For those of you that say that no one tell the difference between analog and va, just look at some of the most popular and respected musicians in electronic music today, find out what they are using. Very often, they are using analog gear somewhere along the music production chain. This is not a coincidence. People can tell the difference.
The Andromeda, the Roland J8 and the Moog Voyager are the best analog synths ever and you want it pay for it, thats it, each of them have own "warm" in analog sound, is nothing else out there in the REAL analog sound.
Simple easy Analog synths are expensive to build and they are marketed for vsynths today day, a Access Virus sounds clear crystal and is vsynth, now the question is you guys listen music with speakers or an oscilloscope?
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I'm really not a hater but you might benefit from some lessons. You own one of the greatest synths ever made by human hands (the ARP 2600 was obviously made by aliens), you should know how to play a simple bass line melody.
This whole analog/digital debate is tired. Many sounds (weird effects) don't sound noticeably better in analog than digital. However, strings, bass, and real-time filter adjustments all sound UNQUESTIONABLY better in analog. It also has to be taken into account that the quality of recording and compression for Youtube makes the difference less apparent. Once you listen to an analog synth straight to headphones and compare it to a soft synth, the difference is obvious.
My only complaint is the tempo adjustment is decimal!!! and so sensitive almost impossible to set a specific number like 120 bpm by hand, i use another external instrument by midi for set the tempo.
God are we still on the who analog vs digital argument ? VA vs Analog-You can't compare this with a VA. They are fundamentally different. Sure a good VA can emulate pretty well but not completely. With certain sounds (or tasks) it becomes rather evident. A good trained ear will notice the difference. -Yes I said that! The subtle nuances of the filters on this unit are breathtaking! In the end I guess it's a matter of personal preference. I personally think this is the best analog out there.
Nothing will beat good ol' analog circuitry. However in this day and age, majority of people listening to music won't be able to tell an A6 from say Vanguard or something. Analog for people who truly appreciate all the nuances that go with it.
@JohnF30Music depends which one you are talking about! I know there are some extremely well written software, the arturia and G media/force stuff all are very very good.
i heard some one saying a user friendly synth i think that would be in terms of interface, makes no sense to talking about user friendly synthesis all synthesis is friendly if you understand it besides to compare synths you should compare the same category of synths that`s for another comment about dx7 is foolish to compare a fm synth with an analog one like andromeda
and for the how the raw oscillators of the virus well most oscillators sound very similar i mean a square wave will always sound like a square so you get the normal oscillators you always get with this kind of synth square,triangle etc etc if you want to have an idea anyway it sounds prety similar to a nord lead 3 but that`s true thedemos on youtube are very bad,but it sounds much better than that i liked it ,about the efects is always useful to have more tool to further shape your final sound.
WARNING !!!! This is a very weird synth.... it can get quite unpredictable with its sound and thus takes loads of time to master, but it always fully rewards you for the effort.
It has almost 800 of parameters to tweak, its sound pallet is just limitless.
I have mine for one weak, maybe in one month that I will feel comfortable with it , I will upload something.
hate to say bad things, but this is not a well explored bass ability of the A6...I've played one and I can say it's got a lot more up it's sleeve...this is tiny mess-around session
I agree! 100%. Never trust the presets to be the sound of the Andromeda. I have made some sounds in mine that you cannot hear in any A6 demo in Youtube. After all, I don't suppose someone buys an A6 for the presets. Roll up your sleeves and tweak those knobs!
It's not a matter of digital, or 0s and 1s, or any other thing. You got this all wrong. I have scientific papers that prove that some things will not be emulated. Period. You can get pretty close with a really good digital synthesizer (if you know what you are doing) but there are certain things in analog that interact in ways that cannot be studied, let alone emulated, let alone emulated succesfully. It's not a matter of computational resources, at all.
are you crazy?!?! do you have an Andromeda and a Virus TI to compare with?? .. no probably not, my friend has Andromeda and an virus TI and the Andromeda is almost dead! he says that the Andromeda is like 1/4 of what the Virus is so HAH!
@lodnaellid2 The Virus only recently added (with OS4) modulation from its ARP section. The Andromeda has this since 2000. Also the A6 has CRoutes, which is a way to modulate a modulation. So, no, the A6 is much more flexible
For those without real knowledge of how a good and warm sound with alot of punch should sound like, Then yes, Virus is the shit for many, especially young people that was borned and raised with the virtual analog stuff. But if you listen carefully the Virus have nothing of the analog feel of a real analog synth like Prophet 08, Andromeda, Oberheim and so on. What the virus does to make the sound fat is put on endless effects. You can do that with this one also inside a sequenser.
I've been trawling through access virus TI demos, and the first thing that came to mind is that they seem very "glitzy" with too lots of effects added, and its very hard to get an idea of what the Raw OSC + Filter sounds are like. If anyone knows of any actually good Virus demos (any model), please recommend them to me, as all finding is cheap trancy/dancy demos.
The Andromeda is a lady that needs to be treated properly to get any results, but the're most pleasing when you get there eventually. The Virus is your more easy to get to know type who'll do anything you want for a quick fiddle, then lock you in for the rest of your life.
clearly you know how analog works but dont know sit about digital. Digital can (and soon will) sound exactly like analog and it can do much more you never could dream of with analog.
Be sure to send me an email when the VST instruments sound like this. And also the VA synths, because there are none so far and they have been trying to copy real analog for 20 or so years.
Has nothing to do with power of computer, it has to do with the technology that Digital handles audio signals. It's only 1's and 0's and everything is made up of that. It's to deep to explain here, but it's like saying that one day there will be a camera that takes better pictures than real life? It's not possible, analoge is the purest of signal you can get. Everything else is trying to imitate that, so even if that great camera comes along and it's supersharp and all, it's never real life.
i know a lot about digital workings, trust me, i know what im saying and the fact that its made up of 1's and 0's doesnt matter anymore because we can generate more than twice the resolution than the human ear can even hear.
