When I first used linux it was KDE and I prefered it to gnome for a long time until I tried ubuntu and eventually I stopped liking KDE.
However KDE4 has really done well and I used it for quite a while when 4.2 came out although I've gone back because it was too slow, but I really got to like the functionality as well as the look and feel.
I used to prefer gnome before i ever used kde becuse, of people like you who don't know anything about kde but knock it for complete lies like the it is slow and ustable. Fair enough kde 4.0 was ustable and slow but it was not meant to be used.
I been a long time user of KDE and KDE 4.1 just sucks they completely muck it up and destroyed the interface I removed it after an hour.
From insisting every fracking thing on the desktop be a folder flying in the face of what is done in every other UI including their own past version to that crappy dolphin file browser.
If this is the future then the future looks like dog shit.
I never thought Gnome and XFCE would some day be better but they are.
ive been using gnome for a long time now. its great. i havent tried kde yet so i downloaded the kde interface for ubuntu an hour ago and it does crash more, is slower, and it doesnt flow together as well as gnome. as you say, GNOME FTW!
You can't expect it to be as stable as Gnome 2.22.x or KDE 3.5.9... yet... give it time, Rome wasn't built in a day.
Having said this, I've been running KDE 4.1 for a few weeks now on a Kubuntu system and although it still appeared glitchy at first, it has improved with every new round of updates. Its still missing some pieces of functionality, but it has become quite stable.
This desktop, with its all new frameworks and shell is 'future ready'. Gnome is yet to cross this bridge.
Newbies will hate it? How the hell do you know what newbies want.
I dont like gnome, too simple. i like fucking and messing around with shit. Gnome doesnt cut it for me. Before you go saying this and that, think that other people have different needs to you.
I used to like KDE, but when KDE4 happened, that whole mess, and more importantly the reaction of KDE devs to legit criticisms have steered me away from it pretty much for good. Gnome is nice, easy to use, and has plenty of apps. Also, any and all KDE apps will run just fine in gnome.
Yes you are right with me! KDE 4 is trying to change their whole reputation, why couldn't they just add new features and polish it a little bit instead of starting over and creating a new desktop envirnment that's totally unstable! KDE isn't what it used to be!
They are rethinking the desktop, because they wanted to, and because they can. KDE users wanted them to as well. And we like it. You're a GNOME fanboy who bases his analysis on alpha distro's, you fail, you don't get a say in the matter.
And KDE isn't what it used to be ? GOOD ! KDE 4.1 is way better than 3.5 and will continue to build on its solid foundations well into the future.
Enjoy your not so free Mono/Moonlight/Silverlight/C#/Novell/Microsoft koolaid.
You know you can use whatever you want to use, no you can't call me a failure, your a fanboy! Fanboy of KDE! Ha! You said KDE is the best and that there rethinking the desktop! A non-fanboy would just say use what you want to use!
I can't use KDE, the taskbar is Windows like and way to big. The window list is super scrunched and I have had nothing but trouble navigating through it. I found it 2x harder to use than gnome, and 2x more unstable. The last thing I need is another explorer-like window manager.
Stay quiet if you don't have nothing to back up your opinion.
KDE 3.5.x is as stable as GNOME 2.x. KDE 4.1 is less stable than both, but it is far more innovative, it has almost all KDE 3.5 features (which are far more than those found on GNOME to be fair). Not to mention that the GNOME application are lacking a bunch of features.
BTW, the taskbar can be resize very easily, if you can't do that, then you're the problem, it seems that you don't have the specifications needed by KDE ;)
What features is gnome lacking? I haven't really noticed any problems with gnome. KDE crashes on me all the time (4.1). I do like KDEnlive and a Amarok however. I'm always open to new suggestions, so why should I convert to KDE?
I don't give a shit if you want to convert or no, I sincerely don't care, I just dislike trolls without arguments or anything backing up their "opinions".
GNOME itself isn't lacking, but it's application are quite poor at the side of those of KDE, OS X and Windows itself, with the clearly exception of The Gimp.
Nautilus, Exaile, Rhythmbox, F-Spot, Image Viewer, Brasero, and pretty much any application you can think off, this, without even counting the customization options.
If Mono encumbered GNOME along with Miguel de Icaza's mutual Microsoft admiration society who don't care about Free Software but who'd rather pat him on the back for travesties like Moonlight is "the future" of the free software desktop, then the free software desktop has no future.
If you care about GNOME as a free desktop, then do something about the poisonous trojans within who are infecting GNOME with ticking patent timebombs.
