@Mrcapcom20 No, it isn't a "great game". Great games aren't terribly unbalanced and unfinished and require an update less then a year, beating COD in laziness and greed. What do we want? We want Capcom to get their shit together
@chinaicepop77 They'd have to ask Marvel, and Marvel would have to ask DC and ect. That probably wouldn't happen, but if it did, that would be amazing.
@UltimaWeapon08 if you keep buying it they will think it's ok to make it with even less content with the biggest price, expect a new edition of mvc3 if they keep selling it
boycotting will force them to make a better product and give everyone their money's worth, they should be trying to please us, not the other way around, we're not there to please them
@roler42 Lack of sales =/= better games. Lack of Sales usually means lack of new content. Back in early 2000's, the last fighting game to be released by capcom before SF4 was CVS2 in 2001. By that time, Arcades were slowly dying out due to new consoles like the ps2 being released. By then, Capcom stop making fighting games until 2008. Now, by boycotting UMVC3, are you telling me capcom will release a complete version of MVC3 (even though that would technically be UMVC3 anyways)?
@UltimaWeapon08 then how come netherrealm studios released a 100% full fighting game called mortal kombat 9 despite armageddon and mk vs DC universe doing poorly? and not only that, they're also giving pack after pack of free DLC and optional characters while capcom is just filling the roster with characters only hardcore comic book fans will play?
they are going to update it again anyway, becuase you and many others let them, by boycotting they will stop releasing half-assed games
@roler42 First off, Neatherealm studios colab'd with a company called Midway to work of MK VS DC universe, then Midway went bellyup and had to sell the rights to Mortal Kombat, which neatherealm studios bought. MK9 was a reboot to the series, which is a risk for developers if the game doesn't sell well. On top of that, MK9 wasn't "complete", since the game has had MANY patches and 4 DLC characters you have to buy. The characters aren't free. The Patches were made because of balancing issues.
@UltimaWeapon08 I have different answers with fans of Capcom. I will exclude the patches since the patch update is free. Capcom fans are saying that you don't have to buy the characters in MVC3 and yet you are saying we have to buy the characters. Which is it? Buying or don't have to?
@cguevara12 What the hell are you talking about? I never said you HAVE to buy the MVC3 characters as DLC (Shuma, Jill). But, if you want to learn how the characters play/how to play against them, the best bet is to buy them. I don't how you got the impression that I said you have to buy the characters. You don't have to buy anything except the game to play the game.
@UltimaWeapon08 Netherrealm studios is made by the same employees of the now dead midway... it's the same crew but under a different name
the patches came out for free, last time i checked no company has ever charged for game patches
number 3, the patches came out ASAP, they didn't have to re-release mk9 and they didn't have to charge
characters aren't free of course, but look how much alternate content they're giving, and the characters are optional, you can buy the ones you like only
@roler42 Exactly my point. MK VS DC uni was released before Midway went bellyup. MK9 was something they worked on in order to start fresh, not because MK's franchise was doing well.
I never said the patches weren't free, but the patches are made specifically because there are balancing issues with MK9, such as infinites, broken characters, glitches, ect. And when they continue the patch the game, they're only making even more glitches and broken characters. That's not a good thing.
@roler42 Also, I never said Netherealm studios was a company with different employees.
BTW, ssf4 AE is getting a free patch. Difference with MK9's patches with this one is that Netherrealm studios doesn't know when not to patch a game and let it live. SF4 and MVC3 may be getting updates you have to pay for, but at least they let the game live in the tournament scene for more than a month.
@roler42 There is not accurate graph that shows MK9's total amount of sales, but it's estimated around over 3 million. SF4 sold 3.4 million, so that completely throws your argument out the windows. And even if MK9 did sell more than MVC3 and maybe SF4, why is that relevant to the topic at hand? Sales =/= a quality game.
@UltimaWeapon08 actually the whole sales thing apply, because as far as people who disagree with me have told me, people pick these fighters for tournaments, you would think that the more proper game for such things would be picked by the majority, how is it that mk9 not only has increased the sales but is also balanced enough for everyone to play? (casuals, hardcores, tourney enthusiasts)
and even if the graph is not accurate, how many versions had to be released to reach the 3.4m?
