Jared Loughner & angry, violent black people

[scottttt24]

lmao "omg im a racist just for saying that" tickled me lol

[AthenasConquest]

sounds like obama  supporters are violent

[UTubekookdetector]

ATHENA: In the lefty world, only white, church-attending registered Republicans and gun-carrying Libertarians can be violent. Please ignore those FBI STATS, it's a conspiracy!

[hawkermustang]

Great vid. The left would say your homicide stats are are racist. This is why the media never reports on these things.

[beeshor1]

It is also easy to call one a racist when that person makes an issue that had no racial connection a racial issue. Then, to further make my point, you get an obvious racist responding to your race baiting and instead of you denouncing that in even the mildest terms, you double down by throwing in a welfare point. But, you're not a racist. Why would anyone ever think such a thing? [eyeroll]

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: Remember, you already agreed with my points in the vid. The stats are irrefutable. Your whining about drugs only undermines your position. How long has the gov't been fighting the war on drugs? There are 2 solutions to this: Let someone in the private sector fight it or quit fighting it. And yes, these urban cesspools are full of other people's money supporting this welfare state--it's done no good. If you'd like to disprove my point, give it a shot.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector I'm "whining"? Well, if I'm whining at least I'm whining with facts to support me while you're going on a baseless race crusade against liberals over gun control. You somehow have tied the Loughner issue to liberals calling for whites to be "degunned" while we have NEVER made that call. So, you're entire video is based on something that never happened thus my pointing out the straw man in my original comment. You're "whining" about something that no one has even called for.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: "You somehow have tied the Loughner issue to liberals calling for whites to be "degunned" while we have NEVER made that call." See my "assault weapons" video. Obama flip-flopped on the DC gun ban, supported (while running for IL state senate) handgun bans & supports assault weapons bans. Several other Dems are with him on that.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Well, for one thing, Obama was representing a different constituency when he was a state sen. And even that doesn't prove your claim that liberals are calling for whites to be "degunned". So, again, this entire video is built upon a fabrication.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: Nice diversion and I hope everyone notices that you didn't take issue with my points. Obama's views on gun control haven't changed, he wants to take guns away from whites like me who are no threat to anyone (all-out handgun bans will hurt me & help the gangs) but those who break into my home. I will again, reiterate, your comment that drugs are responsible (no mention of personal responsibility) for these urban cesspools is silly. It's prevalent, despite a gov't "war" on it.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Obama wants to take guns away from white people? And you know this.....how?

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Nice diversion? Remember, I initially commented on this video about your strawman argument. If anyone has diverted from THAT issue, it has been you, not me.

[beeshor1]

You have introduced a straw man into the debate. No one on the left that I'm aware of has called for gun control of merely white people. We are fully aware of the high rates of gun violence among blacks in poorer communities and that is largely why liberals have been calling for gun control in the 1st place. This Loughner issue didn't begin the debate, it only brought it back to the forefront. To make it racial says more about you than it does about liberals.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: Incorrect. It's silly to call for gun control (as many Dems have) en masse when the most violent segment of society is a Democrat voting bloc. What kind of gun legislation are you proposing? Let's see if it stands up to the Second Amend. Why punish law-abiding, white Libertarians & Conservatives because the black community can't control itself?

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector How am I incorrect in pointing out that liberals have never made gun control about race? You are now trying to redirect the issue to one that the poster wanted to bring up in the 1st place but he chose to do so by claiming that it is the left who has called for gun control among whites when in fact, what he and you are really doing is trying to call for gun control for blacks, Just say what you want to say instead of accusing liberals of what you really want to say.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: As I said previously, it's blacks, a major Democrat demographic doing the lion's share of the killing in this country--take their guns, not mine. I only use my guns to kill intruders on my property & in my house. Libs make everything into a racial issue, just look at the fallout from the Loughner ordeal. All these liberal hosts blaming white & right-wing talkers and going bonkers over the "white" Tea Party. Surely you jest? Looking at the homicide stats, do blacks need gun control?

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector I don't know where you heard any liberals making the Loughner issue a racial one where it concerns gun control. We never make gun control about race. YOU have made this about race on your own. Liberals have been calling for gun control for years precisely because of gun violence in the poorer communities and inner cities. We never made it about race. YOU HAVE.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: I wonder why these poorer communties remain poor and crime-ridden areas despite a massive influx of welfare. No need to apologize. My opinion on drugs is that people should be able to use them if they want. Do I like drugs? No! Should people be able to make their own decision to use them if they want? Yes. Back in the 1930 & before, blacks had a much lower out-of-wedlock birthrate. I agree with Sowell who said the welfare state ruined the black man.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector The welfare state isn't ruining black inner city areas. What is ruining those areas is a lack of job opportunities and a saturation of drugs in the communities. Back in the 50s and 60s, many of the areas that are predominately black neighborhoods today were white communities with loads of factory jobs within walking distance. Those jobs are no longer available to anyone, black or white. Because of "free trade" you have business moving overseas and killing once vital areas.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Also, I see that an obvious racist [MrLibTrasher] has responded to your video. I'm sure you're not surprised by this since you made this issue about race on your own while trying to blame it on liberals who have never mader gun control about race. Then if a liberal points out the obvious racism, we get accused of "playing the race card". You've got to see where this isn't a liberals fault. I see you didn't admonish the guy who made the comment. [cont.]

