LKL - Christian Singer Jennifer Knapp Comes Out - Pt. 3/4

[ItsLifex33]

BUT. this pastor makes me absolutely sick. This is why people turn from Christianity and God or completely resent God.

[ChrisCartan]

LOL "God changed His mind on shellfish"...just shows how his interpretation is flawed. Most Christians say that God never changes...

[migol1984]

in fairness, i'm just wondering how this show turned from "jennifer knapp comes out" to "pastor bob bostford is an airhead"

[greeneyes2164]

He represents everything that is wrong with fundamentalist Christians...Jesus must be so disappointed...

[lez4christ21]

I can not stand that pastor. >.<

[83redrose83]

The bible is bullshit.

[plankboi]

thank you Ted for bringing home the point about how we are all on separate paths and we are here to encourage each other here.

[davecameronz]

This is too cute. I love how people quote the scriptures as what Jesus said. First off, we don't even know if Jesus ever existed. Secondly, the scriptures were not even wrote until 60 years after Jesus supposedly ascended into heaven. So we're supposed to take the words wrote 60 YEARS LATER as verbatim? They have a word to describe people who do such: dotards.

[jedf666]

Why wouldn't one of them say point blank to bob to state publicly what his sins are? He is on the program to condemn homosexuals, but he admits that he is a sinner. If he believed that all men are sinners, and that none should cast the first stone, he would admit his sins. It's so incredibly obvious that he believes homosexuality is somehow worse, even though the bible states multiple times that this believe is a sin itself. He casts tons of stones.

[MrBob561]

god all this religious crap does my head in all people who are religious just need to shut the fuck up

[OxbowisaMstie]

This argument gets made a whole lot easier once you realize they are deriving their morals from a work of fiction.

[NormanGrubb]

Wow Bob, really made yourself look like a fool. Maybe your gay?

[janewndy]

the pastor looks gay, join us Sir!

[sillykatz]

Can I get a AMEN for calling this guy a douche!! You aren't a real christian if you are telling somebody who truly is christian, and just wants to love who they love with out judgement! The bible says a lot of things, I don't have enough characters to explain them but go to this website wouldjesusdiscriminate(.)org or watch the docs "Because the Bible Tells Me So" "Lord, Save Us From Your Followers" or "Fish Out of Water", they really helped me not only w/ my faith but w/ being a lesbian!

[introspy]

this kind of judgemental and self-righteous interpretation of "the word of God" leads to horrible things....end of story....not that everyone will go and murder a gay person, or ban them from churches, etc.....but a person's relationship with God is very personal...no other person has a monopoly on God...who is anyone to say that another person is not allowed to have a relationship with God?

[introspy]

ted's kind of judgemental and self-righteous interpretation of "the word of God" leads to horrible things....end of story....not that everyone will go and murder a gay person, or ban them from churches, etc.....but a person's relationship with God is very personal...no other person has a monopoly on God...who is anyone to say that another person is not allowed to have a relationship with God?

[philip2260]

ted should just shut up

[Keenbeanus]

I think Larry King and Jennifer Knapp are my new heros! God doesn't change his mind on things, God is the same now, today and forever. God hasn't changed, humanity has changed and the way we see God has changed.

Can you be gay and christian? YES! It's far too long to go into here, but it's so possible. I pray for Pastor Bob that the LORD opens his eyes to the reality of the situation at the moment.

[maskiavelli]

The term "homosexual" dates from the late 19th century, when human sexuality first began to be studied as a science. There is no term that means homosexual orientation in the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts of the Bible. The authors of the Bible did not understand sexual orientation and thus did not write about it. Thus, when you see one of these words in an English translation of the Bible, it is important to dig deeper and find what the original Hebrew or Greek text really means.

[Rarediel]

@chasinherhorse I feel bad for your son, he has a mother that doesn't love him.

[dejavu3552]

i guess we will find out when we die.....

[romancefan09]

wait did the pastor say that homosexuality is in the "list" of sins in the Bible? thats not mentioned in my ten commandments

[methroughandthrough]

Jennifer hasn't slapped him yet?

[kimmi90me]

Someone please enlighten me. Why do people constantly fight over a book. Our experiences in life shape our beliefs, our actions, our attitudes, etc. Why can't we think as independent individuals..as real adults. Don't be a blind sheep. its just a book.

[willtravelforfood]

This guy (Bob) is missing the point. But besides that he absolutely misses the point of what she's saying. He had no right what so ever, from a Biblical perspective, to write a blog about her. This guy kills me. There is only so hard you can try to project humility before you come across as fake.

[blannphinella]

God changed his mind on shellfish? What a joke!