KDE 4.1 is the most significant upgrade of any free software desktop today. It's outstanding for reasons that go way beyond the look. Security is not ignored by the KDE community, this is baseless. There's no difference between KDE 3.5.9 and GNOME 2.22.2 for stability. KDE4 has gone through a rough period of instability, this was simply unavoidable. Every great software project must at some stage go through this kind of transition. If you like GNOME, ok, but personal preference is all it is.
PClOS is a KDE distro but it has gnome versions. I might try gnome. I mainly use windows now but Linux is awesome, I used Ubuntu Linux 7.10 through live CD, knoppix live CD and PClOS 2007 big daddy as my main os but not anymore... I want a mac badly because I can't stand windows but w/e. Linux and Windows ftw... Mac ftw (for GFX).
I ran Fedora which had KDE, and it was just so, so, SO bloated. It just had this massive taskbar, and ugh, I just did not like it one bit. Then I installed Open Suse which had GNOME, and I could actually use it. IDK if it was just Fedora, I have seen some other distro's running KDE, they were still bloated, IMHO. I know I'm only talking about the actual UI, but, I've always thought that was what KDE's main goal was, and I hate it, lol. IDK a lot about it, so, I might sound like a prejudice noob.
Its not, actually. It has extensive integrated libraries, but this means KDE apps are smaller and reuse the same code instead of needlessly duplicating it. The result is that once you have fired up a few apps you use less RAM than other desktops (fact, not emotion).
"It just had this massive taskbar"
Its the panel, and its easy to resize it any way you like.
And I personally wouldn't recommend Fedora to the average home user (sorry Fedora fans).
Y'ah. I just find the UI bloated, IMO. And don't judge me like that. How do you know I'm the average home user? You don't at all. I may suck at Linux, but that doesn't mean I'm a massive noob in general. Since when am I not allowed my own opinion(which, I'm pretty sure I made it clear that it was, constantly saying IMO, or IMHO) on my views of the way it looks and the UI? BTW, sorry if I took your post in the wrong way, but you don't know about me to call me that.
When I say "the average home user" I'm speaking in general terms and not judging you personally, sheesh... Whats wrong with being an average home user anyway ?
Never said you weren't entitled to your own opinion.
And when you describe moving from Fedora to OpenSuse, that's a bigger change than just desktops. I'd venture to guess that some of the things you didn't like previously were Fedora issues rather than KDE...
Yea I prefer GNOME too. I've used them both a lot, but like you said GNOME is simply more stable. I also find it easier to use and customize. Kubuntu also doesn't use Synaptic so I always wind up putting that on anyway, and if I do that I might as well use GNOME. KDE to me seems to be more about graphics and eye candy than functionality. GTK also has a more active community from what I've seen.
Though, I also like XFCE, but that's pretty similar to GNOME.
"Dirk Müller, one of KDE's release managers gives numbers: "There have been 20803 commits made from KDE 4.0 to KDE 4.1 along with 15432 translation checkins. Almost 35000 commits have been done in work branches, some of them also being merged into KDE 4.1, so those were not even counted." Müller also tells us that KDE's sysadmin team has created 166 new accounts for developers on KDE's SVN server." (from the KDE 4.1 Release Announcement).
they all suck, mac /windows ftw, take your terminal and shove it, ill take my plug and play, gui installers, and better programs, kthnxbye
Madkillr05 1 year ago
When I first used linux it was KDE and I prefered it to gnome for a long time until I tried ubuntu and eventually I stopped liking KDE.
However KDE4 has really done well and I used it for quite a while when 4.2 came out although I've gone back because it was too slow, but I really got to like the functionality as well as the look and feel.
The "X one" is XFCE in case you didn't get that.
sharperguy 2 years ago
I used to prefer gnome before i ever used kde becuse, of people like you who don't know anything about kde but knock it for complete lies like the it is slow and ustable. Fair enough kde 4.0 was ustable and slow but it was not meant to be used.
thecomputergurukid 2 years ago
i prefere kde
jasonkarllees 2 years ago
WOW FAGOTS>>
dwaddadawdwad 3 years ago
I been a long time user of KDE and KDE 4.1 just sucks they completely muck it up and destroyed the interface I removed it after an hour.
From insisting every fracking thing on the desktop be a folder flying in the face of what is done in every other UI including their own past version to that crappy dolphin file browser.
If this is the future then the future looks like dog shit.
I never thought Gnome and XFCE would some day be better but they are.