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: You sure cry a lot. Clowns like Sharpton & Jackson play the race card on an hourly basis. I'm giving you ladies a shot of your own medicine. Democrats think blacks can do no wrong, they coddle them, it has done no good. I was glad to see you agree (not that you had much of a choice) that blacks are the most violent segment of our society. Again, I think people should make their own choice concerning drug use. If you want to debate free trade, see me at watch?v=_gm_pZPLNvo good luck

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector You seem to be saying that if others play the race card, you will too, That's very mature of you. You have uploaded what amounts to a racist video because you have made an issue about race where there was never a racial slant. Liberals have called for gun control for years precisely because of the violence in the inner cities. Somehow, you succeeded in making it about white vs black. Congrats. You have become what you claim to abhor.

[blackien5]

@beeshor1 I'm black & I know what you mean. Blacks like that ave every excuse in the universe for their selfish, evil actions. Besides the race card, they always say "oh non-blacks do it, too." So basically they're saying if a non-black person burnt a dog to pieces, you would do it, too. Yeah, you're mature & better than everybody else because you're a follower who did what someone else did. Monkey see, monkey do. They need to grow up, seriously.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Also, I would like you to give me an example of Sharpton and Jackson playing the race card. I already know that you can do it pretty well but I would like to hear where the black leaders that you named have done so.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: Jackson accused the Packers of racism when they fired Ray Rhodes. Regularly the Tea Party is dismissed because (they believe) it's all white (Piven did this). Sharpton is playing the "there aren't enough black radio station owners" card and has refused to debate Mychal Massie on that subject. Remember the Duke Rape Case? That black woman was lying, but the media was not objective. After the truth came out, not much was said. Sharpton was piling on before the facts were in.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Well, Sharpton and Jackson are both products of a time when it was very likely that race could have played a part in the scenarios you mentioned. Are they helpful when they accuse people of being racially motivated? Most times, no. But they are a result of what happens when you reward and punish by race.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: Sharpton & Jackson are stuck in a time warp, it's not the 1950s anymore. Yes, Obama does want to take guns away from white people and even the law-abiding black ones too. As I said at the onset of our discussion, the Tea Party (I did another vid on Loughner too) was/is being blamed for various gun incidents around this country & Piven et al have accused it of being "white." I proved that the most violent people are blacks, a Democrat constituency.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Obama wants to take away guns by extending gun rights? Because that's what he did. So, tell me....just what is his plan since you seem to know his motivations so well. And just where did Piven or any other liberal call for whites to have their guns taken away? Like I said from the outset, liberals have been calling for gun control precisely because of violence in the inner cities. Everyone knows that's where blacks are.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Judging by your video and the person who commented on it, it isn't as far away from the 1950s as you would like everyone to believe. Jackson and Sharpton may be outdated but that date ain't dead.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: The Civil Rights Act passed a long time ago, it's time to move on. Piven et al called the Tea Party white and Piven et al were doing their best to blame Loughner on the Tea Party. Don't punish us "rural folk" for the errors these inner-city cesspools make. Obama extended gun rights? Huh? Obama's ultimate plan is to undermine the Second Amendment. He won't call for repeal of it, he knows that won't fly. He, the Brady Camp et al want to undermine it. See my assault weapons vid.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Yes, Obama extended gun rights by giving people the right to carry guns in parks. In fact, there was a big rally of Teabaggers who went to a park with their guns legally only because Obama made it so. Typical for these people, they were there protesting Obama OVER GUN RIGHTS!! It's just madness!!

[QuartuvLarry]

@beeshor1 Carrying guns is a right anyway, legal or not. Besides, he expects what national sovereignty laws he "allows" to be rendered moot by the UN Small Weapons Treaty. The ultimate betrayal.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: That's all you've got, people can actually carry a gun (if they have a permit) in a national park? Put that up against his flip-flop on the DC gun ban, the questionnaire that he filled out wanting to ban all handguns & his support for assault weapon bans & you don't have much. He nominated Traver to head the BATF, he's a big assault weapon ban supporter.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector That's all I've got? That's all he's done on the issue of guns since he's been president. All you've got is what he did as an Illinois state senator. As I already explained, he was representing a different constituency at that time. He hasn't banned any guns thus far as president. You seem to base all of your claims on what you THINK Obama is about. He may or may not be against assault guns but he hasn't done anything to restrict them as president.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: I see where you're going with this, but looking at Obama's statements on guns & votes on legislation throughout his entire career (one would think you'd have the same stance on guns no matter the demographics of your constituents) the logical conclusion is: He's a gun-grabber. Pretty weak argument you have there.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector How is it a weak argument to suggest that a politician represent their constituents? They are "representatives" after all. Obama may have views on gun control that you disagree with but that doesn't mean that as president he will ignore the constituents who support gun laws. Besides, this issue is largely left to the states so Obama doesn't have to weigh in here.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: My point is, a pol's views on gun control (I thought I made this clear in my last post) should be the same whether his district is predominantly black, white or Hispanic. I would argue that guns laws aren't largely left to the states because of the 2nd Amendment. If Obama doesn't have to weigh in, why then is he appointing a man (Traver) to head the BATF who is a big supporter of assault weapon bans?