[WeAreBullets]

why is he singling out homosexuality from all the other "sins" that we commit? - is it because we know that adultery hurts people and is damaging, but is homosexuality? (AIDs has already been proven to not originate from homosexuality, i mean anyone can get STDs in a hetero relationship). so what is the real question here? is homosexuality really a sin? cause in leviticus they also condemn other ordinary things, like piercing your ear or eating pork. ...?

[mufc1luv]

I don't know this guy. But what he is saying is actually a little scary. How "God can change his mind"..? (The Gospel According To Pastor Bob) He knows Gods mind?? WOW! Amazing!! NOOO, That is HIS INTERPRETATION. AS IS THE BIBLE THE INTERPRETATION OF THOSE WHO TRANSLATED IT, FROM SACRED & MYSTERIOUS HEBREW & GREEK TEXTS!

How can you put a good living, loving, committed relationship in the same bracket as prostitution or porn just because it happens to be same sex? Love is love is love is love.

[mufc1luv]

@chasinherhorse Oh the poor boy! All based on a questionable intrepretation of two words. So very sad.

[Svperstarr]

There is no Jesus, you people are fools.

[fake7482]

leviticus is full of old testiment/old jewish laws that (for the most part) apply to us anymore.

[Matthewcoakley08]

So what about shellfish, can I eat that, cause in leviticus that's an "abomination". Or how about having long curly hair? Well, what about me having to work on saturdays, are you gonna stone me? No I can do all of those things, but I still can't be gay? Man what a problem with picking and choosing we must have.

[kimborious]

As a heterosexual christian who attended bible college... Paster Bob is flat.out.wrong. I am saddened by the representation of the Evangelical Community. He speaks like a politician.

[ddrgenius]

9:41 So if Pastor Bob agrees with Peter that God said to "eat whatever you want". Isn't it in context when Jennifer Knapp is chewing on box?

[ddrgenius]

Bob there didn't answer, but the real reason Christianity considers homosexuality a greater sin than any other is because in Christianity it is taboo to talk about sex. They consider it shameful. Knapp has a sexual advantage over Pastor Bob. So subconsciously, pastors like Bob project a veil of twice the holiness which in reality is just a veiled projection of twice their hatred. Just look at the way Bob utterly despises Ted Haggard, he can barely hide it with his twitching lips.

[drewplanner]

I like how when Larry asked him if he eats Shellfish. The Pastor says "no, Im not (a sinner)". What a liar and hypocrite.

[lauriedement1]

Oh, please, let it stop!

[lauriedement1]

People are going to believe what they believe about the Word of God. There is no arguing The Word. No one wins. There always have and always will be differences. Don't bring yourself down by trying to argue with someone about your own beliefs. It just makes everyone look stupid.

[GloriousMaximus]

Thanks for the upload.... The two pastors were owned by Ms. Knapp and I'm glad that we have such a person to stand-up for gay Christians.

Also, God never changed his mind on shell-fish. It was part of the Jewish purity code that was needed before Jesus was crucified, and after his crucifixion Jesus fulfilled the need for the Jewish purity code, and as such it was no longer a sin for someone to eat shellfish.... at least, that's how I understand it :D

[ErinN666]

that man is a dickhead!

[sandial777]

notice that he never points to scripture... he leans only on "his own understanding."

[Hondarider464]

"homosexuality, adultry, stealing" only 2 of those are on the "list" he talked about

[Hondarider464]

0:01-0:59 consider yourself owned bob

[073164]

This is one of the most ignorant men that i have ever heard speak. He is the farthest thing from being a christian, he certainly does not walk, talk, or love like jesus. He's probably gay himself and is trying to point a finger to the obvious. God is the only one that can judge us, move on with your on life.

[pennypyro42]

She's got a point, a good point, when she says he doesn't really know her (that well.)

[violiner2000]

Go Jennifer! Represent what Jesus tells in the New Testament- LOVE. Not judgement.

[Jessdar1]

Tedd Haggard, who are you to say what is right and wrong. He is a liar and a hypocrite.

[alterbridgefan99]

DON'T INTERRUPT ME!!

[alterbridgefan99]

I'd love to see Jenn pop him in the face!!!! I can't stand pastors like that!

[samhan81]

lol@ tazzmachazz

[tazzmachazz]

Jennifer Knapp...ditch the religion crap. And live your life. That bald pastor is clueless to his own bible.Good grief. Acts 10 was not about food...the dream was about people....Geesh.

I wish my atheist ass could debate him.

[luiz19169]

Finally somebody who have courage, she is a real Christian

[mrpayne123]

I wish people treated humans how they felt was right and not how the Bible says to. That is really making this idea of simple human rights and freedom difficult to agree on.

[bikerbutterfly]

IF I CAN FINISH...Pastor Bob - oh geesshhhh....very interesting. I love Jennifer. Her music is wonderful and full of our Lord

[tugboat2030]

Ted is so good talking about people like they're not in the same room, or video feed.

