreign entanglements, and the limits of the federal government. Had we followed the constitution, the boring 200 year old document, we wouldn't have the federal reserve, possibly not income tax, and I'd be playing with my PPSh-41!
@GunBigotHater I cannot see the logic in being involved in issues on the other side of the world when the cities are rotting in the US. The economy is faultering, crime is rampant and yet the US has to be into everything that is not their business.
Perhaps if all the money taken from the american people in off shore wars were to be used "in country" things would be looking better.
The corporations are running the US not the people................
A well regulated militia, hmm.....I think most big wigs in office would consider a well regulated militia a terrorist organization, like the Michigan Militia. Hell, the National Guard was originally militias from every state. So if you begin to get a "militia" together in your state, get ready for the feds or CIA to show up and ask some crazy questions.
Third Amendment III No *Soldier* shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, **without the consent of the Owner**, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Second Amendment II
A well regulated *militia* being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of **the People** to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Consent vs duress, "Owner" "People" "soldier" = "militia" purpose of 2nd,. was ensure "consent" in 3rd, allowing "people" protection
We all understand that our rights come with some reasonable restriction. Our freedom of speech & press doesn't include libel, slander, yelling "fire" in a crowded theater without cause. Our right to keep & bear arms doesn't mean we can unjustifiably point guns at people like a crazy person.
But the government, and advocates of big government over the rights of individuals, want to place unjust restrictions & regulations on our rights. For example, telling us how we can store our guns at home.
The fact that they are actually arguing over this and questioning the Constitution in the first place means we are already in trouble. This is ridiculous. It's obviously liberals trying to find a loophole to satisfy the way THEY think things should be run. If they could void the Constitution and make their own rules I believe they'd do so. With disastrous results.
It's not that people have a right to bear arms, but that the govenrment doesn't have a right to restrict them. There's a fundmental difference. The constitution was written by 'the people' to give 'the government' rights, not the other way around.
Crime in D.C. is so high because criminals know that their victims are not armed. If I were a violent criminal, I would pick the City/State with the most restrictive gun laws to terrorize because it would give me the upper hand. I carry a concealed handgun daily for protection of myself and my family, and for that matter, any anti-gunners nearby who can't defend themselves
militia: A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
seems pretty clear that the founders were not talking about an army but about the people serving in a militia in conjuncture with the regular army for defense of the people.
It's worth pointing out that the militia is the people. Not the army, or national guard, or police. The people. Each and every one of us are members of the militia.
The banning of guns is a perfect example of people changing something that they can see (the handguns being taken away from law abiding citizens), ignoring what they can't see (the handguns hidden by the criminals) and feeling better about themselves. I wish they had critical thinking class at some level of education so people wouldn't be bringing up issues like this where any logical thinker with the presented evidence would make the right decision (agree that guns should not be outlawed).
The 2 A. does not "grant" the right to bear arms. Nor are any rights "granted" by the Bill of Rights.
Our rights are inherent in our nature as Humans ---- no government "grants" them, and no government can take them away.
All the BOR does is to identify and guarantee these inherent, inalienable rights, and protect them from any government action to eliminate or curtail these pre-existing rights.
@ValentineSmith61 The constitution grants me the right to bear arms...SOOOOO I went the forest killed a bear and cut its arms off. They arrested me, WTF???
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." If anyone knows best, it is our founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson.
I am a Law Abiding Citizen of the United States of America born with the rights to keep and bear arms no matter if I'm in a militia or not People listen we have the right to feel safe in our own homes why should we have to keep our own Firearms locked up in your own home if you go throw a National Investigation Criminal Background check from the Nic's when you feel out a ATF form???? Unconstitutional!!!! This kind of madness brings tears to our founding four fathers if anything people are defe
The Constitution and the bill of rights are the LAW of this FUCKING LAND I don't give a shit about your opinion on why guns should be allowed or not. It was written by the founders of this country so the citizens can protect themselves, end of story.
I am of Asian background, and in our culture, owning a gun is almost taboo Personally I'm not a big fan of guns, however that gives me no right whatsoever to infringe the rights of someone whether or not they can possess a firearm.
That very lock shown around that shotgun in this video is the very lock that came with my handgun. I put it to good use as a lock for a case where I keep my rifle ammo. All of my guns are loaded and ready to go for whenever they're needed.
"It is abundantly clear both from the discussions of this amendment contemporaneous with its proposal and adoption and those of learned writers since that this amendment, unlike those providing for protection of free speech and freedom of religion, was not adopted with individual rights in mind, but as a protection for the States in the maintenance of their militia organizations against possible encroachments by the federal power"
"The Constitution of most of our states assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
.this amendment, unlike those providing for protection of free speech and freedom of religion, was not adopted with individual rights in mind, but as a protection for the States in the maintenance of their militia organizations against possible encroachments by the federal power....."
the second amendment garentees the PEOPLE the right to keep and bear arms it doesnt say the right of the mlitia the keep and bear arms it says the right fo the people and why the people ? becuase the people who wrote the consitution just got done fighting a tyrancle state militia they are two seperate sentances and my right to keep and bear arms will not be taken away without one hell of a fight
The Supreme Court needs to examine the meaning of the word "regulate". It had a VERY different meaning in the 18th Century when the Constitution was written.
"....this amendment, unlike those providing for protection of free speech and freedom of religion, was not adopted with individual rights in mind, but as a protection for the States in the maintenance of their militia organizations against possible encroachments by the federal power....."
Do believe in the right to have arms. Have several myself. But, for those who feel that the "bear arms" means any kind of weapon. And all people have the right to carry whatever they want. Have seen those on Youtube. They need to remember that our founding fathers had musket loaders.
The founders wrote the constitution to restrain gov, not people. No one has the right to tell me what I can own, private property is the freedom this country was founded on. The gov has NO right to tell anyone what they can own as long as they are peaceful. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
@RyanR3volution So, you can "own" anything. Such as explosives, tanks, 500 lb bombs whatever. The founding fathers didn't want a totally free society. That's why laws were created. Total freedom is anarchy. Nice try.