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Again, you guys make accusations about people based on little to no evidence. You guys are accusing Traver of being a "big supporter of assault weapon bans" based on what? Obama hasn't reinstated the ban on assault weapons though he could have. This perception on Obama and his intentions is based on so little hard facts that it's ridiculous to me that you guys expend so much energy on the subject. Unless, of course, the goal is to smear the man politically, baseless or not.

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: "You guys are accusing Traver of being a "big supporter of assault weapon bans" based on what?" Based on Traver's words--words that came from his own mouth. I don't think a President or the BATF can institute a ban on assault weapons via executive fiat. I was taught that only Congress can make law, if assault weapons (which are just semi-auto versions of M-16s et al guns) are to be banned, Congress must pass legislation. Are you in favor of assault weapon bans?

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector What words have Traver uttered that make him a "big supporter of assault weapons bans"? And besides, if it is as you say, that Congress alone can ban assault weapons [and that is true] then why all the angst over Traver and what he allegedly said? Yes, I am in favor of assault weapons bans but I'm open to stricter laws that would make it harder for people to get them. The majority of guns that fall into the hands of gangs are purchased by people who can legally by guns [cont]

[UTubekookdetector]

BEE: See my refuting liberal talking points vid on assault weapons. Traver is indeed a supporter of those bans. Your support of assault weapon bans is seriously misguided. They're just semi-auto versions of military weapons & according to the CDC, the Clinton-era ban had no discernable impact on violent crime. Violent crime has been dropping now for several years. Prosecute straw buyers, it's that simple.

[BikeMeAustin]

@UTubekookdetector Amen brother! They need to start prosecuting straw buyers and the dealer who allowed the purchase! I was a FFL dealer for 20 years and it's blantantly obvious when someone is attempting to make a straw purchase.

[UTubekookdetector]

BIKE: I assume this happened on a regular basis (straw buyers)? I believe the left wants everyone to believe that all gun dealers just sell guns willy-nilly to anyone who wants them, I would wager most gun dealers are intelligent and can spot someone who is buying guns for nefarious reasons.

[BikeMeAustin]

@UTubekookdetector It wasn't as often as it you would think but it was still quite obvious; when someone wants to buy 5 AK-47's, 5 AR-15's etc. it's pretty damn obvious what's going on. The left want's us to beleive sooo many things that just aren't true. Most dealers are intelligent but those who do make an obvious illegal sale should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, they are only hurting the MILLIONS of other American gun owners who follow the law and act responsibly.

[UTubekookdetector]

BIKE: I guess this is a case where the leftists want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

[BikeMeAustin]

@UTubekookdetector Absolutely! 

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector and then they in turn sell them to gangbangers. These people go to states with lax gun laws and buy large amounts of weapons and bring them to cities like my hometown, Chicago, to sell to the local gangsters. What do you propose we do about that?

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Yet, you're here claiming that liberals are "playing the race card" when it is you yourself who is guilty of doing that exact thing. No liberals made the Loughner issue a racial one where gun control is concerned. Yet, one of the 1st things you did was make this about race. It's a common trait among conservatives. PROJECTION. If you have a problem with people playing the race card, I suggest you don't do it and call out the racists who may be sympathetic to your views.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Also, I apologize. I was unaware that you are the guy who uploaded this video so if my first response was confusing it was due to that oversight. Sorry.

[beeshor1]

@UTubekookdetector Also, I don't know if you're trying to insinuate that blacks can't control themselves because they are black and can't help it. Blacks are generally in areas where there is a great deal of drug trafficking going on. I'll bet that whites were killing each other in comparable numbers during Prohibition. Whenever there is an illegal trade of drugs or alcohol you will likely find high rates of gun violence.

[mugtar100]

I think people should be able to own guns as long as they have not been diagnosed with major mental illnesses or been convicted of a violent felony.

[MrLibTrasher]

Big surprise there. You can take the beast out of the bush, but you can't take the bush out of the beast! Keep 'em segregated in their inner-city enclaves and away from civilized people.

[UTubekookdetector]

BIGC: Don't you find it amusing that some of these more violent urban areas are just drowning in federal welfare dollars, yet the violence continues?

[3slimdog]

I am a Liberal/Democrat and i believe in the constitution. I believe we should be able to have firearms. LEGALLY. Take the legal firearms away from the honest citizens and the criminals will have a hay day robbing and killing us easier than they do now. What happens to the right to protect yourself if you take legal firearms away from the honest citizens? We might as well be targets, line up in front of the criminals and get it over with.

[Scoforever]

1:25

It does not beg the question. Begging the question is to do with circular reasoning. It raises the question.

[UTubekookdetector]

SCO: That's a pretty weak critique. The point I was getting at is that if we are to take guns away (as many leftists want) then let's identify those people and take those guns away. Glad you agree with the premise of the video.