@roler42 You really think MK9 is a game for the casual, hardcore, and tourney enthusiasts? There are STILL infinite block strings and over 50 percent combos in the game. The learning curve for the game is high. Marvel 3's learning curve, especially if you compare it to MVC2's is low. SF4's learning curve is definitely sold towards a more casual audiance due to the relaxed controls. Both those games are tournament games while MK9 is being debated if it will live in the tournament scene.
@UltimaWeapon08 but in the end people will get around them, because they learn, that's how people learned to get around (example) cable's infinite's in mvc, or magneto's speed.
MvC3 already went to waste for tourneys and everyone has to start over because they rebalanced everything
the learning curve is sold towards casuals because in the end it's just a button masher anyone can play, unless you're hardcore or tourney guy, all you have to do is mash your way into victory
@roler42 Of course people get around that..In high level play that is. But, in terms of constantly changing the game, again, MK9 is not innocent from this because of the multiple patches they release. By you logic, MK9 is also doing something bad because people have to start over with matchups, combos, and so on due to MK9 patch changes.
Just a button masher? That was a really ignorant statement.
By the way, Cable doesn't have an Infinite that made him broken. Air h.viper beam is why he's good.
@Dragonage2ftw That was just as ignorant as his statement. There's already proof that it's not a button masher. Look at tournament level footage and tell me it's a button mashing game. If anything, please, prove to me how it IS a button masher, smartass.
@UltimaWeapon08 little kids whooping the floor on every single stage on the max difficulty, oh yeah tournaments are nice, but the game is so noob friendly you can just ditch the hard learned combos and button mash your way to victory
i've seen it with my own eyes, i played it myself, the kids at my local xbox rental can kick the ass of the owner, and the guy freaking rocks at the game
@roler42 Hard learned combos isn't even the defining way to show you're a good player. Movement, assist placement, team synergy, meter usage, zoning, xfactor usage, screen placement, and combos are a major part of the game. People who button mash there way to victory don't know what they're doing, and if you do button mash in UMVC3, 9 times out of time, you probably used your xfactor unintentionally and lost.
You say that store owner is good yet he lost to button mashers? Sure, buddy.
@UltimaWeapon08 believe whatever you want, i'm just telling you what i saw myself, the game is noob friendly, you can't deny it nor disprove it, yeah, there are combos, assists, team synergy, meter and all the strategic factors that made the game work for so many
but when it comes down to it, anyone can throw that out of the window and mash their way out
UMVC3 is capcom fixing their own mess up, i have yet to test it, but MvC3 is the noobiest game since CoD
@roler42 How is it noob friendly? You haven't even proven anything. You just stated that button mashers beat a good player (whom I highly doubt was good if he lost). How do I know you're telling the truth? I can't deny or disprove because? You have no reason. You have no proof, no point, and no evidence to help support your point. Basing it off of a story you can't prove doesn't help you, buddy.
@UltimaWeapon08 i could say the same about you when you try to use the group of gamers that are by far the minority when it comes to fighters, in the end this is just an endless argument, you want proof of what i say? you can look around you, here on youtube, googling it, it won't matter because you will deny it and disregard it as them "beating players that weren't good in the end"
i can use the same logic, this argument is just endless
@roler42 No, because the what matters here is the competitive standpoint between a FIGHTING game. 2V2 Fighters are competitive, so of course I'll be using sources regarding advance play. If this is about the common player, then the discussion is meaningless since the common player will suck at any fighting game. Mashers will mash in any fighting game and will beat certain common players, but that doesn't mean the game is mash-friendly and will lose to high-level players. You lost the discussion.
@UltimaWeapon08 the discussion is kinda pointless since you're preety much trying to use a part of the fighting comunity that is a huge minority, if you seriously think the original mvc3 was made for competitive gameplay then there wouldn't have been a need for a new retail version regardless of capcom's lies and excuses
you can keep insisting that this game is for tourney guys only, but the fact casuals can pick it up and be good at it instantly kills your argument
@roler42 The game's competitive standpoint is EXACTLY the same. The only difference is new mechanics that have nothing to do with controls, and changes to specific characters. So, if you button-mashed in MVC3, you'll get almost the same result in UMVC3. They didn't re-release and remake the game so "the game could be less button-masher friendly".
When did I say the game is only tournament worthy? Please, find the quote.