If you can afford a $12 mil dollar tank and you are not hurting anyone, what is the problem?
The founding fathers set up a society based on freedom, free markets, and private property. There is absolutely no constitutional authority for the gov to make something illegal to own. You cannot make those weapon laws because that is a fascist concept that says that because one person does it, everyone might.
Laws can be in an anarchist society, its called the NAP, you don't know anarchy.
Closed minded? Your the one that limits everything to government, you want everyone to be a slave to those who have no right to tell me what to do. Drug laws are unconstitutional and so are gun laws.
The difference between me and you is that I mind my own business, you want to tell others what to do. I don't want those drugs but it is not my right to tell others what they cannot have.
@RyanR3volution You do have some growing up to do. It shows severely. What does a person need with a 500 lb bomb, or mustard gas , nerve gas, small a-bomb, etc.
Putting what people "need" into law is socialism and distribution, one of the biggest infringements of freedom. You have no way to tell me how someone owning mustard gas infringes on your rights. Your presuming that the person would do harmful things with it and that means that you favor slavery over freedom. I rather deal with too much liberty than too little.
Your the one that needs some mental maturity, turn off the TV and think for yourself.
@RyanR3volution Who are you? Timothy McVie? You feel people should have whatever they want. Placing laws on people is not slvery. Our founding fathers did just that. So, go back to school. Talking to those like you is a waste of time. For your mind can only hold a single thought.
@RyanR3volution You want a world that is a garden of Eden. It doesn't exists. A world that you can have anything you want. Do what you want. You don't understand slavery.Look up the Civil war. The Founding fathers did pass laws. There are laws in the Bible. Ancient civilazations.
Yes and laws can be just, your insuitating that laws destroy personal liberty and I would argue the opposite that there can be just law that people can live in a civil society and do as they please, trade, and so on but the second you infringe on another's rights, you are punished.
You obviously do not understand the founding fathers because this is the exact Jeffersonian position. You don't understand slavery because slavery did not end in the civil war.
@RyanR3volution Let's face it. You go on believing in your Utopia.For having a discussion with you is a waste of time. Your age has shown how little you do know.
Your the one living in a fairy land, you think that you can let gov tell us what to do when we are not doing anything to anyone else, who gives them that authority? lol. Not the Constitution and I do not consent. Freedom cannot survive with some tyranny.
Age has nothing to do with reason or freedom, your not logical, does not matter if I was 20 or 80 years old, you are still illogical. You are using ad homenem because you have nothing left to argue. Bible, lol. You crack me up...
With freedom comes excess, if you want to play it "safe" you are not going to have liberty. The more infringements on liberty comes room for oppression. Your no different from those who want to put limits on the 1st amendment for profanity, ban women from being top-free, and arrest people for using their drug of choice.
What a joke. The second amendment right was put in the Constitution for a reason.
I guess the gun control people need to experience being unarmed and at the hands of a raging lunatic in order to see what it like to be a defenseless sheep. To sit back and watch your family be killed or raped or beaten. Not me. I hope you will arm yourselves so your family can be safe. If you are afraid of guns don't own one but allow your neighbor to try and save your life in a moment of life and death.
The 2nd does not give me are you a right to OWN a gun !!!!! it simply tells the government you SHALL NOT Infringe upon a right that is ours given to us by our creator.
I have used firearms literally since the age of 5. I tend to wake up 100% alert when startled. I guarantee you that it would take more than an extra 3 seconds to wake up, grab my pistol, grab my key, unlock the gun, grab the mag, insert the mag, chamber a round. That is, compared to wake up, grab my loaded gun. If someone invades the sanctity of your home, do you want to give them even a 3 second advantage?
"security of a free State": in this day and age, a bunch of niggers in the hood with crackajack calibre weapons or whatever ain't gunna stop an invasion. That too is part of the 3 fold statement of the 2nd Amendment Right passed in a time when England, let alone Mexico, even France, could have invaded, perhaps successfully, and overturned the Revolution so-called. These days, need I say more? It is State Law that determines the nature of Gun Laws, not 18th Century idealism.
did that idiot say it took him 3 seconds to unlock and load a shotgun? what a liar! maybe in a lit room with the gun on a table and the key in your hand and one shell at the ready. I want to see him demonstrate his great powers of time and firearm manipulation!
@yetitracker A fucking SWAT cop could not wake up in the middle of the night, grab his shotgun outta the case, unlock the the trigger lock, and load it up in 3 fucking seconds. That weasel lawyer sure as hell wouldn't be able to.
"You're /not/ going to pull a gun on your assailant if he has a gun."
I take it you are a self defense trainer, right?
No? What a surprise.
I've taken many self defense courses, I have a state certification for conceal carry, and can tell you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
Lol to the Burglar "HOLD ON I GOTTA UNLOCK AND LOAD MY SHOTGUN"
TColeTrainT 4 days ago
that would be like saying well we have to many traffic crashs here cant drive here
swatcapt11 2 months ago
@ 1:18 ". . . the people involved are part of a well regulated militia."
That's a direct reversal of the real situation ---- the militia is "part of" the people, not the other way around. The militia is drawn from the people, and is a sub-set of the general population.
The same "people" are referenced elsewhere in the BOR, where other "rights of the people" are stated.
gmancwB 2 months ago
"Well regulated"?
The adjectival phrase “well regulated” was used at the time of the Founding to describe something that was “properly functioning”, as a ”well regulated clock” kept time accurately. Today, we would say a “well trained militia”. The phrase did not mean anything like “lots of bureaucratic rules and regulations”.
gmancwB 2 months ago
@gmancwB
It is clearly the “right of the people” which is recognized and guaranteed, not that of the militia. If that were the case, we would have a situation tantamount to the BOR saying “an army has the right to bear arms”. That arms-bearing of an army would be implicit, and not require any explicit statement.
gmancwB 2 months ago
The Question should be asked,what locations in the city are predominate in their gun problems.I have a feeling more so in certain areas than others, ohhhh and by the way,could crack have something to do with it?Most likley grandma fanny isnt shooting uncle bob,and Bishop smith isnt shooting decon jones,seems salley jane can have a civil picnic with Mallica and family, without pulling out the Gat.Can it be,that problems are allowed to happen?to cause an outcry for more guncontrole?Its a Master P
Clint45s 2 months ago
2ndAmendment makes3-4 separate statements,each thought divide by the commas
1.A well regulated Militia.
