Basically before you comment on the 'log' in my own eye, please see the video at timing 0.50 - 1.10 yourself, and tell me that they are worshipping from their hearts.
Even big companies grow because they have good leadership, not just kind eyes that doesnt separate the truth and the half-truths.
Again, you are in no position to judge their hearts. You appear to confuse performance quality with the presence of the Holy Spirit. This is understandable, and it's common among contemporary Christians. That does not make it right. The measure of the Spirit's presence in our hearts can be found in 1 Corinthians 13.
The church is Christ's body in creation, not a "big company." Our criteria are different.
Yes, I can understand your brotherly love for your worshippers.
Basically if you want to put up an advertisement becoz you believe your product is good for the people, so that more will get to benefit from it, you dont put up an advertisement that says that your product is making you unhappy and reluctant.
Choose your people correctly, that's what the Holy Spirit does. With peace & joy.
We have. Those who have expressed an interest and shown musical gifts are being given an opportunity to learn and grow, with a congregation that's willing to care for and support them. We use these videos to both share worship with others, and to help train our praise teams. It's how folks grow in faith, in the knowledge that we don't expect perfection to come in an instant.
In addition, below is a song that is truly good. A heart that truly worships and know JESUS' awesomeness, His Greatness and Love, simply sends a message to whoever who is under the sound of that voice, to be touched and simply:
Look to Him.
At least even when you close your eyes to listen, i mean Especially you close your eyes to listen, you simply believe, that
These are kids, who are serving a small congregation and developing their gifts. You choose to mock them as they get up there and give it their best? And then you imply that their hearts aren't truly full of love for Jesus? It is a strange sort of Christian you are, little sister. As the Master might say, look to the log in your own eye before picking the speck out of theirs.
Those gathered for worship..even our new members..knew these were our youth, and welcomed and sang along with them. You said they were "lousy." You had to "close your eyes because you couldn't stand the sight." This is not mockery? There is nothing encouraging or gracious in what you've said. Be aware of yourself, little sister.
My apologies for being harsh on my words in mocking them being lousy or insincere, but I strongly believe that Worship, is not singing-along or letting unhappy kids have the chance to use the microphone on stage.
If the worshippers cant be happy when worshipping the One who Gave up All, then pick someone else whose heart is really into Worship to minister to the congregation, especially non-believer friends who are there for the first time, people who doesnt have the Holy Spirit, yet.
I appreciate your apology. Again, this is a youth praise group, being given a chance to develop and explore their gifts.
The measure of "having the Holy Spirit" comes not in being emotional, or in being a good performer. It comes in the manifestation of Christ's own grace and lovingkindness. That's the essence of a life lived as worship. This is what we try to show to "nonbelievers."
Not everyone, especially sinners whose eyes are not opened, would have 'kind' eyes to 'support' kids singing on stage. They are there to be ministered, to receive 'Hope', and seeing the vessels as testimonies of His Glory is vital. One without 100% kind eyes may be confused and debate the true meaning of worship when they see this.
Pls see my comments as a pure advise to motivate improvision instead of condemnation.
So we should judge our worship by the standards of this world? The true meaning of worship is not technical perfection in performance, or the degree to which a praise leader shows emotion. Those things are the measures of the World, and can be found in any secular concert.
What we teach in worship is not performance, but faith, mutual acceptance and forbearance.
Your comments may have been well meaning. If it is your intent to be constructive, then attend to your language.
If it is just simple fellowship session, with singing-along like such, is fine.
What I am seeing, is a live worship in church, where not just fellow members are present, people who needs to know how much God loves them, are there.
Being greeted with reluctant worshippers simply makes them confused, hence being nice, having 'faith, mutual acceptance & forbearance', is justifiable if it is within a small session when all eyes are forbearing & accepting, no matter how reluctant they are.
They get that in worship when 1) we pray 2) we read scripture 3) we proclaim the Word through the message 4) we pray again 5) we manifest grace to one another.
The knowledge of Christ's love comes when people live it out. That includes our worship experience.
Basically before you comment on the 'log' in my own eye, please see the video at timing 0.50 - 1.10 yourself, and tell me that they are worshipping from their hearts.
Even big companies grow because they have good leadership, not just kind eyes that doesnt separate the truth and the half-truths.
Jezebella2103 2 years ago
Again, you are in no position to judge their hearts. You appear to confuse performance quality with the presence of the Holy Spirit. This is understandable, and it's common among contemporary Christians. That does not make it right. The measure of the Spirit's presence in our hearts can be found in 1 Corinthians 13.
The church is Christ's body in creation, not a "big company." Our criteria are different.
BelovedSpear 2 years ago
Yes, I can understand your brotherly love for your worshippers.