[strawberryseason]

Bob Botsford is an egoist.

[Hopeful71]

Pastor Bob is simply trying to make his bones attacking a famous person. I wish there were a hell so this guy would get what he deserves.

[divemorningshow]

If the "Scriptures" & the TRUE Nature Of "God", are NOT "Still Being-Written", Through Our Lives,

...Then EXACTLY-WHY Is It That Jesus-Himself Says-That, WE are The "Living-Word", Of God?

...Do We NOT Still-Have the VERY-SAME, "Spirit-Dwelling" In US That Raised Jesus The CHRIST From The "Dead", & Wrote, (& Interperrated), the Sacred-Texts As WE Know-It?

[graciev07]

oooohhh he is sooooooooo wrong about the food!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!! But w.e. Everyone justifies there own sin. That's why everyone should live individually and be happy.

[ESMEJENNINGS]

That pastor Ted speaks rubbish!

[kriegerkaiser]

The bastard knows he is wrong; he cannot even look at her.

He is disgusting and is the type of person who drives people away from Christ. What a shame.

[shaniali]

I admire her, she has guts, I'm glad she did it

[thisismethisiswhoiam]

man what a bozo. Jennifer seriously needs to take that back hand of hers and go clear across that guys face. if i was in that seat, i would so do it myself. i hate pastors like that seriously

[carmelinasmiles]

Jennifer i too..deal with these issues..i love you..i have for years now..we found our faith through you..love is love..sin is sin...Thank God for my unearned grace..

[cdw222]

9:34 pretty much says it all.

[rockercat91]

I'm so damn proud of Her!!!! Stand up for yourself Jennifer!!! <3 

[JaboBabo]

These people are like nails on a chalk board... Bob's speaking only in a way that evangelical Christians will understand.... he talks too much... and he lets Larry and Jennifer get away with illogical missteps... Ted won't answer a direct question... and they all come off as ignorant on different levels... (King kills me throwing out these stupid old arguments on Scripture changing) that said, Jennifer is the most logical of everyone on here, and comes off as the most confident.

[flypejose]

@JaboBabo Great analysis!

[zeldahopper]

well said Ted!

[bhickman6]

hahahah. This is awesome. I love when Christianity exposes its stupidity. Yet another example of the emperor has no clothes. The fact that people still believe in this supertitious nonsense just goes to show how Christians choose not only to be mentally retarded but also promote evil against freethinkers.

[einnor212]

HAHA, this pastor is a close minded moron, GOD DOESN'T CHANGE HIS MIND...God doesn't have a mind, God is infinite consciousness, it is above our meager minds. Side note: the bible was written by man, not God sorry

[princiskaa]

some people are gay, so? please get over it!

[213SmithJohn]

@princiskaa

Islam doesn't get over it, they kill it. Scary thought isn't it.

True Christians however, love.

[lisaluvsrob]

We are all so clueless! Lord give us wisdom. We need you everyday just to keep our minds sane! Help us to get desperate for you. Help us not to bash or judge others but to cry out for them in our prayer closets. We are so quick to judge and we don't even know Your heart. Forgive us Father! You've given us your word which is the voice of You. Help us to study it not just out of religious rules but to ask your spirit to guide us when we read it. We need you Jesus.

[Dudungski85]

for some reason Bob is saying that he's going to be saved and Jennifer's not... Hmmnnn...

[GeneralArrow]

LOL, Bob just called him self a sinner at the end and didn't even realize it.

[gustjorodedheo]

"Don't interrupt me." Go get him, girl! Show him he's an out of line, double talking, weasel! "Cast the first stone?!" Seriously, that's been shown to be a very late addtion to the text! Mr Master of Divinity, you should know that!

[rockel1986]

"Bob, don't interrupt me."

[geckoo22]

Pastor Bob is a bigoted asshole. He judges, judges, judges and twists and interrupts as he choose to defend his own fears, hatred and bigotry.

[renee0722]

I find it sad that Pastor Bob is so sure that he has it all figured out (like the Pharisees?). I only wish he could comprehend the pain and grief that he continues to bestow on his fellow believers...MANY of whom are gay. Surely there are more important things on which he could focus his energies. We should pray for him.

[dazeegirl]

God did not "Change His mind" on shelfish or other unclean meats. Man changed it for Him when they misinterpreted His Word!

[zakiechan]

"He who is without sin, cast the first stone" is not found in any of the oldest manuscript copies. New Testament scholars know that this was a made up story, inserted into the manuscripts hundreds of years later. That is, Jesus never said it. So why is this "learned" pastor quoting it?

[umbrellasforsnow]

"He changed His mind."

God changed His mind. Hilarious.

