Making Of "Death in Venice"

[jeanpi314159]

But this is

Mahler's 9h there , whereas in his film , Visconti did use 3rd , 5fh and 7th .

Mann thought about Mahler ; but Aschenbach is quite different . Mahler was a fighter and disliked rich society . He was always in thought about music and philosophy . Aschenbach seems to be inhibited , or idle .

Moreover , Mahler did mix burlesque and sublime ; he loved to introduce real world into art as Aschenbach can't stand vulgarity and cannot reach the beauty .

Of course , this a masterwork

[jeanpi314159]

Merci pour ce documentaire vraiment très intéressant .

De plus les commentaires ici sont aussi enrichissants .

C'est vrai que souvent , il est question d'homosexualité à propos de ce chef d'oeuvre qui du coup a un aspect dérangeant car comment se situer en tant que spectateur ?

Le choix de la musique de Mahler est un élément important du film car elle ne cesse de confronter le grotesque au sublime , et le réel à l"art . comme Aschenbach est pris entre le vulgaire et le beau .

[Proietti88]

What a great documentary! "Death in Venice" is one of my favorite movies ever, I actually love every film directed by the one & only, the incomparable, the unique and the best ever Italian director - Mr. Luchino Visconti! Dirk Bogarde at his best here! It's so much about deep emotions, intellect, culture and things of this nature and NOT a hidden gay side of a person - for all those who do not possess enough acquirement and make stupid inferences! Thanks to the poster.

[thelastblodbender]

Personally i enjoyed the end of the film ... but .. above all the feelings i had ... But ... i think the film goes too slow ...

[sfkcbf]

Despite the homoerotic elements of Mann's novella and especially Visconti's film, the story is much more than that. Mann wrote on many levels simultaneously. Some higher levels are particularly sophisticated and require a broad education and specific knowledge of his times and language (more recent translations are better than the old.) Mann's actual experience in Venice: "Tadzio" was Wladyslaw Moes, and the friend was Janek Fudakowska. Wladzio read the book in 1923 and recognized himself.

[transfoby]

Death in Venice was not about homosexuality. It was about Beauty, and the boy represents the Angel of Death, not an earthly love, but ethereal love.

[zyzll]

what did they say? i dont underdtand french

[fedtho]

A very warm thank you for this one on Visconti at work on "Death..." I had never seen.

One really wishes there was a whole movie... about the making of the movie. And, yes, much more of Bogarde's comments.

*Great post*

Cheers

[rukawa9289]

does anyone knows what's on the Tadzio's mind in the movie when he keeps looking at Gustav?

[MultiSigrun]

@rukawa9289 i wonder

[Colja1]

The most bizarre thing about this film, which I saw many times in the cinema between 1971 and 1981 was: When I was in Biarritz on tour with London Festival Ballet in 1970, I saw on television a news item about the making of this film and the Tadzio was not Bjorn Andresesn. The Tadzio was completely different. Younger, and more contained looking, with a bouffant hair style. When I saw the film in London in March 1971 I nearly fell out of my seat when Bjorn Andresen appeared onscreen.

[merionyydd]

Very interesting film. I interviewed Bjorn about twenty years ago.He explained that the film hampered his career in the long run.The interview was for Radio Sweden International.

[TheTadziofan]

Wow, if you interviewed Bjorn, would you please tell me where to find the article? I am very interested to know how he felt about his role and life in general. In spite of his feeling disappointed with the lack of other roles, I think he could also start thinking how lucky he was to have this once-in-a-lifetime chance to shine. Many other actors with extensive careers never manage to leave such an everalsting impact on culture.

[Sammelpunkten]

Es increíble esta película, la lentitud de las escenas se corresponde con el estado del profesor. La sutileza de este film conmueve, sin embargo, creo que polariza mucho la historia respecto del libro como si el meollo fuese la homosexualidad... creo que los diálogos sobre la belleza dan la clave. Se trata de la belleza, que ésta aparezca tan prístina en un hombre, una mujer o un niño da lo mismo. Es ella quien se ríe de nosotros porque nos atrapa.

[Itachidrkcsa]

questo documentario è davvero eccezionale !!! ^^

quoto LSD9000 !!!>>

[gauchatche]

I do not speak English with fluency, but I liked the video, a documentary is fantastic.

[sparafucile2]

Es una película estremecedora, sobre todo para quienes, como yo, la vimos a los 15 años mientras despertaba nuestra "diferencia" y descubrimos que nuestro mundo podía ser tan profundo, solitario y complejo como se retrataba en este film.

[DoubleSuicides]

I believe that there is certain homosexual fantasy from Aschenbach's side, since the novella as well as the movie used the metaphor of Dionysus to describe his natural attraction to the boy. However, art should be taken carefully and thoughtfully - in this piece of art, Tadzio's role as the so called 'homosexual fantasy' is watered down to nearly zero, and is replaced by the symbol of ultimate beauty, like the top of the ivory tower that every artists always admires and try to reach for.

[europecinema]

I don't feel like deleting comments but I'd be forced to it if people insist on writing homophobic harsh remarks... So don't tell you haven't been warned!

[sweetcandy592]

@europecinema im 14 years old an female isaw some of this film on sky movie bt my mum removed e from the room she didnt wont me to watch it..but she watched it. i just want to know saw the man gay and the boy to.? was the old man tantalized and obessed over the boys beauty? thats what it read in the movie review? reply back to meee please.