2.Being necessary to the security of a free State.
3.The right of the people to keep and bear Arms.
4.Shall not be infringed.
Don’t let the fools,fool you!Each statement is separate,and clear!Especially the 3rd part
Dosnt take a legal scholar to understand it, I understand it clearly
Lookup regulated, Means keeping up,keep pace, in other words, have same fire power as,or Equal to Gove
Clint45s 2 months ago
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Clint45s 2 months ago
The right to bear arms so that a "well regulated militia" is "necessary for the security of a free state"?
Have you Americans ever considered how INSANE that statement is?
And who "regulates" the militia?
The rest of the world is looking at your firearm homicide rate (10,000 per year) and laughing their arses off...
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Hammersley1967 2 months ago
@Hammersley1967
1) 'The right to bear arms so that a "well regulated militia" is "necessary for the security of a free state"?'
Yes, unless you think it would be better for a country to depend on a "professional Army", or perhaps mercenaries, for national defense.
2) "Have you Americans ever considered how INSANE that statement is?"
Look at your own insane statements, e. g. the one above.
3) " The rest . . ."
Same in the U K.
4) "BA . . ."
Infantile.
gmancwB 2 months ago
@gmancwB
Have you examined how insane your post is?
The rest of the world DOESN'T have proclivities in constitution that makes provisions for a "well armed militia" to overthrow the government.
That's the ENTIRE WESTERN CIVILISED WORLD.
We understand that democracy is a state of mind. A means to an ends, not an ends in itself. American's don't and never will understand that.
That's why your country is so fucked up. 10,000 firearm homicides EVERY YEAR.
4 million homeless.
SHAMEFUL
Hammersley1967 2 months ago
@Hammersley1967
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You fail to comprehend the concept of a Republic, let alone the principles of individual Liberty expressed in the Bill of Rights. Still, you insist on offering criticism of that which you do not understand. The 2nd Amendment is not intended simply to “make provision for a 'well armed militia' to overthrow the government”. It “makes provision” for the preservation of our Constitutional Republic.
ValentineSmith61 2 months ago
@ValentineSmith61
"You fail to comprehend the concept of a Republic, let alone the principles of individual Liberty expressed in the Bill of Rights"
I fail to understand the paranoid delusions of a psychotic nation - and you're right.
The US seems to think that it is the only nation on earth that has a free society, and continually bleat on about their Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Australia has essentially the SAME freedoms as the US. We don't NEED guns to protect them.
Hammersley1967 2 months ago
@Hammersley1967
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So you consider a constitutional republic to be equivalent to “. . .the paranoid delusions of a psychotic nation. . .”.
Quite a leap.
ValentineSmith61 2 months ago
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Hammersley1967 2 months ago
@Hammersley1967
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“Australia has essentially the SAME freedoms as the US.” That's nice. Enjoy those freedoms for as long as they last, and protect them as best you can. No, you don't “NEED” guns. Neither do I “NEED” guns. Not against the Government. Not yet, and I hope never. For both our sakes, I hope things stay relatively peaceful --- no domestic tyranny, no foreign invasion, minimal violent crime in your country and mine --- everybody happy.
ValentineSmith61 2 months ago
@Hammersley1967
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“. . . paranoid, colonial thinking”. Hardly. We ended our status as colonies and subjects of the Crown by the Revolution. We became citizens of the republic that was founded instead of subjects of a monarchy, and set our own course to the future. Meanwhile, the people in the remaining colonies continued thinking in “colony mode”.
ValentineSmith61 2 months ago
@Hammersley1967
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I don't know if your Abos have anything like it, but our native American Indians have a saying, “Judge no man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins”. You do not seem to know much about America. You certainly don't know anything about me. Yet you still think you can pronounce the most outrageously ignorant judgments on an entire nation, without justification. You offer lots of conclusions, but no line of reasoning to show WHY you think what you think.
ValentineSmith61 2 months ago
@Hammersley1967
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You might start by recognizing that people's views are shaped by their experiences, and your experiences may be quite different from mine or any other American's. I have never visited Australia, (although I have always wanted to) and I would certainly not presume to judge your nation in the reckless manner in which you have uttered your opinions about mine.
ValentineSmith61 2 months ago
@Hammersley1967
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If you are content with your form of government, or your “state of mind”, then do both of us a favor and stay where you are. You wouldn't like it here, and we have quite enough of a problem with both legal and illegal immigration. It seems those “paranoid delusions of a psychotic nation” are very attractive to lots of people.
G'day mate.
ValentineSmith61 2 months ago
@Hammersley1967
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It states the Federal Government's aligned interest in protecting the pre-existing, inherent right of the people to keep and bear arms. An armed populace is a great protection to a Government which serves the people and conforms to the Constitution. The other side of the coin is that same populace is a great danger to a Government which would attempt to usurp the Constitution and become a tyranny.
ValentineSmith61 2 months ago
@ValentineSmith61
"An armed populace is a great protection to a Government which serves the people and conforms to the Constitution. The other side of the coin is that same populace is a great danger to a Government which would attempt to usurp the Constitution and become a tyranny."
See other western societies don't NEED an armed population, or even a bill of rights, to SAVE themselves from their "TYRANNICAL" governments.
That's insane, paranoid, colonial thinking...
Hammersley1967 2 months ago
@Hammersley1967
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By the way, how is your violent crime rate doing? Is that gun ban thing working out for you?
ValentineSmith61 2 months ago
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@ValentineSmith61
"how is your violent crime rate doing? Is that gun ban thing working out for you?"
68 a year in the entire country...
(0.31 per 100,000 head of population.)
BTW: That's half what it was before the gun laws in 1996.
