God Loveth His Children Pt1: LDS Pamphlet on Homosexuality

[mneunbamboon]

So impossible to "read inbetween the lines" on John Dehlin's videos. Idk what it is about his presence, but it makes things so boring....

[Vitreophilus]

At 12:12..."Dan says that I should announce that he is an avowed heterosexual." Don't you think his brother dies a little inside when he hears this? Sure, most of the guys in the room chuckle at the attemted humor, but what he really wants to make very clear is that he is NOT a homo even though he's related to one. That's the attitude shared by most straight men and the damaging effect that it has on those who are gay is a glaring reality that a thoughtful pamphlet can't fix.

[djingococa]

Some men are made angels inthis life( like through castration, just as they castrated baritones in the past so that they didn' t lose their voice) and others are born angels. Good news is gays people WILL NOT burn in hell ,so unless you kill or deny the Holy Ghost, u won't be punished nor damned.

[RideCO550]

The LDS has no stance on homosexuality....being "worthy" is the only "calling" that excuse your emotional/physical stance of being worthy of the authority of the church.......bullshit???

[IntrapersonalKent]

Precise and sustainable statement.

[randy95023]

Being born gay is obviously not a choice. Acting out on gay desires and actually performing sex acts IS sin according to scripture. It's a terribly unfair dilema. People born alcoholic certainly didn't choose it. Saying "God made me this way" doesn't excuse becoming a drunkard. We all have human weakness of one sort or another. Jesus NEVER promised that following Him would be easy...

[SpanishForkOutcast]

Being a Mormon IS a choice. Should we make it punishable? I know religions that say it's a sin to be LDS.

[theminimumdog]

It is a sin to be LDS. Why? Because whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Mormonism, Josephs Myth, et al, is a false religion, therefore, from a biblical standpoint at least, it is sin to believe false doctrine.. In the USA you have the constitutional right to be LDS, but that is off topic.

[Blueknightex]

Anybody know where I can find a printable version of this pamphlet? Something that only has some text, no pictures and no color? I would like to show it to one of the transvestites in my Catholic school heh heh

[bitesizeme]

this is absurd, I like to tune in to the ol' church crowd occasionally to remind me why I left it.

Enjoy your miserable lives...

[SpanishForkOutcast]

I have to agree.

[chesterfield1989]

For clarification, please read my comments from the least recent of mine upward. This will result in a concise essay of my thoughts.

[Blueknightex]

Wow you're like the only person here made all these comments. I was reading them and I find them, very helpful

[chesterfield1989]

feel that if one is truly happy, regardless of their sexual orientation, then the opinions of others, regardless of their status in the LDS hierarchy, are irrelevent. If truly happy, the person in question should be unafraid to assert their right as a person and place within the church without the slightest reticence.

[chesterfield1989]

Tragically, one of my friends who has announced his homosexuality may never see his sister marry at a temple due to his identity. If the church can accept the obese, a variety of cultures and races, men and women, and even those converting from other religions, then what is the problem of accepting people simply trying to find happiness in their own skin? I

[jralaska20]

Ok Being obese is a choice just like homosexuality. Sexual preference is all it is and thats a choice of the person who decides hmmm do I want to live with a man or a woman? As a man I chose women. Women have the same choices. If the obese decide to change and slim down that is still their choice.

To find happiness in their own skin is just trying to tell God that we can do whatever we want. God gave us guidelines to live by to help us with true happiness.

[jralaska20]

To live the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Live the Law of Chastity, Live the 10 commandments are to name a few. If you want to be gay and live in church guidelines then great go for it. But you will never find true happiness.

[SpanishForkOutcast]

I agree actually--I think you need to leave the church to be gay and happy. Because you can't be happy leading a lonely, loveless life like the church suggests.

[SpanishForkOutcast]

When did you choose to be heterosexual?

[EwanSF]

Well, being a gay man, I can tell you that it ain't a choice, you fuckin' sanctamonious piece of shit. And I'm in a far better position to make that call than you. Fuckin' moron.

[usaaok1000]

@EwanSF Homosexuality is a mental disorder. God made Man and Woman for the purpose of creating more people and for companionship. Homosexuality does not allow that because you cannot reproduce with the same sex. I find it ironic that u peoiple curse us and get mad when some of us curse u back. Its like u can insult us but we cannot insult u. I know that homnosexuality is a sin because Heavenly Father says it is when he destroyed sodom and gommorrah. I'll be praying 4 u.

[kachadliev]

@usaaok1000 Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed not because of homosexuality, but because of they lack of hospitality that was shown. Considering the hate and discrimination the LDS church experienced in the past, it would be much more logical that its members would be a lot more understanding and compassionate towards others and not refer to them as mentally ill.

[chesterfield1989]

Second, and on a matter of political philosophy, I feel that it is the job of a mature and well-balanced church to accept everyone for who they are. Although cliche, the core of any religion is service, and it is inappropriate to assume that through exclusion, a greater service may be obtained.

[chesterfield1989]

If homosexuality, which has no basis in the quality of persuasion a person may have or the service he or she may provide God, then it seems the reasons for considering such attraction as a condition, as wrong, are wholly distorted.

[chesterfield1989]

I find it strange that while LDS considers being gay a potential problem, it does not consider obesity or the intentional screening of its younger members against issues such as sex, drugs, alcohol, abortion, and other important topics to be a hindrance when trying to convert members.

[chesterfield1989]

If a characteristic such as homosexuality does not interfere with a person serving and helping others through difficult times in their lives, let alone finding answers to life's unanswerable questions (truly what religion attempts) then why is it a problem which needs to be fixed?

[chesterfield1989]

First, at the videos beginning, the idea of "same-gender attraction" being a common quality among people is unveiled. However, near the end of the piece, it is stated that such attraction may be fixed in the next life.

[chesterfield1989]

When I spoke with several of my friends, members of LDS, they told me that their stance on homosexuality placed those with "same-gender attraction" as sinful and curable, as if it were some disease. After watching the first part of your video, I do not feel the view has been changed in the slightest.

[chesterfield1989]

This video has truly saddened me. I am a heterosexual man who has several homosexual friends.  They are some of the strongest, happiest people that I have ever met. They are smart, kind, compassionate, full of goodness and willing to sacrifice their time and effort for the betterment of their community.

[chark16]

I just wanted to respond to your comments to let you know that the entire LDS community does not consider the homosexual population to be sinful and curable. I myself am LDS member and I have many homosexual, and bisexual friends as well as a transsexual sibling. I love them all and consider them to be wonderful people. I understand my church's view and why they hold it, but I still accept those with alternate lifestyles with no judgment or condemnation. I am sorry you have had to view this

[chark16]

video and I hope you will not judge us all to be narrow minded in this light nor bigoted.

[wetcollegeboy19]

Thank you for posting this video! I will admit I am a 24 year old current college student at BYU who struggles with same-gender attraction. I have never heard of your group before(Sunstone), but because of this posting I am interested in learning more. Thank you for what you have done here. I'm glad there are those who are uplifting, encouraging, and even understanding. I recomend the book "In Quiet Desperation" published by Deseret Book Co. for anyone else who is looking for help!