[LSD9000]

It's not a homosexual fantasy you stupid uneducated boy. Tadzio is a symbol of perfect beauty that is unachievable for artist.

[DazedSheep]

True. It is a comlex story and nothing to do with being gay

[Arthur5041975]

LSD and Dazed really are idiotic.

[DazedSheep]

I think you are talking about your own comment. "Death in Venice" is about Art , Death , regret , beauty etc I don't know why you care so much about the sexuality of Aschenbach , maybe you have issues?

[drsnipes]

Good point.

[lapislazuli7]

Sure. What a remarkable coincidence that the main actor, the director and the writer were homosexual. Nothing wrong with that at all! To me (personally) the idea that Tadzio is the symbol of perfect beauty is just an intellectual excuse for Thomas Mann. - Anyway, since there is something like freedom of speech why do give others names just because they have a different opinion?

[transfoby]

@lapislazuli7 I have never seen Tadzio as a gay fantasy boy...He was more a longing of the main character for beauty and life...Tadzio, perhaps unintentionally, and that it is what made this movie great - was an Angel of Death

[lapislazuli7]

@transfoby That was not my first impression... but I need to read the novel again so I can judge. He is an Angel of death, that is for certain.

[transfoby]

@LSD9000 Tadzio is a symbol of perfect beauty, but not in a sleazy gay way. He is an Angel of Death.

[transfoby]

@LSD9000 Yes, that is exactly it! That was Thomas Man's point. Tadzio is the beauty we all yearn for...

[ZombieGirl69]

Es una pelicula preciosa, una de las más bonitas que he visto nunca.

Aunque es una pena que a Björn Andresen (Tadzio) le fuera tan mal profesionalmente tras hacer esta película...

[hachibankan2293]

貴重な撮影風景を見る事ができて素晴らしいでした！

このような記録フィルムがあったら、もっと見たいです

[johndoe121213]

that music that they are playing in the documentary is very beautiful.who is the composer? what piece?

[DouglasRalph89]

It is Mahler's "Symphony No.5 - 4th Movement Adagietto".

[DePlanissoles]

The music used in this documentary(at the beginning and at the end) is actually from Mahler's

9th Symphony(the "Adagio").The Adagietto from the 5th you can hear only shortly in the middle of this film

[beralia]

Hola! Aunandome al comentario de Eva es cierto, sólo que Björn contaba con 16 años y se sintió muy mal al ser usado como un objeto. Estas declaraciones las dio con relacion a un libro que lo tenia de portada, hace algunos años.

[xoxxo16]

Beralia estas mezclando cosas.

1)Bjorn dijo que se sintio como un "objeto" cuando lo llevaron a un bar gay el dia del estreno de la pelicula .

2) Sus declaraciones sobre el libro del que hablas "the boy", fueron quejas, porque nadie le pidio permiso para usar su foto.

3) Si viste el documental sobre el, sabras que el mismo dijo que se sintio muy comodo con Visconti, y que NO SE ARREPIENTE de haber hecho la peli, pero si supiera lo que sabe ahora no diria que no (palabras textuales)

[MultiSigrun]

@xoxxo16 there is a documentary about björn? i can not find it!

[ArbiterElegantium]

My favourite movie...

Bogarde and Andresen,it's deep,disturbing,upsetting too...

But it's a shame that Andresen received only 4000$ for this role.

[charlottelaud]

$4000 only ?

my goodness.

[drronnie]

Well, what are 4,000 Dollars compared to being unforgetable as Tadzio.

[DieSonneSinkt]

Visconti + Mann + Mahler = Holy Trio

[algester11]

Awesome！！！！

[Johnny1206]

Bogarde is my favorite actor!

[1zangelique]

BRAVO!

[luishipolito]

"Morte em Veneza" é o filme da minha vida. Luis Hipolito @ The Blogger

[eva11fe]

Its so interesting.. but i dont know if you know the history of Björn Andresen (TADZIO) luchino visconti lies to him.. in the premiere in Cannes Luchino take Björn Andresen to a gay bar.. and Björn only have 15 years old.. it´s no ok.. if you have time investigate about the history of Björn Andresen i fine but its in spanish.. Bye

[europecinema]

Gracias por tu comentario. La verdad es que no conocía esta anécdota y si además está español, pues mucho mejor! Te agradecería muchísimo si pudieras decirme dónde lo has leído... Saludos!

[xoxxo16]

Yo lo lei en varias paginas de noticias, era una entrevista y decia eso, que lo llevo a un bar gay el dia del estreno, pero en ningun parte mencionaba que le MENTIA.

[transfoby]

@eva11fe what happened to Bjorn Andersen?

[Fichtenbrenner]

very interesting.

[Pacabelle]

It's so nice to see this. Thanks. I'm so delighted to hear Dirk's voice especially. It would be so nice to see more interviews of this such a talented and intellectual actor! I especially long for the interview he did with Rusell Harty before he died. Hope to see it one day on youtube!

[europecinema]

Thank you for your interesting comment. I have been looking for this interview but no luck... A pity!

[transfoby]

@Pacabelle Even Dirk Bogarde behaved in this movie and contained his sleazy, cold, gay side

[A8768]

thanks.