It's not so much what the ear can hear, it's what the vibration it sends and what you body feels. I know how I react when I hear pure analoge signal. Or even Vinyl records, it moves me in a whole different way, digital is sharper there is no denying. I know when I walk into a club if they play vinyl or CD. Analoge talks to my chakras more, it makes me feel things digital never have, it's in the subtles of vibrations that I doubt digital will be able to copy. And in that I have included high res.
thats because the vinyl is mastered differently (less qauality basicly) and the cd is mastered better (higher dynamic range and frequency responce).
Its not that hard to hear the difference and has nothing to do with digital VS analog as many tracks are delivered digitally to a mastering house before the vinyl gets pressed.
pls do look up the facts better before you believe anything fabricants of analog synth or the artists who are sponsored by them try to make you believe stories.
comparing a photo with real life doesnt apply here.
An analog synth isnt creating 'natural' sounds, its creating much simpler stuff. The only difficulty comes from emulating the effect of the transistors and stuff but if you got the calculation power then theres no proplem at all in doing that.
the only difference is that analog is open to error. That mean the sound gets slightly distorted every time is passes through a circuit or whatever.
You can perfectly simulate this if you have the right model/study, but its computer intensive, so you need a fast cpu. Thats the only 'problem', but computers are amazingly fast these days and we are getting REALLY close!
:D I'm sorry but that's nonsense. You seem to have taken one aspect of how either an analog or digital circuit can sometimes behave and applied it across the whole of audio theory in reverse. If you take a constant signal and turn it into a series of pulses you will always lose information. Higher resolution just decreases the loss. And while you can copy digital audio data with no further loss, processing that data will lead to further loss of the original signal.....
.....So what you hear will be different certainly to what you would hear if that same signal hadn't been manipulated digitally. It also very much depends on what exactly you mean by analog and digital. The Andromeda certainly doesn't contain anything like the discrete circuitry you would find inside something like a Jupiter 8 or a CS-80, so is it a true analog? I say yes but what exactly constitutes analog and digital, especially regarding a synth?
Possible, maybe. A significant change in how digital audio is handled would be required though, which isn't going to happen anywhere near as soon as you suggest.
Whether you like it or not, real analog synths do sound better and will do for a number of years. Maybe you don't like the price, that's just tough I'm affraid :D
As a matter of fact i like hardware more than software, because its easier to express yourself creatively. Its so much better when you got something in your hands. I know you can but controllers for your vst's but for some reason that doesnt work so well for me knowing its 'just' a controller.
But you are right, the price aint worth the difference to me..
It's supposedly been happening for the last 20 years. Processing power isn't the issue, it's the simple fact that creating a sound from scratch with a real analog oscilaltor will always sound different than a sound created from a mathematical model, no matter how accurate that model is.
It seems as though you agree, you just don't agree with the price you have to pay.
A digital signal will ALWAYS be a interpolation of an analog signal. So it's the nature of digital to be lossy. Think of it as a circle on your computer screen. It will never be a perfect circle. The edges will always be jagged. You can increase the resolution but that doesn't solve the problem. So digital will never surpass analog so to speak.
Yes that is partly my point, but the issue is deeper with a synthesiser. A sound created with an analog oscillator and a sound 'played back' from a mathematical model will always sound different. Which sounds better depends on personal preference and current trends of what people think sounds good.
most people forget that you have a D/A transformer, at least when it turns into pressure of the air...so your arguemtn ist right, but i also prefer the analog synths...sounds so much warmer and fuller
That article proofs I'm right. Under the heading 'Reconstruction' it says 'Reconstruction of the original signal is an interpolation process'. Where interpolation always is 'making things up for data that isn't there based on other data.' In analog there is NO interpolation so the signal is in it's purest form.
Pointing people who know something about it to articles you don't understand yourself looks a bit lame to me.
Let's see, idiot. You think that "interpolation" means that some loss MUST occur. The article I've showed you (you didn't understand anything) says that, according to the well-known Nyquist theorem, if the sampling frequency DOUBLES the maximum frequency of the analog signal you can interpolate it PERFECTLY without any loss. I'm an electrical engineer, by the way, you're just a hobbyist.
I have a masters degree in sound and audio theory. dusp2k is right. You are wrong. Calling people idiots just shows you cannot argue the subject any further.
1. I'm Spanish, so English isn't my first language either. Your point?
2. I haven't gotten off-topic, you're just mad because you think I humiliated you. Don't talk about things you know nothing about and that won't happen again, trust me.
@dusp2k I'm not saying digital will surpass analog, but your comparison between digital audio and a circle on a screen is misleading. While it's true that we're looking at a jagged representation of a circle on a screen, we're not actually listening to a discrete digital signal. We're listening to a perfectly smooth analog signal created with the help of the information contained in the inaudible digital signal. Look up Nyquist :)
@dusp2k Yeah but actually that doesn't make an iota of difference. One: beyond 16 bit / 44.1 khz digital audio quality (the lowest quality digital signal you'll hear generally), the human ear cannot discern an increase in quality. Two: even if you happen to be superhuman and can differentiate between digital and analog audio, just by virtue of imperfections in analog equipment, you'll get enough noise in the signal chain to degrade it to the equivalent of a digital approximation.
@dgmulf not true. listen to an at least semi clean vinyl record with a needle that isn't worn to shit on some decent speakers, then listen to it on the same stereo with a cd. you'll be able to hear more depth in the LP, guaranteed. You talk a lot of trash and I bet you've never recorded on tape at 15ips. Anyone who says high quality analog isn't percievable from 16/44.1 is a troll and a spammer. You can tell the difference between tape and 24 bit too. Doesn't take a rocket scientist, joe.
@dusp2k Not at all. When your sound card feeds your speakers a signal, it feeds it an analog signal. Everything that comes out of our speakers is analog (therefore a DAC is necessary to be able to hear digital audio). As long as the sample rate at which your DAC runs at is at least double 40 khz, then the signal can be reconstructed perfectly (bear in mind we can't hear above 20khz, therefore a 44.1 khz sampling rate is sufficient) via a high enough bit depth, and interpolation.
@dusp2k * As long as the sample rate at which your DAC runs at is at least 40 khz. * Now as far as analog vs digital synths go, analog synths are different for "other" reasons. Such as VCO drift, the smoothness of a VCF and EG'S, the VCA'S inaccuracies etc. etc.
