Captain Picard depicts non-interventionism as philosophy.

[Phummuph]

@Yukondano2 How is he crazy? Following our Constitution is nuts?

[Phummuph]

How is Ron Paul crazy? When did following our Constitution become nuts?

[Rickdeckard2020]

Paul/Picard? funny

Paul's a neofeudal capitalist

You guys may have missed the part where greedy capitalism no longer exists in ST's 24th century. People get all comforts for free and work in the fields that are of interest to them, doctors heal not to get gold or money but because its useful appreciated and they like the medical field. Money as we know it no longer exists and isnt needed, greed and accumulation of wealth arent the driving force in people lives, improving yourself and society is

[Yukondano2]

@Rickdeckard2020

Plus Ron Paul is just crazy generally.

But really, I hope we have a future like that. Minus the transporters, since it actually kills you and creates a clone of you at the other end. I probably shouldn't rehash that though.

[Chessbama]

@Yukondano2 I've wondered about that too. Isn't the transporter a cure for death in a way? Just save everybody's transport pattern at some point in his/her life.

[TheLackofattack]

@Rickdeckard2020 Where society never changes the poor will always be poor, and the rich will always be rich. Capitalism is necessary for a free and vibrant society where the winds of change can flourish.

Example: Picard's family owns a vineyard. What if a monetarily-poor garbageman dreams of owning it? how can he possibly acquire it? in a world where acquisition of wealth isn't possible for the purposes of trade? You have to be born into it?

[harleykman]

RON PAUL

2012

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Non-interventionist for nearly 40 yeas

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[astari24]

Paul / Ventura 2012, Picard for Congress!

[Lazyguy22]

Fuck the Prime Directive.

[SSJZTrunks91]

@Lazyguy22 Did you read that from Vanguard?

[LoneRookRS1]

If only we'd followed Picard's wisdom over Iraq. Millions could have been saved.

[twooffour]

@LoneRookRS1

Nothing "wise" about it in this case - still better than letting a whole planet die, but the people here are fucked in the ass by a bunch of smug jerks.

One day they'll find out that the "disease" is just cold turkey, and what then? Will there be animosity and war? Will there be if Picard tells them right away? Or could he help dampen the animosity by saying "hey, listen, you're not sick, no go out there and do good"?

The notion that "intervening" can only make things worse...

[twooffour]

@LoneRookRS1

... is fucking stupid.

Donating to charity in other countries is "intervening".

Taking out Hitler before he started the war wouldn't have necessarily resulted in a disaster.

[gamerboy781]

@twooffour There were many other things that allowed that too happen, namely the comlicity of the people who perpetrated the atrocities and failure of other countries to make sure they could defend against the Nazis. A strong defense is often better than a strong defense, what if Hitler had started invading the other countries only to find his military repulsed. It could have been averted a number of different ways that weren't tried.

[187Unseen]

@LoneRookRS1 yeah totally! picard never once disobeyed the prime directive! and all those dirty kurds should still have to live in fear! and his sons should have continued to do whatever they pleased! yeah they totally didnt want him ousted either! sarcasam aside, im laughing... and not with you either.

[LoneRookRS1]

@187Unseen Insurgents and rebels in their native countries have done more to free middle-eastern countries from tyranny than Western powers. We gave these people weapons and flight training, bombed their countries, and then you wonder why 9/11 happened?

[187Unseen]

@LoneRookRS1 no, with the proliferation of madrasahs there is nothing to wonder about.

[LoneRookRS1]

@187Unseen What's that, a type of curry?

[187Unseen]

@LoneRookRS1 gord gord!

[Vegemighty]

Paul/Picard 2012

[ironclad452]

@Vegemighty Haha! I'd vote for that :)

[AbyssCrown]

@Vegemighty The character of Picard is nothing like Paul, and vice-versa.

[KarinMikazuki]

@Vegemighty

Vote for Ron-Luc Paucard!

[MrRocksW]

I don't know why I watch these videos.

[Stevenio]

@MrRocksW Lol what?

[lerandalthor]

Yes, I'm tired of us running on this Interventionism kick. I'm glad that people are finally waking up to being used as cannon fodder for a sincerely nefarious worldwide manipulation. Sure, intervening buys us peace for a short time, but it all comes crashing down when the people realize that they've been duped. And that's happening now. Thank you, free communication via internet.

[jazzx251]

I think he's wrong.

Shit as we were to them, India learned democracy off Great Britain.

Shit as they were to everybody around them, the USA and France learned their system of balanced government from ancient Rome.