@UltimaWeapon08 that's what i understood since that's the only group you bring up so you can back up your argument wich isn't much when you look at the bigger picture of this game
@roler42 Dude, it's a fighting game. The game is meant to be competitive. Competitive does not automatically mean tournament worthy, but tournament play is the highest point of competitive play. SSBB is technically competitive, but that doesn't mean it was tournament worthy. Plus, the reason why UMVC3 was made was to benefit competitive play. If you look at the change list of the older characters, it's obvious. Phoenix, X-factor, and wolverine were toned down.
@UltimaWeapon08 plus, why should I even bring the casual players into this? They suck at the game. They will probably drop the game after a month or 2, and if they wanna really get good at it...guess what? They're not a casual player anymore :D. See the evolution?
@roler42 and what proof? Seeing a bunch of no-name players play each other on/offline? Proof would be to give me a player who is regarded as a GOOD player by many and can back up his skill, and that said player loses to someone who's just going nuts on their controller/stick. I have yet to see that, and if there is one video like that, it's probably not even that common. It's not denial of your point, your point just lacks substance.
@roler42 Also, UMVC3 and MVC3 have similar combo mechanics as MVC2. The only difference is the button scheme, and if anything, MVC2's button scheme would fit better with button mashers due to the large majority of moves that game had over MVC3/Ultimate. If you button mash against someone, all you have to do is block since they will probably accidentally use xfactor off the bat, and since level 1 xfactor isn't a threat, theres no reason to do anything except block and punish something they do.
@Dragonage2ftw Cheap and and easy =/= a button masher. Noah, although made it to EVO and got top 52, there were obvious claims that some of the matches were rigged by the player Noah played to have him win without Noahs knowledge. Plus, Noah wasn't button mashing. He just spammed St.H.
@Dragonage2ftw and it's not. It's cancellable into gamma charge to make it safer, but if you don't gamma wave (which Noah didn't at evo), it's punishable. Good players who played him did not punish it, even though it's common knowledge that it IS punishable. I'm sure some of the matches were rigged for the kid, which isn't a bad thing because he's a kid.
@UltimaWeapon08 excuse me but... what does being a kid have to do with it not being a bad thing? what kind of legitimate tournament rigs contests due to the age of ONE competitor???
please tell me how spoiling a kid during a competition is a good thing
@roler42 He's 8 or 9 years old. No one was spoiling him, but to go the biggest fighting game tournament on the planet with over 1000+ plays in the tournament for MVC3 this year, to lose horrible due to lack of knowledge of a 9 year old would crush his spirit. Why not let him take a few wins? What's wrong with letting a kid have fun? Madcatz is sponsoring Noah at the moment, even know he's not the best MVC3 player. Why? Because he's a kid and they want him to have fun with something he loves.
@roler42 Plus, he didn't win the fucking tournament, and not every match he won was a throwaway. He did legitimately beat some people, and he did lose to some very good players. He did okay against Chris G, who's a top MVC3 player from New York. The tournament itself did not rig the matches. It was certain individual players.
@roler42 Also, any game nowadays tends to be directed towards a casual audiance (except Blazblue) due to wanting higher sales. I'm not saying MK9 is a bad game, but to praise it over Capcom games by saying it was made because of successful previous games and saying it's a perfect blend for the casual and competitive audiance is down-right silly. The game has a lot of balance issues. MVC3 has wolverine,phoenix,and Xfactor, but at least it's not being debated as to if it lives as a tournament game
@UltimaWeapon08 hold your horses... i never said the game was made because of succesful previous games, fans of mk hated the 3d games, things went wrong for midway to the point they went under, please don't put words in my mouth
what i said was: mk9 was made by NR after it resurfaced from what was left of midway after it went under
mk9 is basically going back to basics while literally thinking outside the box(tell me how many fighters have what mk9 has)
@roler42 Coming from the guy who said that I said Neatherrealm studios is run by different people and you also said that I said you have to pay for MK9 patches. Mistakes happen but you put more false claims on me, sir.
@UltimaWeapon08 you said that netherrealm worked with midway for mk vs dc, you were classifying them as separate companies even though the same people were in it... and from there on we both got mixed up...
so i guess we should have started from there because as of right now we've been putting false claims on each other
@roler42 That was a typo. I meant Midway worked with DC, then Midway went bellyup and had their rights sold to Warner Bros. I just reread that statement. My mistake,but even then, THEY ARE DIFFERENT COMPANIES. Yes, they have the same employee's, but it's a different company due Neatherrealm studios being apart of Warner Bros. Regardless, stick to the topic at hand and reply to my other comment regarding the topic.