68 too many, but I'll take that over a rate nearly 10 times that (2.97 per 100,000 in the US) any day...
So, yeah, our violent crime rate is relatively OK...
The gun ban is working out pretty good for us...
Thanks for asking...
Hammersley1967 2 months ago
@Hammersley1967
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If you think democracy “a state of mind” rather than a form of government, you are right. Americans (and others who are rational and logical rather than ' mystic ') will never understand you. That does not mean that they will not understand your rational countrymen. You claim democracy is “A means to an [end], not an [end] in itself”. So is every other form of government. The goals of our Republican form of Government are stated in the preamble to the Constitution.
ValentineSmith61 2 months ago
who made up the militia when the constitution was written the comman person, the citizen. The idea of the founding fathers was to not have a standing army but have every single person in this nation to be part of a militia that should a situation arise everyone is charged with defense of the nation.
spyderc85 2 months ago
Look people, im a country boy, but, although i would like 2 keep my firearms and am greatful that we own them, but the citizens aren't part of a well regulated militia. We technically have no right 2 bear arms, only the military, police dept, etc.
BUT I STILL LOVE THEM GUNS!!!
matthewtig1 3 months ago
@matthewtig1 you clearly have no idea what the 2nd amendment means do you
spyderc85 2 months ago
Laws only control people who obey the law. Criminals will still have guns.
Really, thinking that making a law against handguns will make them go away is delusional.
junekentucky 3 months ago 2
Gun control: using both hands.
Hickeydog2365 3 months ago
All gun regulations are in violation of the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights...
sovereignliberty 3 months ago 2
you give them in inch, they take a mile.just looks at us here in Canada, we cant even defend ourselves in our own homes without being prosecuted! i envy the american constitution, don't ever let them take it away from you
LasagnaIsGood 4 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood oh we wont. i live in indiana and in may i believe it was, they gutted the 4th amendment, which is where a cop cant search your home without a warrant. and i and alot of my friends were there with ar-15's and our sidearms calling for them to repeal that or cops that try to invade our homes will be welcomed with an unhealthy dose of 5.56. needless to say the coward who passed the law repealed it the next day. i will fight and die defending my country and the constitution so that-
Grunt922 4 months ago
@Grunt922 HOOYAH!!!
matthewtig1 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood my children can grow up in a country that isnt run by tyranical psychopaths. i love america with all my heart and i raise the flag every morning when i wake up and take it down every night at sunset. and right below that american flag there is a dont tread on me flag. and they are very very close to treading on the snake on that flag aka the people of the united states. and we will bite.
Grunt922 4 months ago
BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS MILITIA BECAUSE IT IS TO PROTECT YOU FROM THE GOVERNMENT. THE PEOPLE ARE THE MILITIA.
Outrjs 5 months ago
WHO CARES WHAT YOU SAY. COME TRY AND TAKE MY GUNS AND WE ARE BOTH DYING.
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 Everybody is a tough guy with a gun in their hands. Might try using a brain every now and then.
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45
youre an idiot libtard
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 I asume you mean I am a liberal. No a socialist actually, like most in Canada. In our great country you can same sex marry, smoke a hoot, get health care without selling your house, don't worry about sending our sons off to war every 2 years, we can leave our doors unlocked and no guarded communities, guns are for army and cops, blah blah.........you get it. Yea I guess I am an idiot. A socialist idiot if you will.
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45
"socialist actually" LIKE THATS BETTER? Its a good thing you exercised your capialism and bought that computer so you could come to this capitalist site. Same Sex marry is fucking gross. weed rots your brain. And your Health care system sucks ball sacks. that must be why Canadians keep coming here for healthcare, right? Canada doesnt have a military worth a fuck, Rhode Island could conquer you in 20 minutes.
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 Are you insane. One comment is logical and now this. Man you had better get on your meds. Sorry I forgot you are in the US no meds for you.
And yes any country could take us. But we live next to the US so no one plays games with us. Thanks for all them tax dollars we get for nothing.
Yanks got to love their money...............
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45
GO HUMP SOMEONE ELSES LEG DIPSHIT
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
@reece45
"no guarded communities"?, Yeah you dont have a welfare cracked out nigger control problem up there. Just wait until we start bussing them and all our illegal aliens to you. You'll become racist over night.
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 Now why would you use such language. This just renforces what I have said about yanks. Until you learn to respond in a more civilized manner I really don't want any contact with you. It is unfortunate that the US has gone so far down hill that you see colours and races as different.
Good luck with history I am sure it will not treat you well.............
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45
No one asked you to contact me anyway. have fun with your Muslim rats over there
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 As usual a mature response from the peanut gallary. Can't talk I'm going out to the shed to smoke one.
Cheers................
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45
You do that. BTW its "gallery". See, your brain is already dying.
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 If spelling is the only critisim of my comments I have gotten the message through. Man you have to chill a bit. Twist one, go out back and get a little mellow. It's Friday and I am sure you have had a long week of looking for real work. Leave cleaning up the trailer until tomorrow and batten it down for the big storm coming. Yea the brain is a little buzzed, Sorry that spelling mistake got you so rialed up, been smoken and drinking all day, rough life being retired..
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45
I have a Masters and a great job. YOU go twist one up and wait for your liberal douchebag welfare check
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 I actually have a few sheep skins under my belt. I don't brag. I am retired with wealth and run a small business out of my workshop that keeps me in dope and booze. I live next to the river and try to paddle my canoe a few times a week.
Welfare, unemployement and any government garbage I never had, hired people to protect me against them. 12 years in the infantry, owned a baliff service and then into big business. Life has never been better.
You are just starting good luck!!!
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45
I'm not just starting. Im 40, spent 8 years in The Corps. got out, got a degree and now I have a good job. Ive been working since I was 8, and been shooting since earlier than that. I'll be Goddamned if someones guns are going to be taken from them
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
@TEHTYMEKITTEH1 I guess we are from different societies. We strive to get guns off the street where as in the US the kids are carrying them in college. After serving and seeing the result of wonton violence mostly from a gun I like most Canadians are very anti gun.