All EG's in the Andromeda are digital, huge range, but still digital... Oscs are analog as are filters, the rest is digital, so actually its kind of a hybrid machine... (According to my manual) A great machine, Im never selling it.
@dusp2k thats just not true, we as humans cant tell the difference up until a point, which we in the digital domain are well well past, ps computers can easily recreate more perfect circles than anaolgue systems can, think of it this way...the maths that define a shape can be programatically defined in a computer (ignoring re/production)
in the vein of your example try drawing a perfect circle with a pen or pencil :P Both analogue and digital are equally as good, just different methods.
@dusp2k p.s. most recordings these days are digital so the smallest bit of information is still digitally dictated ie a sample.....by your logic there would be no difference in a analogue and digital synth anyway for 90% of people.
Nice sounds, but you need to practice with a metronome. You own an instrument like that, you oughta at LEAST be able to play a bassline at a consistent tempo.
I'm not trying to be a dick, everyone needs to practice with a metronome sometimes.
True, the DX-7's on-board interface is crap, but it is very programmable in terms of different sounds (and programming is made easier with MIDI software).
Plus, I have always been partial to the really harsh, noisy sounds that FM synthesis is capable of...
Damn, that is alot of knobs and the sounds is great, really fat. Also I really want to get into synths, so i think i'm gonna start with something way less complex.....I was thinking of buying a microKorg! Good idea?
Can be a pain for beginners to program as you need to delve into the menus, rather than tweaking loads of knobs like the MS2000. Get the newer MicroKorg XL as you can at least get a software interface for it which should help with programming.
Well, i'm sorry it said it was a toy, but i've played around with one and while it's a cute little synth, the Blofeld blows it out of the water, both sound and feature-wise. Compare it to the Snow and the difference is even more obvious. It's good if you wanna learn synthesis, but it sounds too thin compared to the competition. That being said, i'm not a huge Korg fan (although i'd sell a kidney to buy an MS20 :)
Damn, i forgot you guys pay so much for it in the states, i got it for a bit over 300 euro (but i gotta admit, i have a guilty satisfaction when i see a piece of gear that's priced higher in the States, since most are usually much cheaper over there - same price in dollars and euros :P).
just want to say to you all real quick. Yes there is a difference between analog synths and digital wave replications. Its a fact. But if you are talented enough,you can shape and form that wave perfectly..also,9th wonder uses fruity loops and hes one of the best..its not what you use but how you use it..look at bt for instance,he uses the most craziest sounds..he even took a whole album,compressed to one sound and made a beat..its in your mind,and only partially in the equipment..open ya heads
But don't be discouraged. You can learn alot 'in the box'. VST's are a great way to learn about effects,processors,synth programming,sequencing etc.
I remember beginning with a Fruity Loops and Cubase combo many moons ago, without any hardware at all. It taught me alot and not only is FL great for creativity but its still a great program for arranging drum patterns.
But as you grow in talent, you'll find it quite limiting.
Now i am fully hardware, and i wouldn't have it any other way. I know alot of producers who have sold their equipment to go 'in the box' but eventually they got sick of being limited to a mouse and screen.
I suppose there are some genres of EDM that allow for it, once you've had your work professionally mixed and mastered, you get away with it.
But if you want some real earth in your sound you have to go hardware!
The best way to go about it is, design 'in the box' then take it to a pro studio
Thats always the first impression for a newcomer. Its the same 'sound', but its not the same thing. Real analogue has 'body' as if it was a living thing. A VST is just a toy emulating the waveform. But something 'virtual'
cannot produce something 'organic'.
But beleive me, one day you'll hear them side by side, and don't worry.. you'll understand.
hahahahahaha you dont know what are you talkin about, im sure that you cant hear the difference between analogue and digital.. if fl is better.. why paul van dyk and all of those great musicians prefer this synth?. Hahha next time dont try to look cool among people who really know about this stuff, if you dont know about the topic dont make opinions, you can ask to learn but do not try to look cool.
Man, all these idiots aint no shit. This synth is ANALOGUE!!! so stop bragging about your out of date Casios you bought from some crackhead for $30 bucks!
man it sounds pretty good but it doesn't touch an old or a moog for the bass. for most sounds at least. For electro basslines it'd probably sound pretty sweet. It's got such a unique sound it's definately usable for something!
the moog voyager has three oscillaters, this has two. the voyager isnt twice the price, these both go for about $3,000. both have plenty of phatness and functions...if you had both, youd use the voyager more for leads, this one more for sweeps chords ambience etc but not exclusively
yo ive been lookin for the a6 for quite a while and i cant find it, i heard it was discontinued, alesis told me i have 2 wait til the end of the summer to get my order. if u know where i could get one holla at me.
For those of you that say that no one tell the difference between analog and va, just look at some of the most popular and respected musicians in electronic music today, find out what they are using. Very often, they are using analog gear somewhere along the music production chain. This is not a coincidence. People can tell the difference.
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velliosant 1 week ago
WOW, love the bass sounds...
Thinking about buying the DSI Mopho to put on some of my synth to get that bass sound!
janxenjanxen 1 month ago
@TMAT09
i think you forgot to add another zero
evilsnakes1 3 months ago
...Alesis engineers found the schematics of this synth in the centre of the pyramid of Giza...
buzzboxed 5 months ago
The Andromeda, the Roland J8 and the Moog Voyager are the best analog synths ever and you want it pay for it, thats it, each of them have own "warm" in analog sound, is nothing else out there in the REAL analog sound.
Simple easy Analog synths are expensive to build and they are marketed for vsynths today day, a Access Virus sounds clear crystal and is vsynth, now the question is you guys listen music with speakers or an oscilloscope?
Analogs are beautiful monsters.
103959770979 9 months ago
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I'm really not a hater but you might benefit from some lessons. You own one of the greatest synths ever made by human hands (the ARP 2600 was obviously made by aliens), you should know how to play a simple bass line melody.
Phisheadie97 11 months ago
This is not my show.
This is a demonstration of the Alesis A6 Andromeda sonic capabilities.