@roler42 Second, Capcom did NOT have the rights to all of Marvels characters. Marvel gave them the rights for specific character licenses they had to use for MVC3, which is why fan requested characters like Gambit and Venom are not in the game. Capcom only has control over their characters, and most of them were highly requested like Virgil and Strider.
Third, Boycotting, again, doesn't make a company release a "complete" game. On top of that, UMVC3 IS the complete version of MVC3.
@roler42 I'll answer. The reason why Netherrealm Studios brought us a 100% full fighting game is because they cater to us. They actually listen to us.
@UltimaWeapon08 and give you an actual full game with the complete experience that a fighting game can be, let your wallet do the talking, if you keep buying uncomplete games and overpriced expansions that should have been there from the begining, they're going to fall just as guitar hero did with activision
@CaptainTooner if you still wanna play it then buy it used or trade the copy of the original mvc3 if you have it, just don't pay the full price, otherwise you will be allowing capcom to give you even less while making you pay even more
I don't know what's sadder
Capcom's business choices, or their defenders fanboyism
Dragonage2ftw 5 months ago
its a great game so just cool off! its been 11 years what do you guys want a case of beer to go with the game!
Mrcapcom20 6 months ago
@Mrcapcom20 No, it isn't a "great game". Great games aren't terribly unbalanced and unfinished and require an update less then a year, beating COD in laziness and greed. What do we want? We want Capcom to get their shit together
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@chinaicepop77 They'd have to ask Marvel, and Marvel would have to ask DC and ect. That probably wouldn't happen, but if it did, that would be amazing.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@chinaicepop77 MVC2 son. Magnus, Storm, Sent. All day :D
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
I'll buy the game brandspakin new. Boycotting it will do nothing but stop the production of fighting games/updates in the future.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 if you keep buying it they will think it's ok to make it with even less content with the biggest price, expect a new edition of mvc3 if they keep selling it
boycotting will force them to make a better product and give everyone their money's worth, they should be trying to please us, not the other way around, we're not there to please them
roler42 6 months ago
@roler42 Lack of sales =/= better games. Lack of Sales usually means lack of new content. Back in early 2000's, the last fighting game to be released by capcom before SF4 was CVS2 in 2001. By that time, Arcades were slowly dying out due to new consoles like the ps2 being released. By then, Capcom stop making fighting games until 2008. Now, by boycotting UMVC3, are you telling me capcom will release a complete version of MVC3 (even though that would technically be UMVC3 anyways)?
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 then how come netherrealm studios released a 100% full fighting game called mortal kombat 9 despite armageddon and mk vs DC universe doing poorly? and not only that, they're also giving pack after pack of free DLC and optional characters while capcom is just filling the roster with characters only hardcore comic book fans will play?
they are going to update it again anyway, becuase you and many others let them, by boycotting they will stop releasing half-assed games
roler42 6 months ago
@roler42 First off, Neatherealm studios colab'd with a company called Midway to work of MK VS DC universe, then Midway went bellyup and had to sell the rights to Mortal Kombat, which neatherealm studios bought. MK9 was a reboot to the series, which is a risk for developers if the game doesn't sell well. On top of that, MK9 wasn't "complete", since the game has had MANY patches and 4 DLC characters you have to buy. The characters aren't free. The Patches were made because of balancing issues.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 I have different answers with fans of Capcom. I will exclude the patches since the patch update is free. Capcom fans are saying that you don't have to buy the characters in MVC3 and yet you are saying we have to buy the characters. Which is it? Buying or don't have to?
cguevara12 6 months ago
@cguevara12 What the hell are you talking about? I never said you HAVE to buy the MVC3 characters as DLC (Shuma, Jill). But, if you want to learn how the characters play/how to play against them, the best bet is to buy them. I don't how you got the impression that I said you have to buy the characters. You don't have to buy anything except the game to play the game.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 Netherrealm studios is made by the same employees of the now dead midway... it's the same crew but under a different name
the patches came out for free, last time i checked no company has ever charged for game patches
number 3, the patches came out ASAP, they didn't have to re-release mk9 and they didn't have to charge
characters aren't free of course, but look how much alternate content they're giving, and the characters are optional, you can buy the ones you like only
roler42 6 months ago
@roler42 Exactly my point. MK VS DC uni was released before Midway went bellyup. MK9 was something they worked on in order to start fresh, not because MK's franchise was doing well.