I assume the variant here is we have never had them and the US has never been without them.
Given the times people will turn to the gun vesus that of hard work and or education.
It is happening.
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45
An armed society is a polite society. The difference between you and me is you dont have to deal with cracked out niggers and drunkl mexicans on a daily basis but they're heading your way soon enough then let me know how you feel about guns.
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
@reece45 The Idiocity of removing the guns from the hand of America is ludicrous.Guns dont kill people Bad people use the guns to kill people.I you cant understand this simpleton logic your years of education is worthless.
runninonempiy 4 months ago
@runninonempiy Well Sparky I will make it real simple for you. You must be a yank. The way you knuckle dragging rednecks love guns, we don't like them.
Pretty simple. Oh and by the way Sparky there were 33,000 bad people deaths in the states last year, because; and here it is, "guns don't kill people"
Get a brain get a passport and get the heck out of there, the whole country is collapsing...........And stay out of Canada!!!
reece45 4 months ago
@reece45 Listen up lumpy..Gun rights have been getting better, every state that incorporates a carry law sees the crime rate drop drastically..THATS A FACT,You can call me a red neck yank all you want but I live in Florida..Here lumpy You get a brain..Laws only make the good guys get in trouble..Bad guys will always have guns..With the comment get out of there that tells me you dont even live here...MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS lumpy.
runninonempiy 4 months ago
@runninonempiy The murder rate with guns was the highest it ever has been last year. How can your facts substanciate that?
What's with the lumpy thing, one of your cartoon characters or are you trying to get me into a warm bath. Man you yanks are a whacky bunch. By the way any one of you rednecks south of the Canadian border are redneck yankees to us. Probably the same to most civilized countries. You know the one that ain't toting a gun..........
reece45 4 months ago
EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE GOVERNMENT ARE THE MILITIA.
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
Dude, now there are fucking unpausable ads at the top right of Youtube. Fuck Capital.
canuckleful 5 months ago
its extremely simple, and a no brainier militias are not the military. Militias are armed civilians. So if any ass hat wants to take that stance with you just tell them that you are in the militia, A militia of one.
Kiddeth 5 months ago
@Kiddeth Check your facts, you yankee redneck knuckle dragging gun nut.
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45 It is a fact, that you choose not to believe it makes no difference. People like you will always favor ignorance over knowledge and enlightenment. Personally I'm amazed we made it out of the dark ages so please try not to drag us back into them with your foolishness.
Kiddeth 5 months ago
@Kiddeth I don't know if you are uniformed or ignorant or both. It seems typical that you yanks have a angry outlook on life and others. I don't know why it has to be a great degree of imaturity from the top down.
You have proven it with your response...........
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45 Angry, child, I am not the one that started this discussion ( for lack of a better term ) with insults and bias speculation and then continued it with a second response. As far as any feelings that I may have for you the only one that comes to mind is pity. Pity because it is sad that you need to lash out at others because of you own insecurities. I hope you get the help you so desperately need.
Kiddeth 5 months ago
@Kiddeth Now why would we take you yanks as we do. We are foolishly involved in your wars, guns from the US are in our cities, our economy is suffering because of yours, 33K gun deaths in the US last year. Just being associated with the US has been bad for our country.
And yes you should have pity on us living in the shadow of all of this incompetence. We are the victims!
Your government can't even put a budget together, or crush an uprising in a banana republic.
We have free healthcare here
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45
YEAH, THE GUNS KILLED THOSE PEOPLE RIGHT?
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 5 months ago
they should lower the age to buy a fire arm from 18 to16 we let kids get their driver's license at 16 so why not a gun
jamey123456789 5 months ago
The "people" and "militia" are mentioned separately. It does not say the militia is the people, or vice versa. Ben Franklin noted that the militia, while useful in time of war, it's power may be perverted and used against "the people" in time of peace. That is what the 2nd amendment is for; to afford the "people" the ability to resist this foreseen perversion of power, in my estimation.
GunBigotHater 5 months ago
@GunBigotHater You may want to read what your supreme court says on the militia thing. Dude............
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45 I care little what the supreme court said. They voted 5-4 that we had an individual right. Do you take much stock in that? I took English in school, and I can read. I see what it says. What is so hard about that?
I see nowhere in the 2nd amendment that says the people are the militia. I DOES say the right of the PEOPLE shall not be infringed. If you want to be militia, there is no stipulation not to infringe.
GunBigotHater 5 months ago
@GunBigotHater It is also a 300 year old document meant for the times. As with the bible and other nice stories it did the job then. A modern person cannot take these manifestos as dogma.
You do realize it is 2011 and guns are in some demographics the root of problems and a cause of continual issues.
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45 I do realize the age of the document that is over 200 years old. I also realize that not following it has cost us dearly, especially the part about not becoming involved in foreign entanglements, and the limits of the federal government. Had we followed the constitution, the boring 200 year old document, we wouldn't have the federal reserve, possibly not income tax, and I'd be playing with my PPSh-41!
GunBigotHater 5 months ago
@GunBigotHater I cannot see the logic in being involved in issues on the other side of the world when the cities are rotting in the US. The economy is faultering, crime is rampant and yet the US has to be into everything that is not their business.
Perhaps if all the money taken from the american people in off shore wars were to be used "in country" things would be looking better.
The corporations are running the US not the people................
reece45 5 months ago
@reece45 I don't think I could have said it better.
GunBigotHater 5 months ago
A well regulated militia, hmm.....I think most big wigs in office would consider a well regulated militia a terrorist organization, like the Michigan Militia. Hell, the National Guard was originally militias from every state. So if you begin to get a "militia" together in your state, get ready for the feds or CIA to show up and ask some crazy questions.
thelemonlite 6 months ago
its very easy to take advantage of unarmed people so why do you think they dont want us to have them?
jesse2076 6 months ago
Do they really think that the people who use guns for crime get them in a legal way??
gyrofanclub 6 months ago
Amendment 2 guarantees "people" protection from "militia" see 3rd Amendment "soldier" vs "owner"
1RPB1 6 months ago
Third Amendment III No *Soldier* shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, **without the consent of the Owner**, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Second Amendment II
A well regulated *militia* being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of **the People** to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Consent vs duress, "Owner" "People" "soldier" = "militia" purpose of 2nd,. was ensure "consent" in 3rd, allowing "people" protection
1RPB1 6 months ago
"scholars argue the ammendent was only about militas"...did these scholars get a degree? ALL Citizens were in the milita, it was for mutal defense.
