Amazon tribes Peru, Contacted natives, Amazonian jungle. Pueblos nativos. Convenio OIT 169

[GodOfUnbelief]

@mysteek29 you mean: to "free" people.

[perumilenar]

Yo no entiendo que hacen los españoles en esos lugares. Cual es el interes, "llevar la palabra", "buscar oro", "fama", en fin ellos como siempre lo han hecho desde la conquista tienen intereses obscuros. Por que no dejan a esa gente en paz. Si ellos estan bien así en armonia con la naturaleza, pues que dejen vivir. El problema todo esta en esta cultura occidental que todo ve acumular riquezas, tener mucho mas que ser. Los españoles nunca van a comprender porque ellos tienen paradigmas diferentes

[kittyweeks80t]

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[RosieRebel]

When we look back in history and say these people were robbed of their own culture, they you make those people helpless victims rather than rational beings who make their own choices. Missionaries although I do not like their role in colonization, they believe they are saving souls, sometimes people want to be saved. Go to Mexico and tell me that they don't love the Virgin Mary. They re-invented her & made their own Virgin of Guadelupe. I don't understand why people sit around getting angry.

[pedrosg92]

@RosieRebel it is more fair to admit, interests were too complex to belittle a 2 groups division. I study History at colllege and american precolonial societies had their own problems and many inherent conflicts and wars, we cannot judge so easily today the actions of some believers. Misioners were well intentioned and their cuote of religious arrogance was the least you could expect at the time. SORRY ABOUT MY ENGLISH, I AM FROM ARGENTINA. Many societies were allready abused by local powers

[Marinoht1]

y que se cree este español desgraciado que hace aqui hablando que se regrese a su pais este imbecil fuera españoles ladrones paguen primero lo que robaron ladrones igual que sus criollos que estan en el gobierno fuera del peru españoles ladrones mis hermanos de la selva tienen que soportar a toda esta gente que vienen con sus camaras ajoderlos dejenlos vivir tranquilos en paz seguro que estajn buscando petroleo o oro a eso solo van no ayudan en nada fuera de ahi largo de mis hermanos largense

[Marinoht1]

y que se cree este español desgraciado que hace aqui hablando que se regrese a su pais este imbecil fuera españoles ladrones paguen primero lo que robaron ladrones igual que sus criollos que estan en el gobierno fuera del peru españoles ladrones

[razorwatt]

missionaries not only spread or force their fuckin' religion, they also spread their fuckin' diseases. Why can't they just mind their own fuckin' business.?

[pedrosg92]

@razorwatt you are reasoning like a numb, like and idiot. I can asure you, misioners were the best that could happen to colonial sistem. Only very few european people, at the historical contexts were colonies develope were exent of religious arrogance and fanatism, it just a generalized mentality wich has its faults as ours may have nowadays(. my english sucks i now i am from argentina). We don't live in wonderland, we can't pretend misioners at the time to aply liberal filosofy towards natives

[albertsneijMD]

because, missionaries, have low self esteem and they doubt their own dogma. that is why, they want others to follow them, to believe as they do, and to go to Heaven with them. other wise, they doubt that they are doing the right thing.

[mysteek29]

@ spartan..now now thats not nice...but a 20 year old child i would expect that from...

[mysteek29]

I hate Missionaries. what right do they have to spread their religion to free people?

[panterarozimiplace]

Same as you to speak here.

[mysteek29]

@panterarozimiplace @pantera..The earth is a free place but we dont have the right to try to force them to change their culture. If yours is soo good keep i to yourself and enjoy, but dont try to force your god on people who have had theri god thousands of years before you. This is the same thing Muslims feel about the Americans. Tha we are animals and dont really live for god.

[spartanhentai]

@mysteek29 fuck you

[razorwatt]

@mysteek29 very good point. I agree totally

[Ausiz]

@mysteek29 Well, they do not force them to believe in anything, just share the message... in the end those indigenous choose themselves what to believe or not. That's what i call freedom.

[pablo8174]

@Ausiz thats what youd like to believe

[pedrosg92]

@Ausiz what. Excuse, by i study history and there are plenty of documental information that proves that precolonial religious practise got progresively censored by the religious institution in spanish colonies. You may sai that this does not supress automatically the subjetive believe but generates a progresive degradation of the material and simbolic forms of tradition wich are the means by exellency of mantaining beliefs. So there was an evident coercitive aplication of catholic doctrine

[Ausiz]

@pedrosg92 I am talking about current situation, not what happened centuries ago. These missionaries are not forcing nobody. If the indigenous religion suits them better, they will just ignore these missionaries..that's all. There are even christian missionaries who converted to indegenous religion after trying convert some tribes, because they began to like the indigenous ways more than christianity.. that's freedom.

[pedrosg92]

@Ausiz o sorry i missunderstood you sorry, i totally agree with you. I love this kind of encounters with exotic forms of culture, cause they estimulate our critic resource towards our axiomatic non criticaly evaluated values. Its great to respect their forms of culture, and it is usefull to limit nowadays global liberal capitalism and its derivates from imposing universaly and degradating nature. It also helps to relativise our manquiesm, and comonly acepted forms for localising good and evil

[mysteek29]

@Ausiz when they are ready they will travel and learn more....soon when their forest are gone the only choice will be to go to church in order to eat an the schools will be religiously subsidized...

its criminal

[sakpixam]

Es un buen análisis cuestionar el concepto de "no contactados" cuando es todo lo contrario. Están mejor contactados con la cosmivisión propia y el entorno cuando las sociedades occidentalizadas crean algo que podemos llamar "los no lugares"

[Lunabrije]

Soy alumno el Profe Anthonino hace trabajar en el centro de computo con documentales como este en Perù Junio2009 sucesos dolorosos Hermanos nativos muertos. Chalaco dice La Seva no se Vende la Selva se defiende"

[Lunabrije]

Fe de erratas Seva por Selva

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ollanta es mierda

[mariafischinger]

Claro que son una nacion.

Gracias

[kaloja2008]

"no contactados, con quien?", Excelente!!! . Es cierto, son los mas contactados con su mundo, con su realidad.

[c1e2s3a4r]

interesante