It's about the intermingling of ideas between cultures that bring advancement.

A world with no disease and no poverty and the capability to travel through several galaxies has a moral obligation to help advance other civilisations to the same level to quickly alleviate suffering.

[hagenar]

@jazzx251 By that logic, Afghanistan should be the safest and most advanced country in the world by now.

[jazzx251]

@hagenar

Er no, we would still have a safe haven for Islamic terrorists and the dreaded Taleban still in control, banning music, blowing up works of art and executing women in football stadiums.

Even though your analogy is flawed, intervention was overall the right thing to do - although the USA's motives are extremely questionable (as usual).

[hagenar]

@jazzx251 I wasn't just talking about recent years. Afghanistan has been rolled over by more advanced foreign armies for thousands of years. Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, the Mughal emperors, British and Indian armies, Russia, then the Soviets, finally NATO. All that might and all those deaths. With the end result of being one of the most dangerous and unstable places on earth.

[shrapn0]

Al Qaeda was created through the following of a form of Salafism that Bin Laden adopted after following the lessons of Sayyid Qutb. But enough on that, you can find all the history about that if you look properly (may I suggest "Gods Terrorists" by Charles Allen). I'm no ventriloquist for the Serbian Muslims but I can safely say that many may be grateful that the ethnic cleansing put forward by Milosevic was actually put to a stop. Iraq was worse before the US went in, as any Kurd will tell you.

[Blain1971]

No wonder all the people in the Federation are so smug. They get to sit back and watch people die then pat themselves on the back for not "interferring". I'm glad its only Fiction.

[novasigma]

@Blain1971

You've obviously not been paying attention to history then. Al Qaeda was created because of western interference. Iraq is now on the brink of civil war and over a million people are dead because of western interference. Societies develop naturally, and sometimes that means that people suffer and die. The American war of independence and civil war illustrates this. But foreign interference against the natural order of a culture will always have disastrous effects in the long term.

[avielMenter]

The prime directive is a relic of the vietnam era. It's outdated: any extreme stance, be it to always intervene or never, is immoral

[carolm62]

Awesomeness!  :-)

[YesWeCantaloupe]

He's half-right. Anytime there is *government* interference there are disasters. When businesses intervene, there is prosperity.

[patrick42h]

@YesWeCantaloupe Exxon-Valdez.

[YesWeCantaloupe]

@patrick42h How many deliveries of oil did that ship make before it spilled? Better question: how many lives were improved dramatically from the sale of oil?

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

@YesWeCantaloupe

Your statement also presupposes that property rights are clearly defined and earnestly enforced, which is not the case with anything involving environmental damage. Measures designed to deal with this problem generally revolve around arbitrary decrees and quotas, rather than around privatization and market processes. The sea is especially vulnerable: I don't think I've even heard of a jurisdiction which recognizes sea homesteading.

[mynameismatt2010]

@PanzerDivisionBOM Uh, "enviromental damage" What has that got to do with property rights? Sea homesteading? Do you not know international law regarding shores?

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

@mynameismatt2010

Exxon-Valdez won't dump their oil on your backyard, because you will claim for damages. This is because you have a personal, vested interest in maintaining its condition, and the means to protect it from damage through the legal system. If they want to do it anyway, then they need to procure some sort of easement to that effect, and a negotiation takes place to determine aggregate valuations of the various possible uses of your land. -

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[PanzerDivisionBOM]

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- In comparison, the bureaucratic stewards of the sea have very little personal interest in maintaining the sea, and occasionally even stand to further their individual careers by looking the other way. Worse, they have only technical knowledge to reveal the various possible uses of this resource, and no market process available to determine society's aggregate valuations of those uses. They must decide arbitrarily who gets to pollute and how much. -

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[PanzerDivisionBOM]

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- This comparison is what I tried to get across in my original comment. YesWeCantaloupe's comment that business creates prosperity requires the existence and rigorous enforcement of clearly defined property rights, and cases like Exxon-Valdez are very instructive in demonstrating this.

I hope you will forgive me for being more verbose this time.

[mynameismatt2010]

@PanzerDivisionBOM What i was confused about was whether you were meaning enviromental damage from things like the burning of coal or the production of CO2 and other things that truthfully have little to no real effect on anything at all. I feel like you are saying a lot about a point that isn't clearly defined when you speak about people polluting the ocean, what is the root of the issue in your opinion?

[Tasadaru]

Hot damn! Starting to like Star Trek more and more.