DaytonaRoadster 6 months ago
We all understand that our rights come with some reasonable restriction. Our freedom of speech & press doesn't include libel, slander, yelling "fire" in a crowded theater without cause. Our right to keep & bear arms doesn't mean we can unjustifiably point guns at people like a crazy person.
But the government, and advocates of big government over the rights of individuals, want to place unjust restrictions & regulations on our rights. For example, telling us how we can store our guns at home.
NoGuff 6 months ago
'Debates whether or not banning handguns violates the second amendment'
LOL
The sheeple go baaaah.
Grubbernaut 6 months ago
Militia is just ppl with guns. If u hav a gun, ur part of the militia. So that argument has no base.
CarbineKingClassic 6 months ago
The fact that they are actually arguing over this and questioning the Constitution in the first place means we are already in trouble. This is ridiculous. It's obviously liberals trying to find a loophole to satisfy the way THEY think things should be run. If they could void the Constitution and make their own rules I believe they'd do so. With disastrous results.
celestialobserver 6 months ago
wish i had some bear arms...
pepeboggs 6 months ago
The Constitution does not grant us rights! It guarantees them!
ninjamaster97 6 months ago
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It's not that people have a right to bear arms, but that the govenrment doesn't have a right to restrict them. There's a fundmental difference. The constitution was written by 'the people' to give 'the government' rights, not the other way around.
guyjohn59 7 months ago
about that last statement, The right to own a gun has already been established
dave2outta3 7 months ago
Crime in D.C. is so high because criminals know that their victims are not armed. If I were a violent criminal, I would pick the City/State with the most restrictive gun laws to terrorize because it would give me the upper hand. I carry a concealed handgun daily for protection of myself and my family, and for that matter, any anti-gunners nearby who can't defend themselves
macar6913 7 months ago 2
militia: A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
seems pretty clear that the founders were not talking about an army but about the people serving in a militia in conjuncture with the regular army for defense of the people.
Kiddeth 7 months ago
the dude at 1:35 is a faggot and only wants to molest your children.
AK107DX 7 months ago
@AK107DX Fortunately that faggot ass mayor didn't win re-election and is now out of office and out of a job.
centurion205 7 months ago 3
2ndAmendment makes4 separate statements, each thought divide by the commas
1.A well regulated Militia.
2.Being necessary to the security of a free State.
3.The right of the people to keep and bear Arms.
4.Shall not be infringed.
Don’t let the fools,fool you!Each statement is separate,and clear!Especially the 3rd part
Dosnt take a legal scholar to understand it, I understand it clearly
Look up regulated, Means keeping up,keep pace, in other words, have same fire power as,or Equal to Goverm
Clint45s 7 months ago 6
@Clint45s
"have same fire power as,or Equal to Gover(n)m(ent)"
Have you ever stepped out of your culture and looked (I mean REALLY looked) at how insane that statement is?
The rest of the world is looking at the US and laughing...
Hammersley1967 2 months ago
A militia is NOT the people. A militia is formed BY the people in times of need, it is not like the whole population of the US are militia, lolwtfbbq
Zamandu 7 months ago
@Zamandu At that time though there was no such thing as a federal military (which came about years later). "Miltia" at that time did mean the people.
guyjohn59 7 months ago 2
It's worth pointing out that the militia is the people. Not the army, or national guard, or police. The people. Each and every one of us are members of the militia.
PissedFechtmeister 8 months ago
The banning of guns is a perfect example of people changing something that they can see (the handguns being taken away from law abiding citizens), ignoring what they can't see (the handguns hidden by the criminals) and feeling better about themselves. I wish they had critical thinking class at some level of education so people wouldn't be bringing up issues like this where any logical thinker with the presented evidence would make the right decision (agree that guns should not be outlawed).
Thatmakessense356 8 months ago
@Thatmakessense356 It's because the state (which controls education) doesn't want people to have critical thinking skills.
PissedFechtmeister 8 months ago
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i dont care what an law says... i will keep my firearm to defend myself.
RattleheadAnthony 8 months ago
criminals dont care what the laws and rules are they are going to have handguns anyways, thats why their criminals.... duh
stratocasterbeast 8 months ago 3
1:10
The 2 A. does not "grant" the right to bear arms. Nor are any rights "granted" by the Bill of Rights.
Our rights are inherent in our nature as Humans ---- no government "grants" them, and no government can take them away.
All the BOR does is to identify and guarantee these inherent, inalienable rights, and protect them from any government action to eliminate or curtail these pre-existing rights.
ValentineSmith61 8 months ago 12
@ValentineSmith61 The constitution grants me the right to bear arms...SOOOOO I went the forest killed a bear and cut its arms off. They arrested me, WTF???
cwood4ever 4 months ago
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." If anyone knows best, it is our founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson.
a2redneck 8 months ago
Guns? I thought everybody was aloud to have bear arm T-Shirt sleeves.
peeweejj 8 months ago
I am a Law Abiding Citizen of the United States of America born with the rights to keep and bear arms no matter if I'm in a militia or not People listen we have the right to feel safe in our own homes why should we have to keep our own Firearms locked up in your own home if you go throw a National Investigation Criminal Background check from the Nic's when you feel out a ATF form???? Unconstitutional!!!! This kind of madness brings tears to our founding four fathers if anything people are defe
TBillzo7 8 months ago
The Constitution and the bill of rights are the LAW of this FUCKING LAND I don't give a shit about your opinion on why guns should be allowed or not. It was written by the founders of this country so the citizens can protect themselves, end of story.