Membrane556 3 years ago
now your a fanboy of xfce, LOL!
nnasby63 3 years ago
Your opinion sucks because you don't back your stuff up. That's just my opinion. And GNOME is falling behind in next gen desktops.
Devourer09 3 years ago
I'm using GNOME right now because it's easier to use and navigate.
SAPwnage 3 years ago
ive been using gnome for a long time now. its great. i havent tried kde yet so i downloaded the kde interface for ubuntu an hour ago and it does crash more, is slower, and it doesnt flow together as well as gnome. as you say, GNOME FTW!
joeythegeek1942 3 years ago
You can't expect it to be as stable as Gnome 2.22.x or KDE 3.5.9... yet... give it time, Rome wasn't built in a day.
Having said this, I've been running KDE 4.1 for a few weeks now on a Kubuntu system and although it still appeared glitchy at first, it has improved with every new round of updates. Its still missing some pieces of functionality, but it has become quite stable.
This desktop, with its all new frameworks and shell is 'future ready'. Gnome is yet to cross this bridge.
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
Please.."Im a gnome fanboi". Saw that coming.
Gnome is faster? Not on my system
Newbies will hate it? How the hell do you know what newbies want.
I dont like gnome, too simple. i like fucking and messing around with shit. Gnome doesnt cut it for me. Before you go saying this and that, think that other people have different needs to you.
b0uncyfr0 3 years ago
must i label In My Opinion after everything sigh its my opinion jerk.
SamueltehG33k 3 years ago
I used to like KDE, but when KDE4 happened, that whole mess, and more importantly the reaction of KDE devs to legit criticisms have steered me away from it pretty much for good. Gnome is nice, easy to use, and has plenty of apps. Also, any and all KDE apps will run just fine in gnome.
AnonymousPrime1 3 years ago
Yes you are right with me! KDE 4 is trying to change their whole reputation, why couldn't they just add new features and polish it a little bit instead of starting over and creating a new desktop envirnment that's totally unstable! KDE isn't what it used to be!
nnasby63 3 years ago
They are rethinking the desktop, because they wanted to, and because they can. KDE users wanted them to as well. And we like it. You're a GNOME fanboy who bases his analysis on alpha distro's, you fail, you don't get a say in the matter.
And KDE isn't what it used to be ? GOOD ! KDE 4.1 is way better than 3.5 and will continue to build on its solid foundations well into the future.
Enjoy your not so free Mono/Moonlight/Silverlight/C#/Novell/Microsoft koolaid.
KDE is independent and Free.
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
nnasby isnt a gnome fanboy or linux user it all hes a freeBSD guy
SamueltehG33k 3 years ago
lol... you're both GNOME fanboys...
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
he doesnt use linux that much hes a BSD giy :P
SamueltehG33k 3 years ago
I fail? Je if I were failing right now people would hate my videos! But no, they love em'! So you can't call me a failure!
nnasby63 3 years ago
Yes I can. You fail at reasonable thinking. Therefore I dub thee, Nooblet.
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
You know you can use whatever you want to use, no you can't call me a failure, your a fanboy! Fanboy of KDE! Ha! You said KDE is the best and that there rethinking the desktop! A non-fanboy would just say use what you want to use!
nnasby63 3 years ago
"You know you can use whatever you want to use" Can I haz Konqueror wif KIO slaves ?
"no you can't call me a failure" Yes I can, and I have, twice. You FAIL again !
"your a fanboy! Fanboy of KDE!" Yes, but I'm right. And everyone who disagrees with me is ugly and stupid.
"You said KDE is the best and that there rethinking the desktop!" It is, and they are.
"A non-fanboy would just say use what you want to use!" I did but not to you. So, ner.
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
lol @ "everyone who disagrees with me is ugly and stupid."
Keruaran 3 years ago
Oh, and you are a nooblet.
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
lol I'm being thumbed down... utubers are lacking in humor these days
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
y dont u change your icon set?
UbuntuLee 3 years ago
GNOME is far behind KDE 4.1, GTK+ is far behind Qt too.
Your opinion is pretty much worthless because it doesn't have any fact or real arguments, your feelings aren't important when you're making a review.
GNOME is old, and needs a redesign.
Just as a side note, this is coming from a GNOME, KDE, e17, Fluxbox, XFCE, Ion 3 user or any other window manager you can think off.
1MARCKO1 3 years ago
I can't use KDE, the taskbar is Windows like and way to big. The window list is super scrunched and I have had nothing but trouble navigating through it. I found it 2x harder to use than gnome, and 2x more unstable. The last thing I need is another explorer-like window manager.