Can you understand this simple concept?
YpsilonVector 11 months ago 7
@Phisheadie97 A hater is exactly what u are... you could benefit from getting a life.
qornphlake 10 months ago
@Phisheadie97 you sound stupid
cprostudio 9 months ago
@Phisheadie97
He can play far better than me!!
kolakube123 8 months ago in playlist Instrument Learning
@Phisheadie97 you sure sound like a hater to me
brainjamz 1 week ago
jaggy video
CoolColJ24 11 months ago
One of my fave synths and what a sexy one as well...
lemsta007 11 months ago
im glad you can affort this
Fyeagass16 1 year ago
@Lzl dude tell me about it. I think I'm going to be buying one of these at the end of the summer tho, should even things out a bit.
TheDLovas 1 year ago
Where to buy?
austinpower14 1 year ago
i really want one
sloo7047 1 year ago
How can such a bad keyboard player own this kind of synth :P
LzI 1 year ago
I WISH IT WAS STILL IN PRODUCTION! Or at least a similarly priced alternative. Too bad. The SunSyn is similar but more expensive. DAMNIT!
Biopharmer 1 year ago
This whole analog/digital debate is tired. Many sounds (weird effects) don't sound noticeably better in analog than digital. However, strings, bass, and real-time filter adjustments all sound UNQUESTIONABLY better in analog. It also has to be taken into account that the quality of recording and compression for Youtube makes the difference less apparent. Once you listen to an analog synth straight to headphones and compare it to a soft synth, the difference is obvious.
TheRealCritique 1 year ago
That is real fat not the shit made with pc software.
103959770979 1 year ago
How much does this Synth cost?!???
blueeyesmuc24 1 year ago
1.55. PHAT
mullacy2 1 year ago
I think Usher's musical director uses this,a Minimoog and A Moog source as his Keybass rig....and it sounds DOPE!!
Moog168 1 year ago
Pendulum use this keyboard + sound
saronrock 1 year ago
I really like this demo and I'm glad you chose bass sounds, because that's where the difference between analog and digital becomes most apparent.
unkellsam 1 year ago
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My only complaint is the tempo adjustment is decimal!!! and so sensitive almost impossible to set a specific number like 120 bpm by hand, i use another external instrument by midi for set the tempo.
103959770979 1 year ago
I love Alesis, especially their drum machines. As far as keys go, (I am a drummer, not a keyboard player), I really like the *old* gear... i.e., Moog.
Yeah, back when "programming" was done with patch cords.
ADT
amourdutigre 1 year ago
God are we still on the who analog vs digital argument ? VA vs Analog-You can't compare this with a VA. They are fundamentally different. Sure a good VA can emulate pretty well but not completely. With certain sounds (or tasks) it becomes rather evident. A good trained ear will notice the difference. -Yes I said that! The subtle nuances of the filters on this unit are breathtaking! In the end I guess it's a matter of personal preference. I personally think this is the best analog out there.
jackTHEEtab 1 year ago
Nothing will beat good ol' analog circuitry. However in this day and age, majority of people listening to music won't be able to tell an A6 from say Vanguard or something. Analog for people who truly appreciate all the nuances that go with it.
I love this vid by the way!
deejaytruong 1 year ago 9
@deejaytruong i bet all my money that you won't be able to tell the difference between a prophet 8 and its software emulator.
JohnF30Music 1 year ago
@JohnF30Music depends which one you are talking about! I know there are some extremely well written software, the arturia and G media/force stuff all are very very good.
deejaytruong 1 year ago
i heard some one saying a user friendly synth i think that would be in terms of interface, makes no sense to talking about user friendly synthesis all synthesis is friendly if you understand it besides to compare synths you should compare the same category of synths that`s for another comment about dx7 is foolish to compare a fm synth with an analog one like andromeda
abscrete 2 years ago
and for the how the raw oscillators of the virus well most oscillators sound very similar i mean a square wave will always sound like a square so you get the normal oscillators you always get with this kind of synth square,triangle etc etc if you want to have an idea anyway it sounds prety similar to a nord lead 3 but that`s true thedemos on youtube are very bad,but it sounds much better than that i liked it ,about the efects is always useful to have more tool to further shape your final sound.
abscrete 2 years ago
WARNING !!!! This is a very weird synth.... it can get quite unpredictable with its sound and thus takes loads of time to master, but it always fully rewards you for the effort.
It has almost 800 of parameters to tweak, its sound pallet is just limitless.
I have mine for one weak, maybe in one month that I will feel comfortable with it , I will upload something.
thekilon 2 years ago
hate to say bad things, but this is not a well explored bass ability of the A6...I've played one and I can say it's got a lot more up it's sleeve...this is tiny mess-around session
TurtleDrunk 2 years ago
I agree! 100%. Never trust the presets to be the sound of the Andromeda. I have made some sounds in mine that you cannot hear in any A6 demo in Youtube. After all, I don't suppose someone buys an A6 for the presets. Roll up your sleeves and tweak those knobs!
ikazlar 2 years ago
post it them bud.. don't be so greedy. ")
jomarcavalcanti 2 years ago
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ikazlar 2 years ago
It's not a matter of digital, or 0s and 1s, or any other thing. You got this all wrong. I have scientific papers that prove that some things will not be emulated. Period. You can get pretty close with a really good digital synthesizer (if you know what you are doing) but there are certain things in analog that interact in ways that cannot be studied, let alone emulated, let alone emulated succesfully. It's not a matter of computational resources, at all.
ikazlar 2 years ago
"I have scientific papers that prove that some things will not be emulated. Period." LOL...you're an douche-bag.
autumngrief 2 years ago
Do you have anything to prove or you are full of air like farts?
ikazlar 2 years ago
lol, so many idiots talking shit about digitall without even having a basic understanding of it
Capeau 2 years ago
BTW these sounds arent that hard to replicate because its a loquality vid anyway.