I never said the patches weren't free, but the patches are made specifically because there are balancing issues with MK9, such as infinites, broken characters, glitches, ect. And when they continue the patch the game, they're only making even more glitches and broken characters. That's not a good thing.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@roler42 Also, I never said Netherealm studios was a company with different employees.
BTW, ssf4 AE is getting a free patch. Difference with MK9's patches with this one is that Netherrealm studios doesn't know when not to patch a game and let it live. SF4 and MVC3 may be getting updates you have to pay for, but at least they let the game live in the tournament scene for more than a month.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 is that why mortal kombat 9 has sold 3 million copies basically outselling marvel vs capcom 3 and street figther 4?
roler42 6 months ago
@roler42 There is not accurate graph that shows MK9's total amount of sales, but it's estimated around over 3 million. SF4 sold 3.4 million, so that completely throws your argument out the windows. And even if MK9 did sell more than MVC3 and maybe SF4, why is that relevant to the topic at hand? Sales =/= a quality game.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 actually the whole sales thing apply, because as far as people who disagree with me have told me, people pick these fighters for tournaments, you would think that the more proper game for such things would be picked by the majority, how is it that mk9 not only has increased the sales but is also balanced enough for everyone to play? (casuals, hardcores, tourney enthusiasts)
and even if the graph is not accurate, how many versions had to be released to reach the 3.4m?
roler42 6 months ago
@roler42 You really think MK9 is a game for the casual, hardcore, and tourney enthusiasts? There are STILL infinite block strings and over 50 percent combos in the game. The learning curve for the game is high. Marvel 3's learning curve, especially if you compare it to MVC2's is low. SF4's learning curve is definitely sold towards a more casual audiance due to the relaxed controls. Both those games are tournament games while MK9 is being debated if it will live in the tournament scene.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 but in the end people will get around them, because they learn, that's how people learned to get around (example) cable's infinite's in mvc, or magneto's speed.
MvC3 already went to waste for tourneys and everyone has to start over because they rebalanced everything
the learning curve is sold towards casuals because in the end it's just a button masher anyone can play, unless you're hardcore or tourney guy, all you have to do is mash your way into victory
roler42 6 months ago
@roler42 Of course people get around that..In high level play that is. But, in terms of constantly changing the game, again, MK9 is not innocent from this because of the multiple patches they release. By you logic, MK9 is also doing something bad because people have to start over with matchups, combos, and so on due to MK9 patch changes.
Just a button masher? That was a really ignorant statement.
By the way, Cable doesn't have an Infinite that made him broken. Air h.viper beam is why he's good.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 No, it's not an ignorant statement. It's a button masher. Prove him wrong
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UltimaWeapon08 3 months ago
@Dragonage2ftw That was just as ignorant as his statement. There's already proof that it's not a button masher. Look at tournament level footage and tell me it's a button mashing game. If anything, please, prove to me how it IS a button masher, smartass.
UltimaWeapon08 3 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 little kids whooping the floor on every single stage on the max difficulty, oh yeah tournaments are nice, but the game is so noob friendly you can just ditch the hard learned combos and button mash your way to victory
i've seen it with my own eyes, i played it myself, the kids at my local xbox rental can kick the ass of the owner, and the guy freaking rocks at the game
roler42 3 months ago
@roler42 Hard learned combos isn't even the defining way to show you're a good player. Movement, assist placement, team synergy, meter usage, zoning, xfactor usage, screen placement, and combos are a major part of the game. People who button mash there way to victory don't know what they're doing, and if you do button mash in UMVC3, 9 times out of time, you probably used your xfactor unintentionally and lost.
You say that store owner is good yet he lost to button mashers? Sure, buddy.
UltimaWeapon08 3 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 believe whatever you want, i'm just telling you what i saw myself, the game is noob friendly, you can't deny it nor disprove it, yeah, there are combos, assists, team synergy, meter and all the strategic factors that made the game work for so many
but when it comes down to it, anyone can throw that out of the window and mash their way out
UMVC3 is capcom fixing their own mess up, i have yet to test it, but MvC3 is the noobiest game since CoD
roler42 3 months ago
@roler42 How is it noob friendly? You haven't even proven anything. You just stated that button mashers beat a good player (whom I highly doubt was good if he lost). How do I know you're telling the truth? I can't deny or disprove because? You have no reason. You have no proof, no point, and no evidence to help support your point. Basing it off of a story you can't prove doesn't help you, buddy.