UbuntuLee 3 years ago
0 arguments
Stay quiet if you don't have nothing to back up your opinion.
KDE 3.5.x is as stable as GNOME 2.x. KDE 4.1 is less stable than both, but it is far more innovative, it has almost all KDE 3.5 features (which are far more than those found on GNOME to be fair). Not to mention that the GNOME application are lacking a bunch of features.
BTW, the taskbar can be resize very easily, if you can't do that, then you're the problem, it seems that you don't have the specifications needed by KDE ;)
1MARCKO1 3 years ago
What features is gnome lacking? I haven't really noticed any problems with gnome. KDE crashes on me all the time (4.1). I do like KDEnlive and a Amarok however. I'm always open to new suggestions, so why should I convert to KDE?
UbuntuLee 3 years ago
KDE is like windows, they need to do a better job!
nnasby63 3 years ago
Absolute rubbish.
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
I don't give a shit if you want to convert or no, I sincerely don't care, I just dislike trolls without arguments or anything backing up their "opinions".
GNOME itself isn't lacking, but it's application are quite poor at the side of those of KDE, OS X and Windows itself, with the clearly exception of The Gimp.
Nautilus, Exaile, Rhythmbox, F-Spot, Image Viewer, Brasero, and pretty much any application you can think off, this, without even counting the customization options.
1MARCKO1 3 years ago
I'm not a troll. I can back up Gnome if I want. Oh and you don't have to freak out. I was just asking a question.
UbuntuLee 3 years ago
If Mono encumbered GNOME along with Miguel de Icaza's mutual Microsoft admiration society who don't care about Free Software but who'd rather pat him on the back for travesties like Moonlight is "the future" of the free software desktop, then the free software desktop has no future.
If you care about GNOME as a free desktop, then do something about the poisonous trojans within who are infecting GNOME with ticking patent timebombs.
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honmbi 3 years ago
KDE 4.1 is the most significant upgrade of any free software desktop today. It's outstanding for reasons that go way beyond the look. Security is not ignored by the KDE community, this is baseless. There's no difference between KDE 3.5.9 and GNOME 2.22.2 for stability. KDE4 has gone through a rough period of instability, this was simply unavoidable. Every great software project must at some stage go through this kind of transition. If you like GNOME, ok, but personal preference is all it is.
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
PClOS is a KDE distro but it has gnome versions. I might try gnome. I mainly use windows now but Linux is awesome, I used Ubuntu Linux 7.10 through live CD, knoppix live CD and PClOS 2007 big daddy as my main os but not anymore... I want a mac badly because I can't stand windows but w/e. Linux and Windows ftw... Mac ftw (for GFX).
cheapshet 3 years ago
i dont understand what gnome or kde are, i mean, what do they do?
laughinsilence 3 years ago
brands of linux desktoops
SamueltehG33k 3 years ago
ohh, i dont get your answer, i mean, a desktop? doesnt the os come with that?
its ok, im just gonna check with someone else, thanks for answering though :)
laughinsilence 3 years ago
Sam, it's pronounced zoo-buntu, and it uses Xfce. :)
wanyal 3 years ago
I use windows tbh...lol I'm way behind
Kirbydreamstar 3 years ago
Yes you are ;)
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
You must learn to use the ways of the source.
Keruaran 3 years ago
xubuntu uses xfce
TheTutorial 3 years ago
KDE is horrible.
UbuntuLee 3 years ago
kde looks like windows to me
tehcomputerman 3 years ago
You look like a loser to me.
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
kde sucks you noob
tehcomputerman 3 years ago
It does now that they have broken it with the frameworks and plasmoid shit.
Good move KDE dev team lets start scaring people back to fracking windows.
Membrane556 3 years ago
I ran Fedora which had KDE, and it was just so, so, SO bloated. It just had this massive taskbar, and ugh, I just did not like it one bit. Then I installed Open Suse which had GNOME, and I could actually use it. IDK if it was just Fedora, I have seen some other distro's running KDE, they were still bloated, IMHO. I know I'm only talking about the actual UI, but, I've always thought that was what KDE's main goal was, and I hate it, lol. IDK a lot about it, so, I might sound like a prejudice noob.
My1name1is1Emor 3 years ago
"SO bloated"
Its not, actually. It has extensive integrated libraries, but this means KDE apps are smaller and reuse the same code instead of needlessly duplicating it. The result is that once you have fired up a few apps you use less RAM than other desktops (fact, not emotion).