Capeau 2 years ago
good synth, but it does not top the access virus TI !!
lodnaellid2 2 years ago
Do you even have ears on your head? Perhaps they've just been destroyed with trance. Remeber kids, Trance kills, don't even try it once.
jeremeohmy 2 years ago 4
are you crazy?!?! do you have an Andromeda and a Virus TI to compare with?? .. no probably not, my friend has Andromeda and an virus TI and the Andromeda is almost dead! he says that the Andromeda is like 1/4 of what the Virus is so HAH!
lodnaellid2 2 years ago
"I have a friend and he sez......."
Hah indeed!
ExternalInputs 2 years ago
what? O.o
lodnaellid2 2 years ago
well if your friend says so it MUST be true. so HAH to you :)-
egotistic1 2 years ago
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the virus is much more flexible than te A6
lodnaellid2 2 years ago
@lodnaellid2 The Virus only recently added (with OS4) modulation from its ARP section. The Andromeda has this since 2000. Also the A6 has CRoutes, which is a way to modulate a modulation. So, no, the A6 is much more flexible
ikazlar 2 years ago
lol and hardcore techno then ;-)
Synthdude13 2 years ago
Hahahaha, are you kidding me? Get the wax out of your ear.
M3sslah 2 years ago
that means..? <.<
lodnaellid2 2 years ago
It means that Access Virus even though it is good can never compete with this analog sounding synth.
M3sslah 2 years ago
it already has xD
lodnaellid2 2 years ago
For those without real knowledge of how a good and warm sound with alot of punch should sound like, Then yes, Virus is the shit for many, especially young people that was borned and raised with the virtual analog stuff. But if you listen carefully the Virus have nothing of the analog feel of a real analog synth like Prophet 08, Andromeda, Oberheim and so on. What the virus does to make the sound fat is put on endless effects. You can do that with this one also inside a sequenser.
M3sslah 2 years ago
You didn't really say the virus makes there sound fat by putting on endless effects did you?
just admit it now,
that was a mindless comment made out of nothing more than a desire to feel better about your own musical equipment manufacturer of choice.
the virus and the andromeda are both amazing machines don't knock either of them.
and worse than that,
don't be a fankid who makes brainless comments,
feel free to run through the virus presets and note a lack of endless effects :D
sdafsar 2 years ago
fuck...i accidently bunked this comment....well pretend like its plus 2 kudos.
kyledothailsatan 2 years ago
@sdafsar
I've been trawling through access virus TI demos, and the first thing that came to mind is that they seem very "glitzy" with too lots of effects added, and its very hard to get an idea of what the Raw OSC + Filter sounds are like. If anyone knows of any actually good Virus demos (any model), please recommend them to me, as all finding is cheap trancy/dancy demos.
djsmithy 2 years ago
The Andromeda is a lady that needs to be treated properly to get any results, but the're most pleasing when you get there eventually. The Virus is your more easy to get to know type who'll do anything you want for a quick fiddle, then lock you in for the rest of your life.
One needs balance, so get them both!
egotistic1 2 years ago
clearly you know how analog works but dont know sit about digital. Digital can (and soon will) sound exactly like analog and it can do much more you never could dream of with analog.
Capeau 2 years ago
Be sure to send me an email when the VST instruments sound like this. And also the VA synths, because there are none so far and they have been trying to copy real analog for 20 or so years.
M3sslah 2 years ago
yeah, but computer power doubles every 3 years or so, so its not like they had the same power available 20yrs ago.
Capeau 2 years ago
Has nothing to do with power of computer, it has to do with the technology that Digital handles audio signals. It's only 1's and 0's and everything is made up of that. It's to deep to explain here, but it's like saying that one day there will be a camera that takes better pictures than real life? It's not possible, analoge is the purest of signal you can get. Everything else is trying to imitate that, so even if that great camera comes along and it's supersharp and all, it's never real life.
M3sslah 2 years ago
i know a lot about digital workings, trust me, i know what im saying and the fact that its made up of 1's and 0's doesnt matter anymore because we can generate more than twice the resolution than the human ear can even hear.
Capeau 2 years ago
It's not so much what the ear can hear, it's what the vibration it sends and what you body feels. I know how I react when I hear pure analoge signal. Or even Vinyl records, it moves me in a whole different way, digital is sharper there is no denying. I know when I walk into a club if they play vinyl or CD. Analoge talks to my chakras more, it makes me feel things digital never have, it's in the subtles of vibrations that I doubt digital will be able to copy. And in that I have included high res.
M3sslah 2 years ago
thats because the vinyl is mastered differently (less qauality basicly) and the cd is mastered better (higher dynamic range and frequency responce).
Its not that hard to hear the difference and has nothing to do with digital VS analog as many tracks are delivered digitally to a mastering house before the vinyl gets pressed.
pls do look up the facts better before you believe anything fabricants of analog synth or the artists who are sponsored by them try to make you believe stories.
Capeau 2 years ago
comparing a photo with real life doesnt apply here.
An analog synth isnt creating 'natural' sounds, its creating much simpler stuff. The only difficulty comes from emulating the effect of the transistors and stuff but if you got the calculation power then theres no proplem at all in doing that.
Capeau 2 years ago
people have been saying digital will soon surpass analog for 30 years if not more.
Transistors still haven't completely replaced valves, and probably never will completely.
Actually the Virus isn't as digital as most people think - it has some analog IC's, just the same as the Andy has some 100% digital electronics.
egotistic1 2 years ago
the only difference is that analog is open to error. That mean the sound gets slightly distorted every time is passes through a circuit or whatever.
You can perfectly simulate this if you have the right model/study, but its computer intensive, so you need a fast cpu. Thats the only 'problem', but computers are amazingly fast these days and we are getting REALLY close!
Capeau 2 years ago
Essay time:
:D I'm sorry but that's nonsense. You seem to have taken one aspect of how either an analog or digital circuit can sometimes behave and applied it across the whole of audio theory in reverse. If you take a constant signal and turn it into a series of pulses you will always lose information. Higher resolution just decreases the loss. And while you can copy digital audio data with no further loss, processing that data will lead to further loss of the original signal.....
egotistic1 2 years ago
.....So what you hear will be different certainly to what you would hear if that same signal hadn't been manipulated digitally. It also very much depends on what exactly you mean by analog and digital. The Andromeda certainly doesn't contain anything like the discrete circuitry you would find inside something like a Jupiter 8 or a CS-80, so is it a true analog? I say yes but what exactly constitutes analog and digital, especially regarding a synth?
egotistic1 2 years ago
im not talking about mixing analog with digital. Im talking about 100% digital.