UltimaWeapon08 3 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 i could say the same about you when you try to use the group of gamers that are by far the minority when it comes to fighters, in the end this is just an endless argument, you want proof of what i say? you can look around you, here on youtube, googling it, it won't matter because you will deny it and disregard it as them "beating players that weren't good in the end"
i can use the same logic, this argument is just endless
roler42 3 months ago
@roler42 No, because the what matters here is the competitive standpoint between a FIGHTING game. 2V2 Fighters are competitive, so of course I'll be using sources regarding advance play. If this is about the common player, then the discussion is meaningless since the common player will suck at any fighting game. Mashers will mash in any fighting game and will beat certain common players, but that doesn't mean the game is mash-friendly and will lose to high-level players. You lost the discussion.
UltimaWeapon08 3 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 the discussion is kinda pointless since you're preety much trying to use a part of the fighting comunity that is a huge minority, if you seriously think the original mvc3 was made for competitive gameplay then there wouldn't have been a need for a new retail version regardless of capcom's lies and excuses
you can keep insisting that this game is for tourney guys only, but the fact casuals can pick it up and be good at it instantly kills your argument
roler42 3 months ago
@roler42 The game's competitive standpoint is EXACTLY the same. The only difference is new mechanics that have nothing to do with controls, and changes to specific characters. So, if you button-mashed in MVC3, you'll get almost the same result in UMVC3. They didn't re-release and remake the game so "the game could be less button-masher friendly".
When did I say the game is only tournament worthy? Please, find the quote.
UltimaWeapon08 3 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 that's what i understood since that's the only group you bring up so you can back up your argument wich isn't much when you look at the bigger picture of this game
roler42 3 months ago
@roler42 Dude, it's a fighting game. The game is meant to be competitive. Competitive does not automatically mean tournament worthy, but tournament play is the highest point of competitive play. SSBB is technically competitive, but that doesn't mean it was tournament worthy. Plus, the reason why UMVC3 was made was to benefit competitive play. If you look at the change list of the older characters, it's obvious. Phoenix, X-factor, and wolverine were toned down.
UltimaWeapon08 3 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 plus, why should I even bring the casual players into this? They suck at the game. They will probably drop the game after a month or 2, and if they wanna really get good at it...guess what? They're not a casual player anymore :D. See the evolution?
UltimaWeapon08 3 months ago
@roler42 and what proof? Seeing a bunch of no-name players play each other on/offline? Proof would be to give me a player who is regarded as a GOOD player by many and can back up his skill, and that said player loses to someone who's just going nuts on their controller/stick. I have yet to see that, and if there is one video like that, it's probably not even that common. It's not denial of your point, your point just lacks substance.
UltimaWeapon08 3 months ago
@roler42 Also, UMVC3 and MVC3 have similar combo mechanics as MVC2. The only difference is the button scheme, and if anything, MVC2's button scheme would fit better with button mashers due to the large majority of moves that game had over MVC3/Ultimate. If you button mash against someone, all you have to do is block since they will probably accidentally use xfactor off the bat, and since level 1 xfactor isn't a threat, theres no reason to do anything except block and punish something they do.
UltimaWeapon08 3 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 Considering how Justin Wong said MVC3 was "cheap and easy" and how an 8 year old made it to evo this year, I'd say it's button mashy.
Dragonage2ftw 3 months ago
@Dragonage2ftw Cheap and and easy =/= a button masher. Noah, although made it to EVO and got top 52, there were obvious claims that some of the matches were rigged by the player Noah played to have him win without Noahs knowledge. Plus, Noah wasn't button mashing. He just spammed St.H.
UltimaWeapon08 3 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 Exactly. Spamming ST.H shouldn't be an effective tactic in a tournement, much less evo.
Dragonage2ftw 2 months ago
@Dragonage2ftw and it's not. It's cancellable into gamma charge to make it safer, but if you don't gamma wave (which Noah didn't at evo), it's punishable. Good players who played him did not punish it, even though it's common knowledge that it IS punishable. I'm sure some of the matches were rigged for the kid, which isn't a bad thing because he's a kid.