[writersxxpassion]

according to leveticus, wearing mixed fabrics is a sin, so he is surely living his life out in sin as well. NO DIFFERENCE

[Singsinglala]

[...] To discuss this is intriguing and also needed, but I feel that at some point we just have to stop and admit that we have two different points of view, that we don't manage to bring them together, and that therefore we have to find a way of living with each bearing the tension.

[Singsinglala]

Very interesting talk! - But the crucial point here is not about who is sinning and who not, as everyone present acknowledges that they are sinners. But the core issue is "What is sin?", "Which behaviour is sinful?". It comes down to our interpretation of sin as such. [...]

[pinkhott29]

hahahaha what a retard pastor bob.

gay prideeeee

[puck44]

I'm embarrassed to be associated as a christian to this Pastor Bob. If Jesus is alive today, whom do you think he'd be hanging out with and whom do you think he'd be inviting to his 'church'?

[matatat1]

@puck44 sooo true

[angelwhite]

Regarding last post, quote is by Dan Barker, not Bob Barker :P

[angelwhite]

Bob pretends to be preaching a message of love, but to accept this message, you must first accept his premise that you're a horrible person. Go through his words in this interview and count how many times he talks about "sin". Bob Barker captures it nicely: "The very concept of sin comes from the bible. Christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! Would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?"

[ElDardoAmarillo]

I wish they didn't have to stop at 2:25, I think that discussion was going somewhere.

[earthygreen]

@ElDardoAmarillo I agree with you on that.

[jules4456]

Tjis scumbucket "pastor ted" cannot tell anyone what is sin and what is not.

[mymind1086]

I think it would be good to come up with a definition of what it means to "judge" someone. I think judging is more than simply disagreeing with someone's actions.

[cmayberry86]

This Ted Haggard guy is a snake. He never gave a straight answer.

[westra57]

Wow could Ted Haggard be any more patronizing and not forthcoming with answering the questions presented to him.

[lupevensie]

@westra57 I heard it completely differently. In my opinion, he was trying to not condemn Jennifer, and he did not want to judge or criticize her decision.

[renitag12]

Christians, please lets strive everyday to please our Lord Jesus. One day EVERYBODY will kneel down before him. No matter what people belief, or says. It's what the word of God says.

[girl911]

if you haven't seen "For the Bible tells me so" you should.. it's about a point a view where there are no specific verses about condemning homosexuality .. watch?v=04AVRslVRbY

[JazBlogShow]

The Pastor is just a brainwashed moron who wouldnt see God if he stood right before him.

[Kaimosae]

"I'm not condemning you. I'm here because I love you..."

Oh, lawd! That is SO cringe worthy!!!!

[stevebuck77]

John 8...the adultery story. Sorry buddy, not in our earliest manuscripts. Later addiction. BAAAM! Failure. Let her live her life. She's happy. I think it's cute that she snuggles and has oral sex with a woman. I think it's great because that's hot as shit!

[jefferygwatkins]

Did Ted Haggard just say smoking and drinking are sins?

[iwusinger]

Wow... that comment about revelation made me really angry!

[iwusinger]

I would leave my church if he was my Pastor. He's talking in circles. He's not acknowledging what she's saying... and its worth the thought.. that sin is sin is sin.

[scantron81]

Jennifer is sharp as a tack and gentle as a lamb. Something all Christians should strive for.

[U2JanetFan]

@scantron81 so true

[noncharon]

Her "accuser" is sitting right at the table with her.

[pcsassy03]

There is a fantastic book that all Christians gay and Straight should read.

"What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality"

By: Daniel A. Helminiak Ph.D.

It goes through the cultural and historical context as well as the Hebrew and Greek interpretations. AWESOME witnessing and study tool.

Here is an awesome devotional as well.

"Reconciling Journey: A Devotional Workbook for Lesbian and Gay Christians" By: Michal Ann Pepper

[DLJgay]

that guy Bob Botsford is such a dick and Ted Haggard is gay!.

[laurathemissionary]

Ted, Good job at not offending anyone, but you still aren't getting anywhere.

[ohohnoy]

lol "eat whatever you want"... pun intended?

[Kat44444]

@ohohnoy EPIC win. :)

[youcanreachmatt]

Pastor Bob = Pastor Knob

[youngciku]

I'm surprised that Ps Bob would use the Cornelius passage as an example. When God told Peter that he could eat 'shellfish' it was in the context of Peter's refusal to preach to the Gentiles, and God wanted Peter to know that he should not call unclean, what God has made clean.

I think that's something Ps Bob should think about when he wants to next call JK a homosexual living in sin. Do not dare call unclean anymore, what God has made clean.

[nubbs]

so to summarize:

pastor: homosexuality is a sin because the bible says so

knapp: homosexuality is normal because science says so

im going with science, thanks