Its perfectly possible to recreate the same sound. If you like it or not, its the simple truth.
Capeau 2 years ago
Possible, maybe. A significant change in how digital audio is handled would be required though, which isn't going to happen anywhere near as soon as you suggest.
Whether you like it or not, real analog synths do sound better and will do for a number of years. Maybe you don't like the price, that's just tough I'm affraid :D
egotistic1 2 years ago
I know it is happening right now actually...
As a matter of fact i like hardware more than software, because its easier to express yourself creatively. Its so much better when you got something in your hands. I know you can but controllers for your vst's but for some reason that doesnt work so well for me knowing its 'just' a controller.
But you are right, the price aint worth the difference to me..
Capeau 2 years ago
It's supposedly been happening for the last 20 years. Processing power isn't the issue, it's the simple fact that creating a sound from scratch with a real analog oscilaltor will always sound different than a sound created from a mathematical model, no matter how accurate that model is.
It seems as though you agree, you just don't agree with the price you have to pay.
egotistic1 2 years ago
@egotistic1
A digital signal will ALWAYS be a interpolation of an analog signal. So it's the nature of digital to be lossy. Think of it as a circle on your computer screen. It will never be a perfect circle. The edges will always be jagged. You can increase the resolution but that doesn't solve the problem. So digital will never surpass analog so to speak.
dusp2k 2 years ago 5
@dusp2k
Yes that is partly my point, but the issue is deeper with a synthesiser. A sound created with an analog oscillator and a sound 'played back' from a mathematical model will always sound different. Which sounds better depends on personal preference and current trends of what people think sounds good.
egotistic1 2 years ago
you guys dont understand digitall and refuse to understand, this is pointless
Capeau 2 years ago
most people forget that you have a D/A transformer, at least when it turns into pressure of the air...so your arguemtn ist right, but i also prefer the analog synths...sounds so much warmer and fuller
mundschuss 1 year ago
@dusp2k
you and the guys who "thumbs upped" you have no idea about signal processing, lol.
Look NyquistShannon sampling theorem up on Wikipedia, you fools.
Taraborn 1 year ago
@Taraborn
That article proofs I'm right. Under the heading 'Reconstruction' it says 'Reconstruction of the original signal is an interpolation process'. Where interpolation always is 'making things up for data that isn't there based on other data.' In analog there is NO interpolation so the signal is in it's purest form.
Pointing people who know something about it to articles you don't understand yourself looks a bit lame to me.
dusp2k 1 year ago
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@dusp2k
Let's see, idiot. You think that "interpolation" means that some loss MUST occur. The article I've showed you (you didn't understand anything) says that, according to the well-known Nyquist theorem, if the sampling frequency DOUBLES the maximum frequency of the analog signal you can interpolate it PERFECTLY without any loss. I'm an electrical engineer, by the way, you're just a hobbyist.
Taraborn 1 year ago
@Taraborn
I have a masters degree in sound and audio theory. dusp2k is right. You are wrong. Calling people idiots just shows you cannot argue the subject any further.
egotistic1 1 year ago
@egotistic1
If you have a master's degree in "sound and audio theory" but can't understand Nyquist's theorem, then you are a complete retard.
Taraborn 1 year ago
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amourdutigre 1 year ago
@dusp2k
and by the way, you can't tell the difference between "it's" and "its", you're even stupider than what I thought...
Taraborn 1 year ago
1. I'm Dutch and speaking about my grammar mistakes is really stupid. My english is better than your Dutch. Trust me.
2. If you go off topic like this, I will not answer anymore in the future.
dusp2k 1 year ago
@dusp2k
1. I'm Spanish, so English isn't my first language either. Your point?
2. I haven't gotten off-topic, you're just mad because you think I humiliated you. Don't talk about things you know nothing about and that won't happen again, trust me.
Taraborn 1 year ago
@Taraborn Giid point.. at least twice the sampling freq... but there is always distortion
rellekium 1 year ago
@dusp2k but at a certain point it won't matter anymore. Our ears are finite as well.
Just like the eyes. As long as the circle 'looks' round to us, there's nothing to worry about.
Keybern 1 year ago
@dusp2k I'm not saying digital will surpass analog, but your comparison between digital audio and a circle on a screen is misleading. While it's true that we're looking at a jagged representation of a circle on a screen, we're not actually listening to a discrete digital signal. We're listening to a perfectly smooth analog signal created with the help of the information contained in the inaudible digital signal. Look up Nyquist :)
charonme 1 year ago
@dusp2k analog is also lossy, plus there's perfect software emulators.
JohnF30Music 1 year ago
@dusp2k Yeah but actually that doesn't make an iota of difference. One: beyond 16 bit / 44.1 khz digital audio quality (the lowest quality digital signal you'll hear generally), the human ear cannot discern an increase in quality. Two: even if you happen to be superhuman and can differentiate between digital and analog audio, just by virtue of imperfections in analog equipment, you'll get enough noise in the signal chain to degrade it to the equivalent of a digital approximation.
dgmulf 1 year ago
@dgmulf not true. listen to an at least semi clean vinyl record with a needle that isn't worn to shit on some decent speakers, then listen to it on the same stereo with a cd. you'll be able to hear more depth in the LP, guaranteed. You talk a lot of trash and I bet you've never recorded on tape at 15ips. Anyone who says high quality analog isn't percievable from 16/44.1 is a troll and a spammer. You can tell the difference between tape and 24 bit too. Doesn't take a rocket scientist, joe.
hotlanta71 1 year ago
@dusp2k
Then you don't understand that it is or will be possible. These days you can make a vector based circle. Which isnt jagged.