I am of Asian background, and in our culture, owning a gun is almost taboo Personally I'm not a big fan of guns, however that gives me no right whatsoever to infringe the rights of someone whether or not they can possess a firearm.
Jamzkangster 8 months ago 19
@Jamzkangster I like you, hell you could come over and fuck my sister...
mikeyboy236 7 months ago
That very lock shown around that shotgun in this video is the very lock that came with my handgun. I put it to good use as a lock for a case where I keep my rifle ammo. All of my guns are loaded and ready to go for whenever they're needed.
EquipaPatriot 8 months ago
2ndAmendment makes4 separate statementseach thought divide by the commas
1.A well regulated Militia.
2.Being necessary to the security of a free State.
3.The right of the people to keep and bear Arms.
4.Shall not be infringed.
Don’t let the fools,fool you!Each statement is separate,and clear!Especially the 3rd part
2nd is for protection,and to take back control of a corrupt Government
Its so simple,Globalists need to create confusion
Whats the problemOfficer?LifeLibertyPursuitofHappiness
Clint45s 8 months ago 4
@Clint45s Well regulated? ha.
bringbackjericho 7 months ago
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Clint45s 8 months ago
It is a right and i urge you americans fight, to the death if needs be for your rights, because when they're gone you'll never get them back
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained in arms, is the best most natural defense of a free country. James Madison
Primeda 10 months ago
"It is abundantly clear both from the discussions of this amendment contemporaneous with its proposal and adoption and those of learned writers since that this amendment, unlike those providing for protection of free speech and freedom of religion, was not adopted with individual rights in mind, but as a protection for the States in the maintenance of their militia organizations against possible encroachments by the federal power"
United States v. Tot 1942
USAHistory1 10 months ago
@USAHistory1
"The Constitution of most of our states assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
Thomas Jefferson
TheBoberton 9 months ago
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.this amendment, unlike those providing for protection of free speech and freedom of religion, was not adopted with individual rights in mind, but as a protection for the States in the maintenance of their militia organizations against possible encroachments by the federal power....."
UNITED STATES v. TOT 1942
USAHistory1 10 months ago
the second amendment garentees the PEOPLE the right to keep and bear arms it doesnt say the right of the mlitia the keep and bear arms it says the right fo the people and why the people ? becuase the people who wrote the consitution just got done fighting a tyrancle state militia they are two seperate sentances and my right to keep and bear arms will not be taken away without one hell of a fight
1bigtarget 10 months ago
The Supreme Court needs to examine the meaning of the word "regulate". It had a VERY different meaning in the 18th Century when the Constitution was written.
ThePyro3825 10 months ago
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"....this amendment, unlike those providing for protection of free speech and freedom of religion, was not adopted with individual rights in mind, but as a protection for the States in the maintenance of their militia organizations against possible encroachments by the federal power....."
UNITED STATES v. TOT 1942
USAHistory1 10 months ago
Do believe in the right to have arms. Have several myself. But, for those who feel that the "bear arms" means any kind of weapon. And all people have the right to carry whatever they want. Have seen those on Youtube. They need to remember that our founding fathers had musket loaders.
jrwel14 11 months ago
@jrwel14
The founders wrote the constitution to restrain gov, not people. No one has the right to tell me what I can own, private property is the freedom this country was founded on. The gov has NO right to tell anyone what they can own as long as they are peaceful. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
@RyanR3volution So, you can "own" anything. Such as explosives, tanks, 500 lb bombs whatever. The founding fathers didn't want a totally free society. That's why laws were created. Total freedom is anarchy. Nice try.
jrwel14 9 months ago
@jrwel14
If you can afford a $12 mil dollar tank and you are not hurting anyone, what is the problem?
The founding fathers set up a society based on freedom, free markets, and private property. There is absolutely no constitutional authority for the gov to make something illegal to own. You cannot make those weapon laws because that is a fascist concept that says that because one person does it, everyone might.
Laws can be in an anarchist society, its called the NAP, you don't know anarchy.
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
@RyanR3volution You are a close minded fool.
jrwel14 9 months ago
@jrwel14
Closed minded? Your the one that limits everything to government, you want everyone to be a slave to those who have no right to tell me what to do. Drug laws are unconstitutional and so are gun laws.
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
@RyanR3volution So, tell you what. You go take all the meth, heroine, that your little heart desires. How's that?
jrwel14 9 months ago
@jrwel14
The difference between me and you is that I mind my own business, you want to tell others what to do. I don't want those drugs but it is not my right to tell others what they cannot have.
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
@RyanR3volution So, by your standards. Anyone can have anything they want. Be, it 500lb bombs, whatever. You need some growing up to do.
jrwel14 9 months ago
@jrwel14
Is it your right to tell others what to buy? So owning a 500lb bomb infringes on others rights how?
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
@RyanR3volution You do have some growing up to do. It shows severely. What does a person need with a 500 lb bomb, or mustard gas , nerve gas, small a-bomb, etc.
jrwel14 9 months ago
@jrwel14
Putting what people "need" into law is socialism and distribution, one of the biggest infringements of freedom. You have no way to tell me how someone owning mustard gas infringes on your rights. Your presuming that the person would do harmful things with it and that means that you favor slavery over freedom. I rather deal with too much liberty than too little.
Your the one that needs some mental maturity, turn off the TV and think for yourself.
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
@RyanR3volution Who are you? Timothy McVie? You feel people should have whatever they want. Placing laws on people is not slvery. Our founding fathers did just that. So, go back to school. Talking to those like you is a waste of time. For your mind can only hold a single thought.
jrwel14 9 months ago
@jrwel14
Timothy Mcvie was a hypocrite who stole peoples right to life.
Yes, restricting free people what to own is slavery.
The founding fathers made NO law giving the gov the power to tell you what you can and cannot own.
Cut the pressumptious shit, you are a statist and that is that. I love freedom, you want privileged slavery. Nah!