UltimaWeapon08 2 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 excuse me but... what does being a kid have to do with it not being a bad thing? what kind of legitimate tournament rigs contests due to the age of ONE competitor???
please tell me how spoiling a kid during a competition is a good thing
roler42 2 months ago
@roler42 He's 8 or 9 years old. No one was spoiling him, but to go the biggest fighting game tournament on the planet with over 1000+ plays in the tournament for MVC3 this year, to lose horrible due to lack of knowledge of a 9 year old would crush his spirit. Why not let him take a few wins? What's wrong with letting a kid have fun? Madcatz is sponsoring Noah at the moment, even know he's not the best MVC3 player. Why? Because he's a kid and they want him to have fun with something he loves.
UltimaWeapon08 2 months ago
@roler42 Plus, he didn't win the fucking tournament, and not every match he won was a throwaway. He did legitimately beat some people, and he did lose to some very good players. He did okay against Chris G, who's a top MVC3 player from New York. The tournament itself did not rig the matches. It was certain individual players.
UltimaWeapon08 2 months ago
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UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@roler42 Also, any game nowadays tends to be directed towards a casual audiance (except Blazblue) due to wanting higher sales. I'm not saying MK9 is a bad game, but to praise it over Capcom games by saying it was made because of successful previous games and saying it's a perfect blend for the casual and competitive audiance is down-right silly. The game has a lot of balance issues. MVC3 has wolverine,phoenix,and Xfactor, but at least it's not being debated as to if it lives as a tournament game
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 hold your horses... i never said the game was made because of succesful previous games, fans of mk hated the 3d games, things went wrong for midway to the point they went under, please don't put words in my mouth
what i said was: mk9 was made by NR after it resurfaced from what was left of midway after it went under
mk9 is basically going back to basics while literally thinking outside the box(tell me how many fighters have what mk9 has)
roler42 6 months ago
@roler42 Coming from the guy who said that I said Neatherrealm studios is run by different people and you also said that I said you have to pay for MK9 patches. Mistakes happen but you put more false claims on me, sir.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 you said that netherrealm worked with midway for mk vs dc, you were classifying them as separate companies even though the same people were in it... and from there on we both got mixed up...
so i guess we should have started from there because as of right now we've been putting false claims on each other
roler42 6 months ago
@roler42 That was a typo. I meant Midway worked with DC, then Midway went bellyup and had their rights sold to Warner Bros. I just reread that statement. My mistake,but even then, THEY ARE DIFFERENT COMPANIES. Yes, they have the same employee's, but it's a different company due Neatherrealm studios being apart of Warner Bros. Regardless, stick to the topic at hand and reply to my other comment regarding the topic.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@roler42 Second, Capcom did NOT have the rights to all of Marvels characters. Marvel gave them the rights for specific character licenses they had to use for MVC3, which is why fan requested characters like Gambit and Venom are not in the game. Capcom only has control over their characters, and most of them were highly requested like Virgil and Strider.
Third, Boycotting, again, doesn't make a company release a "complete" game. On top of that, UMVC3 IS the complete version of MVC3.
UltimaWeapon08 6 months ago
@roler42 I'll answer. The reason why Netherrealm Studios brought us a 100% full fighting game is because they cater to us. They actually listen to us.
cguevara12 6 months ago
@UltimaWeapon08 and give you an actual full game with the complete experience that a fighting game can be, let your wallet do the talking, if you keep buying uncomplete games and overpriced expansions that should have been there from the begining, they're going to fall just as guitar hero did with activision
roler42 6 months ago
@Iskold232 yup
roler42 6 months ago
I'm still buying the game.
CaptainTooner 6 months ago
@CaptainTooner if you still wanna play it then buy it used or trade the copy of the original mvc3 if you have it, just don't pay the full price, otherwise you will be allowing capcom to give you even less while making you pay even more
roler42 6 months ago
@roler42 Sorry but I already preordered. Gonna get a free costume pack.
CaptainTooner 6 months ago
@CaptainTooner ah well, just keep in mind what me and many others have said if they release another version of marvel vs capcom 3
in the meantime... enjoy the game =)
roler42 6 months ago
@roler42 I will. I shall enjoy playing as Strider and Hawkeye.
CaptainTooner 6 months ago