MarvelousScape 1 year ago
@dusp2k Not at all. When your sound card feeds your speakers a signal, it feeds it an analog signal. Everything that comes out of our speakers is analog (therefore a DAC is necessary to be able to hear digital audio). As long as the sample rate at which your DAC runs at is at least double 40 khz, then the signal can be reconstructed perfectly (bear in mind we can't hear above 20khz, therefore a 44.1 khz sampling rate is sufficient) via a high enough bit depth, and interpolation.
gLitCheRR44 11 months ago
@dusp2k * As long as the sample rate at which your DAC runs at is at least 40 khz. * Now as far as analog vs digital synths go, analog synths are different for "other" reasons. Such as VCO drift, the smoothness of a VCF and EG'S, the VCA'S inaccuracies etc. etc.
gLitCheRR44 11 months ago
@gLitCheRR44
All EG's in the Andromeda are digital, huge range, but still digital... Oscs are analog as are filters, the rest is digital, so actually its kind of a hybrid machine... (According to my manual) A great machine, Im never selling it.
tbonesixtynine 3 months ago
@dusp2k Not if you have a vector circle ;)
Pipootje17 10 months ago
@Pipootje17
It's about the screen and it's resolution, not about the circle. Even a vectorcircle will look jagged on your screen.
dusp2k 10 months ago
@dusp2k Nerd.
103959770979 9 months ago
@103959770979
What's your point mr. IT specialist?
dusp2k 9 months ago
@dusp2k Well you can be a Dr and no necessarily have to be dr frankenstein.
103959770979 9 months ago
@dusp2k but just like an hd tv we are rapidly approaching a time when there will be no humanly tellable difference agree?
Fheyd2Black 5 months ago
@dusp2k absolute logical truth right there.
neopandorex2 5 months ago
@dusp2k thats just not true, we as humans cant tell the difference up until a point, which we in the digital domain are well well past, ps computers can easily recreate more perfect circles than anaolgue systems can, think of it this way...the maths that define a shape can be programatically defined in a computer (ignoring re/production)
in the vein of your example try drawing a perfect circle with a pen or pencil :P Both analogue and digital are equally as good, just different methods.
sacredgeometry 5 months ago
@dusp2k p.s. most recordings these days are digital so the smallest bit of information is still digitally dictated ie a sample.....by your logic there would be no difference in a analogue and digital synth anyway for 90% of people.
sacredgeometry 5 months ago
I have to say, this synth really does sound better with the digital tuner on
sdafsar 2 years ago
Nice sounds, but you need to practice with a metronome. You own an instrument like that, you oughta at LEAST be able to play a bassline at a consistent tempo.
I'm not trying to be a dick, everyone needs to practice with a metronome sometimes.
oktology 2 years ago 3
I'd be set for life with one of these, a MaxiKorg, and a DX-7...
*sigh*
Too bad I can't even PLAY anything... I just love programming/noodling on synths... Maybe if I win the lottery, haha!
thesemenincident 2 years ago 4
haha if you do get me one and i'll teach you how to play. lol.
PKTO92 2 years ago
It's a deal, haha.
thesemenincident 2 years ago
why dx7? that's not a very programmable synth. Terrible interface and no KNOBS.
MARANTZamp 2 years ago
True, the DX-7's on-board interface is crap, but it is very programmable in terms of different sounds (and programming is made easier with MIDI software).
Plus, I have always been partial to the really harsh, noisy sounds that FM synthesis is capable of...
thesemenincident 2 years ago
So we need to interface it with a computer just to be able to program it? no thanks.
I'll take a synth that's designed to be user friendly, and stand on it's own as a self contained, programmable instrument.
MARANTZamp 2 years ago
Jewel from Alesis. unmatchable.
103959770979 2 years ago 2
This is one of my all-time dream synths...along with the voyager, virus TI, Jupiter 8 and MS20.
PreacherCaleb 2 years ago
Yeah thr old analog Jupiter 8's were sweet, loved the Prophet 5 and Yamaha CS-80 as well (not quite big and heavy enough though, lol)
robj200735 2 years ago
Way better than a Dave Smith Prophet 08. Not a big bass fan but the leads & pads are killer.
beautifulmicia 2 years ago 2
LOVE IT!!! It's god that phatness, and the glide.... it's like a moog. In fact, it IS a moog!!!
VacTrooper 2 years ago
id sell my right bollock for one of these.... is it any good for techno.. or hardtrance with a shit load of distortion?
seeyouintheeighties 2 years ago
Hu???? any synth can be used to make Techno / electronica
doesnt matter its all about how you program them.
LofiFreq 2 years ago
fuck yeah it is :D
shaft9000 2 years ago
Damn, that is alot of knobs and the sounds is great, really fat. Also I really want to get into synths, so i think i'm gonna start with something way less complex.....I was thinking of buying a microKorg! Good idea?
Compooky121 3 years ago
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co33a 2 years ago
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co33a 2 years ago
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Can be a pain for beginners to program as you need to delve into the menus, rather than tweaking loads of knobs like the MS2000. Get the newer MicroKorg XL as you can at least get a software interface for it which should help with programming.
co33a 2 years ago
No, bad idea. Get a used Alesis Ion.
synthartist69 2 years ago 2
Buy a Waldorf Blofeld, really cheap and unbelievable bang for the buck. The microKorg is a toy, not worth it.
PreacherCaleb 2 years ago
Just bought a microkorg I love it. Whats wrong with it? It has great sounds even though its not analog.
Compooky121 2 years ago
Well, i'm sorry it said it was a toy, but i've played around with one and while it's a cute little synth, the Blofeld blows it out of the water, both sound and feature-wise. Compare it to the Snow and the difference is even more obvious. It's good if you wanna learn synthesis, but it sounds too thin compared to the competition. That being said, i'm not a huge Korg fan (although i'd sell a kidney to buy an MS20 :)
PreacherCaleb 2 years ago
Also, it was very cheap and I don't have 600$ for a blofeld. This is sufficient for me since I have never owned a synth in my life.
Compooky121 2 years ago
Damn, i forgot you guys pay so much for it in the states, i got it for a bit over 300 euro (but i gotta admit, i have a guilty satisfaction when i see a piece of gear that's priced higher in the States, since most are usually much cheaper over there - same price in dollars and euros :P).
PreacherCaleb 2 years ago
Blofeld is good!