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
@RyanR3volution You want a world that is a garden of Eden. It doesn't exists. A world that you can have anything you want. Do what you want. You don't understand slavery.Look up the Civil war. The Founding fathers did pass laws. There are laws in the Bible. Ancient civilazations.
jrwel14 9 months ago
@jrwel14
Yes and laws can be just, your insuitating that laws destroy personal liberty and I would argue the opposite that there can be just law that people can live in a civil society and do as they please, trade, and so on but the second you infringe on another's rights, you are punished.
You obviously do not understand the founding fathers because this is the exact Jeffersonian position. You don't understand slavery because slavery did not end in the civil war.
Bible? WTF?
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
@RyanR3volution Let's face it. You go on believing in your Utopia.For having a discussion with you is a waste of time. Your age has shown how little you do know.
jrwel14 9 months ago
@jrwel14
Your the one living in a fairy land, you think that you can let gov tell us what to do when we are not doing anything to anyone else, who gives them that authority? lol. Not the Constitution and I do not consent. Freedom cannot survive with some tyranny.
Age has nothing to do with reason or freedom, your not logical, does not matter if I was 20 or 80 years old, you are still illogical. You are using ad homenem because you have nothing left to argue. Bible, lol. You crack me up...
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
@RyanR3volution You crack us up!
jrwel14 9 months ago
@jrwel14
With freedom comes excess, if you want to play it "safe" you are not going to have liberty. The more infringements on liberty comes room for oppression. Your no different from those who want to put limits on the 1st amendment for profanity, ban women from being top-free, and arrest people for using their drug of choice.
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
@RyanR3volution Agree, taliking to you is a waste of time. Where did your folks go wrong?
jrwel14 9 months ago
@jrwel14
My parents referred me to the pesky constitution...
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
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@RyanR3volution Will add. You being an 18 year old kid. No wonder you know so little.
jrwel14 9 months ago
283 million guns is rediculous. In the U.S. there must be a billion or more.
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romeoneverdies 11 months ago
if guns kill people, then forks made Rossie O'Donnell fat...
rustlerbadass 11 months ago
What a joke. The second amendment right was put in the Constitution for a reason.
I guess the gun control people need to experience being unarmed and at the hands of a raging lunatic in order to see what it like to be a defenseless sheep. To sit back and watch your family be killed or raped or beaten. Not me. I hope you will arm yourselves so your family can be safe. If you are afraid of guns don't own one but allow your neighbor to try and save your life in a moment of life and death.
DigitalSkyPilot 11 months ago
The 2nd does not give me are you a right to OWN a gun !!!!! it simply tells the government you SHALL NOT Infringe upon a right that is ours given to us by our creator.
jewls323 11 months ago 4
@jewls323 Yeah the right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed.
Fallout3Follower 11 months ago
@Fallout3Follower
jewls323 11 months ago
if firearms cause crimes than pencils cause misspelled words
ipwnuuuu247 1 year ago
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If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't` eat meat. If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
There are many more of these comparisons but they will not fit in this post. This was by americandream 246
trueamerica75 1 year ago
I have used firearms literally since the age of 5. I tend to wake up 100% alert when startled. I guarantee you that it would take more than an extra 3 seconds to wake up, grab my pistol, grab my key, unlock the gun, grab the mag, insert the mag, chamber a round. That is, compared to wake up, grab my loaded gun. If someone invades the sanctity of your home, do you want to give them even a 3 second advantage?
guamsst 1 year ago 3
"security of a free State": in this day and age, a bunch of niggers in the hood with crackajack calibre weapons or whatever ain't gunna stop an invasion. That too is part of the 3 fold statement of the 2nd Amendment Right passed in a time when England, let alone Mexico, even France, could have invaded, perhaps successfully, and overturned the Revolution so-called. These days, need I say more? It is State Law that determines the nature of Gun Laws, not 18th Century idealism.
Lieu3C4 1 year ago
@Lieu3C4
No, your wrong. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, no one has a right to tell me what to own whether it be a car, pot, or a gun.
No country would ever dare to invade the US but the US has terrorism directed at it because of its military empire, that is another story though.
Freedom is a lie if you cannot defend your freedom. The 2nd amendment is not about hunting rabbits, it is about fighting tyrants.
RyanR3volution 9 months ago
Nobody is takingmy guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Progunner44 1 year ago 3
How about saying no handguns for criminals?
MattIndigoWilliams 1 year ago
@MattIndigoWilliams Thank you I hate those fuckers
Progunner44 1 year ago
@MattIndigoWilliams
how would you enforce that ?
romeoneverdies 11 months ago
@romeoneverdies exactly! How do we enforce it now? So what does it have to do with law abiding citizens?
Nothing. It's all about dis-arming the law abiding citizens. More guns = less crime. My town and others proves that is a factual statement.
MattIndigoWilliams 11 months ago
did that idiot say it took him 3 seconds to unlock and load a shotgun? what a liar! maybe in a lit room with the gun on a table and the key in your hand and one shell at the ready. I want to see him demonstrate his great powers of time and firearm manipulation!
yetitracker 1 year ago 38
@yetitracker stop over thinking it. D you think he had a stop-watch on him? He was using a hyperbole just to say that it wasn't that hard.
ThatGuyOverThere428 7 months ago
@yetitracker A fucking SWAT cop could not wake up in the middle of the night, grab his shotgun outta the case, unlock the the trigger lock, and load it up in 3 fucking seconds. That weasel lawyer sure as hell wouldn't be able to.
SouthTexasHeadbanger 6 months ago
I think they forget that it's the District of ColUmbia, and not the District of ColOmbia.
pete5668 1 year ago
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"You're /not/ going to pull a gun on your assailant if he has a gun."
I take it you are a self defense trainer, right?
No? What a surprise.
I've taken many self defense courses, I have a state certification for conceal carry, and can tell you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
Verator 1 year ago
@MeerkatAirforce
"They hardly had science back then."
That's one of the most idiotic statements I've ever heard.
I won't even justify it with a response it's so stupid.
Gun ownership has no ill effect on crime rate, that's an observable fact.
The FBI crime statistics state crime rates are at a 35 year low, while gun ownership is at an all time high and gun restriction has been loosening.
You can provide no evidence to the contrary.
Verator 1 year ago 26