"It just had this massive taskbar"
Its the panel, and its easy to resize it any way you like.
And I personally wouldn't recommend Fedora to the average home user (sorry Fedora fans).
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
Y'ah. I just find the UI bloated, IMO. And don't judge me like that. How do you know I'm the average home user? You don't at all. I may suck at Linux, but that doesn't mean I'm a massive noob in general. Since when am I not allowed my own opinion(which, I'm pretty sure I made it clear that it was, constantly saying IMO, or IMHO) on my views of the way it looks and the UI? BTW, sorry if I took your post in the wrong way, but you don't know about me to call me that.
EMZ -.-
My1name1is1Emor 3 years ago
I don't know what you mean by UI being bloated :/
When I say "the average home user" I'm speaking in general terms and not judging you personally, sheesh... Whats wrong with being an average home user anyway ?
Never said you weren't entitled to your own opinion.
And when you describe moving from Fedora to OpenSuse, that's a bigger change than just desktops. I'd venture to guess that some of the things you didn't like previously were Fedora issues rather than KDE...
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
"I don't know what you mean by UI being bloated :/"
What I mean by that is the way Luna looks bloated. A lot of people agree w/ me.
"not judging you personally, sheesh"
I said sorry at the end if I got you wrong, sorry.
"Never said you weren't entitled to your own opinion."
Nah, you were just giving me loads of facts in response to my totally opinionated post.
"And when you describe moving from Fedora to OpenSuse"
I said that in my first post.
*new post*
My1name1is1Emor 3 years ago
Concerning your complaint about the "massive" size of the default KDE panel, please watch this clip: "KDE 4.1 - Resizing and moving panels".
You may find it an eye opener.
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
Gnome is what i like better.
KDE isn't appealing to me i tried kubuntu and i just didn't like it.
wolffangalchemist 3 years ago
oh and just found out something interesting Linux mint uses ver 2.22.3 of Gnome.
wolffangalchemist 3 years ago
hmm 2.22.3 is out?
SamueltehG33k 3 years ago
no only 2.22.2
UbuntuLee 3 years ago
very odd then.
wolffangalchemist 3 years ago
google this
linux mint gnome 2.22.3
on dostro watch it says it uses that.
wolffangalchemist 3 years ago
google this
linux mint gnome 2 dot 22 dot 3(put a . where the dots are)
on distro watch it even says thats what it uses.
wolffangalchemist 3 years ago
whups damn youtubes responses time!
wolffangalchemist 3 years ago
oh wait *face palms* thats some other distro.
wolffangalchemist 3 years ago
Yea I prefer GNOME too. I've used them both a lot, but like you said GNOME is simply more stable. I also find it easier to use and customize. Kubuntu also doesn't use Synaptic so I always wind up putting that on anyway, and if I do that I might as well use GNOME. KDE to me seems to be more about graphics and eye candy than functionality. GTK also has a more active community from what I've seen.
Though, I also like XFCE, but that's pretty similar to GNOME.
Darganot 3 years ago
"Dirk Müller, one of KDE's release managers gives numbers: "There have been 20803 commits made from KDE 4.0 to KDE 4.1 along with 15432 translation checkins. Almost 35000 commits have been done in work branches, some of them also being merged into KDE 4.1, so those were not even counted." Müller also tells us that KDE's sysadmin team has created 166 new accounts for developers on KDE's SVN server." (from the KDE 4.1 Release Announcement).
Seems pretty active to me...
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
do you use a laptop?
SamueltehG33k 3 years ago
err... daily.. why ?
*looks around suspiciously for the nearby torches of a lynch mob*
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
nnasby has cooler and smart vids so stfu about his vids u stupid retard.
142536698 3 years ago
Err... what is this comment in response to ?
Lam1ngton 3 years ago
Samuel is a hypocrite
he hates fanboys
but he admits to be a fanboy
Great Good
AntiFanboys 3 years ago
lol and you arent? mr. antifanboy in the name but only owns a ps3
SamueltehG33k 3 years ago
Great Good? Really? And I should warn you, people these days shouldn't use the word hypocrite, considering everyone is one in some way.
DarkKnightsJoker 3 years ago 2
very true
MAP1987 3 years ago
Me three.
Xethian79 3 years ago
i thought you were not suppose to admit that your a fanboy of anything
ucunt239 3 years ago
lol i admitted this in an earlier vid
SamueltehG33k 3 years ago
no one really cares though people only start bitching at you if you were to sat that about a Game Console lol.
ucunt239 3 years ago