One of the encoders on mine isn't responding right though for some reason.
Biopharmer 2 years ago
I was one of the sceptics, am well verse with vintage analog. Sounds excellent, very analogish here.
hardcorehouse 3 years ago
nothing virtual about the A6 :)
phobik2000 2 years ago
Yup! ANALOG!! ;)
LofiFreq 2 years ago
.................?
babytog 3 years ago
Is it just me or do the envelopes sound a bit sluggish?
GuckNetSoBleeed 3 years ago
How fast do you want envelopes to go???The Andromeda is one of the best synths ever designed...period.
sneakyalien 3 years ago
just want to say to you all real quick. Yes there is a difference between analog synths and digital wave replications. Its a fact. But if you are talented enough,you can shape and form that wave perfectly..also,9th wonder uses fruity loops and hes one of the best..its not what you use but how you use it..look at bt for instance,he uses the most craziest sounds..he even took a whole album,compressed to one sound and made a beat..its in your mind,and only partially in the equipment..open ya heads
breakerkid86 3 years ago
"9th wonder uses fruity loops"
To sequence.
But don't be discouraged. You can learn alot 'in the box'. VST's are a great way to learn about effects,processors,synth programming,sequencing etc.
I remember beginning with a Fruity Loops and Cubase combo many moons ago, without any hardware at all. It taught me alot and not only is FL great for creativity but its still a great program for arranging drum patterns.
But as you grow in talent, you'll find it quite limiting.
contd.
DonJuanDeMarco2 3 years ago
Now i am fully hardware, and i wouldn't have it any other way. I know alot of producers who have sold their equipment to go 'in the box' but eventually they got sick of being limited to a mouse and screen.
I suppose there are some genres of EDM that allow for it, once you've had your work professionally mixed and mastered, you get away with it.
But if you want some real earth in your sound you have to go hardware!
The best way to go about it is, design 'in the box' then take it to a pro studio
DonJuanDeMarco2 3 years ago
I don't think I'll ever have one of my own ! :[
What's the best price for them now?
Biopharmer 3 years ago
Hmm its certainly analogue !
But its lacking something. I think if im gonna get an analgoue synth i'd stick to the classics.
But i'd be interested to get into the programming possibilities.
DonJuanDeMarco2 3 years ago
get a arturia origin.
dawoof 3 years ago
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I downloaded fruity loops and I can make all of these sounds and so more easily. This are so stupid!!!
yexey 3 years ago
Thats always the first impression for a newcomer. Its the same 'sound', but its not the same thing. Real analogue has 'body' as if it was a living thing. A VST is just a toy emulating the waveform. But something 'virtual'
cannot produce something 'organic'.
But beleive me, one day you'll hear them side by side, and don't worry.. you'll understand.
DonJuanDeMarco2 3 years ago 4
"This are so stupid"?
Your argument defeats itself.
jpmgmpj 3 years ago 3
yeah, some of us actually would like to see what a synth does, before dropping $3000 on it.
seriously, thanks for this video.
spydat3k 3 years ago
hahahahahaha you dont know what are you talkin about, im sure that you cant hear the difference between analogue and digital.. if fl is better.. why paul van dyk and all of those great musicians prefer this synth?. Hahha next time dont try to look cool among people who really know about this stuff, if you dont know about the topic dont make opinions, you can ask to learn but do not try to look cool.
raykno 3 years ago 2
i can hear the difference... check out the Quality of Sound in the highest and downest octave for exemple ;)
DjMicast 3 years ago
Why do so many amatures 'download Fruity Loops' and think they're experts. I've lost count of the number of people with silly views like this
co33a 3 years ago
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NO U R AMATURES. last week I got OVER 9000 plays on myspace so I will put my fruity loops songs on THE ITUNES and be so richer than u idiot.
yexey 3 years ago
Man, all these idiots aint no shit. This synth is ANALOGUE!!! so stop bragging about your out of date Casios you bought from some crackhead for $30 bucks!
BigHater007 3 years ago 2
This thing put Rolands and Korgs bakck on them boxes.
103959770979 3 years ago
I think the bass sounds on the juno 106 are phat.
Mattyuk1 3 years ago
1:00 : totally Deus Ex game soundtrack =D
czerwonymike 3 years ago
Sounds like a Matrix 12
Biopharmer 3 years ago
man it sounds pretty good but it doesn't touch an old or a moog for the bass. for most sounds at least. For electro basslines it'd probably sound pretty sweet. It's got such a unique sound it's definately usable for something!
CaptainOplanet 3 years ago
phaty?
NimaSun 3 years ago
the moog voyager has three oscillaters, this has two. the voyager isnt twice the price, these both go for about $3,000. both have plenty of phatness and functions...if you had both, youd use the voyager more for leads, this one more for sweeps chords ambience etc but not exclusively
marvinkmooneyoz 3 years ago
yo ive been lookin for the a6 for quite a while and i cant find it, i heard it was discontinued, alesis told me i have 2 wait til the end of the summer to get my order. if u know where i could get one holla at me.
BlakSept 3 years ago
i saw a few on ebay i want one aswel
ketaminebean 3 years ago
unmistakable true analog goodness....
fuck softsynths and virtual synths.
this my friends is the real deal.
layzer80 3 years ago
Please try a Oberheim Matrix 12 before discussing what's cool.
TrendyMessiah 3 years ago
hey, now those are awesome! But this thing is about equal to it.
Biopharmer 3 years ago 2
I did owe a A6. Now I use Prophet 08 and Oberheim. I miss JP8. A6 is great, but not the best, and not equal(my opinion). But it has it's own sound.
For me = old and wild Roland analogue bass is the best. Oberheim for pads and Prophet 08 for the rest.
TrendyMessiah 3 years ago
you know what sucks though, Korg poly-800, i have one of those. It's korg's juno
Biopharmer 3 years ago
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Base sounds are not impressive. I like the keyboard but still digital. At least is a different texture other than Roland or Korg.
vjrei 3 years ago
What?, bass sounds are not impressive?. The A6 can create some killer basses. Also, correction, the Andromeda is NOT digital, it's analog.
Jonno71 3 years ago 7