Basically if you want to put up an advertisement becoz you believe your product is good for the people, so that more will get to benefit from it, you dont put up an advertisement that says that your product is making you unhappy and reluctant.
Choose your people correctly, that's what the Holy Spirit does. With peace & joy.
Jezebella2103 2 years ago
We have. Those who have expressed an interest and shown musical gifts are being given an opportunity to learn and grow, with a congregation that's willing to care for and support them. We use these videos to both share worship with others, and to help train our praise teams. It's how folks grow in faith, in the knowledge that we don't expect perfection to come in an instant.
BelovedSpear 2 years ago
The song is "Call on Jesus" by Hillsong Darlene Zschech.
Jezebella2103 2 years ago
In addition, below is a song that is truly good. A heart that truly worships and know JESUS' awesomeness, His Greatness and Love, simply sends a message to whoever who is under the sound of that voice, to be touched and simply:
Look to Him.
At least even when you close your eyes to listen, i mean Especially you close your eyes to listen, you simply believe, that
Nothing is impossible for Him.
Jezebella2103 2 years ago
Honestly, this is a great song, BUT
1) worship singers (esp the girl), is lousy.
2) I had to close my eyes becoz i cant stand the sight.
3) with my eyes closed, all the singing are Out-of-beat. (Dont believe? Listen again)
At least get some 'happy'/'willing' ones, whose hearts are truly praising Him, to go on stage.
One needs to believe His love and sacrifice before you decide to worship, without 'force', the congregation can tell.
It takes a heart of worship to touch lives.
Jezebella2103 2 years ago
These are kids, who are serving a small congregation and developing their gifts. You choose to mock them as they get up there and give it their best? And then you imply that their hearts aren't truly full of love for Jesus? It is a strange sort of Christian you are, little sister. As the Master might say, look to the log in your own eye before picking the speck out of theirs.
BelovedSpear 2 years ago
Stating a fact basing on what you see from a 3rd party's view, doesnt necessary mean that one is mocking.
Quality of the worship aside, even if I were to be there as a first timer, I seriously wont understand what is the meaning of 'worship'.
Jezebella2103 2 years ago
Those gathered for worship..even our new members..knew these were our youth, and welcomed and sang along with them. You said they were "lousy." You had to "close your eyes because you couldn't stand the sight." This is not mockery? There is nothing encouraging or gracious in what you've said. Be aware of yourself, little sister.
BelovedSpear 2 years ago
My apologies for being harsh on my words in mocking them being lousy or insincere, but I strongly believe that Worship, is not singing-along or letting unhappy kids have the chance to use the microphone on stage.
If the worshippers cant be happy when worshipping the One who Gave up All, then pick someone else whose heart is really into Worship to minister to the congregation, especially non-believer friends who are there for the first time, people who doesnt have the Holy Spirit, yet.
Jezebella2103 2 years ago
I appreciate your apology. Again, this is a youth praise group, being given a chance to develop and explore their gifts.
The measure of "having the Holy Spirit" comes not in being emotional, or in being a good performer. It comes in the manifestation of Christ's own grace and lovingkindness. That's the essence of a life lived as worship. This is what we try to show to "nonbelievers."
BelovedSpear 2 years ago
Not everyone, especially sinners whose eyes are not opened, would have 'kind' eyes to 'support' kids singing on stage. They are there to be ministered, to receive 'Hope', and seeing the vessels as testimonies of His Glory is vital. One without 100% kind eyes may be confused and debate the true meaning of worship when they see this.
Pls see my comments as a pure advise to motivate improvision instead of condemnation.
Jezebella2103 2 years ago
So we should judge our worship by the standards of this world? The true meaning of worship is not technical perfection in performance, or the degree to which a praise leader shows emotion. Those things are the measures of the World, and can be found in any secular concert.
What we teach in worship is not performance, but faith, mutual acceptance and forbearance.
Your comments may have been well meaning. If it is your intent to be constructive, then attend to your language.
BelovedSpear 2 years ago
If it is just simple fellowship session, with singing-along like such, is fine.
What I am seeing, is a live worship in church, where not just fellow members are present, people who needs to know how much God loves them, are there.
Being greeted with reluctant worshippers simply makes them confused, hence being nice, having 'faith, mutual acceptance & forbearance', is justifiable if it is within a small session when all eyes are forbearing & accepting, no matter how reluctant they are.
Jezebella2103 2 years ago
They get that in worship when 1) we pray 2) we read scripture 3) we proclaim the Word through the message 4) we pray again 5) we manifest grace to one another.
The knowledge of Christ's love comes when people live it out. That includes our worship experience.
BelovedSpear 2 years ago